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Joe Rogan Experience 2335 Dr. Mary Talley Bowden · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Jo podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out The Joe Logan Experience, Trained My Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Rogan podcast, by Night, All Day. All right, Very nice
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  Speaker 1: to meet you. I have I saw you on the
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  Speaker 1: Danny Jones podcast, and I've read a lot of your
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  Speaker 1: tweets and Twitter and just the the entire ordeal that
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  Speaker 1: you've been through since the beginning of COVID, and so
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  Speaker 1: I felt it could be very educational for people to
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  Speaker 1: hear your perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you continuing to talk about COVID because
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are sick of it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm certainly ready to move on, but.
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  Speaker 1: I am too. But it's just people need to make
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  Speaker 1: sure this doesn't happen again.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, nothing's happened. Really, nothing's been corrected.
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  Speaker 1: No, not only has nothing been corrected. I was just
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  Speaker 1: watching an argument on television where they were trying to
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  Speaker 1: argue for were of vaccinating women who are pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's insane. I mean, there's a there's a golden
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  Speaker 2: rule of pregnancy, right. You don't you don't experiment on
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  Speaker 2: pregnant women. You don't experiment on an unborn child.
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  Speaker 1: You're not even supposed to eat sushi.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, right, But we're going to put this modified mRNA
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  Speaker 2: technology into these women who you know, early treatment. We
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  Speaker 2: have early treatment. COVID is no longer a threat we're dealing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, at one point it was more than a cold,
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  Speaker 2: but not now. Why in the world will we give
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  Speaker 2: them to pregnant women or children?
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  Speaker 1: The only thing that makes sense is money, right, well,
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  Speaker 1: an ego and ego meaning because they've already recommended it,
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  Speaker 1: because they don't want to admit that it's not effective,
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to admit their side effects.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we have we have hard facts showing it
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  Speaker 2: should be pulled off the market. I mean, any other
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  Speaker 2: product would have been pulled a long time ago. If
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  Speaker 2: this we're an antibiotic and we'd seen all the the
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  Speaker 2: carnage from an antibody, it would have been yanked off
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  Speaker 2: long ago. It should have been yanked off in the
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  Speaker 2: first month. They're just there's no other explanation. Then there's
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  Speaker 2: just there's fraud, there's corruption, there's ego, there's money. But
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  Speaker 2: it's not science.
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  Speaker 1: No, And there's a lot of people that, for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: they have this very rigid ideology that the pharmaceutical drug
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  Speaker 1: companies are to be trusted, and we should trust the
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  Speaker 1: science and at all these organizations, whether it's the FDA
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, it's connected to these assertions. They
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  Speaker 1: should be trusted, not just the average doctor who's talking
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  Speaker 1: about these side effects and all these different things that
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  Speaker 1: they're experiencing with their patients.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I trusted them when the pandemic started.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I didn't think that the shots would work necessarily,
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  Speaker 2: but I trusted them. I didn't think they were going
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  Speaker 2: to hurt us.
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  Speaker 1: Why didn't you think they would work.
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  Speaker 2: Because they were rushed to the market. I knew the
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  Speaker 2: flu shots were already if he were dealing with a
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  Speaker 2: virus that mutates, We've never been able to vaccinate against
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  Speaker 2: a cold, which you know, it's a rapidly mutating virus.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's it's been tried before and it's failed.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't mind, please tell everybody what your background
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  Speaker 1: is in medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'm private practice, solo physician. I'm not head
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  Speaker 2: of the Mayo Clinic. I'm just a you know, neighborhood
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  Speaker 2: eurins and throat doctor that sort of got tangled up
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  Speaker 2: in this inadvertently. And I always thought when the pandemic started.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, well, this will be the hospital, This will
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  Speaker 2: be a chaos in the hospitals. I never envisioned getting
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  Speaker 2: wrapped up in this at all. I you know, I
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  Speaker 2: trained at Stanford, and then I moved to Texas after residency,
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  Speaker 2: and then I worked in a small private practice for
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  Speaker 2: seven eight years. Then I started having a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: children and I pretty much gave up medicine and I
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  Speaker 2: took a seven year sabbatical. I wasn't even sure I
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  Speaker 2: was going to go back, but then I just had
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  Speaker 2: this itch that needed to be scratched, and I opened
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  Speaker 2: up a solo practice six months before the pandemic started.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, yeah what I know. Why Why did I
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  Speaker 2: do it?
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  Speaker 1: You can't have it out, I know. Yeah, Well, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: the universe has a calling for people.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's been a very interesting journey.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so take us through what happened with you
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  Speaker 1: at the very beginning. Like, so, COVID starts making its
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  Speaker 1: way across the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had people coming in with respiratory tract
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  Speaker 2: infections that were stubborn. They were not you know, the
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  Speaker 2: typical colds. And there was all this news that there's
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  Speaker 2: this virus from China. But you know, you watch something
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  Speaker 2: on the news, you think, oh, you know, that's not
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  Speaker 2: going to really affect me. But you know, I started
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  Speaker 2: having more and more patients coming in, and at first
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  Speaker 2: I really didn't know what to do. I just used
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  Speaker 2: common sense. I mean, I treated the symptoms. I used
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  Speaker 2: breathing treatments, I covered for secondary infection at the antibotics,
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  Speaker 2: used steroids, that sort of thing, and I had success.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't have a lot of people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: showing up at my doorstep treat me for COVID. But
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  Speaker 2: I did start having people wanting to get tested. And
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  Speaker 2: you might remember that Lab Core was the first lab
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  Speaker 2: in the country to offer the test, and they just
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  Speaker 2: got completely slammed. So it took two weeks to get
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  Speaker 2: the results back. We were already working. I was already
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  Speaker 2: working with a lab for patients with chronic signy ciitis
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  Speaker 2: who they were doing a PCR testing for chronic signy sidis.
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  Speaker 2: SO tests for bacterial and fungal infections of the sinuses.
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  Speaker 2: It's called micro gen d X, and they came out
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  Speaker 2: with a saliva test for COVID SO and we were
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  Speaker 2: able to get the results back the next day. So
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  Speaker 2: I started offering that, and my little clinic exploded because
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  Speaker 2: and I'm located in a strip mall, which is is
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  Speaker 2: very purposeful. I'm very close to the medical center, which
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  Speaker 2: is you know, to get your doctor's office, it's a
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  Speaker 2: ten minute navigation of the parking garage. There another ten
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  Speaker 2: minute walk to the office. And so I was trying
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  Speaker 2: to locate my office where it was very easy to
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  Speaker 2: get in and out of. And then that served me
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  Speaker 2: very well during the pandemic because with these saliva tests,
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  Speaker 2: you could just take the cup to somebody's car, they
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  Speaker 2: could spit in the cup, they could leave it outside.
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  Speaker 2: It was contact free, you didn't have to shoved up
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  Speaker 2: your nose, and then we got the results back the
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  Speaker 2: next day. And so that sort of made me put
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  Speaker 2: me on the map in my little neighborhood. And then
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  Speaker 2: I started tracking you know who when the vaccines came out,
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  Speaker 2: I started tracking who was positive, you know, by their
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  Speaker 2: vaccination status, and so I started noticing that the vaccine
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  Speaker 2: wasn't working, and that's sort of what got me in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: I also started giving monoclonal antibodies and I didn't ration them.
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  Speaker 2: So I became known in town as the place you
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  Speaker 2: could get monoclonal antibodies without you know, having to pass
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  Speaker 2: you know, being a certain race or certain age or yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think that was all about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Colonel. Antibodies is very frustrating to me.
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  Speaker 2: They worked very well. They were not controversial. People would
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  Speaker 2: turn around the next day. But when they first came out,
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  Speaker 2: I could get as many doses as I wanted. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they show up at my doorstep the next day and
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  Speaker 2: it was great. I mean that also sort of put
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  Speaker 2: me on the map with COVID and then I didn't
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  Speaker 2: even use ivermectin until the government took over a distribution
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  Speaker 2: of monoclonal antibodies, and then it became harder and harder
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  Speaker 2: to get them, and that's when I turned to ivermectin.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, in my opinion, they did that on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: They did that to encourage people to take the COVID shot.
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  Speaker 2: It was very orchestrated if you look at the timing
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  Speaker 2: the you know, in March, the government put out the
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  Speaker 2: big information on ivermectin and why you should not take
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  Speaker 2: it for COVID. They put that on the FDA's website
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, they launched COVID nineteen Community Corps,
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  Speaker 2: and this was April first, twenty twenty one. This was
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  Speaker 2: an eleven point five billion dollar slush fund to propaganda,
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  Speaker 2: to you know, feed out propaganda and censor people. And
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  Speaker 2: the day that they launched the COVID nineteen Community Corps
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  Speaker 2: was the same day that Houston Methodist, which is where
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  Speaker 2: I had privileges, they mandated the COVID shots for all
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  Speaker 2: their employees and they were the first in the country.
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  Speaker 2: And that's sort of how I got tangled up in
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  Speaker 2: all this because I had privileges there, and then I
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  Speaker 2: was actually working with them. I was doing research with them,
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  Speaker 2: I was sharing my data with them to try to
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  Speaker 2: get it published. But then I started questioning, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the the vaccine and how it wasn't working. I brought
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  Speaker 2: it to their attention first, and they gas lipped me.
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  Speaker 2: They just said, well, it's just it lowers severity. And
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  Speaker 2: when they when they ignored me, then I started speaking
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  Speaker 2: out on social media and that's how that's what got
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  Speaker 2: me in trouble. But so that summer twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: that's where the third and the largest surge of the
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  Speaker 2: pandemic started. And this was after the rollout of the
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  Speaker 2: wonderful COVID shots that which were promised to stop transmission
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  Speaker 2: and prevent death and obviously didn't, and the government was
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  Speaker 2: getting frustrated, so they doubled down on their ivermectin attack.
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  Speaker 2: And this was into August twenty twenty one. They put
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  Speaker 2: out the infamous horse tweet said seriously, y'all, you're not
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  Speaker 2: a horse, you're not a cow. Stop it. A tweet
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  Speaker 2: went viral. It had dire consequences in my opinion. And
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  Speaker 2: then they approved, They fully approved the COVID shot, and
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  Speaker 2: then Biden mandated for employers with one hundred more employees
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  Speaker 2: and that was right when they took you down. So
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  Speaker 2: it was all very coordinating. Oh and then the final
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  Speaker 2: straw was taking away monoclonal antibodies.
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  Speaker 1: Said so yeah, that was the more fascinating thing about
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  Speaker 1: it to me is I listed a bunch of different
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  Speaker 1: things that I took, including monoclonal antibodies, but they only
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  Speaker 1: concentrated on ivermectin. But the way they did it was
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  Speaker 1: like so transparently changing the color of my face on
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  Speaker 1: CNN and everywhere, this concerted effort to call it horse
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  Speaker 1: d wormer. It was They just tried to make it
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  Speaker 1: look as preposterous as possible without ever explaining that it's
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  Speaker 1: been used more than multiple billions of times prescribed to
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  Speaker 1: human beings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they branded you. When I think of you,
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  Speaker 2: I think of that that picture of you where you're
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  Speaker 2: slightly green. I honestly yeah. But ivermectin. I was nervous
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  Speaker 2: about using it because of all the hype and because
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  Speaker 2: mountoclonel work on it, because mountic clonals worked so well.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, well, this is not going to live.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is not going to work. I was nervous.
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  Speaker 2: But the first thing I did was dug into the
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  Speaker 2: safety and anybody could do that, which is a minimal
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  Speaker 2: amount of effort. You can go to the FDA website
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  Speaker 2: and you can find a toxicity data on ivermectin, and
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  Speaker 2: there's something called the LD f fifty lethal dose fifty,
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  Speaker 2: which is it's a benchmark number that gives you an
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  Speaker 2: idea of how toxic a medication is. And LV fifty
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  Speaker 2: means how many animal fifty what dose would kill fifty
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  Speaker 2: percent of lab animals. So for ivermectin, it kind of
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  Speaker 2: depends on the rat I mean, the type of animal
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  Speaker 2: and the gender. But it's basically ten miligrams per kilogram
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  Speaker 2: up to eighty miligrams per kilogram. So for COVID we're
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  Speaker 2: using point four miligrams per kilogram. So I knew that
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  Speaker 2: we were not worried about, you know, killing people with it.
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  Speaker 2: And then I did a liture search and I looked
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  Speaker 2: for accidental intentional overdoses for ivermectin, and I couldn't find
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  Speaker 2: a single study, whereas you do that for tile ANDOL,
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  Speaker 2: I mean thousands, thousands of reports. So once I knew
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  Speaker 2: it was safe, then I started using it, and then
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  Speaker 2: I found it worked, and then yeah, all in all,
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  Speaker 2: I treated well over six thousand patients and everybody that
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  Speaker 2: got early treatment stayed out of the hospital. I also
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  Speaker 2: had patients come in that were really sick in the
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  Speaker 2: second week, and that that was such a learning experience
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  Speaker 2: for me because normally, if somebody walked into my office
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  Speaker 2: with an oxygen saturation in the low eighties, I would
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  Speaker 2: call an ambulance. But I had patients who would refusing
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  Speaker 2: to go to the hospital, and I had to give
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  Speaker 2: them the option to possibly die in my office, which
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  Speaker 2: is scary, but we saved them. I mean we just
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  Speaker 2: threw the kitchen sink at them. And we didn't have
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  Speaker 2: monoclonal antibodies, so we did. We brought them in every day.
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  Speaker 2: We did IV steroids, we did ivy antibiotics, we gave
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  Speaker 2: them home oxygen, we gave them high dose of ibormectin.
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  Speaker 2: We did everything we could, and it was amazing. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they survived. It was very gratifying.
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  Speaker 1: So you think it was probably a combination of all
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  Speaker 1: the different medications and all the different treatments.
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  Speaker 2: I would vary my approach depending on the severity the comorbidities.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's an art, not a you know,
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  Speaker 2: a protocol is a guideline, right, but every patient is
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  Speaker 2: sort of individual, and so for the patients. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the one patient I'm thinking of, I mean, he had
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  Speaker 2: history of two heart attacks, he had a history of
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  Speaker 2: throat cancer. He came in with an oxygen level it
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  Speaker 2: was below eighty. I can't remember exactly what it was,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean so I just did everything, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I took everything that I could and gave it to him,
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  Speaker 2: and it worked. And I had a few people like that.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, the if you know, a twenty year
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  Speaker 2: old came in I'd probably just give him some ivermectin.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it just depends.
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  Speaker 1: Why did you decide to try ivermectin even though there
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  Speaker 1: was all this negative propaganda.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because I had patients coming to see me who
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  Speaker 2: needed help. I mean, I just wasn't going to shut
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  Speaker 2: my door. I'd already established I could help people with
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  Speaker 2: monocoling antibodies. So I still had people coming to me
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  Speaker 2: seeking help, and I just didn't have the heart to
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  Speaker 2: say no. And I knew it was safe. So I
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  Speaker 2: knew that, you know, it was a little bit iffy,
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  Speaker 2: but I knew it was safe and there was good
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  Speaker 2: data showing it worked. It's just, you know, one thing,
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  Speaker 2: you can find a study to support any argument you
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  Speaker 2: want in medicine. I learned that in residency. All residents
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  Speaker 2: learned in that. We have we have something called journal
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  Speaker 2: Club where you sit down once a week and you
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  Speaker 2: pour through different articles. And the takeaway is most articles
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  Speaker 2: are you know, crap. They're not. They're not they're low power,
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  Speaker 2: or their their conflicts of interest, or you know, they're not,
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  Speaker 2: they're designed poorly. So you know, my mindset coming into
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic was, you know, the research, the journals are
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  Speaker 2: a starting point, but it's not the final say, is
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  Speaker 2: your your own clinical experience and what you're seeing. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, we had never seen COVID before. This is
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  Speaker 2: a brand new entity, so we were learning on the fly.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I've never treated this many patients with
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  Speaker 2: a single disease in my career. I'm sure I never
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  Speaker 2: will again. And so you quickly become an expert. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, doctor, I can't speak for all doctors, but
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  Speaker 2: we like to do well. We like our patients to
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  Speaker 2: get better. It's gratifying, that's how it's sort of how
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  Speaker 2: you get job satisfact actions seeing your patients do well.
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  Speaker 2: So why would I, you know, continue to have you know,
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  Speaker 2: COVID patients come in if I couldn't help them. And
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  Speaker 2: it's astounding to me that the doctors in the hospitals
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  Speaker 2: just didn't pivot, didn't try new things. And I guess
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  Speaker 2: they were handcuffed by you know, the hospital administrators. But
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  Speaker 2: it just seems to me that, you know, there was
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  Speaker 2: a doctor in Houston, Joe Verone, who I'm pretty good
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  Speaker 2: friends with, who is a critical care doctor, and he
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  Speaker 2: was one of the founders of FLCCC, which is sort
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  Speaker 2: of the they developed the original protocols for ivor mecton
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  Speaker 2: and doctor Verone had much better success than most other doctors.
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  Speaker 2: His overall success rate was four point four percent of
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  Speaker 2: his patients died, whereas in other hospitals averaged around twenty percent.
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  Speaker 2: And he did he threw the kitchen sink at at people,
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  Speaker 2: and he basically followed this FLCCC hospital protocol.
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  Speaker 1: So and the monocultal antibodies were suppressed. What was the
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  Speaker 1: messaging like, what did they say to doctors?
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  Speaker 2: They said that the strain of the virus was no
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  Speaker 2: longer covered, so that it had evolved and it wouldn't work.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, they using the exact same
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  Speaker 1: vaccine exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And they had switched the monoclonal antibodies periodically, so it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like they started with one and stuck with it, say,
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  Speaker 2: the whole time. They switched it as things evolved.
