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UK Column News - 9th May 2025 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, It's Friday the ninth to May twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome to the UK Column News.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Rumson joining me in the studio
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  Speaker 1: today Patrick Kennison, and welcome to the program. Patrick. Great
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  Speaker 1: to be with you, Mike, and by video link we
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  Speaker 1: have Mark Anderson. I. Later in the program, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be covering the continuing drive for Wharf. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to be covering fluoride in the US and the UK,
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  Speaker 1: and also online safety. But we're going to kick off
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  Speaker 1: with this UK US trade deal big news conference tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: morning at ten am the Oval Office was what Trump
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  Speaker 1: was declaring a Wednesday. He went on to say that
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  Speaker 1: it was a major trade deal with representatives of a
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  Speaker 1: big and highly respected country. The first of Benny, and
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  Speaker 1: then yesterday morning he revealed that it wasn't India, China,
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  Speaker 1: it was the UK, a country which, as I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: Mark is about to demonstrated in the second, is already
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  Speaker 1: in a trade surplus. The US is already a trade
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  Speaker 1: surplus with the UK. So the question is is that
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  Speaker 1: a big deal?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I just want to show this image of Peter Mandelson,
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  Speaker 1: the UK's Ambassador to the United States looking down over
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  Speaker 1: the shoulder of Donald Trump. I just thought the positioning
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  Speaker 1: of people in the room was quite amusing. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what we said about the Prince of
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  Speaker 1: darkness there.
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  Speaker 2: He still got that gravity task, doesn'tymore, Mike, Yes, he
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  Speaker 2: really does. Hasn't lost it, no, indeed.
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  Speaker 1: So Mark, let's come over to you and what are
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this deal.
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course it's a little early to tell in
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  Speaker 3: terms of the nitty gritty details, but the White House,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know what slides you might want to show.
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  Speaker 3: Just to kick it off, the White House is announcing
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  Speaker 3: a great deal for America, President Drum's breakthrough trade deal.
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  Speaker 3: And we also see the Department and of Commerce headline
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  Speaker 3: together with the US Trade rep announcing the historic trade
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  Speaker 3: deal with the United Kingdom to open markets, raise revenue,
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  Speaker 3: and strength and security. And I listed here some of
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  Speaker 3: the organizations in the US that commented favorably. They were
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  Speaker 3: quoted by the White House. National Cattleman's Beef Association, Renewable
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  Speaker 3: Fuels mainly ethanol, There Growth Energy CEO Emily Score, the
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  Speaker 3: Job Creators Network, Consumer Brands Association President Melinda Hawkstad that's
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  Speaker 3: the package good packaged goods industry, and the American Farm
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  Speaker 3: Bureau Federation president, and they were, among others, Senator John
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  Speaker 3: Cornyan of Texas, the Nebraska Governor, the Agricultural Secretary of
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  Speaker 3: the State of Iowa. We're all commenting favorably. We also
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  Speaker 3: have a banking related thing here going on, where the
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  Speaker 3: HSBC USA President and CEO Lisa mcgow said, today's landmark
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  Speaker 3: US UK trade agreement Marxist significance up in strengthening transatlantic
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  Speaker 3: economic ties and expanding opportunities for businesses and investors. As
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  Speaker 3: a British headquartered bank with a strong US footprint, we're
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  Speaker 3: uniquely positioned to help American companies and investors seize new
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  Speaker 3: growth opportunities domestically in the UK and beyond. And they're
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  Speaker 3: ready to leverage their position, they're saying, and that's a
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  Speaker 3: quote from the White House of that banker, and at
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  Speaker 3: any rate I did some research. There's also, of course,
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  Speaker 3: the press release from the Government of the UK. This
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  Speaker 3: is their headline, landmark economic deal with the United States
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  Speaker 3: saves thousands of jobs for British carmakers and the steel industry.
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  Speaker 3: Those are the apparent announced beneficiaries. The main beneficiaries of
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  Speaker 3: this trade deal carmakers in the steel industry, and the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister is saying thousands of jobs are being saved
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  Speaker 3: in the process. The US also, we can mention here
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  Speaker 3: with this chart this is the first three months of
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five has been running and in previous years
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  Speaker 3: as well has been running a trade surplus with the UK. However,
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  Speaker 3: in January of this year they were close to parody.
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  Speaker 3: People can look up this chart through the Department of
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  Speaker 3: Commerce in the United States or excuse me, I believe
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  Speaker 3: that's it. Wait a minute, I want to get that right.
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  Speaker 3: The chart comes from the Census Department, the Census dot
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  Speaker 3: gov department of the US government. At any rate, there
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  Speaker 3: tends to be about a five to seven to eight
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  Speaker 3: billion dollar surplus on the site of the US with
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  Speaker 3: the UK as a general rule, although again in January
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  Speaker 3: trade was relatively balanced. This year the gap was only
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  Speaker 3: a little over one billion, and in trade terms, that's
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  Speaker 3: a fairly close gap the way it goes. But at
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  Speaker 3: any rate, the many things that have been listed on
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  Speaker 3: both sides of the pond about this automotive tariffs, the
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  Speaker 3: UK will see tariffs on its first one car exports
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  Speaker 3: to the US reduced from twenty seven point five to
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  Speaker 3: ten percent. Let ex commercect US saying that ten billion
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  Speaker 3: dollars worth of Boeing planes will be sold to the
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  Speaker 3: UK by the US. The US will remove tariffs on
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  Speaker 3: steel and aluminum imports from the UK and reduce those
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  Speaker 3: particular tariffs to zero, according to the US government. And
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  Speaker 3: we were.
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  Speaker 2: Concerned about farmers.
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  Speaker 3: They're saying there's going to be unprecedented market access for
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  Speaker 3: British farmers with protections on food standards maintained. This is
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  Speaker 3: according to the UK government. We have agreed on new
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  Speaker 3: reciprocal market access on beef, with UK farmers given a
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  Speaker 3: quota for thirteen thousand metric tons of beef. There will
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  Speaker 3: be no weakening they're saying, no weakening of US food
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  Speaker 3: Excuse me of UK food standards on imports. The UK
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  Speaker 3: is not going to weaken as food standards. And apparently
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  Speaker 3: there's no chance or there's no indication that chlorinated chicken
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  Speaker 3: from the US will be sent to the UK. I
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  Speaker 3: think that that's been a concern, So that's some of
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  Speaker 3: what's going on. It appears to have reasonable benefits for
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  Speaker 3: both sides.
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  Speaker 2: But of course there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot to unpack when you look at these trade deals,
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  Speaker 3: but that's what I've got so far.
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  Speaker 2: Mainly, thank you Mark.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's just look in a bit more detail of
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  Speaker 1: what the UK government is saying this is doing for us.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the graphically we're putting out on Twitter today.
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  Speaker 1: The UK and USA have signed a deal to reduce tariffs.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what it won't be doing. So this is what
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  Speaker 1: they're wanting to focus on. And the first thing that
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  Speaker 1: they were focusing on was high food and drink standards.
