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Terror Beneath the Sea · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Richard Keel, Jaws from the James Bond movies,
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  Speaker 6: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 4: I am Brian. I'm Sterling. And we're coming to you live.
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  Speaker 6: Via digital recording from, what.
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  Speaker 2: Did we say this was last night?
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  Speaker 3: The nexus of time and space or something to that.
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  Speaker 5: The cabin in the woods. Yeah, it did land on
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  Speaker 5: the cabin in the woods. Which, if you've seen the
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  Speaker 5: movie Cabin in the Woods, you will know is, in
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  Speaker 5: a way, a kind of nexus.
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  Speaker 3: Of time and space.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the time and space of horror movies.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's where we are.
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  Speaker 5: We are currently at my house, which despite being located
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  Speaker 5: in the city, is located what looks like the middle
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  Speaker 5: of a forest. It's kind of awesome. Knock on wood,
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  Speaker 5: it stays that way.
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  Speaker 3: That guy's moving trees down there. You're going to have
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  Speaker 3: to have a talk with him.
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  Speaker 5: I'm unhappy about that.
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  Speaker 3: You can't be getting rid of trees if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to have a forest. Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And listen, man, when I moved here, my plan was
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  Speaker 5: to see no natives, no relatives, no anybody.
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  Speaker 3: No humans. No humans.
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  Speaker 5: My goal was... It was complete misanthropy.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I'm on board with this one.
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  Speaker 5: Me and my girlfriend.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe. On a good day, you'd see her. Maybe.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I've got my study. We've got our offices
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  Speaker 5: in two different places.
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  Speaker 3: People should learn from this.
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  Speaker 5: When she gets tired of me being like, no, come on,
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  Speaker 5: let's watch another bad movie from the 60s. She has
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  Speaker 5: a place to retreat to.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, I'm going to go do anything else.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I jest because my girlfriend is awesome and loves
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  Speaker 5: to watch bad old movies with me. Especially, she's a
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  Speaker 5: huge Bela Lugosi fan, which I think is fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting and awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: More power to her.
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  Speaker 5: I remember when we did our Black Cat episode.
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  Speaker 3: That's a while ago. Yeah, yeah. It was a really
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  Speaker 3: good discussion, man. As I recall. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I guess it's at least part of the reason why
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  Speaker 5: you're still showing up at my house to do recordings
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  Speaker 5: with me.
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Much to all the complaints. Enough of that Sterling guy.
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  Speaker 5: Geez.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I hope that's not the case. I noticed that
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  Speaker 5: our last few episodes, we've done just the two of us,
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  Speaker 5: which I like. But at the same time, I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: it's Is he ashamed of me? Does he not want
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  Speaker 5: to bring me out?
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  Speaker 3: No, what I've realized is between the two of us,
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  Speaker 3: no one else can get a word in edgewise.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And if you disagree with that, go listen to try
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  Speaker 3: to get through the last episode we did of this
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  Speaker 3: very series. Because I described that to someone the other day.
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  Speaker 3: They were talking about like, oh, you know, sometimes our
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  Speaker 3: episodes run long because they would do a podcast. And
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  Speaker 3: I was just like, no, no. We were talking about
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  Speaker 3: a movie that was maybe 90 minutes long.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was a good three hours and 20 minutes by
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  Speaker 3: the time we were done. And that's the episode, not
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  Speaker 3: only the hours of time we spent around that discussion.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So yeah, I, I, capped it off at
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  Speaker 3: a nice you know a little over three hours so
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  Speaker 3: and that took process that that took some judicious editing
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  Speaker 3: but yeah you're right you're right we do talk way
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  Speaker 3: too much which is i realized like between the two
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  Speaker 3: of us we got it we got talking covered so
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  Speaker 3: trying to force although.
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  Speaker 5: I will say that i think our batman v superman
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  Speaker 5: round table was pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Good that one was good we we brought in a
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  Speaker 3: nice guest yeah she was wonderful she is awesome she
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  Speaker 3: was really awesome what was her name again jenna bush Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: she was very nice.
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  Speaker 4: Very cool.
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  Speaker 3: Real bright.
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  Speaker 5: It was right before the Wonder Woman movie came out.
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  Speaker 5: I remember talking about that. But yeah, anyway, it was
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  Speaker 5: great to have her on the show and great to
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  Speaker 5: talk to her.
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  Speaker 3: But we learned our lesson. Nobody else can talk when
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  Speaker 3: we're in the same room. God, it's awful. So here
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  Speaker 3: we are.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really the worst guest.
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  Speaker 3: Which is why we created this series in and of itself.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really the worst guest you've ever had in that way.
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  Speaker 3: You said that. I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway, so our movie today. Do you want to
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  Speaker 5: just dive right in?
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  Speaker 3: And normally, I even said that last time. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: we better get to it so we can wrap this
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  Speaker 3: up quickly. And three and a half hours later, we
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  Speaker 3: were still talking. So obviously, that didn't work. So normally,
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  Speaker 3: I don't even bother with a intro movie, what have
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  Speaker 3: you been watching kind of thing. But because this ties in,
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  Speaker 3: I will mention the last thing I watched before this
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  Speaker 3: week's movie.
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  Speaker 7: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 3: I watched Dr. No.
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  Speaker 5: Really?
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  Speaker 3: That does tie in. Which, how familiar are you with
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  Speaker 3: old school? That's the thing. I know a ton about
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  Speaker 3: Bond because I was just, again, like being around movies,
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  Speaker 3: working in an environment with movies. Listening to people come
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  Speaker 3: in and go, I want that one that's got Bond
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  Speaker 3: when he's... And so, like, I know so many of
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  Speaker 3: the scenarios and all of the actors and all this
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  Speaker 3: crap that, like... But then when I think back, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: the ones that I'm probably the least familiar with and
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  Speaker 3: or a few never sat down and watched is the
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  Speaker 3: early Connery stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I ran into a copy of it and I
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  Speaker 3: was just like, yeah, Doctor... Wait, have I watched that one? So...
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  Speaker 3: As I sat down, I'm like, I think the answer
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  Speaker 3: is no. I don't think I'd ever sat and seen
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  Speaker 3: it in its entirety. So, I have now seen Doctor No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: What did you think? How familiar are you with that one?
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  Speaker 3: And or, I guess, all of Bond or the Connery stuff,
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  Speaker 3: at least.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I will say this, is that I am the world's
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  Speaker 5: most reluctant James Bond fan. In that I have, like,
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  Speaker 5: the first five or six James Bond novels, even, in
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  Speaker 5: my collection.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 5: Uh, and I've got, uh, but here's the thing is,
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  Speaker 5: is because from very early age due to, uh, due
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  Speaker 5: to various reasons, I was sent away to boarding school
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  Speaker 5: and in boarding school where we were all sent away,
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  Speaker 5: sent away, like.
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  Speaker 3: Like go, just take your Ian Fleming and get the
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  Speaker 3: hell out.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, I didn't have Ian Fleming. I had my
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  Speaker 5: Star Trek encyclopedia, uh, when I was going to take
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  Speaker 5: it by God. Uh, anyway, and so I did some
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  Speaker 5: hard time parochial boarding school, uh, This explains so much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: imagine a kid with a trunk as tall as he
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  Speaker 5: is and, like, a coat and tie and short pants, like,
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  Speaker 5: crying by the airport. Like, that's me at, like, 11.
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  Speaker 3: I'm writing this movie now. Hold on.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway, like, so here's the thing, though, is that, like,
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  Speaker 5: young boys, right, are, on the one hand, not hard
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  Speaker 5: to entertain, but on the other hand, because there are certain...
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  Speaker 5: like reliable things you can return to and one of
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  Speaker 5: the things we have is every like friday night i
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  Speaker 5: think there was like a movie night.
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  Speaker 3: Because we're all like we live there yeah so you're
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  Speaker 3: stuck there every day yeah you can't.
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  Speaker 5: Leave school to go to the movies or if you
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  Speaker 5: do it's like a special thing so like you know
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  Speaker 5: they showed movies for us and one of the most
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  Speaker 5: reliable things you know that they would show would be
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  Speaker 5: the james bond movies because you know like like kids
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  Speaker 5: and especially like the young boys you know you can
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  Speaker 5: get into james bond and like the adults don't hate
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  Speaker 5: it and you know everything so i saw like I
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  Speaker 5: kid you not, I saw like all of Jackie Chan's movies.
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  Speaker 5: Like after a certain, around First Strike, I think. And
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  Speaker 5: I saw like all of the James Bond movies. So
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  Speaker 5: at some point, I have seen every James Bond movie
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  Speaker 5: except the Timothy Dalton ones.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Interestingly enough.
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  Speaker 3: They really hate Timothy Dalton? No one does. Even though,
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  Speaker 3: in retrospect... I think as an actor, he's great. It
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  Speaker 3: was an interesting little run of two there.
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  Speaker 5: But that's just it. Timothy Dalton, in retrospect, he's awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Whenever you see Timothy Dalton in anything, you're like, oh
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  Speaker 5: my god, there's Timothy.
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  Speaker 3: Holy god.
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  Speaker 5: I was watching Oliver Cromwell... The movie from the 1970s
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  Speaker 5: starring Richard Harris. Starring Richard Harris as Oliver Cromwell. By
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  Speaker 5: the way, not a great movie, even for a person
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  Speaker 5: like me who's really big into the epic, historical epic
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  Speaker 5: from the mid-century.
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  Speaker 3: I love those.
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  Speaker 5: But it's not a great movie, but Timothy Dalton shows
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  Speaker 5: up as Prince Rupert with his little dog.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's awesome. Anyway. From Flash Gordon to Hot Buzz.
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  Speaker 3: What more do you want from this guy? Anyway, so yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So it's just weird that we still look back at
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  Speaker 5: the Timothy Dalton, James Bond, and we say, ugh.
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  Speaker 3: But at the time, I saw Living Daylights in the theater.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I liked it at the time. I think I
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: think license to kill is a weird one that I
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  Speaker 3: don't I think I've only watched once so I could
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  Speaker 3: I guess go back to that but I feel like
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  Speaker 3: living daylights had it was also like it it's the
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  Speaker 3: first time you saw them go oh we have to
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  Speaker 3: kind of change this guy yeah and like they but
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  Speaker 3: between you know Connery and and Roger Moore they changed
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  Speaker 3: it from the actors yeah but like that was the
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  Speaker 3: first and I kind of appreciate it even at the
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  Speaker 3: time because I Living Daylights came out right in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of all of the surrounding world dealing with, oh God, AIDS.
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  Speaker 3: So this guy who does nothing but hook up with
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  Speaker 3: random girls.
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  Speaker 5: All around the world.
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  Speaker 3: This is the, it's one of the few movies, well,
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  Speaker 3: until we get to these new ones, because now, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Craig isn't that kind of a, he's way more
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  Speaker 3: tortured as a hero. Yeah. But like. Lucky us. But
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  Speaker 3: that's one of the few that he has a girl.
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  Speaker 3: There's a girl in the story, other than they do
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  Speaker 3: the little pre, you know, the intro story, where, of course,
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  Speaker 3: it ends with him kissing some girl. But essentially, everything
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  Speaker 3: else is with this one woman. And I was like,
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  Speaker 3: even at the time, as young as I was, I
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  Speaker 3: was like... What a cool way to be like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the world's not like that anymore. And maybe he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: need to be such a hoe. Let's kind of be
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  Speaker 3: responsible as creators and make him a little more respectable person.
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  Speaker 3: Such a himbo. Yeah. So I remember really kind of
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  Speaker 3: liking that. And there's some cool, you know, chase scenes
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  Speaker 3: and stuff. So again, I need to revisit that one.
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  Speaker 3: But I didn't hate Dalton. yeah um i you know
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  Speaker 3: all i.
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  Speaker 5: Can say is that like uh it from that era
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  Speaker 5: right after that we my girlfriend and i re-watched golden
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  Speaker 5: eye recently and that movie has way more laugh out
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  Speaker 5: loud moments that.
