Latest / The Dave Allen Show / 09/04/26 The Dave Allen Show 580 Live - Angie Gillenwater, Retiring Charleston PD Deputy Chief Tony Hazelett, & Tony the Tailor
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- 0:00Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed on this program do not
- 0:02Speaker 1: necessarily reflect the views and opinions of 580 WCHS, its employees,
- 0:07Speaker 1: or WVRC Media. From the studios of WVRC Media, the country,
- 0:14Speaker 1: the United States of America, the state, West Virginia, the city, Charleston,
- 0:21Speaker 1: this is the Dave Allen Show on 580 Live.
- 0:26Speaker 2: And your host.
- 0:27Speaker 3: What we've got here is failure to communicate.
- 0:32Speaker 2: He's kind of a big deal.
- 0:34Speaker 4: I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass.
- 0:37Speaker 4: And I'm all out of bubblegum.
- 0:40Speaker 2: Dave Allen. And a good Friday morning to you. Welcome
- 0:44Speaker 2: to the show.
- 0:45Speaker 3: Stephanie Pauley is our producer today. Guarantee Bank Hotline 304-345-5858.
- 0:48Speaker 3: Tony the Tailor text 304-935-5008. We're in the Jarrett Construction
- 0:50Speaker 3: Studios right on time.
- 0:57Speaker 2: Right on budget.
- 0:57Speaker 3: Visit jaron-construction.com, license number WV030133. Phone calls to the show.
- 1:03Speaker 3: A service of Guarantee Bank, 1320 Kanawha Boulevard, East Charleston.
- 1:06Speaker 3: Texting services provided by West Virginia's finest men's store, Tony
- 1:09Speaker 3: the Tailor on Virginia Street in Charleston. No live commercial
- 1:13Speaker 3: for Tony the Tailor today because he's actually here in studio.
- 1:16Speaker 2: How you doing, man? Good morning, Dave. Rocking your WVU
- 1:19Speaker 2: gear today. It's white out for Pat White tomorrow.
- 1:22Speaker 3: Tony's going to be co-hosting the show with me today.
- 1:25Speaker 3: We'll get back to him a little bit later on.
- 1:27Speaker 3: Metro News meteorologist Brian Hughes says the heat is going
- 1:30Speaker 3: to continue today. Heat index in the mid-100s. Air temps
- 1:33Speaker 3: in the mid-90s. Going to have some pop-up showers and
- 1:35Speaker 3: thunderstorms late in the day. And we've got to keep
- 1:37Speaker 3: a kind of close eye on that for high school
- 1:39Speaker 3: football tonight, especially if we have, you know, thunder and lightning. Well,
- 1:42Speaker 3: not so much thunder, but lightning in there. Lows are
- 1:44Speaker 3: going to be in the low 70s tomorrow. Widespread showers
- 1:46Speaker 3: and storms. But that'll come with that will come some
- 1:48Speaker 3: relief from the heat. Highs are going to be in
- 1:50Speaker 3: the upper 80s Sunday. Labor Day Monday looking really good.
- 1:53Speaker 3: Some lingering showers, though. Sunday morning will break out the
- 1:56Speaker 3: sunshine for Sunday and Labor Day and less humid.
- 2:01Speaker 2: That is good.
- 2:02Speaker 3: That's pretty good stuff right there.
- 2:03Speaker 2: We'll take it. We'll take it.
- 2:05Speaker 3: You can download the Metro News television app, follow Brian's
- 2:07Speaker 3: team of weather pros on social media, on all the
- 2:10Speaker 3: Metro News platforms and Brian's page as well. Coming up,
- 2:12Speaker 3: as I said, Tony the tailor is here with us today.
- 2:16Speaker 3: And there's actually a reason for him to be here.
- 2:18Speaker 3: You have a reason to be here.
- 2:20Speaker 2: Besides giving you all money?
- 2:21Speaker 5: Yes.
- 2:24Speaker 3: Other than that, there's actually a reason why you're here today.
- 2:28Speaker 2: And we'll get to that a little bit later on.
- 2:30Speaker 3: Announcement made a couple of days ago that Tony Hazlitt
- 2:33Speaker 3: would be retiring from the Charleston Police Department. Longtime officer there.
- 2:36Speaker 3: Today is his final day on the job. Taking time
- 2:38Speaker 3: out to join me in studio this morning. So we'll
- 2:41Speaker 3: talk to Mr. Hazlitt, who is going to ride off
- 2:43Speaker 3: into the sunsets. after a very, very storied career with
- 2:48Speaker 3: the Charleston Police Department. We'll get into a little high
- 2:49Speaker 3: school football and some other things going on as well.
- 2:52Speaker 3: Guarantee Bank Hotline, 304-345-5858. Tony Vitale or Tax, 304-935-500.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Welcome to the show now.
- 3:00Speaker 3: Angie Gillenwater, Kanawha-Charleston Humane Association, with this week's Adopt Me
- 3:03Speaker 3: Please Pet of the Week, brought to you by Almost
- 3:06Speaker 3: Heaven Interiors.
- 3:07Speaker 2: Angie, good morning, and welcome to the show.
- 3:09Speaker 6: Good morning. I'm happy to be here.
- 3:11Speaker 3: And I got Tony the tailor here as well. So
- 3:13Speaker 3: please watch what you say.
- 3:13Speaker 2: Good morning, Angie.
- 3:15Speaker 6: Good morning. All right.
- 3:17Speaker 3: So as always, our pet of the week's picture posted
- 3:19Speaker 3: Dave Allen radio and Facebook and the WCHS network, Facebook
- 3:22Speaker 3: page and Dave Allen on X.
- 3:24Speaker 2: Tell us about solar.
- 3:28Speaker 6: So solar originally came to KCHA as part of a
- 3:32Speaker 6: cruelty investigation that has since been resolved. And now she's
- 3:36Speaker 6: available for adoption and, But she's about two years old.
- 3:39Speaker 6: She loves to play with other dogs and she loves kids.
- 3:44Speaker 6: She's quite literally just like the perfect dog. One of
- 3:46Speaker 6: my favorites that we have right now. She joined us
- 3:49Speaker 6: at the Charleston Dirty Birds game on Friday night and
- 3:52Speaker 6: at Kegs for Canines on Saturday and was just an
- 3:55Speaker 6: absolute dream of a dog at both events.
- 3:58Speaker 2: She is a beautiful dog.
- 4:00Speaker 3: Any any idea what kind of dog she is?
- 4:03Speaker 6: That, I would say probably just a medium-sized West Virginia
- 4:06Speaker 6: black dog.
- 4:07Speaker 3: You normally say West Virginia brown dog, but it's a
- 4:09Speaker 3: black dog. It looks like, and it's hard to tell
- 4:11Speaker 3: from the picture, and I was at Kegs for Canines,
- 4:13Speaker 3: but I didn't get to see her there.
- 4:15Speaker 2: If I did, I didn't notice.
- 4:17Speaker 3: It looks like she's one of those, for lack of
- 4:19Speaker 3: a better term, very shiny dog. If she's all bathed up,
- 4:23Speaker 3: she's going to glisten a little bit.
- 4:25Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, absolutely. I would agree with that.
- 4:28Speaker 3: So again, the solar's picture posted over on my social media,
- 4:31Speaker 3: and you mentioned Kegs for Canines.
- 4:33Speaker 2: What a great event at the Red Carpet Lounge last week.
- 4:36Speaker 6: Absolutely. I have to thank everyone that was involved with that.
- 4:40Speaker 6: This was actually the highest number of attendees we've had
- 4:44Speaker 6: since hosting Kegs for Canines. So thank you to everyone
- 4:47Speaker 6: that came to that and joined us and helped us
- 4:50Speaker 6: save some shelter pets. Again, that That's amazing news that
- 4:54Speaker 6: this was the highest attendance one.
- 4:56Speaker 2: I had a blast there. It was great. And I
- 4:59Speaker 2: saw Solar, petted Solar. Had to leave because I didn't
- 5:01Speaker 2: want to take her home with me. She's a beautiful dog.
- 5:05Speaker 2: She really is. You folks are doing some hiring up there, Angie,
- 5:08Speaker 2: from what I understand.
- 5:10Speaker 6: Yeah, we are. We're hosting some open interviews today between
- 5:13Speaker 6: 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. We're looking for a veterinary assistant.
- 5:16Speaker 6: So essentially you are going to be assisting our veterinarian
- 5:19Speaker 6: with whatever she needs. But yeah, that's from two to
- 5:23Speaker 6: four today.
- 5:24Speaker 3: What kind of training does one have to have to
- 5:27Speaker 3: be a veterinary assistant?