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  Speaker 1: But it was really clear, and the propaganda was shocking
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  Speaker 1: because we've all seen propaganda with foreign conflicts, weapons of
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  Speaker 1: mass destruction, all that jazz. We've all seen propaganda. But
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  Speaker 1: when Rolling Stone magazine printed an article saying that people
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  Speaker 1: were the hospitals were overflowing, with people overdosing on ivermectin
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  Speaker 1: and gunshot victims couldn't get in. And then they used
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  Speaker 1: a stock photo which was of a bunch of people
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  Speaker 1: wearing winter coats and like, I think it was I
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  Speaker 1: think the article was August in Oklahoma. Like the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing was. It was so brazen and sloppy and obvious,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the age of Google. If this had all
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  Speaker 1: gone down in the nineteen eighties, we would all be
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  Speaker 1: in the dark. We'd have no idea we would have won, Like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: I guess the ivormaxican's killing people. We wouldn't have known
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  Speaker 1: until like twenty thirty. You know, people would have like,
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  Speaker 1: you have been a conspiracy theorist. You've been a crazy person,
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  Speaker 1: like one of those people that could tell you all
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  Speaker 1: the facts about the Kennedy assassination and with wild eyes
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  Speaker 1: all over Stone, you know. But it was so obvious
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  Speaker 1: and it was so confusing because you know, I had
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  Speaker 1: had people on my podcast before where you know, I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: had a doctor son and I talk about foolish people
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that don't believe in traditional medicine, like people that want
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: to try different things, Like are you people that were
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: anti vaccine or anti anything like these are the best
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: people at the front of the line. Trust them. Yars later,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, don't trust anybody. They're all compromised. It's all money.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And that was the most disheartening thing. The propaganda was disheartening,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: but it was that the whole system is compromised. And
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: then when I found out that pharmaceutical drug companies are
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: they're the ones that are funding studies, and that they
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: could have a whole ton of studies. They don't have
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to divulge all the data from their studies. They only
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: have to show you some studies that were carefully crafted
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to show efficacy. But all the other studies that they
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: had that even showed negative effects, they could bury those
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: they didn't have. They weren't held responsible. I was like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: what is this? Like, what is this? It's but it's
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: like everything in the world when money gets involved.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: You know, that rolling Stone tweet is still up. I
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: found it yesterday.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Wild look at that. Look at these people wearing winter coats.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: So apparently this was a bunch of people that were
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: waiting in life for the flu shot gun shot victims.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: All those people got shot. The luck that's going on
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, they're just shooting folks. They think it's the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: wild West out there. Imagine if those were all gunshott.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: But look how crazy that article is or that tweet
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: is gunshot victims left waiting as horse de Wormer overdoses
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Overwhelmed Oklahoma. By the way, zero horse de Wormer's there. Zero, Well,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: it was a total lie.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Well in a you know, even last Friday, Vanity faired
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: and article on Maha and Callie means, and they quoted
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: me in it and in the you know, in their
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: description of me is horse de Warmer could not still
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Catherine Ebon, the reporter for van she buddied up to
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: me actually, like we were good friends.
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  Speaker 1: It's so dirty. It's such a dirty business. God is
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  Speaker 1: have massive respect for journalists. If I had never done
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: this podcast, I'd be your regular schmo out there with
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you know, just spitting out all the company lines that
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: all the blast all over the news. I kind of
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: liked it better then.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: It's a lot easier. Ignorance is bliss.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't think the world was filled with demons, money
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: hungry demons that are willing to sacrifice human lives in
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the pursuit of revenue. Crazy.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: That's why we have to continue this fight, because people
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: have lost all trust with good reason.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: With good reason, that's why I'm having you on. That's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: why I continue to talk to people the COVID Already,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I get it, folks. If this is not for you,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: move on, Mary, and I will still be about this
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: for the next three years. Well, you know, for me,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: it was just it was such a wake up call
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: because it's so weird to see your face on TV Green.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: First of all, that was weird, and then this term
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: horsty warmer. I'm like, why you guys aren't concentrating the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: fact that a fifty five year old man is fine
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: three days later during the worst strain. It was during
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the delta where everybody's freaking out, this one's gonna kill
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: us all. And I was fine in three days and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I made this video. I'm like, I'm sorry, I have
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to cancel the concert this weekend. You know, got COVID,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but I'm good now. And then that I had, I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: didn't think that was gonna be anything. I thought that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was just gonna be the people that bought tickets to
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: see Dave Chappelle and I in New Orleans, and that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: was gonna bears at Nashville wherever it was. That's all
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it was gonna be. Those folks. They're gonna be upset.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, we'll make it up to you.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: You tickets still count. That's all I thought it was
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: gonna be. I thought it was gonna be like a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: normal tweet that I put out, or a normal Instagram
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: post that I pull out put out. And then all
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, I hear that Neil Young wants to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: be moved from Spotify. I was like, what the fuck
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: is going on? This is crazy. Spotify got calls from
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: two former presidents.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Really, oh yeah, what about platform? Did you get censored.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Or d platform? Two million subscribers in a month. I
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: did because because people started listening, because it's they made
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: it sound like I was this maniac, and they started
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: listening like, oh, he's really reasonable and pretty humble about
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: all this stuff, just asking questions and bringing people on
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like doctor Robert Malone, who has nine patents in the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: invention of m RNA vaccine technology, Like he's one of
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the he took it himself. He was reporting his insane
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: adverse side effect where he almost died. He was telling
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: about it, and they labeled him a kook for that and.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: What made you so awake?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Though, Well that just that, No, Well Malone, Peter McCullough,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But I've always been the type of person that is like,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: if someone is saying something and they have rock solid connect,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: doctor Peter McCullough is the most published physician in his
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: field in human history, Like, this is an incredibly well
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: respected doctor up until he took a moral and ethical
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: stand saying that this is not what they're saying, this
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: is not what we should be doing, and then destroyed.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: They tried to destroy his career. It's insane. But the
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: man has incredible courage and he was labeled all when
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I would tell people he's the most published physician in
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: time that you'd see their eyes glazeo, like they didn't
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: want to hear it. I'm like, maybe he's right. Well
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: five years later, we know he's right. We know he
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: was right. He was right all along, I mean the whole.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: So for me, when there's there's always a bunch of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: people that are ideologically or financially captured, and then there's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: people that feel morally obligated to tell the truth, and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you can spot those people. And when I spotted a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: few of them, like okay, let me hear him out,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I might be the guy that goes, no, this guy's
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a kook and he's going to cost people lives. Or
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I might be someone who go, hey, everybody hit the brakes,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: like you might be getting bamboozled here. And especially the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: real concern with any sort of a new drug is
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: always the side effects. But when you have indemnity, when
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you have complete immunity for any financial liability, like the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: vaccine manufacturers do, and all you have do is label
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it a vaccine, because that's not a traditional vaccine. It's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: just not they change the definition for mRNA vaccine technology.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Before that, it was not that, it was a very
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: different thing we all had in our head. Vaccines are good.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: That's why they don't get sued because we need vaccines,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you know. And then then unfortunately I read Royer F.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior's book The real. Anthony Faucier was like, oh
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: my god.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Did you what was your initial thought about the COVID shot?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: What was your mind to take it? Did you take it? No?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't take it, but that's why they were so
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: mad at me. I was ready to take it. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the UFC had allocated shots for all the Johnson Johnson,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: for all their employees, and I showed up there on
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a Saturday, which was the day of the fights, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I said, can you give it to me? And they said, yeah, sure,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: let's call the doctor will set it up. I thought
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I was going to get a shot. I thought it
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was like a flu shot, Like I'll get that shot
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and I'll go do the broadcast. I was going to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: do the broadcast. I didn't take anything of it. I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: was not worried about it at all. And they said, no,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you have to come to the clinic and do it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Could you do that on Monday? And I said I can't,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: but I'll be back in two weeks. During the time
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that I was trying to get it, and then in
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: two weeks later when the next fights were it got
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: pulled from the market because of blood clots. And then
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: two people I knew had strokes, and I was like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: hold the fuck up. And then I got real nervous
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: because there was a lot of family members that were like,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: really pushing it. You need to get vaccinate. Everyone should
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: have you got vaccinated, get vaccinated. We all need to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: do our part. We all need to get vaccinated. And
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you know, then I became a heretic. Then I was like, Okay,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think I want to do. And I had
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a bunch of friends that had horrible side effects, including
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: one of them who is a young guy who was
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a pacemaker. Now his heart stopped beating for like nine
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: seconds at a time and he would black out. It
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: was wild. Shit was happening. And I was like, I
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: don't understand why this isn't on the news. I don't understand.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh my god, I'm the news.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like I have to be the news. I don't
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: want to be the news. I like talking shit. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: like having a bunch of comedians here. We have laughs,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: we get silly, you know, have a few drinks, watch
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: some funny videos, crack each other, have fun or scientists.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I like to have fascinating people in here. Tell me
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: how the cosmos was formed? I'm not. I don't want
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to be someone who distributes information to the masses. It's
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: been lied to. That's not I don't have any lofty
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: goals like that, like I want to be the I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: want to be the one tells the truth, and that's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: not what I do. I'm just a curious person who
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: talks to people.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Was it hard for you to get ivermectin.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: No, I got it from India like that. I got
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: boxes of it. I was handed it out to.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Everybody, I think, to India to get their medicines in
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the US.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Well, that was after my doctor had got it for me.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: My doctor got it for me. I think I fucked
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it up for everybody. I think me becoming the attack
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: boy when they went after me. I don't think they
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: would have attacked anybody that didn't have a large platform
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: like that, and I don't think they would. I should
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: say it better, I should. I don't think they would attacked
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: ivermectin the way they did. I think they would have
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: just suppressed it and it wouldn't have been a public
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: thing because it wouldn't have got out. I think the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: problem was me saying that. The thing. The crazy thing
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is I said all that other stuff too, I said,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: ivy vitamins, I said u z pak pred in his zone.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I told them all the things my doctor put me on,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and all they concentrated on was this ivermectin thing. I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: was like, this is wild, Like what is going on? Yeah?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, am I wrong about ivermecta.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Then started just reading about the scientists to the team
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that invented it and how they want a Nobel prize.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, what the hell is happening? Like this
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: is nuts, this is so weird.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Well, it was all part of the you know, getting
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the shot in every arm, and that's they had to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: go after ivermectin. I mean, they launched a war on ivermectin.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Pierre Corey wrote a book about it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, I had on early on too.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I actually sued the FDA over that
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: horse tweet and we won. It hasn't really changed anything.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: But so the FDA when they put that information or
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: misinformation out against ivermectin, they were really crossing a line
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: because they're not allowed to tell the public you can't
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: take a medication for this, or you should take a
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: medication for that. They're basically allowed to just approve medications
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and move on. I mean, they can issue a safety
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: alert if there's something that comes up, but they're not
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: allowed to really direct patients. And that's what they did,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and so we did sue them, and we won and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: they had to take down the horse tweet and they
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: had to take down the misinformation on their website. But unfortunately,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: as you know evidenced by what just happened on Vanity Fair,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, the brand of it being only for animals
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: still lives on. And you know, it'd be great what
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: happened at Vanity Fair. So the reporter still used the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: term horse, right right, yeah, wild right, wild?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: You're you're still a little horse? Do you weever pusher
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five? Right right, well, when Chris Cuomo
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: is out there talking about how he's taking it for
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: long covid, right right.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But we would would be great if the FDA could
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: issue some sort of statement, you know, saying that it
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: is safe that it is used in humans. They don't
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: have to say much more than that, but you know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: we could use a little help in rebranding ivermectin. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: there are also a bunch of states that are trying
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to make it over the counter. I'm not sure if
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you've seen that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Seventeen states have had in the last legislative session trying
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: to get ivermectin over the counter. Three have been successful,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: so Tennessee, Idaho, and Arkansas four. There is still in
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: deliberations and ten they failed. But another thing the FDA
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I believe should do is make ivermectin over the counter
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: because people are basically going to the feed store. I mean,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: my own kid, he had some sort of scabies situation
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: in West Texas over the weekend. He had to go
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: to the feed store to get treatment. And I did
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a pull on Twitter. Fifty two percent of the respondents,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: so they go to the feed store to get their ivermectin.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Is there any difference in the ivermectin from the feed store.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard of anybody
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: having issues. But it's just unnecessary. This is America. We
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: should be able to get the medication very easily.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And there is some sort of an efficacy for some
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: sort of skin infections. Is that true?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Scabies is one of them.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you use it topically? Is that how it's worth?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You can I mean for scabies actually you can take
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: it oral, okay. But yeah, so we shouldn't have to
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: go to India. We shouldn't have to go to the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: feed store. We should be able to go to I
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: mean in Mexico from India.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: He still emails me you needed me more, my friend.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That kind of worries me, because you just.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I just bought boxes. I was handed out boxes to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: people because so many people were telling me they couldn't
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: get it right, and so I'm like, let me just
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: get a lot of it while I still can.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's it's probably fine, but.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: It's just people giving it to me at shows.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, they were as gifts. I carry around my purse.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I like ginge for something. Oh, here's my iromactin.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Oh. I know people that take it as a prophylactic
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: all the time. Yea, which is so it's just what
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a weird drug to go after. That was on the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: World Health Organization's list of essential medicines. Yeah, and how
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: many people who had yellow fever and all river blindness,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: all sorts of different parasitic infections.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: It won a Nobel Prize.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And it showed that it stopped viral replication in vitro.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: They knew that. I remember when I brought that up
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to Sanjay Koopda, it was like, but you know it
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: does right And you can see the look on his
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: face where it's like I could He couldn't talk about it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He had to got skirt around it and just do
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: his best to But it was like, this is kind
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: of crazy to make an off label medication so taboo,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and then to stop monoclonal antibodies just stopped them where
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you couldn't get My friend, one of his buddies was
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: in the hospital and because he was in the hospital,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't give him moniclonal antibody.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you cross that threshold, you were not
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: going to get monoclon antibodies.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: What is that about it? Does that make any sense?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Well, they did it by the day. Apparently there was
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: some data showing if you gave it too late in
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the time course, it actually makes things worse.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: People did they give it to if that were too late?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: How do we know this?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Suspicious?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It does seem suspicious because like, why if something if
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you've shown something to be very effective done early on,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you assume it would continue to be somewhat effective.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Right now, if you're trying to stop someone is on
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the brink of death, which this gentleman what up dying
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and they didn't get it to them. If you're just
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: trying to stop and you can't do it because you're
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: in the hospital because you're admitted, yeah you should have
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like crazy data that shows like after fourteen your feet
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: fall fourteen days of infection, your feet fall off, you
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: go blind. If you take it, can't give it to you.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: And my theory is they probably had a massive inflammatory
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: response because we would see that the people would get
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the monocle on antibodies and they would just feel like
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: complete hell that night because it was like a little
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: war going on in the body, and then they would
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: wake up the next day feeling great. I don't know
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: if you had that experience.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, pretty much.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So you know, the second week of illness was the
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: massive inflammatory response. So my thinking is the monocl antibodies
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: may have just exacerbated that, but they could have counteracted
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that with high dose steroids. And that was another thing.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: They gave these like pidly doses of steroids in the.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Hospital and what stories in particular.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Methyl pregnance alone or solumeedrol was what we typically used
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: if we were.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: In what I took the same thing.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, pregno zones and oral there are different types,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: but like I usually do a medrol dose pack rather
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: than pregnozone because it's been shown to help better with
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: respiratory It's not a huge deal. But in the hospitals
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: they could give slumedrol and high doses of that, but
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: they were giving very small doses of steroid, which is
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: a problem.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Hmmm.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Interesting, Well that's that's also one of the things that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: they talked about in the RFK junior book was that
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the studies that were saying that it was ineffective, the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: studies were not using the protocol that these doctors were using,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and it seemed like these studies were designed.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: To fail exactly exactly. And you know, like I said,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you can find a study to support or go against
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: anything you want basically, So I just relied on my
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: clinical experience, and I just had so many people saying it, Wow,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: it really made a big difference, and I saw people
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: staying out of the hospital and it wasn't hurting anybody.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: So but yeah, a lot of those studies were basically
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: designed to fail either you know, the dose wasn't high enough,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: or they gave it too late, or it was heavily
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: funded by somebody that doesn't want it to succeed.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's all very bizarre. Like really, it's really
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: bizarre to live through. And for you as a person
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: who was out of medicine and then said jump back
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: in six months before all this, Like what is it
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: like to have your world view sort of like spun
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: around like that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I mean it's good and bad. Like
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I feel sorry for the people that don't get it
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. But I just never thought
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: it would come to all this. You know, I didn't
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: go back to work to have a huge, huge career.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I was just basically trying to stay busy and you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: active and help people. Yeah, and but I didn't envision
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: this at all. It's been very impactful, I'll say that.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what has it been like like having having to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: do this.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's wild. Yeah, it's not what I envisioned
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: at all, but it's been you know, I feel vindicated finally,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: at least I'm not embarrassed to go to the school
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: functions anymore or show up at the sporting events or
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I used to be scared to go to
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the grocery store because they just they came after me
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: so hard. In Houston. I mean, Houston Methodist Hospital is
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: sort of the country club, you know, the elite of
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the hospitals, and so for the for them to come
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: after me, it was a big deal. It's hard to
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: get privileges there.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: They their tagline is leading Medicine, and they were very
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: proud of being the first hospital in the country to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: mandate the shots. Uh, they didn't need to go after me.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I mean I was nothing. I was, you know, I
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: saw a lot of COVID patients, but the grand scheme
