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TV-MOVIE-STAR HAYDEN PANETTIERE DEAD, ARRESTS COMING? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, a TV and movie star.
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Speaker 1: The Beautiful Hayden Panettier Dead arrests coming good evening. I
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Speaker 1: Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Emergency responders arrived at an apartment complex in Greenville, South
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Speaker 2: Carolina after a nine to one one call reported a
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Speaker 2: person in cardiac arrest just before two pm on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Life support was performed, but actress Hayden Panetier was pronounced
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Speaker 2: dead at the scene.
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Speaker 3: Everyone for cardiac arrests the law seven.
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Speaker 4: Year one Ashley Bridge Road Departments one minute were swing
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Speaker 4: Eisley Bridge.
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Speaker 2: Road Overdose, CPRS and progress.
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Speaker 5: I am Hayden Pannetier and my new memoir, This is
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Speaker 5: Me A Reckoning is available now read or listen on
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Speaker 5: Apple Books.
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Speaker 1: Straight Out to Rob Shooter joining us, star of Not
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Speaker 1: Even Nice podcast at Robshooter dot substack dot com, and
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Speaker 1: he is the author of a brand new book which
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Speaker 1: is climbing the charts on Amazon.
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Speaker 6: It started with a whisper, Rob Shooter.
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Speaker 1: Any death such as this, of course is a tragedy,
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Speaker 1: but it's highlighted tonight. Her cod cause of death and
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Speaker 1: why why and who enabled her death. Let's start with
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Speaker 1: who is Hayden.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Hayden Panetea is a child actress who went on
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Speaker 7: to great success. She's been working in the business for decades.
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Speaker 7: She's loved, but she's also a very interesting character because
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Speaker 7: she's been very, very open about her struggles in a
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Speaker 7: way that a lot of actors and actresses are not.
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Speaker 7: Her memoir came as just a few months ago, and
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Speaker 7: she details how difficulty it was transitioning from being a
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Speaker 7: child actor into an adult actor. She detailed her substance
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Speaker 7: abuse issues, her issues with alcohol. She really told the
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Speaker 7: world who she was beyond the superstar, the actress that
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Speaker 7: we all thought we loved.
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Speaker 5: By the time I was five. I was on a
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Speaker 5: soap opera by four years old, and it said just never.
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Speaker 5: It never stopped, and it was it was every moment
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Speaker 5: on set. I didn't care about anybody else's opinion but
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Speaker 5: my mom's, because I knew that if she was unhappy
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Speaker 5: with my performance in any way, that the rest of
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Speaker 5: the day was going to ruin. Yes, it was going
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Speaker 5: to be a very bad day. I also wasn't expecting
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Speaker 5: the reaction that I got, which was you owe me
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Speaker 5: and that's all she said, and she walked out, and
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Speaker 5: part of me was like, oh, I'm relieved that it
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Speaker 5: was it was short, like ripped the band aid off.
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Speaker 7: But then it was like this, this.
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Speaker 5: Dark looming cloud, you know, over my head, going what
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Speaker 5: does she mean by I owe her? What form of
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Speaker 5: payment is she expecting? And it was disappointing to find
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Speaker 5: out that it was money. And it went from being
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Speaker 5: a kid and having to imagine just that your pet
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Speaker 5: passed away or something. But then as I got older,
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Speaker 5: the imagery became darker and darker and darker, and the
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Speaker 5: emotion that I had to hold within me in order
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Speaker 5: to get those trigger tears going, and it became harder
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Speaker 5: and harder to jump out of it. And I didn't
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Speaker 5: know where my character started and where I ended.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars. Hayden Panetier describing how she was pushed
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Speaker 1: and pushed and pushed and had to as a child,
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Speaker 1: conjured up images of her pet dead to evoke tears
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Speaker 1: or else face the wrath of others, including her own family,
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Speaker 1: from our friends at CBS and on Purpose with Jay
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Speaker 1: Shetty to Eileen Reslin joining us Senior Showbiz Exclusives Reporter
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Speaker 1: Daily Mail.