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  Speaker 1: So they're saying the government has been clear that we
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  Speaker 1: will only ever sign trade agreements which align with the
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  Speaker 1: UK's national interests. Hormone treated beef on chlorinated chicken is
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  Speaker 1: and will remain illegal in the UK. Any US imports
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  Speaker 1: will continue the need to make UK food standards. So
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  Speaker 1: they're saying that in fact, as a result of that,
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  Speaker 1: that it's written into the text of this agreement, and
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  Speaker 1: this result of that, there's no chance of these products
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  Speaker 1: coming into the UK. But there's been a lot of
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  Speaker 1: talk over the last couple of years by Cloria the
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  Speaker 1: chicken Patrick But what about this hormone imbued beef, what's
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  Speaker 1: that all about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the question is, Mike, you know we talked about
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  Speaker 2: this at length before the program. You know, you could say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to have hormone infused synthetic hormone infused
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  Speaker 2: American beef coming into the British market, and of course
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  Speaker 2: chloriniate chicken. But how do you really regulate all of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff because the US market is just becoming so deregulated.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll put up your study by the NHS up
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  Speaker 2: on screen here and decrine disruptors. That's really what we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about, and the correlation or the causation for obesity. Now,
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  Speaker 2: America has an obese problem. Everybody knows that, and Britain
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  Speaker 2: and Europe are catching up very quickly to this as well.
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  Speaker 2: So this is an important study here. And there's the
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  Speaker 2: gist of this whole thing is right here. Endocrine disrupting
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  Speaker 2: chemicals they're calling obesogens. So they've actually got a name
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  Speaker 2: for these chemicals and these synthetic hormones, and they're promoting
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  Speaker 2: weight gain, and they're saying that it includes compounds to
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  Speaker 2: which the human population is exposed to daily in daily
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  Speaker 2: life through their use of pesticides and herbicides that get
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  Speaker 2: into the food chain via the agricultural processes. Pesticides and herbicides,
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  Speaker 2: Industrial household products, even fairy liquid and Unilever products fall
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  Speaker 2: also into these categories as well, flame retardants, etc. So
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  Speaker 2: this is a big problem here. It's a massive problem.
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  Speaker 2: And it also we'll go to the Soil Association right here,
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  Speaker 2: and so this is actually a great resource if you
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  Speaker 2: want to know where things are at at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: So you just go to the Soil Association and they'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you all about you know, where's the hormonal beef
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  Speaker 2: and so forth, and also the carcinogens. There's a carcinogen
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  Speaker 2: problem with a lot of these things that's becoming more
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  Speaker 2: and more prevalent. And the lawsuits speak for themselves on this.
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  Speaker 2: Here is a lot of great details. Again, the Soil
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  Speaker 2: Association is really up to date on legislation regulation, so
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  Speaker 2: it's a great resource. So I encourage people to go there.
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  Speaker 2: Bottom line, mic though US is cutting tariffs on British
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  Speaker 2: metals and cars, the UK's cutting tariffs on USA food.
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  Speaker 2: But here's a good question, Mike, when we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the automotive industry, what's Britain trying to do? No combustion
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  Speaker 2: engines by what twenty thirty is that the target? Are
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  Speaker 2: they moving it forty is more likely? I think. So
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  Speaker 2: are you going to have a situation where Jaguar it
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  Speaker 2: is going to be producing combustion engines for a US market.
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  Speaker 1: No, because Jaguar has already announce they're not going to
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  Speaker 1: be producing combustion engines for any market. They're moving full electric.
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  Speaker 2: Cooper Mini Jaguar. But it's just interesting because US is
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  Speaker 2: on a very different Green New Deal path than Britain,
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  Speaker 2: and British and European countries are basically have committed themselves
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  Speaker 2: to economic Harry Carey in the Japanese sense, where the
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  Speaker 2: US is going basically eschewing the whole climate agenda very
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  Speaker 2: very rapidly. So you're can have divergence of markets, could
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  Speaker 2: be a gap in the market for some you know,
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  Speaker 2: entrepreneurial British company, very good British engineering companies.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps coming back onto the food issue again, We've talked
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  Speaker 1: about beef, we talked about chicken. What about pork, Because
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, the British company Genus announced that they
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  Speaker 1: had succeeded in using crisper technology to gene edit pigs
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  Speaker 1: to protect them from porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome otherwise
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  Speaker 1: known as PRRs. Well, you'd be glad to know that
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  Speaker 1: these pigs have been approved this week by the US
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  Speaker 1: Food and Drug Administration to enter the food chain. They
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  Speaker 1: will be sold. So my question then is will they
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  Speaker 1: be sold on the UK market following this deal. Well,
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  Speaker 1: remember that it's the UK which leads the world at
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  Speaker 1: least on a legislative point of view on the question
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  Speaker 1: of gene editing. So I'm going to suggest that perhaps
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  Speaker 1: the answer to that is yes. But coming back onto
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  Speaker 1: the other things that won't be covered or won't be
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  Speaker 1: problems as a result of this trade deal according to
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  Speaker 1: the government. At least it won't impact the NHS, they say,
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  Speaker 1: because any impact in the NHS, any devastating destruction of
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  Speaker 1: that particular organization. The UK Government's quite capable of doing
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  Speaker 1: that for itself. It doesn't need a trade deal with
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  Speaker 1: the United States to do it. It won't harm UK farmers,
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  Speaker 1: they say again again. They felt they need to reiterate
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  Speaker 1: that twice.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's their job. The government exactly UK farmers once again.
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  Speaker 1: And it won't mean American companies in the UK will
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  Speaker 1: avoid paying digital services tax. Now, I have to say, Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: this is something that you Mark and I have been
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  Speaker 1: banging on about since twenty thirteen, this whole business of
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  Speaker 1: of multinational digital companies and not paying tax in countries
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  Speaker 1: that they're providing services into. This is a continuing effort
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  Speaker 1: by the British government with this Digital services tax to
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  Speaker 1: get a handle on this whole thing. And so apparently
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  Speaker 1: this deal will not impact that in any way, shape
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  Speaker 1: or form. And finally, it won't rule out broader deal
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  Speaker 1: in the future. And I think this is the key
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  Speaker 1: takeaway from this whole thing. What we're seeing is a
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  Speaker 1: first step here. And if they're saying that hormone infuse
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  Speaker 1: beef and chlorinated chicken are not part of this particular deal,
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  Speaker 1: then don't worry. There's the opportunity in the future to
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  Speaker 1: expand this much broader. So we need to keep an
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  Speaker 1: eye on what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know how to devastate and wipe out
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  Speaker 2: UK agriculture and livestock, don't we just by announcing outbreaks
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  Speaker 2: of viruses, magic little part invisible particles like foot in
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  Speaker 2: mouth and bird flu. And there you go. Let's call
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  Speaker 2: the entire livestock and bird population, just to be safe,
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  Speaker 2: just to be safe. Even though it's not deadly to humans,
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  Speaker 2: we still need to Or it's not even deadly to
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  Speaker 2: birds or even cows, let's just kill them all just
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  Speaker 2: in case.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. The other news that we should briefly mention
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  Speaker 1: is the new Pope.
