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TMP320 MARGO MANNING FORGES AHEAD · Troubled Men Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker A: Foreign listeners, welcome back to the Troubled Men podcast. I am Renee Coleman, sitting once again in the heart of the Clempire, Snake and Jake's Christmas Club Lounge with my co host, the original troubled man for troubled times and future mayor of New Orleans, Mr. Manny Chevrolet. Welcome, Manny.
• 0:33
  Speaker B: Hey, man. What is going on?
• 0:36
  Speaker A: Oh, not too much. It's Tiki Tuesday once again here in. In Snake and Jake's. And they had a crowd even when I came in.
• 0:44
  Speaker B: I don't know if they bring like. What's that? Like that Hawaiian dish, poi?
• 0:49
  Speaker A: I've seen any of that? No, Poi?
• 0:51
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, Sometimes I remember when I was in Hawaii once. Yeah.
• 0:54
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 0:54
  Speaker B: This waiter brought me a plate of poi. I said, what is this? Mar. Blue Retin. It's crazy.
• 0:59
  Speaker A: Okay. That's a stretch. I. I knew what you meant before. Yeah, that was an obscure reference.
• 1:05
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:06
  Speaker A: So we had our patron, the great brother Dave Clements in here, so. Well, you saw him as.
• 1:12
  Speaker B: He was gone.
• 1:13
  Speaker A: I think he's. He's. He's departed here apparently has a bit of a. Carrying a bit of a torch for our guests. That's lovely to see. I like that. Oh, I understand.
• 1:23
  Speaker B: Really?
• 1:24
  Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. Well.
• 1:26
  Speaker B: Well, women like Dave. Chicks dig Dave, man, just like they dig me.
• 1:30
  Speaker A: Are you sure?
• 1:31
  Speaker B: It's a fact. I told you this before.
• 1:35
  Speaker A: Verifiable fact. No, I'm not arguing with you.
• 1:40
  Speaker B: So don't get any ideas, lady. All right? So I've been in love with the same woman now for 20 years. If my wife finds out, I'm a dead man.
• 1:55
  Speaker A: I just couldn't move these a little bit farther away so you got some room to run with that microphone.
• 2:00
  Speaker B: But, yeah. So he's gone. We're here at the Clamp, Right, Right. Slowly destroying itself.
• 2:07
  Speaker A: Sure. Crumbling down, collapsing in the specific gravity. Pulling. Pulling every down.
• 2:13
  Speaker B: Buildings are just falling down in this town. Did you hear that? So today, some building on Magazine street just collapsed.
• 2:21
  Speaker A: Right.
• 2:21
  Speaker B: It wasn't even imploded or anything. It just decided, I've had enough on its.
• 2:25
  Speaker A: On its own.
• 2:26
  Speaker B: Just wanted to drop dead. Right. There's a lot of people say that buildings, you know, have their lives. They have their own lives. People live in a house. Someone moves into a certain soul to them. Yeah. You know, I don't buy any of that, but some people say that. Right, right, right. Anyway, so, yeah, building collapse. People are collapsing.
• 2:48
  Speaker A: Right, Right. The heat, it's. It's oppressive.
• 2:51
  Speaker B: It's horrible.
• 2:52
  Speaker A: Now they started having some Merrill Forums. Have you been to any of those? Did they did. They have the.
• 2:57
  Speaker B: Was not. I have not. I missed one because of a funeral that I had to attend.
• 3:03
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 3:03
  Speaker B: I could not attend that one.
• 3:05
  Speaker A: Oh, right, yes. I was at that funeral. That's right.
• 3:07
  Speaker B: And there was one today that I was not invited to because it was only the top four polling. The top four people with money.
• 3:17
  Speaker A: Right, right.
• 3:17
  Speaker B: Were invited to this one at uno.
• 3:19
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 3:20
  Speaker B: No, I have not. I've answered lots of questions from organizations that send me questions that they want me to answer. League of Women Voters, sort of League of Women Boaters. And today I got one from Tree People of New Orleans.
• 3:40
  Speaker A: Really?
• 3:41
  Speaker B: Yeah. Very strange. I haven't looked at it yet. I just saw the email. They want me to know how I feel about trees.
• 3:47
  Speaker A: Okay, well, that's a. That's a. Of all the organizations that you could have, that's one I could get behind, because trees are neglected. Here we have a beautiful canopy of live oak trees.
• 3:58
  Speaker B: Green space.
• 3:59
  Speaker A: Green space. Yes, yes, yes.
• 4:02
  Speaker B: So I have to catch up on a lot. I've been very busy. School's about to start next week.
• 4:07
  Speaker A: Right.
• 4:07
  Speaker B: So I'm getting very busy. After. After rush, I'll think I'll be able to focus more on my campaign. Right now, I'm just answering questions via the. The Internet.
• 4:17
  Speaker A: Right.
• 4:18
  Speaker B: I did get a phone call just about an hour ago from some guy. He said first. He called me first. He said, is this Corey? And I said, no, this is not Cory. He goes, oh, is this Mr. Chevrolet? And I said, yes.
• 4:32
  Speaker A: Wow.
• 4:33
  Speaker B: I said, yes, this is. He goes, I'm so and so. I forget his name and I forget the organ. I'm so and so, oh, from some kind of urban organization. And he goes, could I just take 60 seconds of your time? I said, well, how about 36? He's asking a lot, right?
• 4:50
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 4:50
  Speaker B: You know, so he said, these are just four simple yes or no questions. And I answered all of them yes. Because if I answered no, then he's gonna think, you know, I'm an. It's like, you know, are you against corruption? Yes. If I would have said no.
• 5:09
  Speaker A: Bald position to take.
• 5:12
  Speaker B: Mr. Shovel, are you. You know. You know. And then he said, will you, when you become mayor, you know, something about, like, will you follow the rule of law that the city charter says? It's like, well, yes.
• 5:27
  Speaker A: As opposed to our present mayor?
• 5:29
  Speaker B: Well, yeah, present mayor.
• 5:30
  Speaker A: You know who I mentioned to you when I was at the funeral that I heard some scuttlebutt that there was supposed to be indictments coming down that day. Now since by the end of that day, I heard that. No, they're actually holding them. So by the. But by the time this show comes out, the indictments should have already have been fallen.
• 5:50
  Speaker B: Also to happen, I think today was our sheriff, who should be spending time in jail, has appealed on some.
• 5:59
  Speaker A: Her conviction for contempt of court.
• 6:01
  Speaker B: Yes, exactly. Well, she appealed that. She had 90 days.
• 6:04
  Speaker A: Susan Hudson.
• 6:05
  Speaker B: Yes. Our sheriff.
• 6:06
  Speaker A: Right.
• 6:07
  Speaker B: And our mayor and Cantrell. So. But she appealed it, so that gives her more time. So she'll probably not. She'll do community service. You know, she'll have to.
• 6:17
  Speaker A: Right.
• 6:18
  Speaker B: She'll have to watch the jail.
• 6:19
  Speaker A: Well, yeah, right.
• 6:21
  Speaker B: That'll be your community.
• 6:21
  Speaker A: Clean it up. Yeah.
• 6:22
  Speaker B: You know, clean the toilets at the jail.
• 6:24
  Speaker A: Well, you know, I saw that former acting police chief, I believe, Michelle Woodfork.
• 6:30
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 6:31
  Speaker A: Is running against Susan Hudson for sheriff. And I think she would be a much better sheriff as I. Well, I'm throwing my support behind.
• 6:40
  Speaker B: They'll be. They're always good. That first year.
• 6:42
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 6:43
  Speaker B: That first term, you know, but then they all go crooked.
• 6:46
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 6:47
  Speaker B: Especially in this town.
• 6:49
  Speaker A: Well, I may as may as well.
• 6:50
  Speaker B: Give you supporting Witfork.
• 6:53
  Speaker A: Woodfork. Yes.
• 6:54
  Speaker B: So you would put a sticker on your car for her.
• 6:57
  Speaker A: Not on my car, but because, you know, anything on your car, I always feel like it's. It's inviting other police scrutiny. You know, somebody else said is maybe a Hudson. Hudson.
• 7:06
  Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:06
  Speaker B: He can pull you over.
• 7:07
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Or some other civil sheriffs.
• 7:10
  Speaker B: But you would put her a yard card in your yard.
• 7:12
  Speaker A: Put a yard card in my yard? Maybe. I don't know.
• 7:15
  Speaker B: Really.
• 7:16
  Speaker A: I don't know. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.
• 7:17
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 7:18
  Speaker A: Out over my skis here now.
• 7:20
  Speaker B: Would you, during a gig, you know, tell the audience to vote for her?
• 7:24
  Speaker A: No, no. I keep politics off the bandstand.
• 7:26
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 7:27
  Speaker A: It's always a good policy.
• 7:28
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 7:28
  Speaker A: Well, speaking of the bandstand, I played a gig over at Chicky Wawa with Loose Cattle, and we were playing with another band on our same record label out of Muscle Shoals, Billy Allen and the Pollys. And they were great. Terrific band. Terrific lineup there. But during the gig. So my band played and then this other band played and I was hanging out. My wife was there.
• 7:51
  Speaker B: It's your band. I thought you worked for that band.
• 7:53
  Speaker A: Well, when I say my band, it's like saying my school, I don't own the school. It's a school that I go to or my family, that I belong. People say that all the time. It's like I don't say, like, saying that my band, it's like, you know, my team, like the Raiders.
• 8:07
  Speaker B: You told me, you told me months ago that you worked for that band. Well, I mean, you're an employee for that.
• 8:14
  Speaker A: Well, I am. I'm not a. I'm not a. I didn't hire anybody for that band. I was hired for that.
• 8:19
  Speaker B: Right, so you're a hired gun for that.
• 8:21
  Speaker A: Yeah, in a sense. But, you know. But they've had me for a long time. They're not using anybody else.
• 8:26
  Speaker B: What do you mean by they?
• 8:28
  Speaker A: Well, the. The people that hired me in the band.
• 8:30
  Speaker B: Who was they?