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Speaker 6: What happened, who, what, where? When? Why?
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Speaker 8: Sadly, Hayden was found unresponsive on Sunday in an apartment
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Speaker 8: in Greenville, South Carolina. Paramedics they tried to perform life
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Speaker 8: saving measures and according to the nine to one dispatch call,
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Speaker 8: they found that there were some cardiac arrests and a
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Speaker 8: possible overdose.
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Speaker 1: Eileen Reslin hold on right there, Eileen joining us from
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Speaker 1: Daily Mail. She is their senior showbiz exclusives reporter. Why
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Speaker 1: would you say cardiac arrest potential OD What led them
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Speaker 1: on the scene, Because if you misdiagnosed on the scene
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Speaker 1: and there is a chance to save the victim, you've
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Speaker 1: screwed the pooch because you'll be treating in an emergency,
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Speaker 1: critical moment, you'll be treating for the wrong thing. What
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Speaker 1: made them think on the spot, oh, she's a celeb overdose?
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Speaker 9: Well, there were two factors.
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Speaker 8: First, there was an acquaintance that made a phone call
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Speaker 8: that reported something along the lines of an overdose for
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Speaker 8: a cardiac arrest. And then when they arrived on the scene,
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Speaker 8: it's been reported from another outlet, TNZ, that they found
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Speaker 8: narcan on a mattress that had been used on an individual.
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Speaker 6: Hold on.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Eileen, I want to hear every where you're saying,
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Speaker 1: but you got me drinking out of the fire hydrant.
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Speaker 1: You give me so many facts, and I need to
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Speaker 1: analyze each one of them. Because Renee Rockwell joining me
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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. I've seen
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Speaker 1: her in action. You can find her on FB at
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Speaker 1: Renee dot rockway Well. Renee, every fact could be probative,
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Speaker 1: and I've often used this example.
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Speaker 6: There was a serial killer I.
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Speaker 1: Tried got him on one and one ear ring from
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Speaker 1: the victim was in a particular location which led me
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Speaker 1: to the point of her kidnap, which is at the
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Speaker 1: Marty station downtown. That said that one thing, she had
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Speaker 1: one earring yanked out of her ear, her ear was sliced,
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Speaker 1: the other earring was still on her when her body
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Speaker 1: was found out.
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Speaker 6: In a field.
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Speaker 1: One fact, one fact can change everything. For instance, Eileen
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Speaker 1: Resin just stated narkan was found on the scene, which
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Speaker 1: is many people believe the antidote to an overdose like
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Speaker 1: a fentanyl overdose, Isn't it true, Renee? In cases you've
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Speaker 1: tried one thing, it could be a bush right. One
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Speaker 1: time I went to a crime scene where the defense
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Speaker 1: said we saw so, and.
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Speaker 6: So I'm like, did you? And I went to the
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Speaker 6: location and there was a whole grove of bushes. You
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Speaker 6: couldn't pause. They were six feet all.
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Speaker 1: You couldn't possibly have seen what they said they saw,
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Speaker 1: all right, So one thing can change everything.
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Speaker 9: And Nancy, you're saying something interesting. They are treating this
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Speaker 9: as a homicide investigation. The police officers are going to
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Speaker 9: come in, they're going to process the scene. They're gonna
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Speaker 9: preserve everything. They're gonna take all devices, telephones, iPads, they're
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Speaker 9: gonna even take the Xbox and the PlayStations, and they're
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Speaker 9: gonna want to talk to everybody there. So what's my advice?
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Speaker 9: You better lawyer up because they're coming for you.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you say lawyer up, you better lawyer up.
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Speaker 1: Truer words were never never spoken, Renee. But who are
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Speaker 1: you talking about. This isn't a shooting, this isn't a stabbing,
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Speaker 1: a strangulation.
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Speaker 6: Who do you think she'd lawyer up?