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  Speaker 2: There is a new Pope. We'll bring this up on screen.
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  Speaker 2: This is not just any pope, Mike. This is the
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  Speaker 2: new pontiff and controversial certain a certain way, and novel
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  Speaker 2: in other ways as well. And why is that? We'll
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  Speaker 2: go here. This is the American Pope, first ever American Pope.
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  Speaker 2: Cardinal Robert Prevost has been anointed Pope Leo the fourteenth.
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  Speaker 2: To get my room and numerals right, just about remember them,
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  Speaker 2: Pope Leo the fourteenth. And so this is coming on
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  Speaker 2: the heels of Pope Francis, who is a real reformer.
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  Speaker 2: Some would call him a leftist, progressive, the socialist Pope,
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  Speaker 2: the Jesuit Pope, etc. Prevost kind of Pope Leo, if
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  Speaker 2: you will, falls a little bit along that Saint Francis line.
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  Speaker 2: The Catholic Church is facing all of this pressure to
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  Speaker 2: make changes, to change the way the world's changing. There's
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  Speaker 2: all these issues like gay marriage, whether to allow married
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  Speaker 2: members of the clergy like other Protestant denominations, and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: So there's many, many different issues. Obviously, the issue that
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to really bring up at the moment
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  Speaker 2: in America is Israel. So this is like kind of
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  Speaker 2: off the conversation topic list, but it will eventually have
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  Speaker 2: to make its way on. And Pope Francis took a
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  Speaker 2: very i would say, a deliberate line in defense of
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  Speaker 2: the people of Gaza, which made him extremely controversial to
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  Speaker 2: certain Zionist Christian factions.
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  Speaker 1: The other area, because that's one area that they don't
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about. The other area that they absolutely
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  Speaker 1: don't want to talk about is the continuing allegations of
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuse of children, and Cardinal Robert Prevost when he
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  Speaker 1: was in Peru doesn't have that great a reputation in
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  Speaker 1: this regard either. It staggers me that we have the
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  Speaker 1: two major religious you know, Christian religious institutions on the planet,
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  Speaker 1: the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England, and
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  Speaker 1: neither of them is prepared to grip this issue. And
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  Speaker 1: I've got to say that if for as long as
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  Speaker 1: they don't grip this issue. It seems to me that
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  Speaker 1: they are giving Tasklit approval for this behavior. So there
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  Speaker 1: needs to be an acknowledgment of it. There needs to
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  Speaker 1: be repercussions, serious repercussions for the people that are involved
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  Speaker 1: in it, and the cover ups need to stop and
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  Speaker 1: the excuses need to stop. And unfortunately Robert Prevost does
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  Speaker 1: not have a great reputation in this area.
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  Speaker 2: Well neither did Pope Benedict before as well. But interesting
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  Speaker 2: you bring up this Peruvian connection. Not only is he
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  Speaker 2: the first American pope, he's also a dual citizen of
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  Speaker 2: the country of Peru, so he is a dual national
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  Speaker 2: US and Peruvian and probably by virtue of the amount
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  Speaker 2: of time he spent in that country. So the first
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  Speaker 2: really Latin American, quasi Latin American pope after Francis, but
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  Speaker 2: the first North American pope. So clearly the center of
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  Speaker 2: gravity from the Catholic Church globally shifting west. And there's
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  Speaker 2: been a huge resurgence of membership in the Catholic Church
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  Speaker 2: popularity as well as the Orthodox Church.
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  Speaker 1: It's because of this, by the way, is that why
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  Speaker 1: they're looking to the west? Because of are they saying
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  Speaker 1: the threat of they rise in membership of the Orthodox Church.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's also a concominant popularity of resurgence popular in
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  Speaker 2: the Catholic Church as well, but definitely in the Orthodox Church.
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  Speaker 2: And also the pressure from traditional Catholics might trad Catholics
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  Speaker 2: as they call them, wanting to bring back Latin masses
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  Speaker 2: and things like that, rejecting Vatican two reforms. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a very very interesting time right now, especially in the
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  Speaker 2: Western hemisphere, regarding the Catholicism Christianity.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's move on then to more sort of
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  Speaker 1: war related topics, well, particularly Victory Day VE Day, and
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  Speaker 1: we're starting off in Plymouth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're starting off locally, I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 2: very big important day really for Plymouth, but throughout the
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  Speaker 2: whole country Victory Day eightieth anniversary nineteen forty five, twenty
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  Speaker 2: and twenty five. Here. Plymouth obviously affected greatly by the
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  Speaker 2: Second World War, more so than many other cities as well,
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  Speaker 2: because of the bombing and so forth. The Luftwaffer took
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  Speaker 2: out a substantial amount of Plymouth's city, but the city
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  Speaker 2: council did the rest absolutely afterwards with their brutalist architectural projects.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, this is up on the hoe here. That's
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  Speaker 2: a historic picture. It's great and we'll go to the
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  Speaker 2: local media outlets did a very nice retrospective, beautiful photographs
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  Speaker 2: here Ve Day Plymouth celebrations throughout the years. Eighty years ago,
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  Speaker 2: people across the globe celebrated tears of joy and grief
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  Speaker 2: for all the lives lost as Nazi Germany surrendered. So
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  Speaker 2: this is again great photographs here on local press, Plymouth Live.
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  Speaker 2: They've done a beautiful job really on this. You have
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  Speaker 2: to give them amazing credit on such a great presentation.
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  Speaker 2: But I go to the Facebook page, however, Mike of
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  Speaker 2: the Ministry of Defense, and you know, there's some strange
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  Speaker 2: things sometimes that appear on their social media pages. One
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  Speaker 2: of them is this is the ve Day procession here,
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  Speaker 2: and you've got obviously the Royal Navy, the British Army,
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  Speaker 2: the Royal Air Force, but also international partners. I can't
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  Speaker 2: work out what that blue flag is, but I know
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  Speaker 2: it that blue and green flag or the blue and
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  Speaker 2: yellow flag is. Do you know what the other flag is, Well.