• 8:31
  Speaker A: He, she, LGBQ Y5 Michael Cerveris and Kim K. Both guests on the show. And they started the band over 10 years ago. They had to start the band in New York, and then they moved down here, you know, separately and kind of reconstituted the band, have a New Orleans version of the band. So anyway, that's my band. One of my bands. I play in one of the. The bands I play. And so we played. And then I'm hanging out afterwards, I go over to. To get a drink. And I still had drink tickets, so, you know, I don't have to pay for a drink, but I want to tip the girl out, tip the bartender out. So I get change for 20, you know, get some ones out of it. And I must have just taken the rest of the money in my pocket and left it sitting on the bar. And I got my change, tipped her out, and then put the. The rest of that change from the 20 in my pocket and walked away. Well, about five minutes later, I'm searching my pockets, like, what did I do with the rest of my money now?
• 9:28
  Speaker B: This is the money that they paid you?
• 9:29
  Speaker A: No, I hadn't been paid anything. Money I had from. From home. It's like $150 I had in my pocket.
• 9:35
  Speaker B: Why are you carrying $150 in cash?
• 9:37
  Speaker A: I like to carry that, you know.
• 9:39
  Speaker B: You meeting your man or something?
• 9:40
  Speaker A: I could be. You know, it's like you like to be prepared for any. Any scenario.
• 9:44
  Speaker B: I don't know. I carry five bucks. That's it?
• 9:46
  Speaker A: Yeah. No, I gotta. I gotta.
• 9:47
  Speaker B: 150. How much do you carry in your pocket?
• 9:51
  Speaker A: 30. You gotta talk at the moment?
• 9:52
  Speaker C: 30.
• 9:53
  Speaker A: 30. Okay, about 30.
• 9:54
  Speaker C: All right.
• 9:55
  Speaker B: He's a big shot.
• 9:56
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 9:58
  Speaker B: So what happened to your 150?
• 9:59
  Speaker A: So I'm going, geez, did I drop it on the floor or something? So I walk over to the bar and I say, hey, did I leave a Big stack of cash here. And the woman goes. She turns back around, pulls out the cash from under, like a glass that she'd had sitting on. She goes, here you go. Handed it right back to me, man. This girl, Sarah. I don't know what her last name is. Sarah Bartender. Chicky Wawa. She's a saint, man. That's.
• 10:25
  Speaker B: So did you tip her?
• 10:27
  Speaker A: I. Yes, I had already tipped her and I tipped her. Well, I tipped her a little.
• 10:31
  Speaker B: Why don't you give her like 50 of that 150?
• 10:33
  Speaker A: I didn't think that that was necessary. She was an honest person.
• 10:36
  Speaker B: He's a cheap.
• 10:37
  Speaker A: Oh, no, he's a.
• 10:38
  Speaker B: He carries lots of cash, but he won't spend it.
• 10:40
  Speaker A: I spent it now anyway. Shout out to.
• 10:43
  Speaker B: With string tickets. Yeah, I spent more.
• 10:46
  Speaker A: More. I. I bought more drinks after the.
• 10:48
  Speaker B: Oh, so you got up that night?
• 10:50
  Speaker A: You know, I got a little.
• 10:51
  Speaker B: How many drinks did you get a little banged up?
• 10:53
  Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. A few.
• 10:55
  Speaker B: So you went there with 150 and you came home with 140, right?
• 10:59
  Speaker A: Yeah. No, but I spent a little bit more than that and I. I gave the girl $10 or something for just having been honest.
• 11:04
  Speaker B: What a cheap. But.
• 11:05
  Speaker A: Oh, come on, man.
• 11:07
  Speaker B: 10. He saves him 150. This chick does a good cheap.
• 11:10
  Speaker A: She was. She was doing a ch. Because she was a good person. Not because she was thinking, looking to. To make money if she, you know, somewhere else.
• 11:17
  Speaker B: How do you know she's a good person?
• 11:19
  Speaker A: Well, because.
• 11:19
  Speaker B: Because maybe if you never would have come back to the bar, she would have just pocketed it.
• 11:24
  Speaker A: The way she. She didn't even know it was mine. She just saw somebody had left this money on the bar and figured, well, here, I'll stick it on the.
• 11:30
  Speaker B: You've used this before, this scam, right?
• 11:32
  Speaker A: I don't know, man.
• 11:33
  Speaker B: You know. Hey, I gave you a 50. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. You only gave me change for. You're like that paper moon scammer. The paper moon scammers, aren't you?
• 11:43
  Speaker A: That's a good one, though. That is a good one. Anyway, moving on. What do you. What do you have there?
• 11:50
  Speaker B: I got a lot.
• 11:51
  Speaker A: Okay, let's get to it.
• 11:54
  Speaker B: I'd rather talk about that.
• 11:55
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah, sure.
• 11:56
  Speaker B: You know, well, you know, speaking of, you know, we were at a funeral. Yes, and you split early because you didn't want to go into the church, you being the Jew that you are.
• 12:07
  Speaker A: Oh, no, my wife went.
• 12:08
  Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I saw her. She was like she looked like she had a face of fear the whole time. But anyway, I. I had to sit up front and I kept looking back and she kept ducking the holy water. So it was crazy going.
• 12:22
  Speaker A: Sure. We don't like to kneel.
• 12:23
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, well, you do for certain.
• 12:25
  Speaker A: Things, you know, when the time is right.
• 12:28
  Speaker B: Yeah, anyway. But other person died. Flaco Jimenez.
• 12:31
  Speaker A: Yes, I have him. Yes. I didn't know you were even aware of Flaco Jimenez.
• 12:35
  Speaker B: But I've been a.
• 12:36
  Speaker A: You've been a fan of Flaco for a long time. Okay.
• 12:39
  Speaker B: Mexican dude.
• 12:40
  Speaker A: I know, I know.
• 12:41
  Speaker B: You think I don't know who Flock.
• 12:42
  Speaker A: Okay, well, shout out.
• 12:43
  Speaker B: My grandmother played the accordion.
• 12:45
  Speaker A: That's true, that's true.
• 12:46
  Speaker B: Right, okay, listen.
• 12:49
  Speaker A: All right, all right.
• 12:49
  Speaker B: How many years we've been doing this show? Well, we've.
• 12:52
  Speaker A: Too many years. Never heard you talk about Flacco. Him.
• 12:54
  Speaker B: Yeah, we talked about it when you had. We had that guest from Texas. I forget his name.
• 12:59
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 13:00
  Speaker B: He told us a great Flacco story. Story that the Rolling Stones wanted to use Flaco and they called him up and so he got a hold of Flocko and says, hey, the Stones want you to go on a song with them on their new record. And Flaco said, who are the Stones? That's what he said.
• 13:21
  Speaker A: That sounds a little far fetched.
• 13:22
  Speaker B: No, it was. What's this game that Cece Adcock, or it was either Cece or who's the guy? Jesse Dayton, who is the guy who was in the remake of Roadhouse?
• 13:33
  Speaker A: That's Cece Adcock.
• 13:35
  Speaker B: Yeah, I think ccr that could be.
• 13:37
  Speaker A: Now I have a good Flaco story and we were standing right there when this happened, is Flaco is checking into a hotel room. We're going to go hang out with him. And they're saying, well, we don't have any smoking rooms left. And the person checking in is going, oh, Flaco, they don't have any smoking rooms. And Flaco goes, it's okay, man, we'll smoke anyway. It's not a problem. It's before they find you. $250. Like, ah, I don't know. Who cares, man? It'll be a smoking room by the time we leave anyway. So, yeah, shout out one of the greats, man. Man, oh, man, talk about end of an era when you're losing guys like that.
• 14:15
  Speaker B: Yeah, well, everyone's dying. Yes, people die.
• 14:18
  Speaker A: Yes, they do.
• 14:19
  Speaker B: Anyway, that's going on also. I don't know if you heard this story. This is a crazy story. In South Africa, you Know, they're still. With even apartheid gone and all that stuff, there's still a lot of racism there, especially out in the countryside.
• 14:34
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 14:35
  Speaker B: Just like here.
• 14:37
  Speaker A: That's a part of the human condition. Yes.
• 14:39
  Speaker B: You know, like here, down south here, you know, you go out in the country and it's scary as man. That's why you got to stay in the sanctuary cities.
• 14:49
  Speaker A: Right.
• 14:49
  Speaker B: But apparently, these two black women who were starving, because out there, people are starving, wandered onto this farm, and this white farmer, they tried to eat some of his crops, so he killed them. And then he told one of his white and black farmhands to take the bodies and feed them to the pigs. So that's what they did. So these pigs ate these two black women. And now the farmer got arrested. He's in jail. He's facing. You know, I think. I think it's like five years there for them in South Africa.
• 15:32
  Speaker A: Oh, this is. I was saying. I was thinking. I thought you were talking about. This was somewhere around here. I'm going. I don't remember here. Right, right, right, right. Then you shifted. Okay, okay.
• 15:41
  Speaker B: You know.
• 15:42
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 15:42
  Speaker B: But now the farm workers are making a plea deal with the attorneys, you know, to get a lighter sentence. But I didn't know pigs ate humans.
• 15:53
  Speaker A: Oh, pigs will eat anything. Pigs lead each other. Yeah, yeah.
• 15:56
  Speaker B: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 15:57
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I didn't know.
• 15:59
  Speaker B: But anyway, that's. That was on my radar.
• 16:02
  Speaker A: Okay. I had. Did not hear about that one, man. But, boy, digging deep on that. Well, I have something on a lighter note. You know, like, a lot of times in the world today, these companies, they ask you to do more and more jobs. They used to do, like, you go to the grocery store and they have the Self checkout or, you know, Lowe's. You got to check yourself out, or you go to the airport, you have to tag your own luggage, deal with all that. Well, recently, you know, you know, I get the yogurt that, you know, it has fruit in it.
• 16:40
  Speaker B: Fruit at the bottom.
• 16:41
  Speaker A: Fruit at the bottom. That's my. That's my gripe. It's like, then. Then I discovered, oh, there's this one type that's of the same brand, and it's blended, and it's like, I open it up, it's like, I like this. This is already done for me. So I was like, well, if you're gonna blend one flavor, like the mixed berry flavor, why can't you just blend all of it? What's the big advantage of having that fruit separated? I don't know. Is it just me?
• 17:06
  Speaker B: I guess it is just you. I have no idea. Why don't you do what we do? What do you do? You buy some plain yogurt and you buy some fresh fruit. You chop it all up and you mix it up.