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  Speaker 3: One's solid as it is a bond it's funny because
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  Speaker 3: i don't think about any of the other three well
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  Speaker 3: just but well that one is a solid bond i
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  Speaker 3: think i saw.
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  Speaker 5: All of those james bond movies in theaters actually precisely
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  Speaker 5: because i was in boarding school and like during that
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  Speaker 5: time like Big outing.
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  Speaker 3: Guess what?
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  Speaker 5: We're all going to go see a movie.
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  Speaker 3: What movie? James Bond movie. There's another James Bond movie.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm like, well, I get to get out of
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  Speaker 5: my cell for a little while. But anyway, yeah, for
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  Speaker 5: some reason, though, all these like 11 year olds, they
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  Speaker 5: thought that a good role model would be Sean Connery,
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  Speaker 5: James Bond, which in retrospect is a great idea. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so I've seen them all. But it's been with Dr.
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  Speaker 3: No, at least.
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  Speaker 5: It's curiously enough, the one that I've actually rewatched the
• 12:19
  Speaker 5: most is Thunderball. Uh, which is, which is not the great,
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  Speaker 5: like one, but it's just, you need like a 20
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  Speaker 5: minute underwater fight scene.
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  Speaker 3: That is your movie, right? But Dr.
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  Speaker 5: No is like the legit classic, uh, of that period.
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  Speaker 5: Along with... Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: Goldfinger. Goldfinger. Goldfinger's the go-to for most old-school Bond guys.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, excuse me. And I say guys. I don't
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  Speaker 3: mean to... But let's be real. Everyone that ever came
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  Speaker 3: in asking me for a James Bond movie, unless it
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  Speaker 3: was a gift, I don't think I ever had a woman...
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  Speaker 3: come in be like you know i want the one
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  Speaker 3: where he's with all them girls you know yeah yeah
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  Speaker 3: it's such a specific group yeah i will say to
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  Speaker 3: be which is kind of again what's changed about the
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  Speaker 3: daniel well i.
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  Speaker 5: Will say that my mom was a big james bond
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  Speaker 5: fan but i think that they were fans in the
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  Speaker 5: way that like well my mom was also like a
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  Speaker 5: godfather fan you know like yeah like there were just
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  Speaker 5: always people who dug quote guy movies yeah you know
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  Speaker 5: and but i think uh yeah the the so so
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  Speaker 5: i And by the way, when I say Dr. No
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  Speaker 5: is one of the classics, I know that there's that
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  Speaker 5: whole subset of James Bond fandom that if they hear this,
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  Speaker 5: they're just going to get on little message boards and
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  Speaker 5: be like.
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  Speaker 3: That is not the classic of that era. Blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 5: The most important movie of that era is Diamonds Are Forever.
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  Speaker 3: Or whatever. I don't really care.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just saying that like, Like that movie and Goldfinger
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  Speaker 5: and maybe, I don't know, like for me, Moonraker because
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  Speaker 5: it's called Moonraker.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing. I grew up more in
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  Speaker 3: the more era or at least the ones when I
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  Speaker 3: was a little kid and they were on TV. So
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  Speaker 3: it would be that Sunday night at the movies, Moonraker.
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  Speaker 3: And I'd be like, hell yeah, I'm watching Moonraker. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's like Star Wars with James Bond in it.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Which is exactly what got that movie made.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, and that's just it, is that those movies
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  Speaker 5: individually have so many unique characteristics. As much as we
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  Speaker 5: talk about Bond as being formulaic, really if you lay
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  Speaker 5: his movies end to end, the formula is the character,
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  Speaker 5: it's not in the circumstance, and that's.
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  Speaker 3: What makes it great. It's almost taking different sub-genres and
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  Speaker 3: jamming this character in, even when he doesn't fit. Even
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  Speaker 3: when it's a blaxploitation movie or an outer space movie
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  Speaker 3: or whatever is going on at the time. Again, it's
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  Speaker 3: such a weird sign of the times as to what
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  Speaker 3: the hell happens in the recreation of James Bond.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's actually the description of a great picaresque film,
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  Speaker 5: as it's called. There was this great article I read
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  Speaker 5: once about the difference between picaresque and classical storytelling.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Short version is classical storytelling is what you're used to
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  Speaker 5: from Greek theater stretching on to the present day. Where
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  Speaker 5: you talk about things in terms of, like, trilogies, right? Like,
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  Speaker 5: where you have the rising action, you know, the high point,
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  Speaker 5: the falling action. You talk about, like, the character growth
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  Speaker 5: and cycles and how someone has a realization and people
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  Speaker 5: in the audience are already falling asleep, you know? Character
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  Speaker 5: development is a mark of that classical arc of storytelling development.
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  Speaker 5: But the Peaker-esque story is the kind of story that
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  Speaker 5: has actually sold the most copies for the vast majority
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  Speaker 5: of human history. It is the tale that, you know,
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: these were made popular in the very early days of printing,
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: but they were obviously popular far longer in, like, things
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  Speaker 5: like the Robin Hood stories and things like that, where
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: you have a character who's essentially static, right? Like, James Kirk...
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  Speaker 5: Spock and McCoy, whatever they might learn in a given adventure,
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  Speaker 5: they don't stop being Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, right?
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  Speaker 3: They come back the next week and they're still having
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  Speaker 3: the same discussions almost. Right.
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  Speaker 5: And so the thing is, what's fun about those stories
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  Speaker 5: is taking these characters and putting them in a unique
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  Speaker 5: scenario and seeing how are they going to figure it
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  Speaker 5: out this time, right? Well, Spock's going to do the
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  Speaker 5: Spock thing. McCoy's going to do the McCoy thing. And
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  Speaker 5: Kirk's going to pick somewhere in between and do the
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: Kirk thing, right? So that's the fun, right? Similarly with
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: James Bond. You're not watching James, like, this is why
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Skyfall is on the one hand, like, one of the
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: greatest James Bond movies ever made, but also kind of
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: a movie you can't follow up from. It's because Skyfall
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: tries to give James Bond an arc, and James Bond,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: that's not who he is. Like, the point is that
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: he shows up in a movie, he does the James
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: Bond thing, and we get to see how James Bond
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: solves everything. that problem or solves that scenario or does
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: the James Bond thing that way. So anyway, that's, yeah,
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: that's the real point of James Bond movies. And so
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: much of serialized storytelling week to week is built on that.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: I'm really glad we're getting into like, we're now in
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: another golden age of television. You know, we're telling these big, long,
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: complex story arcs across multiple seasons and binge worthy shows,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: episode after episode. But again, It's wrong to look back
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: at like the Golden Girls and say those characters were
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: flawed because they never grew or changed. Right.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: That's a mistake. Right. Same thing with James Bond. There
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: are people who have that issue with certain shows. Sure.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: But again, I think it depends on the type of
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: show it's trying to be. Right. Or the type of
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: series in this case that it's trying to be. That's
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: what's interesting about this one.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Is because I'm so familiar with the series and the
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: normal things that you're going to find in every James
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Bond movie. So the weird thing is, this is the
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: first one. And again, there's a geek out there somewhere going,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: what about the made-for-TV casino royale?
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Essentially, within this broccoli series, this is the first one.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: And it is interesting that it's still, like, if I
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: didn't know... it still jumps right in like you're already
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: familiar with this guy. Like you already know the person.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Which I guess, I mean, maybe they're just banking on
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: people reading the novels at that time. You know, it's
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: like 62. Or maybe they're just... It's pretty early on.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Or maybe it's just like Han Solo in the original
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Star Wars. What else do you need to know about
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Han Solo besides the fact that He brags about how
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: fast a ship is and he shoots that guy first
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: under the table. Like, you know, like you assume.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: You just set up your character as though he's fully
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: well realized in his world and he has existed for
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: many years because he... Because in his world he has. Yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: You don't say like, well, here he is showing up
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: bright eyed and bushy tail, like right out of the academy,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: like da da da, like who cares? Like, let's just
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: jump to it.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Here he is.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: He's a person moving on.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: So that's what's going on on the one hand, but
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: it is interesting because it's so early in the run.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: It's so toned down compared to like, everything is like the, the,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: the roots version of what they become. So you do
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: get where he's just, I mean, he's it's a pretty
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: slow paced movie. And like for what still ends up
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: being a breaking into the bad guy's lair, having this big,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: huge building. They're messing with nuclear reactors, trying to mess
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: up space exploration. And I don't know. There's all this crazy,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: you know, grandiose things by the finale happening. But at
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: the beginning, you still get him like going into the
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: office to get his next assignment.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And you still get like he walks in and there's
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: already this weird flirtation with Moneypenny. But it's not near
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: the level of put out a call to HR. That
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: it is in almost every other time when we go
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: to him later down the line. I thought about that
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: as I'm watching. I'm like, man, Bond couldn't exist in
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: a corporate world the way that he behaves in the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: old office there.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, there's a reason we call it the old office, right?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: It's funny, it's so calm compared to that. There's a
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: little bit of flirtation.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: But it won't ever, and even more so from her, like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: he is sort of being playful about it, and she's like, well,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: you never take me out anywhere, really. You know, like, she's, like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: put upon because he's not being the player that he
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: is with everyone else. with her. So like, there's that angle.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: It's also interesting once he goes in the office, like
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: he's like, they don't like, normally he comes in and
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: kicks his feet up on the table. He's like, all right,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: what do you need me to save the world? You know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: like he's so cocky as you move forward. This one,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: he comes in and they're just like, first of all,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: he has to wait out front until they buzz him in. Right, yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you can go in now.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Well, because you get the impression that, look, dude, you're
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: one of many. You're 007, not 001.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: So, like, and it's not, yeah, it's certainly a different
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: world than what even a few movies later it becomes.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: But it's so funny to me that, number one, he,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Instead of, like, by, you know, movies later, it's like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: here's your rocket-firing wristwatch, and here's your lead-plated underwear. It's
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: all these crazy things. Undetectable by normal means. It's all
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: these crazy gadgets. This one, they give him a gun.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: And in the process, this was the part I was
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: in shock, they pretty much call him a sissy for
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the gun that he has.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Because he has this little gun that I swear... They
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: say would fit nicely in his handbag. Oh, wow. I
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, damn.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: I don't remember that line, yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Ya burnt. I was just like, that's... I would not
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: expect that in the world of James Bond ever, especially
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: coming from his own people. Maybe a villain, but it's
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: definitely the world we were in 1962.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Well, hearing that makes me appreciate that bit from Skyfall.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Because one, at the end, they're walking once again into
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: the leather-lined office to talk about the top secret file
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: that he's just laid down. but uh in the beginning
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: what is it uh the new q branch gives him
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: uh a gun and a radio yeah and sending you out.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: There it's a return to simpler times because this one
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: they just basically give him a new gun that's.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Better by the way that is something i'll give a
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: shout out to again like the new bonds uh uh
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: they they they might may have their issues but like
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: uh i really like the new q i like the
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: woman they cast as money penny like i like the
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: dynamic they tried to set up and For all of
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: its flaws, I really liked how Spectre attempted to exploit
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: the new setup. Like you gave M and Q and
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Moneypenny like their own little adventure that they had to
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: do and like all this other stuff. There was a
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: lot going on there that I appreciated. But yeah, I
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: really liked the– again, going on the Moneypenny thing. I
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: really liked in the 90s movies actually kind of dug
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: the– What I always felt was the dynamic there where
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: James Bond tries to flirt with Ms.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Moneypenny. And Ms.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Moneypenny comes back with, you're kind of just my coworker.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: And I've got my own life outside of this. So
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: get over yourself.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not really concerned about you.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: I always kind of thought that was kind of wonderful.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: It's like, of course, he's like trying to like, hmm,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: like this looks interesting. And she's like, I'm a working
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: woman of the 90s and I have no interest or time.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: For this for you in my life. Yeah. Right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Uh but anyway uh yeah so yeah it's been a
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: while since i've seen doctor no but but that's interesting but.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: That was yeah it was just it was it was
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: interesting then going to this week's movie and being like
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: it kind of ends in the same place like it's
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: a different version a lower budget version but but still
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: hell you say but still like kind of in that
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: same scenario so i thought that was interesting also jack
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: lord I don't know that I knew that. I got
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: to the credits and went, wait, huh, I don't know
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: if I've seen him in anything other than that TV series.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: So that was a fun moment.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: What TV series was he in?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: He's Hawaii Five-0.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's, to me, the reason people at the
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: time would have ever known who he was.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: But this was pre-that, so yeah, it's a younger, slightly younger,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: it's only a couple years before, but yeah, he's the
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: American agent, which... Again, it's funny. They always kind of
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: work in a... Working with America. There's always a big
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: American plot in so many of these stories. And it's like, well,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: because this is your audience.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Right, yeah.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: He may be British, but your audience is a whole
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: lot of Americans usually.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Well, it's also not a problem when everyone's going to
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: be dubbed.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: So, speaking of which, we should probably mention the movie
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: that we're doing today, which is... Terror Beneath the Sea.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: But.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so this week we are doing, this month, this year,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: this whatever. Yeah, Terror Beneath the Sea. In this series.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: In this series. Did you name it yet?