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Speaker 9: Nancy? The only person that is not a suspect at
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Speaker 9: this time is Hayden. Everybody that is there, everybody that
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Speaker 9: was there, they're going to be pulling ring cameras. Everybody
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Speaker 9: that was there all the day before, all day that day,
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Speaker 9: they're going to be questioned, and they better not say
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Speaker 9: anything that is untrue. In my book, they say nothing.
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Speaker 1: When you say everybody that went in, you are talking
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Speaker 1: about the dorman. You're talking about a potential cleaning person.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about a dog walker, you're talking about an assistant,
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Speaker 1: you're talking about a boyfriend.
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Speaker 6: None of these people are suspects.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you people I would be looking at. Is
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Speaker 1: that we're talking about the same people.
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Speaker 9: Who is the facilitator? Where did the drugs come from?
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Speaker 9: If this is an overdose, Noarcan is not going to
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Speaker 9: just be on the scene, Nancy. If somebody had a
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Speaker 9: reaction to some type of prescription medication, unless of course
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Speaker 9: it had heroin or fentanyl in it, and that's what
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Speaker 9: the police are going to be looking for, and a
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Speaker 9: statement from somebody that could be involved.
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Speaker 10: She was corrupted by greed and lack of concern for others.
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Speaker 10: These people who use drugs to have control over others.
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Speaker 10: It's like they're creeping through a window in another person's house,
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Speaker 10: taking the diamonds outut of the safe going and just
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Speaker 10: gloating over the diamonds that they've gotten. They don't care
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Speaker 10: about the house, they don't care about the people in it,
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Speaker 10: they don't care about the neurobiology of addiction, and they
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Speaker 10: don't really care about the wave of devastation that goes
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Speaker 10: outward in this person's life. Matthew Perry had many people
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Speaker 10: who love him. The public love him. It's wide spe
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Speaker 10: spread devastation that you know. Sonya really didn't really care
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Speaker 10: about that. She just wanted to lead you, Martini, and
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Speaker 10: that was it.
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Speaker 11: The two lead defendants in this case are defendants Salvador
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Speaker 11: Placentia and defendant Jesseviin Sanya. Defendant Placentia was a medical doctor.
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Speaker 11: He worked with another medical doctor, defendant Mark Chavez, to
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Speaker 11: obtain ketemine. He then worked with mister Perry's live in assistant,
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Speaker 11: defendant Kenneth Iwamasa, to distribute that ketamine to mister Perry.
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Speaker 11: Sonya and the broker defendant Fleming, saw this as an
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Speaker 11: opportunity to profit off of mister Perry. She sold approximately
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Speaker 11: fifty vials of ketamine for proximately eleven thousand dollars in cash.
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Speaker 11: She worked with a broker defendant Eric Fleming, and also
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Speaker 11: the live in assistant defendant Iwamasa to distribute this ketemine.
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Speaker 1: Let me refresh everyone's recollection his high flying luxury supplier,
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Speaker 1: the so called ketemine queen, the one you're seeing on
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Speaker 1: private jets and with all of her luxury goods.
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Speaker 6: I mean, look at this woman, Well, she's the devil.
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Speaker 1: She and the quote loyal assistant who left Matthew Perry
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Speaker 1: to die in his hot tub were charged, Rob Shooter,
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Speaker 1: who is the Ketemine Queen?
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Speaker 7: Kedemy Queen came to fame for the public during the
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Speaker 7: Matthew Perry case. However, people in Hollywood knew her name
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Speaker 7: for a very long time. She was ultimately the number one,
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Speaker 7: the most exclusive drug dealer in Hollywood. She did not
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Speaker 7: deal drunks on the street.
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Speaker 1: She had let's say, put these words in the same sentence,
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Speaker 1: the most exclusive drug dealer.
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Speaker 6: Did you put those in the same sentence? Shooter?
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Speaker 10: Did?
