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Female Firsts: Ora Washington · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome stuff will
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  Speaker 1: Never Told You Protection by Heart Radio. Today it is
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  Speaker 1: time for another edition of Female First, which means we
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  Speaker 1: are once again thrilled to be joined by the awesome,
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  Speaker 1: the adventurous Eves welcomes.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I like adventurous.
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  Speaker 3: I feel called that, Like I don't really get called that,
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  Speaker 3: so I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: I would.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, you are you are, You've always got
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  Speaker 1: adventures to update us on.
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  Speaker 4: You're a globetrotter.
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  Speaker 1: What have you been up to, Eves?
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  Speaker 2: I have been.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like managing a pretty good balance of like
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  Speaker 3: chilling and working and playing and being in community and
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  Speaker 3: being isolated at the same time. Uh yes, I think
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  Speaker 3: last time I was on the show, I did talk
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  Speaker 3: about how was I was in Seattle at the time,
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  Speaker 3: and I had a really good time there and I
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  Speaker 3: really enjoyed being outdoors there. I really enjoyed being in
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  Speaker 3: the city, and I definitely plan on going back at
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  Speaker 3: some point sooner or rather than later. Other than that,
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  Speaker 3: I've been, I've been hanging out.
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  Speaker 2: Still.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like every time you've earned the label adventuresy.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I'll say.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. You're up to things and traveling about. Uh
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  Speaker 1: here's a question. I kind of half know the answer
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  Speaker 1: to this. I think were you ever into sports as
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  Speaker 1: a kid, Eves?
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  Speaker 3: I was, and I when I was younger. Okay, so
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  Speaker 3: I started in track when I was in middle school,
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  Speaker 3: so I But but it's interesting because I kind of
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  Speaker 3: my mother ran track when she was younger, and I
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  Speaker 3: think it was her who kind of was like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: EVESI you should, you know, join track. But she never
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  Speaker 3: pressured me into it. So it wasn't a thing where
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  Speaker 3: it's like she forced me to do track because she
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  Speaker 3: did it and she wanted me to continue on her paths.
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  Speaker 3: She wanted to live vicariously through me. It wasn't like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think she just kind of encouraged me to do it,
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  Speaker 3: and I was, I'm pretty much I pretty much still am.
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  Speaker 3: And I was then Okay, if if I'm willing to
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  Speaker 3: do it, then I'll do it, and if it feels right,
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  Speaker 3: then I'll do it. So I did two track, and
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  Speaker 3: I was actually pretty good at it. Although I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to be a spurner, and I think we might have
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  Speaker 3: talked about this, I wanted to be a sprinner. They
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't make me a spurner. They put me right there
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  Speaker 3: on the cusp of sprinting, and I thought sprinners were
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  Speaker 3: so cool, and I still think spriners are really cool.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I wanted to be a one hundred
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  Speaker 3: or two hundred girly. Really two hundred felt a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more right, because I don't know if I had
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  Speaker 3: the explosiveness to do one hundred and do well at it,
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  Speaker 3: But two hundred the curve and the two hundred felt
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  Speaker 3: really good to me. Hurdles no go, so they I
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  Speaker 3: ended up. I ended up being in the I tried
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  Speaker 3: long jump, not good at it. Get a long jump,
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  Speaker 3: triple jump two different things, right, I don't know one
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  Speaker 3: of those I did. I try, I wasn't good at it,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm just gonna put that out of my head.
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  Speaker 3: And then I ended up in the four hundred though,
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  Speaker 3: So that's where I ended up. I did pretty well
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  Speaker 3: at it, but I didn't stay in it long enough
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  Speaker 3: to like I think if I stayed in it longer,
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  Speaker 3: I would have done pretty even better.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't dedicate myself to it to like could could
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  Speaker 3: continue on the path of athletics in track specifically, and
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  Speaker 3: then after that I did tennis for a couple of
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  Speaker 3: years because I liked being an athlete and I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to stay in athletics and I liked tennis, but I
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  Speaker 3: didn't necessarily. It wasn't those one of those things where
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  Speaker 3: I forecast it being some great I wasn't. I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: ever an athlete. I want to be a professional athlete track.
