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22 Panels Episode #227 - Copra Round One · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:00
  Tyler Johnson: I'll get us rolling.
• 0:02
  Tyler Johnson: Hey everyone, welcome back to 22 Panels! It has been way too long for me. This is the podcast that aims to examine, explore, and elevate the medium of comics. I am Tyler, back after a little hiatus with my play that I was in, and across the interwebs.
• 0:21
  Tyler Johnson: our tag… Whoop!
• 0:24
  Phil: You start acting, and you're out of web fluid.
• 0:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 0:27
  Tyler Johnson: You couldn't hear… you couldn't hear it?
• 0:29
  Phil: That was, like, worse.
• 0:30
  Tad Eggleston: But that was, like, A, bad, and B, there are two of us, and you only made one thwip.
• 0:38
  Tyler Johnson: No.
• 0:39
  Phil: I'm gonna get away and kill your Uncle Ben now, Tyler, I'm sorry, that's just the rules of Spider-Man.
• 0:43
  Tyler Johnson: I will tell you, there were two thwips, maybe one of them wasn't on camera, and my beard… I got new earbuds in, so they may not be picking up the noise.
• 0:54
  Phil: They're not beard-friendly earbuds.
• 0:56
  Tyler Johnson: I don't know, I don't know, but anyway, let's try again.
• 1:00
  Tyler Johnson: Cross steer webs.
• 1:01
  Phil: Still one dot? That's okay.
• 1:02
  Tad Eggleston: Only one.
• 1:04
  Tyler Johnson: Really?
• 1:05
  Tad Eggleston: Wow.
• 1:06
  Tyler Johnson: I can't do it anymore.
• 1:08
  Phil: If you have an Uncle Ben, I feel bad for him.
• 1:11
  Tyler Johnson: Do not.
• 1:12
  Phil: Okay, good.
• 1:12
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, alright, guys.
• 1:14
  Tad Eggleston: Lucky for you that you have no Uncle Ben.
• 1:17
  Phil: Not anymore.
• 1:18
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, man, Tad and Phil, how's it going, guys?
• 1:22
  Phil: It's a… it's a weird sort of week.
• 1:25
  Tyler Johnson: Very weird.
• 1:26
  Tad Eggleston: I'm breathing.
• 1:27
  Tyler Johnson: Your breathing? That's true.
• 1:31
  Tyler Johnson: We are alive, that's good. We are… we have not been drafted to, head over to Iran.
• 1:38
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:38
  Tad Eggleston: Probably too old for that.
• 1:41
  Tyler Johnson: I don't know, Trump wants anybody and everybody.
• 1:43
  Phil: I mean…
• 1:44
  Tad Eggleston: Well, except Baron.
• 1:47
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, all that, yes, yes, yes.
• 1:50
  Tad Eggleston: He might, he might send Eric.
• 1:52
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 1:53
  Tyler Johnson: He's a pill. Before we get to that, though…
• 1:58
  Tad Eggleston: 3.
• 1:59
  Tyler Johnson: Yep. Before we get to that, a little bit of comic news. Chainsaw Man is ending this month.
• 2:08
  Tyler Johnson: I don't know if you guys heard about…
• 2:10
  Tyler Johnson: Chainsaw man calling it quits. Well, not calling it quits, he knew he was gonna end it.
• 2:15
  Tyler Johnson: But let me pull that up. My, my screen…
• 2:20
  Phil: It's one of those where I haven't… I've obviously know of Chainsaw Man, have not read it myself yet, but that's… that's probably gonna be the next thing I start, you know, just because, alright, you know…
• 2:31
  Tyler Johnson: It's really good.
• 2:32
  Phil: Yeah, the end is in sight, yeah.
• 2:33
  Tyler Johnson: So, okay, so it's written by Tetsuki Fujimoto, and they're gonna end with chapter number 232. I don't know how many volumes that is, though.
• 2:46
  Phil: It's at least… I mean, I have to imagine at least, like, 20.
• 2:49
  Phil: Probably. If not… if not way more than that.
• 2:52
  Tyler Johnson: Probably. So…
• 2:55
  Tyler Johnson: It's exciting. I mean, if you don't know anything about it, Phil, it's like… it's a dark fantasy set in the 90s, an alternate version of the 90s, and…
• 3:06
  Tyler Johnson: So he's gotta deal with this demon who can tran- you know, change his body parts into chainsaws?
• 3:13
  Phil: Yeah.
• 3:14
  Tyler Johnson: Fantastic.
• 3:15
  Tyler Johnson: Is one… yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's… so that's kind of funny.
• 3:18
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, moving on. Second piece of news that I found, you guys, is, Avengers Academy wins the GLAA Media Award for Outstanding Comic Book. So, at the 37th Annual GLAAD Media Awards, honoring the year's best LGBTQ representation.
• 3:35
  Tyler Johnson: Avengers Academy, Marvel Voices, won in the category of Outstanding Comic Book. This is a digital series that ran for 60 chapters from 24 to 25, and I'm trying to look for the creators here real quick. Namely…
• 3:53
  Tad Eggleston: You did write them down in the notes that are shared.
• 3:55
  Tyler Johnson: I did, but I did, but now I'm in… now I'm in the article, so…
• 4:00
  Tyler Johnson: Here, so anyway, his, friend…
• 4:02
  Tad Eggleston: Annie Oliveira and Carola Borelli.
• 4:06
  Phil: I'm sure there's more.
• 4:06
  Tyler Johnson: I was just about to go through them. So, like Tad said, Anthony Oliveira for a writer, guest writers Elsa Sunosen, artist Carola Borelli, Bailey Rosenlund, Pablo Kolar, Charles Stewart, Alti Furman Saya, and Ming Ku Young.
• 4:27
  Tyler Johnson: But yeah, it's really cool. I'm gonna go pick it up now. I wasn't reading it before, but I will be now.
• 4:34
  Tyler Johnson: I, I, I have, I have red… It's online.
• 4:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's, it's, it's one of the, the…
• 4:40
  Tyler Johnson: Now, pick it up. Read it.
• 4:41
  Tad Eggleston: Digital, yeah.
• 4:42
  Phil: The vertical scroll.
• 4:44
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, yep, yep.
• 4:46
  Tad Eggleston: So… so what kind of… we could spend. There's so much we could… we could talk about here, but I… I… I actually wanna…
• 4:55
  Tad Eggleston: I wanna… I wanna do a little bit of teaching and pose a question.
• 5:00
  Tad Eggleston: The teaching side is, like… and this really, really hit my head
• 5:08
  Tad Eggleston: So, I had a student, not even one of my students, a student in
• 5:14
  Tad Eggleston: a math class that another one of my students is in, that was… Super frustrated.
• 5:20
  Tad Eggleston: Because they weren't…
• 5:22
  Tad Eggleston: getting math, and they didn't feel like they were getting the help that they wanted, etc. So when my student went to try to help this student, I popped in, too. And, like.
• 5:34
  Tad Eggleston: first thing I noticed was, like, they had ChatGPT up to try to do their math for them, and I'm like.
• 5:40
  Tad Eggleston: ChatGPT doesn't do math well. It's not what it's designed for, it doesn't do calculations, like, this is the wrong tool.
• 5:48
  Phil: I actually have the programming explanation as to why, if you'd like that, but yeah.
• 5:53
  Phil: Yes!
• 5:54
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'll put it in layman's terms in a second, but go ahead and…
• 5:58
  Phil: So, the big thing… so, a large language model, when you're talking about computers, there's something called data types, which is how the computer can tell the difference between displaying 1 plus 1 and doing the calculation of 1 plus 1. So, all text is the data type of string, that's just how they're referring.
• 6:17
  Phil: There's a word for it.
• 6:18
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 6:18
  Phil: Numbers are… there's a few different types, there's integers or decimals, a few different types, one specifically for money. So, the large language model is only dealing with string and with text and with probability of outcomes, so it's not doing what computers were originally built for and designed to do, which is do math.
• 6:38
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 6:39
  Phil: Computer… compute.
• 6:41
  Phil: Math. Right.
• 6:42
  Phil: Right. So yes, they… they invent…
• 6:44
  Tad Eggleston: Or…
• 6:44
  Phil: that can't do maths.
• 6:46
  Tad Eggleston: or as a student who happened to be in the room when I was, like, venting to a couple of teachers,
• 6:54
  Tad Eggleston: about this incident.
• 6:57
  Tad Eggleston: said, ChatGPT is just a glorified Text Predictor.
• 7:05
  Phil: Yeah.
• 7:06
  Tyler Johnson: It's autocomplete. Yeah, correct.
• 7:07
  Phil: Autocomplete, off rails.
• 7:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's autocomplete on steroids.
• 7:12
  Tyler Johnson: There are better ones than ChatGPT for sure, but for math.
• 7:15
  Tad Eggleston: But they're still… no, no, but all of them are still glorified autocompleters.
• 7:19
  Phil: Yeah, it's just…
• 7:21
  Tad Eggleston: at least if they're large language models. Now, now, AI gets used
• 7:27
  Tad Eggleston: For a lot of different things.
• 7:28
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 7:29
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, to finish the story, like, I stepped this student through it step by step. They knew how to do it!
• 7:38
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 7:39
  Tad Eggleston: you know, when I was able to focus them and step them through it, they were… they were able to move forward, and…
• 7:47
  Tad Eggleston: But then they got a different answer than ChatGPT had.
• 7:51
  Phil: Oh, boy.
• 7:52
  Tad Eggleston: And I could not convince them to just open up the answer key and see that they were right, and ChatGPT was wrong.
• 8:01
  Phil: Oof. That's tough.
• 8:03
  Phil: That's really tough.