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Speaker 7: Let me explain why? Let me tell you why. People
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Speaker 7: are on the street who want to you better talk best.
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Speaker 1: I don't care who's pr guru you are. Have you
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Speaker 1: ever met Paneteer Hayden Paneteer the Star, Yeah, I.
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Speaker 7: Have I met her several times, and yeah, five, six,
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Speaker 7: seven times I met.
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Speaker 1: Her, And what was your impression, Rob Shooter?
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Speaker 7: She was charming. She was charming, She was funny, she
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Speaker 7: was witty, she was talented. She had a big heart.
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Speaker 7: She was very open about all her problems. She was
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Speaker 7: a little disappointed with where her creo was, which is
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Speaker 7: why she was meeting with people like me. She also, too,
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Speaker 7: I believe, had some financial issues. There's lots of concerns
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Speaker 7: about paying for her team. And so when you look
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Speaker 7: at these big Hollywood stars, you think they have it all,
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Speaker 7: they have a lot. But she also too had a
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Speaker 7: lot of demons. That was very very clear, Nancy, she
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Speaker 7: had demons.
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Speaker 1: Rob, You just described a beautiful, genuine, talented.
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Speaker 12: Woman with all.
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Speaker 1: Sorts of problems that everyday people face. Money problems, your
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Speaker 1: self esteem problems, your fear you're feeling at your work problems,
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Speaker 1: worried about your future, your children's future. She's a mom problems.
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Speaker 1: Now with that backdrop, Rob Shooter.
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Speaker 6: I don't care what bestseller you just wrote.
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Speaker 1: When it started with a whisper, you just talked about
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Speaker 1: all the wonderful things and the insecurities of Hayden Pan,
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Speaker 1: a teer now dead, and you put it right after
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Speaker 1: a sentence with the most excuse me, the most exclusive
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Speaker 1: Hollywood drug dealer. Exclusive and drug dealer should not be
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Speaker 1: in the same sentence. Hayden Pana Teer is dead and
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Speaker 1: I want to know how she got that way. No,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing exclusive about that shooter.
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Speaker 7: We need to look very closely at the people, the institutions,
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Speaker 7: the businesses that are providing drugs to celebrities in Hollywood,
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Speaker 7: and we have to make the distinction between people who
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Speaker 7: are selling drugs on the streets and people who are
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Speaker 7: turning up in BMW's and Ferraris and selling these drugs
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Speaker 7: to celebrities. There is a different type of dealer involved here.
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Speaker 7: We're looking at her, and that's what makes this problem
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Speaker 7: so difficult. She had access to the Golden globes. This
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Speaker 7: person we're looking at here, this devil, this ketamine queen,
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Speaker 7: was at the Oscars. She had beauty and Prida bags.
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Speaker 7: None of this makes her any better, but it gives
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Speaker 7: her access to celebrities and to the world of Hollywood
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Speaker 7: that people like you and me, Nancy probably would.
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Speaker 3: Not get in.
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Speaker 1: You know who she is.
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Speaker 6: She you know who the Ketamine Queen is. She is
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Speaker 6: the devil.
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Speaker 1: She is bil Zebub as she's got on a mask
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Speaker 1: people believe is beautiful.
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Speaker 6: I mean, Renee Rockwell, your.
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Speaker 1: Expertise, I don't know a nice way to say this
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Speaker 1: is dope. You don't represent child molesters. You don't typically
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Speaker 1: represent rapists. You represent dopers, big dopers. And you know
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Speaker 1: what all this could have would have should have? I
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Speaker 1: agree with Shooter, we should, we could, we would, But realistically, Renee,
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Speaker 1: how many suppliers enablers like ketamine, queen and the loyal
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Speaker 1: Assistant have you ever seen prosecuted on a homicide charge?
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Speaker 6: Name them? I bet you can do it on one hand.
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Speaker 9: How about Michael Jackson.
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Speaker 6: That's a good one. Listen to this.