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  Speaker 3: But it was like, when I ended up being good
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  Speaker 3: at them, I was like, huh, maybe there is something here.
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  Speaker 3: But I think, you know, some some people when they're younger,
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  Speaker 3: they start out like I really love this thing. I
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  Speaker 3: really want to do it. I really want to climb
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  Speaker 3: the ranks in it. And if I would have started
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  Speaker 3: with that mindset, I think I could have ended up
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  Speaker 3: doing athletics in a more serious way.
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  Speaker 1: You could have got out a whole different like branching line.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I think so, honestly.
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  Speaker 3: But it's funny because I still really like physicality, and
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  Speaker 3: I still really like having rigorous athletic and or just
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  Speaker 3: physical practices through the cons of styles of yoga asana
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  Speaker 3: that I would do usually it's more on the vigorous
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  Speaker 3: side and through powerlifting. I just like I like things
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  Speaker 3: that really challenged me physically, and so I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I've still been able to, in a more leisurely way
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  Speaker 3: than professional athletics, be able to keep that in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. I wish I wish I'd kept up
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  Speaker 1: with a bunch of my stuff. But once the pandemic came, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, today is at Quarantine University, so happy
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  Speaker 1: Quarantine anniversary everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I was expecting that.
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  Speaker 1: I saw my calendar over here. I'm like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember this.
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  Speaker 2: I like a whole thing. I just go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: I know about that.
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  Speaker 1: The last things I did that day, I do them
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  Speaker 1: again in memory. That's pretty poetic. I'm a very big
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  Speaker 1: tradition person. I don't know quite why, but it helps
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  Speaker 1: me mark the passage of time. I think. So I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is when I eat this meal. I remember this
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  Speaker 1: fair especially during the pandemic. That was useful because time
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  Speaker 1: m m M. To say, I was kind of similar
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  Speaker 1: to you Eves in terms of I liked playing sports.
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty good at some of them, but once
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  Speaker 1: usually once somebody came to me and was like, do
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  Speaker 1: you want to compete professionally? I would always say no,
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  Speaker 1: and then I would quit. I don't know. I to
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  Speaker 1: quit ask you got like, oh god, no this is over.
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  Speaker 2: You've noticed me. I must hide it again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah kinda yeah, but I did.
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  Speaker 2: I really.
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  Speaker 1: I also played tennis. My dad really wanted me to
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  Speaker 1: be I wouldn't say he pressured me, but he really
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  Speaker 1: wanted me to be into it, and I wasn't too.
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  Speaker 1: I liked it, but I was never like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times I was like, why don't have to go
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  Speaker 1: do tennis right now? It's hot outside. Yeah that's about
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  Speaker 1: where I was.
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  Speaker 2: So you didn't enjoy it when you were doing it.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it when I played it with my friends,
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  Speaker 1: but he signed me up for lessons and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: like the lessons. And a running theme throughout me playing
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  Speaker 1: sports was I've never wear the right clothes because I
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  Speaker 1: was such a nerd. I was wearing I remember this
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  Speaker 1: very specifically. I was wearing a Black Star Wars T
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  Speaker 1: shirt that said don't Look Back, and it had the
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  Speaker 1: picture of Darth Vader of the Shadow. It was a
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  Speaker 1: horrible shirt to wear for exercise the heat, so I
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  Speaker 1: didn't dress properly for it, and so a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it was like I was tired after school and I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't wearing the right thing. Well, when I played with
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  Speaker 1: my friends, I did really love it that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what about you, Samantha, do you have any.
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  Speaker 4: Oh No, I was definitely Actually I cheerleaded, and I
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  Speaker 4: know that could be a debate about whether or not
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  Speaker 4: it's a sport, but I did. We did like competitive
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  Speaker 4: stuff with dance and stunting, and I.
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  Speaker 1: Was always the bass, so I.
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  Speaker 4: Was the one lifting thing throwing people because I got
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  Speaker 4: those thick dyes helped me push people up. But with that,
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  Speaker 4: I did try tennis and I'm bad at it, so
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  Speaker 4: bad that the first time that I try to play
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  Speaker 4: with someone who was actually really good and he was
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  Speaker 4: trying to help me, he walked off the court and said,
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  Speaker 4: don't do this me and walked away.