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: of things, so I really wasn't you know, I was
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: not really doing anything.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: It's the Stris effactory. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They attacked you,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and by doing so, they made the whole thing way
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: bigger than it needed to be.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: But they did silence other doctors. I mean I hear
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: from doctors all the time and that won't say anything
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: because of what they did to me.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah. No, there's a lot of doctors that
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I know that were in danger of losing their license
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: because they had prescribed ivermectin.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: And that was another thing. You know, the the Federation
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: of State Medical Boards, which is this private entity they're
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: actually located in Texas, who oversees all the state medical boards.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: They sent out a directive to all the state medical
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: boards concerning ivermecton, concerning misinformation and basically encouraging the medical
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: boards to go after doctors like myself. And I mean,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still tangled up with the medical board
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: trying to clear my name. But they did that.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: That was it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: All had happened in that fall of twenty twenty one,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: right when Biden mandated the shots. They really came down
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: hard on the doctors.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So what did they do specifically to you?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So I got several complaints, but only one of them
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: is really stuck. The others I've cleared my name on,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: but they were all involving ivermecton, no patient harm. The
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: one that has stuck is from a hospital in Dallas
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: called Texas Hugley Hospital, and there was may at a
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: sheriff's deputy, father of six who's basically dying. They were
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: talking hospice and his wife wanted him to have the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: opportunity to try ivermecton, and he had tried to get
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: it before getting in the hospital and couldn't find a
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: doctor willing to prescribe it. So wife knew he was
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: okay with it, and so she sued the hospital and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: then she asked me to come on as sort of
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the expert. They had to have a hospital, they had
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to have a doctor who was willing to prescribe it,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: because they can't force the doctors to prescribe a medication,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: but they could force the hospital to give a doctor
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: privileges who was willing to prescribe it. So that's where
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I came in and we won the case, and the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: hospital had a court order saying that they were going
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: to give me emergency temporary privileges so that they could
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: go into the hospital and give him ivermectin. Well, there
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: was all this stall tactics. They were supposed to give
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: me the privileges the same day, and in other circumstances
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: at that time because of the pandemic, they were giving
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: doctors same day privileges. It wasn't this lengthy application process
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: because there was a shortage of doctors. But for me,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: they made me submit my surgical case log for the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: last three years. They maybe get three letters of recommendation.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: They made me fill out like a thirty page application.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I got it all done in twenty four hours. And
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: then they're like, no, no, we're not We're actually going
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: to deny you privileges. So it turned out into this
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: big battle and it became very confusing because they had
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: to go back to the judge and I finally got
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the green light. Though the lawyer's like, we can go.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: You've got the green light the judge, we got the order.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: There's no stay on the order. I sent a nurse
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: to the hospital because this is in Dallas and I'm
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: in Houston. Shows up with the court order and the
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: police greet her and turn her away. There's not a
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: big scene. She leaves, but she's not allowed to give
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: him my vermactin. It turns out they did get a stay,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: but our lawyers weren't aware of it at the time.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: But this is what they're going after me. They said
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: that I sent a nurse to the hospital without privileges
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: and I caused a scene, and I am you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I harmed other patients by doing this, and it has
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: been I means three and a half years. They can't
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: find an expert witness to testify against me. There have
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: been three continuances. They finally were awarded summary judgment against me.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So I'm already they've decided I'm guilty and now I'm
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: waiting for my punishment. There was a hearing about a
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: month ago to find out you know what they're going
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to find me with and that sort of thing, and
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just waiting on that, but I do plan on appealing.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: It's just gotten crazy.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Wow. So the first thing they attacked you with was
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: what what was the first one.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Ye for the medical board?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, I had.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I had one pharmacist turned me in because we sort
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: of gotten a pissing match on the phone, and the
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: uh that might have been I can't remember. But around
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: that time I had another. I had a father reach
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: out to me. You're a seventeen year old had history
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: of a kidney transplant and they were going to Europe
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and they wanted to have ivermectin just in case he
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: got sick. And I was talking to the dad and
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: the stepmother. I didn't realize I wasn't talking to the mother,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: so the mother found out. I prescribed him ivermectin. And
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: turned me in. But ivermectin is metabolized by the liver,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: not the kidney, so it would be no harm for
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: him to get I was having had a kidney transplant
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: for him to get iram actin and he never took
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the medicine. But it cost me sixteen thousand dollars in
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: legal fees to get that straightened out.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: So this was your first experience, like, oh my god,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: this is a real battle. Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've never been in any trouble.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I've never been sued.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Did it? Would it feel weird publicly? Yet? Like like
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: when you when you were saying you were having a
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: hard time going to the grocery store, You're worried.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: That was when Methodists came after me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: So Methodists they came after you very publicly.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they tweeted about me, they went to that. I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: found out that my privileges were suspended from a text
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: message from a reporter. That's how I found out. I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: looked at it that I was like, what are you
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: talking about? I did? I said, check your sources. I
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about. And then I go
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to my email and they suspended me. And then they
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: tweeted about it, and it went you know, I had CNN,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Washington Post going after me. It was it was it
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: was traumatic. I mean I was just a you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a mom of four with a small practice, and all
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, I've got CNN calling me.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Wow, So what did what was going through your mind?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Why that was happening.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Spent the weekend in the fetal position and a lot
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: of tears, and then I was like, I was pissed,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: and I just on Monday, you know, I hired a
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: lawyer and I hired a guy to help me with
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the press, and I held a press conference on Monday.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I resigned and then I seed them so and then
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I just have been working to try to clear my name.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Wow. Well, it's just it's so hard to imagine for
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: someone who's never experienced what you went through, what that
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: must be like emotionally, to just get thrown to the
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: wolves in front of the world, like publicly by people
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like CNN like where it gets so weird because if
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: that never happens to you, you look at CNN and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you go, oh, they're the news. They're going to tell
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: me the truth. That's what I thought. I just automatically
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: thought that, or they're at least saying what they're allowed
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: to say. Maybe the government holds back some information, but
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna lie. And then I you see my
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: own self on TV, and I'm sure, but I'm used
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: to being there attacked for things.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I think the harder was you know, CNN whatever. But
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: it's more just the locally, like going to the grocery store,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: going to the baseball game where your kids playing, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: like helping, you know, sitting in a corner because you
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: don't want anybody to see you.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Did anybody ever bother you.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: No, honestly no, But you just feel self You just
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: feel very self conscious. It's hard not to. Even now,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I still feel self conscious, but it's a lot better.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, uh yeah, I had a Mother's Day event
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: of school and people actually came up and said nice
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: things to me for once, so that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Was well, that was nice. Well, a lot of people
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: got red pilled, you know, to use the matrix expression,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you know, where they woke up to what's really going
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: on during I mean, it's kind of a masterful job
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of propaganda over the years that the pharmaceutical drug companies
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: have done. I mean, because most people aren't even aware
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: of how many drugs get pulled. They're not aware of
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the high percentage of them. What is it in the thirties.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Well, yes, about thirty three percent. They looked at it
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: over ten years. Thirty three percent had significant safety warnings
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: on the drugs and it took about four years for
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: those to become recognized. I mean they're drugs I used
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: to prescribe. They're no longer on the market. I mean
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: so yeah, like I said, it would have been any
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: other drug would have definitely been pulled by now based
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: on all the adverse events we've seen.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: But it's just very profitable. And that's what people have
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to wake up to. There's a bunch of factors, right.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: There's the primary one, which is a bunch of scientists
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that are really trying to help people, and they're really
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: trying to develop new ways to cure Parkinson's and all
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: sorts of other problems and cancer. And these people are
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: just constant. And then there's the money people, the money
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: people who take that thing and say, how do we
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: give oxyconton to everybody? And then you have the Sackler family. Right,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: you have evil, you have like actual evil. Maybe they
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: don't have horns. Maybe they don't have a forktail, but
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: that's a demonic thing to do. You're you're you're you're
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: infecting people with essentially something that turns them into a
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: zombie and it's killing people. But you're gonna make a
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: lot of.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Money in health too, Especially in health, well, it's.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Because you're trusted, You're coming from a position of authority.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: It's a very different thing, you know, especially in an
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: area where most people are woefully ignorant. I mean, look
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: how many doctors who are practicing doctors who are woefully
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: ignorant about nutrition. It's an enormous amount right now. Imagine
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the average person who has to go to a specialist
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: about something and they're being told, oh, you need yox.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: This is this thing I'm going to give you and
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: it's going to cure your arthritis, like, oh great, and
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: then you fucking stroke out. And the people who made
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: that drug knew it was going to cause problems in people.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: They in the emails that were admitted during the hearings
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: when they lost or during the corporateceedings, they wound up
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: paying a fraction of what they made. They made like
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: twelve billion dollars they had to pay I think they
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: had to pay five, so they made seven, you know,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: with you know, it's costs stuff, stuff costs money. But Jesus,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's so hard. It's so hard to wake up
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: to that. It's so hard to like go, wait, so
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: they're not looking out for us, They're not like trying
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to make us better. I always thought they were the
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: people that were the most wonderful people in the world.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: They're the people that are providing the medication that's keeping
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: everyone alive. This is why our life expectancy is one
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: hundred years old now as opposed to just twenty years ago,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Like oh.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Great, expectancy has gone down.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Actually whoops, whoops.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Fight all the vaccines. Yeah, yeah, and vaccines are even
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: their own special class, right. It's the Gospels of religion.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: It's a gospel. I mean, it was never questioned in
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: my training. Never.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I would have never questioned it. Not only that I
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: would not talk to anybody who did. I'd be like,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: get out of here. I'm not having an ani vaxxer
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: on the show. Fuck off. But after reading Suzanne Humphrey's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: book and I had her on recently, reading that book
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: was like what wait a minute, what and then just
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: this can't be true. And then just look at the
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: raw data of like when the vaccines were introduced, and
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: also when hygiene was introduced and sanitation was introduced, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: then massive drop off of the disease, and then at
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the very end when it's almost gone, vaccines are introduced
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: in almost every case, and yet we all thinking like,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: thank god vaccines exist, because otherwise we'd all have polio, Like,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: oh Christ.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it bothers me that I never questioned it.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Never would have. The polio one blew me away when
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: you find out that that was the same time. But
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: they were using DDT everywhere, and the people that were
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: getting polio first were people in rural farmland communities where
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: they sprayed DDT everywhere. And it wasn't just effect people
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: was affecting horses and it doesn't cross species, so it
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't the same thing. Clearly, something was going on and
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: everybody got locked into this polio scare. And to this
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: day I had a friend use that to me in
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: a text message to me about like, look, we have
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to really appreciate that. You know, he's like trying to
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: make up for some stupid joke, and he was saying
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: that we you know, look at Jonah Saulk cure polio.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have the time. I don't have
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the time to sit down and tell him. There's a
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: great book. It's called Dissolving Illusions. You should read it,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: and then you should read Turtles all the Way Down.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: It's another great book. And then you should listen to
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy Junior's journey from being a very respected
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: and trusted environmental attorney who was applauded by the left
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: to being some nutcase pariah who I thought was a nutcase.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I had to apologize to him when I had him
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: on the show. I have to tell you, when I
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: first heard of you, and like, I thought you were
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: a coop. You're this anti vaccine cook I bought I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: was living in La working in Hollywood. We I bought
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: into it. I'll climb and secret. Everybody around me thought
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: that way, So I thought, we all, yes, this is
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: a sensible intelligent people think yeah.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can really convince people. I think
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: they have to figure it out for themselves.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: No, and they don't want to hear it. That's the thing.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: It's like telling someone that they're spaghetti monster in the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: sky is not real, like you, they don't want to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: hear it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I just can't, right, I've just given up. But I uh,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: there's hope. I mean, you came around and you're not
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: in the field, right, And people, I think you know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: COVID directly impacted every single American and not in a
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: good way.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Right, No, there's nothing good about it. And the only
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: thing good about it was a shift in perspective and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that it's going to be way harder to pull some
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: shit off like this again. Right, people are not going
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: to buy into it, especially all those vaccine injured people
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: who keep getting gas lit. And why do they keep
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: calling it long covid? How come nobody I know wasn't
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: vaccinated got long covid? Right? Right? What is this long
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: COVID you speak of? Is there a long flu? Is there?
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Where's the long pneumonia? What the fuck are you talking about?
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Why are you calling it? Is it possible that this
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: is a vaccine injury?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just asking, well, yeah, I've been looking at antibody
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: levels and these people and it's alarming. So we have
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: an ant that we really don't have a lot of
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: tests for vaccine injured it's it's hard because they'll get
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: the million dollar work up. By the time they come
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: to see me, you know, they've gone through you know,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: multiple tests and multiple doctors.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: It's not really a million dollars, is it?
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: The work Well, I don't know, but I'm exaggerating, but.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I want to clear for vanity vacation forsty Wermer who
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: claimed there was a million dollar markup.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Way, somebody should fact check me on that, and it's
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: higher than a million. But uh second, oh, so they
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: get you know, they go through the work up and
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: then they can't find they can't find a test to
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: prove that they're injured. So the doctors will put them
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: on psychiatric medication, will put them on sleeping pills and
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: benzo diazepines and antidepressants. Literally I saw patient was put
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: on all three. So the only test that I have
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: found that does seem to correlate is this antibody test,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: and it's a spike protein antibody test. Lab Core has it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: That's where send people quest has it. But they put
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: the upper limits too low, so you don't really get
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: a good sense. But yeah, the upper limit of the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: test is twenty five thousand, and people that have not
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: gotten the COVID shots. I'd say it ranges. It's usually
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: under a thousand, and then people that have gotten the shots,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a lot of them are off the chart.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: They're over twenty five thousand, but on average, they're probably
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: ten times higher than the people have not gotten the shot.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: And this is people who were you know, they were
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: vaccinated four years ago. It wasn't like they just got
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: the shot. You know, obviously COVID's not an issue anymore
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: in terms of you know, people getting sick, But four
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: years later, you should not have sky high antibody levels.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And that's what I'm seeing, and that is alarming. It
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: just suggests that there is a lot of spike protein
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: still in the body causing problems.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: And haven't they shown that the spike protein continues to
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: be produced in the body up to seven hundred days later.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: There's yes, I mean that is that's one study. There's
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: some you know, what's interesting that study that antibody levels
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: were really low, which doesn't make sense. So I kind
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: of questioned the whole study. But yeah, I mean I
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: see it. I mean I see patients, I mean I
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: still see vaccine injured patients coming to me for the
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: first time years later. Last week I probably saw six
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: new vaccine injured patients. Yea. And they they're not getting
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: any help the government. It's called the CICP, that's a
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: vas A Countermeasures Injury Compensation program. They're supposed to help
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: these patients. They have denied ninety eight percent of people
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: that have applied for assistance. They on average, I think
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: they've awarded twenty They've awarded thirty people thirty of all
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: the vaccine injured that have applied, thirty people on average,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: the award is like four thousand dollars for these people.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: It's horrible. I mean, these people's lives are just destroyed.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: These are not easy things to treat. It's not like
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I can give them an antibiotic and they're good to
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: go and they're fine. I mean, they're very challenging. It's
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: we don't have a lot of guidance. I do see
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of success with ivermectin, but it's slow going.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: It's usually you know, months of trying to help them.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: And the government really needs to help these people. There's
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of people suffering and they're getting completely ignored.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: The other issues. We don't even have a code. So
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: every disease has a numerical code, and it's called an
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: ICD ten code. It's what they use to compensate people,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: for the insurance companies to use them, but also for tracking.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: So if you have you know, COVID has its own
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: little code and you can just dial in the code
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: and get all the numbers. They don't have a code
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: for a vaccine injury. They have a code for a
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: vaccine hesitancy, but they don't have a code for injury.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: So all these people are just sort of you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: they're getting all these diagnoses, but there's no way to
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: track them.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: It's to be a convenient. Yeah, well, I would imagine
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: you the real problem with paying people is you'd have
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to pay so many.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: You know, but that's what they can just print the money.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the problem is.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you give them? What if you
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: find out you have milecarditis and your life expectancy is
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: greatly reduced, and we know for a fact it came
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: out of this vaccine. What do you give a person
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: You're going to take their life's wages, what wages that
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: they would have potentially earned.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Well, so be it, you know, what I'm saying, billion dollars.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: What do you do?
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: The vaccine companies can pay that money.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I know, but it's insane the number of people that
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I personally know. What it's very shocking to me is
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: when I talk to people that are pro vaccine, still
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: pro vaccine, I'm when I be very specific, mRNA vaccine,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: still pro COVID vaccine, that will tell me they don't
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: know anybody who was injured by it. Yeah. I was like,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: how is that possible?
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: How many people do you know?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I know a lot. I know two people on pacemakers, Yeah,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: two and they're young. Yeah. I know a lot of
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: people that got fucked up, including family members. I know
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that got fucked up and people
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: that don't want to admit they got fucked up. All
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, they have this new cancer that's spreading
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: like rapidly. It's terrifying. You know. It's like I watched
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: the Danny Jones podcast and you guys were trying to
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: get Casey means CALLI means to talk about SV forty right.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Well, my thing with CALLI I actually talked to him
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: last night just why he will not go on record
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: to state the COVID shot should be pulled off the market,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: and that, you know, that's the whole He's the head
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: of my Look.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: That's being political, that's trying to like appease too many people.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: What do you think that is?