• 8:05
  Phil: I think that's happening more and more lately.
• 8:09
  Phil: Where, people are believing ChatGP.
• 8:12
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 8:13
  Phil: AI or computers.
• 8:14
  Tad Eggleston: her.
• 8:15
  Phil: Real life.
• 8:16
  Tad Eggleston: So, let's take this to… Iran.
• 8:22
  Tad Eggleston: And, and specifically the, the recent, hubbub
• 8:27
  Tad Eggleston: Regarding Claude and, and military use.
• 8:34
  Tad Eggleston: What part of a large language model?
• 8:38
  Tad Eggleston: It's gonna be effectively used to help you prosecute a war.
• 8:44
  Phil: Well, so… if I'm gonna be…
• 8:48
  Phil: honestly, kind of darkly, you know, serious here is that, I mean, Israel supposedly has been using AI for attempting to acquire targets in Palestine for years now.
• 8:59
  Phil: So, if that's what we're using it for, then it's a false justification to continue bombing things.
• 9:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… Sure.
• 9:12
  Phil: It's… it's your, you're asking for a list of targets that's never gonna run out.
• 9:16
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but, but, but, I mean, I'm gonna say that…
• 9:21
  Tad Eggleston: If we're using it that way, that's, like, the… arguably only… Quote, Big, huge air quotes.
• 9:32
  Tad Eggleston: Justifiable use for it?
• 9:35
  Tad Eggleston: Because, you know, it can't…
• 9:36
  Phil: Well, it's… Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 9:39
  Tad Eggleston: There is a specific point that I'm going here.
• 9:42
  Phil: Huh.
• 9:43
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 9:45
  Tad Eggleston: Phil, big air quotes, you don't have to argue with me about whether or not it's justifiable.
• 9:51
  Phil: That's fair. That's fair.
• 9:53
  Phil: That's fair. I did not hear your big air quotes.
• 9:56
  Tad Eggleston: I said big air quotes. I said the words, big air quotes.
• 10:01
  Phil: I'm sorry.
• 10:02
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't actually make them, because I was happy to have my, my, my, my…
• 10:06
  Tyler Johnson: And, Phil.
• 10:07
  Tad Eggleston: Listen to the words, Phil!
• 10:09
  Phil: I'm trying. I'm still drinking coffee, I'm trying.
• 10:16
  Tad Eggleston: that… I mean, if you understand the software, that's, like, the only possible true… because, like, I…
• 10:28
  Tad Eggleston: There's no good way to use it for strategy.
• 10:32
  Tad Eggleston: Even if you really thought it was designed that way, you'd have to be really damn certain that
• 10:42
  Tad Eggleston: You trained it on the right things.
• 10:46
  Tad Eggleston: Because if you're training it on the fucking internet, you would have, like, strategy from…
• 10:52
  Tad Eggleston: Every fanfic war novel ever written,
• 10:59
  Tad Eggleston: Given equal weight to, like, actual…
• 11:04
  Tad Eggleston: war game strategies, or real-life strategies that have worked or not worked, etc.
• 11:10
  Tad Eggleston: But I'm actually going somewhere way more specific and darker.
• 11:18
  Tad Eggleston: when… I talk about the targets.
• 11:24
  Tad Eggleston: We dropped not one, but two Tomahawk missiles on a fucking school.
• 11:28
  Phil: Yeah.
• 11:31
  Tad Eggleston: A school that used to be part of a military installation, that is still adjacent to a military installation.
• 11:39
  Tad Eggleston: Which means that if you were using a large language model software, and it was trained on the internet, there is a good… good chance that it would not understand that it wasn't anymore.
• 11:53
  Tyler Johnson: But it's decommissioned… yeah.
• 11:55
  Phil: Yeah.
• 11:56
  Tad Eggleston: Because it would have more old data saying A than new data saying B.
• 12:03
  Phil: Right. On top of… if it… I don't know how close it is to… a military.
• 12:10
  Tad Eggleston: It is close, I mean, it…
• 12:12
  Phil: Well, I'm saying.
• 12:13
  Tad Eggleston: Because…
• 12:14
  Phil: It's, it's proximity one.
• 12:15
  Tad Eggleston: The entire… yeah, the entire base wasn't decommissioned.
• 12:19
  Phil: Yeah.
• 12:21
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, they're playing this as…
• 12:28
  Tad Eggleston: Like, the people who are playing this most honestly…
• 12:34
  Tad Eggleston: Are playing this as we used old information.
• 12:38
  Phil: Oof.
• 12:39
  Tad Eggleston: and even they are acknowledging that, like, it could have been checked. You know, there are a lot of people talking about the office in the Pentagon that was specifically designed to try to avoid this sort of thing was one of the things that exists
• 12:55
  Tad Eggleston: shot down.
• 12:56
  Tad Eggleston: got rid of, that sort of thing.
• 13:03
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 13:09
  Tad Eggleston: I think that there's reason to wonder if it's deeper than that.
• 13:15
  Tad Eggleston: If we had a computer spit out a target based on faulty information.
• 13:20
  Tad Eggleston: And because we both fed it bad information.
• 13:27
  Tad Eggleston: Because we've just given it all of the information.
• 13:33
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, this is… this is the kind of mistake
• 13:39
  Tad Eggleston: that we should expect from AI.
• 13:41
  Phil: Yeah.
• 13:44
  Tad Eggleston: I think, yeah.
• 13:45
  Tad Eggleston: big, huge air quotes around AI.
• 13:50
  Phil: And…
• 13:50
  Tad Eggleston: like, when I talk… when I hear… when I hear, like, the amount of money that the military is putting into large language models to put to use, and I'm sitting there going.
• 14:03
  Tad Eggleston: What's the added value?
• 14:07
  Tad Eggleston: We've been doing wargames and good ones for a long time.
• 14:10
  Tad Eggleston: We… we have massive cyber…
• 14:13
  Tad Eggleston: defense and cyber offense programs. You think that if there were computer programs that could be written to help us execute a war
• 14:23
  Tad Eggleston: better, they wouldn't have been written by the U.S. military and intelligence apparatus.
• 14:29
  Tad Eggleston: Already? You think we have to go to fucking Elon Musk?
• 14:35
  Phil: Yeah, I mean, that's… that's… that's actually… speaking of Elon Musk, I think he's… Probably one of the… well…
• 14:44
  Phil: So what I'm thinking of this in terms of is that, to me, this is… this is now Silicon Valley slash, you know, tech companies
• 14:52
  Phil: taking a step towards merging with the military-industrial complex. They're…
• 14:57
  Tad Eggleston: Not a step!
• 14:59
  Phil: A dive, a deep dive into the deep end of it, but it's… it's…
• 15:04
  Tad Eggleston: Also, not a… like, the deep dive?
• 15:06
  Phil: Yeah.
• 15:07
  Tad Eggleston: Already happened.
• 15:08
  Phil: Okay.
• 15:10
  Phil: So, what, how would you.
• 15:11
  Tad Eggleston: This is the…
• 15:12
  Phil: I guess.
• 15:12
  Tad Eggleston: I would phrase it as, there is no difference.
• 15:18
  Tad Eggleston: Between Silicon Valley.
• 15:20
  Tad Eggleston: the military-industrial complex.
• 15:23
  Tad Eggleston: They have become a part of it. That's what they bought when they bought their president.
• 15:29
  Phil: Gotcha, yeah.
• 15:30
  Phil: Yeah, I could see that. Ed, but it's… and it's… Yeah, it's terrifying, honestly.
• 15:36
  Tad Eggleston: And… and, like… Right now… The results are… 175 schoolchildren.
• 15:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 15:48
  Tad Eggleston: Though, I feel like we've had more friendly fire accidents than I'm used to, too.
• 15:53
  Tyler Johnson: No kidding.
• 15:57
  Phil: Yeah, I think it's…
• 15:58
  Tad Eggleston: We've had American-made missile defense systems shoot down American planes.
• 16:04
  Phil: It's beyond fucked up.
• 16:11
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it's been the, the…
• 16:14
  Tad Eggleston: you know, go back and read… Spencer Ackerman's been on top of this forever.
• 16:19
  Tad Eggleston: He didn't specifically write about what I just brought up, you know, this is purely my speculation.
• 16:26
  Tad Eggleston: But, like… the amount of AI investment… in… Palestinian genocide is ridiculous.
• 16:39
  Phil: Yeah.
• 16:40
  Tad Eggleston: You know, that's their proving ground.
• 16:43
  Tad Eggleston: Proving, again, with a big… Huge air quotes around it, because, like…
• 16:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they've probably knocked out the Hamas infrastructure, but, like…
• 17:00
  Tad Eggleston: Only because, there's almost nothing still standing.
• 17:04
  Phil: Yeah.
• 17:05
  Tad Eggleston: in Gaza.
• 17:07
  Tyler Johnson: Right?
• 17:09
  Tyler Johnson: Nope.
• 17:10
  Tad Eggleston: So, like… Rather than having these, these, like, stories about…
• 17:19
  Tad Eggleston: oh, this AI company took a stand, or that one didn't blah blah blah, like…
• 17:25
  Phil: Hmm.
• 17:26
  Tad Eggleston: Can we really talk about what AI is?
• 17:30
  Tad Eggleston: Whether or not it's currently appropriate for military use.
• 17:36
  Tad Eggleston: And most importantly, does the military Know how to use it.
• 17:45
  Phil: I mean, I think it's clear that.
• 17:48
  Tad Eggleston: Because I certainly don't trust that Pete Hegseth would.
• 17:50
  Phil: No, I mean, I would… I would leap straight to the argument that I don't think there is a good way to use it, and…
• 17:58
  Tad Eggleston: But, I mean…
• 17:59
  Phil: And because of that, because of that…
• 18:00
  Tad Eggleston: But, but, but…
• 18:01
  Phil: I don't know how to use it.
