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Female Firsts: Lucy Diggs Slowe · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I've never told you protection of Hiar Radio. It's time
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Speaker 1: for another female first, which means we are once again
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Speaker 1: so happy to be joined to have joining us, to
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Speaker 1: be joined by our good friend and co worker Eve's hives.
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Speaker 1: Hi Hi. Was that stumble over that based on the
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Speaker 1: fact that you said that in passive voice or was
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Speaker 1: that just like a way that you must say it.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that because in high school I
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Speaker 1: had a very very intense grammar teacher and she was
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Speaker 1: like well known throughout the school for making people cry.
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Speaker 1: She was really strict, and she hated the passive voice.
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Speaker 1: And so when I catch myself writing in it or
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Speaker 1: do it, even if I think sometimes it's not as
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Speaker 1: big a deal as she made it out to be,
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Speaker 1: or that it fits the situation, I hear Mrs Ham's
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Speaker 1: voice in the back of my head. So it is
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Speaker 1: a thing where clearly I still get hug up on it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to call you out on that. It's
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Speaker 1: just it was just that something that I noticed, you know,
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Speaker 1: as a person who was an editor and you know,
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Speaker 1: thinks about grammar because it's one of those things that
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Speaker 1: never really mattered, like at all of what it does
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Speaker 1: actually make something a little bit more difficult to understand.
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Speaker 1: But like there are so many things that may matter
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Speaker 1: on the page that shouldn't be staunch rules when we're
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Speaker 1: just like speaking. So I just related, Yeah, well, thank
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Speaker 1: you picked up on it. I think about it every
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Speaker 1: day because the part of this job is communicating and writing,
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Speaker 1: and I'm always like, how can I write this and
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Speaker 1: not the passive voice, which actually relates to kind of
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Speaker 1: what I was going to ask before we get into this,
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Speaker 1: because we've been talking about sororities and fraternity these and
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Speaker 1: all of this relates to the topic to the woman
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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss today. But I was curious how
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Speaker 1: both of you your college experiences were, how you kind
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Speaker 1: of remember them. You don't have to go in depth,
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Speaker 1: but you know, kind of on the surface, how was
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Speaker 1: it for you. I wanted Samantha to go first. Oh, man,
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Speaker 1: I was first. I try to see because mine's boring.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm super religious in college, so I did a
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Speaker 1: lot of like religious things, including mission trips. And I
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Speaker 1: really regret, not regret the people that I've met, because
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Speaker 1: I feel like I've met some really cool people. But
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Speaker 1: if I had to do it over again, I would
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Speaker 1: have made a few more mistakes. I feel like I've
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Speaker 1: missed out on a lot of that. I did tell
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Speaker 1: my niece, who just recently graduated college, when she started,
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Speaker 1: I was like, enjoy it, truly, enjoy it, do what
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Speaker 1: you want, and don't be afraid to do some mischievous
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Speaker 1: not illegal necessarily, but mischievous things, and make good friend shows.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I was really boring, not bad. Like we
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Speaker 1: were talking some of the things that I had some
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Speaker 1: flashbacks and going to Tate Center at the University of Georgia,
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Speaker 1: which is where all the kids hung out, or any
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Speaker 1: of the organizations that try to recruit you, or even
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Speaker 1: our college campus preachers who would just scream at people.
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Speaker 1: That was where they hung out. So that's what I
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Speaker 1: remember when we were talking about all of that, And
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Speaker 1: of course we were talking about sororities and trying to
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Speaker 1: be recruited. That's where they hung out majority of the time.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, very very boring essentially. Yeah, that didn't sound
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Speaker 1: boring to me at all. I mean, I just I
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Speaker 1: let me think college was good. I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: feel like it was a lot different than my high
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Speaker 1: school experience was coming out of high school obviously, as
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Speaker 1: it is for like many people, but I was like,
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Speaker 1: I was a nerd, and I've been a nerd and
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Speaker 1: I'm still a nerd. So I was still that throughout college.