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  Speaker 2: From me, and to me, it was a personal offense,
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  Speaker 2: Like he was so offended. I'm like, fair enough because
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  Speaker 2: it was not working. He was he was done, he
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  Speaker 2: was open, So it was not my thing. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of wish we had other types because again
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  Speaker 4: I also was one of those that started working at
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  Speaker 4: like thirteen fourteen, so I had to stop pretty much
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  Speaker 4: everything in order to like get things in Edver, to
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  Speaker 4: do things, so I did that, so less sports, more working.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Not very competitive. I'm very slow. I'm also very slow.
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  Speaker 4: Can't jump that high off the ground, but I can.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't. You can't up.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need to have ups to be able to
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  Speaker 3: do with sport. But that's why you were the base, right.
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  Speaker 4: That was because I was sturty on that ground.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense. I mean, this is gravity does this
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  Speaker 2: thing for a reason, and it kept me down. Fine,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine, I'm fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, blame gravity, Yeah, thank you. I like that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I am very excited to talk about the person who
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  Speaker 1: brought today. Eves is quite a wild story and it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting to see how sports have changed so much. So
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  Speaker 1: who are we talking about today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually our conversation about tennis is pretty appropriate because
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  Speaker 3: we are talking about Aura Washington today and she was
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  Speaker 3: the first black woman to win seven consecutive singles titles
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  Speaker 3: in the American Tennis Association and also kind of I've
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  Speaker 3: seen it put as like the first black American woman's
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  Speaker 3: sports celebrity, and we'll get into later. I think some
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  Speaker 3: more dig into that word celebrity. I mean, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like celebrity is already a loaded word, but the way
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  Speaker 3: that her legacy kind of panned out, and how she
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  Speaker 3: was recognized during her time, I think maybe could have
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  Speaker 3: been uplifted a little bit more as a little teaser.
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  Speaker 3: But we can start a little bit earlier than that.
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  Speaker 3: Where she was born, So she was born in the
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  Speaker 3: late eighteen nineties. Not really clear exactly when she was born,
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  Speaker 3: but it might have been eighteen ninety eight or eighteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety nine. And she was born on a family farm
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  Speaker 3: in Caroline County, Virginia. I think that's Caroline. If somebody
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  Speaker 3: knows how to pronounce it, maybe it's Carolyn. I know
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  Speaker 3: sometimes place names have specific pronunciations, but as far as
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  Speaker 3: I know, Caroline County, Virginia, and her parents were James
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  Speaker 3: Thomas Washington and Laura Young Washington. And she was the
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  Speaker 3: fifth of nine children, and they were part of a
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  Speaker 3: community of people who own farmland. And according to a
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  Speaker 3: family member, tobacco was a family's biggest crop, but they
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  Speaker 3: also grew corn, wheat, and rye. And the way the
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  Speaker 3: family had it organized was kind of like the boys
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  Speaker 3: worked outside and the fields and the girls worked inside
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  Speaker 3: and on. There's not a ton of information about this
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  Speaker 3: time in her life, but on the nineteen ten census,
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  Speaker 3: Aura it's listed as being twelve years old, which would
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  Speaker 3: put her as having been born sometime around eighteen ninety eight.
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  Speaker 2: Now, we already have.
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  Speaker 3: Talked about many times on female first how there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of dubiousness around the dates that people were born,
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  Speaker 3: and people would not know themselves, and then people would
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  Speaker 3: make stuff up and the senses would be wrong, So
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  Speaker 3: of course, making room for that, but that is that,
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  Speaker 3: I think that gives us a general sense of around
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  Speaker 3: the age she was at this time. And by this
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  Speaker 3: point her mom is already dead. Her mom died giving
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  Speaker 3: birth to the ninth sibling, and of course, yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: became hard for her dad to take care of everyone
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  Speaker 3: in the family farm and the family all of his own.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not sure exactly what happened to all of
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  Speaker 3: the their siblings and the family, but it's clear that
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  Speaker 3: Aura moved to Germantown and Philadelphia and moved in with
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  Speaker 3: her aunt Maddie sometime around the mid nineteen tens. And
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  Speaker 3: this is in Philadelphia, in Pennsylvania is where her story
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  Speaker 3: with sports starts. So just for a little context, in
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  Speaker 3: the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: y'all have talked about it on the show before, but
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  Speaker 3: with women in sports, but women and particularly kind of
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  Speaker 3: more well to do white women who had luxury of
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  Speaker 3: time and luxury of resources were encouraged to exercise. So
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  Speaker 3: middle and upper class women were forming athletic clubs. That's
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  Speaker 3: what they were spending their time doing, exercise in these clubs.