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  Speaker 1: It's the United Nations on the Commonwealth. So it's Commonwealth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's Commonwealth. Yeah, So why as Ukraine singled out
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  Speaker 2: as an international partner. Because a lot of these events
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  Speaker 2: you see around the country, small villages, Ukraine has a
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  Speaker 2: prominent position. It's almost like it's Ukraine Day as well
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  Speaker 2: as ve Day as well. So ye'll put a highlight there, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: But why Ukraine? Why is Ukraine so central to British
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  Speaker 2: Victory Day celebrations in twenty twenty five, We've created this
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  Speaker 2: whole story that somehow we're shoulders to shoulder with Ukraine.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: So I just I know, Brian me at this point
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: of Monday, but remind me who Ukraine was fighting for
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: during the Second World War.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Well, they were torn Actually Western Ukraine, many of them
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: were fighting with the Nazis with Germany, but Eastern Ukraine
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: were fighting with the Red Army. And that's not to
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: say that I was one hundred percent of people in
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the East and West were fighting on those sides. So
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Ukraine was torn in two effectively with the Second World War,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and the remnants of those Nazi collaborators, of course, are
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: actually in power and Kiev. Look at this, just to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: remind people today, this is a Ben Dare right, Nazis
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: marching in today's Ukraine. They're marching in the streets, torch
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: processions at midnight with ultra nationalists. This is who the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: US and the UK and nator backing in Ukraine. These
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: are the direct descendants of Stefan bandera. So they're erecting
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: statues to Nazis and they're tearing down memorials to the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Second World War Victory Day memorials. That shows what the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Soviet Union, the Red Army lost in defeating the Nazis
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: during the Second World War. So is it very confusing time,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: isn't it, Mike? For the West, especially for Britain and France,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: having really cast their lot with this ultranationalist, Nazi leaning
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: regime in Kiev, with Zelensky kind of at the head,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: serving at the pleasure of the ultra nationalists effectively. I mean,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: this is how informed, intelligent commentators are seeing it, as
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: well as honest historians. But we have mainstream media who
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: are seeing a different story unfortunately. But let's go over
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: to Moscow here and the scenes in Moscow for Victory Day.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Arguably third biggest holiday in the country after Christmas and Easter,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: is Victory Day, big eighty year anniversary. But look at this.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Zelenski basically has threatened to world leaders, don't go to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the parade in Moscow. That's what Zelenski did this week.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Robert Fiso there you saw earlier from Slovakia. The PM
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: he basically slams Zelenski for this, How dare you threaten
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: world leaders? And he's saying, you're not threatening me. He said,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you're threatening the president of Brazil, You're threatening the president
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: of China, President G and so it really I think
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: this was a very bad move by Zelenski from a
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: public relations point of view. Even he accused Russia of
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: staging a false flag on V Day, so if he
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: did it, he would have blamed it on Russia. Basically.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy is Lula there from Brazil with G.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: So they weren't deterred by Zelenski's threats, were they? But
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: you imagine if they made those threats against the United States,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: what would have happened. I mean, it's not safe to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: go to Victory Day in Washington anyway, that's the situation
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: rushes in. There's feat so there basically tearing strips off
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Zelenski and the Ukrainians for this. So hats off to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the Slovakia. Obviously he survived an assassination attempt arguably related
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to this very issue. Mike, So, I just find it
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: to be very rich, this kind of embracing of Ukraine,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: especially when they're behaving like this on the international stage,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: threatening to kill the presidents of China and Brazil if
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: they show up to Moscow for Victory Day. I mean,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it's unbelievable. Where is the condemnation from British heads of state,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: from French, from European, from Vonderlin, from the US head
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: of state. Trump didn't say anything against this. I mean,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: it would have been great if the US Senate representative
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to the victory Day, but that might be a bridge
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: too far. So anyway, a lot to say and again
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a lot too to deal with. Here. There's some pictures there, obviously,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: there's the lineup some world leaders. Again, the pageantry, there's
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: putin embracing the North Korean military brass as well, so
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: for the role they played in the Kursk, the Battle
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: for Kursk as well. So they've taken losses on behalf
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of the Russian Federation. So some deep bonds and roots
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: are being forged as we speak.
• 23:26
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• 25:14
  Speaker 1: let's move back to war and well, the United States
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: has decided to announce that it wants to Britain to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: stay away from Asia and the South of China Sea
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and keep their focus on Europe. Now, this policy has
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: been communicated to the UK regime by this man, Albridge Colby.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: He is the US Undersecretary of State for Defense Policy,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and he is also expressed on happiness that Hms Prince
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: of Wales our illustrious aircraft carrier that the deployment that
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it's currently on includes time in the Pacific region. Now,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: he obviously doesn't understand that British ships tend to break
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: down in warm water, and so probably he doesn't have
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: that much to worry in this case. But anyway, this
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: is all about the narrative from the United States that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: European nations should take more responsibility for their own defense
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and security. Now, my personal view is that the hope
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: from some that the threat of Trump is enough to
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: get EU Defense Union over the line against the headwinds
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: of EU member state and transidence is still only a hope,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and it seems to have lost quite a bit of
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a momentum that it had in the weeks following the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Trump inauguration. But let's just remind ourselves of what JD.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Vance said back in the middle of last year, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: this is just a short excerpt, and he's talking about Israel,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the EU, and the United States and the relative rules
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Again, we don't want a broader regional war. We don't
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: want to get involved in a broader regional war. The
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: best way to do that is to ensure that Israel,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: with the Sunni nations, can actually police their own region
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: of the world. And that allows us to spend less
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: time and less recent verses on the Middle East and
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: focus more on East Asia in the same way that
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: we want our own allies to do the job in
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Europe so that we can focus on East Asia. I
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: think that the same is true of the Sunny Nations
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: in Israel in the Middle East. We want to focus
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: more on East Asia.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So that's absolutely clear. This has been a consistent message
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: from the United States four months, certainly from the Trump
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: side of the of the Isle. And you know, they're
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: very keen that everybody looks after their own part of
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the world because they want to focus on China and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: East Asia.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: That's a strategy of offshore balancing. And the US has
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: been trying to engineer this really since nine to eleven,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and that's not successfully. Of course, they've tried it with
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, with the warren Yemen under Obama. They've tried
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: it with proxy wars. So it's one of those things
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: that's easy to talk about, difficult to do. Still trying
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to cling to empire. The thing I'll quickly say, Mike
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: is he said Sunni Nations twice, right, so I mean
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: advance clueless, you know, trying to promote sectarianism. Basically, they're
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: not Sunny Nations, Okay, And he's trying to impose American
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Western sectarian narratives. And this is the exact type of
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: situation that shaped the al Qaeda takeover of Syria. Basically
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that we are seeing right now is this mindset in
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the West. Unfortunately, Vance has not you know, learned.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And the irony here is, if it could be called