- 5:29Speaker 6: So the good thing about KCHA, unless you're becoming the veterinarian,
- 5:32Speaker 6: you don't need any experience. You don't need any training.
- 5:35Speaker 6: We can show you the ropes on everything. So no
- 5:37Speaker 6: experience or prior work history is required to be able
- 5:41Speaker 6: to do these jobs that we have at the shelter.
- 5:44Speaker 6: We will train you to what we expect of you.
- 5:49Speaker 2: So I could even get a job there.
- 5:51Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely. We'd love to have you.
- 5:53Speaker 2: I don't know about that. Uh, I was taking a
- 5:56Speaker 2: look at some of your numbers.
- 5:57Speaker 3: You have them actually posted. I saw your August report
- 5:59Speaker 3: posted on your social media. You guys are still pretty,
- 6:02Speaker 3: pretty filled.
- 6:02Speaker 2: Up up there.
- 6:04Speaker 6: Uh, yeah, it seems it's an ongoing trend, no matter
- 6:07Speaker 6: how many we send out the door that plus like
- 6:09Speaker 6: 10 more come right back in, which of course we're,
- 6:12Speaker 6: we're always happy to help and be a safe haven
- 6:14Speaker 6: for animals that need us. Um, So that's why we
- 6:17Speaker 6: just need to keep a stream of adopters and fosters
- 6:20Speaker 6: coming through our doors as well.
- 6:21Speaker 3: Talk about the importance of fosters because I don't think
- 6:24Speaker 3: we spend enough time talking about the fosters. And even
- 6:27Speaker 3: in your description of solar, you even said that this
- 6:30Speaker 3: dog would probably be good if somebody wanted to foster
- 6:32Speaker 3: her out or just take her out for a walk
- 6:34Speaker 3: or for the day or whatever.
- 6:35Speaker 2: But talk about the importance of fosters.
- 6:38Speaker 6: Yes, so fostering not only helps us staff members at
- 6:41Speaker 6: KCHA by creating space that we desperately need to help
- 6:44Speaker 6: other animals in need, but fostering is excellent for the
- 6:48Speaker 6: animal that you are taking into your home. Number one,
- 6:51Speaker 6: they're getting out.
- 6:52Speaker 2: Of the shelter.
- 6:52Speaker 6: It's noisy. It's loud. They're not getting the one-on-one time
- 6:55Speaker 6: they need, and there is a constant worry of being
- 6:58Speaker 6: exposed to particular illnesses in a shelter environment. So fostering
- 7:03Speaker 6: helps that animal in those ways. It also is a
- 7:06Speaker 6: great improvement for their mental health. It gives us an
- 7:09Speaker 6: idea of how they're going to be in a home
- 7:11Speaker 6: because a shelter environment and how they act is not
- 7:14Speaker 6: how they act in a home either. So it also
- 7:17Speaker 6: gives them a greater chance of being adopted by giving
- 7:20Speaker 6: us that inside look of how they act in a
- 7:22Speaker 6: home setting.
- 7:23Speaker 2: So we urge you to consider that. If you.
- 7:27Speaker 3: Can do that, foster them or even take them out.
- 7:30Speaker 3: Like I said, some people love animals, Angie, but they
- 7:32Speaker 3: live in a place where they can't necessarily... have pets
- 7:36Speaker 3: or maybe they have too many pets or, you know,
- 7:38Speaker 3: pet allergies as far as the kids go, whatever. There's
- 7:40Speaker 3: a variety of different reasons. But you can come up
- 7:42Speaker 3: there just about any day of the week and pick
- 7:44Speaker 3: up an animal and take the, you know, take it
- 7:47Speaker 3: for a walk, take it to the park or whatever.
- 7:49Speaker 6: Yeah, the doggy day out trips, now that the weather is,
- 7:53Speaker 6: I know we're in a heat wave right now, but
- 7:55Speaker 6: it is going to be calming down here soon. So
- 7:57Speaker 6: the doggy day out trips are a perfect way to
- 7:59Speaker 6: spend like an afternoon or even like a day off.
- 8:03Speaker 6: By taking an animal off site and getting them a
- 8:06Speaker 6: pup cup, going to a dog park, etc. That also
- 8:10Speaker 6: gives them the benefits of fostering. We know how they
- 8:13Speaker 6: act in a car. We know how they act like
- 8:14Speaker 6: on walks, things like that. They get a break from
- 8:17Speaker 6: the shelter. So that also gives us all those plus
- 8:20Speaker 6: signs that we want. while helping the animal and not risking,
- 8:25Speaker 6: you know, you having to take an animal into your
- 8:27Speaker 6: home if you're not allowed to or can't afford to,
- 8:29Speaker 6: whatever the case may be.
- 8:30Speaker 3: And speaking of dogs in the car, you had a
- 8:33Speaker 3: video posted on your Facebook page of a dog named
- 8:35Speaker 3: Elvis who is.
- 8:36Speaker 2: Just having his best day ever taking a car ride.
- 8:40Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely. If you want to see what a doggy
- 8:43Speaker 6: day out can do for these dogs, definitely go check
- 8:45Speaker 6: out that video of Elvis. He's just this big brown
- 8:48Speaker 6: hound dog. That is hanging out the passenger side of
- 8:51Speaker 6: someone's vehicle with his ears blowing in the wind. It's
- 8:55Speaker 6: definitely a video that can sway you one way or
- 8:58Speaker 6: another if you should take a dog out for the day.
- 9:01Speaker 2: What are you guys in need of up there right now?
- 9:03Speaker 2: What's your biggest needs?
- 9:04Speaker 6: So big needs right now are going to be wet
- 9:06Speaker 6: food of any brand for dogs or cats. We are
- 9:10Speaker 6: always in need of that. And then we also need blankets,
- 9:13Speaker 6: towel sheets, linens, and any type of cleaning supply you
- 9:18Speaker 6: can think of, whether it be laundry detergent, dishwashing liquid, gloves,
- 9:22Speaker 6: scrubby pads, anything like that. We're also always constantly in
- 9:26Speaker 6: need of.
- 9:27Speaker 3: All right. So you guys are going to be out
- 9:28Speaker 3: and about anywhere this weekend.
- 9:31Speaker 6: Yes, we're actually coming to your neck of the woods tomorrow.
- 9:34Speaker 6: Taze Valley Petco will be there from 12 to 3
- 9:37Speaker 6: in our caravan with adoptable animals.
- 9:39Speaker 2: All right.
- 9:39Speaker 3: Well, hopefully we'll have to stop by and say hello,
- 9:43Speaker 3: since I am the mayor of Taze Valley, they tell me,
- 9:46Speaker 3: even though it's unincorporated. Hey, Angie, it's always a pleasure
- 9:49Speaker 3: to talk to you, and have yourself a great Labor
- 9:51Speaker 3: Day weekend, and we will talk to you.
- 9:53Speaker 2: Again next week. Thanks a lot.
- 9:54Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely.
- 9:55Speaker 7: You too.
- 9:55Speaker 2: All right.
- 9:56Speaker 3: Angie Gilliwater, Kanawha-Charleston Humane Association and Solar is our dog
- 10:01Speaker 3: this week, Mr.
- 10:02Speaker 2: Perenzino.
- 10:03Speaker 3: Two years old, around that spade, vaccinated. Her adoption is covered,
- 10:08Speaker 3: so she's free. All taken care of there. Loves playful
- 10:11Speaker 3: dogs and really loves kids as well.
- 10:14Speaker 2: It's amazing. I mean, I played with Solar, had a
- 10:17Speaker 2: great time at the Kegs for Canines event And I
- 10:20Speaker 2: knew it would be a big attendant event. It was great.
- 10:22Speaker 2: PG did a fantastic job with the food. And what
- 10:25Speaker 2: a great event. I mean, it was fun. Great weather.
- 10:28Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 10:28Speaker 2: And then I moseyed on downtown to see the Jimmy
- 10:30Speaker 2: Buffett Tribute Band and then also Danny Harmison's band out
- 10:33Speaker 2: on Capitol Street. Man, it's just a shame there's nothing
- 10:35Speaker 2: to do in Charleston. There's nothing to do in Charleston.
- 10:37Speaker 2: Last Saturday, literally thousands of people downtown.
- 10:41Speaker 9: Yeah.
- 10:41Speaker 2: Two live concerts outdoors. Everybody's walking around drinking cold beer,
- 10:45Speaker 2: enjoying the weather. It's fantastic. Of course, nothing to do.
- 10:49Speaker 2: There's nothing to do in Charleston. Nothing to do in Charleston.