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Speaker 1: But I did have a lot of fun, like you know,
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Speaker 1: I spent I was in Atlanta for most of my time,
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Speaker 1: I was in Savana for some of my time, and
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Speaker 1: in France for a very short time. But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: had a great time. I feel like I had a
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Speaker 1: good school work life balance. Surprisingly, like I was able
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Speaker 1: to still have new experiences with my friends and meet
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Speaker 1: new people and party and did make a lot of mistakes,
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Speaker 1: so that one Samantha Um, But I enjoyed it. You know,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do anything differently. I I feel like the
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Speaker 1: reason I chose Georgia Tech was a very foolish reason.
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Speaker 1: It was mostly monetary. But the second thing was I
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Speaker 1: thought I was in Atlanta so I had party a lot.
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Speaker 1: That's not the case. I definitely party more now than
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Speaker 1: I did. So I really enjoyed college because I also
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Speaker 1: have a nerd and I love like reading and I
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Speaker 1: love challenging points of view or just new ways of
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Speaker 1: thinking that I owner there those like terrifying liberal new
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Speaker 1: thoughts that you have, but I hated homework and I
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Speaker 1: still hate homework, and so it was like, if I
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Speaker 1: could just go to the class and have the Dorom experience,
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Speaker 1: that was amazing. The homework experience was a nightmare. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I also in high school, I didn't have to study.
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Speaker 1: In college, it was like, oh wow, here's a scene
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Speaker 1: for sure. But yeah, I had some fun times. And
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Speaker 1: I actually started running for the first time again in
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Speaker 1: over a year, which means I had to. I brought
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Speaker 1: out my old playlist, my old exercise playlist, and so
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Speaker 1: many of the songs on there, or like songs I
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Speaker 1: loved in college. I'd be walking on Skyles walk Away
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Speaker 1: and this song would be playing, and it just brought
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Speaker 1: back a lot of a lot of those memories. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love those songs that you can pinpoint moments in
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Speaker 1: time that they're related to and they become kind of
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Speaker 1: like the medic songs in your life. But it's funny
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Speaker 1: because I was the opposite of you, Annie. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: in college, I wasn't really yeah, but I was the
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Speaker 1: opposite of you in terms of homework. I have a
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Speaker 1: literal VHS tape of me when I was a child
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Speaker 1: in elementary school saying that I loved homework, Like when
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't remember what I was being interview for.
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Speaker 1: I think I was in like some sort of play
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Speaker 1: and somebody asked me, like, Eaves, what do you like
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Speaker 1: or what do you like to do? And I was like,
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Speaker 1: homework so cute? Yeah, so I can't really bear loves homework.
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Speaker 1: I loved homework intill college. Oh no, I loved it
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Speaker 1: elementary school and middle school. I hated it in high school.
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Speaker 1: And but yes I would ask for extra mass sheets
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Speaker 1: because I loved doing all the calculation. I see. So
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Speaker 1: it it morphed, It transforms somehow somewhere along the way.
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Speaker 1: It did. It did when the professors were like, read
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Speaker 1: this three books tonight, and your whole score, your whole
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Speaker 1: g p A depends on the outcome of this one test.
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Speaker 1: That was not good for me, as I had a
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Speaker 1: nightmares about commas, mainly because later in the like AP
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Speaker 1: English and all of that, they're like, each common mistake
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Speaker 1: is thirty points and I'm like what what? And I
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Speaker 1: failed because of my one and a half common mistakes.
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Speaker 1: I still have nightmares about that. I think Commas, I
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Speaker 1: think we should relax about Comma. That's the quotable from
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Speaker 1: this episode. I think we still like about that. That
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Speaker 1: is a true belief that I hold. This all relates
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Speaker 1: to the person that we're talking about today, perhaps tangentially,
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Speaker 1: but it does. So who did you bring for us
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Speaker 1: to discuss today's Yeah, we have Lucy Dig's slow. So
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Speaker 1: she had a lot of first Like she was a
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Speaker 1: pioneer in many ways, and she is related to what
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Speaker 1: we were just talking about because she was in the
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Speaker 1: education field in school, she was a teacher, and she
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Speaker 1: cared a lot about the education and development of girls
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Speaker 1: and of black girls and women specifically. So she has
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Speaker 1: a lot of accomplishments, Like we could go down the
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Speaker 1: list of all of the organizations and the civil and
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Speaker 1: community and educational ventures, various ventures that she was involved in.