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: an irony, of course, it's the extremist groups. The extremest
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Islamic groups around the world are Sunni groups.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: They are they happen to be, or they say they're Sunni,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: they're they're They're about as religious as any other wacky
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: religious fundamentalist extremist. But yeah, that's exactly again, playing into
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the sectarian narratives. It's sad to hear that, but unfortunately,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I hope they'll learn. I hope they'll do better going forward.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: But on the on the policy of everybody looking after
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: their own business, the US is going to get no
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: argument from Britain on that, as we've been highlighting for years,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: because Britain has been a key driver of European defense. Now,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: yesterday morning, Starmer was speaking at the London Defense Conference,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and we'll get to him in a second, but we're
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: going to begin with Poland's radaswav Sikorski, who's maybe the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: only EU politician who can rival the British for its
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: rabid Russophobia. He said, this.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: Improving European defense should not obviously come at the expense
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: of our commitment to nature and the unique role it
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: plays in the European security system. Therefore, instead of advocating
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: strategic autonomy for Europe, it is in my view better
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: to call it strategic harmony of the European Union and nature.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: It's really staggering to me how this point has to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: keep being made. There was never any question of European
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Defense Union replacing NATO. It was always the case in
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: every document that the you published on this topic, that
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: it would be a defense union within NATO. In other words,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: it would bring the European Commission onto the NATO Board
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: if you like, and as a formal participant. But anyway,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: as for Starmer, he simply lied through his teeth when
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: his presentation at that conference, Here's what he had to say.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The British people have already paid a price for Putin's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: aggression in Ukraine with rising bills and prices. Russia already
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: menaces our security. They've launched cyber attacks on our NHS,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: spread disinformation online, and we cannot forget, he said a
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: few years ago, a chemical weapons attack on our streets
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: in Salisbury in broad daylight, in the heart of England.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And in the coming months, sorry, in the coming weeks,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: he said, We're going to publish a first of its kind,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: root and branch strategic defense review. It will scrutinize every
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: aspect of defense to detas armand high we can best
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: meet the threats of the day and return Britain to
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: war fighting readiness. And I mean, really, how do we
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: do that? Where's he going to get the personnel? And
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: what's the need for this? And if he's talking about
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the cost of living crisis being driven by Russia, no
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: it isn't. It's being driven by him, his predecessors and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: undoubtedly his successors as well. It is absolutely a choice
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: that's been made to turn Britain back into war fighting readiness.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Explain to us how stretched. It's a stretch for me,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: but how the Russians are responsible for rising energy bills
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: in Britain and Europe? Did how did Russia pull that off?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Did they did they raise the prices? Did Russia are
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: they or was it our governments that sanctioned Russia and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: bought American LNG over the Atlantic for like four times
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the price that in the markets the fake markets run
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: out of the city of London. The middleman energy jacked
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: up the price the spot price I've got. Is it
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: them or is it putin? Because I don't know. I'm confused.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I want to believe, you want to believe care I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: want to believe here, but I just doesn't live. It
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't add up. But anyway, that's just me sometimes I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: get confused.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, and Dave, no, let's follow on that same sort
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: of thing, I suppose. But the announcement from Trump that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: while at daily being done with Yemen, what's going on.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Well over to this story. And so that's the question, Mike,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: this Trump truce with Yemen that's been announced or is
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: it really a surrender? Has the US surrendered to Yemen?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Or is this really a truth? Let's take a close
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: look at this. Trump ditched Israel with surprise. Who the truth?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: So that Israeli times, they're not happy about this at all,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Israeli media. That doesn't bode well on Iran. So they're
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a little bit worried about this shift that's going on
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: with Trump's playing another little sort of Kansas City shuffle
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: here maybe with Yemen. But here's what the BBC have
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: to say. And to their credit, mic the who he's
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: saying the US back down and Israel not covered by ceasefires.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: So this ceasefire agreement between Trump and the Yemenis doesn't
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: mean that Trump's saying don't attack. He's not saying don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: attack Israel. So Israel's not covered in the ceasefire. So
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the BBC actually say back down. I was shocked. So
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: it's almost like the BBC is getting involved in some
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: little bit of truthful inferences here. Not much, but it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: something anyway. So and we go on here. Just remember
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: we published this hornet going off, going off the USS
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Harry Truman into the Red Sea because it was evading
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: a hoothy missile strike. And that was weird, okay, but
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: it was even more weird than it happened. Again, a
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: second fighter crashes into the sea after a landing failure.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Quote unquote, sixty seven million dollar aircraft there lost in
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the Red Sea. So that's two. Okay, there's another one
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: as well, a little bit earlier. But all these losses
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: are racking up, and I'm now questioning, Mike, was it
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: a coincidence or did any of these actually get shot down? Well,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: let's think about that for a moment. Let's let's look
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: at this once again. I think we somehow, okay, just
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: went into anyway back to if we bring back to
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the camera now. But while we go through those slides,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: so we're trying to add up basically what this is
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: all happened, what this means in the sense of where
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: the US is at on this. So we'll go back
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: to back on screen here. So if we add all
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: these losses up here, and here's the Yemeni's dancing on
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: an American flag. There somewhere in Yemen, there's Pete hegg Seth,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the US Secretary of War, donning his tattoos, his many tattoos.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: But let's look at this. This is what he's responsible for.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Hegg Seth US losses so far against Yemen. Yemen's answer
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: a lah Aka the Hoho Thies shot down at least
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: seven US Reaper drones worth more than two hundred million dollars.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: That's on the conservative side there, and US lost two
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: FA eighteen Super Hornet jet fighters again collectively worth over
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars. There total costs for this are
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: well over a billion. This operation six weeks of air
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: strikes here, so the USS Harry Truman damaged after near
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: miss by Youthy missile, so there's also reports of damage.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Are we getting the full story about what has happened
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: in the Red Sea or the US covering up that
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: they've actually had planes manned plane shot down, or that
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: their USS Harry Truman aircraft carrier has actually been hit.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: So it is a good question because the third one,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the one that happened before Christmas, that was supposedly a
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: friendly fire incident where it was shot down by one
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: of the carrier support ships, is what the official story was.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I would question that was that actually were they shot
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: down by the Hoothies twice three times? Or are we
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: looking at coincidences here or just massive incompetence or negligence whatever.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And the Red Sea shipping has been halted.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Israel's Bengeren Airport is also shut down after Houthi strikes.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: To look at this, this is the most US military
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: combat losses in this sort of window. Then, I think
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: anything I've ever seen in my life against one of
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the poorest countries in the world. So for Pete Hegseth,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: it's not a good look. It's not a good look