- 10:51Speaker 3: And that's actually going to pick up in the coming
- 10:53Speaker 3: weeks because they got the event in Clendenin that's going
- 10:57Speaker 3: to be next week. I know, and we'll talk about
- 11:00Speaker 3: that next week, the Chilling on the Elk, I think
- 11:02Speaker 3: is what it's called.
- 11:03Speaker 2: Yeah, and what a great job those guys and Dave
- 11:05Speaker 2: Knight and them have done in Clendenin after the devastating flood.
- 11:09Speaker 3: Yeah, you got that going on. Rib Fest is going
- 11:11Speaker 3: to be going on. Nitro Boom Days. They're going to
- 11:14Speaker 3: be going on. And speaking to Nitro real quick, I
- 11:16Speaker 3: told Joe Stevens I'd get this out here for him.
- 11:19Speaker 3: Sunday night, if you are looking for something to do
- 11:24Speaker 3: prior to Labor Day, this is the fourth year that
- 11:26Speaker 3: they've done this. They shut down the Dick Henderson Bridge,
- 11:29Speaker 3: which connects Nitro to St.
- 11:30Speaker 2: Albans. They completely shut it down about 830 or so.
- 11:34Speaker 3: And they invite people to come and watch the fireworks
- 11:37Speaker 3: that they're going to be setting off over the Kanawha
- 11:39Speaker 3: River there in St.
- 11:41Speaker 9: Albans.
- 11:41Speaker 3: They actually set them off, I think, from Roadside Park,
- 11:43Speaker 3: and there's nothing like that experience of actually being on that.
- 11:47Speaker 2: It's one of the most.
- 11:47Speaker 3: Heavily traveled bridges in the Kanawha Valley, but it's closed
- 11:50Speaker 3: between 8.30 and 10.30 on Friday night. You can just
- 11:54Speaker 3: hang out with your friends and just watch the fireworks
- 11:56Speaker 3: over the river there. The weather's going to be fantastic,
- 11:59Speaker 3: so if you're looking for something to do, On Sunday night, again,
- 12:02Speaker 3: they'll close down that bridge and go check that out.
- 12:04Speaker 2: It's a shame they didn't schedule the St. Albans Nitro
- 12:06Speaker 2: game that night. Well, that's tonight. That's tonight.
- 12:10Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 12:11Speaker 5: Right.
- 12:11Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 12:12Speaker 8: Okay.
- 12:12Speaker 3: Well, then there might be fights.
- 12:16Speaker 5: 9-20.
- 12:16Speaker 3: I invite you to join me every Friday morning, 9-06,
- 12:19Speaker 3: for the Adopt Me Please Pet of the Week from
- 12:21Speaker 3: the Canala Charleston Humane Association, brought to you by Almost
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- 12:33Speaker 3: do it all, 516 D Street in South Charleston. Again,
- 12:36Speaker 3: solar is our Adopt Me Police Pet of the Week
- 12:38Speaker 3: picture posted, Dave Allen Radio and the WCHS Network Facebook
- 12:42Speaker 3: page and at Dave870 on X.
- 12:44Speaker 2: Tony DeTaylor is hanging out with me today.
- 12:46Speaker 3: We're going to take a break. Another Tony. We've reached
- 12:48Speaker 3: our Tony quota today. Tony Hazlitt, who is going to
- 12:51Speaker 3: be retiring from the Charleston Police Department, is going to
- 12:52Speaker 3: join me next on The Voice of Charleston WCHS.
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- 14:50Speaker 3: That's the sounds of the official band of the Dave
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- 14:54Speaker 2: Tony, the tailors, you know a little bit about those guys. Yeah,
- 14:57Speaker 2: they're going to be at the Mothman Festival on the 20th.
- 15:01Speaker 2: They're the 3 o'clock band. They're excited. We're excited. It's great.
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- 16:00Speaker 3: Hanging it up today is Tony Haislitt with the Charleston
- 16:03Speaker 3: Police Department. Deputy Chief of the Department. Announced earlier that
- 16:06Speaker 3: he's going to be retiring. Today is his last day.
- 16:08Speaker 3: And he's spending at least a little bit of it here.
- 16:11Speaker 3: and the Jarrett Construction Studios. Good morning, sir, and this
- 16:14Speaker 3: is it today, I guess, right?
- 16:15Speaker 4: This is it, yes.
- 16:16Speaker 2: This is it.
- 16:16Speaker 4: After 27 years.
- 16:18Speaker 3: I want to go back through your career. What made
- 16:20Speaker 3: you go into law enforcement?
- 16:22Speaker 4: Well, back when I graduated high school, I went to
- 16:24Speaker 4: Marshall University, and I was in criminal justice, and they
- 16:27Speaker 4: promoted a lot of police departments around, especially Huntington, Charleston.
- 16:32Speaker 4: I then actually took some classes at West Virginia State,
- 16:34Speaker 4: and then I applied at Huntington and Charleston. Charleston called
- 16:38Speaker 4: me first, so I've been here ever since.
- 16:40Speaker 3: And you've been, your entire career, you've been with the
- 16:43Speaker 3: Tribal Police Department?
- 16:44Speaker 4: Yeah, since 1999.
- 16:45Speaker 2: Okay.
- 16:45Speaker 3: So take us through that career, those early, I mean,
- 16:48Speaker 3: you eventually became almost like the face of the police
- 16:50Speaker 3: department because you dealt with the media and things of
- 16:52Speaker 3: that nature. But talk about your early days and how
- 16:54Speaker 3: you transitioned into the role you have now.
- 16:56Speaker 4: So I was in control when I started out until 2002.
- 17:00Speaker 4: In 2002, I got a phone call if I'd be
- 17:02Speaker 4: interested in detective, which was pretty young in the career.
- 17:05Speaker 4: So in 2002, I went to detective bureau. I spent
- 17:09Speaker 4: 10 years as a regular detective there. Then I made
- 17:12Speaker 4: sergeant and moved up and went to the road for
- 17:14Speaker 4: a little bit. Then I got a call back from
- 17:16Speaker 4: retired Chief Steve Cooper to be assistant chief of detectives.
- 17:20Speaker 4: And since then, I just kept moving up, went to
- 17:22Speaker 4: chief of detectives, investigative services bureau chief, and then deputy chief.
- 17:26Speaker 3: What did you enjoy about the detective part of it?
- 17:29Speaker 3: Because it's not what you see on television. I mean,
- 17:34Speaker 3: neither is any kind of police work what you see
- 17:36Speaker 3: on television. But what did you enjoy about the detective
- 17:38Speaker 3: part of it?
- 17:38Speaker 4: Solving the cases, especially serious cases, and giving relief to
- 17:42Speaker 4: the family, notifying the family that we've made an arrest.
- 17:45Speaker 4: That's satisfying to the detective.
- 17:46Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about that feeling when you're able to.
- 17:48Speaker 3: You know, somebody's had a tragedy like that, but you're
- 17:51Speaker 3: able to at least get a little help them with
- 17:53Speaker 3: a little closure.
- 17:53Speaker 5: Right.
- 17:54Speaker 4: And the emotions are high with families when they have tragedy.
- 17:56Speaker 4: And when you're able to, I've always wanted to do
- 17:59Speaker 4: it in person. You sit down with them and say, hey,
- 18:02Speaker 4: we've made an arrest. And you just go through the
- 18:04Speaker 4: process with it. They're so grateful in that, especially when
- 18:07Speaker 4: you do it in person.
- 18:09Speaker 3: Talking with Tony Hainsland again, who's going to be retiring, uh,
- 18:11Speaker 3: today from the Charleston police department, nine 26, but Dave
- 18:14Speaker 3: Allen show on five 80 line brought to you in
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- 18:19Speaker 3: Talk about some of the bigger cases. I'm going to
- 18:22Speaker 3: get to some more interesting. So maybe a funny story
- 18:24Speaker 3: here too, but talk about some of the serious, the
- 18:27Speaker 3: biggest cases that you've worked on.
- 18:30Speaker 4: Uh, some of the biggest cases was one that sticks
- 18:34Speaker 4: out was we nicknamed the plaid shirt bank robber. Um,
- 18:39Speaker 4: He robbed almost 40 banks along the East Coast, all
- 18:43Speaker 4: the way down to South Carolina, Kentucky, Minnesota, West Virginia.
- 18:47Speaker 4: He ended up robbing three here in Charleston. And when
- 18:51Speaker 4: was this?
- 18:52Speaker 8: 2007.
- 18:52Speaker 4: Okay. And the way he betrayed himself was as a
- 18:58Speaker 4: truck driver. He put a truck's plaid shirt. We called
- 19:01Speaker 4: him the plaid shirt robber. So we started working that case,
- 19:05Speaker 4: and we had contact with several FBI agents. And we
- 19:10Speaker 4: ended up solving it here in Charleston. We actually got him.