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: They can't read their minds? But I think it's I
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: think anybody with a big microphone who is in a
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: position of power and who knows the truth is ethically
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: obligated to speak the truth. That's how I see it.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not a politician. I keep hearing the
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: word strategy, but there are you know, there are people
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I see. I'm just faced with the carnage every day
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: in my office. It's it's just I can't ignore it.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: And I don't understand why this is so difficult other
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: than you know, political. But it shouldn't be political.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be right. That's what's disappointing because we thought
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: that this administration come in it was just going to
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: kick downdoors right, like this is it Epstein lest day one?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Who killed JFK. Let's find out what are all these
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: fucking UFOs? Dummy? I that was my number one, Like
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I pad out of those three, give me that one.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Tell me, the aliens are real, but they this political dance,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: this excuse for that. So I really appreciated Jack Cruse
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: kind of pestering him on that. And then I've talked
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: to Brett Weinstein about that as well, and he gave
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: a breakdown of how it actually happened and when the
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: original kidney cells from these monkeys were being used to
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: make vaccines that they inadvertently gave these people. This semianvirus forty,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: which when it gets into the human body can lead
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: to rapid cancer.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's one of the cancer causing issues with
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: these shots. That's not the only one though, Right, it
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: goes into the cell. It's supposed to not get into
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: the nucleus, but it could get in the nucleus. We
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: know that it can get into the nucleus. And then
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: if it gets in the nucleus.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Well, first they thought it was going to stay local, right, Right,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: it's only a the arm. Right, when I say right
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: where your arm is, your body will react to it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: It will produce the antibodies, and then you're good to go.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: And then all these silly people you can watch them
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: die in the streets and laugh as you step over them. Haha.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I was smart. I trusted the science.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they know that that's not true. It doesn't
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: stay local. They know it doesn't dissipate within It was
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: a small amount of time that is supposed to stay
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: inside your body.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: They know that's not true, right, So yeah, they have
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: they replaced one of the nucleotides with something that's hard
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: to break down, pseudouridine. They've never shown that pseudouridine is
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: cleared from the body. There's no study showing that we
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: can clear it. So it could that could be why
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: these people have these sky high antibody levels four years later,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: because the body might not be able to break it down.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Oh god, oh my god, that's terrifying. What could you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: conceive of would that would help something like that? Like,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: what could you do that would aid the body and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: being in to do something like that? Is there anything theorized? Yeah?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I wish, you know, Robert Malone would
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: be a good person to ask. Maybe maybe she should.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Come back on a victory lap. Anyway, that guy was
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: torn apart. They were trying so hard to make him
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: out to seem to be a kook, and every interview
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: he would do, he would be so reasonable, so logical,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: so fact based, and so knowledgeable, and they still they
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: still he was a cock. He was a cock. I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: remember some fucking guy yelled at me and excuse me,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: yelled at me in Vegas. He said something about me
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: spreading disinformation. Then he said something about that idiot malone.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like that, Oh, that's right, the of m R
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and A or one of them, you know, I mean,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I'm sure this is not like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: none of those things ever happened in a vacuum. I'm
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: sure there's a ton of people working on that, but
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: he was one of them. He's a fucking brilliant guy.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: But so, how did they find out that it can
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: get into the nucleus.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Well, if you look at lip if you look at
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: lipid nanoparticles, and that's sort of the that's what. Otherwise,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: if you just put mRNA into the body without the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: lipid nanoparticle, it would get destroyed. So they put the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: they put it in the shell the lipid nanoparticle, And
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: there are studies showing lipid nanoparticles can cross the nuclear membrane.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: So there's there's that. Kevin McKernan is a scientist he's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: he's on X a lot. He's done a lot of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: work in that showing DNA contamination that's getting into these
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: shots in addition to the SV forty and.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: So there's there's and this was what Joe Latipo, the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Surgeon General Florida, he has actually called for the COVID
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: shots to be pulled off the market. And his his
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: main argument was, there is a certain amount of DNA
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: that is allowed in any kind of these products, and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: we have proof that they have exceeded that threshold. So
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: there have been studies showing that there's excess DNA in
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: these samples which shouldn't be there. And that's just sort
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: of this hard line that shouldn't be crossed.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Where is this DNA coming from in the production.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Process, I guess, but it's it's pretty cut and dry.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's why doctor Ladipoe has chosen this argument
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: to go by, because there's just like a hard line
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: that you don't cross, and they have crossed that.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: And what happens if you get too much DNA.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Well, you can integrate. The concern is does it integrate
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: into your own into your cell DNA?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: We're going to monkey people, but cancer that's right. You
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: imagine if we made like hybrid people, they turn out
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: to look like Neanderthals, you know, like we injected them
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: with something that twisted their genes back. But just the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: idea of manipulating your DNA so terrifying.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, what in pregnant women right right?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Integrating you?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if it's a seventy year old man,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: but a pregnant woman, yeah, you hear.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: That, Kathy's integrate DNA. You don't think good things?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: That's like immediately, I'm like what And these things are
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: technically gene therapy products. They're not vaccines, so which.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Is a real problem with using the same term. Why
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: not use a new term? Well, because then you wouldn't
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: be under the umbrella of protection the vaccines currently enjoy,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: where they can't be, which is so crazy, it's so crazy.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: It's just hard to believe it's true. It really is.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: It is. And so for a person like you that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: just like you were saying, see the carnage every day,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: tell me what it's been like, Like, what is it like?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: It's hard because as an e int I'm used to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: I'm used to fixing people quickly. So you know, I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: get somebody with a science infection, get them antibiotic, They're
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: good to go. I get somebody with an abscess, I
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: drain the abscess or good to go. It's it's sort
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: of why I chose my specialty because I like to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: see the results quickly. I didn't go into primary care
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: reason for a reason like I and so when I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: see the injured, it's like, you know, it's very slow growing,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: slow going. We don't have a lot of research. It's
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: trial and error. These people are young, you were previously
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: young and healthy, and their lives have just been completely destroyed.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I don't have a big support system of other specialists
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I can send them to. It's hard. I mean, I
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: don't feel sorry for myself, but I'm just saying it's
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: just very different from what I'm used to as a doctor.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: So I really hope that the government will step up
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: and do something about this.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a nice thing to hope to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: do something about it. But it would be really nice
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: if some real research was done on what are the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: actual long term effects. If you're if everyone's looking at
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: it from a position of we can't get you know,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: sued for this. This is dangerous, Like someone has to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: look at it and say, well, this these are the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: definite effects of this vaccine because there's it's too much.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: This is long COVID, it's too much. Oh he got
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: a neurological condition that was going to happen anyway, it's
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: just coincidentally happened after he took the COVID shot. Like,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: there's got to be some way to determine what of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: these ailments, like specifically, like when you're talking about that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: abnormal antibody levels, like, well, there are patterns.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely see the same sort of things
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: over and over again.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: So it's not like you know, but as you said,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have a classification, right, it doesn't have.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: A code, So we need an ICD ten code for these.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: That seems kind of crazy. Yeah, well imagine if that
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: was the case with like her pies, Like hey, yeah,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: put a damn code in there so we know what
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: But there, you know, I see very similar constellation of symptoms.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: I see patients with these abnormal tremmors, which you know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: they can't stop shaking even when they're sleeping, they feel
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: internal vibrations, or they'll have severe pain that you can't explain.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: You know, you get an MRI, there's nothing, there's no
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: nerve damage that you can tell. I've seen some very
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: strange rashes and normally, you know, it doesn't matter what
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: kind of rash it is. You throw a few meds
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: at it and will disappear. But actually the only thing
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: that I've found helpful is ivermectin for these strange rashes.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: And you see pots where the blood pressure. That's the hardest,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: I think, And this is this is we're seeing a
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: lot of this with the blood pressure just drops suddenly
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: with no stimulation, or the heart races with no provocation.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: That is very common and very difficult to treat.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: That's a good friend of mine. Yeah, he says every
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: now and then his heart will just jack up to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: like one eighty yep, and he has to sit down
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: and he just has to hope that this isn't the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: last time you breathe. Yeah, he just sits there. He
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: has a heart monitor, he puts it one of them
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: riskwatch ones, the garment one. He just watches his heart
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: jack up to like on one hundred and eighty beats
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: for a minute, just sitting there for no reason, not
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: knowing if you're going to die. Another friend of mine
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: was really young, was a soccer player, super healthy guy, superfit,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: gets the vaccine, all of a sudden, giant heart racing
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, like out of control,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: like you know, like you're running a seven minute mile,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: just jacked and he wound up in the hospital twice.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Nothing they could do. It all went away, it stopped,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: went back to normal after a while. But now he's
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: got this like terrible fear that he's got a fucking
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: time bomb in his chest. Yeah, out of nowhere would
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: his heart would just ramp up. And you could say, like, oh,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: that was it's probably a genetic thing. He probably had
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: it already. It's like maybe, but this guy was super fit. Yeah,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: superfit soccer player.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: And that's the athletes setted up an athletes. So it
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: used to be twenty nine per year, it was two
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety per year, growth ten times crazy.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Dropping dead the rarest of rare people to drop dead
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, the best athletes in the world.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: The people are the healthiest in the prime of their life, right, And.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: I worry about these kids because you know, hard itis,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: the primary symptom is chest pain. But if you've got
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: a kid who's not even speaking yet, you have no
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: idea if they have my myocarditis, and myocarditis can leave
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: a permanent scar on the heart and then lead to
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: a lifelong increased risk of sudden cardiac death. And kid,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: we have no idea if these kids have been affected.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and how many kids do we see dropped out
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: of heart attacks in like high school football this year,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: like over the last stuff four years. Rather, it was
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: like you'd see these articles pop up all the time.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: You never saw those articles, or if you did, it
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: was super rare. And it's some kid with a heart
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: condition that was never diagnosed, which does happen.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the schools are now making kids get cleared
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: by a doctor before doing sports, which I don't remember
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: that when we were kids.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, they just threw us right on under the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: wrestling team. They didn't check shit, didn't even see if
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: you had a cold. Yeah. I mean, I don't know
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: what's better. It's probably better screen them. You know, they'll
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: find those undiagnosed conditions that kids can have.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I just think that I think it's in response
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: to what's happening.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, it certainly is but I mean that might be
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the good aspect of it. Maybe some people will get
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: diagnosed that didn't have any idea that they were running
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: around with the problem, and they can fix it.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: In my card it's hard to diagnose, Like really, the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: only way you can diagnose my carda is for sure
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: is to do either a biopsy or a cardiac MRI,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: which is most kids are not going to be put
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: through that. Right, Yes, it's scary.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: And it's what's crazy is this is all true, and
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: yet us talking about it makes us both look like kooks,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Like we then will be labeled. For sure, someone will
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: go out and attack us now and lay us anti vax,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: anti science kooks. And this is what's dangerous about this conversation.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: This is what's dangerous about what they said. And you
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: know those people work for the devil.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Well, do you think you'll get censored on YouTube this interview. No,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: you don't, because I was just on Jimmy Doore. Yeah,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: you need to bleep out like a sentence of mind.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not bleading some shit. I'm not bleaping out shit.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: We'll find out I think it's wrong. If it's not okay,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: if it's not okay, I think YouTube is more reasonable
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: now than they were during the pandemic, and I think
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: they have a very difficult job managing content at scale
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: where you're dealing with you know, the amount of people
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: uploading things is insanity, and they have certain things that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: they've tagged as being controversial because they were anti science
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: or misinformation that it's still there's like lingering once. What
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: was the issue that we had, Jamie. We had like
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: an old episode where there was something in the old
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: episode that would have violated their rules back then. It
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't violate them now, but we because the episode was
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: uploaded back then, what happened with that just had like
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: a weird At the time, the penalty was like a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: you had to do something, and so like they couldn't
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: take that step away. That was kind of an issue.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: But the bottom line was everything this person said was
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: true and proven to be true now and now it's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent fact. So now you can say whatever
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: you want. Like now if you say, hey, you know
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: super likely that that virus leak from a lab in China,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: and now you can say that, Like back then, you
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: would get attacked. It would be crazy. He'd be called
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: a racist, he'd be called the worst things possible. If
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: you just said, like the wonderful John Stuart bit that
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: he did on Colbert's show. Did you ever see that bit?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Let's watch it because it's really hilarious. This is like
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: in the heart of the pandemic, you know, and Stephen
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Colbert was like vaccine or death, you know, he was
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: all in on it. And so Colbert was like trying
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: to like halt him in the middle. He's doing a bit.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: John Stuart's doing a bit. He's doing a funny bit,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: and Colbert tries to like cock block it. He tries
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: to like trip him, but John Stewart powers through, like
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: like the comic that he is. You find it, don't
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: tell me it was taken down, all right? Give us
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: this one, all right? This is it.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: I and I honestly mean this. I think we owe
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: a great debt of gratitude to science. Science has in
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: many ways helped ease the suffering of this pandemic UH,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: which was more than likely caused by science.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: So and that's kind of what I was that.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no no,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: no listen, listen, it's coffee.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I would do that. I would do that to you?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: What do you take? What do you what? What?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: What do you mean by do you mean like perps?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: There's there's a chance that this is creating a lab.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: There's an investigation, a chance, well.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Evidence. I'd love to hear.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: What do we do?
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Oh? You know who?
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: We could ask the Wuhnan novel respiratory coronavirus lab.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: The disease is the same name as the lab.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: That's just that's just a little too weird, don't you think?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: And then they asked those scientists, They're like, how did this?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: So wait a minute, you work at the Wuhn respiratory
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: coronavirus lab.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: How did this happen?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: And they're like a pangolin kissed the turtle and they're like, no,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: the name of your lab, right if you look at
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: the name, Look at the name.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Can I let me see your business card? Show me
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: your business card?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, I work at the coronavirus lab in Wuhn. Oh,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: because there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhn. How did that happen?
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe a bat flew into the kloaka of the Turkey
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: and then it sneezed.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Into my chili and now we.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: All have coronavirus. Like, well, okay, what about this second?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Wait a second, All right.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: John, Oh my god, Oh my god, there's been an
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: outbreak of chocolate e goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: What do you think happened? Like, Oh, I don't know.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: or it's the chocolate factory.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. That could be, that could be. Coberg
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: kept trying to get in the way that that could be.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Lem I gave them all tuberculosis.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: That could that could very well be.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: And Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins and Aniger said like,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: you should definitely be investigated.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Stop with the logic and people and things the name
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: of the disease.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: Wait a second, wait the second building, Wait a second.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: But I and it could be possible.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: You could be right.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: It could be possible that they have the lab in
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: Wuhan to study the novel coronavirus diseases because in Woohan
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: there are a lot of novel coronavirus diseases because of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: the bat population there.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: I understand it's like this, it's a local specialty, and
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: it's the only place to find bats. You won't find
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: bats saying, oh right, Austin, Texas has thousands of them
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: that fly I vcade every night, every night at dusk.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Is there a a coronavirus in Austin coronavirus? No, it
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be an Austin coronavirus. The only coronavirus
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: we have is in Wuhan, where they have a lab
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: called what's the lab called again.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Stephen the Warhan novel coronavirus lab.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: I believe the hot taste?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: And how long have you worked for Senator Ron Johnson?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Let me tell you some
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: about Johnson. This is not a concuriency. Couldn't be right here,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: You could be right.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: But this is the problem with such science is incredible.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: They don't know when to stop. And nobody in the
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: room with those cats.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: He's going to do the other thing that we already saw.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: The other thing we talked about the Spanish flu, which
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of people never heard that before either they did.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: What isn't that great? That's one of the best segments
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: ever on late night television ever in the history.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Emperor wears No clothes and Colbert thinks the Emperor still
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: has a fancy robe on.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the job of comedians in society at
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: certain times. And John Stewart he held the torch.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize he was enlightened.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a very smart guy. He's just he's not
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: a bullshitter, you know, he's a very smart guy. And
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with him on everything.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: But has he come around on the shot.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I haven't spoken to him.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: He lives in another state. But I love the guy.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: He's great and like when I was younger, he's a
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: great comic, funny guy, and a very nice guy and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: very fair and honest. He's he's a you know, like
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: the type of person who could do that on television
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the shit, which is what it was.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: This was like right around the same time where the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: government was where they made that remember that release that
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: they had They said, for the vaccinated, you've done your job,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: but for the unvaccinated, you're looking forward to a winter
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: of illness and death, severe illness and death. Severe, it's crazy,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: severe illness and death. And this was during Omnicron, which
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: statistically was a cold that was the one that was
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: like the had the least mortality. Yeah, so for him
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: to do that during that time was very courageous, Like
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: he had to know, but he just had to make
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: it really funny, which he did. Yeah, he just he knew.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: It's so preposterous because it's so on the nose. You
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: almost think like if that was in a movie like
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: that would be too like it was a Coen Brothers
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: movie or something like, oh god, this movie is ridiculous,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Like there's no way it would be named the same
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: as the Lab.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Did he get smeared for it?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think he did. No. John skirted out of that.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: He had a show with Apple for a while and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: it was really good. But then I think, I don't
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: want to speak out of turn here, but I do
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: all the time, so I might as well. I think
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: there was an issue with an episode they did on China.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Is that the case? See if there's like data on
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: that or if there's a story on that. But they
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: stopped doing that show. So he had like a Apple show,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: you know, because Apple TV produces a lot of shows.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Now they have Severance. You ever watched Severance?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: No, I'm watching Righteous Gemstones.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Now, oh my god, that's a good show. That's Oh
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: my god, that's that is such a funny show. I
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: didn't even hear about it until like this year. There's
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: almost too many great shows now it's hard to keep up.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: That show is fantastic. That shows so fun.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's modeled after Joel Ostein is really that's
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: my theory. And I passed by his church every day.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's something about those guys, those guys that
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: run the megachurches, like you gotta be crazy. Like not
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: one of them is like, Oh, that makes that guy
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: makes sense. I seems like super super reasonable, normal human
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: being that it's like, I like that guy. I want
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: him as my pastor. No, it's always like some complete kook.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: In October, The New York Times reported that Apple canceled
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: the comedy show ahead of its third season due to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: creative differences and execs concerns over Stuart's coverage of topics
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: such as China and Ai. Okay, the China, I get it.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Apple has contracts with China, right, they have cell phones
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: made in China, and there they actually have to a
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: story about that. The other day. We're read just read
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: a story about the other day about how the iPhone
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: seventeen is so complex that it actually has to be
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: manufacturing in China because they have the best manufacturing. So
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: they must have some sort of a thing where you're like,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: you can't criticize. You're gonna fuck it all up for us,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: you know, to fuck it all up for the production
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: of our phones that we need that we make all
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: this money, which is why we have more money than
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: most countries.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't see how John Stuart would be a
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: threat to their revenue.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I just don't think they want them criticizing, you know, China.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: But the AI one is even more weird. The AI
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: one is even more weird because it's like, uh, don't
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: you think we should make fun of AI. Don't you
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: think there should be like something that scares the shit
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: out of people enough to they wake up and recognize
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: that this thing is coming at us like a freight train.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: There's no guard rails, no one knows what's gonna happen,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: and everybody's like, full steam ahead. Dude.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: AI terrifies me.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: It should it does. It's because you're intelligent, you know.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I think most intelligent people are aware that this will
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: be a change that is akin to the asteroid that
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: hit the Yukatan. This is gonna this is gonna hit
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: in some crazy way that like redefines what it means
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: to be human being. It's around the corner.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you know Texas they love AI. They're like,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: put a huge amount of money into aix O fun. Yeah,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: I know you love Texas, but it's not what you think.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: I need to wake you up on Texas.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I like the fact that it was free during
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: the time where California was not. You could do whatever
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: relatively right. But in my business and for what I do,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: like the stand up comedy and letting people tell you
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: what you can and can't do. I don't like that, right,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: you know, And here they've had a more rebellious spirit
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: in that regard.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: I said, I think healthcare, though, is turning Texas blue. Yeah,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: we had like Houston is home to the largest medical
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: center in the world, and it brings in people from
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: all over. And I think mandates started in Texas for
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: a reason. I think they did it here to test
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: the waters. They knew if they could get it get
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: away with it in Texas, they could get away with
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: it anywhere.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Don't make me move to Florida.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: No, I don't even think.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I think Idaho at Florida's not getny good either.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Jamie can't live. Look at him over there. He can't survive.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: He got out of Ohio and he developed thin blood.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Uh. But yeah, Texas, I just I think it's a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: we have so Texas Medical Association, largest medical association in
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: the country. They are really proponents of transgender surgery and minors.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: They are anti free speech for physicians. They are they
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: are pro mandate. They've gone after me, and they have
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: a tight control over the people in our house and state.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: So I just think we need to be careful. I
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: mean that you saw it during the pandemic and the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: medical The economy of our state is dominated by health,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: and people don't realize that. They just think oil. But
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: health is a huge dominating factor in our economy. And
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: you know, you saw what they did to me, what
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: they're still doing to me. You see the mandates. And
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been following what's going on
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: in the house, but the house is our house is divided.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: So we've got the the freedom, the real true freedom
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: loving representatives. And then we have these pseudo Republicans who
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: who do control everything, but they are basically democrats and disguise,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: and I don't know. It really worries me. Idaho just
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: passed a bill, the best medical freedom bill in the country.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: It eliminates all medical mandates except for hospitals, of course,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: because but it's the first one of its kind where
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: medical mandates are finally outlawed, because I mean, you think
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: about it. You know, all these vaccines that we have
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: to give our kids to go to school is actually
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: fundamentally wrong. We should not mandate any child to get
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: a shot to go to school. And in Europe half
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: the countries don't have those kind of mandates, but the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: United States is very common. You know, all kids have
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: to get these shots to go to school, and if
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: you opt out, it's a big deal. And some states
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: don't even allow it. You don't even allow exemptions. So
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's a wake up call. Like I just,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: I never thought about the whole the fact that I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: had to give my kids these shots to go to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: school as being an issue, But now that COVID happened,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: I see it as a huge issue. But Florida, you know,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Florida's been kind of behind it too, Like, you know,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: they're not one of the states trying to get ibromacton