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: I haven't named it yet.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: See, if you go back, guys, he put out that
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: he was going to come up with a name.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I probably did.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Thankfully, I knew you were going to drop the ball. So,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: earlier I was thinking... You were the worst host.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: You were the worst host ever. I don't know if
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: anyone's told you that yet.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Why on earth do you have a podcast?
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: But.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: No, no, I was thinking, I was like, well, what,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: you know, just trying to come up with a nice
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: generalized theme to run through these. How about the sci-fi continuum?
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Oh, the sci-fi continuum.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like just the basic use of that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, yes, overall, they're all kind of a
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: series of things that are similar.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Uh-huh.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: And closer inspection, they're all very distinct in their own way. So,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: sci-fi continuum is what I oppose.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: That's pretty good, and continuum has a sci-fi ring to it, too.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: The continuum. Yeah, okay, okay, I'm down with that. I'd
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: be down with that, since I did drop the ball.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm cool.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Just stop laughing. But yeah, so this week's feature is
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Terror Beneath the Sea. Would you like to read us
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: some details about that?
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: The year is 1966.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: You wouldn't believe it looking at the film.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Now, I will throw this one maybe back to you
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: because anyone who has listened to the show before knows
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I will butcher people's directors' names on a regular basis.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Hajime Sato.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: This is my guess based on what I saw.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I will go with that.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Hajime Sato.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: The horrible things I've said trying to name people's names.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: It's scary is what it is.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: And they plot. According to IMDb, which as I looked,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I don't even think they came up with it. It's
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: just a random person who's logged in on IMDb came
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: up with this synopsis, if you will. So while covering
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: a test of guided torpedoes, two reporters believe that they
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: saw what appear to be a strange looking swimming creature.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: They investigate the matter further and discover that there is
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: a race of fishmen living under the sea. The fishmen
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: capture the pair and keep them prisoner in their underwater city. Mm-hmm.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: Good enough.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: It's pretty close. Pretty close to whatever this movie actually is.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Whatever it's about. Which we will go into. Before we forget,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: spoiler alert, we don't want to ruin this movie for you. Oh, no.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: So go watch it now. It might be free on YouTube.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Go look for it. But, yeah, we're going to ruin
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: the hell out of it. So feel free to go
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: watch it beforehand. You have been warned.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and so right off the bat, I just do
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: want to throw out that there are a couple of
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: curiosities about the casting and crew of this film. One
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: is that it was apparently a Japanese-American co-production.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask you. This is
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: such a weird mixture.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: So one of the first things about this movie that
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: will strike you is it is a Japanese-American co-production, which
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: apparently hired a lot of Germans to play Americans. But
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: it's all fine because even though, very obviously... All of
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: the Caucasian-ish people are speaking English, and all of the
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Japanese people are speaking Japanese. Like, you can see their
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: mouths moving. They are all overdubbed. No one has their
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: original voice in this movie. No actor's voices were harmed
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: in the making of this film. Like, they were all
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: just excised and removed. So and I can only imagine this.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: This has actually led me to suspect some things about
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: the movie, which maybe we'll talk about a little bit later.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: But there were scenes where I really did wonder if
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: maybe the actors just were having a really hard time
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: understanding collectively what the direction was. Because, you know, you're–
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: and this is a pretty huge task, right? You're a director. Like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: maybe your English isn't that good. Or maybe you don't
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: have any. Or maybe it's great.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Either way, you're talking to, like, some actors who don't
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: necessarily understand you all that well. And so there are
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: definitely some scenes that– which feature both kinds of actors.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Both nationalities of actors and maybe some Germans too. And
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: they seem to be behaving in ways that it's like
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: only– even they only vaguely understood the blocking of the scene.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: But we'll get into all that. So yeah, this movie is...
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Hajime Sato is the director, and he directed a number
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: of giant monster, kosatsu-type films.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Looking at his list, I'm already potentially putting one on
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: this list. I kind of... One of the other ones
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: might be on our horror list. I'm like, okay, he
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: didn't even make a ton of movies, but I'm like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: all of these sound awesome.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he wasn't a prolific director, but he was
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: one of the directors of the... 1960s, 1970s Japanese monster movie, boom.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: He was one of the professionals in that group, which
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: is why I assume he was given this job. And likewise,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: the starring role goes to none other than Sonny Chiba,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: who is a major figure for those familiar with the
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: history of martial arts films. And even though I don't
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: know his career super well, because I've never been a
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: huge martial arts guy. He pops up time and again
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: in Japanese sci-fi movies and all kinds of.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: He's even in... More than I realized. Yeah, looking at
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: his list, I was like, oh yeah, he started mostly
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: doing that and then started getting.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: All this work on the martial arts movies. Yeah, because
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: it turns out he was amazing at that. But he
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: turns up probably most well-known to Western audiences at this time.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: He turned up in the Kill Bill film. by Quentin
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Tarantino very consciously as Hattori Hanzo, I believe is his name. Yeah,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: the guy who creates the famous swords that are necessary
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: for the main character to defeat everybody. I....
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I think I only briefly mentioned it on the episode
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: at the time, but I did get to meet him. Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't record anything because even in an interaction of like, hey,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I just want you to sign this Kill Bill poster.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: It's it was a rough time. Like he still I
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: don't think speaks much English.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Which in a way makes me. appreciate those scenes in
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: kill bill because he has all these these his dialogue
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: is you know with uma thurman in english most of
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the time so i'm like to take somebody who really
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: doesn't speak the language and not only learn your lines
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: in another language but to be able to put this
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: much weight in it because he becomes kind of this
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: really important figure not just for the making of the
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: sword but also this turn of who you know so
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: he has these conversations with her of like you know
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: what you're doing and what you're about to go do is,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: is kind of bigger than, you know, that's the reason
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I'm coming out of retirement for you. It's like, because
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: this is a big deal and what you're about to
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: go do is a big deal. So like the weight
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: of his scenes with her now seem so much more
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: impressive knowing that like, he's still pretty minimal on his English.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Well, and he is an actor is obviously no slouch
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: because it is his job more than any other actor
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: in this movie to, to carry this film scene to scene.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: He is obviously our dramatic lead, who in the classical
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Japanese fashion, the male lead who is always right about
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: everything ever and everyone needs to listen to him always, right?
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: But with that said, as stock of characters he's playing,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: he has more than enough charisma to really.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Carry the movie.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: This movie is an interesting footnote. I will say that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Starting off, this movie is a curiosity of a film
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: where if you're a person who admires Japanese monster movies, well,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: you may learn that there's actually a pretty large Japanese
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: science fiction scene that's also going on at the same
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: time in the 60s. Godzilla movies reference it with their
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: huge dependence on aliens as plot devices and things like that. But,
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: you know, they like to make a lot of movies
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: about monsters.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Aliens, etc.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: etc. And this movie is an interesting footnote in the
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: careers of everyone involved, whereby we've got A Japanese-American co-production
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: with a large Caucasian cast. Again, I suspect many of
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: them are German. And we wind up in this film
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: that could almost be described more as a spy sci-fi
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: thriller that takes place largely underwater. And again, 1966, so
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: we're at the peak of the Japanese exporting movies overseas. Obviously,
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: this movie was created with at least partially a foreign
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: audience in mind. That's one of the main reasons why
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Japanese producers were eager to get Caucasian actors into their movies.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: So as a result, we wind up with this strange film,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: which features, as was mentioned before, a race of fish
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: people and a.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Lot of long... dark.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Underwater, exploratory scenes, not quite up to the level of
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Jacques Cousteau, let's say.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: So should we start going through it, or do we
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: want to say about anything else?
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I just want to... Because, again, I think that's where
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: we got caught up too much last time.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: So I don't want to hit, like, every beat. Sure.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: But.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: And actually, with this one, it's pretty minimal.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Like, there's only a handful of things to hit. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: think this is a good movie to come off of.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: A good transition movie to move to. Because, yeah, I
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: just kind of wanted to hit more of the specifics
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: along the way.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Good idea.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: And then some of the... Again, what most of my
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: movie reviewing is just like, well... What about this? It's
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: just dumb questions that I have as the dumb viewer.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: So I have several of those I've written down that
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: are more of like sometimes just movie cliches. Sometimes it
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: will be of the subgenres. So that kind of stuff.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: And then some of the real world stuff. Because what
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I realized was by the end, like when I watched
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: it that first time, I was just like, it was fun.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I liked it. It's a good time.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: The more I dug into it, I was like, I
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: like more what spun off of it than maybe just
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: watching the movie. Like, the world that it's immersed in
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: and these people involved, it's like, oh, well, there's this
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: huge amount of movies that Sonny Chiba made that I'm like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I've seen a fraction of them. I really need to
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: go watch those. This director made all these, and it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: like all over the map. It's like, this one's kind
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: of a horror movie. This one's a giant monster movie.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: This one's fish people underwater and kind of a spy movie.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: Well, and one of the interesting things, I mean, America,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: for whatever reason, even though this actually goes against a
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: lot of the literary history of these genres, because when
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: you go back, you look at the 60s, the 70s,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the 80s, find plenty of books that are both sci-fi
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: and fantasy you know that mix those genres pretty freely
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: you know along with other genres and yet we have
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: this desire to draw these like really strong lines between
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: the different genres but if you look at like Mexican
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: cinema if you look at Japanese cinema. If you look
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: at cinema from many other nations around the world, they
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: didn't even presume.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: It's a grab bag. It's just like, what do we
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: want to do in this movie? Wrestlers and Aztec mummies.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Good enough.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Go.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, you've got a lot of flexibility. And this
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: movie basically actually reads as a kind of curious, like
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: I said, a kind of a curious spy movie. The
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: basic plot concerns a couple of reporters. Interestingly, it's a
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: biracial couple. The one is Sonny Chiba. He's our lead.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: And then there is Peggy Neal.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: That's the other most interesting thing.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Did you go into her? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I did, actually, because I discovered that she's actually from
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: my neck of the woods. She's from Biloxi, Mississippi.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: And she apparently moved to Japan. to study at Sophia
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: University and wound up getting involved in some movies.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: She's gorgeous.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: She's amazing in this movie. She's great to look at
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: even though she's not given.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: It was such a specific look. The whole time I
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: kept getting this vibe and I'm like.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: It's just a weird thing. I kept seeing this younger
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: version of Debra Messing with a blonde supermod haircut. Yeah,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: something like that. I kept looking at her face and
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it really is that 90s era.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Younger version of her that like it's a similar shaped
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: face but such a different hairstyle well yeah that that
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: was kind of the look she had going.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: So yeah her she as a person is kind of
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: intriguing uh to me at least because you know being
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: a mississippian you know it's always curious when you run
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: into another one anywhere and you're just like oh how
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: did you get out yeah yeah right how did how
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: did i had to go to japan yeah right and
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: anyway this is what i found out is that is
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: that basically she was in a series uh a series
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: of japanese b movies you know like this one She
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: was also in, this will be known to kaiju fans,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: The X from Outer Space, starring the big space chicken.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: So she's in that flick. And I was like, oh yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: that's what I remembered her from. Because that movie is
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: kind of famous or infamous as one of the maybe
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: worst kaiju movies.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: So we're putting it on our list.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Yes, we're putting it on our list. And for many
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: it's very amusing. It got a great sequel when it returned,
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: I think in 2008 or something like that. But anyway...