- 19:13Speaker 4: He was from Rogersville, Missouri. And what he would do,
- 19:16Speaker 4: he would travel over to the East Coast, rob a bank,
- 19:20Speaker 4: go to the bank, go to Wheeling, to the casinos,
- 19:23Speaker 4: launder the money, put the money in, hit cash out,
- 19:25Speaker 4: so he wouldn't have any of the money on his person.
- 19:28Speaker 4: And then he would go back to Missouri. We were
- 19:32Speaker 4: able to solve that by he went through an ATM,
- 19:35Speaker 4: one of the banks he was getting ready to rob,
- 19:37Speaker 4: and checked his account balance. So we were able to
- 19:41Speaker 4: solve that. He ended up getting 80 years in federal prison,
- 19:45Speaker 4: and myself and another FBI agent was the only ones
- 19:47Speaker 4: allowed to interview him.
- 19:48Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of cool.
- 19:50Speaker 3: From a perspective that this guy robbed banks all up
- 19:53Speaker 3: and down the East Coast, and the case was cracked
- 19:55Speaker 3: by somebody here in little old Charleston, West Virginia.
- 19:58Speaker 4: Yes, we got several phone calls from FBI agents in Minnesota, Lexington, Kentucky.
- 20:02Speaker 4: They were all wanting the case filed.
- 20:04Speaker 3: And he got busted because he checked his account balance.
- 20:08Speaker 2: You know, there's a.
- 20:08Speaker 3: Reason why I've always said that criminals will never take
- 20:10Speaker 3: over the world, you know, because they're inherently stupid, you know,
- 20:14Speaker 3: for the most part.
- 20:14Speaker 2: Donnie, do you remember that case?
- 20:15Speaker 4: I remember.
- 20:16Speaker 2: I remember that happening. I remember all that. It was
- 20:18Speaker 2: a big deal.
- 20:18Speaker 4: It was a big case.
- 20:19Speaker 2: It was a big deal.
- 20:20Speaker 3: So give me a, and I hate to put you
- 20:22Speaker 3: on the spot here, but give me a funny story
- 20:24Speaker 3: that you've had. I mean, that's actually kind of funny.
- 20:26Speaker 2: To be honest with you.
- 20:27Speaker 4: Well, I will say this. So I'll tell you a
- 20:29Speaker 4: funny one. I was a brand new patrolman. You know,
- 20:32Speaker 4: I was wanting to patrol, solve crimes. And I wasn't
- 20:36Speaker 4: familiar with Charleston. I'm a Huntington boy. So I come
- 20:39Speaker 4: up and there was a call around the Civic Center.
- 20:42Speaker 4: And so I'm driving around. Well, I make a left
- 20:45Speaker 4: on Lee. What's the wrong way? I'm good traveling down Lee.
- 20:49Speaker 4: And I'm like, people are honking at me. So I
- 20:51Speaker 4: didn't want to look like I was stupid. So I
- 20:53Speaker 4: turned my spotlight on the Civic Center to make sure
- 20:55Speaker 4: I was looking at somebody. But, yeah, I remember that
- 20:58Speaker 4: plane as day, so I felt silly on that one.
- 21:01Speaker 3: Everybody's entitled to one or two, I guess.
- 21:03Speaker 2: But now I'm going to presume that you're not new
- 21:06Speaker 2: to the city anymore.
- 21:06Speaker 8: You know the city.
- 21:07Speaker 4: No, I know it pretty well.
- 21:09Speaker 2: Like back your hand. So what's going to be next
- 21:11Speaker 2: for you?
- 21:11Speaker 4: I got my name in the hat on a few things.
- 21:15Speaker 4: But to be honest with you, right now I'm probably
- 21:16Speaker 4: going to spend time with family.
- 21:17Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 21:17Speaker 4: Heading to Morgantown.
- 21:19Speaker 2: Nice.
- 21:20Speaker 4: So we'll see what lies ahead.
- 21:23Speaker 3: So– Who's going to be– what's the succession? Who's going
- 21:26Speaker 3: to take over your role?
- 21:28Speaker 2: Deputy.
- 21:28Speaker 4: He's going to be Deputy Chief Kevin Oldham. He did
- 21:30Speaker 4: special events. He did the regattas and coordination of that.
- 21:34Speaker 4: He was inside the chief's office at the time that
- 21:36Speaker 4: Chief Dempsey appointed him.
- 21:37Speaker 2: Okay.
- 21:38Speaker 3: And the– because I know you do a lot of, like,
- 21:40Speaker 3: the PR type stuff because usually– anytime– I'll tell you
- 21:43Speaker 3: a little inside baseball. Anytime anything happens– and I'm not
- 21:48Speaker 3: a news person. I just hang around a lot– People say, well,
- 21:52Speaker 3: call Hazlitt. Call Hazlitt's good. Have we heard from Hazlitt yet?
- 21:55Speaker 3: So there's got to be a Hazlitt now. Yeah, Sergeant
- 21:57Speaker 3: Travis Bells.
- 21:58Speaker 4: Okay.
- 21:58Speaker 2: He's been on the show before. He's very good.
- 22:00Speaker 4: Yes, he's very good. What he does, yes.
- 22:02Speaker 3: Talk about the Charleston Police Department as a whole over
- 22:04Speaker 3: the years. I mean, you know, you've seen a lot.
- 22:07Speaker 3: You've seen the numbers grow. You've seen them, you know, down.
- 22:11Speaker 3: It seems like they just swore in a bunch of
- 22:12Speaker 3: new officers. I had Chief Dempsey on the show talking
- 22:15Speaker 3: about that. Talk about your time as a whole with
- 22:18Speaker 3: the Charleston Police Department.
- 22:19Speaker 4: Well, you know, I will say, you know, I was
- 22:24Speaker 4: offered some federal jobs back in the day, and I
- 22:27Speaker 4: turned it down. My family had a very tragic incident
- 22:31Speaker 4: in 2006, and the Charleston Police Department took care of me, like,
- 22:36Speaker 4: to the point that I will never forget it. And
- 22:39Speaker 4: I knew right then I was going to give my
- 22:40Speaker 4: life to the Charleston Police Department. And so they've been
- 22:43Speaker 4: good to me, and I personally want to thank Mayor
- 22:49Speaker 4: Amy Goodwin, And Chief Scott Dempsey and Deputy Chief Jason Webb,
- 22:53Speaker 4: because they mean the.
- 22:54Speaker 7: World to me.
- 22:56Speaker 3: If you had advice for a person, you know, young
- 22:59Speaker 3: man or woman coming out of high school, trying to
- 23:01Speaker 3: decide what they want to do with their life. And
- 23:05Speaker 3: how would you how would you persuade them to take
- 23:09Speaker 3: up a career in law enforcement?
- 23:11Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I would encourage a ride along.
- 23:14Speaker 2: OK.
- 23:14Speaker 4: Encourage a ride along. You can contact Sergeant Travis Bells
- 23:18Speaker 4: or Sergeant Dennis West and do a ride along to
- 23:20Speaker 4: see exactly what we go through day in and day out.
- 23:24Speaker 4: That's the first step I would think that you need
- 23:26Speaker 4: to do to see if you're you're there's something you're
- 23:29Speaker 4: interested in.
- 23:29Speaker 3: OK, so they go through that and they've decided this
- 23:31Speaker 3: is something I'm interested in at that point. Where what
- 23:34Speaker 3: would your advice to them be?
- 23:36Speaker 4: Well, you know, as a new officer. If you're hired,
- 23:41Speaker 4: a couple of things I would say. That would be, one,
- 23:45Speaker 4: is your reputation in the community. Okay? Your reputation in
- 23:50Speaker 4: the community could take years to build but seconds to lose.
- 23:55Speaker 4: Very true. So stay honest. Stay the course. Remember your
- 24:01Speaker 4: safety tactics. Remember your training.
- 24:04Speaker 3: Talking to Tony Hazlett again, who is going to be
- 24:06Speaker 3: retiring today after 27 years.
- 24:07Speaker 2: 27 years.
- 24:10Speaker 3: On the Charleston Police Department. Well, you're certainly going to
- 24:13Speaker 3: be missed, Tony. You're a downtown business owner and a
- 24:16Speaker 3: man about town, so I know you seem to find
- 24:18Speaker 3: work that he's done.
- 24:20Speaker 2: Oh, yes, and I always want to congratulate you for
- 24:21Speaker 2: a great career and thank you for your dedication to
- 24:25Speaker 2: the Charleston Police Department, which growing up, interactions being a
- 24:30Speaker 2: business person and being with the downtown association, The police
- 24:34Speaker 2: department has always, over my 50-year career, has been top-notch.