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Speaker 1: But as far as first, she was the first Dean
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Speaker 1: of Women at Howard University, and so the Dean of
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Speaker 1: Women was kind of this role where it was like
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Speaker 1: student affairs for women, like counseling, discipline, and student experiences
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Speaker 1: for the women's students at the school. Um. She was
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Speaker 1: also the first president of the National Association of College Women,
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Speaker 1: and she was one of the founders of the Alpha
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Speaker 1: Kappa Alpha sorority. So she is a big name in
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Speaker 1: the early nineteen hundreds and she did a lot in
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Speaker 1: terms of pioneering when it came to education for girls
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Speaker 1: and women and black women specifically in the US. Yes,
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Speaker 1: also tennis player. Also tennis player. How can I forget that? Yes,
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Speaker 1: that is also one of our first that we'll get to.
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Speaker 1: Tennis player. I've played tennis for a few years in
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Speaker 1: high school to speaking of, um, was not great at it.
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Speaker 1: It was one of those things where my dad was like,
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Speaker 1: he was really into tennis and he wanted me to
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Speaker 1: really be into tennis. And I actually really enjoyed it,
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Speaker 1: but I was also very bad. It is a fun sport.
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Speaker 1: I've actually been wanting to play it again in recent
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Speaker 1: years because it's it's a pretty accessible to Like, no,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't cost that much to have a rack in
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Speaker 1: their tennis course in a lot of places. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I really suck at tennis. I tried because my
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Speaker 1: all of my friends played, all of them played, and
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Speaker 1: I hope not great at sports outside of like give
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Speaker 1: me something to throw. Sure, but I remember a dude
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Speaker 1: who was flirting with me high to teach me I
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Speaker 1: was so bad he dropped his racket and walked off
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Speaker 1: within the first ten minutes. So I was like co
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Speaker 1: co cool. So I never learned it's no good. That
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Speaker 1: guy's no good. I've seen you play some Mario perty
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Speaker 1: tennis with decent amount of success. Yes, give me a week.
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Speaker 1: I still have to have some wrist action. There some
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Speaker 1: similar motor skills happening. Maybe it's the aim where it
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Speaker 1: just goes out of the tennis court with like the
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Speaker 1: tall chain like fans. It doesn't matter how tall it is,
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Speaker 1: I'll still get it out of there. So you're the
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Speaker 1: person who makes the person have to leave the court
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Speaker 1: every time. Who's not wrong for quinnin walking away? And
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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with what he did. It was an
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Speaker 1: absolute correct reaction. Yeah, So me and my friends used
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Speaker 1: to in high school. We would go at night at
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Speaker 1: like nine pm and there'd be no one there and
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Speaker 1: we play what we called for court tennis, and it
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Speaker 1: was some of the best exercise I've ever got in
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Speaker 1: my life because basically, the ball, as long as it
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Speaker 1: was bouncing, it was still employee. No matter where it was.
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Speaker 1: It was so fun. That sounds tiring, but yeah, you
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Speaker 1: gotta because you would hit it on like the ford court,
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Speaker 1: the opposite court. The other person's gotta run over there.
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Speaker 1: It was awesome anyway, all right, our tennis stories aside.
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Speaker 1: Shall we get into the story here, Yeah, let's do it.