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: So the X from Outer Space, the giant space, Gilala,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: I believe was his name.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: She was in that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: And then she just vanishes for a number of years. Anyway,
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Q 2018, maybe? They're making this movie called The Great
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Buddha Return. Which is also a fascinating story. Yeah, which
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: I am deeply curious about. It's a remake, an attempted
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: remake of a vanished 19... Of a lost movie. Yeah,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: from 1934 about a Buddha statue rampaging... all over the
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: place and anyway I'm deeply curious about it I want
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: to see it but the fascinating thing was that apparently
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: they tried to get actors from all these other different
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: iconic kaiju films to be in it just for like
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: little roles here and there yeah bit parts just you
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: know as part of the fun and I like as
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: a practicing Buddhist myself was amused to hear that apparently
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Peggy Neal they finally found her living somewhere in Japan
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: where she's been living all these years and And she
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: was a strict Buddhist and was willing to be in
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: the movie on the basis that she found the idea
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: of a giant Buddhist statue really interesting.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: And that's quite an impressive, like, come out of a
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: 40-year hiatus.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, something like that.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 40 to 50, depending on, if we're talking, like,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: last appearance, because she also turned up in Boys and
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Company C, which was her only, like, she's listed as
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: a Las Vegas free-for-all in 1967.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Which then I was like, so wait, did she come
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: back here and shoot something in Vegas? If you click
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: on it, there's almost no information about it, and it's
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: entirely Japanese. So like in Japan, they're shooting something called
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas free-for-all.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, it was actually shot in Osaka. They tried to
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: make it look as much like Las Vegas as possible.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Looks just like Vegas, I'm sure. Especially with the use
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: of hand models.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: But her only other entry is, I guess, in theory,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: coming back to America, but not really, because they shot
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: that movie in the Philippines. But it's a Columbia Pictures release,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: co-joint effort with Golden Harvest.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: So once again, we see this weird American, you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: kind of working with other studios. But that's, I guess,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: the most American, because it is presented as like an
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: American movie when you watch it. Also, for military fans
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: out there, the first on-screen appearance of Arlie Armey. Oh, wow.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: As a drill sergeant yelling at people.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: What?
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: A shock so the first time we get to see
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: him do that he's done like he was doing like
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: tech work and like being the advisor for stuff like
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: military related stuff but that's the first.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: Time yeah shout out to Arlie who's a friend of
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: the show yeah rest in peace dude yeah he would
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: seem like a good guy yeah well that's good I'm
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: glad I'm glad you got to talk with him and
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: everything But anyway, so yeah, Miss Neal, if you happen
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: to hear anything about this podcast, which I doubt you do.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: I have this feeling that you live in relative isolation
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: wherever you are in Japan. But please, write into the show.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: We'd love to know more about what is apparently a
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: very fascinating life story behind all this. uh, either way, uh,
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: whatever the circumstances of her, because again, she seems to
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: have had this rather fascinating brief career in these movies.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: Nevertheless, uh, she herself, uh, in this movie is given
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: very little to do. I'm, I'm very sad actually to
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: say that her character isn't great. Uh, she basically spends
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: most of her time crying, uh, yelling out and being
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: the damsel in distress. She has a very stereotypical role,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: but I do want to give credit to the producers
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: in that they did produce, uh, Even though the two
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: characters are not presented as being, quote, together, you know?
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Her and Sonny Chiba are essentially presented as a couple
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: throughout the show. Like, it is implied, I would say,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: but not demonstrated necessarily that they are in a relationship.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: In the beginning, it almost feels like there's the early
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: stages of a relationship. Yeah, yeah. And then by the
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: time we get underwater... They never, like, they're just sort
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: of friends the rest of the movie. Yeah, and so,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: but I do want to give them.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Credit because any depiction of interracial relationships, you know, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: things like that are to be applauded for the 1960s. Definitely.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Especially for two cultures that would have equally been unhappy
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: about this.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, we can make... Especially at that time. Yeah,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, we can talk about... A few years later,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: it might be a lesser, but like... I.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Mean, we can talk about Japanese stereotypes of white people
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: and so on and so forth, but at the end
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: of the day... Nobody was really thrilled to see interracial
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: coupling in the 1960s anywhere in the world, at least
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: not that I'm super familiar with. There was any large
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: scale place. And so, you know, this at least, you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: touching in that direction, moving in that direction less today
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: was was kind of a welcome sight, you know, and
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: and she has, I think, some charisma and scream presence.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I think it's a shame that she wasn't given more
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's impressive that she has that on screen
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: because what little you can find out about her, it
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: did say she had never acted before.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: And like basically had done, the reason she looks as
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: good as she does, she had done modeling since she
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: was a kid. Yeah. So I guess this was just
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: like offered to her and she was like, okay.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: But didn't know much about acting basically. Yeah. So this
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: is again, more bonus points for Sonny Chiba.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: She said she learned a lot about acting from him. Oh, okay.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: But it's also, she, like, even then, she was like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: but it was really difficult because he didn't know much English.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: So everything he was teaching her, she said, was a
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: lot with gestures. Oh, wow. So, like, again, how impressive
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: a teacher are you that the language barrier is totally
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: there and you're still able to at least give this
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: person the basics of what she's doing and kind of
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: walk her through as, like, yeah, you've never been on
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: a movie set before, but you're the star of this
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: movie with me, so let's figure this out. Like, so, yeah,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: bonus points to Sonny Chiba for, like, again, just sort
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: of stepping up and being like, alright, we'll make this work, so.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, and so, anyway, it's, again, this is one
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: of those movies, like the last one, where I'm just
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: confident that, like, if you could, like, if you could
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: be a fly on the wall in the back, behind
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: the scenes, like, I'm sure there's a fascinating story unfolding
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: of all these different nationalities hanging out together and trying to, like,
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: sort out how to make this movie, which Has not
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: the clearest plot in the world, you know.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I don't even understand the basics. Okay, well... While we're
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: on that, whose military is that?
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, so here's my theory. And I'm just going to
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: give a very basic overview.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Because they keep saying the Navy, but what Navy? There
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: is no Japanese Navy at that point. No. So there's
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: not a lot of options. Basic overview.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Okay, so we're basically, for most of the story, we're following...
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Two sets of people. One are the two reporters, Sonny
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: Chiba and Peggy Neal, who are two of a gaggle
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: of reporters who are all hanging out.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: But the rest are not important. They immediately fall off.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: And the other are some Navy dudes, who I think
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: are played by Germans, and I kept expecting them to
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: remove their uniforms and reveal Third Reich uniforms.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: At any time. Ha ha! The whole time we were...
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: We're back.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but they've just got... The actors they chose
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: were just so intense and they were always shouting.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: And it's such... When they cut away to those scenes,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: it's so different. They're taking everything relatively seriously in the underwater,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: taking over the world things going on there. But they
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: cut back to them and it's almost like wackiness. It's
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: a weird comedy bit going on. Yeah, with the Navy guys.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: And the funny thing is that the Navy guy's When
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: you first see the news reporters and the Navy guys
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: all together, like I said, the Navy guys are explaining
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: their new homing missile technology in an explanation that didn't
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: make a whole lot of sense to me. And they
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: showed you some video that didn't make a whole lot
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: of sense to me. But either way, they're really proud
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: of these new homing missiles that apparently really work. And
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: then there was like some questions being asked of them
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: by the various reporters about Some of which they were like, oh,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: I'll answer that. And some of which they were like,
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: we're not answering questions at this time.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Or they were like, yep, that sure would suck.
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Next question. It was like, wait, okay.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: So there's a lot of vagueness going on with how
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: these missiles work, whether or not they're good, blah, blah, blah.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: And I'm getting a real suspicious vibe about this Navy.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Also a toss-up of like, You know, let's test it out.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: And if it doesn't work, hell, it might come back
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: towards us. Enjoy this little display.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Have fun, reporters. You might get blown up if this
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: doesn't work right.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, the whole thing is not entirely clear. But
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: either way, the big point is that the Navy is
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: really proud of some new technology. They're showing it to
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: some news reporters, including our heroes. And one thing to
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: mention about this whole thing, this whole movie, I want
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: to get this out of the way, is to say
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: this movie is shot in a very comic book-esque fashion.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: One thing that you will notice if you've seen some
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Japanese films is that they often have a preference for
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: a certain kinetic style of directing where like shots from
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: unusual human angles, like for instance, with both legs splayed
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: while standing, holding a gun, you know, and the cameras
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: between the legs looking at the opponent's. Like, stuff that
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: is reminiscent of Japanese anime, or perhaps vice versa, you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: if you're familiar enough with Japanese cinema.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Or a lot of those kung fu movies that came
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: out of it were super experimental with the way that
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: they did stuff.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so there were times early on in this movie
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: where I was like, I feel like I'm watching Bergman
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: on speed, like, you know. like like like two actors
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: facing in completely different directions talking at each other and
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: then they cut around to the other side and they're
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: doing it again and you're like i don't know where
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: anyone is where anything is i don't know who is
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: talking to who all these weird dutch angles going on
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: all over those but either way it's part of the
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: fun of this film it's just it seems so out
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: of the blue everything that they do and it adds
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: to this kind of like i said comic book-esque, adventurish,
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: action-y feel.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Definitely as it unfolds, because at no point does the
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: next thing that comes along ever seem like that's what's
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: going to happen.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: No.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: You're quite often like, so then they reveal this next
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: big plot point, and you're like, okay. You never saw
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: underwater fish creatures. You never saw some sort of experiment
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: to mess with whatever the like so much of it's
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: big but you're like a lot of it's all right
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: whatever it's just sort of a shrug on your part.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: Like yeah so anyway so we're watching this stuff and
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: we're kind of suspicious the military and we're down with
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: the and we're down with the reporters who then decide
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: uh two of them sonny chiba and our hero are
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: actually going to go over to... They decide they want
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: to investigate something a little bit more closely. And I'm
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: actually not sure whether they want to investigate it or
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: whether they're actually like.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: On a date? On a date or something. Because it
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: kind of reads like that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: But either way, our two lead reporters decide to go
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: what they refer to as skin diving, which is actually
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: just scuba diving.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Which I thought was also interesting since almost in the
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: same sentence, they're like, You know, over there where there's
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: all that toxic dumping.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Let's go skin diving.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about this because this is actually a whole thing.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: They're, like, going to go scuba diving. And as they're, like,
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: on the boat going to where they're going to go,
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: he points to an island. And he's, like, on the
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: other side of that island.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Right there. Not far away. Yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: It's where they dump toxic waste. And part of me
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: is thinking, okay, they can't be that far from a coastline. Like,
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: who the heck is dumping? Oh.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: And this is my theory.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Okay. Is that it's actually the United States military, and
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: this is a United States naval base on Okinawa or
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: something like that. In other words, we're looking at one
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: of the outlying American military bases. And there may be
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: an intent for a subtle commentary here about, like, you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: Americans dumping nuclear waste not that far from where Japanese
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: people hang out on the beach. But this is not
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: reflected in the attitudes of our characters who, rather than
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: being like, that's awful, are like.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Let's... Or we're a reporter. Maybe we should go shed
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: some light on this bullshit. Instead, they're like, well, let's
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: go skinny dipping.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: Let's go, sorry, skin diving. Let's jump into the water
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: and swim around near this nuclear waste, which is apparently
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: not a problem.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Which also brings up one of my general life cliches,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: if not movie cliches. So you're always going to have people,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: if you're going to have an underwater movie where people
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: are going to go jump in the water. And if
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: they're in the situation, if it's not a beach movie
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: where they're just wearing bikinis or whatnot, you're going to have...