• 18:03
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, I mean, this is where… this is where I gotta say, like, take off your Pollyanna glasses.
• 18:09
  Tad Eggleston: Pollyanna?
• 18:10
  Tad Eggleston: You can't…
• 18:15
  Tad Eggleston: The only way you win the…
• 18:19
  Tad Eggleston: There isn't a good way to use it.
• 18:22
  Tad Eggleston: Is if you get them engaged in the argument, and they show you that there's not a good way to use it.
• 18:30
  Phil: Okay.
• 18:30
  Tad Eggleston: Until then, you're just being the… the, oh, you just…
• 18:35
  Tyler Johnson: It's a stick in the mud, yeah.
• 18:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you're the wuss that doesn't have the guts to do what needs to be done, blah blah blah. No.
• 18:45
  Tyler Johnson: They blow up a school with a hundred and so many…
• 18:49
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 18:49
  Phil: is that I think that people who would be of that mindset already, I don't know if they can be convinced.
• 18:55
  Tyler Johnson: No, they can't.
• 18:56
  Tad Eggleston: I understand, which is why they need to be in front of Congress, they need to be in front of everybody.
• 19:03
  Tad Eggleston: Explaining what they think they're accomplishing.
• 19:09
  Tad Eggleston: Because that's the only way they can be held accountable.
• 19:15
  Phil: Well, and that's… that's, quite frankly, another thing I worry, is the ability to… to bring accountability to these people.
• 19:22
  Tad Eggleston: oh, that's a huge issue, but that's why it needs to be the focus. Just saying…
• 19:29
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like, again, Anybody who understands AI at all.
• 19:36
  Tad Eggleston: Or, again, what we currently call AI, which is so far away from true artificial intelligence that it's not even funny.
• 19:46
  Phil: Sure. Yeah.
• 19:48
  Tyler Johnson: We're in the baby stages right now.
• 19:51
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we were in the baby stages in the 50s.
• 19:53
  Phil: Yeah.
• 19:55
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, guys, let's get… let's move on to comic books. I… I, have to get going in about an hour, so we should get rolling.
• 20:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 20:04
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, well…
• 20:06
  Tad Eggleston: Some new-to-order books.
• 20:08
  Tyler Johnson: Straight up new to order. Listen, this first one is near and dear to my heart. My son…
• 20:13
  Tyler Johnson: Loved this show, when it was on Comedy, Network, or Cartoon Network, excuse me. This is Ben 10.
• 20:22
  Tyler Johnson: From Joe Casey and Robert Carey. A fresh take on a 21st century classic, fan favorite Ben 10 returns in an all-new series that will appeal to longtime fans and new readers alike.
• 20:36
  Tyler Johnson: When a mysterious meteor crashes to Earth, 10-year-old Ben Tennyson discovers the Omnitrix.
• 20:42
  Tyler Johnson: High-tech alien gauntlet of incredible power and potential.
• 20:46
  Tyler Johnson: With this device on his wrist, Ben has the power to transform into incredible alien forms, but can he control the power? This looks like it's gonna be a final order cutoff of April 13th, and will be in shops on May 6th.
• 21:03
  Tyler Johnson: From… who is it? Who put this out? I…
• 21:06
  Tad Eggleston: Dynamite.
• 21:07
  Tyler Johnson: Dynamite.
• 21:09
  Tyler Johnson: Cool.
• 21:12
  Phil: Next up, we've got… that was… that was me, sorry.
• 21:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I expected it to be Tyler.
• 21:18
  Phil: Concrete stars over sand, number one, from Paul Chadwick and Dark Horse. The Isa Harvey and Rubin Award-winning Concrete is back with a five-part story of amnesia, wilderness, and suspense. Concrete has entered the desert and not come back. Larry and Maureen are frantic. Reports come that he is wandering the nearby arid mountains, covered with blood, attacking people.
• 21:41
  Phil: Concrete, lightning struck, confused. Rome's a frightening world he can't understand. Roars tear across the sky. A strange globe rises. His body is sheathed in stone. He thinks he is being hunted. People are a threat.
• 21:54
  Phil: His journey back to life and his friend's dire search against a looming deadline is as strange and tense as any concrete story ever told.
• 22:02
  Phil: First new one in 20 years. This is coming back again from writer-artist Paul Chadwick and Dark Horse. It's gonna have a final order cutoff of May 11th in stores June 17th.
• 22:18
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome. I'm very excited for that.
• 22:22
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, Hank Howard? Who's got that one? Hank?
• 22:25
  Tad Eggleston: Howard?
• 22:26
  Tad Eggleston: Pizza Detective.
• 22:27
  Tad Eggleston: A Slice of Life from Robert Venditti and David Lapham.
• 22:34
  Tad Eggleston: Striking new vision.
• 22:36
  Tad Eggleston: In the fight against crime, Hank Howard is back in the one place he thought he'd finally left behind, his hometown of Tampa. But unfortunately for Hank, pizza crime doesn't take a vacation.
• 22:48
  Tad Eggleston: Before he knows it, he's knee-deep in his first homicide case, facing down lawyers, locking lips with a long-lost flame, punching pirates, and dodging bullets as he races against time to solve his first-ever homicide case.
• 23:01
  Tad Eggleston: Final letter cutoff is April 6th in stores on May 6th from… Bad idea.
• 23:09
  Tyler Johnson: Hey, can I ask a question about Pizza Detective? Has this been a long-going series? Because I just picked up a recent new run of it. Is that the beginning of it, or… because I just started reading it.
• 23:23
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 23:26
  Tyler Johnson: What's the, like, what's the history behind Pizza Detective?
• 23:30
  Tad Eggleston: There's wolf.
• 23:31
  Phil: view… before.
• 23:33
  Tad Eggleston: there were… well, I think there's only been one two-issue series that came Out on its own.
• 23:41
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 23:42
  Tad Eggleston: to stores. But, it had been… Backup stories in…
• 23:49
  Tad Eggleston: A few other books, and then it was one of the first
• 23:54
  Tad Eggleston: Bad Idea Kickstarters, so there's a nice hardcover with a lot of these. So I've, like, actually read all of these, because they were released as part of the Kickstarter.
• 24:08
  Tad Eggleston: But now they're doing them as single issues with…
• 24:12
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, okay.
• 24:12
  Tad Eggleston: covers and stuff.
• 24:14
  Tyler Johnson: Because I really enjoyed the two issues that I've gotten so far.
• 24:18
  Tyler Johnson: And then, yeah, then I saw this. I'm like, oh, cool.
• 24:22
  Tad Eggleston: Damn.
• 24:24
  Tad Eggleston: So, alright.
• 24:27
  Tyler Johnson: Alright.
• 24:27
  Tad Eggleston: Tyler, you want to give us the double helmet shot?
• 24:30
  Tyler Johnson: Double Hellboy! Hellboy and the BPRD, The Monster of Navolo. This is a one-shot from Mike Mignola, Christopher Golden, and Danielle Serra. Rumors of a monster bring Hellboy to a nearly abandoned town in Sardinia, where the search for the creature leads to a local abbey with a shocking secret of its own.
• 24:49
  Tyler Johnson: Writer Christopher Golden and artist Danielle Serra join Mike Mignola in exploring the meaning of true monstrosity in this standalone Hellboy one-shot. This is gonna be, final order cutoff of May 18th, and will be in stores June 24th from Dark Horse.
• 25:06
  Tyler Johnson: So now I'm gonna jump over to Hellboy in Love, Obsidian number 1. This is Mike Vignola, Christopher Golden, and Alex Niedo from Dark Horse. Anastasia is called to Crete when an excavation team unearths a tomb with striking similarities
• 25:23
  Tyler Johnson: to engrave skulls stolen from her by a witch in India.
• 25:27
  Tyler Johnson: The trail for proof of the mysterious Soren Artea society may not have gone as cold as she thought.
• 25:34
  Tyler Johnson: But danger still lurks behind every turn. This is gonna be in shops May 11th, or excuse me, final order cutoff May 11th, and in shops June 17th.
• 25:49
  Phil: Alright, next up we've got If Destruction Be Our Lot No. 1 from Matthew Rosenberg, and Mark Elijah Rosenberg, art by Andy McDonald and Francesco Segala. Series premiere, humanity is extinct, and all that remains are the robots who once helped us. The robots who once helped us are now hap… are happier now, doing their work without human interference. But not Abe.
• 26:13
  Phil: He believes there must be something more out there. After nearly getting killed, he's determined to wander the Earth until he finds it, or it gets recycled tribe. Brilliant artists Annie McDonald, and adequate writers Mark Elijah Rosenberg and Matt.
• 26:27
  Tyler Johnson: Android writers?
• 26:28
  Phil: Huh.
• 26:29
  Tyler Johnson: Is that what it says?
• 26:30
  Phil: And brilliant artists, adequate writers, bring you an ongoing sci-fi adventure about finding purpose, holding onto hope, and really lonely robots. It's gonna have a final order cutoff of April 13th.
• 26:43
  Phil: in stores, May 6th from Image Comics. Yeah, I wouldn't throw that shade, it was in the solicit, I swear.
• 26:52
  Tyler Johnson: That is funny that it actually says that. It is, yeah.
• 26:56
  Tad Eggleston: That just means Matthew wrote his own solicit copy, you know that. Yep, yep, yep.
• 27:01
  Tad Eggleston: Skate Ali number 1.
• 27:04
  Tad Eggleston: from… Sam Humphreys, Kelly Sudaconic, and Natasha Bustos.