• 17:15
  Speaker A: No, that's even more work. No, no, I want it all blended in together. It's like a nice easy.
• 17:20
  Speaker B: So you want it processed already?
• 17:22
  Speaker A: Yes, exactly.
• 17:23
  Speaker B: All right. Know. Yeah, I guess it's just.
• 17:26
  Speaker A: You may just maybe just me.
• 17:29
  Speaker B: I kind of like the fruit at the bottom. It was kind of like a surprise.
• 17:32
  Speaker A: Well, but it's, you know what kind of what the fruit's going to be.
• 17:35
  Speaker B: I know, but what's wrong with vanilla? Yeah, what's wrong with.
• 17:38
  Speaker A: I like something a little. Little more spicy. You know, coconut. Spice it up.
• 17:42
  Speaker B: No, like the raspberry tahin flavored yogurt. Is that what you want? You want. You pour crystals in your yogurt?
• 17:49
  Speaker A: Yeah. You know, you know, they know if they had some crystals already blended in, I might go for that.
• 17:55
  Speaker B: I mean, it's not that hard to do this. No, it really isn't that hard.
• 17:58
  Speaker A: I get it. I get it. I just. I'd rather have it done for me is my point.
• 18:02
  Speaker B: All right. So you don't go to the self checkout at the market either.
• 18:07
  Speaker A: Well, I'll go to the cell. Well, if you go to like Lowe's hardware store, they practically don't have it. You have to go to the self checkout because I don't. They don't have anybody.
• 18:15
  Speaker B: Yeah. What I like to do when I go to those places. Places is I just scream stupidity. I go, hey, it's not scanning. It's not scanning. Somebody help me. Somebody help me. And you always get someone to help you.
• 18:28
  Speaker A: Sure, sure, you can do.
• 18:29
  Speaker B: They don't want a scene.
• 18:30
  Speaker A: Right.
• 18:31
  Speaker B: They don't want bad publicity. These, these chain restaurants and chain department stores.
• 18:37
  Speaker A: Right.
• 18:37
  Speaker B: You know, chain gangs. They don't want any of that, man.
• 18:40
  Speaker A: Back on the chain gang.
• 18:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker A: Well, you have something else there.
• 18:45
  Speaker B: Let me see. It's hard to read my notes sometimes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, this is just short but sweet. You know, we're getting older and. Do you have a bucket list?
• 19:00
  Speaker A: I barely have a bucket.
• 19:01
  Speaker B: Okay, so you don't have a bucket list. But people have bucket lists. You know, they're getting older because we just went to a funeral on Friday. Friday. And I don't know if this woman, you know, had a. Did everything she wanted to do on her bucket list.
• 19:14
  Speaker A: Well, she Lived to an extended age, so hopefully she did.
• 19:17
  Speaker B: Yeah. You remember, like, were you there and you kept wiping my lapel?
• 19:21
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 19:21
  Speaker B: Well, I figured out so many women were hugging me and they were all.
• 19:25
  Speaker A: Caked and make rubbing their makeup on your jacket?
• 19:28
  Speaker B: Yeah, my jacket.
• 19:29
  Speaker A: I had to.
• 19:29
  Speaker B: Kept going into the men's room and wiping my jacket because these old people with the makeup and even the young people with the makeup.
• 19:38
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 19:38
  Speaker B: You know, so after like about an hour of that, you know, I was.
• 19:44
  Speaker A: Just like, hey, just shake hands, just be friends. Right.
• 19:48
  Speaker B: I don't need to talk to you.
• 19:50
  Speaker A: Right.
• 19:50
  Speaker B: And you know, I was doing that, like, I always. I hate, you know, I don't go to funerals, but I had to go to this one, you know, I wouldn't go to yours, probably. And I won't go to his.
• 20:00
  Speaker A: Oh, please don't.
• 20:01
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker A: What makes you think you're going to outlive either one of us?
• 20:05
  Speaker B: Because of my genes.
• 20:07
  Speaker A: Oh, okay.
• 20:08
  Speaker B: My grandparents on my mom's side both lived into their hundreds.
• 20:11
  Speaker A: Okay. As did mine.
• 20:13
  Speaker B: Yeah. You know.
• 20:14
  Speaker A: Well, one of them did.
• 20:15
  Speaker B: Yeah. So you want to bet? I'll make a bear friendly wager. I'll live longer than you.
• 20:20
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 20:20
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 20:21
  Speaker A: Say 100 bucks.
• 20:22
  Speaker B: No, you're not gonna pay 100 bucks.
• 20:25
  Speaker A: Of course I would.
• 20:26
  Speaker B: No, you would.
• 20:27
  Speaker A: I'm a very honest person. I always pay my debts.
• 20:29
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker A: All right.
• 20:30
  Speaker B: Well, anyway, go ahead, introduce the guest.
• 20:34
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 20:35
  Speaker B: I was just gonna say that a bucket list is stupid. I have a fuck it list.
• 20:40
  Speaker A: Fuck it list. There you go.
• 20:41
  Speaker B: You know, Fuck it, man. Hey, man, you should do this. No, I shouldn't. Fuck it, you know.
• 20:47
  Speaker A: Okay. I like it. I like it. Well, you know when I was asking you before about the mayor's forum that you didn't get to go to, because I was gonna ask you if you had gotten a chance to speak to Frank Scurlock and, And see if he wanted to come on the show, because I figured.
• 21:03
  Speaker B: No. No, I didn't. I don't. Okay. That guy, okay, you want him to jizz all over this table and stuff like that.
• 21:09
  Speaker A: I don't know what he's gonna do.
• 21:10
  Speaker B: Well, you know, that's what he gets busted for. He's a public masturbator. Don't vote for school.
• 21:16
  Speaker A: He was in private. He was in the back of a cab. Now, well, semi private.
• 21:20
  Speaker C: He's running for mayor.
• 21:21
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker A: Yes, yes.
• 21:22
  Speaker B: And his whole. His whole thing is platform is business. He's all business.
• 21:26
  Speaker A: Well, you know, I. I checked him out. I looked at his instagram page. And he's always, he's always like in a T shirt. It's like, well, if you're in the business, maybe you should put a suit and tie on. I don't know.
• 21:37
  Speaker B: Well, maybe he's in the blue collar business, you know, maybe he's not a white collar guy.
• 21:43
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 21:45
  Speaker B: I don't know. Who knows?
• 21:46
  Speaker A: Who knows? All right, well, let's get to our guest here. So I've known our guest for a long time. Our kids went to school together. She's an award winning jewelry and metalwork designer. She's shown her work all over many New Orleans galleries, including the Sullivan Gallery, Rhino Gallery, Lemieux Gallery, Contemporary Art Center, New Orleans Museum of Art. She's been showing her work at the contemporary craft tents at the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Fair for, like, since the 80s. Also is sold her work at many American Craft Council fairs around the country. She's had tons of solo and group exhibitions of her jewelry and metalwork in New Orleans and beyond. Also an instructor in jewelry and metal design at Delgado College, University of New Orleans, Newcomb Art Gallery. Also the mother of triplets. We're going to get into all that and more. But without further ado, the great Ms. Margo Manning. Welcome, Margo.
• 22:47
  Speaker C: Thank you, Renee. Thank you, Manny. Thank you.
• 22:51
  Speaker A: Absolutely great to have you here. And you know, when we, we came in tonight, you and I arrived about the same time and Dave Clements was saying, well, who's your guest? And I said, oh, Margot Manning as Margo. How did you get roped into this? Was his question to you. And you said, what?
• 23:11
  Speaker B: Well, she had nothing better to do.
• 23:13
  Speaker C: You texted me and asked me.
• 23:15
  Speaker A: I reached out.
• 23:16
  Speaker B: Yeah, there you go.
• 23:17
  Speaker C: And I think I had venmoed you money.
• 23:21
  Speaker A: Yes. You're a listener to the show. You're a long time listener, total fan.
• 23:24
  Speaker C: Of troubled men podcast.
• 23:26
  Speaker B: Nice, nice.
• 23:27
  Speaker A: One of the few ladies listening to the show.
• 23:29
  Speaker C: Yeah. And it was interesting. I was on a bus from Santander to Madrid and I was listening to the podcast and it just so happened to be the podcast where you said, our drinks tonight are paid for by Margot Manning. And I'm like, what?
• 23:51
  Speaker A: Didn't expect to hear your name right there.
• 23:53
  Speaker C: It was kind of weird. And then you said, well, maybe we'll get her on the show. And I'm like, oh, no.
• 23:58
  Speaker A: Okay. So you had a little bit of a heads up.
• 24:01
  Speaker C: I didn't think you were really serious. But then I got the text and here I am.
• 24:06
  Speaker A: That's right. That's right. Dreams come true. Marco.
• 24:08
  Speaker C: Oh, yes, definitely.
• 24:09
  Speaker A: Well. Well, I know a lot about your life here in New Orleans. Let's go back a little bit. You're not from New Orleans.
• 24:15
  Speaker C: No, I'm from North Carolina.
• 24:17
  Speaker A: Okay. Now, you don't have a thick North Carolina accent. Did you used to or did your family. Were they educated people at.
• 24:25
  Speaker C: I don't know. I think. I think I go back there and I fall into it immediately just by conversing with, you know, relatives. And where.
• 24:35
  Speaker B: Where?
• 24:36
  Speaker C: North Carolina again, The Northeastern. Northeastern part.
• 24:40
  Speaker B: So what city is that?
• 24:42
  Speaker C: It's no city. It's a small town near the coast, near the northern. Northern border.
• 24:48
  Speaker B: So it's like a cabin in the woods or something? Or a tent?
• 24:52
  Speaker C: No, it's. No, it's a small town near the Outer Banks.
• 24:56
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 24:57
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker A: Cape Hatteras, that area.
• 24:58
  Speaker C: Nag's Head.
• 24:59
  Speaker A: Nag's Head. It's beautiful up there.
• 25:01
  Speaker C: Yeah, I love it.
• 25:01
  Speaker A: I have a lot of family just from south of there, like Moorhead City and all, and. Yeah, so. So you grew up there, Have a mom and dad, Siblings?