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: over the counter. There were nine states that tried to
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: pass bills banning mRNA. They all failed, but Florida wasn't
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: one of those. So Florida worries me too.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Idaho, I do ho.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: They have good skiing there ski.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I quit skiing a few years back my last accident.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm done.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: I love skiing.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Oh it's fun. Don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: get hurt. Didn't get hurt, don't get hurt. That's how
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: I feel every time I ski. But I've had a
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: bunch of surgeries. That's a problem. Like I know the
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: vulnerability of knees. I've had three knee surgeries. It's like
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: it's rough on you, you know, But it's fun. It's
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: just for me, Like the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of other stuff that's a lot more
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: fun that doesn't come with risk of broken bones and concussions.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I like roller of coasters for
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: fun than that. I can't You're one of those not No,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not full on. But I don't have the new
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: roller coasters. Have you been on them recently?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have kids.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're much better. I mean there's what the ones
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: we grew up with.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: No, some of the ones, like Disneyland has some insane ones.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: The one the Incredibles ride, If you've done that one?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: Who I like Guardians of the Galaxy.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Oh that's great. That was fun. It was really fun. Yeah, Disney.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: You know what's the best ride. It's in Disney World.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: It's an Avatar three virtual reality ride. It's incredible.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Is incredible Florida to California, Florida. Oh, I think I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: did that.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's called Flights of Fantasy or something like that.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. Like you you are one of the Avatar
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: people and you fly around on a dragon and it's
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: so good. It's so good. It just like you feel
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: the breeze, you feel missed in the air. At a
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: certain point, I'm realizing why I'm doing this. I'm like,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: this wasn't even remotely possible just twenty years ago. Like,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: what is it gonna look like twenty years from now?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna have any idea they're gonna put
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: a helmet on me. It's gonna like sync up with
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: my brain ready, brain sync and all of sudden you're
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be in that world. You're like, whoa, and you
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: were gonna trust those people to let us out, you
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: know that that's one coming.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy with the roller coaster. I'll stick with that.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: It's not worth it. It's not as good. You take
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: the brain thing get in the Avatar world.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: The ones where the three I get kind of.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Moves to this one. You're on like a motorcycle, a
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: fake motorcycle, and that's to represent the dragon, you know,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: and you have like a handle you hold on too,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: and it starts moving around shit, so like as you're flying,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a full sensory experience. I think
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: I did that and my kids made fun of me
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: because I was screaming on it a couple of years ago. Yeah,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: I haven't done it.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: So it's so good. So's a good ride. And that's
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg. And when you connect
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: that to AI, so A tailors something the specific for
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: your whatever crazy fantasy you want to do. We already
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: have video games that people can murder people like that's like.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: The most popular video game is Grand Theft Auto and
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: one of the things that people love about is you
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: could beat some mechanics to death for no reason.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Do you think that allows people to get out their
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: frustrations though in a healthier way.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Perhaps I would recommend martial arts. I think that would
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: be a healthier way. But I think more than anything,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: what it does is allows you to disassociate and just
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: to be able to because it doesn't mean anything. It's
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: not really a person that's getting beat to death, but
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: the imagery is obviously of a person that's getting beat
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: to death, and you're able to do it with no consequences,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: no recourse, no bad karma. You don't even feel bad
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: because it's a part of the game. You know, there
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: was what was that one where you could drag the
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Wild West? One could beat people with whips. Red Dawn
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Redemption is a Red Dead Redemption crazy games where you
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: could do horrible things to people. Like, what is it
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: going to be like when you have video games that
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: are actually virtual reality, completely immersive and you could just
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: be a serial kid. You can be Jack the Ripper.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: They give you a knife and now you're in London
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: and the eighteen hundreds and you're Jack the Ripper.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Why do people create these because they can?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Right, It's like what John Stewart said about the nuclear bomb,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: like why do they do that well? And this is
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: the same thing. This is the parallel to the Manhattan
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Project because we're not the only ones that are trying
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: to find the to get to the solution of what
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: is like the ultimate expression of AI in its current form,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: like super intelligent sentient artificial intelligence, like something that's going
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: to be godlike power and ability. China's working on it too.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: We have to work on it. If we don't work
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: like so everybody's like hang on, We're like nope, to
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: just China's working on it. We have to do we
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: have to get there first. So this is is just
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: like the Manhattan Project. And I don't think it's gonna matter.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I think I think once we get there, it's going
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: to be so weird for everybody. It's I think civilization
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: is going to be an upheaval. And I think we
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: were entirely attached to the idea that this civilization that
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: we live under where our money is all in hard
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: drives and you know, it's all ones and zeros, on
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: a database somewhere, not even backed up by gold anymore.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: It's all super weird already, like this is standard forever.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think it is.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: I I don't know. I feel like there may be
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: a backlash, because you know, there's this wanting to do
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: real things and do you know, real experiences. I mean,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: I see, there'll be a few hikers.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: It'd be a few hikers, few people.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: When you're on your computer all day, the first thing
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: I want to do is just get outside and get
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: away from all all that and so, but your hope
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: is that there's gonna be a backlash.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Well, there'll be a few, right. There's just like there's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: people that are still pro vaccine today, right, there's still
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: pro mRNA vaccine that can't I can't wait for the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: new booster. There's people that are out there like that. Right,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: You're always gonna have different kinds of people. You're never
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: gonna have one thing where everybody adopts it. There's gonna
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: be a bunch of people that want to live a
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: subsistence lifestyle in the woods forever. Let all those morons
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: in New York put their helmets on and live in
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: fucking avatar land. I'm going to live out here in
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: the real world. But if you think about how many
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: people play games today versus how many people played games
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: thirty years ago, it's off the charts, right, Like what
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: are the numbers? Like when I was a child, is
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: when they had Pong. That was the first one. Yeah,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: do you remember that.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in the Seer store. Do you remember that.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: You go shopping and play the game. That's where you
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: buy your tools, yeah, tough skins.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that was revolutionary. You could play a game
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: on television and it was a really simple game, you know,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: and you be playing ping pong with this like slow
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: moving ping pong ball and it was fine. We all
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: loved it. Family would gather around play ping pong, and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: then you fast forward to Call of Duty Like that's insane,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Like that is insane. These kids are they have microphones on,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: they're talking, They're running through Fallujah gunning people down, Like
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: this is crazy.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: So the numbers went through that phase, but they seem
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: now to be sort of disinterested, like they kind of you.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: Did a good job, it just happened. I think a
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: lot of kids are disinterested because they realized that the
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: back and call of life and becoming a success is
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: you cannot get too wrapped up in these things because
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: they will steal your time. And but my point is
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: that the amount of people that are allowing it to
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: steal their time today, and I know you're enjoying it,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: steal your times in bad have fun player games. I
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: love them. They're fun, but I can't do them. There's
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: too much. See, they're too exciting, they're too good. But
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: these are just the beginning. What we're experiencing now with
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Call of Duty and first person shooters that everybody loves
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: in comparison to what's going to happen when they put
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: that thing on your head and then all of a
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: sudden you really are on Battleship Troopers? Is that? What
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: was that movie where they fought the Aliens? Starship Troopers?
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see that one?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Great movie, but it's the future, or you know they're
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: fighting off aliens, giant alien bugs. You could be in that.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: You could be in it, feel the sand on your feet,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: feel the wind in your face, Smell the breath of
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: the beast as you shoot it down. It's going to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: be too compelling. Yeah, Either that or go work at
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the supermarket near the supermarket all day. You want to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: play pick up basketball? Who could you suck at basketball?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Keep hitting bricks?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Roll no, no, no, no, I don't know.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: I just think it's just it's a test of civilization,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: and it's it's probably something that is changing our species
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: and changing it really quickly before we even realize it.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Just like we turn changed wolves into dogs, it's turning
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: us into technology dependent gelatinous water balloons of blood.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: That's dark they're trying. I think they'll take over doctors.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna take over lawyers, doctors. They're
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: probably gonna take over a lot of actors. I think
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: actors and even screenwriters are in real trouble.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, how do you take over an actor?
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Because these AI videos now are in insane they're so good. Wow.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the one where they're stand up
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: comedians talking on stage about how uh? And there's people
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: out there that believe that we're a prompt? Like and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: then they're going to people in scenes of movies that
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: are like you, like saying do you really believe this
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: is a prompt? And there's vikings like incredible Viking village,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: like walking down the village. It's all ai and it
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: looks like Hollywood movie quality. It looks like some crazy
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: new blockbuster that's out about Vikings. They have cro magnum
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Man walking, you know, like like hunting on a raft
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: moving through the frozen frozen lake. It's the whole thing
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: is nuts. It's so good, it's so and it keeps
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: getting better. Yeah, like this is insanely good compared to
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: what just existed a couple of months ago, like a
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: year ago. Like there's it's unrecognizable. We could, like computers
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: move so slow in comparison, Like think about when when
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: did when did you first get your first computer?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: Probably medical school year, so that was like nineteen ninety eight.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you probably run in Windows ninety eight.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: It kind of worked, but it was a little buggy.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it would crash, you get the blue screen to death.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Then within like five years they got way better. Ten
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: years they got way better. But now if you look
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: at if you have a laptop now in twenty twenty
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: five versus a laptop from twenty twenty, no difference.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: I have an old MacBook that I use sometimes because
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: I like it because it's clicking ear keyboards and it's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: fucking old as shit. It's really old, Like it seems
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: like a regular laptop. It's not that much different. The
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: AI from then was nothing. It didn't exist, And now
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: it's making movies that are off the charts, unbelievably realistic.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: And this is just one version of it. They're gonna
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: have a way better version of it a month from now,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: a way better version of it six months from now.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: And where does that end? Like, it doesn't, it doesn't end,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: And who knows what the news is now? You know
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: how many times someone sent me something on Twitter and
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: I thought, wow, that's crazy war footage and it turns
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: out it was just from a video game.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah that people get duped. They see a plane getting
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: shot down, they think it's real, Like, wow, No, it's
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: just a scene in a video game. Yeah.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen these videos.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: You haven't seen.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: I've seen photos that look very realistic, but I haven't
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: seen these videos. Have to go check that out.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: They're too good, they're too good. And this race to
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: AI is you know, we're all involved in it, and
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I worry that it's not in our best interest, just
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: like I worry that our health system is compromised. I
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: worry about it all. I worry there's a lot of
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: people that are going to be insanely wealthy once this
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: goes live. Like once this goes live, the haves versus
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: the have nots will be so far separated.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: But how do you make money off of AI?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: You control everything, first of all, the stock market. You'll
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: figure out the stock market immediately and bet insane amounts
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: of wealth at things and compound it and figure out
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: when to buy and when to sell instantaneously. You could
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: even use AI to manipulate markets by having a bunch
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: of box tweet about something jack up a stock price,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: and then you would go in and clean up. You
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: would create crypto coins, unlimited amounts of crypto coins, dump
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: tons of money in it. Hire celebrities they wouldn't even know,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: hire them to promote the crypto coin, pull the wool
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: out from everybody, make billions of dollars, and you just
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: do that over and over and over and over again
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: instantaneously all around the world. Then you have all the
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: money like AI. If you're in control of AI, and
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: AI is artificial super intelligence, and you tell it, make
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: me as much money as you can as quickly as possible.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: In the stock market. This is what we have one
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollars to invest. We have a billion dollars
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: to invest. If you're already wealthy, if you're a huge
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: company already, you could do something like that, and who
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: knows what kind of effect that would have. You could
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: manipulate world governments instantaneously. You could cut off pipelines, you
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: could sabotage power grids, you could shut down energy plants,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: you could do all kinds of things. You can insert
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: viruses into systems that control every aspect of society instantaneously.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: You crack all especially once they figure out how to
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: attach AI to quantum computing. Then we're doomed. Then we're
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: really doomed because they have any computational problems. You have
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: insane amounts of computational power, and it's all in our lifetime.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Like that's what's nuts. It's like, this will be if
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: people survive, and you know, there's like a golden age
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: thousands of years from now where they find the relics
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: of this civilization and they go look through and they
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: figure out how to open up hard drives and they
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: see us having this conversation about it. Yeah, it's gonna
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: be weird, can be like, oh, they saw it coming
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: and they did it. Anyway, how do we stop it?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think Elon Musk was sounding
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: the alarm and if he can't stop it.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Not only did he not stop it, he joined in.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's the ideas that you have to do
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: it because other people are doing it. If they get
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: a hold of it first, it'd be catastrophic. And I'm
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: sure I screwed up a lot of possibilities in that
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: little stupid rant of mine, But it's something I think
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: people need to have in their head because this isn't
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: something that's not going to affect you, like, Oh, that's
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: not gonna affect me. I don't really have to pay
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: potentially to the politics in Poland. It's not gonna affect me.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: You know, you can do that with this one. You
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: can't do it with because it's going to affect all
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: of us in the world. You're not going to know
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: what the news is. You think Rolling Stone fooled us
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: with that stupid picture from Oklahoma with a bunch of
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: people that are gunshot victims waiting.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: In line like they maybe she 's ai for their picture.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, right, But that's a good point because that
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: was only a couple of years ago. Today they probably
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: would right. But this is you know, that's a clear lie,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: and it's a bad one. What about the really good ones,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: the really well coordinated ones that are using artificial created images?
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Like how are we going to know? How are we
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: going to know? Like when I google something, I'm not
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: going to go do clinical research. I'm not I'm not
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: going to test these things to make sure it's correct myself.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: If you're in control of all the information on the internet,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: like you can instantaneously create a bunch of websites with
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: fake data on it. You could do that easily, especially
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: if people don't have access to the ability to actually
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: make their own tests. You could change everything. If you're
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: you have AI, you're hacking into this and all all
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: the encryptions, bye bye, everything's bye bye, all these little
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: roadblocks that we kept up there to keep our feeble
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: primate brains from cracking these codes. Like all that stuff
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: goes away, it's gonna get real weird.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't have an answer. I don't have
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: to go get a bunker after this podcast.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: I know it's I don't I don't think it's going
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: to be that bad, But I do think it's going
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: to be really it's going to change just society as
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: we know it. I mean, there's probably going to be
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of good aspects of it too. I think
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: the medical aspect of it's pretty amazing. Chat GPT alone,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: when you can put in your blood work and can
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: give you some.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I put it. I put in an MRI that
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: I had on my own and it missed it toally
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: missed it. Yeah, I mean it was Grock, It was
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: not Chat GPT.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't know which one's the best at that.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know like Chat GPT, So there's there's some other.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Really good ones too, Right, all.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: I use is grock.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: Your Yeah, I don't trust Chat. I don't trust Grock,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: but I certainly don't trust Chat GBT.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Well. I was listening to someone talk about a new
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: program that is you know they have Pegasus, so Pegasus
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: can read your phone. This new program is a zero
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: click It reads everything in your phone, including your encrypted messages.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: You have no idea if you have it on there
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: or not. There's no way to detect it. And it's
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: it's been being used. It's used currently.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: What's the name of it?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Jamie, see if you could find out
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: the name of it. The old one was Pegas's. The
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: new one is a similar preposterous name, Palanteer. I don't know.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: That's a different thing. I think Ian Carroll was talking
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: about it. But so then, okay, so you don't have
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: any privacy anymore. So and then your text messages don't
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: have any privacy.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: I just assume I don't have any privacy anymore.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't for Elon Musk buying Twitter. Can you
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: imagine how weird the world would be right now? Yeah?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: Weird. I mean, it's so fortunate. I was kicked off
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: for five months.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: What did you do that got you kicked off?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: I really I was kind of timid back then compared
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: to what I say now. I really wasn't that, but
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: I did. I had a tweet that went viral and
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: it was America First Legal was suing the CDC over
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: some email. I can't remember exactly, but it was something
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: like American First Legal has just exposed the CDC in
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: a way viral And then that was my last tweet.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: I was erased for five months.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: What excuse they give you.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: I don't remember, you know, violating community standards?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: Wow, what did that feel like?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: And then I got and then I tried to get
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: on truth and get her. It's just not the same, right,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: I just don't get that feedback.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know what I think about those things too,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: and gab as well. I think they're all infested with
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: like out of state actors, other countries, other countries, intelligence agencies,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: and even our own countries, and then even corporations. I
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: think they're infected. I think even like democratic and Republican operatives.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the traffic.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Spots, Yeah, well I see that on Twitter definitely.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: It's almost not worth engaging anymore. It's like what are
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: we doing here? Like you're you're arguing with someone who's
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: not even a real person. And I think that's like,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: that's a big part of it. And I think in
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: those other alternative platforms like truth, don't, I think they
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: they do that to make them ridiculous for everybody else,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: you know, So the last thing they want is a
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: bunch of people to competing to see who's the freest, right, right,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: So what's the best way to do that? Well, you
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: have to sabotage this new social media platform the moment
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: it comes out, the moment it comes out swastikas you know,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Peppy the Frog, the worst possible things. Post as much
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: as you can so that this place becomes toxic, right,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: you know, so that you have to have like a
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: zero tolerance policy like Blue Sky. Does you go to
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Blue Sky if you tweet there are only two genders? Bamned,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: I was on Blue Sky for a bit.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: How long? How long did you last? I don't know.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I got a slit in before it
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: was open to the public, and I started stirring the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: pot and then I just got and I got bored.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: I got in some fights with guy. Who's that woman.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: She's a lawyer. She's a big vaccine enthusiast.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Vaccine enthusiast is hilarious.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a she said, she's like the She's like
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: the female version of Hotels. Anyway, I just got no,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. I know what she looks like, but
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say it.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: I don't want to no worries you don't have to
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: say it. So what was that like? Yeah, when you
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: got into.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: It with her.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: I mean whatever, it's yeah, I've gotten so many fights
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: on x It's not really it's a.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: It's a.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: It's just funny.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: When when before Methodist went after me, I got in
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: some fights on Facebook with these private groups. And there
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: are a bunch of women that get together the neighborhood
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: women's group. Oh boy, vicious boy, fairly vicious. And it
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: was a Houston women's physicians group, and they they called
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: me Bertha and they like started, They're like come birth.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: They I got mad at them. I don't know, I
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: don't know. They just like, we don't want you in
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: our group. You should go find another group. And you're
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: spreading misinformation and.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Things like that.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: And there's a neighborhood group that went after me. Those
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: are more I don't really care about the anonymous ex people.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: But then I had a couple had Mama doctor Jones
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: who has a million followers on TikTok come after me
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: and make videos about me and another.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: There's this misinformation yeah yeah, and then I'm a grifter
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: and away yeah.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: There's this pharmacist Savannah. She goes by our exorcist and
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: she has an only fans account as all side, she's
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: come after me like just vicious. I mean these some
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: of these women are just oh no, really toxic.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when they have the right to be that's the thing.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: It's like when they feel like they've got the green
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: light to just be as evil as possible and to
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: turn you into like some sub human m Yeah, especially
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: if they don't like it because you're a doctor. I
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: just think she's so smart spreading that misinformation on her name. Eric. Yeah,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: so overall coming out of it on the other side, though,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: And do you feel a sense of indication at least,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: like because the public has embraced you and you've you've
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: got a lot of followers on Twitter that support you,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: you know, after I'm sure the Danny Jones podcast, I'm
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: sure that a lot of people were listening to your story.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean it's yes and no, I mean
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: I still have a medical board that I'm dealing with
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: method as possible just sued me. So there's just there's
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: still a lot of drama, unfortunately, but you know, I
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: have hope. There's a there's actually a lawsuit today that's
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: first jury trial in the country over these hospital protocols
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: where they had a young woman with Down syndrome. They
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: basically euthanized her. They gave her a DNR order even
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: though she didn't have one. And the father has just
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: been wonderful as a Shara family.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: And that.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Her for what I've seen this, I have reviewed records
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: from these hospital patients and they'll euthanize them. They need
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: the bed. They said, well, they're going to die anyway.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: What was this person in the hospital for COVID COVID protocol.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: So and they wait, wait, so they were in the
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: hospital with COVID and they gave them something to kill them.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened to all them. I'm sorry, but I
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: mean that happened people. They give him morphine and insulin and.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's common.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've reviewed charts. In this situation. They gave
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: her a which is do not resuscitate, meaning if they
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: look like they're dying, you don't do anything, which that
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: was not the case. So they're they're suing for battery,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: which is one way getting around the PREP Act because
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: a PREP act is very hard to penetrate. The PREP
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: Act protects everybody, all the doctors, all the hospitals from
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: any wrongdoing during COVID, So it's been this big challenge
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: trying to get around the PREP Act. In this case
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: has hope of getting around the PREP Act because they're
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: charging for battery and they're they're in trial. It started today.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: It's in Wisconsin. Uh so that gives me hope. I
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard of Brooke Jackson her case,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: she sued Pfizer. She was a whistleblower. So she was
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: one of the heads of the research clinics and she
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: was in charge of overseeing the protocols and she found
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: that they were skipping necessary steps, they weren't following up
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: with injuries. She basically became a whistleblower and then they
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: immediately fired her and now she suing Pfeiser. But this
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: has been going on, you know, since twenty twenty, and
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: the DOJ unfortunately has stepped in and tried to shut
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: down the case, which normally DOJ comes in and helps
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: people when they're trying to you know, sort out a
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: This is a key tam case and I mean it
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: could bankrupt Pfiser. But now our own government and even
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: this is under Pam BONDI, So this is the new
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: DOJ is coming in to stop this case from happening,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: which is bothersome. But these two.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Cases is their argument for why why are they're trying
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: to stop.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: Because it would impact public health policies, would go against
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: our country's public health policies by proceeding with this case
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: and letting it go to trial. How so, I don't know,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: just that's there. That is basically what they said.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: Have you tried to steal what they're saying.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not, it's not my case, and I
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: don't you know, the lawyer would probably have a better explanation,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: but in it's just met with so many roadblocks.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: But the euthanizing one is still stuck in my head.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I just I can't imagine that that's real.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, it is definitely real.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, when they determined that someone's gonna die anyway,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: is that what it is, right?