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  Speaker 3: And at the same time, women who are more working
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  Speaker 3: class and black women didn't have as much time and
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  Speaker 3: as much luxury to be involved in sports. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: exercise is kind of a it's a constructed thing because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the time people were moving their bodies
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  Speaker 3: and the work that they were doing, they're spending time outside.
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  Speaker 3: So this is not to say, I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: make it seem like this is like, oh, white women
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  Speaker 3: and upper class people were the only people who were
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  Speaker 3: more healthier or who were more capable, who were more
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  Speaker 3: capable of moving their bodies or doing sports. It wasn't
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  Speaker 3: like that. It was just like in this constructed way
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  Speaker 3: and group participation and in participation to facilities and more
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  Speaker 3: resources like that, more middle to upper class people and
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  Speaker 3: non black people were the ones who were having those experiences.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, of course, people would recognized
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  Speaker 3: that and it was being addressed. So there were organizations
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  Speaker 3: that aimed to help with these kinds of societal issues
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  Speaker 3: like poverty and being able to give black children and
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  Speaker 3: girls and women places where they could go to have
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  Speaker 3: similar experiences and exercise, and one of them was the
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  Speaker 3: Young Women's Christian Association or YWCA, which has its own
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  Speaker 3: long history, but there was a Black YWCA in Germantown
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  Speaker 3: where Aura was, and that is where her story in
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  Speaker 3: sports starts. That's where she was given access to lessons
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  Speaker 3: where she was able to learn more and that now
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't like she dropped everything and had ample and
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  Speaker 3: infinite time to participate in sport us because on the
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  Speaker 3: nineteen twenty census at least, and so during this entire time,
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  Speaker 3: essentially she's still working. She's listed as one of two
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  Speaker 3: servants working in a wealthy white home in Philly, so
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  Speaker 3: she does do domestic work at this time to obviously
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  Speaker 3: help herself and probably her family as well. So it's
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  Speaker 3: not even clear how she got interested in tennis. It's
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  Speaker 3: like I haven't seen any of her own personal records,
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  Speaker 3: any of her personal narratives about like, this is how
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  Speaker 3: I was inspired by somebody to get into tennis, this
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  Speaker 3: is who I saw playing, this is what I liked
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  Speaker 3: about tennis. There's not really much of that reflection that
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  Speaker 3: I have that I am aware of to go, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it really exists. It hasn't popped up yet,
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  Speaker 3: but there, you know, it is more information about her
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  Speaker 3: as she becomes more involved in sports. There's just not
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  Speaker 3: a lot of personal information about her personal life and
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  Speaker 3: her own.
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  Speaker 2: Reflections about it.
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  Speaker 3: But it might have been sometime around nineteen twenty three,
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  Speaker 3: when she first started playing in national Black women's competitions.
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  Speaker 3: There was an article that noted how she held the
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  Speaker 3: racket almost halfway up to handle, which is, of course,
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  Speaker 3: if you're familiar with tennis and a more unusual way
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  Speaker 3: of handling.
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  Speaker 2: The racket, usually hold it farther down.
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  Speaker 3: But in ten twenty four, we're skipping a lot. So
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  Speaker 3: I just want to recognize that. I want to call
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  Speaker 3: that out because we're going to get right into like
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  Speaker 3: when she started winning, she's actually playing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you know, it's kind of like we have.
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  Speaker 3: To skip the whole month the training montage because I
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  Speaker 3: don't know any of that that information isn't available, but
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  Speaker 3: of I am curious about what percentage of that was
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  Speaker 3: and the lessons she got, what percentage of that was
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  Speaker 3: naturally came to her. So I did see noted in
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  Speaker 3: some of the articles about her, like, oh, she had
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  Speaker 3: natural talent. But I do think I know y'all know,
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  Speaker 3: oftentimes in these articles about people, it's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of inflation, there's a little bit of embellishment. So how
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  Speaker 3: I don't really know how a person can judge what
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  Speaker 3: is someone's natural talent versus what is someone's development through
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  Speaker 3: the skills that they gained and the lessons that they took.