- 24:38Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
- 24:40Speaker 2: But we appreciate your service.
- 24:41Speaker 8: That means a lot.
- 24:41Speaker 2: And thank you a lot.
- 24:42Speaker 4: Thank you.
- 24:42Speaker 2: I'll give you an opportunity, Mr. Hazlett, to thank the
- 24:46Speaker 2: people you've mentioned.
- 24:49Speaker 3: Charleston Police Department, because here's the thing about it, and
- 24:53Speaker 3: I've talked about this with several people.
- 24:55Speaker 2: When you're a police officer, the whole family is a
- 24:57Speaker 2: police officer.
- 24:58Speaker 4: Yes.
- 24:59Speaker 3: They have to live the life. So I'm going to
- 25:00Speaker 3: give you an opportunity to thank whomever that you want
- 25:02Speaker 3: to at this time.
- 25:03Speaker 4: Well, like I said earlier, I want to thank the mayor,
- 25:05Speaker 4: Mayor Goodwin, for giving me the opportunity to lead the
- 25:07Speaker 4: men and women of the Charleston Police Department. Chief Scott Dempsey,
- 25:10Speaker 4: Deputy Chief Jason Webb, but more important, my wife.
- 25:14Speaker 3: I was going to say you should probably throw that
- 25:15Speaker 3: in there.
- 25:17Speaker 2: Well, enjoy your return. Big plans today.
- 25:19Speaker 4: Yes, so we're having a little party about 11 o'clock
- 25:21Speaker 4: at City Hall.
- 25:22Speaker 2: Write that down, Perenzino. They'll have cake.
- 25:25Speaker 4: They'll have cake and some food. You're more than welcome
- 25:27Speaker 4: to stop by and then head into Morkantown.
- 25:29Speaker 3: All right.
- 25:30Speaker 2: And go Mountaineers tomorrow.
- 25:31Speaker 4: Go Mountaineers.
- 25:31Speaker 2: Go Mountaineers. All right.
- 25:33Speaker 3: Tony Hazlitt, it's always been a pleasure to deal with
- 25:34Speaker 3: you on the show here in the past, and I
- 25:36Speaker 3: appreciate you being here. And good luck in your retirement.
- 25:38Speaker 3: I'm interested to see what will happen next for you.
- 25:40Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
- 25:41Speaker 3: 26 minutes away from 10. Hang out with us just
- 25:43Speaker 3: here one second. The Dave Allen Show on 580 Live
- 25:45Speaker 3: brought to you in part by the Charleston Dirty Birds.
- 25:47Speaker 3: Birds out on the road. They're back at GoMart Ballpark
- 25:50Speaker 3: on September 11th. Check out Dirty Birds Baseball. More with
- 25:54Speaker 3: Tony the tailor when we come back on The Voice
- 25:56Speaker 3: of Charleston.
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- 26:22Speaker 13: you help us reach more seniors? Visit unionmission.com to learn more.
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- 27:20Speaker 2: Cleaning and Restoration.
- 27:29Speaker 3: That's the Amos Steel Band. They are the official band
- 27:31Speaker 3: of the Dave Allen Show. And Tony, the tailor's with me.
- 27:34Speaker 3: So they're going to be playing the Mothman Festival. Mothman Fest.
- 27:36Speaker 2: Didn't they just come off? They had a gig in Barbersville.
- 27:39Speaker 2: Barbersville Veterans Legion.
- 27:44Speaker 1: Legion.
- 27:44Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 27:46Speaker 3: So if you're very active, if you're looking for a
- 27:48Speaker 3: band and they described it when I had Doodle on
- 27:51Speaker 3: the Doodle Hackworth on the show. He said, I think
- 27:54Speaker 3: he called it, or maybe you did, maybe it was
- 27:56Speaker 3: Molly Hatchet meets Black Sabbath.
- 27:58Speaker 2: Yeah, Molly Sabbath. Molly Sabbath. But they do a little
- 28:01Speaker 2: bit of everything.
- 28:02Speaker 8: Everything.
- 28:02Speaker 2: If you just like music, that's good music, and these
- 28:04Speaker 2: are actual instruments being played and no auto-tune. And actually,
- 28:09Speaker 2: Doodle's one of the lead singers, the drummer, and fantastic.
- 28:12Speaker 2: I mean, they're just guys there. The guys are all pros.
- 28:15Speaker 2: I'm always talking about them.
- 28:16Speaker 3: If you've got an event coming up, these are the
- 28:18Speaker 3: guys you need to get. And if you listen to
- 28:20Speaker 3: the Jewish Christmas Spectacular that we do right around Christmas
- 28:23Speaker 3: every year when I bring Pushkin in and we have
- 28:25Speaker 3: several other people, they're kind of the backing. They're the
- 28:29Speaker 3: band for that. They do all the stuff.
- 28:31Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 28:32Speaker 2: They're amazing. I mean, literally, these guys are straight-up pro musicians.
- 28:35Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 28:36Speaker 3: Talking to Tony DeTaylor, it's 24 minutes away from 10.
- 28:38Speaker 3: The Dave Allen Show on 580 Live brought to you
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- 28:51Speaker 3: High school football week two coming up tonight here on WCHS.
- 28:55Speaker 3: Hurricane will play host to George Washington. Now, over on 96.1 KWS,
- 28:58Speaker 3: your home for the Herbert Hoover Huskies. Huskies will play
- 29:01Speaker 3: host to the Generals of Winfield. After the games, of course,
- 29:04Speaker 3: WCHS will have coverage of Metro News Game Night with
- 29:06Speaker 3: Fred Persinger and Dave Jacklin. Scores from all over the
- 29:10Speaker 3: state of West Virginia. Tomorrow night, 107.3 The Beat, we
- 29:15Speaker 3: have coverage of West Virginia State traveling to Moontownship, Pennsylvania
- 29:19Speaker 3: to take on Robert Morris. Of course, WVU opens up
- 29:22Speaker 3: tomorrow at home against Coastal Carolina. Marshall travels to Penn State.
- 29:26Speaker 3: And part of that game tomorrow, we mentioned it yesterday,
- 29:29Speaker 3: they're going to retire Pat White's No. 5 jersey in
- 29:32Speaker 3: Morgantown tomorrow. But here's the thing, if you're heading up
- 29:34Speaker 3: for the game, I forgot to remind Officer Hazlett about that.
- 29:38Speaker 3: You've got to be in your seats by 1145 because
- 29:42Speaker 3: the ceremony is going to start at 1145.
- 29:47Speaker 2: Because Pat White is a coach. Pat White is a coach.
- 29:49Speaker 2: And he's got stuff to do at halftime. And they
- 29:51Speaker 2: have a pregame thing. That means you can't day drink
- 29:56Speaker 2: unless you start in the morning. Well, it's good advice,
- 29:58Speaker 2: I guess.
- 29:59Speaker 3: But be in your seat by 1145 because if you're
- 30:01Speaker 3: out tailgating, you're going to miss it all. And somebody
- 30:04Speaker 3: had asked me if it's going.
- 30:05Speaker 2: To be streamed online. To that, I do not know.
- 30:09Speaker 2: I'll probably check the mountain, the app they have.
- 30:11Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 30:11Speaker 2: When they stream that stuff, I'll probably.
- 30:14Speaker 3: I mean, eventually, I don't know if it'll be streamed
- 30:16Speaker 3: live online, but it will be somewhere. I mean, we'll
- 30:19Speaker 3: probably have it at some point.
- 30:20Speaker 7: I know.
- 30:21Speaker 3: You know, you might check out any of the Mountaineer sites.
- 30:24Speaker 2: Maybe the Metro News TV.
- 30:26Speaker 10: Yeah.
- 30:26Speaker 2: Might have it.
- 30:28Speaker 3: I mean, definitely after. I don't know about live. But
- 30:31Speaker 3: I do appreciate the text there. Coming up later today,
- 30:33Speaker 3: Metro News Midday with 13 News. And tonight, live anchor
- 30:35Speaker 3: Amanda Barron and me, powered by Selene Goodall. It is Friday,
- 30:38Speaker 3: which means we're going to talk food on the Lunch Spot.
- 30:41Speaker 3: And we're going to do something a little bit different today. Normally,
- 30:43Speaker 3: we feature a different restaurant from around the state of
- 30:45Speaker 3: West Virginia. But today, A.B., my co-host, said, let's just
- 30:48Speaker 3: talk some tailgate food. And so she did a search,
- 30:52Speaker 3: and actually I think somebody nominated a gentleman from here
- 30:56Speaker 3: in the Charleston area that they say, and I don't
- 30:59Speaker 3: have his name in front of me, but they say
- 31:01Speaker 3: that he is– actually, I do have his name in
- 31:02Speaker 3: front of me. I'll look it up here in a
- 31:03Speaker 3: minute– that he has the premier tailgating if you go
- 31:07Speaker 3: to a Mountaineer game. That's what I hear. And so
- 31:09Speaker 3: he is going to join us on the show today.