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: the people in their, their diving gear. The guy always
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: has a full head to toe covered in rubber. The
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: girls always stops right at the end. And I'm like,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: now I'm not going to ask why I understand why.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: And they do not disappoint in this movie either. There's
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: a nice little hold there. just as she's walking out
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: of frame and i was like oh okay i see
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: where we're going for it that's what's but i was
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: in in every movie like the girl always gets the
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: uh the half.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: A suit yeah and and we shouldn't again doctor no
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: we shouldn't be super surprised no we really shouldn't but
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: at this moment i for myself just an observation i
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: for myself i'm gonna have to hit pause because to
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: borrow some naval terminology i have to.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Hit the head uh.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: So i will be right back If you would like
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: to give a promo for anything, please go ahead and
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: do so.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, now's the time to tell people that they
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: should join the Meltdown Horror Club.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah!
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: And I think we should tell them all about that.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: So, if you've been listening to the last couple of weeks,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: you might have noticed I'm not even taking a commercial break.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: This is an experiment on its own. I kind of
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: wanted to see what it's like to just throw it
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: all in one big shot, rambling for a long time.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: But also because we're not dealing with our previous sponsor
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: at the moment, wherever. So, that, I won't go into
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: the specifics, but it was a call that needed to
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: be made, and we all agree.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: So.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: What I was thinking was, because I've looked into kind
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: of other sponsors, potentially, maybe. But the more I thought
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: about it, I was like, I really don't. It'd be
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: so much better if we didn't have to rely on anyone.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: And we could just kind of do it ourselves. And
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: by ourselves, I mean everybody, like those of you listening
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: right now. So I was going to put out a
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: specific because since since we I made a small announcement
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: saying we didn't have a sponsor. And within that week,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I had somebody kind of step up and join the
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: horror club and be like, hey, OK, let's let's get
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: on board now. So and they'd been putting it off
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: for a while because they even told me they're like,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: And then they this this, I guess, maybe helps be like, oh,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: maybe they need some help keeping this thing going. So
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I thought that was, I was going to put out
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: a post that was just like, hey, if we get
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: people on board with the horror club, we don't even
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: have to go looking for a sponsor. I'd much rather, like,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I don't even think we need that many people to
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: kind of compensate. There wasn't that much coming from them.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: So I would be glad to overtake what they were
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: doing with, you know, fan involvement and listeners and just
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: get people on board with the club instead. So that's
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: a good reason to join the club anyways, to kind of,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: get rid of sponsors. I'm not saying if this doesn't happen,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: we can still find another one, but I'd like to
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: do it this way if possible. So I say go
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: to movie meltdown.com. Look for that Patreon link. Look for
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: that horror club link. And you can join up right
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: now for like two bucks. You can save the show
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: and keep us from playing ads if, if this goes well.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: So that's the plan. Then we also came up with
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: a new addition. As an extra, like, promo, because I've
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: been toying with this ridiculous idea for a while now. So,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: extra tie-in, we're going to kind of do a promo
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: and start this new series? Yeah, we can return to
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: it as regular as we'd like to. So, in coming
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: up with ridiculous titles for things like I need to
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: do for all of our running series, this one we
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: can go with The Meltdown Horror Club presents 20 Ways
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: to Die. So die is the extra. There's an extra
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: geek on the die right there.
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: You know, when you explained this concept to me, I
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: did not pick up on it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: See, and that's why I was like, it's not just
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: horror themed. It's also dorky. So we're... Did you pick
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: up on that?
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Because I don't want to be the only one here.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Puns. We're all about puns. So the.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: The, yeah, the idea I've been toying with anyway, because
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: we always have like our, our, um, before the show
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: conversations weeks ahead of time, we're like, the hell are
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: we going to watch? Which is what all geeks are
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: going through. You're always trying to figure out what you
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: want to watch next. So with us, we're just randomly
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: picking things. Sometimes whatever streaming, sometimes news, sometimes, I don't know, random.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know where some of these have come from sometimes.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: There's a few. I question why the hell we watched
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: it at all. But it's just random now. Whereas I
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: was like, what if we came up with a system
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: or a process? And that way, number one, it would
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: take it out of our hands most of the time.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: We can still, you know, throw in a specific one
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: if we have a reason to. So the die gimmick
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: is we're going to have a 20-sided die for all
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: the extra bonus points of geekery out there. And then
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: assign a horror movie to each of those sides. And
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: then at the end of each episode, we can roll
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: the dice. Die, if you will. And tell you what
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: the next movie is that comes up on the list.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: And then the Horror Club tie-in is that we're going
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: to do a promo right now. We're trying to get
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: people on board anyway, as previously stated. So, we'll say
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: we're trying to get 20 new people on board. So
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: for the next 20 people that come on board at
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: any level, I'm thinking down the line, it might be
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: a little higher up on the tiers, but for right now,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: intro promo, the next 20 people that come on board
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: at any level, starting at $ 2, you can come on,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: you can put a horror movie on the list and
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: then it will be in the running. Every time we
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: roll the dice, yours might be next on the list.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: So that's our fun new, I don't know if it's
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: a game, Process. Pick movies for us. Please.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Please, yes.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: And you can, again, I was checking with them. I'm like,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: you guys are willing to watch.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Whatever, right?
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Because this could be a terrible idea, really. God knows
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: what they could pick for us to watch. We could
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: see some great stuff that we never would have known about.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Or some bad stuff. That's kind of what I want
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: to put. If we're going to have the fine print
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: on this, I kind of don't want super mainstream, giant movie.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like, don't pick Halloween. Don't pick Candyman. Don't pick
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: stuff that every horror fan's already seen. Find something that
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: most people haven't heard of or find something that you
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: love but never really got a big reception from anyone else.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I think that would be a more interesting way is
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: to get a lot of weird random movies and stuff
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: that we probably on our own wouldn't have come across.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: That's another good way to get new input from other
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: people and different stuff on the list. So that's, yeah,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I say number one, don't pick big mainstream horror movies
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: that everybody's already heard of and has seen. And I'm
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: going to go ahead and throw in a line somewhere
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: here that's like, if you're involved in any way with
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: the movie, don't put that on there. I feel like
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: that's a weird loophole for people to be like, talk
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: about my movie on your show. I'm like, no, no,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: we're going to check the credits here. If you're directing
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: writing acting any any level of involvement in this movie
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: don't yeah that's a whole nother type of show so
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: just pick some random horror movies that you like personally
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: put them on the list and then we'll we'll work
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: them in that's our plan that's what we're going.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: With 20 ways to die so if you haven't joined
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: yet just go to movie meltdown.com and look on the
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: right hand side of the page and click where it
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: says join the meltdown horror club Then you'll get all
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: of our exclusive episodes as we delve into frightening films,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: both old and new. So come on, you can be
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: part of the club and keep this terror train running.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: So Doctor No. Big. From Russia with love. Bigger.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Goldfinger.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Even bigger. Now, here comes the biggest Bond of all.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Thunderball.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Now, James Bond does it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Everywhere.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Everywhere. Look up.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Look down. Look out!
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Here comes the biggest bomb of all.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: Albert R.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Broccoli and Harry Salzman present Sean Connery in Thunderball.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Produced by Kevin McClory. Panavision.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: Technicolor. A United Artists release. Thunderball.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Rico Browning.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: Creature from Black Lagoon. I want to thank you for
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: being on Movie Meltdown. Thank you.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Crisp, flavorful fish sandwiches, golden brown and crunchy outside, and
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: tender and juicy inside for a snack or a meal.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: And now, ladies and gentlemen, time for the show. Once again,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: thank you you for coming to our theater tonight. Have
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: an enjoyable evening. The refreshment stand will remain open for
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: a short time. Still plenty of time to get a
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: snack or a cold drink. We'll make an announcement before
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: the stand closes to give you plenty of time to
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: get that last-minute treat.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: All right, so anyway... Everything's back.
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like I said, I think it was just all
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: that talk about water. But anyway, so when they get
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: out there to the nuclear island, sorry, the island beyond
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: which is a nuclear waste site, they decide to go
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: skin diving, meaning scuba diving, into the water. And this
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: is the first of a series of lengthy, lengthy scenes
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: of them.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Swimming or.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: Well, actually, correction, it might not even be them because
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: the masks are dark and it's entirely possible that they
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: just got some, like, you know.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Actual scuba divers. Probably, like, for safety reasons, it's probably
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: a better idea to get, like, professional divers to go
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: do these scenes.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: And so while we're there, like, underwater, that is, we
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: get our first glimpse, hilariously, because they literally just, I think,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: green-screened what was shot and had a character jump in
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: front of it wearing the costume.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: We see.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: A fish person, and it's our first fish person, but
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: we see more of them soon thereafter, and there's.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: A bit of... Lurking underwater. Yeah, and there's actually a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: bit of.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Great drama here, because, yeah, you see, like, the tips
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: of their feet and things like that, you know, there's
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: some creature of the Black Lagoon, and in fact, they reflect.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: It's very creature of the Black Lagoon as it goes on.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but they're in the ocean, and there's one...