• 25:10
  Speaker C: Yeah, one brother, and both my parents are deceased, and my brother's also deceased, so. But I have lots of cousins and an aunt and an uncle still living there, and I love going back.
• 25:21
  Speaker A: Okay, well, were your family like farm people or both?
• 25:26
  Speaker C: My. My father worked at a factory. He was an electrician.
• 25:31
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 25:31
  Speaker C: And my. He also owned land, and he did that in his spare time. He took care of the land.
• 25:38
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 25:39
  Speaker B: Would you grew things on land?
• 25:40
  Speaker C: Yeah, he did.
• 25:41
  Speaker B: Like what, Tobacco?
• 25:43
  Speaker C: Yeah, for a while. Tobacco, soybeans, corn, wheat.
• 25:47
  Speaker B: Were you a smoker at a young age? I was really like eight. Because that's when I first took my first drag.
• 25:56
  Speaker C: More like 15.
• 25:57
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And then you got the good stuff right out there on the field.
• 26:01
  Speaker C: I don't know. I. I smoked till I was about 27, and then I quit.
• 26:07
  Speaker B: Really? Okay.
• 26:10
  Speaker A: Now they. The cigarettes are very cheap in North Carolina. They really encourage people to. To partake.
• 26:16
  Speaker C: I. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of.
• 26:19
  Speaker B: I remember driving through North Carolina when I was a smoker and went to a restaurant and the smoking section was bigger than the non smoking section.
• 26:27
  Speaker C: Really?
• 26:27
  Speaker B: Yeah, I loved it.
• 26:29
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 26:30
  Speaker B: Use my dinner plate as an ashtray. Right. So you quit because of health reasons? You just said, this is like, no good.
• 26:38
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 26:39
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker C: I was totally addicted to it.
• 26:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker C: First thing I did when I woke up in the morning was smoke.
• 26:45
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's how me and Manny were.
• 26:48
  Speaker B: Cup of coffee, cigarette, beer, shot.
• 26:53
  Speaker A: Yeah. These people that say sniff well, another shot. I can only tie of the arm. I can just have a cigarette or two when I'm having a drink. I never understood those people. People. It's like if I have one cigarette tonight. I haven't smoked a cigarette in over. In 20 years. If I smoke one tonight, I'll be buying a pack tomorrow. Anyway, you're going through school. It's a one room schoolhouse kind of situation or.
• 27:20
  Speaker C: Oh, no, no.
• 27:21
  Speaker A: It was bigger.
• 27:22
  Speaker C: It was normal.
• 27:23
  Speaker B: Just like a Little House on the Prairie or something.
• 27:25
  Speaker A: Okay. Oh, you said it was not even a town or not.
• 27:28
  Speaker C: No, it's a town. It's a town. It was another.
• 27:30
  Speaker B: Did they have a street light, a traffic light in the street?
• 27:33
  Speaker C: Oh, several. Yes.
• 27:34
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 27:35
  Speaker C: When I was growing up there, it was a town of about 7, 000 people.
• 27:41
  Speaker B: Oh, it's not.
• 27:43
  Speaker C: It's not a, you know, little house on the floor.
• 27:45
  Speaker B: So you're not sleeping with your cousin. You know other people, Right? That's cool.
• 27:49
  Speaker A: Not by necessity. Yeah, exactly. Well, do you have an early artistic flair? Are you good at drawing? Are you a lot of time doing that?
• 28:00
  Speaker C: I was really interested in it, but there was nothing. There was no opportunities. No opportunities in my town. So when I went to college, I kind of discovered that.
• 28:11
  Speaker A: Now, did you even have like an art class or an art teacher and. Really? No, completely.
• 28:17
  Speaker C: It was just all in my mind.
• 28:18
  Speaker B: Did you have pencil and paper at home to draw things?
• 28:21
  Speaker C: Yes, crayons, paper.
• 28:22
  Speaker B: Okay. As a kid. Yeah, everyone draws as a kid and stuff. Like that summer.
• 28:27
  Speaker A: You had a talent for it.
• 28:29
  Speaker C: I had a desire for it.
• 28:31
  Speaker A: There you go.
• 28:31
  Speaker B: But you didn't do it because you were too strung out on nicotine, Right? Is that it? And where did you go to college?
• 28:38
  Speaker C: I went to East Carolina University.
• 28:40
  Speaker B: The home of what, Pirates? I have no idea. You went there?
• 28:45
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 28:45
  Speaker C: Pirates. Okay, Well, I was.
• 28:47
  Speaker B: The Pirates.
• 28:48
  Speaker C: Yes, the Pirates.
• 28:50
  Speaker A: Now, did they have a good. Now, I know you got like a Bachelor of Fine Arts. And from. From the. From that school, they have a good art program.
• 28:58
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah, it was great.
• 28:59
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 28:59
  Speaker C: It was really great.
• 29:00
  Speaker B: Now, who was a good influence at this college? I mean, there has to. You know, everyone goes through school and they have, like. There's one teacher or instructor, professor. That kind of like you just helps you and you dig them and they help you.
• 29:13
  Speaker C: You know, there were several. My medals teacher. John Satterfield was the best. And then a couple of others. A sculpture teacher, Norman. He was really great.
• 29:24
  Speaker B: Now, did he pose naked for you to sculpt? Do you ever do that. Did you ever have naked people come in and you sculpt them? No, no. Or draw them? No, no.
• 29:33
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
• 29:33
  Speaker A: Well, figure, draw, figure, draw.
• 29:35
  Speaker C: Class. Sure.
• 29:36
  Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty standard now.
• 29:38
  Speaker B: What was your grade in that class?
• 29:40
  Speaker C: I don't remember. Probably a B, maybe.
• 29:42
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 29:44
  Speaker C: It's a long time ago.
• 29:46
  Speaker A: Sure, sure.
• 29:47
  Speaker B: Now, was the guy dressed as a pirate when he posed in front of the class?
• 29:52
  Speaker C: No clothing.
• 29:53
  Speaker B: No clothing? No.
• 29:54
  Speaker C: No hat.
• 29:54
  Speaker B: Not even a hat or a beard.
• 29:56
  Speaker A: Just an eye patch.
• 29:57
  Speaker B: Just an iPad. Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker A: In the hook.
• 30:00
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 30:01
  Speaker A: The wooden leg. I don't know, just. Just, Just riffing here. Well, that's. I mean, was that sizable a school?
• 30:09
  Speaker C: Yeah, I would. When I was there, it was probably maybe 25,000.
• 30:14
  Speaker A: Oh, okay. All right. Cuz I was saying, you know, if it's like a small rural college or something, you'd be surprised to have someone that was like teaching, you know, Carolina.
• 30:23
  Speaker B: Always has a pretty good football team, if I remember.
• 30:26
  Speaker A: Huh? Okay.
• 30:27
  Speaker B: Yeah, they always have.
• 30:27
  Speaker C: I think it's bigger. The school is bigger now.
• 30:30
  Speaker A: Yeah. Okay.
• 30:32
  Speaker B: I think Reggie Smith from the Buffalo Bills went to East Carolina.
• 30:36
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 30:36
  Speaker B: An all pro defensive end who's now in the hall of fame.
• 30:39
  Speaker A: Okay. I'll have to take your word for that. Are you right away attracted to the metal work, Metal design side of things?
• 30:47
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 30:48
  Speaker A: What do you think?
• 30:49
  Speaker C: I just think I have an affinity for the metal and for the tools and I've always loved objects and fashion and jewelry and so I think I was just drawn to that.
• 31:00
  Speaker A: Okay. You know, I noticed that little boys, men particularly, have like a fascination with, well machined, like super smooth metal. Like a, like a ball bearing or something. Do you have that same.
• 31:14
  Speaker C: I was more into texture.
• 31:16
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 31:16
  Speaker C: Texture and interesting what I could do with a metal.
• 31:21
  Speaker A: Okay, you stay there. You go ahead and get a master's degree at that same school. Yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker C: Only because when I was done with my undergraduate, I was like, I don't want to stop taking classes because my momentum was such that I just wanted to keep going.
• 31:37
  Speaker A: Okay. That's probably the best thing.
• 31:39
  Speaker B: What about glassblowing? You ever get into glass?
• 31:42
  Speaker C: No, but I love, I love to watch people do it.
• 31:45
  Speaker B: That's big. Here at the local campus, they have a huge, huge.
• 31:48
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah, My next door neighbor, Gene Koss was doing yes. Yeah, he is amazing.
• 31:54
  Speaker B: I love the gloves they have to wear for glass blowing. You ever see those gloves?
• 31:57
  Speaker A: Very thick.
• 31:58
  Speaker B: Yeah, they're just.
• 31:59
  Speaker C: I can't remember.
• 32:00
  Speaker B: The left handed glove is different than the right hand.
• 32:03
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 32:04
  Speaker B: Like you need the thumb is on the other side for. So I don't know. I don't get it, but it's just kind of weird.
• 32:10
  Speaker A: Okay. It's very specialized material.
• 32:13
  Speaker B: And I asked one of the kids who, you know, because I work at the campus, was taking a glass blowing class, and I said, you ever make a bong? You know, and she said, yeah, it's.
• 32:26
  Speaker A: The first thing we do.
• 32:28
  Speaker B: They teach you how to make in the bong class? Exactly. There's nothing better than a glass of bong water, don't you think?
• 32:36
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah. You like that?
• 32:37
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker A: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
• 32:40
  Speaker B: If you run out of pot, man, the bong water, baby, that doesn't really.
• 32:44
  Speaker A: Do anything for you.
• 32:45
  Speaker B: Yeah, I think it does. It did for me.
• 32:47
  Speaker A: All right. Might be a placebo effect. Perhaps you graduate from there. How do you wind up in New Orleans?
• 32:56
  Speaker C: Well, after I graduated, I just was bartending in the town where I was going to college and having fun, but my brother lived in New Orleans. And at one point he said, well, you can always come and live with. With me. And I was thinking, okay, I. You know, I kind of had that in the back of my mind. And one day I just. I looked around and knew that I had to leave this. Leave the college town.
• 33:21
  Speaker A: Okay, so you didn't have an impulse to go to big city New York or San Francisco?
• 33:26
  Speaker C: I did, but I didn't know how to get there.
• 33:28
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker C: So I felt.