- 31:11Speaker 3: I'm definitely looking forward to that, talking a little tailgating.
- 31:14Speaker 3: What's your favorite tailgate food?
- 31:16Speaker 2: Well, Blanton's. And ice. But food-wise, you know, chicken wings,
- 31:26Speaker 2: anything that, I don't know, I just love food. I mean,
- 31:29Speaker 2: I'm a fat guy. I love food. Whatever it is.
- 31:32Speaker 2: But chicken wings, good chicken wings. What makes a good
- 31:35Speaker 2: chicken wing to you? The sauce has to be a
- 31:38Speaker 2: little hot, not too hot, and a little sweet. So, like,
- 31:41Speaker 2: my favorite sauce is, my favorite wings are at Sam's
- 31:44Speaker 2: Uptown because they're actually giant chicken wings. And they have
- 31:47Speaker 2: a hot sauce. And a sweet barbecue sauce. And if
- 31:50Speaker 2: you get them mixed, that's the perfect. Just go and
- 31:53Speaker 2: tell them you want them Tony the Taylor way.
- 31:54Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 31:55Speaker 2: And they'll go, what? It's a who? It's a Tony
- 31:57Speaker 2: the who? Back to the show. Jeff Jenkins, of course,
- 32:00Speaker 2: will have the news. TJ will stop by with commentary.
- 32:02Speaker 2: The Dean.
- 32:03Speaker 3: Hoppy Kirchbull is going to be on the show today.
- 32:06Speaker 3: Daniel Woods will get you ready for the weekend in sports.
- 32:08Speaker 3: And speaking of which, one of my favorite people in
- 32:11Speaker 3: the world, Mountaineer legend Brian Joswiak.
- 32:14Speaker 2: Is going to be on the show today. He's a
- 32:15Speaker 2: big Amos Steele fan. Oh, is he? Oh, huge Amos
- 32:18Speaker 2: Steele fan. Did not know that. All right.
- 32:19Speaker 3: I've known Joe's for a number of years. And it
- 32:23Speaker 3: is impossible to be in a bad mood when you're
- 32:26Speaker 3: around Brian Joswiak.
- 32:27Speaker 2: He's the best.
- 32:28Speaker 3: I met him at a golf tournament a few years ago,
- 32:30Speaker 3: and he and I just hung out all day and And, uh,
- 32:33Speaker 3: we talk frequently and I've had him on the show
- 32:35Speaker 3: several times and he is, I told somebody this earlier.
- 32:40Speaker 3: I said, if I win the lottery, I'm going to
- 32:42Speaker 3: hire Brian Joseph. We act just to hang out with
- 32:44Speaker 3: me because I guess he reminds me of all the
- 32:46Speaker 3: wrestlers I used to travel with, you know, back in those.
- 32:48Speaker 2: Days because everything's, Hey, how you doing brother?
- 32:51Speaker 3: It's like a mix of Randy Savage and about four
- 32:53Speaker 3: or five other guys.
- 32:54Speaker 2: He's just a big old him and Brad hunt together. Yeah.
- 32:57Speaker 2: And Jack Kessler, those guys, they were, they were, Great
- 33:01Speaker 2: clients of mine, just great friends.
- 33:02Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Joe Zwiak is going to be on the
- 33:04Speaker 3: show today to get you hyped up for the Mountaineer game.
- 33:06Speaker 3: Metro News Midday with 13 News and Tonight Live Anchorman,
- 33:08Speaker 3: Amanda Barrett and me, coming up at noon today, powered
- 33:11Speaker 3: by Selangor Law. There will be no local show on Monday.
- 33:14Speaker 3: 580 Live will be back on Tuesday. We are doing
- 33:17Speaker 3: Metro News Midday, though, on Labor Day. We're doing the
- 33:22Speaker 3: labor thing as a verb. We're actually going to work
- 33:25Speaker 3: on Labor Day.
- 33:25Speaker 2: We're doing the show. And something you may.
- 33:27Speaker 3: Want to tune into, the 2 o'clock hour, I'm going
- 33:30Speaker 3: to bring in a couple of broadcasting legends. Speedy Bevins,
- 33:34Speaker 3: my longtime boss at WVW and Logan, is going to
- 33:39Speaker 3: be in. You hear him, of course, on the state
- 33:40Speaker 3: basketball tournament each year.
- 33:41Speaker 2: And Bob Brunner. I'm going to put those two together.
- 33:45Speaker 3: And we are going to talk about some things out
- 33:48Speaker 3: of the past, which Labor Day is. We'd be remiss
- 33:51Speaker 3: if we didn't. This is actually Speedy's idea. Do you
- 33:53Speaker 3: remember the famous murder, the UMWA president, the family, the
- 33:57Speaker 3: whole deal?
- 33:59Speaker 2: And so we're going to get into all that.
- 34:01Speaker 3: Plus, with Labor Day being the kickoff, unofficial kickoff to
- 34:05Speaker 3: campaign season, which I counter with they never end now,
- 34:08Speaker 3: but it used to be, we're going to talk about
- 34:09Speaker 3: some of the big races from back in the day.
- 34:12Speaker 3: Talk about some Arch Moore, Jay Rockefeller stuff from 60s
- 34:15Speaker 3: and early 70s.
- 34:16Speaker 2: And that kind of thing.
- 34:18Speaker 6: Awesome.
- 34:18Speaker 1: Awesome.
- 34:18Speaker 3: That'll be during the 2 o'clock hour coming up on
- 34:21Speaker 3: Tuesday's show. Tex says, they don't get enough credit, but
- 34:25Speaker 3: family-owned Geno's in South Charleston has the best breaded wings
- 34:28Speaker 3: and house-made ranch dressing. I have not tried them in
- 34:31Speaker 3: South Charleston, but I can tell you for a fact
- 34:34Speaker 3: that Geno's, I've eaten at that Geno's.
- 34:36Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever had the wings, though, the
- 34:39Speaker 2: one where I live in Taze Valley.
- 34:40Speaker 3: I mean, the naked wings, they call them. I've never
- 34:46Speaker 3: had chicken wings from Gino's. I can't get past the Pubwich.
- 34:50Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 34:50Speaker 2: Pubwich, I'm in. And just the way that your Italian
- 34:53Speaker 2: ancestors made them, right?
- 34:54Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 34:55Speaker 2: Yeah, the fancy calzones. They don't call them pepperoni rolls. Oh,
- 34:59Speaker 2: here we go.
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- 35:19Speaker 3: I do, as I said, I have a reason for
- 35:20Speaker 3: having you here because I've got a story I want
- 35:22Speaker 3: you to tell. But before I do that, and I
- 35:25Speaker 3: know that you don't like to talk a lot of
- 35:26Speaker 3: politics on the air because you are trying to sell
- 35:30Speaker 3: clothing and you sell to both sides. But I did
- 35:34Speaker 3: want to just get your take on this because I
- 35:35Speaker 3: think it's interesting. Governor Justice, it has been, sorry, Senator Justice,
- 35:42Speaker 3: it has been rumored that he wants to come back
- 35:45Speaker 3: to run for governor. Yesterday on TalkLine, T.J. pressed him
- 35:48Speaker 3: on it.
- 35:48Speaker 1: T.J.
- 35:49Speaker 3: Said, is it safe to say that you are considering
- 35:52Speaker 3: running for governor and that you have an interest? And
- 35:54Speaker 3: his quote was, I am 100 percent interested. Of course,
- 35:59Speaker 3: there's a lead story, WVMetroNews.com. Again, I'm not asking you
- 36:02Speaker 3: to take sides or anything like that, but it would
- 36:04Speaker 3: be interesting, I think, if Governor Morrissey decides to run
- 36:10Speaker 3: for re-election, to have those two in the primary.
- 36:12Speaker 2: I think it would be a fascinating primary, plus other
- 36:14Speaker 2: people will probably jump in, too, and dilute the water. So,
- 36:20Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. It's fascinating. I love politics.
- 36:23Speaker 2: It's watching. It's a full-contact sport.
- 36:25Speaker 4: It is.
- 36:26Speaker 2: It is, indeed. But, yeah, it's just fascinating. All right.
- 36:29Speaker 3: So here's why I had you here. You sent me
- 36:31Speaker 3: something the other day that I thought was really interesting.
- 36:34Speaker 3: And it was the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire. Now, this
- 36:39Speaker 3: happened March the 25th, 1911, in New York City. And
- 36:44Speaker 3: you may be, it's a tragic story. I mean, what
- 36:47Speaker 3: was it, 100?