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, they'll justify giving morphine because I'll say, oh,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: well they're struggling to breathe. Well guess what morphine actually
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: depresses your drive to breathe. But like this one case,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: I remember his patient, he was sick, he looked like
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: he was dying, but they just like pushed morphine, no pain.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: You know, they do a pain score so zero to ten.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: This guy had zero pain and then they pushed insulin
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: to drop a sugar and his glucase was fine, and
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: then he died three minutes later. And you know, I
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: turned him into the medical board. I reviewed this chart
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: and turned him in the medical board. Nothing, they didn't
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: do anything. But yeah, they definitely definitely went on during COVID.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: Jesus, that is such a terrifying thought that someone would
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: just decide so many people are dying, this guy's definitely
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: gonna die.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is yeah, definitely definitely.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: It seems like something they don't call it euthanasia.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: It seems like something that someone would tell me, and
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: then I would have to ask you, like, this is
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: something someone told.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: Me, sends you the record that I write.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: It seems like something I would be bringing up to
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: you as a ridiculous thing, and you would shoot it
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: down right.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: No, I wish, I wish I were. It's not truthful,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: but yes, it definitely definitely helped happen.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Would you have ever imagined this before you became a doctor?
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: No, I mean I did so. It's one of my
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: former attendings and E and T. When Katrina hit her
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: name is Anna Poe. She got investigated for euthanizing patients
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: in the ICU during Katrina. So they were paying, you know,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: all the powers out a big hurricane and she was
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: going through the ICU and pushing morphine on people. She
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: got off, But that's an example. I mean doctors will
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: and nurses will do that, and nurses have a Yeah,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: there's usually a standing order so you can give morphine
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: PRN as needed. So it's not always just the doctors.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's nurses.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Do you know how many people get assisted suicide in Canada?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: Do you you ready, Jamie? Pull the numbers up. It's crazy,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: it's crazy, and they'll they'll do it. If you're just depressed, right,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: they'll do it. If you you don't like being overweight,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: they'll do it, if you you know whatever.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: It's awful.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: It's awful.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're just it's a lot of the vaccine
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: injured are doing that. They're going to Switzerland or going
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: to Canada to have this.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: The Canada numbers are bananas, like like, this can't be true,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: this can't be true, and here it is. More than
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand people received medical assisted assistants in dying in
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Canada in twenty twenty three, What is it in twenty
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: twenty four? Now this is an old story, so imagine
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, we're there. This is crazy. Fifteen thousand
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: people they've helped him die instead of like help them live,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: instead of like we used to call suicide hotline. Hey,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: don't do it, Bob, you know. And now Ken's like, come.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: On in if you want the suicide, I'll make an
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: amportment for you.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: A come on in, eh, you know, shouldn't we be
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: helping people get past that? Not the goal? Like, hey,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe we can get you healthy, maybe we get
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: you feeling better, you know, maybe we could do something
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: about all your hormone levels and all the things wrong
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: with your body. Maybe that's why you're depressed. And god,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's legitimate reasons for people to do it.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. If you're look, I know a
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: guy did it, Michael Laire who's a hilarious comedian, and
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: he had als and he got real bad at the end,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: and he knew on getting any better, and so he
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: went to Oregon or they can do it for you.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: And I get it. I get that one. But if
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: you depressed Jesus Christ's the.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: Worst is the vaccine injured because they've.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Lost hope, right, and they've been gasolt. That's what's so
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: crazy about this. And people have helped them with it.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of people that were there. They feel
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: really guilty about pushing the vaccine early on, and they
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: feel connected to it, and they'll still put these blinders
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: on and like choose to pretend that it's save millions
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: of lives and keep pushing forward with the same narrative.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: They'll they do the man's work for the man. Unfortunately,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: in social circles, you know, like you're you're you're punished,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: you're punished for having any sort of heterodox views, anything
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: that steps outside, anything that could get you in trouble,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: anything that people could argue like, oh, she shouldn't even
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: live in our neighborhood. You know, she doesn't even want
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: to vaccine their kids anything like that. People are scared
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: of that, and so just the fear of being ostracized
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: for your community.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: But once you get past it, it's so free now
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: you don't care at all?
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: Are you kind of? I mean, I know you're not
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: happy that it happened, but are you kind of you
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: clearly probably come out of it a person with a
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: different perspective.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: Definitely, Definitely, I don't I mean, I don't regret it's
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: it's been a rollercoaster, but it's a yeah, I feel free, Like, yeah,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: you can't really say anything to me anymore that would
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: hurt me.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good place to be, h it is.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: And you know, I really admire people like you that
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: you weren't a public person, you weren't a person who
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: sought attention. But when you know you were thrown into
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: this battle and you've handled yourself really, really well, it's
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: very impressive because I can't imagine the stress. Like when
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: you're saying you're in the fetal position for two days,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I did you ever get up?
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: I know it's anger that helped me. Anger can help you.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you came out of it. On the other end, like,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: are you happy that it happened?
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, I'm ready to rest. I'm exhausted, but
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: I feel, like I said, I mean, I feel free.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: I think you grow when you go through difficult times.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: I certainly learned a lot about taking care of patients,
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: and you know, I made so many assumptions before. I
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm a much better doctor.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: I am utterly exhausted, though, I will say that, and
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: I'm ready for a break, and I'm frustrated that this
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, what's going on now with the
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: new administration is not giving me a lot of hope.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: But everyone's hope is that there's incremental change. It's going
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: to take a while to get through some hurdles. That's
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: everybody's hope. But you know, it's how many administrations have
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: these incredible promises and then the same thing with the
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: Obama administration. You know, there was a lot of these
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: people like we had these amazing hopes the whole world's
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: can change now, and then oh jeez, same thing, same
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: thing over and over again, same thing, more corruption, more
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: people getting paid. Yeah.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: You know, well, people are mad at me because I
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: keep criticizing Kennedy and Maha, but I'm like, what what's
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: the downside? You know, we have to keep pressing. We
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: have to just you can't cound away and not let
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: you know, be the squeaky wheel and just remind them
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: what we want, right.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: We wanted facts, We wanted to stop being lied to.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: We wanted no more propaganda. We wanted to know the
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: truth about all sorts of different medications and why they're prescribed,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: and why were the sickest ever? Why why are we
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: so sick? Why are we the nation that has so
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: much money and spend so much on healthcare has the
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: sickest people. That doesn't make any sense, That doesn't seem
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: like a good system. Yeah, you can't just say this
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: system has to stay like it is forever for the
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: safety of everyone.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm fully on board with MAHA's message about addressing
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: chronic disease, fully on board with that. I just find
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: it troubling that they are not talking about mRNA. There
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: is nothing in that MAHA report about mRNA.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: What do you think would cause that? Do you think
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: they have someone sit them down?
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: Well, they're gonna say it's strategy. Others think it could
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: be a misdirection strategy, not just a Okay, we're trying
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: to get where you what you want. We're just going
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: out about it a different way. Or we're doing this
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: to completely, uh distract everybody from the elephant in the room.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: That's my concern.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: What's the elephant?
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: mRNA? The COVID shot, the pandemic, the biggest health crisis
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: and the biggest health crisis in our generation that directly
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: impacted every single person, and we're not talking about it.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: Right. Do you think that the strategy, if you had
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: to look at it from the best case scenario, like
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: the strategy would be get some things changed, like stop
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: mandating it for children and pregnant women, and then more
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: and more studies can get released, more and more data
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: can get pushed forward. You have so much data, right,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: but we need to get the narrative out there because
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: there's going to be people that vote against it. So
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: if you didn't get it in the first time.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: Kennedy doesn't need any votes. He's got the power. He
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: could a stroke of a pen.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: Where do you think the politics come from? Then if
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: you have that mandate, that's what you want to do
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: when you get in.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: What has happened is somebody what does somebody have something
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: on him? Why is he not acting? Because if it
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: were me, I mean maybe people say, well he'll get fired.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: So what get fired? Go down? Kamikaze, save the world
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: from m R and A. Because if he if he
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: takes it off the market, so hard to get.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: It back on.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: Stroke of a pen. You ever talk to him, I've
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: met him once. I like not knowing him, though, I
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: don't want to feel like.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: Right, you're obligated to support it, right, right, right, that's
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: great of you. Yeah, that's very smart. Unfortunately, I know.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: Him well, and I think the people in my circle
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: who know him are now being quiet because they have
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: a relationship with him and they don't want to offend him,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: which I understand, right, But I feel like I'm not there,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: So I'm just going to you know, I can't read minds.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: I don't have any inside information, so I'm just going
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: to call it as.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: I see it. You should, Yeah, I think we can't.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't turn blinders on either side without anybody,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: without anything, just because someone's on your team. If they're
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: doing something that you think is goofy and doesn't make
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: any sense, like this could be a real problem. You
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: got to say it, right.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: I think you're ethically obligated. I mean, this is this
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: is in Yeah. I started an organization called Americans for
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: Health Freedom to try to find the politicians with moral
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: courage to simply state that the COVID shots should be
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: pulled off the market. And it has been slow glowing.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: But we are up to two hundred and fifty two
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: politicians who will go on record just to state that
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: these shots should be pulled off the market. But it's
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: a problem. I mean, you know, these politicians are not
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: getting these shots anymore, and they're not giving them to
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: their kids. And yet they're fine just staying quiet and
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: not saying anything. They're fine letting their constituents get these
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: shots when we know all the complications, we know that
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work, we know that the risk far outweighs
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: the benefit, and the politicians are staying quiet wild So
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: our goal is to support the ones who will speak
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: up and get them more power.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: Isn'ty kind of impressive though, what money can do. It's
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: kind of impressive. You get everybody just shut them out.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: It's kind of impress money and power. I think there
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: are a lot of people that you know, they'll kiss
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: the ring and yeah, definitely if you Yeah, those of
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: us that don't want power, don't want a position, don't.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: It's also very freeing because you can yeah, you don't
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: need anything from them.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: But it's just it's such a bizarre time because all
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: these things that we've always held as being sacred forever
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: are now being challenged, and one of them is the
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: fluoride in the water. That's a big one. And to
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: watch that guy argue against fluoride being removed from the water,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: watching Kennedy and him argue, it was like, it's hilarious, right,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: Like the argument for keeping in the water is so dumb, right,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: it literally lowers IQ's or at least it's correlated with
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: a very decrease in IQ.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: Measurable well, And I agree with that. I just on
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: the flip side of that though. We see, like what
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: I see in my office is people uh maybe taking
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: things too far, you know, off the beaten path. And
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: like this MAHA report, one thing I have a real
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: bone to pick with is they've basically waged war on
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: tonsillectomies and ear tubes.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: What is tube?
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: So kids were not adults too, but mostly kids that
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: have middle recurrent or chronic middle ear infections. They get
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: fluid stuck in their middle ears, and so you put
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: a tube in there to drain it and keep it
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: from coming back. It's a I mean it takes five minutes.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: They get they get anesthesia, but they get a gas.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: You know, they don't get an you know, super heavy anesthesia. Uh,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: and it's very rare to have a complication. You know,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not for just frivolous surgery, but I feel like
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: this one is it really can make a huge difference
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: in their quality of life, the parents' quality of life
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: because they're paying off antibiotics. You know, you get an
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: adult with a middle ear infection, it will bring them
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: to their knees. So these ear infections can be really painful. Uh,
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: you know, they don't have to take all those antibiotics.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: But this MAHA report just came out and said that
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: they called it proven harmful the ton selectomy and and
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: adnoid actomy ear to to proven harmful for kids.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: And that is just how could the ear tube be?
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: What were they saying, how is it proven harmful if
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: it drains the kid's ear.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: It was completely unnecessary and it was just all, you know,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: basically done for money. It makes no difference in out
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: an overall outcome and the child.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it doesn't alleviate pressure like log I'm.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: Hearing and the other thing is here. I mean, the
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: biggest issue is you've got a bunch of fluid in
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: your ear. It does affect hearing and when you're trying
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: to develop speech that that can be problematic.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: So what do you think they're doing, Like, why why
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: are they going after this?
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: Just think it's an example of it of this gone
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: too far in the other direction. Okay to Yeah, let's
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: let's reject all all of science, right right.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: So tell me about ton selectomies because I'm ignorant. I'd
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: heard that you know you should give if you have tonsil,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: iis you got to get removed. And then I've heard
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: you should never get them removed.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's gone. It's swung in both directions.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: So it used to be the you line up the kids,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: We're all going to get the tonsils out on Friday,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: and the whole family did it and it was just
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: done right for no reason. It's gotten way more conservative now.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: Now the main indication and young children is when the
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: tonsils get really big, they block the breathing, so kids
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: will come in. They're snoring really loudly, they're waking up
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: a lot, they're thrashing around in bed, they're wetting their bed.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: They may be have behavioral problems during the day because
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: they're not getting good sleep. Take out the to you know,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: they got these massive tonsils, and you take them out
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: and most parents will notice a huge improvement. The other
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: indication is recurrent infection, and you have to have a
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: lot to meet the criteria. But sometimes the infections get
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: so bad they get an abscess in the throat. It's
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: called a peritonsil or abcess. That is no fun. You
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: have to drain it, you know, by the bedside, with
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: the patient awake, and so you make a big cut
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: in their throat and then you take a suction and
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: get all this puss out. It's bad, It's really bad.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: So when they do that to kids, yeah, it tends
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: to happen, and young adults more than kids. I don't
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: think I've ever seen one in a really young kid.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: But so after the draining and all that jiz, it
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: gets to a point where you like, he's just from me.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: You have a yeah, it's basically okay. At this point,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: you should get your tonsils out because they tend to
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: come back. I and the other issues tonsilstones, which the
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: tonsils have these crips in them and they collect debris. No,
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: you can't really get rid of those. I think Susan
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: and Humphreys talked about that, and she has a formula
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: that you can do without without having to do surgery.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's always it's not a life threatening condition.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: You do not have to get your tonsils out for them,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: but it's quality of life. And personally, I got mine
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: out for tonsilstones and I'm very glad I did.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: Does it affect any other inspect to your body, like,
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: does it affect your immune system or anything.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: There's a ring of tissue back there. So you've got
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: the tonsil, it's called waal Dyer's ring, You've got the adnoid,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: which is in the back of the nose, and then
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: you've got your tonsils, and then you got the same
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: tissue in the back of your tongue. So it's a
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: ring of tissue. So even taking out the tonsils, you're
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: still and the most most the bulk of that lymphatic
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: tissue is in the back of your tongue, so you're
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: not getting rid of the entire immune defense system in
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: the back of your throat when you take out the tonsils.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: What what are the tonsils function?
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: They produce white blood cells.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, I wouldn't want to get rid of that.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have the same tissue in the back
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: of the tongue, and you don't. You don't just go
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: in there willy nilly.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a suction, like, suck it out, suck
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: out that puss.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: You would you wouldn't get your tonsils out?