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  Speaker 3: And I also don't want to diminish, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: actual work that she put into it, especially considering I
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  Speaker 3: don't really know what she did to put the work
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  Speaker 3: into it. So yeah, but she did start winning pretty early.
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  Speaker 3: In nineteen twenty four, she won the city championship in Wilmington, Delaware,
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  Speaker 3: and women's singles and doubles and mixed doubles titles, and
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty five she won the New York City
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  Speaker 3: and New York State championships, and notably she beat Isadora Channels,
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  Speaker 3: who had won ATA national championships twice, and ATA as
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  Speaker 3: in the American Tennis Association, so I'll be saying ATA
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  Speaker 3: when they come up from now on. But she also
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  Speaker 3: that same year won the women's doubles titles at the ATA,
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  Speaker 3: and the ATA was a national black tennis organization that
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  Speaker 3: was founded in nineteen sixteen. Since black folks were barred
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  Speaker 3: from playing against white folks, so this was a situation
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  Speaker 3: where as we'll continue to talk about later, Or had
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  Speaker 3: to stay in the black folks lane because she wasn't
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  Speaker 3: really competing against white people during this time because of segregation.
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  Speaker 3: So at the time, Aura would trade top spots with
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  Speaker 3: Isidora Channels and Lula Ballard, and she played doubles with Lula,
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  Speaker 3: and she had some difficulties beating them at nationals, and
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  Speaker 3: she would beat them at the state levels. But in
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  Speaker 3: July nineteen twenty seven she won at the Pennsylvania Open,
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  Speaker 3: and she got that title again the next year. But
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  Speaker 3: during all this time, she was still having to work.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, she was she was getting more titles in
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  Speaker 3: the sports that she was playing, but she also had
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  Speaker 3: to continue working. And around the spring of nineteen twenty nine,
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  Speaker 3: she moved to Chicago, and when she was there, She
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  Speaker 3: worked as a domestic worker in the hotel for a
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: couple of years, and she beat Francis Gittins in nineteen
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: nine and that's when she got a women's national title,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and that was the first of men need more to come.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: And she continued to do well in the black tennis realm,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: but in the off season she turned to basketball.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So basketball was kind.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Of more It was the thing that a lot of
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: women played, and it was a little bit more easily
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: accessible to black women and to the working class. And
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: it was like she would in the warmer months play
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: in the spring and summer play tennis, and then she
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: was able to in the fall and winter play basketball,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: and so she kind of had she had a real
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: year round sports practice. And in nineteen thirty she joined
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: the Germantown Hornets, which played at the local YWCA.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And they were doing really well.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: So by March of nineteen thirty one, they were up
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: fourteen games to one game and Aura was.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Usually the high scorer in the game.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: In the articles about her, they talk about, oh Aura,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: she she carried the team. Basically, we were passing into her,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: she was making the points. There was a lot of that,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Like Aura was a star on the team she was on,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and the Hornets soon became a professional team and they
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: ended up playing other black women's teams, so white women's teams,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: and sometimes they even play black men's teams. But there
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: was a big defeat in nineteen thirty two, and that
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: was against the Philadelphia Tribune Girls, which was related to
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Tribune.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: They sponsored.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: That's why they were called that because the Philadelphia Tribune,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: which was a black newspaper, did sponsor them. So they
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: beat Aura when she was on the Hornets to win
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: the national title after this really intense championship series of
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: five games to determine who was going to be the
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Black women's champions, and Otto Briggs, who was the circulation
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: director for the Philadelphia Tribune, got her to switch team,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: enjoining the Tribunes as captain in the fall of nineteen
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: thirty two, so she wasn't even on hornetstat long when
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: they lost. She was like, Okay, I'm good. I would
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: love to know how that conversation went. But I wonder
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: how much convincing it took her to switch teams. But
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: it's a nice rivalry story, I feel like. And so
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: then she's switched over she switched teams, and Ora did
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: get a small salary for playing on the team, but
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: she didn't earn enough to stop doing domestic work still.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: So as in many of the other stories we talk
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: about on Female First, it's like, okay, yeah, we were
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: talking about their accomplishments now in hindsight. And sometimes they
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: got notoriety while they were alive. Sometimes they didn't get
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: it until they were dead already. But oftentimes they weren't
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: making money to match whatever whatever kind of recognition they
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: were getting at the time, and that was a case
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: for Aura. She kept working and at the same time,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: the team kept winning games. By January of nineteen thirty three,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: they had won eleven consecutive games. The Philadelphia Tribunes did
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: and in the book A Spectacular Leap by Jennifer H. Lansberry,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the author says that Aura had great stamina and she