• 27:11
  Tad Eggleston: Welcome to Near Future Los Angeles, a neon-scorched city where skateboarding has been ruthlessly outlawed, but nothing stops Skate Ali.
• 27:20
  Tad Eggleston: By day, she's just another student, dodging detention. By night, she's a rebel on wheels, an enigmatic loner defying the law on the Los Angeles streets. But when Ali slams headfirst into the infamous world of underground skateboarding, she comes face to face with a crew of outcast skaters called LA Skull Clan and their masked leader, Skull Coin 9.
• 27:44
  Tad Eggleston: Fueled by a magical force called the Rush, the clan pulls off explosive moves and defiant acts of resistance. Faced with the opportunity of leveling up her game, but afraid of actually being perceived by others.
• 27:56
  Tad Eggleston: Ali must decide, will she play it safe, or kickflip straight into a revolution?
• 28:02
  Tad Eggleston: This is a final order cut off of May 4th, and in stores on June 10th, and just looks amazing!
• 28:12
  Tad Eggleston: So, let's talk some graphic novels!
• 28:16
  Phil: Alright, first up, this one, was previously offered through other distributors, but it looks so good, we wanted to mention there's a new printing coming out, which is Barking by Lucy Sullivan. Loopy, cuckoo, start raving.
• 28:30
  Phil: When the depression and grief Alex feels over the death of her friend overwhelm her, she's institutionalized. But inside a psychiatric ward, things don't get better for her. Now she has nowhere to get away from her rapidly spiraling thoughts. As Alex navigates
• 28:45
  Phil: disintegrated.
• 28:47
  Phil: or disinterested attendance, group therapy, and isolation, she must build herself a new equilibrium and tame the black dog of her depression. Inspired by her own struggles with mental health, Lucy Sullivan tells a powerful, emotional story about the problems that sometimes overwhelm us all, and the failures in the mental health system we depend on. I can have a final order cutoff of April 6th in stores May 6th.
• 29:10
  Phil: This one from Avery, I don't remember who it was originally, I think it had a Zoop, funding campaign, but yeah, looks great.
• 29:18
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think it did. I think Avery Hill…
• 29:23
  Phil: Was the whole time?
• 29:23
  Tad Eggleston: Outright, but I don't remember.
• 29:32
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, Everglade from Carlos Gonzalez.
• 29:34
  Tad Eggleston: Lied.
• 29:36
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 29:37
  Tyler Johnson: slide.
• 29:37
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, yep, Everglide, sorry.
• 29:40
  Tyler Johnson: Feel the groping confusion of heroes and villains alike as they navigate a detached and smog-ridden future propagated by countless vapid hologram simulations. When a middle-aged alcoholic stumbles upon a council that jacks him into a long, shuttered digital swampscape.
• 30:00
  Tyler Johnson: He sees a fragment of beauty in a vast bog of unknowns. Will he be able to hold onto it, or be engulfed in chaos? You'll be able to smell the burning ozone and hear the low-level hum of advanced cybermedics.
• 30:15
  Tyler Johnson: cybernetics when you read Carlos Gonzalez's mind-bending cyberpunk saga Everglide. This is gonna be Final Order Craft of March 30th, and will be in shops June 24th from Floating World.
• 30:32
  Tad Eggleston: The Odyssey Graphic Novel Deluxe Edition from Gareth Hines. Bold imagery and an ear tuned to the music of Homer's epic poem, award-winning graphic artist Gareth Hines reinterprets the ancient classic as has never been told before.
• 30:49
  Tad Eggleston: Fresh from the triumphs of the Trojan War, Odysseus, king of Ithaca, wants nothing more than to return home to his family. Instead, he offends the sea god, Poseidon, who dooms him to years of shipwreck and wandering, battling man-eating monsters, violent storms, and the supernational seductions of sirens and sorceresses.
• 31:09
  Tad Eggleston: Odyssey, Odysseus will need all his strength and cunning and a little help from Mount Olympus to make his way home and seize his kingdom from the schemers who seek to wed his queen and usurp his throne.
• 31:21
  Tad Eggleston: Gareth Hines masterfully reinterprets a story of heroism, adventure, and high action that has been told and retold for more than 2,500 years.
• 31:31
  Tad Eggleston: This is in stores on May 12th, with a final order cutoff of April 13th.
• 31:41
  Tad Eggleston: from Candlewick.
• 31:47
  Tyler Johnson: or calls.
• 31:48
  Tyler Johnson: Who's got oracles? Me!
• 31:50
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 31:53
  Tyler Johnson: Oracles from Olivia Sullivan. When the everyday becomes overwhelming, our protagonist begins to travel through the world to find wonder in a true escape, and to discover more about themself.
• 32:06
  Tyler Johnson: As they navigate through the forest, the ocean, the desert, and the mountains in a trip of peace, turmoil, and reflection, the narrator encounters mushrooms, sage creatures, whirlpools, and learns more about themselves in the process. With gorgeous art and lyrical contemplative texts, this graphic novel is a passage from uncertainty to joy and understanding.
• 32:28
  Tyler Johnson: This is out from Avery, and was… has a fire order cut off of April 6th, and will be in shops on May 6th.
• 32:41
  Tad Eggleston: Physical Education by Joanna Mosey. Portrait of Creative Stagnation, Digital Saturation, and the Strange Sideways Momentum of Postmodern Life.
• 32:50
  Tad Eggleston: Laura has just received a prestigious grant to write her debut novel, and everyone around her agrees that things seem to finally be falling into place for her. Instead, she finds herself increasingly numb and detached from reality, half-heartedly meeting up with friends at the gym, struggling to fulfill her role as daughter.
• 33:07
  Tad Eggleston: and managing an abstract relationship with a married man. Haunted by lingering memories of a toxic youth she can't escape, Laura is stuck in a strange limbo, unable to draw a cohesive plot for her life, her hopes, or her futures. Wry, elliptical, and intimate physical education.
• 33:25
  Tad Eggleston: Perfectly captures the quiet absurdities of the algorithmic age, and the familiar ways in which we scroll, strive, sweat, and stall our way through the world.
• 33:35
  Tad Eggleston: A smart, emotionally resonant work for readers of Jillian Tamaki's Moundless and the Heart Tomorrow by Eleanor Davis. The first ever graphic novel to be a National Illustration Award of Pulture Girls
• 33:46
  Tad Eggleston: highlighted book.
• 33:48
  Tad Eggleston: This is from Pow Pow.
• 33:51
  Tad Eggleston: And has a final order cutoff of March 30th, and an in-store date of April 6th.
• 34:02
  Phil: Next up is Two Sons from Carlos Gifoni and Juan Doe. Two Suns follows a scientist suffering from amnesia who wakes in a wild alien world and struggles to survive its perilous environment as returning memories reveal the wicked actions that led him there.
• 34:19
  Phil: Join Giovanni on his adventures exploring an alien island full of mind-bending wildlife as he slowly recaptures vivid memories of his dying home planet, love and heartbreak.
• 34:29
  Phil: Giovanni attempts to escape this colorful nightmare and erase the biggest mistake of his life after an unexpected twist of events shatters his perception of reality, revealing how he ended up trapped on this strange planet and everything he left behind. Finally, we're at a cutoff of March 30th, in stores, May 20th from Rebellion?
• 34:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 34:51
  Tad Eggleston: Rocket.
• 34:53
  Phil: It says rocket ship on the…
• 34:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh yeah, Rocket Ship Entertainment, you're right.
• 34:56
  Phil: Rocket Ship Entertainment, whew, that was.
• 34:57
  Tad Eggleston: I know.
• 35:00
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, some collections.
• 35:03
  Phil: Alright, that's, Captain Henry and the Graveyard of Time from Mike McNula and Bruce Zick.
• 35:10
  Phil: Explore the new corner of the Hellboy universe in this time-traveling tale to another dimension. On the dark night in 1880s England, the ever-adventurous Whittier family, along with Edward Gray, are attempting to send a man into the realm between reality and the beyond, to free the trapped spirit of a Whittier uncle.
• 35:29
  Phil: But his expedition into space and time will take him to places beyond even the Witchfinder's knowledge. Captain Henry in the Graveyard of Time follows an intrepid time-traveling explorer on a journey into a new dimension. He soon discovers that the monsters he encounters aren't his only problem, as time itself might be an even greater
• 35:47
  Phil: danger. This one collects
• 35:50
  Phil: Captain Henry at Graveyard of Time number 1 through 4, along with bonus materials from Dark Horse, with a final order cutoff of April 20th in stores July 21st.
• 36:05
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, Devil on My Shoulders from Kyle Starks and Peter Powalski. Ted, can you scroll down a little bit? Thank you. Alright. Something terrible has happened. For 40 days, she was tortured by 5 men and left for dead. But she will get her revenge, and each and every one of them.
• 36:23
  Tyler Johnson: And it will be bloody, and events that takes her on a strange and violent supernatural path of payback through bizarre encounters with an ex-hitman, sadistic art enthusiast, and literal devils.
• 36:36
  Tyler Johnson: A new Dark Humor four-issue series from the creators of Where Monsters Lie, Karl Starks, and Peter Kowalski that's perfect for fans of The Crow, and revenge horror and violent, well-deserved retribution.
• 36:50
  Tyler Johnson: This is, from Dark Horse, final order cutoff of April 13th, and will be in shops July 14th.
• 37:00
  Tad Eggleston: Galaxy of Madness Omnibus. In the far-flung.
• 37:04
  Tad Eggleston: thrilling future of the 41st century and on the other side of the galaxy, a swashbuckling space archaeologist, Vigil Virgo, is on the cusp of learning a universe-shattering secret in this four-collar fantasy.