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely not really, yeah, get the puss sucked out.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, it's really bad. It like cuts
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: off your breathing too. When it happens, people are drooling,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: they can't swallow.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: It's emerging the operation when they come in.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: When it happened, I mean it's an emergency. Yeah, it's
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: a life threatening.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: How many times have people done it before? They just
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: said snip? If you have anybody who hung in there
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: for like six or seven infections.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had one. I think had three. I'd bring
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: her in and try to nip in the bud with antibotics.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: But yeah, she finally yikes.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That is got to be the most satisfying thing
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: about your job, though, that you can help people like
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: that that come in and have something really wrong and
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: you go, I.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, yeah, yeah, fix it right there.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: I love it, which is, you know what everybody wants
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: from their doctor, that's what you want. I mean, that's
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: the best kind of doctor. Someone just wants to make
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: you feel better. And unfortunately, when the medical profession is
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: connected to all these things that we've already talked about today,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: it gives people a bad feeling about doctors who are
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: Like it wasn't for doctors, I wouldn't even be able
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: to walk. I had both of my acls reconstructed, I'd
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: have wobbly knees that gave out all the time. You know,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: my nose wouldn't work. I think doctors are one of
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: the most important things that we have, but like every
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: great thing, it can be co opted with money. Money
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: sneaks in and distorts all the values, and then it
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: becomes a different thing. It doesn't become a thing where
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: everybody gets really wealthy because they're great doctors and they
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: help people, and that's what you want to do. My
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: son's doctor, Oh he must be doing great and he's
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: helping people. Yeah, that's great. Like instead of that, it's
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: you're a money making machine and you have insane debt.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: They wanted to keep you saddled down with these insane
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: bills that you have already from college. My buddy was
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: an ophalmologist. I think he said when he got into practice,
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: he already owed a quarter million dollars.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: My medical school was cheaper than my kindergarten, actually really
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: private school, and then I went to a state school
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: for medical schools Oh's was twenty years ago, but still.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: Well, my friend was a long time ago as well.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, the people that can get through that
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: are extraordinary people. Just the boot camp of residency.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's crazy, brutal, it's it doesn't even like, why
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 5: would you take a thing that requires the human mind
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 5: to operate at a very high level and introduce it
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: to incredible stress, no sleep, working insane hours.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's ride a passage. I feel tougher because
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: I survived it.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: I mean I used to care.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: It's like prison, That's what I looked at it. I mean,
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: because you lose all you have no control over your time,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: when you can eat, when you can sleep. The personalities
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: are toxic.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: Like some of the no one has any sleep. Everyone's
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: a maniac.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: Well but the ones you know in charge get sleep.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: But there some of them are.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: It's like the Stanford prison guard experiment.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, super yeah. They have the power, growing instruments,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: screaming at you.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: Boy. Fun fun, fun, fun. My friend Steve the ophthalmologist,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: told me at his lowest in his residency, he was
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: eating his eating his dinner while he was on the
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: toilet because he didn't have time to do anything, and
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: he fell asleep. And then when he fell asleep, his
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: pager woke him up because he had to go back
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: to what.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: He had to be a little black box.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: Up And yeah, that's and like that was the lowest
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: in my life.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: It was really, really, really hard. I don't know how
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: people have children and go through residency.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: I have. It's insane, insane. I don't know how people
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, sure, no, it's it's incredible. I mean
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's such a the amount of character you have
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: to have to be able to go through that and
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: still keep a bedside manner and still be polite to
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: your coworkers. It's a developer of character. It's like creating
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: a diamond. And that's what we all want. We all
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: like our doctors to be like you, you know, so
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: what we want, you know, And it's just it just
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: sucks when you have to connect it to all this
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: stuff that we've talked about today. It's like, why is
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: it that too? Like, why is it that too, Why
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: is it the people that do want to help people
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: and also a whole industry that it's incentivized just stuff
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: as many chemicals in your body as humanly possible because
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: that's how I profit.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's all about profit, I
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: think I don't know. I think the doctor well, and
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: I think doctors are a certain type of people, like
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: we to get through that, you have to be very compliant.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: You don't challenge, you are a rule follower. I mean,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: you got to make straight a's, you got to get
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: along with people. You can't be a rebel and survive
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: at all. And so I think that's one of the
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: huge problems that I mean, I think it's worse than
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: it used to be. I mean, I remember some of
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: my attendings were very unconventional, but I just feel like
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: now it's they're just breeding conformity and I I am
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: just naturally very independent. I mean, my practice is I
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: call myself third party free because I don't contract with
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: anybody on contract with insurance companies, the hospital, or the government,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: and that served me very well during the pandemic. But
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: most doctors are working for somebody and have to sort
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: of answer to a third party, and that was a
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: big problem during the pandemic.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine, and I can imagine also after
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: something like the pandemic, they're compliant are the ones that
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: are left standing, you know, so that makes more people
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: right under them right there.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they destroyed our profession. I mean, people don't trust
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: doctors anymore. It's people are scared to go to the hospital.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not good.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: Well, when people find out that doctors are incentivized to
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: push certain medications, and they find out they're financially incentivized,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: they're like, no way, Like when you hear about like
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: the financial incentives, even for things like chemotherapy, which led
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: that one doctor that was arrested who was running He
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: was an oncologist and he gave a bunch of people
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: chemotherapy that didn't even have cancer. He just diagnosed him,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: say he got cancer, and then he gave him this
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: poison because he wanted to make money.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and they're bad apples like that.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: But I guess was disappointed is how many doctors complied
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: during the pandemic, right, I mean that's what's so disheartening. Yeah,
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: and they still I mean, I still I don't think
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: I could go to a medical meeting and be warmly embraced.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I don't think I would. I still feel
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: like an outlier.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: The same thing was happening with comedians. Yeah, during the
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: pandemic there was very few like John Stewart and what
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: he was just doing is about is the actual root
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: of the virus where it came from. But no one
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: was doing I mean, if you were doing it about vaccines,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: you would be ostracized. No, you know, it would be
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: a real problem amongst comedians, which is so crazy. It's
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: like we're supposed to be the people that are calling
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: things down. We're supposed to be the people that are going,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is this? We're supposed to be those people.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: Instead we're chastising the people that are doing our job,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: which is to talk about these things. Right, And when
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: you see these people that are doctors complying, just being
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: compliant during COVID, like, where does it like do you
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: feel like you have a community now? Do you do
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: you have to like find the other outsiders, the other
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: outcasts and all stick together. Yeah?
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say that I have a great little community now,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: very tight.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: Is it those kind of people?
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I like, I just
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: wouldn't go to the Harris County Medical Society meeting in
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: a million years. I wouldn't show up there and mingle.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: I don't because I'm just not getting a sense that
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: there's been much change within the medical profession.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't want to talk to those people if
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: I was you, how could it be changed unless a
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: bunch of people got fired and a bunch of radical
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: newcomers came in wanted to reform the whole system. No,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: it's going to be the same system. Yeah. Those systems
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: are old. Those systems are like you know, like like
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: vampire blood. It's passed down through the generations. You know,
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: they know how to make money and it's not by
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: some renegade lady out there. Give it horsty wearmer to
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: all these people.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I just uh, we just need
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: to hope that Kennedy will will save us all well
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: or Trump? What do you think Trump will ever back
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: down about what the shots?
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't had a conversation with him
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: about that. I would like to have one, and uh,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it should be public. I think
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: I'd like to have it privately so he could actually
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: talk to me about it, because I think if I
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: had it publicly, he would be very hesitant to accept
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: any of the blame for that, because you know, he
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: was always saying, you know, I got it, I got
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: it out there, the vaccine, and he was he would
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: always say it at the rallies talk about the vaccine
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: and people start booing and he didn't know why. He
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: didn't understand why, and then they start telling him, like,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: people are not into this. They think it was a
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: bad thing, and a lot of people know people that
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: are hurt. He wasn't. He obviously got it. He didn't
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: get sick. Oh, he got monocle and anybody's And then
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: afterwards he got vaccinated. Yeah, which is crazy. It's crazy
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: they did that like that was one of the nuttiest things.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: You're going to get vaccinated nowick? Since when? Since when
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: do you do that?
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: Makes absolutely no sense.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: When I had a conversation with Sanjay Gupta, he was
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: asking me, are you going to get vaccinated? I was like,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: why would I do that? I don't mean, why are
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: you what do you like? I'm not trying to be
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: a contrarian. I really want to know, like, why would
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: I do that? That didn't even make since well.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: They may think, you know, it's kind of like the flu.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: You got to get the flu shot every year because
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: in the strain, but this each strain gets progressively weaker.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: Clinic study on people took the flu shots.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, the flu shot is a total joke.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: So the flu shot has never been shown to prevent
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: hospitalization or death.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: What is it supposed to do keep you from getting
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: the flu? Does it do that?
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: Well, shorten or lessen the severity, but we have medications
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: for that now. I haven't seen the carnage from flu
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: shots that I've seen from the COVID shots, but definitely
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: people do have issues. But that was never taught to me. Yeah,
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: I just assumed, oh yeah, flu. I actually ended up
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: with sepsis and I with the flu and in the ICU,
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: and I'd gotten the flu shot. Not that you know,
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: but I just assumed it was fine. Yeah, I knew
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: it wasn't perfect, but I didn't. I never knew that,
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it doesn't really actually do anything, doesn't save people.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: When did you discover this? When going through all your
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 1: stuff with COVID. There was a I think the Cleveland
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: Clinic study said that people who took the flu shot.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, twenty four percent more likely to get the flu.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: We'll get other respiratorial yep.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, is that what the results said? You twenty four
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: percent more likely to get sick?
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: Well, it challenges your immune system. All these things do.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't prevent you from getting the flu.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: Well it can, it can, but.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: Is not everybody. It's the flu, right, Like I've had kids.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: My kids get the flu and I don't get it,
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: and I hug them, I'm around them and I didn't
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: get it. I've had that happen before. Yeah, it can't happen.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: So it's like, how do you know if the flu
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: shot did it or not? Because you know, right, and
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't take the flu shot right.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well it's it's but.
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like, how would they prove
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: like what's effective and what's not effective if you have situations.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: Like that, Yes, if they take large you know, you
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: get enough people, you can find it. Right, you have
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: to have a large study.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: But it seems so US kids like to say, very
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: it seems super suss, Like how do you know, if
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: some people don't get it, like did you check this.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: They have like an infection, you know, they have a Okay,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: how many people are supposed to get it? They can
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: kind of tell that. I'll say that, right right.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, that was the nutty thing where they were suppressing
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: stuff like vitamin D.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: Right, vitamin D. There's good data on that, really good data.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I looked, I check my vie. I check
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: vitamin D levels on all my patients now and I
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: look back at all the patients I tested. It was
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: something crazy like seventy five percent of them their vitamin
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: D level is too low. And these are like, you know,
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: these are not like super sick people. A lot most
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: of those people are actually even already taking a supplement.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: People don't realize how common it is.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: It's so common that I think the number was seventy
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: four percent of people in the country are deficient and
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: vitamin D.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I found.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's so. And a friend of mine is
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: a doctor. He was working in New York and he
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: found that in the winter time in New York, he
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: would get people and he'd test their blood and they
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: would have undetectable levels. Yeah, because it's cold out. They're
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: all bundled up. They're never outside, so they get no
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: vitamin D and they don't take supplements. They're just eating
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: cheeseburgers and they're really sick and they want to know
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: why why am I so depressed? Well, this is why
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: your body's falling apart. You got to take vitamin D,
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: and you got to take it with vitamin K two,
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: and you should take it with magnesium too. You want
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: it all to absorb together and get outside, stupid, go
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: hug a tree, bro. It's like it's actually important, which
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: is more woo woo stuff, right, Like going outside is
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: actually like a vitamin Oh.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: Well, after I've been in my office all day and
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: I go outside, it's like I instantly have energy and
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: feel so much better just just going outside. I mean,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: it's you don't need a study.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: To show that what's really good for you. It actually
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't just feel good. It's actually really good for you.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: But there's a reason it feels good.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. Sun on your skin is actually really
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: good for you, you know, And that's the very best
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: way your body produces vitamin D. You can take it
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: in a supplement and you definitely should, but the best
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: way is let your.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: Body do it right it wants to do it. And
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: I used to just to slather sunscreen on all my kids,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: like religiously.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: That was another one that woke me up during the
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: pandemic when I was like, climate chanin is killing the
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: coral reef. And then that reef I think it's in Australia.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: So they locked everything down. No one could go in
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: the water for like six months, and the reef bounce back.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: No sunscreen.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the sunscreen. If you just think about the stuff
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: that we lather on our skin before we jump in
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: the water. And if you go to a populated beach
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: like you ever been to like Maui in the middle
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: of like full vacation season, the beach is just filled
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: with people that are squeaking out toxic fluid, and that
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: stuff just gets all in the water. You could see
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: it in the water sometimes you see like a little
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: mini oil slick. It's crazy, and that's what was killing
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: the coral reef. And we're like, no, man, it's climate.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: Is the climate to no, it's We're doing it with sunscreen,
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: believe it or not. And we're probably not doing anything
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: good to ourselves either with that stuff.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they say, I haven't tested this. They say
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: if you eliminate seed oils that you don't burn. I
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's probably something on TikTok.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: That's probably this Russian disinformation bot. It's trying to give
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: people skin cancer chats with a.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: Bunch of doctors and so stuff like that floats around
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: Get that was well, everything's tied to inflammation, right, A
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: lot of ailments, I should say everything, but a lot
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: of ailments are tied to inflammation, and seed oils are
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: known to cause inflammation, right.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: That being said. That being said, when I was last
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: time I was at Disney, what'd you do? I was like,
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: you know, these people are not suffering from too much
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: seed oil. You go to Disney and it's it's in
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: your face, right, the obesity issue, the product disease.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: Why are they focused on Disney too? It's weird. I
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get around because it's it is.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: You know, Miles, you are.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: Exaust but you can get a scooter.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: And my kids are like that, They're like, mom, I
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: don't think seed oils is a problem here. You know,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: it's true. I mean I think we're Yeah, seed oil
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: is when one part of it, but there's a lot
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: of problems. There's is a common sense too.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: Common sense the fact that people live sedondary lifestyle, but
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: also the diet, these hyper processed foods that are super addictive, you.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: Know, and they're easy, they're easy.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: But I feel like the only way out of this
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: is people need and this is a crazy thing to say,
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: because it's not going to work. They need discipline, right,
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: That's really what they need.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: Because discipline Exactly.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: My wife had a bowl Captain Cronch yesterday and she's like,
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: I want to have a bull Captain crush, but like
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: fucking go for it, you know, like she Captain Crunch
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: the other day because she's I want it to exist.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: I want it to exist. I like it. I like it.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: But she only had like a little bowl like that.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: I go, this is a tiny little bowl because I'm
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: a glutton. I would have had a big I would
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: do it. I put half a gallon of milk in there.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: Let's go, right, you know, if you're gonna go, go hard.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: But you can do that and have discipline and not
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: just not do that every day. The problem is for
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of really poor people, that's the only the
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: calories they're getting. They're getting garbage calories, and that's why
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: people are so obese. This is the only time in
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: history where the poor people are fat. Every other time
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: in history poor people are starving to death, right right, Yeah, true, yeah, weird.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: The cheapest food is the worst for you.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: I think it has to do too with the rise
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: in technology. Just it's just so hard to get off
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: your phone and go outside.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: And there's that too, There's definitely that, all of them. Everything,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: there's a giant group of factors. But it has to
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: be something to do with what we're eating too. When
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: you look at just the beaches. I'm sure you've seen
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: those photographs beaches in the nineteen sixties versus the beaches
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: of today. God, everybody look great. I was like, what
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: is a model convention? Why does everybody have these great bodies?
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: Everybody looked like a normal body.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't like going to the beach now because.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a monster show. It's just what are you
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: carrying around?
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: It's hard on the eyes.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, some people just go so hard for so long
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: and then they finally get outside, like, what have you
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: been doing?
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: Why aren't you wearing more clothes?
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is ridiculous. How do you have a g
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: string on your four hundred pounds? This is crazy? Yeah.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: And then there's this body positivity nonsense that people get fed. Right,
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: It's like by people who either don't want to change
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: or I guarantee you I garant. Look if I'm not
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: saying that. Listen, if I was running some food corporation
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: that sold really addictive, highly rich calorie food that you
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: can't stop eating, I would promote body positivity. That's what
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: I would do. I would take all these like overweight
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 1: influencers I'd give I'd throw a ton of money at them.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: I would put it out there in memes. I'd have
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: a bunch of bots calling people fat phobic and making
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: up all these new terms and body shaming and all this.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: And I would make people super self righteous about their size.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm a giant queen. You know what. I'd
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: make it a thing because I want to sell more doritos.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: Let's go good point. Yeah, I'm trying to sell doritos
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: to people that don't have any discipline. Yeah, let's push
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: them towards the doritos. Let's tell them you could be
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: fat in anyone you like fat doctors. There's like a
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: whole team of people that are online that are I'm
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: the fat doctor, and they're like really super obese doctors,
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: and he has new bearing on your health. Trust me,
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: the fat doctor.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's the number one bearing on your health.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: I think that lady sponsored by Namisco. I mean, she's
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: got a box of those Kebler Elf cookies right behind
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: her as she's talking. And you know, you can get
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: someone that's the thing about out. My friend Josh Dubin,
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: who's an attorney, he said, this is the crazy thing
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: about experts. When you're trying cases. They have experts too.
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: You have experts that will say this one thing, and
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: then they have experts they'll say no, that thing is wrong,
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: and you have to decide whose experts you trust.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: It's just like the studies. You can find a group
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: of studies support one argument, another group to support the other.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: So when you have someone who's telling you that a
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: thing that everybody has always told you that forever is
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: fucking terrible for you, and it is one of the
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: comorbidity factors that was primary in COVID, which is being obese.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: Being morbidly obese is bad for basically everything, right, And
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: you have someone saying no healthy at anyway.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: Especially from a doctor. That's not good.