- 36:47Speaker 2: 146 workers died. Were killed on this day.
- 36:52Speaker 3: And the reason that it is important beyond just the
- 36:55Speaker 3: tragedy of it all is because It actually set off
- 36:59Speaker 3: a whole series of things, and this is important around
- 37:02Speaker 3: Labor Day, workplace safety and so on and so forth.
- 37:06Speaker 2: But tell us the story of.
- 37:07Speaker 3: What happened at that facility.
- 37:10Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they don't know how the fire actually started.
- 37:12Speaker 2: They think it started by a lit cigarette thrown into
- 37:16Speaker 2: the scrap box under the cutting table. And to this
- 37:20Speaker 2: day in our store, we have a cutting table and
- 37:22Speaker 2: a scrap box there. Now, we don't smoke anymore. My
- 37:24Speaker 2: dad still smoked, and the table still has all the
- 37:27Speaker 2: cigarette burns from it. And that seems like a plausible cause. Yeah,
- 37:32Speaker 2: I was doing a.
- 37:33Speaker 3: Little reading about this earlier, and they did not allow
- 37:36Speaker 3: smoking at that facility. But it was well known that
- 37:40Speaker 3: employees would sneak them in.
- 37:41Speaker 2: Right, and blow the smoke through their lapel. Most of
- 37:44Speaker 2: the cutters were men. Sewers were women and children back then.
- 37:49Speaker 2: So the fire started. Time to escape, the doors were locked, padlocked,
- 37:55Speaker 2: which they did that for several reasons. The owners, allegedly,
- 38:00Speaker 2: to prevent people from going to stairwells to smoke, also
- 38:03Speaker 2: to prevent union organizers from coming in. The International Ladies
- 38:08Speaker 2: Garment Workers Union was formed around 1900. It was trying
- 38:12Speaker 2: to unionize some of these shops because of working conditions
- 38:16Speaker 2: and labor rates and various other issues that labor has
- 38:21Speaker 2: with management. Um, and that they were trapped and literally
- 38:26Speaker 2: people were diving out of the windows to their death.
- 38:29Speaker 2: And it's just an amazing, tragic fire. Uh, again, 146
- 38:36Speaker 2: people died, 123 women and 23 men.
- 38:40Speaker 3: Uh, and the average ages were very young.
- 38:43Speaker 2: Well, the, the, they were aged 14 to 23, all
- 38:46Speaker 2: Italian and Jewish recent immigrants. Um, that's, uh, just awfully tragic.
- 38:53Speaker 2: And sadly, to this day, these same types of tragedies
- 38:57Speaker 2: happen in these slave labor countries where you want to
- 39:00Speaker 2: get your $ 5 shine shirt and all that. I mean,
- 39:04Speaker 2: think about it. They're bringing a shirt all the way
- 39:07Speaker 2: across the world to your doorstep for $ 5. Those are
- 39:10Speaker 2: slave wage, not wages, slave factories. And the same type
- 39:16Speaker 2: of working conditions that these Yeah.
- 39:18Speaker 3: We've evolved in this country, but other countries haven't. They
- 39:23Speaker 3: haven't evolved.
- 39:24Speaker 2: But in terms of Labor Day, this kind of kick-started
- 39:27Speaker 2: the International Ladies Garment Workers Union for more members. And
- 39:34Speaker 2: as they started pushing for better working conditions, better treatment
- 39:38Speaker 2: of the employees, and it established literally collective bargaining rights
- 39:42Speaker 2: for garment workers across the country. That turned into that
- 39:48Speaker 2: union and then another The tailors union was mostly men.
- 39:53Speaker 2: They bonded together and became the Amalgated Clothing and Textiles
- 39:57Speaker 2: Workers Union. And if you look in some old suits
- 40:00Speaker 2: and stuff, you'll see they label almost everything made in
- 40:04Speaker 2: the USA. And it was a union shop. And mostly
- 40:06Speaker 2: throughout the United States. The South was still kind of non-union,
- 40:09Speaker 2: but most everything was union labeled in union shops. And
- 40:13Speaker 2: what they would provide is knowledge of people who know
- 40:16Speaker 2: how to operate certain machines, certain skill levels. And the
- 40:20Speaker 2: wage rates went with that type of skill from cutters
- 40:24Speaker 2: all the way down to just people who sewed on buttons.
- 40:28Speaker 2: But as time went on and crazy treaties by both
- 40:33Speaker 2: parties that sold out the American worker, the union at
- 40:37Speaker 2: its peak in 1969 had 450,000 apparel workers unionized in America. Today,
- 40:39Speaker 2: in the same union, less than 7,000 work in the
- 40:52Speaker 2: apparel sector.
- 40:53Speaker 3: Is that because of what you mentioned earlier?
- 40:56Speaker 2: NAFTA.
- 40:57Speaker 4: Okay.
- 40:58Speaker 2: NAFTA. NAFTA. That's what caused it. I watched 10,000 people
- 41:03Speaker 2: get fired one weekend. And the union was not in,
- 41:07Speaker 2: you know, they, they had something to do with it too.
- 41:09Speaker 1: Sure.
- 41:09Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 41:10Speaker 2: Uh, they, you know, they didn't see the writing on
- 41:11Speaker 2: the wall until it was too late, but, uh, yeah,
- 41:14Speaker 2: basically that, but, um, What came out of all this
- 41:18Speaker 2: tragedy was better building construction codes for factories and for
- 41:26Speaker 2: other buildings, limiting hours of working, child labor laws, workers'
- 41:33Speaker 2: compensation came out of this. I think your wife kind
- 41:36Speaker 2: of threw that in on that.
- 41:38Speaker 3: Yeah, we were discussing it, and she is in the
- 41:41Speaker 3: workers' compensation field now. And that's what she said. There
- 41:45Speaker 3: were a lot of reforms. This was one of the
- 41:47Speaker 3: things that led to the birth of workers' compensation.
- 41:49Speaker 2: It was such a huge tragedy before even Labor Day.
- 41:53Speaker 2: I think Labor Day wasn't even founded yet. But, yeah,
- 41:55Speaker 2: it's a big deal. And, you know, to this day,
- 41:59Speaker 2: in fact, I'll give myself a plug here. On September 17th,
- 42:03Speaker 2: we have a Made in USA trunk show. And we're
- 42:06Speaker 2: featuring four of our vendors that are all union with
- 42:10Speaker 2: apparel workers, Oxford Clothes. Rochester Tailored Clothing, which is the
- 42:15Speaker 2: old Hickey Freeman. Hickey Freeman's no longer. The plant's still there.
- 42:18Speaker 2: They make my private label clothing. Allen Edmonds Footwear and
- 42:23Speaker 2: Lend Belts, all USA made by American workers and union
- 42:27Speaker 2: American workers.
- 42:29Speaker 3: What would you say? We talked about this a little
- 42:31Speaker 3: bit on Midday yesterday, Tony. What would you say to
- 42:34Speaker 3: the people that say, OK, it's 2026.
- 42:36Speaker 2: We can all.
- 42:39Speaker 3: Recognize all the tragedies that happen. And there's a lot
- 42:43Speaker 3: of correlation between the mining industry and the steel industries
- 42:46Speaker 3: as well. But 2026, I mean, you know, do we
- 42:51Speaker 3: really need to still be talking about unions today?
- 42:53Speaker 2: Not talking about history, but talking about today. I think so.
- 42:57Speaker 2: What I look for in a union, if I were
- 42:58Speaker 2: to hire somebody in a union, would be skills, that
- 43:02Speaker 2: they're qualified for skill level. electrician's union. I know that
- 43:07Speaker 2: they know what they're doing. They put a panel in.
- 43:08Speaker 2: Plumber's union. Not much left in the tailor's union, but again,
- 43:12Speaker 2: they still have skill levels, and you know what your
- 43:15Speaker 2: wage is going in. And I think that's what I
- 43:19Speaker 2: look for in a union. In the old days, you know,
- 43:23Speaker 2: who knows what happened. The 70s, a little rough. On
- 43:26Speaker 2: the unions because of corruption. Let's be fair. Very self-inflicted.
- 43:35Speaker 2: The unions were rough on the unions.
- 43:36Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
- 43:37Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
- 43:37Speaker 2: And, you know, the upper echelon, you know, they really
- 43:41Speaker 2: didn't care about the workers. They cared about themselves. I'm
- 43:44Speaker 2: going to tell a story here. Don't get me fired.