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Speaker 13: The evidence in this case will show that Michael Jackson
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Speaker 13: trusted his life to the medical skills of Conrad Murray.
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Speaker 13: That misplaced trust cost Michael.
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Speaker 9: Jackson his life.
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Speaker 12: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: To Eileen Reslin joining us a senior Showbiz exclusives reporter
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Speaker 1: Daily Mail, Eileen, I want to hear about what was
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Speaker 1: found at the scene, because, just like Matthew Perry, he's
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Speaker 1: in a hot tub. There's nothing suspicious about that he's
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Speaker 1: in a hot tub. He got submerged, he died, but investigation,
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Speaker 1: based on what was found at the scene revealed he
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Speaker 1: had been enabled to take an overdose of ketamine and
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Speaker 1: that's why he went under, right, tell me about the
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Speaker 1: scene with Hayden Pantier.
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Speaker 8: At this point, we have very limited information. What we
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Speaker 8: do know is that there was narcan on the scene,
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Speaker 8: so clearly there were signs of opioid overdose. So but
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Speaker 8: there hasn't been a suspect that has been named. They've
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Speaker 8: said that there's no foul play and that there were
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Speaker 8: no signs of trauma. So there is an investigation that's ongoing,
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Speaker 8: but right now they're not looking at it as a
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Speaker 8: criminal investigation.
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Speaker 1: Eilane, When Matthew Perry was found dead, there were no
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Speaker 1: signs of trauma, isn't that true?
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Speaker 10: That's correct?
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you are familiar with multiple felony cases and
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Speaker 1: investigations into the death of Matthew Perry, right, You know
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Speaker 1: about those, right?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think it's great that they are starting
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Speaker 8: to prosecute more drug dealers like the Kenemi queen that
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Speaker 8: you mentioned, But I do want to point out that
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Speaker 8: unfortunately that's not always the case, and they're not always
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Speaker 8: successful because, for instance, with Dammy Lovato, they try to
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Speaker 8: prosecute her dealer and that went nowhere. So I think
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Speaker 8: that at that point they were they reported it as
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Speaker 8: a medical induced or self induced medical emergency. So I
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Speaker 8: think it's really case by case, So it will be
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Speaker 8: interesting to see how the local police department handles this
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Speaker 8: particular piece.
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Speaker 1: With Heiden Eileen, I really appreciate your legal analysis and
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Speaker 1: your investigative prowess. However, when I find a dead body,
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Speaker 1: I don't just assume there's no foul play. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: completely irresponsible. To Dave Mack joining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: Who who, what?
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Speaker 6: Where? When? Why? Where was she found? When was she found?
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Speaker 1: Give me the circumstances, what was found at the scene?
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Speaker 1: Was anybody there helped me out? Day, Throw me a bone.
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Speaker 2: This happened in Greenville, South Carolina, at the Judson Mill Loss.
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Speaker 2: This is a building complex that have been a textile
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Speaker 2: millek converted into apartments and living quarters that were used
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Speaker 2: for Airbnb purposes. This took place on the afternoon Sunday
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Speaker 2: when a nine one one call is made reporting an
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Speaker 2: unresponsive woman in cardiac arrest. Responders attempted recitation resuscitation, but
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Speaker 2: she was pronounced dead at the scene. At the scene,
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Speaker 2: it's been reported that there was narcan on the bed.
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Speaker 2: It was a chaotic scene. One of the neighbors said
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Speaker 2: that the walls are so thin you could hear what
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Speaker 2: was taking place, and there was a lot of you know,
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Speaker 2: yelling and screaming back and forth. But beyond that, it's
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Speaker 2: pretty limited as to what we know now. The nine
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Speaker 2: to one one dispatch Nancy when it came in at
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Speaker 2: first as a woman in cardiac arrest. There was a
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Speaker 2: reference to an apparent overdose and this was made at
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Speaker 2: the same time during that nine to one one call.
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Speaker 2: This has not been established as an official cause of death.