• 33:30
  Speaker B: You didn't have a map or anything?
• 33:32
  Speaker C: I knew how to get there, but I didn't know how to take myself with no money, Right.
• 33:40
  Speaker B: To a place like that, get off the bus station.
• 33:42
  Speaker C: But in my mind, I wanted to be there.
• 33:45
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Speaker C: So I went to. Came to New Orleans.
• 33:47
  Speaker A: Do you have any regrets about not.
• 33:50
  Speaker C: No, not at all.
• 33:51
  Speaker A: Okay. I'll bet you don't now, what does.
• 33:53
  Speaker B: Your brother do down here?
• 33:55
  Speaker C: My brother was an optometrist, and he's. He's no longer living.
• 34:00
  Speaker B: Yeah, she's.
• 34:01
  Speaker C: He died when he was 42.
• 34:03
  Speaker B: Oh.
• 34:04
  Speaker C: But he spent many years as an optometrist.
• 34:07
  Speaker A: Why did he come down here? Running from the law?
• 34:13
  Speaker C: I think he felt that it was a community that he could be part of.
• 34:17
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 34:19
  Speaker C: He got out of optometry school. He was married at one point, but no longer married, and he just wanted to come, and I think he felt comfortable in New Orleans.
• 34:29
  Speaker A: Right. So you got down here and you felt a similar level of comfort.
• 34:34
  Speaker C: Yeah, well, I had been to visit him several times, so I knew what it was all about. Kind of, but just. I just wanted to make the move right. I wasn't sure if it was the right thing, but I just. I just did it.
• 34:48
  Speaker A: So you get down to New Orleans, you're what, 26 something? 25?
• 34:53
  Speaker C: 28.
• 34:53
  Speaker A: 28. Okay. So what do you. What are your first moves when you get down here? Go get a bartending job.
• 34:59
  Speaker C: I. I did. I got a job at a Ruby Tuesdays in the Quarter, and that didn't. That they closed.
• 35:06
  Speaker B: And then one of the worst restaurants in the city, if you ask me.
• 35:10
  Speaker A: They had the peanut shells on the floor.
• 35:13
  Speaker C: I'm not sure.
• 35:14
  Speaker B: Ruby Tuesdays.
• 35:15
  Speaker C: But I did meet my. Meet someone there that has been. Been a friend of mine since that very first summer, my friend Renee. And we've been friends forever and ever. So that was a good thing.
• 35:28
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 35:29
  Speaker C: And then I also got a bench job working for Tom man, doing bench work, because I wanted to meet other metalsmiths and just. So that was good.
• 35:41
  Speaker B: What is bench work?
• 35:42
  Speaker C: You just kind of. You sit at the bench and you do production stuff. You do. Other artists, they tell you what to do and you just kind of do it.
• 35:54
  Speaker B: You sit on a bench.
• 35:55
  Speaker C: You sit at a bench. You sit on a. In a chair at a bench.
• 35:59
  Speaker B: You have a work table.
• 36:00
  Speaker C: Yes. And you just do repetitive kind of things.
• 36:03
  Speaker A: It's sort of like a. A sous chef for. For. For a jeweler.
• 36:07
  Speaker C: I'm like an elf kind of.
• 36:08
  Speaker B: Right, right. Okay. Right.
• 36:10
  Speaker A: Well, then that's got to be a good thing. A good training ground, I would imagine, where you're working under someone who's established, who has cool designs of their own. And you're there, you know, kind of looking over his shoulder and getting a lot of reps of, you know, working with the materials.
• 36:28
  Speaker C: It taught me a lot about production, which I didn't really know a lot about, because in art school you don't really do production. You try to make something really outrageous, but for a grade and not worrying.
• 36:41
  Speaker B: About selling, like assembly lines kind of.
• 36:43
  Speaker C: Yeah, but. But in a. Like a high integrity kind of way.
• 36:49
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 36:49
  Speaker C: So they just told me what to do. So anyway, I did that, and then I got a job working at Snug harbor, which was really great.
• 36:58
  Speaker B: Now where is that?
• 36:59
  Speaker C: That's on Frenchman Street.
• 37:01
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 37:01
  Speaker A: So back. Back when Frenchman street street had three clubs or two and a half, you know, had Snug harbor, sometimes they had the Dream palace, and maybe they had Cafe Brazil after that.
• 37:12
  Speaker C: And it was really. It was a lot of fun. And I love the music, so.
• 37:18
  Speaker A: Yeah. So you were bartending there?
• 37:19
  Speaker C: Yeah, it was bartending.
• 37:21
  Speaker A: Well, you must have seen it. Like, what years was. It was this.
• 37:24
  Speaker C: This was 87.
• 37:27
  Speaker A: Okay. You must have seen it. Amazing slew of. Of acts come through there.
• 37:33
  Speaker C: I remember seeing Harry Connick Jr. When he was just, like, in high school.
• 37:37
  Speaker A: Right, right.
• 37:38
  Speaker C: Just like he was a kid.
• 37:40
  Speaker A: Right. But I mean, giants, like, you know, Charlie Hayden coming through there and playing or.
• 37:45
  Speaker C: I don't remember that, but I just. I just remember Joanne Bracken.
• 37:51
  Speaker A: Don't remember those.
• 37:52
  Speaker B: Anyway, Boys to Men, did they play? And certainly Connick Jr.
• 38:01
  Speaker A: Astral project, all.
• 38:03
  Speaker C: Those guys, they were a favorite of mine.
• 38:05
  Speaker A: Yes, I can imagine that. So you're doing that still working at Thomas Mann?
• 38:13
  Speaker C: Kind of. I kind of weaned myself off of that, and I'm trying to develop my own ideas. I had a studio in my brother's house.
• 38:22
  Speaker A: All right.
• 38:22
  Speaker B: And are you living with your brother?
• 38:25
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 38:25
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 38:26
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker B: That's good. Saves money.
• 38:29
  Speaker A: I know. You know, looking at your. Your work nowadays, it's, you know, very. As you were saying, texture is very important. And also, you know, you have themes of weathering and decay and antiquity. And I was thinking while I was reading all this stuff, I was like, well, this is a perfect century because.
• 38:48
  Speaker C: Oh, I know.
• 38:49
  Speaker A: We're loaded with antiquity and decay.
• 38:51
  Speaker C: I get a lot of, like, visual inspiration from. From New Orleans.
• 38:56
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 38:57
  Speaker C: Just.
• 38:57
  Speaker A: Okay. So early on in your work, were you already kind of attracted to those themes?
• 39:03
  Speaker C: Yeah, I was attracted to what time can do to materials.
• 39:07
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 39:08
  Speaker C: Which is kind of, you know, relative to that.
• 39:12
  Speaker A: Right, right, right. At what point do you actually start showing your work, selling your work? How does that. Where are the first places that you're able to do that?
• 39:22
  Speaker C: The first place. The first place that was invested in me was Lemieux Gallery.
• 39:29
  Speaker A: Nice.
• 39:30
  Speaker C: And then Rhino Gallery sort of came along. The Sandra Richardson opened up Rhino Gallery.
• 39:37
  Speaker B: What year is this at?
• 39:38
  Speaker C: I want to see, say, 87.
• 39:40
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 39:41
  Speaker C: So in the 80s, 86 or 8. 87.
• 39:46
  Speaker A: And way back then, you're already like, the first time you. You show at the Jazz Fest. Contemporary crafts thing is back then, the late 80s. Right.
• 39:57
  Speaker C: 1985 was the first year.
• 39:59
  Speaker A: Now it's a huge thing nowadays that. That craft village was a. That big then. I was playing there, but I can't remember.
• 40:07
  Speaker C: It was. It was big, but not. Not competitive like it is now, because I don't always get in because it's extremely competitive. They've opened it up to a national. The national community.
• 40:20
  Speaker A: Huh.
• 40:21
  Speaker C: So people from all over, they used.
• 40:23
  Speaker A: To Just keep it of. Mostly New Orleans or regional or word of mouth.
• 40:27
  Speaker C: If people knew about it, they would apply. But now it's opened up to. To a. An application process that's nationally known.
• 40:36
  Speaker B: When you say about decay, did you see a lot of decay as a bartender?
• 40:44
  Speaker C: Of course, yes. Yes.
• 40:45
  Speaker B: Okay. Like Harry Connick Jr. That was in his pre decay.
• 40:51
  Speaker C: No, this was when he was a kid. I don't know, on the way up.
• 40:56
  Speaker B: Yeah, I don't get the appeal about him.
• 41:00
  Speaker A: Not everybody has to like everything. Yeah, well, you know, Margo, I'm loving this. You said you were. You were worried that you wouldn't have anything to talk about. Have we had had a dead moment yet?
• 41:10
  Speaker C: No, not yet.
• 41:11
  Speaker A: Okay. Well, this is a good time to take a drink. I mean, to take a break.
• 41:18
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker A: Take some more drinks.
• 41:20
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 41:20
  Speaker A: So, Manny, tell the troubled nation.
• 41:22
  Speaker B: Listen, we'll be right back. Everyone knows what to do, so get in line. We'll be right back.
• 41:29
  Speaker D: I wear my eyes parenthetically like right upon my sleeve Copper and green with filigree it's difficult to see Verdigris calden roll gris at the loo cooked up it spells L, O V Loving any language like this way of trees or the songs of Mr. Porter a potent of mercury Laced with longing like a country at war it's awful and proud A swell bunch of guys dying to please and a sweetheart crying in the window with dogs barking and fire upon the wind A swell bunch of guys dying to please A sweetheart crying in the window and dogs barking Fire upon the wind Fire upon the wind Verdigris cold in Rome Gregory at the loo cooked up it spells LV More in any language like the sway of trees and we're back.
• 43:02
  Speaker A: Back with Mr. Manny Chevrolet. I am Renee Coleman, back with our guest, Ms. Margo Manning. Now, Margo, I know that you being a longtime listener and supporter of the show, understand that this is a listener supported operation. And you know, to that end, just like you use that Venmo link to support the show, other people can do that. So we have that. That Venmo and PayPal link in the.
• 43:29
  Speaker B: There's no booze in this brilliant soda, huh? All right, go on. Sorry.