- 43:46Speaker 2: I'm not going to get you fired, but this guy
- 43:49Speaker 2: should have been fired. He was the president of a
- 43:51Speaker 2: union here. I'm not going to say which one, but
- 43:53Speaker 2: this is back in the 90s. Came to my father's store.
- 43:56Speaker 2: He wanted to buy a union-made suit.
- 43:58Speaker 7: Great.
- 43:59Speaker 2: We had it. It was $ 695. He didn't want to
- 44:01Speaker 2: pay that much. Well, the next step down was a
- 44:04Speaker 2: non-union USA-made suit and then went down to imports. And
- 44:09Speaker 2: he asked me if I could sew a union label
- 44:11Speaker 2: into one of the imports. And I'd use an expletive
- 44:17Speaker 2: and told him to leave the store because that's a
- 44:20Speaker 2: federal crime. But see, that's the problem with some of
- 44:22Speaker 2: the unions. The top shelf, they're driving around in their
- 44:26Speaker 2: big Lincoln Continentals and their Cadillacs, which is built onto
- 44:32Speaker 2: the backs of the workers. Talking to Tony DeTaylor, it
- 44:36Speaker 2: is 9.52. We'll take a break.
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- 46:28Speaker 3: says unions can be a fine thing. They put can
- 46:31Speaker 3: in all caps. Unions can be a fine thing. Just
- 46:33Speaker 3: keep politics out of them and keep them out of politics.
- 46:37Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's where the corruption starts. That and
- 46:41Speaker 2: a mob. casinos, you know, they funded Vegas.
- 46:46Speaker 3: I want to go back to what, again, we're talking
- 46:49Speaker 3: about this, the fire in New York City that you
- 46:52Speaker 3: brought to my attention, which was what led to a
- 46:55Speaker 3: lot of union uprisings and also led to things like
- 46:58Speaker 3: workers' compensation and different worker reform laws and so on
- 47:01Speaker 3: and so forth. The majority of the, it's a different,
- 47:04Speaker 3: and again, I wasn't around then, and you're old, but
- 47:07Speaker 3: you weren't around then either. You know, you talked about
- 47:11Speaker 3: the ages of those people killed, 146 people ages 14
- 47:14Speaker 3: to 23, primarily, if not all, immigrants.
- 47:20Speaker 2: They were fresh off the boat. Italians and.
- 47:25Speaker 3: Jewish people. Yeah, Jewish people. I mean, when they came in,
- 47:29Speaker 3: they didn't have a whole lot. They just wanted to
- 47:32Speaker 3: go to work.
- 47:32Speaker 2: They just wanted to go to work. Italians always want
- 47:35Speaker 2: to go to work. They built this country. They came
- 47:37Speaker 2: here and mined coal.
- 47:39Speaker 8: Literally.
- 47:40Speaker 2: I mean, look at all the coal mining, how many
- 47:42Speaker 2: Italian communities are in coal mining community, Italians. Clarksburg, Fairmont, Logan.
- 47:46Speaker 2: How many Italians are in Logan? A lot. Smithers, Boomer. Smithers,
- 47:51Speaker 2: we went to college. I went to college in Montgomery.
- 47:54Speaker 2: It was called Tallytown. I mean, that's it. But, I mean,
- 48:00Speaker 2: Italians came to work.
- 48:02Speaker 3: Do you think there's a difference? I know I'm trying
- 48:05Speaker 3: not to get you in political waters here. But do
- 48:07Speaker 3: you think there's a difference, though, between people– who came
- 48:10Speaker 3: here at that time wanting to assimilate to America. Many
- 48:14Speaker 3: changed their names and so on and so forth. I
- 48:16Speaker 3: don't think they need to do that. As opposed to
- 48:19Speaker 3: what we hear, right or wrong, about people coming here
- 48:23Speaker 3: and not wanting to assimilate.
- 48:24Speaker 2: Press two for Spanish. That's all you need. No, you assimilate.
- 48:29Speaker 2: Italians assimilated. My grandfather, who immigrated, was a stonemason from Italy.
- 48:34Speaker 2: Him and my grandmother came over. Speaking Italian was forbidden
- 48:38Speaker 2: in the household. You had to speak English because that
- 48:41Speaker 2: is the language of this country. And he's correct because
- 48:45Speaker 2: you had to assimilate it. Now, they still kept their culture.
- 48:49Speaker 2: They still kept their foods, which now everybody rips off
- 48:53Speaker 2: and uses mafia slurs to promote it. But, you know,
- 48:57Speaker 2: that's another thing. We're the only race that you can
- 48:59Speaker 2: still be racist against without any repercussions. But, yeah, but
- 49:05Speaker 2: also I watch movies. Now the big wave is Chinese, Asians.
- 49:10Speaker 2: I think Indians are going to be the next big wave.
- 49:14Speaker 2: Most of them assimilate and they keep their culture, but
- 49:18Speaker 2: they adapt and keep moving.
- 49:20Speaker 3: Well, there was a comedian one time that used the term,
- 49:25Speaker 3: America's a melting pot, for God's sakes, melt.
- 49:28Speaker 2: You know, you're and.
- 49:30Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in you can still hold on
- 49:32Speaker 3: to your culture. There's nothing wrong with holding on to
- 49:33Speaker 3: your culture. I hold on to your traditions, your holidays,
- 49:35Speaker 3: things of that nature.
- 49:36Speaker 2: But you have to communicate with other cultures and there's
- 49:38Speaker 2: more common language. TJ Meadows, want to weigh in on this, Meadows?
- 49:43Speaker 2: I agree.
- 49:45Speaker 3: Are you rocking the Tony the Taylor gear over there?
- 49:48Speaker 5: I am. Got my WVU gear on from Tony the Taylor.
- 49:51Speaker 5: Had some shirts on down at the Greenbrier over there.
- 49:54Speaker 2: You like their shirts?
- 49:55Speaker 7: I do.
- 49:55Speaker 8: They're great.
- 49:56Speaker 2: They're good looking. You did a good job picking those out.
- 49:59Speaker 2: We all know better. Tony did that.
- 50:02Speaker 5: But no, look, I agree. When you decide to become
- 50:06Speaker 5: an American, you assimilate. You become American. And as Dave said,
- 50:10Speaker 5: you don't leave your culture behind necessarily. You bring the
- 50:12Speaker 5: best elements.
- 50:14Speaker 2: Of what you had with you.
- 50:15Speaker 5: And then you also take in the best elements of
- 50:17Speaker 5: what everybody else brought to this country and you become
- 50:20Speaker 5: an American.
- 50:21Speaker 6: Exactly.
- 50:21Speaker 2: I wholeheartedly agree.
- 50:23Speaker 3: Texas, look at the dangers now with all the immigrant
- 50:27Speaker 3: illegal truck drivers now that do not speak English. You
- 50:30Speaker 3: can't read the road signs. Look at the accidents that
- 50:31Speaker 3: have happened because of that.
- 50:33Speaker 2: I mean, we feature that on the show. That happens,
- 50:35Speaker 2: and it's terrible. Again, it goes back to setting standards
- 50:39Speaker 2: and holding people to standards.
- 50:41Speaker 6: Mr.
- 50:41Speaker 3: Perenzino, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show.
- 50:43Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. And if you're heading up.
- 50:46Speaker 3: To Morgantown tomorrow, you need to get your WVU apparel.
- 50:49Speaker 2: They're doing the whiteout tomorrow. We have them today. We
- 50:51Speaker 2: have the whiteout today, tomorrow, and I'll be open early Saturday.
- 50:54Speaker 2: If you're staying in town, still need a whiteout shirt
- 50:57Speaker 2: to come. I'll be at the groove wearing my whiteout
- 51:01Speaker 2: stuff and eating smash burgers with Sean Taylor. All right.
- 51:05Speaker 2: What you got today?
- 51:06Speaker 5: Nick Preservati, state energy czar on this new data center
- 51:09Speaker 5: announcement made yesterday. Twelve billion dollars to Mason County. Of course,
- 51:13Speaker 5: Hoppy Kirchhoff will join us. I'm sure we'll talk about
- 51:15Speaker 5: politics with him. Brian Abraham of AEP. What's it all
- 51:18Speaker 5: mean for your power bill?
- 51:19Speaker 2: We'll find out. Brian Abraham, Logan High Class of 1988.
- 51:21Speaker 2: Represent L.A.
- 51:21Speaker 13: L.A.
- 51:24Speaker 3: All right, Meadows and Wilson coming up with Talk Line
- 51:26Speaker 3: at 10.06. I'll be back later today with Metro News
- 51:28Speaker 3: Midday with 13 News and tonight live Anchorman to Bear.
- 51:30Speaker 3: No local show on Monday. We'll see you on this
- 51:33Speaker 3: show on Tuesday. Until then, have fun and love somebody.