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Speaker 1: So Lucy Dick Flow she was born July fourth, and
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Speaker 1: there's some discrepancy over the day whether that was eight
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Speaker 1: three or eighteen eighty five, but she was born in
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Speaker 1: Virginia and she was the youngest of seven children. Her
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Speaker 1: parents were Henry and Fanny Slow. They died when she
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Speaker 1: was pretty young, so she went to live with an
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Speaker 1: aunt in Lexington, Virginia. And in an autobiographical story, like
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Speaker 1: a semi autobiographical story of hers, she said that she
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Speaker 1: was going to live with her aunt, who quote didn't
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Speaker 1: believe in playing in the mud or with boys or
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Speaker 1: running up and down the road was more than I
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Speaker 1: could bear. So there was a lot of talk of
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Speaker 1: how her aunt was big on education and discipline, and
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Speaker 1: you can kind of tell that in her story as well,
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Speaker 1: because years later she moved to Baltimore with her family.
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Speaker 1: Apparently her aunt wanted them to go there so that
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Speaker 1: she would have a better education, so schools were segregated
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Speaker 1: at the time. She went to Baltimore High School and
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Speaker 1: she was pretty competitive in school. She graduated as salutatorian
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Speaker 1: and she decided that she wanted to go to college.
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Speaker 1: So using money that she got from scholarships and that
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Speaker 1: she got from jobs that she worked, she was able
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Speaker 1: to attend Howard University, which is an HBCU in d
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Speaker 1: C that was established back in sixty seven. She was
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Speaker 1: the first girl from Baltimore High to go to Howard
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Speaker 1: in the first to get a scholarship. And she was
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Speaker 1: super involved in things while she was at the university,
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Speaker 1: Like this is another place where you can go down
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Speaker 1: the list of things. She was involved in sports and
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Speaker 1: in student organizations, and it was here where she was
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Speaker 1: a founding member of a KA, which was the first
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Speaker 1: national Greek sorority for black women, which we talked about
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Speaker 1: a little bit talk um and the tennis comes in
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Speaker 1: here too because she was also president of the women's
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Speaker 1: tennis club. And she graduated from Howard in nineteen o eight.
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Speaker 1: So after graduating, she went back to Baltimore and she
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Speaker 1: taught English at Baltimore High School and she began teaching
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Speaker 1: at a time when public school officials were really hiring
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Speaker 1: black people to teach black students. And she once wrote
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Speaker 1: that she what she chose teaching the profession because she
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Speaker 1: was happier in that profession than she was in any
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Speaker 1: other profession. She had her own professional ambitions, but she
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Speaker 1: still she cared really deeply about the development of others
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Speaker 1: and the roots at black girls and black women took
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Speaker 1: in their careers and in their lives as well. So
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Speaker 1: in nineteen fifteen she got a master's degree in English
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Speaker 1: and comparative literature from Columbia University, and she began teaching
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Speaker 1: at Armstrong Manual Training School in Washington, d c. And
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Speaker 1: she taught English at Armstrong for four years before she
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Speaker 1: became the vice principle, which that job itself morphed into
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Speaker 1: the position of Dean of Girls. So this title and
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Speaker 1: the responsibilities that came along with it, they were highly
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Speaker 1: regarded and it prepared her for the positions that she
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Speaker 1: would have in the future. Of course, all of this stuff,
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Speaker 1: you can, you know, look at her history and see
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Speaker 1: how one thing is building up to the next, you know,
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Speaker 1: from teaching to dean um and to like president of
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Speaker 1: all these organizations and how all of her her social consciousness,
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Speaker 1: her interests in social justice and issues like racism, and
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Speaker 1: issues like education of black women, a those things kind
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Speaker 1: of aligned to create this very specific and like bright
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Speaker 1: path that she followed. She also won the first women's
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Speaker 1: national singles Championship of the American Tennis Association in nineteen seventeen.
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Speaker 1: So she was good at it. Unlike me, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I know what I was. I wasn't saying that for you.