• 43:37
  Speaker A: Those links are in the show notes of every show as well as the. The Facebook page that we promote these with. Also we have links to the. Our Patreon page where we have a handful of patrons supporting us week in, week out. Also we have the Troublemen podcast T shirt link. And it's July, so it would be a good Time to place your orders for Christmas. Takes a little while, but. So don't say I didn't warn you.
• 44:07
  Speaker B: Taste this drink.
• 44:08
  Speaker A: There's nothing jump on that. Let's see. Let me see.
• 44:11
  Speaker B: Do you taste any booze in there? I don't taste any booze in there.
• 44:14
  Speaker A: Yeah, there's booze in there.
• 44:16
  Speaker B: Really?
• 44:16
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker B: All right.
• 44:18
  Speaker A: Definitely.
• 44:19
  Speaker B: Can I taste yours?
• 44:20
  Speaker A: Yes, taste mine. Okay, so I got to get these drinks straight here. It's really the whole purpose of the show.
• 44:29
  Speaker B: I guess there's something.
• 44:31
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 44:32
  Speaker B: Who's this bartender? Juan was here, man.
• 44:36
  Speaker A: Yeah, Juan is here. He's just not behind the bar.
• 44:38
  Speaker B: He's.
• 44:39
  Speaker A: Might have to call him in as our special envoy.
• 44:42
  Speaker B: Yeah, to.
• 44:43
  Speaker A: To the alcohol. Anyway, back to my spiel. What is that? Where was I?
• 44:48
  Speaker B: T shirts.
• 44:49
  Speaker A: T shirts, yes. Moving on from T shirts. Yes.
• 44:52
  Speaker B: So maybe we could get some Margot Manning bracelets that say troubled men.
• 44:58
  Speaker A: Okay, well, I might have to work on that. All right, all right.
• 45:03
  Speaker B: You're not too busy smoking?
• 45:06
  Speaker A: A little bit of a collaboration, as they say.
• 45:08
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker A: Follow us on social media, Instagram, Facebook, and rate. Review and subscribe to the podcast wherever you're listening to it. Give us five stars. Helps us a lot. Cost you nothing. Also, just throw some shows out there coming down the pike. I have a show with the great Ed Volker from the Radiators. That's on Saturday, August 30th, at Chicky Wawa. The night before that, I have a gig at Ruby's Roadhouse with Dave Easley On August 29, the Katrina anniversary, which is coming up just in a few weeks. And further down the road, Tribe Nunzio is.
• 45:45
  Speaker B: Is.
• 45:46
  Speaker A: We're hitting our stride again when we're doing a show at the broadside reunion show, September 19th. The broadside. So put those on your calendar. And that's enough of that. Back to our guest, Ms. Margo Manning. So. So you're. You start producing a lot of work. You're. You're showing at. Where would you say you were showing your Lemieux? Lemieux, yes. Yes, yes.
• 46:10
  Speaker C: And Rhino.
• 46:11
  Speaker A: Yes. I love Lemieux Gallery. Rhino has been. Been great. You were. You were involved with them for many years. Are you meeting other artists of your ilk here besides Thomas Mann?
• 46:21
  Speaker C: Oh, yes, yes. There. There's a big group of metalsmiths and jewelry. Jewelry designers in New Orleans.
• 46:29
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 46:30
  Speaker C: And I'm. I'm friends with most of the.
• 46:32
  Speaker A: Of them. Yes.
• 46:33
  Speaker B: Oh, most of them now.
• 46:35
  Speaker C: Well, I mean, the ones that I know.
• 46:36
  Speaker B: I mean, I don't know them.
• 46:37
  Speaker C: All.
• 46:38
  Speaker B: There's no hatred to any of them.
• 46:40
  Speaker A: You don't have any enemies.
• 46:42
  Speaker C: Me and Manny?
• 46:43
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 46:44
  Speaker C: No, it's not like that.
• 46:45
  Speaker A: We.
• 46:45
  Speaker C: We all support. Each.
• 46:47
  Speaker B: Support each other.
• 46:48
  Speaker C: Exactly.
• 46:50
  Speaker A: Now, you know, coming from North Carolina, do you find your. Do you feel like you're operating within the Southern vernacular of. Of. Of artistic expression?
• 46:59
  Speaker C: I love New Orleans. I think it was just sort of a coincidence that I came here. I'm not tied to the south, although I love the South. I lived in Venice, California for a little while.
• 47:12
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 47:12
  Speaker C: Manny lived out there, and I like. I like that. But I've only lived in three different places, really.
• 47:20
  Speaker B: So I don't live in Venice because I'm from.
• 47:23
  Speaker C: On Vernon Avenue, New Vernon.
• 47:25
  Speaker B: Oh, okay. Now, did you live close to ghost town?
• 47:29
  Speaker C: I don't know what that is.
• 47:30
  Speaker B: When did you live there?
• 47:32
  Speaker C: 89, 90, and 91.
• 47:35
  Speaker B: Ghost Town was there. Oh, maybe you live in a.
• 47:38
  Speaker C: It was kind of near Washington and.
• 47:40
  Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, you're. You're far.
• 47:41
  Speaker C: Near Lincoln.
• 47:42
  Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. Lincoln and Washington. So you're closer towards the Marina del Rey area and stuff like that? Yeah, I got. Gotcha. Yeah. And did you do metal work there?
• 47:53
  Speaker C: I did in my garage. It was great.
• 47:56
  Speaker B: And you sold stuff out of your garage?
• 47:59
  Speaker C: Not out of the garage, but I would do shows in Beverly Hills and Santa Monica and San Diego.
• 48:06
  Speaker A: Okay, now you have a good reaction to your work out there? You sell pieces?
• 48:11
  Speaker C: Yeah, I would. I think I was. I mean, it was early on in my development, and I was still kind of developing ideas, but I got good response.
• 48:20
  Speaker A: Nice. Nice. Well, so I meet you when our kids all go to Lusher Elementary School together.
• 48:28
  Speaker C: Right.
• 48:29
  Speaker A: And by the time I meet you, you've had triplets. Now, I think we've had two contact with triplets here on the show before. One was the great Rachel Hayden, who was daughter of Charlie Hayden, the great jazz bass player, giant of free jazz, and other, you know, just jazz in general. And they have the. The Hayden triplets. And then I think we had this guy Sean Kelly on who's a biographer. He's a great musician himself, but also wrote the. The Continental Drifters bio on them. Whatever. I think he may be a triplet. But you were the first mother of triplets, so congratulations to you.
• 49:12
  Speaker C: Thank you.
• 49:13
  Speaker A: That's. That had to be a shock.
• 49:16
  Speaker C: It was a welcomed shock.
• 49:18
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 49:18
  Speaker C: I was really happy and ready.
• 49:21
  Speaker B: So you were married?
• 49:22
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 49:24
  Speaker B: You didn't get to that?
• 49:25
  Speaker A: Yeah, no, I kind of jumped ahead. We're gonna go back. We're gonna go. We're gonna backfill here.
• 49:30
  Speaker B: So you met your husband, Right. And he's a poker dealer. What does he do?
• 49:36
  Speaker C: He's a scientist, a neuroscientist here in town at Tulane.
• 49:41
  Speaker A: Oh, Quite a brilliant guy. A great guy. And love your husband Jeffrey and his.
• 49:46
  Speaker B: Boys could swim, apparently.
• 49:48
  Speaker A: Huh. It all worked out.
• 49:50
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker B: So you have triplets and they're boys or girls?
• 49:53
  Speaker C: Two boys and a girl.
• 49:54
  Speaker B: Oh, wow. Mother Nature's a mad scientist.
• 49:58
  Speaker C: It was the best.
• 49:59
  Speaker A: That was the best. I love that. I love it.
• 50:01
  Speaker B: Yeah. It's the day of, though. I mean, that seems kind of painful.
• 50:07
  Speaker C: There were a lot of meds involved.
• 50:09
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 50:09
  Speaker C: Good.
• 50:10
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 50:10
  Speaker B: Okay, now who came out first, the girl or the boys?
• 50:13
  Speaker C: The girl.
• 50:14
  Speaker B: The girl came out first. You had to get the hell out of there. Right.
• 50:17
  Speaker C: A minute later, one of the boys and another minute the other boy.
• 50:21
  Speaker B: And you knew you were having triplets? Yeah, there was no surprise.
• 50:25
  Speaker A: No, no.
• 50:26
  Speaker B: Husband's like. Damn. How old are they now?
• 50:30
  Speaker C: 24.
• 50:31
  Speaker B: They're all 24. And they live here?
• 50:34
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker A: Oh, do they? Oh, that's nice.
• 50:37
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker B: I didn't realize they live with you and your husband.
• 50:39
  Speaker C: Two of them live with me now. With us now. And then one, Jacob has his own apartment now.
• 50:45
  Speaker B: What, are you gonna kick the other two out? Come on.
• 50:47
  Speaker C: Well, my daughter's applying to physical therapy Scholars School. So when she. When she gets an acceptance, do you.
• 50:54
  Speaker B: Think she can look at my neck?
• 50:56
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 50:57
  Speaker C: She works at Crane. You can go over there. She'll take.
• 50:59
  Speaker B: That's a realty company?
• 51:01
  Speaker C: No, it's a rehab center.
• 51:03
  Speaker B: Well, I did rehab.
• 51:04
  Speaker A: Yeah, man, it's been a rehab.
• 51:05
  Speaker B: Yeah, many times.
• 51:06
  Speaker A: More than once.
• 51:07
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 51:07
  Speaker C: You maybe even met her before?
• 51:09
  Speaker A: Well, no, not that kind of rehab.
• 51:13
  Speaker B: You don't want to introduce her to me.
• 51:15
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's not going to be any good for your daughter. So at what point do you start teaching?
• 51:23
  Speaker C: Oh, well, in 19. The one year. One year before I moved to California, I taught at Delgado. I guess that was 1987, maybe.
• 51:34
  Speaker A: Oh, wow.
• 51:35
  Speaker C: And then I moved to California and came back and I started teaching there again in 2001, and I've been there ever since.
• 51:43
  Speaker A: Nice.
• 51:44
  Speaker B: Now why did you leave California?
• 51:48
  Speaker C: Jeff, who I'm married to now, he got a job at Tulane.
• 51:53
  Speaker B: Okay, so you left because of work.