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: had the ability to pass or shoot with either hand,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: so they were doing well. A lot of that was
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: attributed to Aura, although it was definitely a team effort.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: In nineteen thirty four, the Tribunes went on tour and
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: they were doing their thing, and Aura herself, she was
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: still on the tennis side as well, so I got
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: this basketball thing going on, We're going back to tennis now.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Back on that side, she lost the ATA singles title
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: for the first time since she first won it in
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: nineteen twenty nine, so she was winning for a while,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: but in nineteen thirty seven she did win it again.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: However, she.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Planned on retiring, so around nineteen thirty eight, she retired
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: from her tennis singles career. However, she did plan to
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: keep competing in doubles matches.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Out of curiosity.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Do y'all like, do y'all prefer singles or doubles in tennis,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: whether that's playing or watching.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I prefer playing doubles most of the time. I watched
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: tennis at singles, But I don't know if that's a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: preference thing or if that's just how it has panned
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: out for me in my life.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I don't really watch tennis. I'm just gonna admit it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Like, if I were there live and this is for
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: all sports, I think for me, I would enjoy it.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: But watching it on DV is not my favorite. So
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: the few clips that I've seen are those like because
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I like the person, you know what I'm saying. So
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know much about because I have recently watched
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: the fact that they are now micing a lot of
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the editor so that's been interesting.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, sorrysure, okay, Yeah, I was asking because I
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I know that or I did both, so
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: she did both singles and doubles, and when I played,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: they put me in doubles more. I think I just
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: wasn't strong enough in tennis, Like I just I mean,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I wasn't strong.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I wasn't strong as a tennis player enough. In general.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I had a lot more work I needed to do
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to get better. I was decent. I was decent, but
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I think there were I think there was a market
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: just advantage that other players had over me because they
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: started younger.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I started in high school.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: And then there were the people who were like a
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: little bit wealthier, you know, they were like U upper
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: middle class, and they had the ability to get tennis
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: lessons starting from a young age, and I was just
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: outclassed when I would go to compete a lot of
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: the time. But I do know that if I would
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: have been able to have more time and lessons that
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I could have done better. But I enjoy watching singles
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: a lot as well. I think when I do I've
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: watched tennis. I'll watch singles more, but I do really
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: like playing doubles and it's fun to have a partner
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: on your side, you know.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: It's at this point in Aura's journey in tennis where
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: she kind of she leaves singles behind, at least for
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the moment, and then keeps stealing doubles matches. So back
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: on the basketball side. In nineteen thirty eight, the Tribunes
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: went on tour in the South again. This time they
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: went to Orangeburg, South Carolina. They went to Atlanta, Biloxi, Mississippi,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: New Orleans, and the Tuskegee Institute in Alabama. And writer
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Rick Roberts wrote a feature on Aura in the Atlanta
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Daily World, and he said this Miss Washington, unlike most females,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: affects the burden of national prominence with dignity and grace.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: She is wholly unaffected, has a most obliging and pleasing personality,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: and is a favorite of all her associates. So that
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: was a pretty glowing albeit you know, a lot of
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: outdated terminology UT data terminology, and clearly focused a lot,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: very heavily on her personality, which doesn't I mean I
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: mean as part of a person, of course, but not
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: sure what how how this is relevant to like her
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: prowess and her sports playing. But yeah, she and she
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: also didn't get her feedback about women in general and
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: sports and about Aura wasn't always so ingratiating because it
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: was like women were kind of expected to still be
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: more dainty, to still be more you know, refined around
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: the edges. Yes, and she didn't always fit that mold
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: for everyone, but doesn't matter. She was winning, and they
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: won a bunch of consecutive championship titles. And back on
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the tennis side in nineteen thirty nine, because she was
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: going back and forth between the two in a single year.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: In nineteen thirty nine, she came out of retirement just
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: to play Flora Lomax, who was new, like hot on
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the scene. She was the ATA national champion. And Aura
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: said this in a Baltimore Afro American interview. She said, quote,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: certain people said certain things last year. They said Aura
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: was not so good anymore. I had not planned to
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: enter singles this year, but I just had to go
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: up to Buffalo to prove somebody was wrong.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And she did.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: She still on her word, and she beat Flora and
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: she was just going to take a break from singles
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: for a little bit. It seems like she kind of