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: minor problem with them being actually dramatic in the way
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: that they're being demonstrated which is the creatures look terrible
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: they look so stupid.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: The way that they're put together or because i think
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: the actual design of them is pretty cool the design
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: is cool however the product yeah the finished product if
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: you will suffers a little here's the thing if i.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: Wanted to create a fish person that would insult asian
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: people like this is the design i would go with
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: like this is they have.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: See, I didn't read it like that. I was just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: kind of looking at the other features. But as you
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: say that, I'm like, okay, I kind of see.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they've got really large eyes that all make them
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: look cross-eyed.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Like, all the time. That's the silly part. The rest
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: of it, I like the design on the face.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: And I gotta give them credit because they have a
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: costume that's obviously more functional than many other costumes of
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: the period.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Even though, you know, you obviously see.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: That it's made of, like, bag material or something as
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: they're moving on. Nevertheless, it's... The costumes function, they can
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: swim in them, and they look consistent. I mean, their
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: shark fins that they're supposed to have always can't at
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: one angle or the other, so it's not exactly.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: But again, real world, like the little fin on their ass, essentially. Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: It's always flipped over. And I'm like, that's because that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: guy was just on break a few minutes ago having
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: a sandwich. And he sat on the fin and now
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: it's slanted one way or the other.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: And like I said, the eyes are, well, they just
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: don't look great.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: Those look pretty bad. Yeah, they look pretty great. But
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: the rest of the design is a cool layout.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: But either way, when you first see them, oh my God,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: they're being attacked by some cross-eyed, like, like. fish monsters
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: that shot of them sneaking up behind them is really
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: cool yeah i like the way that was shot that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: does sort of work but anyway so that's basically what
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: happens is they encounter fish people uh so they encounter
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: fish people and uh she takes some pictures drops her
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: camera and then go and then they both retreat and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: go back to uh their room at the hilton or
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: wherever where they're meeting with some important folks including uh
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: the navy guys uh to get a healthy dose of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: misogyny So basically, while they're there, they're talking to some people.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: By the way, again, everyone in this movie is dubbed, bizarrely.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: Because even the actors that clearly spoke English, they were like, nope,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: not good enough. And so not everybody's voice got the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: best voice actor. And in these group scenes, you can
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: really tell that. There was always just the one guy
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: that Carl had to take over because they ran out
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: of voices or something. And so there are some people
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: whose voices just wildly mismatch who they are. And that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: is also part of the fun. Either way, they come
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: back to basically be like, hey, we saw some weird
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: stuff down there. And then the other people in the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: room are like, well, who saw some weird stuff? And
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: Sonny Chiba has to say, well, I didn't.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: She did. You know, and then she's like, never mind then.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A woman.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: And she's totally.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: And by the way, when I say misogyny, I mean
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: flat out like she has the whole you're saying I'm
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: hysterical because I'm a woman. And then the admiral says, well,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: if the shoe fits. Like, I mean, he doesn't say
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: that line, but that's pretty much what he says. And
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: he's like, listen, I'm sorry. I wish I could treat
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: you not as a hysterical woman. And she's like, no,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: I took a picture. And then he's like, really? And
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: she's like, yeah, but I left my camera at the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: bottom of the ocean.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Damn it. Like, so it's really a scene.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: That, I mean, it works. It's like, okay. Like they
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: try to convince some people we saw some fish people
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: and everyone's like, we don't believe you, you know? Both
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: some of the Navy people and some of the newspaper people. So,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: you know, you have your reporters and your establishment both
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: don't believe you. And they're like, okay, so we got
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: to go back. And they go back into the water.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: This time they get captured by the fish people because
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: they get up into a cave, which looks not at
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: all like other caves explored by Captain Kirk during episodes
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: of Star Trek. And... While wandering through, they get captured
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: by some fish people and brought to a very futuristic
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: looking underwater lab, which also looks like the set of
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: Sea Lab 2021 reconstructed by the creators of MST3K.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: It's just super, like, open. You know, it's like what
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: you don't always like. Sometimes as you get these bigger,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: like either James Bond villains or knockoffs that there were
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: many over the years, but it gets like, as it
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: goes on, they have to make it more ornate and more.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: But like this one, and it was funny because Dr.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: No is kind of that same way.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: It's just.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: A big open room, and then we pick some specific
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: things to be like, these are our terror machines. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: But other than that, like, it's just a giant building somewhere.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. But as with many Japanese
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: science fiction films of this period, you see a lot
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: of model work. The submarines in the beginning are models.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: And I gotta say.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: They aren't super convincing, although I found the set of
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: the sub itself that we see in the early parts
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: of the movie to be very convincing. Very well built
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: set with a moving periscope and everything. Although it was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: clearly like a room that's like 12 by 12 at most.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: And yet they still maintain the naval tradition of every
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: time someone says something, you have another guy loudly repeat it.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: Another guy loudly repeat it after that.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: I'm right here, dude.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: Like I said, everyone's kind of crammed into a 12
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: by 12 room. Like there is no need for this.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: but other than that, you have the subs that are
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: clearly models, and you have rockets being fired from the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: subs that have fire underwater.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: Which happens. Yeah, which happens.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of fire underwater in this movie, which
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: is fun, but this place, the evil lair, is a
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: great set. It looks, like I said, like the evil
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: lab in MST3K, except it's underwater.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: It makes me wonder, because that's what I was thinking
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: in the middle. I was like, especially if it's If
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: you're watching Dr. No and they had this giant building,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, there's still a studio picture. But with
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: these guys, I'm like, where did you get? Again, real world.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like, where did you go? What favor did you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: have to call in to get to use this big
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: empty space? Is it a set? Or is it on
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: a lot somewhere? Or is it just some friend's warehouse
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: you know? And you turned it into this.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: And this, by the way, when I say futuristic, I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: mean right down to the fact that our main characters
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: are redressed in outfits very reminiscent of of the hyper-futuristic
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: clothing given to Austin Powers at the end of that movie.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: White boots is what we need. White boots. I hope
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: you enjoy your futuristic outfits, Mr. Powers.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: That is exactly what you're looking at. These guys are
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: in high-collared, all-white outfits that make them look super groovy.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Those boots are really cool. Yeah, yeah, they are.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: And curiously, as we will discover in later scenes, Like
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: all protagonist boots in these kinds of movies, all the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: guards have shoes that are hard-soled that click on the.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: Well, of course.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Whereas all the heroes always have these soft rubber
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: soles that make no sound as they move around.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Sneaky. Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: And I'm just saying, like, man, if you... If I
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: was an evil overlord, like, shout out to the evil
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: overlord list, like, I would put bells on those people. Like,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: why on earth do you want them to be able
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: to sneak around so well? But that's all coming down
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: the pipe. Until then, we're going to meet our bad guy.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: And our bad guy is, you guessed it, like a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: pair of mad scientists, including one that our guys have
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: heard of and one that we haven't. The one that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: we have heard of, we hear some backstory to that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: isn't important. The only thing important is that apparently he's
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: dealt with this idea of like a future civilization. And
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: they're all really unhappy about the conclusions he came to.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: And the other guy that we haven't heard of is
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: a dude who wears sunglasses all the time.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Even though they're not only not in the sun, underwater.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure the sun's not going to get to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: you there.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: But luckily, he wears them just to let us know
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: that he's the bad guy, along with his sinister smirk.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: He's got a nice, hearty laugh, too.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: And it turns out that they, along with their assistant,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: played by a woman who auditioned for Bride of Frankenstein...
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: uh are together going to remake the world their plan
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: is in fact to create a race of fish cyborgs
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: to use as an evil army to conquer the world
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: that that i mean.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: I now do you understand mr obby What you see
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: here is a water cyborg.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: In the middle of the movie. I'm just like, wait.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Fish cyborgs? Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: See, it turns out that they're not just fish men. But,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: and this is the opening to probably the most memorable
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: sequence in the entire movie. And if you're going to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: watch this movie for a reason, this is probably the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: reason you watch it. We talked before in our previous movie,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: Atom Age Vampire, about, like, cool transformation processes.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: This is essentially the same process but done on a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: much grander scale with better effect, I would argue, where
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: you have– they take a person, like a human being,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: and they show how they turn him into a fish man, right?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: And this is a process. They're like, we can do
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: this easily. It turns out it's not easy. It involves, like,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: some very invasive surgery where they insert some lungs into
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: him that look like Cap'n Crunch. Okay, but ultimately the
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: point is, by the end, they've got these fish cyborgs. Like,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: that's how they refer to them, is like water cyborgs
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: or something.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I kept trying to figure out what they were supposed
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: to be. I'm like, are they actually like, is that...
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Is it creature from the Black Lagoon like fleshiness?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Or they're kind of silver. Are they supposed to be robots? Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: In the cyborg half of them.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: But apparently the answer is somewhere in between.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I know. It's like they don't ever really clarify.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: So they put this dude, this poor hapless dude that
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: we don't know about into like a tube. And he
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: gets some stuff glued to him in progressive photography. And
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: it looks really cool.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: Like I said, this is like the nerd takeaway is
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: this cool transformation scene.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: That and the cross-eyed fish monsters with harpoon guns, who
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: are better than guys with actual guns.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. By the way. But that's coming later. Point
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: is that this guy.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: Gets very elaborately transformed into a monster, at which point
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: they then lay him out on a bed and, like,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: cut him open and put in new lungs and all
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: this stuff. And then they've got a fish robot.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: they demonstrate that through the means of these hypersonic radio
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: signal whatever, they can make them do all these different
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: kinds of things. And they've got a helpful dial that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: turns from work to fight.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: As long as there's a knob involved, you know this
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: is legit.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: Yep, that's science. There's a lot of knobs, actually, in
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: general in this movie. This movie really goes overboard with
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: the showing up of the hand on the knob, including.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: At one point, a.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: Cosmic ray meter that the submarine has.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, but that's got a cool countdown clock.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: I so want one of those. Like, that should be
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: what wakes me up in the morning. I reach over
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: and hit snooze on my giant, you know, countdown nuclear
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: meltdown clock. Whatever the hell that is. With a flashing
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: red light. But I want those physical numbers that flip over. Yes.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm looking for.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: That counts down from a bizarre number like 90. Like
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: it counted down from like 90 or something. It was
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: some weird– it was like– what was it when Frau
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: again in the– I kept thinking about the Austin Powers
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: movies when I was watching this. I kept thinking about
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: Frau when she starts the counting from like 30, 29, 28.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: It's like I don't know why you started from there
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: but okay.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Like– Anyway, on the knob, though, I'm like, I think
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: we definitely see work and fight. I feel like there's
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: a stop that we get to later when they're all frozen.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what are their settings? Is there nap? Is
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: there do taxes? Like, I mean, what? What? All how
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: many sub settings do we have on this? I was like,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: what are the other?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: Switches i mean exactly yeah i was like i was
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: like do they have a massage mode yeah.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: I mean i think we're overlooking some important things if
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: you're not putting that in there quick.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: Set the fish cyborgs to vibrate uh but anyway we've.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: Hit a whole new movie which i was watching the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: other day on midnight pulp uh and you can too
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: uh but anyway uh but anyway yeah so so so
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: they they demonstrate that we can get these fish cyborgs
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: to fight each other And to work and to do
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 7: whatever else it is that they do.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: And our heroes are right impressed. And sure enough, they're
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: bought into this. And we have a great scene of
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: two fish cyborgs beating the crap out of each other.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: After which, he just like turns the knob to work
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: and they just go back to work like it's no
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: big deal.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Morning, Sam.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: Morning.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: Go punch in. It didn't even happen.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: And he explains how they've turned them, like they've removed
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: all their sentience. They're basically just automatons doing what they're told, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: Which is what we're really looking for in a society.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: Right, exactly.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: Never mind.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: Well, because no one ever won a war by having
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: soldiers that could think for themselves.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: Don't think for yourself. Come on, be one of these cyborgs.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: That sounds like World War I, and we know how
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: that worked out. Anyway, the point is, is that is
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: that sorry, World War One buff. So I'll bring it
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: into everything. But the is the most boring war I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: could find to be be a buff of. But anyway,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: so so yeah, so so they are heroes. The two
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: journalists see this and they get right impressed. And they're like, yeah,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: you better believe that's going to.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Take over the world.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: And then sure enough, our big bad comes and is like,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: join me. And by the way, when he says this,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: he's not really talking to the girl. He's talking to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: the Sonny Chiba.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Sonny Chiba. Of course. Why would you talk to a woman? Right.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: And he's like, join me. And Sonny Chiba's like, that's terrible.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: Why on earth would I join you? And he's like,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: because you could be like our propaganda maestro, like Goebbels,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: you know? It'd be awesome if he doesn't mention Goebbels.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: But, you know, that's basically it. That's the pitch. I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: guess the only reason that this spy movie... happens to
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: have reporters in it.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: Because otherwise, there's no reason that reporters are at the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: bottom of the ocean dealing with this. Yeah, or investigating,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: or not investigating nuclear waste, instead investigating the fish people,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: you know. But he says, the alternative won't be too pleasant.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, that puts a pretty fine point
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: on it, doesn't it?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it really does. And anyway, so our hero
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: naturally refuses to, At which point they're like, cool, we'll
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: turn you into fish people.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: No big deal.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: And our hero then gets put into a chamber and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: we cut back to our heroes, I should say, get
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: put into a chamber and we cut back to Navy people.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: And here's the weird subplot with the Navy people is
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: the whole time they're completely ineffectual.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: They do nothing.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: Except for show up at the end and fire some rockets.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: But the whole time we act like there's this big important.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: They're fighting back and forth about what they can do
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: and should do. And I'm like, Oh, do you know
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: what you're talking about? And do we care?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: And no, because suddenly one of them, I couldn't distinguish,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: but they're both German. So who cares? Uh, One of
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: them is, like, really concerned for some reason because the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: Navy does a 180. At first, it seems like they're clearly, like,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: trying to manufacture some consent here. And they're, like, you know,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: evading questions and stuff. But now that our two, like,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: reporters have vanished, one of the Navy guys.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: Is like, oh, my God. He's my friend. I got
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: to save him.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: We got to save him. We got to do everything
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: we can. Also, maybe that woman he's with.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: Who knows? She's pretty. I like her.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right. And anyway, but his friend, sorry, his subordinate, his.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, really. They just argued the whole time.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and by the way, when we say argue, we
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: mean like these two dudes who, again, looking very German
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: to me in their uniforms and everything.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: The distracting thing, the entire thing, in their mismatched, unmarked uniforms.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: They're wearing what should be white navy. That's why I'm like,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: whose military is this? Because there are no American flags
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: on it. There's some gold detail that makes you think, ah, navy.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: But then they're also, and like I saw somewhere else online,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: somebody called them out and was like, in the military,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: you cannot mix and match. Because at one point, they're
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: wearing pants that are almost the tan... And then the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: dress military white uniform up top. And I'm like, you can't, no,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: that looks stupid for one thing. And in the military,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: they don't fly with that kind of stuff. Yeah, no,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: it turns out they do in fact have some standards.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like this was just costuming of like what
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: they had. Like, we got these pants, we got that jacket,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: shut up and put them on, speak German.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: But so we get a series of scenes with these
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: guys who are, which are essentially, and I don't want to,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: I don't want to understate this when we say they're shouting.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: We mean like, two dudes, muscly dudes, wearing military uniforms,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: whose brims of their hats are, like, touching, and they're, like,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: shouting tensely into each other's face, and the whole time,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: all I can think is, wow, these guys have a
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: lot of repressed stuff going on.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: Like, that's what I'm feeling. I hope they don't get
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: locked in a big metal tube underwater together, because, oh, wait.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's how all of those scenes feel.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: They feel so, like, tonally not what they're going for
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: like they want to convince you this is some tense
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: military scenario.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: But instead this ain't crimson tide But instead, all I'm
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: thinking is, God, these two really want to go at it.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: Like, they're just desperate, and it's really leaking out in
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: all of this military jargon, but it doesn't pertain to anything.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't have any effect down the line. Even
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: within the scene, it has no real effect.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: And moreover, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Dude,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: you're like Captain of, sorry, you're like General of the Navy,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: or whatever you're supposed to be.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: You know, like they have in the Navy. Yeah. And
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: mismatched Navy. Yeah.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: So like your general, the mismatched Navy, like just send
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: a boat, like, like it's not rocket science. You don't
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: have to like, you don't have like, like you don't
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: have to violate an international treaty to go investigating some
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: lost reporters. None of this is as high intensity as...