• 37:20
  Tad Eggleston: But, she'll have to dive into the abyss where no human was ever meant to go. To do it.
• 37:27
  Tad Eggleston: The question is, what happens when she emerges from the other side? This is written by Magdalene Versaggio, with art by Michael Avon Owing and Victor Santos, coming out from Mad Cave, with the final order cutoff of April 13th, in stores on May 6th.
• 37:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that one looks great.
• 37:51
  Phil: really good.
• 37:52
  Tad Eggleston: Who… who wants to, who wants to go through the final order cutoffs? Final order cut.
• 37:58
  Phil: Okay.
• 38:00
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, final order cutoffs for this week, March 20… of March 23rd. Avatar The Last Airbender, the Kyoshi Warriors, number 1. Ted, do you read the creators as well?
• 38:12
  Tad Eggleston: I do.
• 38:13
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, from Brendan Hong and Bill Bessa from Dark Horse.
• 38:18
  Tyler Johnson: Blood Squad 7…
• 38:20
  Tad Eggleston: I also generally say the day that it's coming out.
• 38:23
  Tyler Johnson: May 6th for, Avatar. Blood Squad 7 yearbook, number 1 from Joe Casey and Paul Fry from Image will be in stores April 15th.
• 38:33
  Tyler Johnson: Brownfield Action Family will be, from Ted May from Uncivilized on April 27th.
• 38:40
  Tyler Johnson: Civil War Unmasked from Christos Gage and Edgar Salazar from Marvel on May 6th. Corpse Night from Michael Chavez and Matthew Roberts and Rico Renzi from Image on April 22nd.
• 38:58
  Tyler Johnson: Fireborne from Kurt Pires and Franklin Jonas and Patrick Mulholland, from Image on April 15th. Excuse me, I'm losing my voice. Let me take a drink.
• 39:08
  Tyler Johnson: Next one, Fall of the House of Slaughter from Tate Brombell and Adriano Tort… Turtulichi.
• 39:15
  Tyler Johnson: On Boom from April 15th.
• 39:20
  Tyler Johnson: I'm skewed, excuse me, yeah, April… I skipped lines.
• 39:24
  Tyler Johnson: That is boom from on May 6th.
• 39:28
  Tyler Johnson: Hellboy in Love, Black Eyes, from Mike Mignola and Christopher Golden from Dark Horse on April 29th.
• 39:35
  Tyler Johnson: Lenore, Muffin Else Matter, from Roman Dirge on Titan, that'll be April 15th. And Star Wars Galaxy's Edge, Echoes of the Empire, from Ethan Sachs, Jethro Morales, on Marvel… from Marvel on April 22nd.
• 39:54
  Tad Eggleston: Hey, Phil, you wanna give us crowdfunding?
• 39:56
  Phil: Yeah, crowdfunding! First up, we've got Weird Tales, a graphic novel of bizarre and unusual stories from James Equilion on Kickstarter through March 18th, the hectic Love Lives of the mythical
• 40:09
  Phil: with artists, Laura Helsby, Jaws Stone, Felhound, Jonah Walker, Len Gogos, Matt H. Taylor. That's gonna be on Backer Kit through March 21st. Even the Stars Will Fall, number one, from Flory…
• 40:21
  Phil: Polarion.
• 40:23
  Phil: Akin Made and Bimpei Aliu, and Hassan Atzmin El-Hau on Kickstarter through March 25th. So buttons, who's my daddy and what does he do? From Jonathan Bayliss on Kickstarter through March 28th, Action Philosophers, Modernity Bites by Fred Van Lenti and Ryan Dunleavy over at Rocket Ship Entertainment on Kickstarter through April 9th.
• 40:47
  Phil: Junji Ito's In Old Records, a horror drama on vinyl, from Ryan Katie.
• 40:55
  Phil: Poppy00 Enterprises on Kickstarter through April 11th.
• 41:00
  Tad Eggleston: This is actually an audio version of a Junji Ito short story.
• 41:04
  Tad Eggleston: on vinyl.
• 41:06
  Phil: That's really cool.
• 41:06
  Tyler Johnson: Really?
• 41:07
  Tad Eggleston: That's pretty awesome, that's cool. Adapted by Ryan Katie, who's a hell of a comic book writer in his own right.
• 41:13
  Phil: Nice. That, yeah, that, that does sound… that sounds really cool and very special.
• 41:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 41:18
  Phil: The Monster of Blackenstein, not to be confused with Blackenstein, spelled differently, by David Walker and Marcelo Di Chiara on Kickstarter through April 13th.
• 41:30
  Phil: And then Dan Dare, First Contact, by Alex DeCampi and Mark Lamming, with B7 Comics on Kickstarter through April 22nd. Go listen to our conversation, our recent conversation with Alex, where we touch on that and a bunch of other cool stuff. Ted, do you feel like reading the Humble Bundles?
• 41:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I got the Humble Bundles.
• 41:49
  Phil: Alrighty.
• 41:50
  Tad Eggleston: bundles. We've got Terry Pratchett's Discworld, $16 for 36 novels. For the HFC, Care for Families Impacted by Alzheimer's has been extended to March 16th.
• 42:01
  Tad Eggleston: Indie Comics Bundle, I feel like this one got extended too, because I don't think it's…
• 42:07
  Tad Eggleston: Dead already, yeah, 5 days left, so… Okay. So, it's been…
• 42:13
  Phil: through my…
• 42:13
  Tad Eggleston: Extended to March 19th, yeah.
• 42:16
  Tad Eggleston: Indie Comics Bundle.
• 42:19
  Tad Eggleston: a super bundle of awesome stuff, $18 for 60 items to support the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, as we just…
• 42:28
  Tad Eggleston: Discussed, extended to March.
• 42:30
  Tad Eggleston: 19th?
• 42:32
  Tad Eggleston: Ultimate Top Cow Science Fiction and Fantasy Comics, I'm almost certain that this one got extended, too. Thankfully I have the Humble Bundle still up.
• 42:43
  Tad Eggleston: 18 items for $41.
• 42:46
  Tad Eggleston: are $18.41 items for the Book Industry Charitable Foundation.
• 42:55
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe it didn't get extended. Oh, no, there it is. Yeah, no, it didn't get extended, so by the time you're listening to this, unless it gets extended, it might be too late for that, because it's down to 4 hours and 32 minutes on the clock. So, Tyler or Phil, if you wanted that Top Cow Bundle, you should,
• 43:15
  Tad Eggleston: You should be looking at it right now.
• 43:20
  Tad Eggleston: Dive into Vertico, $18 for 26 items, also for the Book Industry Charitable Foundation through March 20th.
• 43:28
  Tad Eggleston: Hero Test, Power Zines and Lit for Microcosm Publishing, $18 for 38 items to support the ACLU through March 20th.
• 43:38
  Tad Eggleston: Lovin' rockets and more, the collected Hernandez brothers from Fana Graphics. $18 for 57 items, also supporting the ACLU through March 26th.
• 43:49
  Tad Eggleston: The EC Resurrection Bundle, $18 for 39 issues. This is all new One EC stuff. Also, er, for the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund through March 31st, and The Art of Alex Ross, George Perez, and more from Dynamite Entertainment. It's,
• 44:08
  Tad Eggleston: $18 for 35 art books, also supporting the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund through April 2nd.
• 44:16
  Tad Eggleston: We had a really good week of comics this week, my three amazing books, were actually made
• 44:23
  Tad Eggleston: easier only by the fact that I didn't actually manage to read half of the ones that I was
• 44:29
  Tad Eggleston: worried about being in the top spot. I'm not certain that I read any of the ones that were… were among my… my three that I hoped would be spectacular.
• 44:41
  Tad Eggleston: just because of the way… way time worked out this week. So… so I have… I have 3 more books that I'm looking forward to reading today.
• 44:49
  Tad Eggleston: Nice. That's always a good point.
• 44:51
  Tad Eggleston: But the winners, and I completely neglected to put down, you know.
• 44:57
  Phil: grade 15.
• 44:58
  Tad Eggleston: creative teams, The winners were Godzilla vs. America Portland, Caitlin Yersky was involved in that,
• 45:07
  Tad Eggleston: Colleen Coover was involved in that, a few other people. This one goes right up there with Chicago and LA for my favorite. Though Boston was also good, you can never, never turn away one that's got Jesse Longergan.
• 45:24
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 45:24
  Tad Eggleston: This is no offense to Kansas City, Kansas City was a solid outing, but, like.
• 45:29
  Phil: Which one had Carolyn Cash do a story?
• 45:31
  Tad Eggleston: That was Chicago.
• 45:32
  Phil: Okay, okay.
• 45:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Chicago had Carolyn Cash and Ezra Clayton Daniel, and LA had Dave Baker, and Boston had…
• 45:43
  Tad Eggleston: Jesse Lonergan, like.
• 45:45
  Phil: Wow. Yeah.
• 45:47
  Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, Kansas City's extremely solid, really good effort, just…
• 45:54
  Phil: I mean, I couldn't… I mean…
• 45:56
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, it was something.
• 45:57
  Phil: Fantastic.
• 45:57
  Tad Eggleston: They are all fantastic, but essentially, like, the only knock on Kansas City is that it's a really amazing Godzilla comic book, rather than, like, having any part of it that, like.
• 46:13
  Tad Eggleston: Breaks the bounds of what people normally think.
• 46:17
  Tad Eggleston: About what they think comics.
• 46:20
  Phil: a great Godzilla story.
• 46:21
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 46:26
  Tad Eggleston: Exorcism at Buckingham Palace is the new Hannah Rose May, and let me look up the artist really quick, because the art was fantastic.
• 46:38
  Phil: Hmm.
• 46:39
  Phil: That sounds really fascinating, just from a.