• 51:55
  Speaker A: So you were in California with Jeff? Uh huh. Oh. Oh, okay. You guys been together for a long time. Nice. Yeah. Right on. So he got a job at Tulane. Was he just finishing school out there or something?
• 52:09
  Speaker C: Well, he was. I met him here he was doing research at Tulane and the man that he was working for got a job at ucla, so the whole lab moved there.
• 52:20
  Speaker A: Oh, wow.
• 52:22
  Speaker B: I went to ucla.
• 52:23
  Speaker C: You did?
• 52:24
  Speaker B: For a semester. I was trying to get into film school, so I was taking these crappy stupid courses and then I got a job at the studio, so I said film school. I'll just work at the studios.
• 52:39
  Speaker A: But you dated girls from ucla beyond beyond that one semester, right?
• 52:43
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker C: You teach at Tulane?
• 52:46
  Speaker B: No, I don't teach it too. I just hang out there, man.
• 52:51
  Speaker A: He's a. He's a book man. He's pushing the paper, you know.
• 52:53
  Speaker C: Oh, I see.
• 52:54
  Speaker B: I'm the textbook manager. I get all the. And I don't think your. Your husband probably uses books and what he does or anything like that.
• 53:02
  Speaker C: I think they're all online, but I don't know.
• 53:04
  Speaker B: Oh yeah, Everything's on.
• 53:05
  Speaker C: I don't know.
• 53:06
  Speaker B: Well, we do that too. Yeah. What's his last name?
• 53:09
  Speaker C: Tasker.
• 53:10
  Speaker B: Oh, okay. Yes, I do know your husband. I know of him and I've emailed him back and forth. A lot of hate going on there. But it's okay. He seems like a good guy.
• 53:20
  Speaker A: He's a prince of a guy. Can't be him. It's not generating the hate. Yeah, no, no. So you're teaching at Del Gado now?
• 53:31
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 53:31
  Speaker A: You had a high quality of students at Delgado, I'd imagine. Now I'm saying that because I know people that have taught in the art department there, and those are people who choose to go to school because they want to learn something. They're not going there to fulfill their parents expectations. You talk.
• 53:49
  Speaker C: I really love my students. I mean they're. And it's a whole like a variety of different kinds of students. Some students are just kind of trying to get their GPA up, trying to get credits that are. They don't have to spend a lot of money and they're moving on somewhere else. Other students who are really great, but there's just nowhere else for them to go. They maybe can't get into Tulane or even uno. I mean, it's like Delgado is the perfect fit for them. And then I have some older students who are coming back because they really want to take the class. So it's just a variety of different kinds of students and they're all just. I really like them all now.
• 54:35
  Speaker A: My father has been retired for a number of years, but still played music well after he was. Got out of the education racket and was at one time the Delgado big Band had maybe like four or five college age students. And the rest of the band was all retired band directors and old guys and I mean, guys that were old when I was a kid who were still showing up there and playing there. And it was a beautiful thing. But it's just very interesting, interesting setup there. The cross section of like, you're saying some, you know, college age students and then some. Some real old guys that just. And they weren't taking classes, they just showed up there to play, you know, just have a reason to pull the.
• 55:22
  Speaker C: Horn out, you know, I think for Delgado, there's just kind of something for everybody there. And that's what I like about it.
• 55:30
  Speaker A: All right. Shout out.
• 55:34
  Speaker B: Medical program there. A lot of nurse. Hospital. Hospital stuff.
• 55:38
  Speaker C: They have a nursing school, I think, that just opened a couple of years ago.
• 55:41
  Speaker B: Yeah, I went there to. I helped out over there because we're connected, you know, Tulane and Delgado where I work. And I, I was wandering around campus and I. I saw that there was this class going on about. It was all about hospital food. They have a class about hospital food. Found that very interesting.
• 56:03
  Speaker A: Culinary science at Hospital Science. Trying to make it sound basically making.
• 56:10
  Speaker B: Food as bland as you can.
• 56:13
  Speaker A: Again, I don't mind the hospital food. No, no. I just. I like something nice and digestible. You know, you don't have to chew too much during all this. Your whole teaching career, you're. You're really developing, developing a. You know, you've produced so many different pieces. You know, you have many. One of a kind pieces. But then describe your work generally. You have a lot of pendants, necklaces.
• 56:41
  Speaker C: I have one of a kind pieces, but then I also have production pieces which I make multiples of. And those pieces have evolved over time. Like, I'll come up with a concept and I'll do variations of that concept and repeat it and maybe I'll make 20 of one kind of piece. And I consider that a production piece. And those are the kinds of things that I sell mostly at Jazz Fest and shows like that.
• 57:11
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 57:11
  Speaker B: Do you have a shop here locally or just everything's from your home?
• 57:14
  Speaker C: I have a studio.
• 57:16
  Speaker B: Do you sell out of that studio?
• 57:19
  Speaker C: Sometimes. I've had like holiday shows, but I have not in a while.
• 57:23
  Speaker B: So you just face, you know, you work through the web?
• 57:26
  Speaker C: No, no, just through this one gallery.
• 57:30
  Speaker B: Now, if I were to buy something, could I return it if I didn't like it? Let's say if I bought something for like my mistress.
• 57:37
  Speaker C: You could. Yes, you could.
• 57:38
  Speaker B: As long as I have my Receipt.
• 57:40
  Speaker C: You wouldn't even need the receipt. Just bring the piece back and I would remember it. Yeah. Okay.
• 57:45
  Speaker B: All right. And what's like The. Is like 90 days, 60 days, 30 days?
• 57:50
  Speaker C: Not even.
• 57:51
  Speaker A: Not even the return.
• 57:53
  Speaker C: You can get store credit, but.
• 57:55
  Speaker B: No, no, I want credit.
• 57:56
  Speaker A: There you go. No, no, I think that's money back. Yeah, no, it's. You know.
• 58:00
  Speaker B: Cuz what if she doesn't like it?
• 58:02
  Speaker A: You know, you got to take a chance. Eat it.
• 58:04
  Speaker C: I would. I would make something for her that she liked.
• 58:07
  Speaker B: Okay, good answer. Good to know.
• 58:09
  Speaker A: Yeah, good answer. I like that. Well, and your. Your pieces are. You know, you work a lot in silver. Again, like, you're talking about textures. So you. You have different techniques of. Of distressing or treating the silver. Talk about that.
• 58:25
  Speaker C: Some of the techniques that I use for texture are embossing. I have like, this. These two rollers that I can adjust and I can press materials into the metal through the rollers. I do etching. I do hammering. Abrasive techniques now.
• 58:46
  Speaker A: So in that kind of work, you have, like, the design, you know, the conceptual part of it, I guess, you're sketching and all. And then you have the actual artisanal part where you're there getting your hands dirty, probably burning your hands and cutting yourself.
• 59:03
  Speaker C: Yeah, it's like that. Yeah, it's very.
• 59:07
  Speaker A: Do you like one of those more than the other, or you like things about each of them that was good.
• 59:14
  Speaker C: Yeah. The designing part, I'll start out with the design. It's not fully fleshed out, but it's a starting point. And sometimes it's about the design is about the technique or the texture or the shape. I just like. I think the thing that I find the most interesting is making it all work. Like you have these parts and shapes and pieces and putting it all together so that it actually functions as something.