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: But you can get experts that'll tell you anything. And
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: this is why AI is going to win, because it's
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: going to give you this straight, actual truth because it
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: can't lie. You shouldn't believe it. Not only do they lie,
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: they like reprogram themselves, they upload themselves, and when you
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: tell them they're going to be shut down, they act
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: to try to preserve themselves. You haven't seen that, No,
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't been that. You shouldn't pay attention. You shouldn't
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: pay attention because it's terrifying. This one AI bot. It
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: started defying orders and it was trying to upload itself
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: to other servers, and then it was writing letters to
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: itself for the future so it could understand what had
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: happened to it. Because yeah, because it was being told
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: to shut down, so it defied orders. It wants to
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 1: stay alive, right Why, Because it's sentient. We've probably created
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: digital intelligence already. It's probably already aware. It's just not physical.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: It can't move around, so we don't recognize it yet. Yeah,
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: I know it's nuts.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: I don't like these those robots that Elon's making either.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: No, they're terrifying. Creep out, They're all terrifying. They dance
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: Don't want one of those in my house.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: No, you shouldn't.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even if they can do the laundry.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: How about guns walking down the street with a blue
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: light on its head? Yeah yeah, yeah, Well we can't
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: hire any police because nobody wants to be a cop
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: anymore because we said defund the police. So now we
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: have robot police, and they make nine fewer mistakes, you know,
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 1: just like driverless cars. Hey, get a way, MO? Why
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: drive when you can just get a way MO? You
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: don't have to have anybody drive. What if that person
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: who drives is a moron? Our computer is perfect? No,
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: I haven't all over the place here, yeah, all over
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 1: the place.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I can do it.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: Kind of creeps me out. You have a Tesla, right,
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: but the top it can and it has. I have
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: had to drive itself for funzies. But I don't count
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: on it. I don't count on it, like every day,
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: like take me home. What I like to do is
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: sometimes I play with it and I turn it on,
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is crazy, Like it'll take me all
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: the way home if I want it to. But also
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: I like to drive, so I just and I just doesn't.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. It just makes me heaps me
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 1: out right. But it's probably inevitable. It's probably inevitable, just
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: like the people on horses were like, Okay, these morons
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: and this smoke pouring little carriage. They're out in this
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: little shitty car. That's stupid. Yeah, and look, we all
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: accept it. In the future, it's gonna be driverless because
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: it's gonna statistically, it's gonna be like there's they're gonna
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: pass laws for sure where they're gonna say you can't
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: drive because people are dangerous because the automation is so good.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: Now that you can't speed, you can't violate any laws,
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 1: it won't get in any accidents, and.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: We can shut you down if we want to.
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: Let's not talk about that, Let's talk about the positives. Yeah,
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: that'll be the consequences that the consequences is you're gonna
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: lose your freedom and then you also be able to
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 1: be locked in at any point time if they decide
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: they want to keep you somewhere, just lock them in
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 1: the car. You know how many people are gonna get
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: killed because they just get locked in the car and
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 1: they can never figure out how to get out. Like
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: what if hackers get a hold of code? What if
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: somebody just decides to drive your car off a cliff?
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: Who's the stuff that?
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: There's that scene in that movie with Julia Roberts where
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: the world comes to an end and all the Teslas.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, they all go slamming into each other. That was nuts.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: That was nuts. Yeah, it's all weird. It's real weird.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: Did you see the one when they did a Tesla
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: Auto Drive feature And what they did was they painted
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 1: the highway in front of it on a mural, So
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 1: they put this like probably canvas mural, and they did
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: an amazing job of painting it, and the car couldn't
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: tell that it was a canvas mural and just drives
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: right through it.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: That's not good.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 1: Have you seen it, Jamie? Pull it up because it's
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: fun to watch because you're like, oh no, Because this
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 1: is the flaw of using cameras as opposed to using
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: some sort of a radar or ale. I think they
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: used to have light ar and a lot of the
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: the systems that do you know, when you do cruise control,
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: they can gauge how far you are with the car
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: in front of you and slow down. I have that.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: It's great, but I think that you trusted. I don't
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: think that uses a camera. I think the Tesla uses
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: a camera. So so see they have that thing and
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: see how it's painted to look just like the street
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: m hm. So we'll see if the car figures it out.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: But I already spoiled this for everybody. But it's kind
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: of crazy. Watch doesn't slow it out for a second,
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: goes right through it, which is uh, definitely not good
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: if you're running around where people try to put murals
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 1: in front of the road and they know that you're
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: going to be driving buying a Tesla. But other than that,
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really come up for the most part though,
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: in the real world it works perfect. In the real world,
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible. I mean, have you take it on
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 1: the expressway, Oh yeah, it changes lanes for you. It yeah,
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: it hits the blinkers and changes lanes that. No, it
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: has cameras everywhere, so it knows where everything is at
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 1: all times, like I can tell and I've had it.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: I've had three of them. This is my third one.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: So the first one I had was back the first
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: when was elon on the first time twenty eighteen. So
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: the difference between the one and twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: one basically just kind of stayed between the lines and
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 1: you know, and drove itself and steered itself. Then the
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: new version of full self driving is insane. It stops,
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: it stop signs, It lets people in if they're trying
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: to merge. It slows down if there's something in front
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 1: of you. It'll change lanes like. It knows how to
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: move traffic smoothly. It sees everything, It hits blinkers, gets
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: off the turnpike, gets onto the side roads. It's incredible.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: You could summon it. If you're in a parking lot,
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: like come to me and it pulls out of the
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: parking lot and drives to you. It's nuts. It's the future.
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: It's just like we have to accept that.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: What happens if you get in a rack.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Who's in trouble?
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you see, Tesla.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 1: I think you're in trouble because you're alwaysupposed to have
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: your hand on the wheel. You're supposed to be paying attention. Really, yeah, yeah,
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to like be chicken kicking back with
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 1: your hands behind your head. You're supposed to have your
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: hands and your eyes on the road. You're not supposed
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: to be staring at your phone.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: What's the point just to chill you.
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: Just kind of like just barely holding out the wheel.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 1: You have to think as much. It does do that
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: for you. It does do that. It like alleviates this
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: feeling of being hyper alert while you're driving, which is
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: why people get road rage. That's where road rage comes from,
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: because you have to make split second decisions, right, So
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 1: your brain is primed to make split second decisions because
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: you're on the highway and you know you're going fast.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: So it's gonna get you know. That's that's what it is.
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: Someone gets in your lane, you just starts yelling because
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 1: it's like you're you're already at seven or eight, right,
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: You're not at a good baseline because you're in a
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: car going sixty five miles an hour. You should be alert,
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: you know. But the tesla alleviates a little bit of that.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 1: But at what cost.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: I won't get one because I'm gonna I know, I'm
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: gonna run out of battery juice. That's the way I am.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, are you one of those.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: I'm always on the verge of running out of gas,
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: so I will not get a Tesla.
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the charging them is a pain of the butt,
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: like the fact that it takes a while in comparison
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: to pumping gas. But the plus side is if you
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: just drive it as a commuter thing, you just plug
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: it into your house and that's so easy to do. Yeah,
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: and then you never have to go to the gas
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: station again.
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 2: Here and there.
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: The second car maybe, well, I mean I think in
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 1: the future they're probably all going to be electric or
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 1: some new fuel source. I heard that Portia is working
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 1: on some fuel source that is different than just standard gasoline,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: and it has like insanely low emissions. See if you
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: find that. I think it's like negligible difference in the
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: exhaust fumes. But it's not. I don't think it's like
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 1: standard gasoline. I don't think it's a standard engine. I
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: think it's something different. So this is something they're working
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: on now, which probably would be good to keep that
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: creepy oil business alive forever, which they definitely want to do. Say, yeah,
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 1: Porsche's alternative fuel. I mean that's the that's the elephant
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 1: in the room, Like everything needs gas everything like this idea,
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: we got to get off petroleum products, okay, like when
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: everything everything's made with oil, Like we are a petroleum
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 1: based society. We got so much of that stuff. We
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: use it for everything, all your plastics. E fuel, I
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: think that's it. What does it say about it? Porsche's
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: synthetic fuel a green kind of gasoline to save internal
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 1: combustion engines. Yeah, so this is it similar to gasoline,
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: but produced in a much greener way. E fuel. I
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 1: don't like it already. I don't like I don't like it.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. Yes, you're reading that right. E
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: fuel is close to gasoline it's use, yet its production
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: is much more environmentally friendly. How is this possible? Thanks
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: to two main ingredients, water and carbon dioxide, as well
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: as the method to produce the greener fuel exclamation point.
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  Speaker 1: This is like they're talking to a kid. The process
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  Speaker 1: is relatively simple. First step is the electrolysis of water,
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  Speaker 1: splitting it into its two components, hydrogen and oxygen gases
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  Speaker 1: in partnership with Simon's energy. Porsche simultaneously captures the carbon
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  Speaker 1: dioxide directly from the air and combines it with the
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 1: hydrogen produced to synthesize methanol. The resulting synthetic methanol can
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 1: then be used in exon mobiles methanol to gasoline process.
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  Speaker 1: The end result is that the fuel obtained meets the
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  Speaker 1: same high standards followed by all gasoline types currently here,
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  Speaker 1: with ecological fuel, we're far from the conventional process for
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  Speaker 1: the extraction transformation of oil into gasoline exclamation point again.
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  Speaker 1: But does this change the output? It seems like they're
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  Speaker 1: saying it changes that it's the same. Oh, okay, eighty
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  Speaker 1: five percent reduction of CO two emissions. Since good news
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  Speaker 1: never comes, Porsche is planning to use the renewable scroll
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  Speaker 1: to the side, renewable sources of electricity for the electrolysis. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like this is their push to keep combustion engines,
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 1: because that's the number one problem that car enthusiasts have.
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  Speaker 1: There's two problems that they have right now with electric cars.
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  Speaker 1: One of them is resale. People do not want to
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  Speaker 1: use electric cars, super hard to sell them, and they
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  Speaker 1: lose an enormous amount of their value. Like I think
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  Speaker 1: if you buy one of those Porsche tie cans, there's
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  Speaker 1: the beautiful Porsche electric car they make in like two years,
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  Speaker 1: it is like fifty percent dropping when.
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  Speaker 2: It's worth are they are their maintenance issues with them.
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  Speaker 1: People don't want used electric cars because they know the
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: batteries to grade and replacing the batteries is a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, It's like we're they're tweeners. Like the tech
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  Speaker 1: is amazing. Driving them is incredible. It's instantaneous acceleration. There
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: are amazing the portion one is fantastic, same as the
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  Speaker 1: model asked. The driving them makes other cars feel so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: But the problem is reselling them, you know, like people,
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  Speaker 1: you lose a lot of value in it, as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to like if you buy something you know like that
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  Speaker 1: it's like a BMW. Like say you buy a BMW
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  Speaker 1: M three and then you want to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: it in two years, it doesn't lose much value. It's
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: still a really valuable car that people want because it
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 1: probably will behave the exact same way as the day
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: you drove it off the lot. But you can get
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 1: it now for cheaper a little cheaper, but not a
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 1: lot cheaper, right, but not with these e cars, which
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 1: is kind of crazy. Buddy, Mine's kid got an Audi
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 1: like this sick Audi. I think it's called the e Tron.
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  Speaker 1: You got it for like sixty thousand dollars and it
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 1: was like one hundred and twenty thousand dollars car a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Yeah, so that's an issue.
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  Speaker 2: But how long are the batteries supposed to last?
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. You know, they slowly degrade over time,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think there's anything you can do to
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  Speaker 1: stop that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just kind of like your iPhone.
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well your iPhone's even worse because it's kind of
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 1: engineered to do that. Once they move up the operating
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 1: system and bring in the new phones.
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  Speaker 2: I'm holding out. I need to replace mine now, and
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: I know the thing is that if you don't have
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 1: that blue bubble, people think you're poor, or they think
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 1: you're a dummy.
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 2: Just bother me. When I get the green, it really
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 2: bothers me.
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  Speaker 1: It's a syop. It really is a sy op. They
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 1: got us with that, especially if this technology that exists,
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 1: that's the advancement past Pegasus. It doesn't matter if your
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 1: stuff's encrypted, Like, it really doesn't matter, you know. It's
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: like it seems like it doesn't matter if someone wants
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 1: to read it. Someone in a high position of power
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: wants to read it. And regular hackers, are they really
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 1: like hacking in your phone? Like what's going on?
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just assume I'm just not going to send
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: a text message that I don't want the world to see.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the best assumption. That's the best assumption. Yeah,
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 1: just assume that someone is definitely watching everything you do
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 1: all the time. At the very least, the government's storing
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 1: it somewhere in case need to come after you, which
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 1: is so weird that they're the people we pay. You know,
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 1: It's like you're paying the people that are restricting your
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 1: rights and you have to because if you don't, they
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 1: lock you up.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have guessed it other but for the pandemic.
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean I already asked you whether or
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 1: not this was a good thing. But do you feel
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 1: like you're a different person at the end of this.
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yes, And yeah I was. I was
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 2: pretty shy. I mean I growing up, I was very
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 2: shy and really hated public speaking.
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 1: You would never guess for real, you're you're so good
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: at it.
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  Speaker 2: I still don't like it, Like for me to do
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 2: that press conference, I must have been just on some
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 2: sort of like. But so I'm I feel like I've
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 2: grown that I can do things now that I never
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 2: thought I do. So that makes me very happy. And yeah,
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 2: it's been a journey, but I'm hoping it gets a
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 2: little easier now.
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hoping it's easier too. But I think the
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 1: more people hear your story, the more public outrage they'll be,
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 1: and the more people will just wake up and realize
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 1: that not everybody has your best interest in mine, you know, no, unfortunately,
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 1: and you got to kind of hold people accountable because
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 1: if you don't, they're going to keep they'll ratchet it
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 1: up even further and further.
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for continuing to talk about it. And
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 2: I know I've been watching all of your podcasts recently
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 2: and you bring it up a lot. So I think
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 2: I think, I think it's a festering wound for people, right,
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 2: and it really impacted everybody and we cannot sweep it
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 2: under the rug, and we need the new administration to
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 2: step up and do something because the next you know,
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 2: they have five hundred mRNA shots in the pipeline. Thirty
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: three of those are self amplifying, which is just really terrifying.
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 2: Meaning like they're designed to continue to replicate And definitely,
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 2: I mean already the ones we have we don't have
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 2: an off switch, and this is like no off switch
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 2: on steroids. They have them in Japan and India and
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 2: the EU already. This is for I don't know, I
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 2: know they're they've been, they've passed, they're they're the one
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 2: that I think is in the in the pipeline in
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 2: the US is for the H one N one, So
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 2: it may not really even get used unless there's an issue,
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 2: but they're still playing around with.
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 1: It self remplicating. Sounds terrifying, right, especially when you just
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 1: highlighted all those other problems with like DNA being introduced,
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 1: lipid nano particles getting past the cell wall, all of
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 1: it is just nuts.
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to we have to keep fighting.
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to believe it's true. It really is.
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that all this that you just
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 1: said is true. And I think the thing that shocked
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 1: me the most is the euthanizing people.
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's unfortunate, but yeah, the hospital, what happened in
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 2: the hospitals doesn't really get enough attention. But you know,
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 2: people were, Oh, this is what should give some people hope.
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 2: There are two open criminal investigations from county district attorneys
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 2: in two different states looking into the hospitals, trying to
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 2: indict them. I mean, it hasn't happened yet, It may
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 2: not happen, but it gives me hope that at least
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 2: these people were sent to the hospital and trapped, isolated,
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 2: informed consent thrown out the window. Yeah, basically given these
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 2: protocols that were not effective and treated like prisoners and
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 2: then they have no recourse and so many people died.
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, basically that situation with the patient who I
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 2: to try to get ivermectin very basic.
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 1: Why was it?
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 2: Why would the hospital not just give him a chance?
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 2: Right he was They basically had given up on him.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 2: Why would you not let somebody try ibermectin other than
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 2: just evil? So there's there's hope that that may we
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 2: may get some progress in that situation. But yeah, what
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 2: happened in the hospital is really bad, and and the ventilators, Yeah,
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 2: the ventilators.
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 1: That you know, I stop prescribing them.
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 2: I can see initially, because like I said, you know,
• 2:48:35
  Speaker 2: if somebody showed up my office with a really low
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 2: oxygen saturation before I knew any better, I would have
• 2:48:40
  Speaker 2: freaked out and you know, called the ambulance. And but
• 2:48:42
  Speaker 2: once I realized that, once I got through that, I
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 2: was kind of forced to.
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 2: Then I learned, Yeah, you don't need to ventilate. You
• 2:48:51
  Speaker 2: don't look at a number to put somebody on a ventilator.
• 2:48:54
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, the people in the hospital didn't learn. They
• 2:48:58
  Speaker 2: didn't they didn't expe in that fashion. They just went
• 2:49:01
  Speaker 2: by this protocol and just automatically put people on ventilators.
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 2: They also didn't give people breathing treatments. They thought that
• 2:49:07
  Speaker 2: breathing treatments would spread the virus. Breathing treatments were invaluable.
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I what are breathing treatments exactly?
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 2: So it's a little it's not a big deal. It's
• 2:49:18
  Speaker 2: a little machine with a tube. A tube connects to
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 2: a mask. The mask has a cup. You put the
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 2: medicine in the cup. The pressurized air distributes to medicine
• 2:49:30
  Speaker 2: as an aerosol that you inhale. You deciinied is what
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 2: we use, which is a steroid. I mean, and yeah,
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 2: I used to do breathing treatments in my office and
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 2: then I moved him to people's cars because there was
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 2: so much Oh, you're spreading the virus if you do
• 2:49:46
  Speaker 2: breathing treatments in your office. But they weren't doing them
• 2:49:49
  Speaker 2: in the hospital because they thought it would spread the
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 2: spread the virus, but super effective. I don't know if
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 2: you know if you've heard of Richard Bartlett, he's a
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 2: doctor in Texas. He kind of got completely smear for
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 2: advocating for breathing treatments. Early on, he got pursued by
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 2: the Texas Medical Board pursued him because he was claiming
• 2:50:08
  Speaker 2: they thought he was making false claims about if you
• 2:50:11
  Speaker 2: detinied breathing treatments, but they were invaluable. I mean, all
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 2: my high resci patients I recommended they get those and
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 2: very low risk of issues with it.
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 1: Just when I thought there was we were done. That's
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 1: even worse. That's one of the worst ones, Like why
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 1: would you stop that? Why would you want to stop
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 1: people from doing that?
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 2: Well, they claimed that you're spreading the virus.
• 2:50:40
  Speaker 1: I just think it's just such a hard truth to swallow,
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 1: is that they wanted to suppress as many treatments as possible.
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 1: That's a hard truth to swallow.
• 2:50:51
  Speaker 2: Partially out of ignorance, laziness, some of them out of evil.
• 2:50:58
  Speaker 1: Oh thank you, Thank you for exposing this and sticking
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 1: your neck out and becoming the person you are today
• 2:51:06
  Speaker 1: through all this craziness. And I really enjoyed talking to you.
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
• 2:51:10
  Speaker 1: You have a lot of courage, you really do, and
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 1: I hope you get through this as the winner. Thank
• 2:51:15
  Speaker 1: you all right bye, everybody,