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: at all. So I think he's going to resign or
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: be fired pretty soon. So we'll see. I think we
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: got caught in the same loop right again. So we'll
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: have to go. We'll wait and we'll try to advance
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the slides for a moment. Sorry about the technical difficulties,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: but anyway, what we'll bring on to the screen in
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: a moment when we try to rescue this segment which
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: is actually a train wreck, but we'll try to rescue it.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Here this is a timeline of events. So here we are.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: This is this is what you need to pay attention to.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: The US first March fifteenth, six week long bombing campaign
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: on Yemen. Okay, after that, three days later, Israel ends
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: at ceasefire in Gaza, resumes the genocide that was March eighteenth,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and then after that, US nuclear US Iran NUCLETAR talks
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: begin on April eleventh, and Yemen hits shuts down Bengarian
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Airport on May fourth in Tel Aviv, the United States
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: or the Sorry Israel starts Operation Gideon's chariot to seize Gaza,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the whole of Gaza on May sixth, that was just
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: this past week. And Israel attacks Yemen destroys Sanna Airport
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: in response to the Bengurian missile strike by Yemen that
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: was on May seventh, and after that, Trump calls for
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: a quote truce with Yemen on May eighth, So I
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: think there's to me a clear pattern of what's happening here.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: And then Trump sidelines Nettignahu incommune nuications will show you
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: some details of that in a moment. Trump's going to
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: visit the Gulf States, not Israel, next week. So you
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: see the progression of events here. It's looking very clear
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: at what's going on. Israel attacking Yemen during a US
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: operation I think might have been a final straw for
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Trump with Israel. So I don't know if there was
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: deconfliction there, how much cooperation or support Israeli's had by
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the US, or how much permission, what was the conversation, Like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: clearly the whole thing is a shambles, basically evidence by
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: the fact Trump is announced to truce with Yemen, which
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't include Israel. So that's the part that I think
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: This is worth noting here. So Trump is quote losing patients.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: This is the cradle. Multiple media reports have said this
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: as well advance as US plans without Israeli involvement. That
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: is serious break from before Trump sidelines Netignahu in Middle
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: East policy as relations deteriorate. This is from the Israeli
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: press again right here, And so we'll look at the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: where this one story came from is right here. Yan
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Year's Cozin or yan Year Cozen. He is the diplomatic
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: correspondent for Israeli Army Radio, and he basically said that
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Trump the Trump's team were upset because Ron Dermer, who
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: is Netiyah, who's chief aid, basically said Trump needs to
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: do this and so forth. It's in this tweet here,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and so Trump's inner circle warned him that net Yahoo
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: is manipulating the American president, and the characterization deeply displeased Trump,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: given that Trump hates nothing more than appearing to be manipulated.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: So serious problems here between net Nyahu's office and Trump.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It looks like things are basically going not well at all.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Trump cuts off communication with Nenyaw, direct communication. He's meeting
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: net Yah who's chief aid, but not Netanyahu. He's not
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: going to Israel next week. He's going to the Gulf States,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: going to the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Katar, and not
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: to Israel.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So what do you think Netanyahu's response is going to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: be to this. Is he going to say, well, don't care,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: or is he is he going to actually, I mean,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: is this Trump just doing his usual efforts to try
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to force people or encourage people, let's say, to take
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: certain actions.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I think Trump Trump wants to see results in some
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: of these things, because it's been one hundred days they
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: haven't really got any real tangible results. A lot of
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: talk on Gaza and Ukraine and the Iran nuclear situation
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: he wants and Israel seems to be standing in the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: way of the progress. So the problem is Israel. You
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: can't blame the Palestinians anymore, they can't blame the Russians,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: they can't blame the Iranians. The problem on all of
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: these fronts is Israel. Israel is impeding progress for the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Trump administration to get anything done. And that is the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: big takeaway.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Patrick, thank you for that. Okay, Mark,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: let's well be back to the program and well, we're
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: going to talk about fluoride and fluoride in the water system.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me preface my remarks by mentioning that fluoride
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: in the water system and the deterioration of our soils,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: glyphosate coming out of the Monsano roundup product, and of
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: course mRNA injections the JAB are really all part of
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: this corporate government juggernaut that has been degrading human health
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: for a very long time. So you could look at
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: fluoride in a way that would be similar to the
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: way you'd look at mRNA injections. There are these government
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: experiments that are declared to be miracles, and yet they
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: have this seriously ugly underbelly. Anyway, it's important to take
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Patrick was doing just a minute ago to take stock
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: of things. Utah. Let's see this one. Let's show this headline.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Utah becomes the first state to ban fluoride in its
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: water in terms of statewide and there following concerns raised
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: by HHS Secretary RFK Junior, and this is according to
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: the BBC that the mineral floride poses potential health risks.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: The Yukah Governor Spencer Cox signed the ban into law
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: this week. It took effect just two days ago May seventh.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Other states, including Florida and Ohio, are weighing similar legislation.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Floride has been added to US drinking water since nineteen
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: forty five. Speaking of eightieth anniversaries, right moving on from there,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Florida did something very pivotal. They've become the second state
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: to ban fluoride in public drinking water. This is dated
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: three days ago and this comes from Children's Health Defense,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: and Governor DeSantis said Florida is ending floridation because, quote,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: when you do this in the water supply, you're taking
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: away choices of people who may not want to have
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: over exposures. And let's move on and outline this a
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: little bit more. Florida Governor run to Santus on the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: sixth of May said he'll sign the bill banning the
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: addition of floride to public drinking water, making Florida the
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: second state statewide to do this, and this ban will
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: take effect July first. There's a little bit of a
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: concern there. This has happened with laws to restrict abortion.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: They advance a wide timeline before a law will take effect,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: and it provides an opportunity for pro fluoride forces, the
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: American Dental Association, etc. The file lawsuits and then kind
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: of bottlenecked these legislation, this legislation, this sort of legislation
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: from taking effect at any rate. The Florida Bill is
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Senate Bill seven hundred, also known as the Florida Farmbill.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: It passed the state House by a wopping eighty eight
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: to twenty seven, a pretty good mandate there in the
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: State House in Tallahassee. Sending the bill to the governor's desk.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: We got a couple quotes from DeSantis that outline this
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: pretty well. When you do this in the water supply,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: you're taking away a choice of someone who may not
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: want over exposure to fluoride. He's enunciating, enunciating a very
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: important principle there. Even if fluoride was the greatest thing
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: in the world, you still don't have the right to
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: mass medicate everyone through the common water supply because not
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: everyone has the same tolerances. Not everyone should even have
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: fluoride to begin with. Even aspirin can be good for
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: some people and bad for others. So the principle of
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: fluoride has always been wrong. I mean, if human immunity
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: is a problem. Why not put vitamin C in the water? Right?