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Speaker 2: The toxicology still has to be done and autopsy has
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Speaker 2: been performed, but no toxicology yet. She was in Greenville,
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Speaker 2: South Carolina with her on and off again boyfriend, Brian Hickerson.
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Speaker 2: He's from Greenville, South Carolina, and she had a co
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Speaker 2: star from the TV show in Nashville who was actually
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Speaker 2: performing in Greenville, South Carolina Friday night, and probably went
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Speaker 2: to see him. That's why they were there. They'd just
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Speaker 2: arrived on Thursday afternoon and then this happened on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Eileen Reslin is correct, joining us from Daily Mail. A
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Speaker 1: panetier found dead at a Greenville, South Carolina apartment. Authorities
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Speaker 1: say at the time cardiac arrest and no signs of
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Speaker 1: foul play.
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Speaker 6: She's absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: But the reality is to doctor Thomas Coin, renowned medical
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Speaker 1: examiner joining us out of Tallahassee. He is the District
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Speaker 1: date medical Examiner for the state of Florida. He is
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Speaker 1: a toxicologist, a forensic pathologist, and a neuropathologist. Right now,
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Speaker 1: we're still arguing about the cod excuse me, the mod
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Speaker 1: manner of death, not cause of death of Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: How long ago is that people are convinced either he
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Speaker 1: committed suicide or he was murdered, largely because of the
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Speaker 1: marking on his neck, which is not consistent with the suicide.
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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you it's not consistent with a suicide.
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Speaker 1: A suicide strangulation asphyxiation would be in the shape of
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Speaker 1: a smiley face when you hang yourself. This was straight
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Speaker 1: a call across his neck, much more consistent with someone
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Speaker 1: strangling him from behind.
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Speaker 6: That said.
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Speaker 1: Aileen Resling, Daily Mail was correct. They found no signs
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Speaker 1: of foul play. There were no signs of foul play
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Speaker 1: in the Matthew Perry case, no signs of foul play,
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Speaker 1: in the Michael Jackson case. It goes on and on,
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Speaker 1: no signs of feul play.
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Speaker 6: And for Pete's that Elvis Presley dead, but there were.
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Speaker 1: Investigations, right, So when everybody keeps screaming no signs foul play,
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Speaker 1: that means.
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Speaker 12: Nothing to me.
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Speaker 3: It's something we typically say in these types of cases,
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Speaker 3: just lets the public know that there's no obvious trauma,
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Speaker 3: no obvious murder that may have occurred. But in these cases,
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Speaker 3: especially over those cases, the answer isn't president at the autopsy,
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Speaker 3: and so it takes weeks to obtain toxicology results, and
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Speaker 3: so therefore in the meantime you do your best to
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Speaker 3: sort of try to provide answers while at the same
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Speaker 3: time being respectful for the loved ones who are also
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Speaker 3: at home waiting for those answers as well.
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Speaker 1: The autopsy itself is done on Hayden paneteer, How long
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Speaker 1: will it take me to get talks?
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Speaker 3: It varies. If you have an in house toxicology lab,
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Speaker 3: you can get preliminary results sometimes within a week, but
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Speaker 3: it may take four to eight weeks to get tox
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Speaker 3: psychology testing back. Most medical examiner's offices send their toxicology
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Speaker 3: to an outside toxicology lab, and just depending upon volume,
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Speaker 3: that could stretch out to that eight week time point,
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Speaker 3: especially if there are unique drugs that are present. So
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Speaker 3: for instance, we talked about fetl, but sometimes there are
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Speaker 3: feentanyl analogs or novel synthetic drugs, and so that may
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Speaker 3: stretch the timeframe a little longer. So it really depends.
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Speaker 3: I always tell people when they're asking for tox four
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Speaker 3: to six weeks.
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Speaker 1: Why is Hayden Panetier dead? To Eileen Reslin? Does she
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Speaker 1: have a child?
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Speaker 14: She does.