• 46:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's… it's…
• 46:43
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I can't say for certain that it's a sequel sequel to Her Exorcism at 1600 Penn.
• 46:50
  Phil: This is also…
• 46:51
  Tad Eggleston: Really good.
• 46:52
  Tyler Johnson: It is not… it is not a sequel, but, I mean, it's in that same vein that…
• 46:56
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 46:57
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 46:58
  Tad Eggleston: But Exorcism of 1600 pen was also… fantastic. Extracenticism at Buckingham Palace… Hannah Rosemay, and…
• 47:26
  Tad Eggleston: Of course, we're, we're…
• 47:28
  Phil: Ew.
• 47:30
  Tad Eggleston: When are you gonna tell us about the damn artist? It does look. Oh, there we go.
• 47:34
  Phil: Like, solid art, that's for sure. It's… it's from IDW, so if we're… Me too.
• 47:39
  Tad Eggleston: Ramsey… what's the first name?
• 47:45
  Tad Eggleston: Because we just… Let me just… I've seen care.
• 47:49
  Phil: Enter names before this, but…
• 47:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but I just… I just saw the last name re… referred to, like, like, the full… Kelsey Ramsey.
• 48:00
  Phil: Okay.
• 48:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, damn.
• 48:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, it was, it was, it was, like, everything you want, in a first issue, as was Tigers Island number one from Patrick Kindlin and EPHK from Image.
• 48:16
  Tyler Johnson: I have that in… I have that in my pile. The cover with the… with those blank faces looks really interesting.
• 48:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 48:24
  Tyler Johnson: It's, it's okay.
• 48:25
  Tyler Johnson: How do you read it.
• 48:26
  Phil: That one looks pretty good to me, too. I actually just checked it out on Hoopla, so, yeah, I'm gonna give that one a read.
• 48:31
  Tad Eggleston: It's good stuff.
• 48:32
  Phil: Nice.
• 48:33
  Tad Eggleston: So… Phil, take a walk.
• 48:35
  Phil: Oh yeah, I, I did get to Die Loaded No. 5 on release day, and it was a really great issue. So much tension.
• 48:46
  Phil: With the… the story of this one. An absolutely incredible
• 48:52
  Phil: layouts from Stephanie Hans that was supposedly unasked for, she just went for it, which makes it even cooler, in my opinion. Yeah, I am gonna be… I am gonna… I am definitely chomping at the bit a little bit for the conclusion of this arc, and figuring out who the rest of the party is at this point. Or the last member, I guess, because we… yeah, there's just one more… one more to go.
• 49:16
  Phil: And, yeah, it's absolutely thrilling. I read a lot of Blue Period this week, which both has me thinking about art and, like.
• 49:25
  Phil: wanting to think and talk about art more than anything else going on at, you know, in the world, or at my job, or anything like that. And it just, it feels really good to be, like.
• 49:39
  Phil: plugged in and, really flying through a series. Like, I mean, I… I read… this is… this is a similar pace that I read From Hell at, you know, of… of just, here's a big book, and I'm reading it
• 49:52
  Phil: continuously, pretty much all at once. I've been, yeah, it's been a while since I've had, like, a long comic series that is completely new to me, to just…
• 50:01
  Phil: just dive into, and it's been… it's been wonderful. Yeah. Just de-screening a little bit, yeah, you know.
• 50:08
  Phil: All those sorts of things. And with that, Ted, did you… did… you're still… you're still,
• 50:14
  Tad Eggleston: It'll be calms.
• 50:15
  Phil: It's… it's… is…
• 50:16
  Tad Eggleston: Sadly still be called.
• 50:18
  Phil: At the risk of… is there… is there a certain naval blockage that is contributing?
• 50:24
  Tad Eggleston: No… no idea, but…
• 50:25
  Phil: Yep.
• 50:26
  Tad Eggleston: But there is spring break coming up, so hopefully I'll manage to do some then.
• 50:32
  Phil: Yeah, so I, I jumped from having read, like, two and a half chapters of Blue Period to 26 chapters, which, yeah, well, when there's only four, that's, that's through, I started Volume 7 last night, so…
• 50:45
  Phil: jumped from cracking into Volume 1 to read 6 whole volumes, this past week. And I think, yeah, I'm pushing towards… I don't know if I'll hit 17 by next week or the week after, but, yeah, that's, thanks to my local library.
• 51:00
  Phil: It's the physical reading that gets me to go faster.
• 51:04
  Tad Eggleston: All right, some great responsibility. We've been… we've been talking about this series, Behind the series, for a long time. I was lucky enough to get to… to meet Michael Feefe at,
• 51:18
  Tad Eggleston: CXC last year, and…
• 51:20
  Tad Eggleston: now I'll have an excuse to get off my ass and… and… and drag him on the show. Let's talk some… some…
• 51:29
  Tad Eggleston: Copra. Round 1.
• 51:33
  Phil: Well, I guess the first big question is, is it pronounced Copra or copra?
• 51:38
  Tyler Johnson: I thought it was COPRA, but I was gonna ask you guys.
• 51:43
  Tyler Johnson: Cause I'm like, I don't know, but… Yeah, it's cool.
• 51:46
  Tad Eggleston: I think I said the word Copra to Mikel, and it didn't get corrected.
• 51:52
  Phil: Mmm, okay, that, that, that's a… certainly a Sunday official.
• 51:58
  Tad Eggleston: But I didn't manage to make it to his talk, so I don't know, like, how he voluntarily pronounced it, so yeah, how about that?
• 52:07
  Phil: So, yeah.
• 52:09
  Tyler Johnson: Well, before we dive into Suicide Squad, I mean Cobra.
• 52:15
  Tad Eggleston: It does, it does have, it does have Suicide Squad elements.
• 52:19
  Phil: It does.
• 52:20
  Tad Eggleston: And I don't think that was an accident.
• 52:22
  Phil: No, and that jumped out at me on the first read. This time, it definitely feels like Suicide Squad meets Doom Patrol, you know?
• 52:30
  Tyler Johnson: Yes, with…
• 52:32
  Phil: Other references built in, too.
• 52:34
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 52:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I feel like it winds up getting deeper than any of those. Oh, yeah, correct.
• 52:43
  Tyler Johnson: It does, yep.
• 52:45
  Tad Eggleston: But my biggest thing, and one of the things that I want to talk more with Mikel about, is, like.
• 52:52
  Tad Eggleston: I forget if it's in the introduction to Book 1, or if I read it somewhere else, that he talked about,
• 53:00
  Tad Eggleston: what if I were to try to do a book like Kirby?
• 53:03
  Tad Eggleston: and not like Kirby as in, like, Kirby style or whatnot, but like Kirby as in Kirby speed.
• 53:12
  Phil: Breaking the Kirby.
• 53:14
  Tad Eggleston: I just… I just did whatever… whatever I had to do to do it at… and probably not even Kirby Speed, because Kirby Speed was, like, 6 pages a day, and…
• 53:23
  Phil: Yeah, it was…
• 53:24
  Tad Eggleston: I was shooting for, like, three, you know? Yeah. But he was also, I think, doing all of the color and inking as well.
• 53:34
  Phil: Which, that is definitely, like, the artistic vibrancy just jumps off the page of this book, because I remember the first time I read it, and even reading it this time on my phone, this is a book that makes me want to learn how to draw. Like, that's how much fun it looks like he's having on the page, and like…
• 53:53
  Tyler Johnson: Yes, it's very… it's loose. And the other thing is, too, the art style is so, interesting, because much of it is done with colored pencil. Yeah.
• 54:05
  Tad Eggleston: N?
• 54:06
  Tyler Johnson: when you look at it, you're like, oh, this feels like a middle school kid's notebook, right? And you're like…
• 54:13
  Phil: coolest fucking middle school kid you've ever… because seriously, it's like, it has that, that sort of, like, notebook, DIY aesthetic, but… but…
• 54:20
  Tad Eggleston: And I have a facsimile of Jeff Smith's, you know, elementary school version of Bone, and, like, it can be done.
• 54:31
  Phil: Yeah.
• 54:31
  Tad Eggleston: His middle school version of Bone, too.
• 54:34
  Tad Eggleston: Characters are already pretty much fully formed.
• 54:38
  Phil: Yeah.
• 54:39
  Tad Eggleston: By the time he was 8.
• 54:43
  Tyler Johnson: Oh.
• 54:43
  Phil: I didn't know that about, about Bone.
• 54:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 54:46
  Tyler Johnson: That's cool. I mean, that is Jeff still doing it, right? And… Yeah. But, no, the artwork in this, is… the figures… the figures are kind of clunky, right? And that's probably on purpose. They just look like lumbering, big characters, and,
• 55:06
  Tyler Johnson: I like it. You know, again, like I said, it gives off a young vibe of a young artist.
• 55:13
  Tyler Johnson: But… but that's… but that's definitely on purpose, you know what I mean? That's the style.
• 55:17
  Tad Eggleston: But I'm gonna… I'm gonna take it a slightly different way. What this does…
• 55:23
  Tad Eggleston: From an art… from a comic art standpoint.
• 55:27
  Tad Eggleston: is… emphasize…
• 55:34
  Tad Eggleston: how much of the story can be told? I mean, remember, in Understanding Comics, Scott McCloud has, like, his abstract scale of art, you know, from very representational to very realistic.
• 55:50
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, what this does is show you how much Great storytelling can be done.
• 55:59
  Tad Eggleston: With really representational artwork.
• 56:02
  Phil: Yeah, is the amount of, like.
• 56:05
  Phil: Open… the way he uses open space, like.
• 56:09
  Phil: Parts of the page that are untouched.