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: If people are depressed, why not put prozac in the
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: common water? That would be the same wrong principle at
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: any rate. There's one other quote from mister DeSantis that's
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: worth putting up. We don't want local governments unilaterally injecting
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: a chemical into the water supply and exposing people to
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: potentially harmful side effects. Another important principle there. What's the
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: point in pointing out fluoride's hazards things like that, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: making some good strides in this issue and having a
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: statewide moratorium on these things if local governments then have
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the local authority to put the fluoride in anyway. So
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: it's very important to have a blanket law within the
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: state so you don't have these renegade localities putting this
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: dangerous chemical according to many in the public common water supply. Now,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: other US towns and counties that have already banned water
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: floridation on the local or regional level. We got Portland, Oregon, Wichita, Kansas,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: something called the Brushy Creek Municipal Utility District in Texas,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: State College Pennsylvania where there's a major university there, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: parts of South Carolina. So in other words, the US
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: is still rather heavily fluoridated. Now in the UK, we
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: might want to show this slide here. It helps outline
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: what you got on your side of the pond fluoride
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: and drinking water. This is according to a source called
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: pure H two O UK, where added fluoride is brought
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: up to one milligram per leader in the UK. That's
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: one part fluoride to one million parts water. The UK
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: sets the maximum levels at one point five milligrams per
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: leader in line with World Health Organization guidance. And I
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't totally aware that the WHO weighed in on that.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: And I did find also a map of England, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: this is interesting, This comes from the UK government itself.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: The dark blue areas are where there are direct deliberate
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: fluoridation schemes. And you can see that Birmingham right in
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: the middle of the country kind of the lower center
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: of England is heavily fluoridated. You got Lincoln. People can
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: look at this map, of course they can freeze the frame.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: It'll be in the show notes how to look at
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: this and up north Newcastle area there's quite a bit
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: of fluoridation. Then the lighter blue. Limited areas is where
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: there's naturally occurring fluoride at levels greater than zero point
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: five milligram, so an important and informative thing there. It's
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: interesting to note we can show this too. This comes
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: from from the same spot in the UK government website.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: This is from twenty twenty. In terms of coverage, what
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: are known as the West Midlands is the most extensively
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: floridated area, followed by parts of the northeast of England.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: But get this, there are no floridation schemes in Scotland,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: none in Wales and none in Northern Ireland. However, there
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: are some localized areas of naturally occurring fluoride in the water,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: so that gives a reasonable outline of this issue. I'll
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: mention that viewers might want to stick around for Extra.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: There's a short video that explains a crucial distinction here
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: between naturally occurring fluoride and the man made fluoride compounds
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: that come from manufacturingmingum things like that, So stay tuned
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: for that, a very important distinction to be made.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, thanks for that, and yeah, we'll be
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: showing that video clip in extra. Now let's move on
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: to the Online Safety Act, And yesterday the Wikimedia Foundation
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: announced that it is challenging the lawfulness of one of
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the new elements of the Online Safety Act, and by
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: that they're talking about as offcom starts to roll out
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: the various regimes, the various frameworks to actually implement parts
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: of the Online Safety Act, and they're focusing this is
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Wikimedia Foundation is focusing on the element of the Online
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Safety Act that determines which dudies a website has under
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the law. And they're complaining specifically about the aspects of
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the Act and also something that we've been highlighting since
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the Online Harms white Paper was originally published in twenty seventeen,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and that's the broad brush lack of definition of terms.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: So basically, because terms remain so ill or undefined, they
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: can be taken to mean virtually anything. And the issue
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: that Wikipedia is upset about. Wikipedia is upset about is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the categorization of services, so to quote them a little
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: bit here, they're saying the Foundation is challenging the Online
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Safety Arts categorization regulations, which are written broadly enough that
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: they could place Wikipedia as a Category one service a
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: platform I posing the highest possible level of risk to
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the public. Now, I personally view Wikipedia as you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: absolutely being one of the highest risk websites that's out there.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that in a second, no doubt. Now,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Wikipedia goes on to say that they simply do not
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: operate like other Category one sites. Someone reading or an
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: online encyclopedia article about a historical figure or cultural landmark
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: is not exposed to the same level of risk as
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: someone scrolling on social media. Again, we'll talk about that
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: in the second find additions sole objective. They say they
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: still allow people to participate in the creation dissemination of
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: verifiable knowledge. The Category one duties threaten that, for example,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: by disempowering users who wish to keep their identities private.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Now this is ironic, I'm going to suggest in a sense,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: because I'm certain that many, if not all, the voices
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: behind Wikipedia have been at front of the queue for
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: people calling for the removal of anonymous posting on some
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: other sites on the Internet. I mean, there certainly have
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: been promoting the continuing anonymization of some people posting content
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: and Wikipedia itself. But anyway, they're bringing this issue to
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: judicial review, and they say they've asked for expedited hearings
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: because they're already under pressure from offcome to provide information
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: under the new regime, and they say that as part
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: sorry as the UK government works to protect the public
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: from harms of the Internet, So they are acknowledging that
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the Internet is harmful. We hope it is also prioritiz
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: is the protecting of the best parts of the Internet
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: public interest projects like Wikipedia that uplift civil society and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: promote access to free and open knowledge online. Except Patrick,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: it's not free and open is it. For example, nobody
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: still has admitted who Philip Cross is. And this is
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: really the point. There is so much information on Wikipedia
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: which is disinformation, which is certainly opinionated in ways that
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the Wikimedia Foundation would argue that Wikipedia shouldn't be and
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: has been targeting many people who are providing resistance to
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the war narratives and to a host of other narratives
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that are right there. And this question of Philip Cross,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I think is one that's absolutely in the public interest.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Well, most of the obviously overwhelming amount of information on
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Wikipedia mic is of great use to the public and
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: is a great free resource, and I agree with all
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: of that. However, it's also been inu used the Philip
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Cross scandal. You could have a situation here with the
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: same government that's pushing online harms legislations, also the same
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: government whose security services are abusing Wikipedia's editorial and gaming
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the editorial process at Wikipedia to to fame and to
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: libel and to smear independent journalists and other opposition voices
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: to foreign policy issues right across the entire spectrum of media.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And that's what that scandal is all about, Mike. So
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: again I just have to go back to this point, Mike,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: is the Internet really harmful or has the government somehow
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: changed its view of the internet, Because last time I checked,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: the Internet's been around since the mid nineties, and you know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: mum's forums and baby forums and stuff like that had
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: been going for thirty years, Mike, thirty years. All of
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: a sudden, it's now dangerous and needs to be a
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Category one risk to public safety. I mean, it's kind
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: of patently ridiculous. There must be better way to deal
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: with these issues than to start doing mass censorship.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Well, look, the fact of the matter is Patrick that
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the issues that are considered harmful on whether it be suicide, terrorism,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: these issues are societal issues, and all you're doing by
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: censoring them is treating a symptom. Again, you're not dealing
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: with the underlying societal problem which is causing this in
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: the first place, because, of course many of these things
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: are tools of the state in and of themselves, and
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: so you know that there's a whole discussion around that
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: which undoubtedly will go into more depth and EXTRA.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: If they put this much attention on the fact that
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: our society is so over medicated with antidepressant medication, and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: that the harms, the real harms that that and the
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: suicides that that leads to, they put half the energy
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: into regulating and dealing with that problem as they do
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: on the internet and censoring speech on the internet, we
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: might actually be getting somewhere well.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: And date mark sticking with the media and so on.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Let's move to the United States on the press Corps.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: This issue, of course, I had mentioned briefly in EXTRA