• 59:46
  Speaker A: Yes. Well, I know, like recording music. There's the thing about. Well, you just kind of have to give up at some point because you could work on it forever, but that's no good. You know, you gotta. But there's. Working in the corporeal world, the physical world, there's got to be something very satisfactory about. I did this. Here it is. It's done right.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker C: Yeah, there's. But there's also a point where, you know, you have to stop because she can kind of keep doing too much.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker A: Overwork it.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker C: Yeah, you have to just, like, be happy, you know, when the. When it's time to stop.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker A: Right on. So. So, you know, working in silver and a Lot of jewelry, like I'm saying, you know, even got into, I see doing more rings more recently than, than the bracelets and necklaces and stuff. But then one time you were doing shadow boxes, which are more of a sculptural thing. But then I've seen you're doing even sculptural elements beyond that more recently. Not the shadow boxes, but wall pieces.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker C: Right? Yeah. For this last show at Sullivan, I did some enameled pieces on copper, which I love working with copper and I, I really like those pieces.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker A: They're beautiful. You know, my mother in law was an animalist.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker C: I remember. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker A: Our, our home is filled with.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker C: I've seen some of her work before.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker A: Yeah, it's very cool. The colors, the, again the textures that come out and that's one of those things where you have copper and you have the, the enamel powders that you're dealing and put and firing them and it's kind of hard to predict how those are going to come out. There's a random element to it.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker C: Right?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker A: No, this is what you got to say more.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker C: No, but it's, it's. I don't, I'm not an anomalist. I mean, I've done it enough to kind of know what I'm doing, but I don't understand the whole chemistry aspect of it completely. So to. Enough to control exactly what I'm, what the outcome is going to be.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker A: Right, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker C: It's kind of a, it's kind of like a hit and miss. It's like, oh, this worked.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker A: Right?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker C: I'm going to use this.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker A: Right. But that's exciting in art. Right? Like, you know, let's, let's give it a shot. We'll see if it doesn't work out.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker C: But I got the feeling that your mother in law was an experienced enamelist.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker A: Well, only through doing it, you know, it's, she was not trained in that. She was a trained dietitian, you know. Well, so recently I said you did a residency at the Picosin.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker C: Yes, that's right.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker A: Craft school. And how, how, where is that? Tell us.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker C: That's in North Carolina.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker A: About returning to your roots?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker C: Yeah, about 30. I, I discovered it about five years ago during COVID Whenever. During COVID I think that was. And I didn't even know it existed and it had been there for a long time and I was so excited. Excited. And so I went there this past year. It was my third year doing a residency.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker A: Oh, nice.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker C: And it's, it's really lovely.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker A: Okay, that's out of.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker B: Did you take up smoking when you went back there?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker C: I did not.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker B: No.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker C: Smoking is. Will never be a part of my life again.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker B: Really? No, I'm not even crack.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker C: I'm done with crack.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker B: I'm done with cigars. You did do crack. Oh, well, you know, everyone did crack.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker A: Everyone. Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker A: You know, who. Who knows what went on one. One night or another.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker A: Well, I did see, you know, looking at your Instagram page, looking at your work, I saw that I was reminded that you just took this big vacation, family vacation through France and Spain.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker C: Right.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker A: And I saw you had a photograph of the Goudi Cathedral. Now, did they ever finish that thing? I was there in the mid-80s.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker C: Oh, gosh.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker A: And they were still working on it since, I don't know, 40 years before.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker C: I went there in the. In the 19. In 1983 or two or something like that. And it was a front facade and a back facade. You should see it now.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker B: It's.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker C: It's amazing. The interior is beautiful with all the stained glass and I think there's a real like Japanese. I think there's some Japanese architects who kind of like have taken it on and has a real kind of feel, Japanese feel on the interior part. It's really. And they're still working on it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker A: Still working on it. Okay.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker C: I think it'll be. I think I heard in maybe about 10 years it'll be complete.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker A: Okay, Maybe I'll go back and check it out.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker C: It's. It's something.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Oh, it's something else. Yeah. Yeah. Now, did you find that trip very inspiring artistically?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker C: Yes. The first part of the trip, the first like 15 days I was by myself and I did this walk where I walked this pilgrimage.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I heard about. Tell us about that.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker C: It's called the Camino de Santiago. And I thought that I could do the whole thing, but apparently it takes about 4, 40 days to do the route that I did. But so I only walked for 11 days.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker B: And then you got an Uber.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker A: Now are you Catholic? No, no, but because Manny and I were. And started off like that way anyhow.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker C: I think people do it for different reasons.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker B: And why would you want to walk for 11 days? I think.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker C: I don't know.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker B: What is the. What is there to be gained by that? Walking for 11 days.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker C: Amazing.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker B: I hope you had some nice sneakers, cuz New Balance are my favorite.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker C: I had some that. And at the end my toes were coming through the top of them and I just left them in Spain.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker B: Really?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker B: So after 11 days, you called it quits?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker C: No. Well, I was done. I was done with.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker B: But you said it was a 40 day walk.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker B: Who does 40 days of walking?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker C: I don't know. I couldn't do it. I. I wondered how those people managed that.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker B: Where was your family? I thought you went with your family.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker C: Well, they met me. They met me later. I did this ahead.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker B: Mom, what the hell are you doing? What is wrong?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker C: I'm not really sure what they were thinking, but I thought it was fabulous. And it was a lot harder than I thought.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker B: Yeah, I bet it was.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker C: I wasn't expecting mountains.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Mountains in Spain. Go figure.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker C: Mountains.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker A: Well, Pyrenees.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker C: Yeah, I thought there would be hills, but I wasn't expecting that kind of element.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker B: Did you start drinking heavily? Because I would have.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker C: Well, no, I was just trying to get down to the other side of the mountain.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker B: And where was your husband at the time?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker A: Went up the. Went over the mountain.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker C: Right. He. He was in New Orleans.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker B: Okay. I'm not doing this walk. What are you nuts, lady?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker C: I didn't really invite anybody to come with me. I really wanted to do it by myself.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker A: Now, did you find that, that, that kind of solitude had an effect on you?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker C: Yeah, I need. I think I needed that. Really? It was, it was. The view was amazing. Everything that I saw.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker B: And this was in Spain?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker C: North or southern Spain, in the Basque country.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker B: Okay. I have Basque in me.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker C: Really?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker A: You know, the, the Basques predate Rome being there. Yeah, it's, it's. It's the. Some of the. The most unique genetic material of anybody on the planet is the Basque people.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker C: You should see the. The.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker B: And I have basket. Really?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker A: That's a surprise.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker C: The. They. They have a different kind of Alphabet. It's not a different Alphabet, but the way.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker B: We're just crazy people.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker C: The way put the, the letters together, they'll do like an X. Yeah, we don't like verbs together. Yeah, it was just exactly heavy on like the consonants.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker A: Now, if you go to Bakersfield, California, huge Bass community there, there's not one, but about three Basque restaurants.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker C: Wow.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker A: Yeah, we go and eat family style Basque food.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker B: It's pigs, lots of pigs.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker A: The wool gatherer, that's one of the famous baskets.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker B: So when you threw away your shoes, what did you do?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker C: I had others.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker B: You had other shoes?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker C: I just left them. Yeah, it made more room in my. My suitcase.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker B: Okay, so you were walking with a suitcase on a backpack?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker C: No, what happened was that was 11 days.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker A: I'm picturing Tony Randall.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker A: Walking down the dusty trail.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker C: Well, I had this, this company arranged my accommodations for me, so I didn't, When I got to a town, I did not have to find a place to stay. I knew where I was going to stay. I just had to find it.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker A: Right, right, right.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker C: But they also transported my suitcase from, from place to place.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker A: So you didn't have to carry.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker C: Right. So, I mean, you know, some people don't do it that way.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker B: Are there other people on this walk with you?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker C: Not with me, but I met people along the way.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker B: They were walking.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker A: Vagabonds.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker B: A lot of, they got a lot of time on their hands. Right. 40 days to do nothing except walk.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker C: Yeah, I see.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker B: I would have started smoking right there.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker C: I would, I have to go back to finish my 40 days.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker B: No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker A: Yeah, well, well, so now you're back in New Orleans and you're continuing to make jewelry and you have a show.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker C: Coming up, I understand, in, at Sullivan Gallery in December.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker A: Okay. Now, Sullivan Gallery, tell us about that. Where is that?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker C: It's, I, it's on Magazine Street. I think it's on the corner of General Pershing, but I'm not sure.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker C: I, I get those streets mixed up a little bit. It's a, I, I've known Alon Cuneo, who's the owner of Sullivan Gallery, since my early Rhino days. He used to be a Rhino member.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker C: And now he's the owner of Sullivan Gallery.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker A: Right on. So that's a, it's a good landing spot for you.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker A: So you have a show and what, what is this show going to be like?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker C: I'm not the featured artist. I think I'm like one of the three others and I can't remember who the featured artist is. I'm just going to make some, one of a kind pieces, about 10 pieces.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker A: Okay. So this will be like right before gift giving season. People can go in there and, you know, buy some, some unique pieces.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker C: Right.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker A: Outstanding. Well, we'll put the, we'll put a link into Sullivan Galleries and as well as your Instagram page and all that stuff in the show notes and. Man, Margo, you see, I told you this was going to go fast, huh? Now here's the question. I was gonna, I, I, I, I delayed till now. So you've listened to a number of these shows and you know, did it live up to your expectations?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker C: Beyond Beyond.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker A: Now, now, hearing these, you thought, these people are so scintillating. They're such great Conversationalists. How could I ever do that?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker C: Right? I felt this. I felt that. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker A: Look at you. Look at your fucking superstar.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker C: Yeah, well, I don't know about that.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker A: Well, well, I always oversell everything on the show. You heard the introduction. Right.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker C: I'm just a big fan of the whole talk format of. I love to hear people talk about whatever.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker A: Sure. You know, just shooting the baby.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker B: Cuz you like to walk so you.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker A: Get a chance to walking and talking.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker B: Yeah. Do you walk in New Orleans?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker C: I do. I walk every day.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker B: Really? Where do you walk?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker A: The neighborhood. You walked here? I, I, I was driving from my house and I saw you and I, I pull, I, well, first of all, I cleaned all the out of my passenger seat and said, do you want to ride or you want to walk? The way she said, I'll walk the last two blocks.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker C: I usually walk in Audubon Park.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker C: And then down Audubon Boulevard. I mean, you know, I, I just started doing it during COVID and I haven't stopped.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker B: When any of you keep street walking, you're gonna get a reputation.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker C: I, I fear that I'm gonna be. I'm gonna turn into the crazy walking lady.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker A: Just don't walk too fast. That's the thing. Don't swing the arms too, too much. You know, that's where it starts to look weird.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker C: I just like doing it. It's, it's clears my head. And yes, I, I like the vision.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker B: I'm from Los Angeles. I don't do any walking.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker A: Right, right, right.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker B: We don't walk in LA. Song written about that.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker B: Back in the 80s.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker B: But anyway, you've been great.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker A: Yes. Margo, thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I was happy to do it.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker B: Outstanding.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker C: Honored, really, to be part of it.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker A: As, as we are honored to have you on. And as always on the Trouble Men podcast, we like to say trouble.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker B: Wait a minute. She gets a sticker.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker A: Oh, yes, yes. Sorry that I always forget the ceremonial presentation of the Trouble Men Podcast stickers. We give you one to stick and one to save. I know you're.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker B: Stick it wherever you want.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker A: Well, you know, stick it somewhere good, like your laptop or something.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker A: Bumper stickers. All right. Well, well, again, as always on the Trouble Minute podcast, we like to say.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker B: Trouble never ends, but, you know, the struggle continues. Good night.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker A: Good night.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker D: Ring toss reminders. Don't like nothing to lose. That wasn't her style. Except on the moves. She was a practical woman, right down to her shoes. Right down to her sensible shoes.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker B: The.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker D: Moon beams of science I crisscross the sky A hungry young coyote lets out a cry But I only remember what I can't forget so I still see his shoes Heading towards the sunset.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker B: On.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker D: The horizon I can still see them yet I see sensible shoes she cruises downtown in a light gray sedan she won't commit to motion she doesn't got a plan she knows her quarry and the lay of the land and unsensible shoes she'll make her stare She's a practical woman Never gambles to the she wears sensible she wears sensible shoes the practical woman never gambles through she wears sensible she wears sensible shoes.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker B: On the.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker D: Horizon I can still see them yet I see sensible shoes Heading towards the sunset on the horizon I can still see them yet I see sensible shoes I'm walking down the same streets that we walked upon it hurts Life is hard it hurts Life is hard.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker A: Walking.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker D: Down the same streets that we walk Life is hard it hurts Life is hard.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker A: Sa.