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: backed away from the whole retirement plan, was like, I'm
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: going to take a break. But then she was injured
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: in a basketball game in nineteen forty one and she
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: just completely retired from tennis singles. And she had been
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: the only player to win national titles in the singles,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: doubles and mixed doubles in the same year, and back
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: to basketball she was still doing that and she was
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: still captain for the Tribunes, but she that point she
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: didn't really play on the court much. And around nineteen
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: forty two or nineteen forty three she left the Philadelphia
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Tribune Girls when it disbanded, and she did keep playing doubles,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: and nineteen forty seven is when she won her last
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: mixed doubles title in the ATA and she played with
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: George Stewart for that match, and in the she had
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: like eight singles championships, twelve consecutive doubles titles, and three
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: mixed doubles titles.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And yeah, at this point, her varied career in.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Basketball and in tennis kind of dwindles down. She in
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: the nineteen forties, bought a house in Philly with her
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: younger sister and lived with her sister and her sister's
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: husband and their brother, and she died on May twenty ninth,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one, and Philadelphia.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: She had had a long career in both of those sports.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: She had really made a name for herself, and she
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: had won the ATA doubles titles every year from nineteen
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: twenty five to nineteen thirty six. She had won the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: ATA women's singles titles every year from nineteen twenty nine
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: to nineteen thirty five, and she had gained notoriety in
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: those black circles, but she didn't get rich and she
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: didn't garner mainstream fame, which is how we were talking
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: about in the beginning, kind of like what the word
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: celebrity means. I mean, in our hindsight and our recognition
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: of her, should consider her as a person who was
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: really a pioneer in one being really skilled in tennis
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: and skilled in basketball and helping take her teams to
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: victory and being a highlight of the games, you know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: being really proficient at what she did, and also garnering
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: attention and a lot of the black press specifically, but
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: she wasn't getting the attention that some of her white
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: counterparts who were doing similar things in the white leagues were,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: So it was also in general just a very the
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: landscape was shifting a lot, because this was the early
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds, so sports for everyone was changing a lot,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: sports for women was especially changing a lot, and basketball.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: At first the women were playing competitively and by similar
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: rules that the men were playing, but at a certain
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: point women were expected to not be so quote unquote
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: rough and competitive. And you'll see in some of those
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: articles people talk about yeah, like you know, yeah, the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: team was, it was good, they won, but like they
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: were a little too rough. They weren't playing as sensitively
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: as they expected women to play at the time, where
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: it was more participatory sport than a competitive and like
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: physical sport as someone would.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Expect basketball to be today. And she did though, like.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Although at her time she got some feedback that was
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: in that vein later posthumously, she was inducted into many
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: halls of fame. In nineteen seventy six, she was inducted
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: into the Black Athletes Hall of Fame. But there is
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: a story about how and I feel like it's called
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: out because it is. It's pretty indicative and symbolic of
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: her legacy, is that at the ceremony for her being
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: inducted into the Hall of Fame, they expected her to
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: be there in nineteen seventy six, but as we said,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: she died in May of nineteen seventy one, so of
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: course she wasn't going to be there. But they didn't
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: know that. They didn't know that she had passed away already.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: They were ready to give her her commemorative items and
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: they were on stage like, hey, we have all these
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: things for you, and she didn't show.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Up to get her award.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I know, it's kind of morbidly funny, right,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Like she had died in such like there had been
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: little fanfare around her legacy around the time of her death.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: She had apparently been sick up until her time of death,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: like so in her last year, she was already getting
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: sick up until the time she died.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: And it just wasn't known.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Although you know, I do wonder about the backstory because
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: somebody had to have done some research into her to
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: know that she deserved this award. It makes me wonder
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: what the vetting process is like. But she did deserve
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: the a war because she was a pioneer in the field.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: And but yeah, that it was just that's a pretty
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: weird story.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I have so many questions.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I was like, how do you how how do you
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: not check the say there's still a lie?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I don't know.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: That seems like an obvious question.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Also wondering like, how is she going to get there
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: to the ceremony? Is anybody bringing her? Did anybody reach
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: out to her before?