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Speaker 1: I was saying us. I'm like not just yeah, she
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Speaker 1: was really good at it, and so she was awarded
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Speaker 1: in it, and uh, that was a pretty big spot
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Speaker 1: in her first and in nineteen nineteen she became the
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Speaker 1: principal of the first junior high school for black students
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Speaker 1: in d C, which was Shaw. While she was there,
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Speaker 1: she established a teacher development program and as far as personally,
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Speaker 1: like I said, there were also other issues that she
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Speaker 1: was interested in, and she advocated for black women who
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Speaker 1: participated in the suffrage movement as well. That was something
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Speaker 1: that she spoke out about. But back to her education.
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Speaker 1: In two she was appointed the first permanent dean of
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Speaker 1: women at Howard University. She was also hired at the
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Speaker 1: same time as a professor of English in the School
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Speaker 1: of Education, and when she was hired, she sent a
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Speaker 1: statement to the current president of the university laying out
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Speaker 1: what the terms of her employment were. So those included
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Speaker 1: that the salary for the two positions wouldn't be less
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Speaker 1: than three thousand and two hundred dollars and that all
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Speaker 1: policies pertaining to women in the university would come from
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Speaker 1: her office with the approval of the president. And there
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Speaker 1: were some other terms that she laid out in that saying,
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Speaker 1: did I get this right based on the conversation that
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Speaker 1: we had, this is what the positions are gonna look
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Speaker 1: like for me. And she immediately became really active in
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Speaker 1: the school and instituted things. She was also active in
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Speaker 1: the city of d C within that educated black middle
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Speaker 1: class that she was also a part of, and she
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Speaker 1: was immersed in the arts, particularly dance and theater. She
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Speaker 1: joined a literary club and a d Boys Circle, which
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Speaker 1: was a black women's club that discussed things like arts
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Speaker 1: and current events and other issues. And in ninete she
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Speaker 1: became the first president of the National Association of College Women,
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Speaker 1: which was an organization of black women in college graduates
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Speaker 1: at Liberal Arts colleges and universities, and you know that
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Speaker 1: this is also just in alignment with all the other
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Speaker 1: things she was doing. So in the first statement that
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Speaker 1: she gave as part of that organization, she noted that
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Speaker 1: it was formed to raise the standards and the colleges
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Speaker 1: where black women were educated, and to make better conditions
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Speaker 1: for black women's faculty, and to encourage more advanced scholarship
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Speaker 1: among women. And another thing that people have pointed out
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Speaker 1: about her stories that she was involved in the church
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Speaker 1: and she would sing in church choirs, but she was
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Speaker 1: also sometimes a bit critical of the traditional Black church
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Speaker 1: and the role that it played and how Black women
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Speaker 1: were affected by it. But um, she was really heavily
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Speaker 1: involved in her community in many different facets like and
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Speaker 1: obviously educational work is also community work, so she was
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Speaker 1: she just had her hands in so many, so many
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Speaker 1: pots when it came to the cultures that she was
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Speaker 1: invested in, education, the arts, and church. So she Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she organized tease for women's dormitories, and she also gave
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Speaker 1: an annual garden party at her home for the students.
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Speaker 1: But that's not to say that there wasn't any conflict
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Speaker 1: during her time at the University. In ninet Mordecai Johnson
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Speaker 1: became the first black president at Howard and they kind
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Speaker 1: of clashed from the beginning. So, for instance, he would
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Speaker 1: deny her request for pay raises, cut budgets for her,
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Speaker 1: took her office, some of the council's tried to get
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Speaker 1: her to live on campus, so they definitely put heads
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Speaker 1: over the time. But she stayed there until the time
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Speaker 1: that she died, so she was there for quite a
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Speaker 1: while um and made a lot of changes while she
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Speaker 1: was there, So women's education and leadership were things that
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Speaker 1: were very important to her. There was a nineteen thirty
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Speaker 1: one speech at the Teacher's College at Columbia University, and
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Speaker 1: I'll give you a quote from that speech. She said,
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Speaker 1: in the first place, most college administrators must change their
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Speaker 1: philosophy of education and reference to their women's students. They
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Speaker 1: must realize that, whether they like it or not, the
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Speaker 1: life that women are leading today is different from that
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Speaker 1: which was led by their grandmothers. For this present day
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Speaker 1: life demands that women must be ready to make their
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Speaker 1: contribution not only to the home, but also to the economic, political,
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Speaker 1: and civic life of the communities. So it's clear that
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Speaker 1: that was something that she was invested in herself and
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Speaker 1: was really interested in leaving other people to live that
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Speaker 1: sort of life and recognized that things were changing. She
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Speaker 1: advocated for the independence of women and for them branching
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Speaker 1: out in terms of what they pursued in their courses
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Speaker 1: of study. So all of these things were really merging
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Speaker 1: in her story, and she helped found the National Council
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Speaker 1: of Negro Women with Mary McLoud Bassoon, and she served
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Speaker 1: as the organization's first executive secretary. She was also interested
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Speaker 1: in the peace movement and was a member of the
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Speaker 1: Women's International League for Peace and Freedom. And it's the
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Speaker 1: thing that you know, people have talked about more in
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Speaker 1: her story in terms of her companionship with Mary Burrow,
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Speaker 1: who was a well known teacher and playwright in dc UM.