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: a few newscasts ago, and I wanted to get into
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: a little more depth. It's obviously an issue that can
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: be looked at in an ongoing fashion. This first slide
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: actually indicates that the welcoming of new media voices into
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: the White House actually started to a degree in Trump's
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: first term. This is from twenty twenty one the Epic Times.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Trump's favorite cult propaganda machine, according to Presenza, was supporting
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: the White House and how US anti COVID efforts have
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: been derailed Part three. So this figure, this personality shown
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: here for Epic Times. He was compared by this publication
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Presenza compared to Joseph Gerbels a bit unfair, I would say.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: At any rate, we also.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Have Pointer News pointing out forgive the pun meet the
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: thirty two media new media outlets. The White House has
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: invited to its press pool for decades. The White House
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Correspondence Association, the independent nonprofit is the organizations that's that's
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: been determining the makeup of the press pool. That changed.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: The pivotal point was February twenty fifth of this year,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: when the White House Press team took control of the
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: pool in an effort to quote give power back to
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: the people end quote, according to White House Press Secretary
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: of Carolyn Levitt, and we have a quote I believe
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: from her, it's beyond time. She said that the White
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: House press operation reflects the media habits of the American
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: people in twenty twenty five, not nineteen twenty five. She
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: said a select group of DC based journalists should no
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: longer have a monopoly over the privilege of press access
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: to the White House. She was recently quoted as saying, now,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: going beyond those slides, I did a little bit more research.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting and eclectic mix going on at the
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: White House, gentlemen. Just for example, there's even think tanks.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: There's the America First Policy Institute, which is more like
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: a think tank than a press outlet. There's Global strat View,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: which describes itself as a media think tank hybrid. There's Notice,
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: otherwise known as News of the United States. They did
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: publish some articles about Trump's tariffs and about the Maryland
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Senator Chris van Holland trying to help that El Salvador guy.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: They published a couple critical stories of the Trump administration
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: on those topics, and they are admitted as part of
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: the new press pool there and so on and so forth,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: and on the good side of the Ledger, most of
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: the new media there are going to have an opposite view,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: largely compared to the mainstream media on climate change, an
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: opposite view compared to the legacy media. On the border,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: open border, close border, an opposite view largely compared to
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: the mainstream media on the efficacy and safety of vaccines,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: less say. But on the other hand, of course, we
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: have the Israel factor, and most, I wouldn't say all,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: but most of the new media are pretty strongly pro Israel.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Some of this might be kissing up to the Trump
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: administration just to get a seat at the table. That
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: dynamic is pretty much unavoidable. It's going to happen. But
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: you also have the Daily Wire by Ben Shapiro. Of course,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: he's pretty rapidly pro Israel, and he's done a lot
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: of stories that have been trumpeting the idea that Trump
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: is signing executive orders to deport what the Daily Wire
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: calls anti Semitic foreign students and protesters. Of course, there's
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: a major irony there. You got free speech enhanced perhaps
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: by the new media at the White House, but then
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: some of that new media turns around and cancels the
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: free speech and assembly rights of protesters that are protesting
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: the Israeli treatment of Gaza. And you also have other networks.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: As we wind this up, we have the Eternal Word
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: television network, the Catholic news outlet that has been critical
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: of Israeli bombing of Gaza because they violate Catholic traditional
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: just war principles as they've been known throughout history. But
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: then on the other hand you have the Christian Broadcasting
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Network founded by Pat Robertson that's very very pro Israel.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: And then lastly, I'll mention that another interesting dynamic is
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: the news outlet that's allowed in the press of the
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: New Presspool. That one of the new entities in the presspool.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: They're called Semaphore, and they're actually mainstream legacy journalists that
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: quit their regular jobs and formed a new news organization
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: and they have a founder and CEO, Justin Smith, who's
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: a lifetime member of the Council on Foreign Relations as
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  Speaker 3: part of the New Press Pool. So it's an eclectic mix,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: and the Israeli factor is kind of the where the
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: pivot point is. But it's a mixed bag. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of advantages. It is a good move toward free speech.
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  Speaker 3: On the other hand, there's a lot of nuance there.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe we can go a little bit more on
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  Speaker 3: this and extra So.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, Thanks definitely, Yeah, okay, and let's finish Patrick
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  Speaker 1: with Jonathan Cook.
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  Speaker 2: This is interesting. I think people will get a kick
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  Speaker 2: out of this as well. So this is Amnesty International
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five of People's Choice Awards for journalists. There,
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  Speaker 2: and there's the pantheon of you know, I guess you
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  Speaker 2: could say left wing journalists that Amnesty's membership shortlist based
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  Speaker 2: on votes by Amnesty UK members. Here, let's take a
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  Speaker 2: look at these, because there's one journalist in here, Mike
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  Speaker 2: on this, one journalist that I would vote for. Take
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  Speaker 2: a wild guess who it is, don't say it. We'll
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  Speaker 2: go through the list here. Let's bring the list up here.
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  Speaker 2: These are the nominees for Amnesty International's you know, top
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  Speaker 2: independent journalists here. Owen Jones, Okay, Owen Jones. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure about that. I'm going to cross him out. I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: think he's a bit of a deep state hill actually,
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy Bowen is he BBC. Yeah, yeah, absolutely yes, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to cross him off there, disqualified. Neserene Malik
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  Speaker 2: actually looked up her work. She works for The Guardian.
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  Speaker 2: She actually does some very good journalism, so I like her.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to leave her on my list. Lisa Ducett
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  Speaker 2: BBC bit spooky, perhaps a bit spooky. Fergo Fergo Keane
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  Speaker 2: Trusted Voice of You know the major networks. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think so. Patrick Cockburn actually an excellent journalist, great career,
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  Speaker 2: stellar I'm going to leave him on the short list.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Cook, of course, needs no introduction. Jonathan Cook is
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  Speaker 2: one of the top journalists I think independent on Palestine,
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  Speaker 2: former Guardian left. Got shunned by the Guardian, so he's
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of street credit. George Mombiat I preemptively
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  Speaker 2: crossed him out, so it's not to traumatic, not to
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  Speaker 2: traumatize anybody in the audience, but George Mombiat is an
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  Speaker 2: absolute deep state shill. He is everything that is bad
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  Speaker 2: about mainstream media. George Mombiat embodies it. So how he
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  Speaker 2: gets on these lists is just beyond me. Ash Sarker
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  Speaker 2: and Michael Walker Navarro Media. I'm not sure about Navarro Media.
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  Speaker 2: They seem to be very politicized. So again I put
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: a little radioactive warning on Mombiat. I'm Navario has done
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: some good work on Palestine on that issue, so I'm
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: on the fence there. But let's look at those here.
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  Speaker 2: The one that I'm going to back on this is
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Cook. So I'm going to say go to his
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  Speaker 2: substack page, folks and take a look at his work there.
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  Speaker 2: It's absolutely brilliant. He is one of the really true
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  Speaker 2: independent media journalists out there. There's Jonathan up on screen.
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  Speaker 2: He's based in the UK now he's been in the
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  Speaker 2: West Bank for many years. His work is stellar. Some
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: of his recent work is this one he's done here
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: basically on Simon sebag Montefury and Simon Schlauma, calling them
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  Speaker 2: a shilling for Israel's genocide and they must be outed.
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  Speaker 2: And this is an amazing piece that he's done. This
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  Speaker 2: is one of the best things I've read in a while.
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  Speaker 2: So again, go to Jonathan Cook's substack. Support Jonathan, but
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  Speaker 2: more importantly here vote for Jonathan. Go to this there's
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  Speaker 2: a urol at the bottom, Amnesty dot org UK. It'll
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  Speaker 2: be in the show notes. Listen. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: push my choices on you guys, but vote for Jonathan Cook,
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  Speaker 2: because if it's about integrity and great journalism and somebody
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  Speaker 2: who is just totally unwavering in his principles, there's no contest.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the other Patrick Coburn and some of the
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  Speaker 2: others are excellent journalists, but Jonathan Cook has basically distinguished himself.
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  Speaker 2: After October seventh, especially but throughout his whole career, there's
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  Speaker 2: really nobody else that you can really, I think, vote
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  Speaker 2: for it. If it comes to independent journalism, please, I
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  Speaker 2: think we need to get involved. Make sure we get
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Cook over the finish line, folks.
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  Speaker 1: He certainly deserves to come well ahead of least to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: seven Jeremy Bourne at the very least, so yes, vote
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  Speaker 1: for him. Okay, we got to leave it there for today.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Patrick and Mark. Thanks everyone for watching.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be back for extra in a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Join us, then bye bye,