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: You could just send a guy. They went just scuba diving.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: You could send a guy to go scuba dive. Especially
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: since they're not military.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: So they're not on a mission for you that would
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: then be compromised. They're two random reporters that probably need saving.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: Or heck, just call the cops. Japan has a Coast Guard...
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: They can go looking for missing persons.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: Probably be handy in this situation.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and hell, you, as the general of the mismatched Navy,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: you could probably give them an okay to go looking
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: next to this totally legal American nuclear waste dump.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Like, who cares?
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: Anyway, but they play it like it's this huge intensity scene.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: Mainly so I think these guys can just have something
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: We needed a B plot, sort of, if you want
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: to call that a plot.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: Well, and we also needed something to, I think, raise the, quote,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: international tension so we feel like this circumstance is a
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: lot more global than it really is.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: Or maybe more realistically global. round it out so we're featureling.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: Because it's still kind of a short movie. It really is.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: So without those scenes, it might have been under an hour.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: You're absolutely right. But either way, the sequences of the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: Swimming underwater and the international stuff and, like, being even
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: in the villain's base, all of it feels very much
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: like a pastiche of early Bond in a lot of
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: ways and vibe and in tone.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: Which is why I think it's funny that there's no
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: secret agents in this thing that wraps up totally like
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: a secret agent knockoff Bond movie.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Instead, Bond fights fish people, and Bond is Sonny Chiba.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Who does display... Which, all of that sounds awesome.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it really does.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: More so than this comes together, really.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Sonny Chiba even displays a little bit of
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: his fighting prowess. He jumps up on some tables, he
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: pulls some maneuvers, he does some cool stuff. But mainly,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: what's going to follow from here is a series of, okay,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: we're going to try to escape... We're going to steal
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: a badge from Bride of Frankenstein.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: First we get the, we're going to turn you into
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: fish people. Wait, we stop halfway through. So you're kind
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: of half fish people now with weird, like, some latex
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: stuck on your face that.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: We didn't finish the makeup job. I honestly think it's
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: phyllo dough. It's like that very papery dough that you just.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Stick to people. It kind of feels like when you're
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: putting glue on your hand, peeling your hand off. They
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: kind of just did that on their face. Sort of
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: flaps of fake skin.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: It barely matters because it mostly rubs off by the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: end of the movie before they... But she's really upset
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: She does not like being not pretty. Shout out to.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: Adam Age Vampire, going back to that, because once again,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: we have a female character who, after receiving some minor
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: modeling under her chin... as a result of this phyllo
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: dough stuck to her is like, I'm a hideous monster
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: and I have no reason to live.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, literally, she essentially said, like, my quote was
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: to myself as I'm watching it. I'm like, if I
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: can't be pretty, I don't want to live. Yeah. And
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's, not really how things ought to be.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: And not only that and also not only that but
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: you're clearly into sunny chiba he's clearly into you like
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: you do have he.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: Doesn't mind that you're a half fish woman.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah and you're and he's a half fish man like
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: you're perfect for each other oh by the way i
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: do want to throw out that uh one of the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: weirdly specific things about the process that is mentioned by
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: the uh director of this institute the evil director with
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: the sunglasses on is that all gender is removed So
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: like there is no like male or female with respect
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: to these fish people topical. Uh, but no, seriously though, it's,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: it's like, it's this really, it's, it's, it comes out
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: of nowhere. And I feel like at that moment, Sonny
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: Chiba and, and Peggy Neal just look.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: At each other like, like, Oh, he's planning on using
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: that stuff.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, another thing about that transformation sequence, uh,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: they decide to pad it out by like literally after
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: every scene change, they cut back to Sonny Chiba and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: Peggy Neal. Like, looking horrified or curiously or whatever like
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: yeah so so it's like a lot of like look
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: at the monster look at the them look at the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: guy becoming a monster look at them look at this
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: yeah well now they've become like half fish monsters and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: the process gets interrupted and they try to escape okay
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: and there's literally somewhere in here a scene where once
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: again and this is just again like the era in
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: which it was made Sonny Chiba grabs Peggy Neal, who's like,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: I don't want to live anymore because I'm not pretty.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: And he, like, smacks her and is like, listen, you
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: need to shut up. And you need to do exactly
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: what I tell you to do if we're going to
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: get out of this, okay? Like, he literally, like, lays
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: down the law on her. And she's like, you're right.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: I was wrong to complain.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. It's awful. But.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: With that said, again, like luckily it's a relatively brief
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: bit and Peggy Neal's character just doesn't have a lot
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: to do except for.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not her fault. Yeah, except for.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: Being except for being damsel in distress and being sad.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: And I guess that's supposed to try to raise the
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: emotional ante of the scene a little bit. But whatever
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: the point is, they're real upset. But Sonny Chiba is
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: going to get us out of this. Right. So then
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: we start trying to sneak through the whole facility. And
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: we essentially come to a sequence of scenes that results
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: in the following three things. And I'm just going to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: wrap it all up as quickly.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: As I can.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: The first is we get a great speech by Other Doctor.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: Not Sunglasses Doctor, but Other Doctor. About the world and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: how screwed up everything is and how we're going to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: fix it. It's a great evil villain speech.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: And how do you fix it? Waste can be converted
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: to power.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, it is a pretty good idea. We've
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: got a lot of waste and we need lots of power.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: By the way, I'm going to kick off what I
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: hope to be an ongoing thing. Quote of the film,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: waste can be converted to power. That is the quote
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: of this film.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: So... Words to live by, Pete. Yeah.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: Words to live by. Waste can be converted to power.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Also... a way to think about watching.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: Old movies that are terrible or moderately good. Anyway, so
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: they sneak around the facility. They get caught. They hear
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: the great scientist's speech. And eventually two things happen. One,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: they manage to destroy the evil machine, the evil pinball
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: machine that controls all of the evil fish people and
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: make them immediately turn on their computers.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: That's why I was trying to decide. I was like...
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: wait why did they turn i mean granted they're an
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: oppressed group of cyborgs but like immediately they're just like
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: and we hate these guys and i'm like they're on
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: your side good for you yeah andy and by the way.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: I like to hypothesize that this is because like the
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: creators thought that they had no thoughts in their heads
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: but actually they are conscious they know exactly what's.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: Going on suppressed the whole time so as soon as
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: you turn off that machine it's like Oh, I'm going
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: to beat your ass.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: I've had enough of you. That would be my theory.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: Bring all my fish people down. So we cut.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: To the worst series of gunfight scenes you've ever seen
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: where this army of researchers all armed with pistols with silencers.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: That was one of my questions. Why do all, like
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: if one of them maybe, but they all, like standard
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: issue is a pistol with a big ass silencer on it. Well,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: I've got a theory. I kind of do, but yeah,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: what was yours? Well, mine is.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: That what the silencer actually does is it slows down
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: the bullet slightly so that like that sonic boom that
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: it creates, like that's what silences it. It's not that
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: silencers actually make things quiet, like they're pretty loud. They're
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: not as loud.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: But it slows it down so that it doesn't like,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: you know, create that little sonic See.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I thought. Because they're underwater, maybe that would
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: be way too much. They would all be deaf within
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: a few gunshots.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: Well, or if it's slowed down enough, it's less likely
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: to penetrate the hull or something like that. But either way,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: they've all got these stupid guns with silencers. And they
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: all act like nerdy college students who have never fired
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: guns before. And meanwhile, you've got these Terminator fish people
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: coming at them. Who take multiple bullets to the face and, like,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: don't even slow down.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: And are armed with spear guns, which are way cooler. Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: 100%.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: And either through spear guns or through raw physical violence,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: murder them a whole lot of interns. Like, all the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: interns who have been working in this underwater evil lab
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: for Sunglasses Guy and Other Doctor Guy... Uh, they are
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: all straight up murdered. And the other doctor guy, he
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: specializes in something called process something or other. And I
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: forget what it is, but either way, anyway, yeah, there's
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: some phrase that he had that I kept wanting to
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: bring up, but I forgot it.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: Anyway, it doesn't matter.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: Point is, is that, so we cut to a lot
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: of scenes where only through the barest of luck are
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: like some of the sunglasses, doctors, troops, or excuse me,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: his interns with pistols able to subdue like two fishmen
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: and survive.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: For the time being.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: And meanwhile, the Navy has somehow gotten their crap together
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: and decided to attack this underwater base.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's by accident. Yeah, pretty much. They're not
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: real competent.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they spent too much time yelling at each other,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: barely compressed sexual frustration.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: But here they are.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Finally, they've got their boat. And here we actually see,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: I guess, the seed that they were trying to plant
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: about homing missiles. Like now, they use the technology they
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: hinted at at the beginning. To bring down the facility
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: run by the evil guy. So they attack it. And
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: there's some rockets flying back and forth. Big scale action
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: performed with very obviously small scale models.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: I had so much fun with those models.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: Like, the shot of all the different toxic waste barrels
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: clearly marked toxic waste. Yes, which you would do. Those
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: were awesome. The whole little, like, underwater city that they built. Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: I want that on the bottom of my aquarium.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: Agreed.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: I don't have this aquarium yet, but I would get
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: one if I could put that little city down there.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: Agreed.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: Those were really fun. I enjoyed those. Yeah.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: So, and meanwhile, this running firefight is happening, and our
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: two half-fish people protagonists Are trying to get away. And
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: in the meantime, they confront our villains. And I think
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: the other Doctor gets like, murdered by one of his creations.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: And Sunglasses Doctor does actually get, like, killed by our protagonists.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: But in his final scene, they actually take off his
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: sunglasses and then show an extreme close-up of his face
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: when he first appears. Which, by the way, this movie
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: loves its extreme close-ups. They show an extreme close-up of
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: his face, so that when he first steps into the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: shot to get killed, I'm like, who's that?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: You can't only identify him by sunglasses and then take
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: off his sunglasses. Right, exactly. Like, that was his only
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: distinguishing feature, and now... And one of the two, I think,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: they also do the classic, again, back to our movie cliches, where...