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: He is, Yeah, did they send the letter be like hey,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: we're gonna honor you. No, one like looked at it,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: so they're just like, obviously she said yes.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: No answer is that? Yes?
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's an odd story. Well I can't explain it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Still, he congratulations she deserved the award.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah she did.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: And then later and she was also inducted into other
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: halls of fame. So in two thousand and nine, she
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: was inducted into the Women's Basketball Hall of In twenty eighteen,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: she was also inducted into the Nasmith Memorial Basketball Hall
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts, and historians have done more
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: work to uncover parts of her life. I know historian
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Pamela Grundy is one person who has been doing the
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: diligent work of looking up more details of what happened,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: more so her personal life. And Ora's former teammates also
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: later said that she was seen as less feminine than
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: the other players. So you can go and look at
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: pictures of Ura and pictures of her and the rest
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: of her team as well. They talked about in the
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: articles how she was five to seven and despite her
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: being five to seven, she was still really great at
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: basketball and dominated on the court. But yeah, so y'all
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: can see her as well. And her great nephew later on,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: his name is Gregory Price. He said in interviews that
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: she was gay and that she was reclusive because of it,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: so that's also part of her. But we don't really
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: have her talking about that in her own words. So
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I think there was some like homophobia in the commentary
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: surrounding her, maybe in more public forums of speculation around it,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: but there is no personal narrative. But her great great
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: nephew did comment on that. And then there is a
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: podcast called BBC Untold Legends that tells her story. It's
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: like six parts and folks can go listen to it
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and hear more of what the historians and family members
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: and teammates and like that, and people who were closer
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: to her and knew more about her had to say.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: So there definitely was a recovery of her legacy, even
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: though in nineteen seventy six people didn't even know she died,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: and the people who were honoring her didn't even know
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: she died.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: So imagine what people who had never heard of Aura.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: It's like I didn't even know about her, you know,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: didn't know anything about her at all, because the people
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: who were honoring her didn't even know that she was gone.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that's or a story.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's really interesting because I actually had heard
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: about her before, but I only I knew the tennis part.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't know about the basketball part. That's wild. And
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you know, as a lot of interviews I was reading
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: about her pointed out, it's so fascinating that, you know, today,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: athletes like Serena Williams make millions and have all these
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: products with their name on it, and meanwhile she's in
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: basketball antennas and winning all these awards and not getting
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: paid much, if at all, and then kind of just
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: being forgotten after she retired. It's a very It's interesting
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: because we're still having conversations about you know, coverage, equal
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: coverage of women's sports versus men's sports, and equal pay,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: but that it's shifted so much to like we're talking
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: in millions now or you know what I mean. It
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: was interesting to hear this story and to think about
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: all the things that have changed and all the things
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: that still haven't.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is like she didn't get sponsorships, she didn't
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: wasn't paid a lot in her salary when she did
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: get a salary when she was on the basketball team,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: which is a huge difference from how athletes, you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: are able to navigate their compensation today. So yeah, I
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: at least according to her family members that it seems
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: like she wasn't sad, is what I think what Gregory
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Price said, Like, Okay, she wasn't sad and she was
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: happy with her accomplishments, and at least according to them,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: it didn't seem like and definitely not in interviews that
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: she gave, it didn't seem like she was so feeling
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: so dejected about not having got those things at the time.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, But I mean, so many awards It's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: amazing what she did accomplish. So thank you as always
• 38:10
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• 38:15
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• 38:17
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• 38:22
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