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Speaker 1: They lived together for the last fifteen years of Lucy
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Speaker 1: dig Slows life, and there was speculation that there were lovers.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, she remained Dean of Women until she died
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Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty seven of some health complications. And she's
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Speaker 1: had a bunch of things named after her, like a
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Speaker 1: dorm at Howard and a boring machine, which makes sense
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Speaker 1: based on her name. Lucy Dig slows just like lends
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Speaker 1: itself to pense. But she did so much during the
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Speaker 1: time that she was alive in regards to education and
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Speaker 1: the community work. And I think that her legacy really
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Speaker 1: lives on and people have acknowledged that in various ways
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Speaker 1: when it comes to actually naming things after her and
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Speaker 1: recognizing the work that she's done and trying to, you know,
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Speaker 1: get things making sure that we acknowledge the spaces that
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Speaker 1: she was in her house as historic place is and
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Speaker 1: her as a pioneer of the work that she was doing.
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Speaker 1: When you first sent the name, I was looking up like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: what what's she all about? And it was just like
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Speaker 1: so much, so much accomplished in a relatively short amount
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Speaker 1: of time. You can tell she had a passion and
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Speaker 1: was just fighting for it and then really made some
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Speaker 1: some changes. It's very impressive, very inspirational. Yea for sure.
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Speaker 1: And she's also part of this larger history too, when
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Speaker 1: it comes to something like the a k A sorority history,
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Speaker 1: the history of Howard University and HBCUs, like there's also
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Speaker 1: this looming is it's like a negative word, but like
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Speaker 1: this overarching history of black people, of black education, of
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Speaker 1: women's education and all of those other offshoots of the
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Speaker 1: things that she was doing. She was wrapped up in that.
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Speaker 1: And also Harlem Renaissance kind of eating into that too,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, she she was definitely Arson culture like that
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Speaker 1: was another element of the things she was interested in.
23:06
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's she touched a lot of points, and
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Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating in that way where it's like
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Speaker 1: we can learn so much just from the way she
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Speaker 1: was moving and the things that she was interested in
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Speaker 1: about the time, and about the causes and the issues
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Speaker 1: that people were concerned with, and and how her upbringing
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Speaker 1: lt to that. Yeah, and also tennis also tennis, I
23:30
Speaker 1: keep forgetting about that sport. Yes, yeah, that's that's always
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Speaker 1: impressive to me when people have those like two things
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Speaker 1: that they're really good at that aren't correlated necessarily, and
23:45
Speaker 1: you're like, it's like, how do you have the time? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is making me want to play tennis. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you that. It's I still in my old racket, but
23:56
Speaker 1: it's been a minute, so I think it might be
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Speaker 1: a disaster. M H. I believe in you. Thank you, Eves,
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Speaker 1: thank you. I need all the help. I think, yes,
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Speaker 1: there anything else that you want to add before we
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Speaker 1: wrap up. No, I think that's all okay, Well, where
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24:35
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24:38
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