• 56:11
  Phil: is incredible to me. Whereas now, like, if you look at anything from Marvel and DC, it's like.
• 56:17
  Phil: fully painted, top to bottom. So the amount of, like.
• 56:20
  Phil: bare page open space that he uses is… is…
• 56:24
  Tad Eggleston: And it's still an action superhero comic.
• 56:26
  Phil: Exactly, yeah, it's like he's… he's blending together, abstraction and minimalism and, I'll show you guys this…
• 56:37
  Tyler Johnson: This page here, where we've got a whole bunch of frames that are kind of thrown together like postcards on a table.
• 56:43
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 56:44
  Tyler Johnson: And then the background is just a solid white. And yeah, it feels…
• 56:53
  Tyler Johnson: It's… it gives it a certain feeling, for sure.
• 56:56
  Phil: We're busy.
• 56:56
  Tyler Johnson: aren't standard panels. I mean, sure, on a couple pages, standard panels, but not…
• 57:01
  Phil: But when X.
• 57:02
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 57:02
  Phil: When he uses… even…
• 57:04
  Phil: the layouts, the… the combination of, like, non-traditional shaped layouts, and, like, those action ones where the panels are all sloppy together, and then just having, like, 3 tiers of, like, progressive images, it's… it's also great. It's… it's…
• 57:19
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and like… every line Is dedicated to storytelling.
• 57:26
  Phil: Yes, 100%.
• 57:28
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, what makes this comic really special and makes it become even more special the deeper you go is every line
• 57:38
  Tad Eggleston: Is dedicated to storytelling.
• 57:42
  Phil: Both.
• 57:42
  Tad Eggleston: Texting.
• 57:43
  Phil: And… and art.
• 57:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right, it's… it's, in some ways, like, the most minimalist action comic you could possibly make.
• 57:53
  Phil: Pretty much, yeah, yeah, it's hard for me to think of…
• 57:56
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 57:57
  Tyler Johnson: That's a good way to put it.
• 57:58
  Tad Eggleston: And, and, like… Because of that, it…
• 58:05
  Tad Eggleston: It both distinguishes comics as a storytelling medium.
• 58:09
  Tad Eggleston: More than an art medium or a writing medium.
• 58:15
  Phil: Yeah.
• 58:15
  Tad Eggleston: And it… it… Makes a statement about…
• 58:24
  Tad Eggleston: What the real, essential parts of that storytelling are.
• 58:31
  Phil: Yeah.
• 58:32
  Phil: Yeah, that… that makes a lot of sense, because it's… it is focused…
• 58:36
  Tad Eggleston: Because the acting is there.
• 58:38
  Phil: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, is… is it… is perf… I mean, and… and, like.
• 58:44
  Tad Eggleston: even as I was about to say it, I went, oh, here's another person that's often understated in their acting, just in different ways. I was about to say, is it as profound as Elsa Chardier? Maybe not, but then I went, you know, Elsie Chardier also tends to be kind of minimalist. How often do we talk about profound acting with really detailed, realistic art?
• 59:07
  Phil: Yeah, it can get harder because, you know, sometimes the more detail you put into it, like, the less.
• 59:16
  Tad Eggleston: The more ambiguity there is.
• 59:17
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 59:18
  Tad Eggleston: Human faces are hard to read.
• 59:20
  Phil: Exactly, yeah, whereas when you have that, the cartooning that's just, like.
• 59:24
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I am both autistic and work in autism education. We use a lot of comics and or emoji-type things to help
• 59:33
  Tad Eggleston: kids… Understand and pick up on emotions.
• 59:37
  Phil: Absolutely, yeah.
• 59:39
  Tad Eggleston: You know? Yeah.
• 59:40
  Phil: I think the acting, I mean, one of the big things for me, I mean, again, his… between his use of layouts and his, like, panel progression of… of seeing, like.
• 59:51
  Phil: What is a chaotic, like, the first issue where, you know, the bad guys
• 59:58
  Phil: jump the van, and it's just complete chaos, but it is so cool-looking, and so fun, and you know what's happening the whole time. That's another thing that's great, is that the storytelling comes through, and it's clearly conveyed, and you're not guessing.
• 1:00:12
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, this is… this is where I… I go, like…
• 1:00:17
  Tad Eggleston: I know Tyler and I have talked about this once or twice, like,
• 1:00:22
  Tad Eggleston: Lone Wolf and Cub is one of my favorite comics ever.
• 1:00:27
  Tad Eggleston: And… and… certainly one of the most beautiful comics ever, ever drawn. But…
• 1:00:40
  Tad Eggleston: In terms of fight scenes, I like Usagi Yojimbo more, because I always know which character is which.
• 1:00:46
  Phil: Okay. Yeah, I can see that. I can understand that.
• 1:00:50
  Tad Eggleston: In kinetic fight scenes in Lone Wolf and Cub, I sometimes have to look really carefully to figure out which one is our ronin, and which one is the one that he's fighting against. That's not a problem when it's a rabbit and a fox.
• 1:01:03
  Phil: I think, I mean, yeah, when it's… when it's a detailed style, and it's in black…
• 1:01:08
  Tad Eggleston: You know what I mean?
• 1:01:09
  Phil: Yeah, no, I do. Well, and same with this, where when all of the character designs are totally different, you know, and unique, and I love…
• 1:01:17
  Tad Eggleston: Characters were clearly designed to never…
• 1:01:21
  Tad Eggleston: Have a problem knowing who was who.
• 1:01:24
  Phil: Yeah, and I also love how some of the more, like, generic-looking designs were the people who got killed instantly.
• 1:01:30
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:01:31
  Phil: Like.
• 1:01:31
  Tyler Johnson: I mean… The red, the red, the red shirt.
• 1:01:33
  Phil: Yeah, the obvious after light knockoff.
• 1:01:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, definitely one of the things that… that I would, I would talk to Mikel about, is, is…
• 1:01:44
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 1:01:46
  Tad Eggleston: How much time did you spend putting together your characters initially to make them so that… like, talk about… talk about the pre-series prep.
• 1:01:56
  Phil: Yo.
• 1:01:57
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because part of this is that, you know, essentially, you know, to use a Matt Madden term, the constraint you put on yourself was you wanted to work at a really high speed. Yeah. But…
• 1:02:09
  Tad Eggleston: But even when working in constraints, you then have to put together the right toolbox, and in this case, a lot of that toolbox is… is character and world design that
• 1:02:21
  Tad Eggleston: That you know that you can…
• 1:02:25
  Tad Eggleston: use quickly. So talk to me about how you thought about Your… your character designs.
• 1:02:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So, Mikel, if you're listening, that's, that's like…
• 1:02:37
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe not question one, but an early question.
• 1:02:39
  Tyler Johnson: Tell us about…
• 1:02:40
  Tad Eggleston: An early question, should you ever.
• 1:02:42
  Phil: Question zero.
• 1:02:43
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:44
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. I mean, I… Well, he…
• 1:02:46
  Tyler Johnson: I was gonna say, guys, I have to go at 9. I have to jump off.
• 1:02:50
  Tad Eggleston: Well, then we… that… that becomes a… a… I mean, particularly because we're planning on going through all of Copra. Okay, good.
• 1:02:58
  Phil: I was just about to ask, are we doing Volume 2 next week?
• 1:03:01
  Tyler Johnson: I hope so, I hope so.
• 1:03:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, no.
• 1:03:03
  Phil: I'm on board.
• 1:03:03
  Tad Eggleston: We'll do it all, it's done. There's no reason not to just go around a week.
• 1:03:09
  Tyler Johnson: young.
• 1:03:09
  Tad Eggleston: Remember, round.
• 1:03:10
  Phil: I love that.
• 1:03:11
  Tad Eggleston: Around two, man.
• 1:03:12
  Tyler Johnson: Cool.
• 1:03:13
  Phil: Because it's like a fight.
• 1:03:14
  Tyler Johnson: Right.
• 1:03:15
  Phil: in a fight. It's a… it's.
• 1:03:16
  Tyler Johnson: You know, as far as, like, like I said, I made the joke that it's Suicide Squad, but it's not. It's better.
• 1:03:22
  Phil: more.
• 1:03:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:03:23
  Tyler Johnson: It's better. Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  Phil: Honestly?
• 1:03:25
  Tad Eggleston: It works from a little bit of that premise.
• 1:03:28
  Tad Eggleston: But the characters are deeper.
• 1:03:32
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. The… the… the… there's more ambiguity about what they're being asked to do.
• 1:03:39
  Tad Eggleston: And whatnot, like… And I thought it was a great decision that,
• 1:03:49
  Tad Eggleston: They didn't open with, oh, we're putting this team together.
• 1:03:53
  Phil: Team's already there.
• 1:03:55
  Tad Eggleston: The team's already there.
• 1:03:56
  Phil: They opened with taking the team apart.
• 1:03:58
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, they explained, they explained, and then they went back, right? Honestly… Right.
• 1:04:03
  Phil: having read this, it kind of ruins Suicide Squad for me. Like, I look at Suicide Squad, and I'm like, I don't really get it. And I know that there's supposed to be a huge, great Ostrander run in, the 80s and stuff, but I'm like, every Suicide Squad I look at, and I'm like, this is just shitty Copra, you know?
• 1:04:20
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:04:20
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 1:04:21
  Tyler Johnson: And, you know, I… I know we're… this is kind of silly, but I'm just going to point out my favorite frame, because we were talking about frames, and artwork, where, you know, I'm new to… I'm new to Copra, so I don't know character names yet, but…
• 1:04:33
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not new to COPRA, and I don't manage to…
• 1:04:38
  Tyler Johnson: Where she was the tank. The tank man, right?