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: The bad guy's there. He's got the gun. Our hero's trapped,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: usually on the floor, about to get shot. Almost like
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: just coming to terms with it. Curl up into a ball,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: wait to get killed. And we hear the gunfire go off.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: And then he's like, wait, I'm not shot. Hold on.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: And then someone from behind, just out of the scene,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: instead fires the gun and kills the bad guy. Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: How many times? I'm like, what is the first time
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: that happened in a movie? Right. And it just doesn't
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: ever get old. Because, like, a movie I watched recently, like,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: I barely, like, been the last year made. And I'm like,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: and it happened again. I'm like, it just, it's always
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: a go-to way to wrap up a finale there.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: Well, and it's always funny to me because when you
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: think about it, who gets shot in the back and
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: doesn't know?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: Like, it's like, oh, how did.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: I get shot in the.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: And it's always such convenient timing that I'm like, were
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: you here 12 seconds later? Your friend would be dead.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: So it's a good thing you came through that door
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: when you did.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: And I was actually kind of pissed off about this
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: because not only... So you think in that scene... And
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: I totally forgot about this subplot because it does not matter. No.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: But at some point, they kidnapped some other scientist. The
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: other guy is the one with the gun.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Other scientist, yeah.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: Random third guy. Yeah, random third old guy, I might mention.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: So I was thinking, oh, finally, Peggy Neal's character will
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: kill the bad guy in the end.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: That would be pretty cool. Of course not.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: She spent the whole time being afraid, but you know what?
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: Mustered the courage and finally in the end, murdered the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: bad guy.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: That would be cool. That would be pretty cool.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: Nope.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: Not what happens. This super nerdy scientist guy. Who is old.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: Grabbed a gun. Grabbed a gun.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: And took out the bad guy. A character with whom
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: we have little to no investment whatsoever.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: So anyway. So yeah. I'm sure we've sold you.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: On this movie. If you're looking for a film free
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: of sexist delight. But I will say though. That overall.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: Again. If you're a fan of.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: Japanese science fiction. If you're a fan of cheesy 60's movies.
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  Speaker 5: I will say this movie was great for the laughs.
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  Speaker 3: It's fun. It's a lot of fun. If you like
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  Speaker 3: those kind of movies, it's enjoyable. It's not great in
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  Speaker 3: any one area, but all of it comes together to
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  Speaker 3: be a good time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You got some weird looking fish people. You get some
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  Speaker 5: pretty inventive little fight scenes. You get a lot of
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  Speaker 5: really inventive camera angles and things like that. So the
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  Speaker 5: way the story is telling itself is clearly going for broke.
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  Speaker 5: It's real fun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And you get some good model work. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if you're like, oh, what am I going
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  Speaker 5: to watch this afternoon at the beach? Well, this great
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: movie about undersea adventures with some fish people and some models,
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  Speaker 5: it might be worth your time.
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  Speaker 3: And don't worry, she goes back to being pretty. In
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  Speaker 3: the wrap up, the other scientist guy who killed the
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  Speaker 3: bad guy, old guy, he knew the secret to undo
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  Speaker 3: the halfway done fish process that they were midway in.
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  Speaker 3: So Sunny looks handsome again. She looks pretty. Her last
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: little scene where they're like, here, here's your phone call.
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  Speaker 3: She like flips over and is like the cliche teenage
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  Speaker 3: girl on the bed like talking. Anyway, like she's just like,
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  Speaker 3: it's adorable. But I'm like, it's like it's so out
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  Speaker 3: of place in this moment.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's baffling because it's like she has a call
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  Speaker 5: with some person that I have no idea. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think I've ever seen them.
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  Speaker 3: But it's supposed to be important. to us too I
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  Speaker 3: guess and it's.
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  Speaker 5: Like dude why don't we just get the reveal with
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: the people that she already knows why does she have
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  Speaker 5: to take a phone call from some random other character
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  Speaker 5: that we've never heard about but she.
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  Speaker 3: Looks like yeah teenager on her bed with her feet
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  Speaker 3: kicking up behind her.
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  Speaker 5: Going anyway and yeah and whatever so that finishes and
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: then our final scene is her and Sonny Chiba once
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: again going to go like spend some time in the
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: ocean together this time with I think their arms around
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: each other Or at least close to each other.
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  Speaker 3: Again, leading to, potentially, there's a relationship here.
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  Speaker 5: But again, to add to, yet again, the confusing male
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: relationships in this film, Sonny Chiba's last act is to
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: blow a kiss to another male reporter.
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  Speaker 3: Uh so we also had the footprint fake out yes
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: oh yeah i forgot about that because which again like
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: isn't really explained like what we see makes no sense
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: so if it actually happened so.
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  Speaker 5: Okay yeah the uh the one of the last scenes
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  Speaker 5: opens up with uh and and this kind of directing
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: is all over the place there's a lot of weird
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: really weird camera movement and things well you you have
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  Speaker 5: some scenes of some fish looking fish footprints like on
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: the beach and you're thinking oh Oh, no, maybe the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: fish people escaped.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them have survived for the sequel. Yeah, or
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: something like that.
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  Speaker 5: And then the camera, in this very herky-jerky manner, goes
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: up through the footprints and looks... Or goes along the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: footprints and then looks up to one of the Navy guys.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: There's a Navy guy who's, like, looking at the footprints
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: like he's really concerned and then looks up and... And
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: with a relieved smile, says hello to Sonny Chiba wearing
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: flippers with Peggy Neal.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: And suddenly the footprints now look like the flippers instead
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: of the creature from the Black Lagoon feat that they
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: were two seconds ago. Sure, whatever. Anyway, and then that's
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: the end. I don't understand how that magically happened.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: And this is our Navy guy who spent most of
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: his time screaming in barely concealed sexual frustration at his
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: other Navy guy. And then Sonny Chiba turns around and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: blows him a kiss as he walks into the water
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  Speaker 5: with the girl.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, okay. That's our big ending.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah. I would say that this movie... I'm not.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: Sure if any of our movies deserve ratings in that respect.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like putting too fine a point on it.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: I like the way to deal with all of these
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: movies is just... a roundabout discussion that you bring up
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: some interesting points, you point out some crazy things, and
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: then by the end, you don't know that you really
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: landed anywhere versus where you started.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, if you want to see an early Sonny
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: Chiba in a James Bond film where he is not
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: James Bond fighting some fish people.
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  Speaker 3: Or a secret agent. Yeah, secret agent.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: Fighting some fish people in an underwater city in cheesy
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: 60s model land of Japanese sci-fi... This would be a
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: great movie for you.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: And you know what?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: I bet there are some sequences that would even spook
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: the kids. Because, like, you've got a cool monster transformation sequence. And,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: you know, heck, I bet those critters would be pretty creepy.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: Again, that one shot where they're... I think it's when
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: they just get into the cave underwater. And, like, they're... Like,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: we're watching... like Sunny and her like walk towards us
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: and the fish people are coming behind them and they
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: don't see them. That's a cool setup on that shot.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that looks great. That looks like old school
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: horror movie, like monster sneaking up behind you. Like that's
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: a cool, genuine, creepy moment. And like, yeah, so there's,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: there's good stuff along. There you go.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So anyway, I would recommend it for those reasons.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: And again, I would say that for, for a day
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: in from the beach where, you know, you're trying to
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: avoid getting COVID, uh you know and uh some of
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: you are some of you aren't uh we don't judge
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: uh but we do we uh we do uh put
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: on your mask people uh or become a fish person
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: or become kind of prefer that we start.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Turning people into fish people now uh that would be.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: An easier way to manage the world's resources because waste
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: say with me waste can be power yes uh quote
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: of the film uh Okay, anything you want to bring
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: up about this particular flick?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: I think that covers it. I think we hit all
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: the finer and interesting points along the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: Did you have any other questions about this movie or
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: anything that you wanted to investigate?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: No that's what it led to by the end like
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: again i watched it i'm like that was fun but
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: then like learning more about the director seeing the other
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: stuff he made learning what she like her crazy story
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: and disappearing and coming back for a return to the
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: weird crazy japanese monster movies so it's like yeah all
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: of this mixed in with go watch some more sunny
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: chiba like it all led to a lot of like
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: cool stuff adjacent to it. So this is a nice
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: movie to lead you to maybe better things. You know,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: it's fun, but there's probably some better things that they're
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: connected to that you can use this to lead you there.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, coming off of this, I mean, Sonny Chiba made some,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: what I'm told are classic martial arts films from the 1970s.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: The whole Street Fighter series. Yeah, the whole Street Fighter series, yeah.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: And Peggy Neal was in The X from Outer Space,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: which again, if you want to see the giant space chicken, Gilala,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: I recommend it. and Toei Studios is of course a
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: very important studio in Japan at this time and yeah
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: so I mean like there's a lot of connections Hajime
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: Sato I.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: Was gonna say we'll probably be discussing some of this
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: with any luck cause yeah there's a few I'm already
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: like just based on the title this shot from the
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: trailer like this all looks way too much.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: Fun but again if you want a spy movie that's
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: not a spy movie featuring some fish people for an
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: easy afternoon of PG fun like I would say that
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: this movie is pretty good. And, you know, just, just,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: you know, just kind of be sure to talk to
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: your kids about, you know, how well in those days,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: like that was okay, but now it's not, you.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: Know, it's good that the cultures have gotten together. We
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: probably shouldn't treat the woman. Let's overlook this part and
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: enjoy the fish. But really seriously.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: I will point out that for us, that stuff is
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: really magnified, but it's like a couple of scenes in
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: the movie.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty manageable. Again, she's so unimportant that it's
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: not even a major part of the movie when these
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: things happen. Yeah, it says more about it, I suppose.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what the movie is way more interested in is
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: long shots of underwater and lots of model work and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: lots of rockets.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: On fire underwater.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: And that stuff's the fun stuff. So this movie is
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: mostly about the fun stuff. And I think it's a
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: good little palate cleanser from the really dense exploration we
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: did of Battle Beyond the Stars. Which, to be fair,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: is a movie with way more hallucinatory scenery.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: There's just a lot more going on. This one is
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: simple compared to that movie.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: It's actually much more akin to Adam Age Vampire.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: In that respect. It's a very simple tale that Some
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: things work, some things don't, but it's fun.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and hopefully, I mean, that's part of the goal,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: I hope, from the Sci-Fi Continuum series is that we
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: won't be always uncovering classics, but we will be uncovering
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: things that play their role in the continuum of science
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: fiction cinema.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: And we're going to have to mix it up. As
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: we said, we're trying to shoot for a different decade
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: each time. And I was looking at the list and
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: there's a whole lot of 60s. So as you mentioned earlier,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: you like your 60s sci-fi movie. So we're going to
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: have to work a few other decades in there.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I decided to throw that on because I think
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: our last one was in 1980.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got 80.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: We've got one more 80 on the list. Yeah. There's
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of 60s.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: That's why I threw those out was because I was like, well,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: 70s and 80s. I could go with 90 and 89,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: but I want to get us some distance. So now
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: we can jump into either the 70s or the 80s,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: and that's fun.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: So we'll see. If you have some ideas, hey, email in.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Let us know some other things we need to work
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: into this crazy sci-fi series.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're really eager to hear any movies that you
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: guys would like us to watch and talk about because
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: we got nothing better to do.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: And there's plenty to choose from because we're finding things
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: like this that, like, who knew this was a movie?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Crazy underwater fish people that are actually cyborgs.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: I'm really just going off of what Amazon recommends.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: And we don't trust them, so we would rather trust you.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, exactly.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: Fire up your email machine and get it into us.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: And we will watch weird, kooky crap that.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: Comes our way.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: Brian, closing words?
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  Speaker 3: Waste converted to power!
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: seeing Geek Feed.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for listening.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: Terran!
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: Vanitas-y! Vanitas-y!
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: Vanitas-y! Terran!
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: Vanitas-y!
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: Vanitas-y!
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: Vanitas-y! You must give me all the fish, man!
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: Glowing!
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Flaming! Radio-wrecking horror!
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: Justice! Drowning! Dreamer!
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: Infestigate! Next week on Political Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: All I know is, when it comes to Nazis, I
• 1:42:43
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  Speaker 7: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed.
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