• 1:04:42
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:43
  Tyler Johnson: Rips him off.
• 1:04:44
  Tyler Johnson: tank. That was half tank. Half tank, half man. And did you notice where the gun is on the tank when he's shooting?
• 1:04:53
  Phil: It's been coming.
• 1:04:54
  Tyler Johnson: Right out of his crotch area.
• 1:04:56
  Phil: A bit more later.
• 1:04:56
  Tyler Johnson: serious.
• 1:04:57
  Tyler Johnson: It looks hilarious.
• 1:04:59
  Phil: Oh yeah, no, my favorite page was probably when the count guy was mind-warping the big bad guy, and he was, like, turning into a circle of himself. That scene was awesome.
• 1:05:10
  Tyler Johnson: This is kind of, just nitpicky, but I don't enjoy the, kind of,
• 1:05:18
  Tyler Johnson: Taupe-ish background throughout this.
• 1:05:22
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:05:23
  Tyler Johnson: I… I… I'm just a little bored.
• 1:05:25
  Phil: I like it. It's interesting, it's… yeah, I mean, it's… it's unique. It's… it's a… it's a…
• 1:05:32
  Phil: you know, it's a background color that I don't see very often, so then it.
• 1:05:36
  Tad Eggleston: I kind of don't even notice half the time.
• 1:05:39
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. And I think that's part of the point.
• 1:05:44
  Phil: Yeah, I mean, it just.
• 1:05:45
  Tyler Johnson: Let's, yeah.
• 1:05:46
  Phil: the color of the page to me at that point, you know?
• 1:05:48
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:05:49
  Phil: That's what he's drawing on. But yeah.
• 1:05:54
  Tyler Johnson: I mean, it's not throughout the whole thing, so I shouldn't say that, but it…
• 1:05:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but, but I, I mean.
• 1:05:58
  Phil: Good enough.
• 1:05:59
  Tad Eggleston: That goes back to what I was saying before, like, every line has a purpose.
• 1:06:05
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, yep.
• 1:06:06
  Tad Eggleston: So, like…
• 1:06:09
  Tad Eggleston: What color do they tell you to make your walls when you're getting your house ready to sell?
• 1:06:15
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:06:16
  Tad Eggleston: That's the background, unless there's a reason for it not to.
• 1:06:23
  Tad Eggleston: And then he'll put something else there.
• 1:06:26
  Tad Eggleston: You know.
• 1:06:28
  Tad Eggleston: At least that's kind of my take, and I didn't… I didn't manage to do as deep of a dive this week, so, like, these are all thoughts that I've had for…
• 1:06:37
  Tad Eggleston: ages, not, like, finely honed ones, but that's kind of…
• 1:06:41
  Tyler Johnson: 19.
• 1:06:42
  Tad Eggleston: is that? I… yeah.
• 1:06:43
  Tyler Johnson: I'm excited for Round 2, for sure. Heck yeah.
• 1:06:48
  Tyler Johnson: I do like it that they call them rounds, that's really cool. I was… I had to make sure I was reading the right thing, because I went back… because there's a number of Copra, stuff in, Global Comics where I'm.
• 1:07:00
  Tad Eggleston: There is.
• 1:07:01
  Tyler Johnson: I'm like, there's the Master Collection, Death of Copa.
• 1:07:05
  Tad Eggleston: I think the Master Collection has the original 3 rounds, because it didn't start at Image.
• 1:07:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Started independent, independent?
• 1:07:14
  Phil: Yeah, self-published, pretty sure. Ruse made an amount to put.
• 1:07:17
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:07:18
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, and then.
• 1:07:20
  Tad Eggleston: Sync?
• 1:07:20
  Phil: I think it was… yeah, sorry, we should probably just wrap up.
• 1:07:24
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Tad Eggleston: We've got lots of time to talk, Copra. So let's get into the three books we hope will be spectacular.
• 1:07:32
  Tad Eggleston: Dead Teenagers number one, from Jude Ellison S. Doyle and Caitlin Yarsky, friend of the podcast, from Oni Press, just looks awesome.
• 1:07:42
  Tad Eggleston: End of life number 2, end of life number one was awesome.
• 1:07:45
  Tyler Johnson: That was… that was so good. I loved it, you know? And it's weird reading Kyle Starks.
• 1:07:51
  Tad Eggleston: I love cows.
• 1:07:52
  Tyler Johnson: that format, you know, in that style, in that… I don't know, but it's great.
• 1:07:56
  Tad Eggleston: Al Starks and Tim Pugh, and
• 1:07:59
  Tad Eggleston: And, and, and, for Phil and myself, Batwoman No. 1 from Greg Bracca and Danny at DC.
• 1:08:08
  Tyler Johnson: There's a…
• 1:08:08
  Tad Eggleston: There's a crap.
• 1:08:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, there's a crap ton of other really great comics coming out this week. Crazy For You, from Paul Thoreaux and Steve Laffert, Fanographics, If You're Behind, Death to Pachuco, and Trinity Daughter of Wonder Woman.
• 1:08:26
  Tad Eggleston: Animan beat everyone up, and hot or not among the graphic novels. American Caper is rolling on, as our barbarian behind bars, Devil on My Shoulder, The Future Is, Kill All Immortals, Night City.
• 1:08:41
  Tad Eggleston: a book from Matt Kint and David Lapham.
• 1:08:46
  Tad Eggleston: Didn't make my top 3 this week.
• 1:08:49
  Phil: That's tough.
• 1:08:51
  Tyler Johnson: Funny.
• 1:08:52
  Phil: Yeah, I'll also…
• 1:08:53
  Tad Eggleston: The Scotty Young, Jorge Corona… or Lobos starts up, Lucky Devils continues, Mary Sue wraps up, Powers 25, number 7, Roots of Madness, number 5, Ultimate Wolverine.
• 1:09:10
  Tad Eggleston: Number 15, Tom King returning with, number 31 of Wonder Woman. I probably should have, like, put WrestleHeist up with the…
• 1:09:19
  Tad Eggleston: the End of Life number 2, because it's Kyle Starks.
• 1:09:24
  Tad Eggleston: That could have even maybe moved End of Life up above Dead Teenagers, but I'm really looking forward to Dead Teenagers, so I'm not certain. So yeah, really, really good book, Week Comics. Phil, what is your giant-sized trade waiter pick?
• 1:09:39
  Phil: That's gonna be Don't Forget Your Briefcase by Elliot.
• 1:09:42
  Tyler Johnson: No, I'm doing it.
• 1:09:43
  Phil: Phillips Seavey at Mad Cave.
• 1:09:45
  Phil: Yeah, I… that one… I've gotta read that one. It… I mean.
• 1:09:48
  Phil: You said it was great. It's great. The premise sounds uncontested. Also super excited for Batwoman number one. I'll also say Animan.
• 1:09:57
  Phil: Sounds ridiculous, I'm gonna have to read that one at some point, too. Looks… looks so bonkers.
• 1:10:05
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, that's… Episode number 227.
• 1:10:12
  Tad Eggleston: It just feels crazy.
• 1:10:15
  Tad Eggleston: 800-some-odd episodes in total.
• 1:10:19
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Yeah.
• 1:10:20
  Tad Eggleston: Shiss. Shiss.
• 1:10:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:10:23
  Tad Eggleston: And thank you guys for carrying this episode, because, like, I… just… I'm just tired, I have…
• 1:10:31
  Tad Eggleston: A lot of things that are supposed to be fun on my plate for today, this weekend, that, like, all of them feel more like chores than fun right now, just because of where the world is.
• 1:10:43
  Tyler Johnson: That sucks.
• 1:10:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I'm trying to put myself together, but, like, this is, like, the first time ever that I thought about skipping a week.
• 1:10:51
  Phil: Oof.
• 1:10:52
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, I'm happy that you were both here and able to carry the episode and make me feel better, so, like, thank you both for that.
• 1:11:00
  Phil: We were the Sam and Gollum to your Frodo, happily.
• 1:11:04
  Tyler Johnson: Sam and Gollum.
• 1:11:07
  Phil: Carrying you up that mountain.
• 1:11:10
  Tyler Johnson: If they're.
• 1:11:10
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, particularly with the encouraging me to crawl back into the wormhole at the beginning, you're totally pulling off the golem rule.
• 1:11:21
  Phil: I knew that's where I was going.
• 1:11:24
  Tad Eggleston: Wait, so…
• 1:11:25
  Tyler Johnson: Can I be Sam? Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's the point, is he claimed Gollum for himself, whether he wanted it or not, so you have to be Sam.
• 1:11:34
  Phil: Yeah?
• 1:11:35
  Phil: It's a heavy burden.
• 1:11:36
  Tad Eggleston: And, and, like, if you guys love Sam and Gollum, you really probably shouldn't be reading Babs right now.
• 1:11:46
  Tyler Johnson: Hey, before we go, do you guys read a webcomic called Tonks?
• 1:11:51
  Tyler Johnson: Or Twonk, T-W-O-N-K-S.
• 1:11:53
  Phil: I think I've…
• 1:11:54
  Tad Eggleston: I've heard of it, but I don't think I've read it.
• 1:11:56
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:11:56
  Tyler Johnson: Well, they, they had a recent strip, it's a comic strip, and a recent one of, Sam and Frodo in Mount Doom at the edge, and Frodo going, oh, I forgot the ring in Riverdale, or in the Shire, we have to go back, and Sam shoving him off.
• 1:12:16
  Tyler Johnson: That's footage. That's pretty good. And he goes, whoops!
• 1:12:22
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, well, Tyler, take us out, my friend.
• 1:12:26
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, so this has been awesome, and we'll catch you guys after next page.
• 1:12:32
  Tyler Johnson: See ya!