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Speaker 8: She has a child with Vadimir Klishko who lives in
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Speaker 8: the Ukraine with Kaya, their daughter, And when she gave birth,
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Speaker 8: she actually suffered from postpartum depression Hayden, so it was
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Speaker 8: actually really heartbreaking situation for her.
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Speaker 5: And I had a really rough verse to the point
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Speaker 5: where I almost didn't make it through. And then and
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Speaker 5: then the postpartum depression started. And there I am with
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Speaker 5: this beautiful, healthy, beautiful baby girl and this very fortunate life,
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Speaker 5: and I could not, for the life of me be happy.
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Speaker 5: I was so depressed, and when I actually went out
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Speaker 5: on to stage it was Live with Kelly and Michael.
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Speaker 5: I had no intention of or plan to talk about
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Speaker 5: postpartum depression. It just came up, and I was just
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Speaker 5: being honest And never for a second did I think
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Speaker 5: that anyone or cared that anyone would have a bad
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Speaker 5: reaction to it.
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Speaker 12: It was my truth.
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Speaker 5: So when I got that call that Neutrogena wanted to
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Speaker 5: fire me over that, and my representative at the time said,
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Speaker 5: that's illegal, you can't do that.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you're seeing that from on purpose with Jay Shetty.
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Speaker 1: That's Hayden speaking about what happened after her postpartum depression.
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Speaker 6: When she dared to speak out about it.
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Speaker 1: She was going she was threatened with losing a sponsor.
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Speaker 1: And that was also from our friends at CBS, at
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark.
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Speaker 6: It's we're looking.
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Speaker 1: At Hayden Paneteer in these interviews, and people are used
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Speaker 1: to seeing her in Heroes, you know, the hit program
25:40
Speaker 1: just too much to even name. She was a star
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Speaker 1: in A Bug's Life, which was one of my children's favorites. Remember,
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Speaker 1: look at all this. We see her that way, but
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Speaker 1: she's talking about her real life and what she was
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Speaker 1: overcoming for Pete's sake, Karen Starr, you're a forensic psychologist
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Speaker 1: or TV radio expert. It seems like everyone was taking
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Speaker 1: advantage of her and enabling her. And she's got a child,
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Speaker 1: a little girl to think about now she's gone.
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Speaker 14: Everyone was taking advantage of her, and I'm not surprised
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Speaker 14: at you, Nancy, because she's a celebrity, and in addition
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Speaker 14: to it, she was a child star, so that her
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Speaker 14: life was led by adults. She talked about the first
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Speaker 14: time that anyone even gave her a drug was when
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Speaker 14: she was a child, so she didn't even have a
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Speaker 14: choice to begin with. It's a terrible story, a really
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Speaker 14: terrible story, because it's so.
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Speaker 9: Easy when you're a child.
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Speaker 14: You're not developedly grown enough to be taking drugs and
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Speaker 14: understand that there should be limits or whether it becomes
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Speaker 14: associated with a better performance, which was what happened. And
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Speaker 14: it's very clear if you keep reading about her, that
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Speaker 14: she wanted her daughter, she loved her daughter, but she
27:08
Speaker 14: had an illness.
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Speaker 12: That's what happened.
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Speaker 14: She had postpartum.
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Speaker 9: Depression and was being treated for it. So her story is.
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Speaker 14: Awful, just awful because you can see where everyone was
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Speaker 14: pandering to her and hurting her just because of her
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Speaker 14: fame and wanting to please this person who didn't have
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Speaker 14: any limits.
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Speaker 5: Somehow, every time I found the strength to get away
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Speaker 5: from my abusers, they would always find their way back
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Speaker 5: into my life one way or another. It was like
27:41
Speaker 5: being on a hamster wheel in this endless, dizzying cycle.
27:45
Speaker 5: And the craziest part, and the hardest part was to understand.
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Speaker 5: To understand was that the physical abuse would come out
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Speaker 5: of left field, But it was always when he was drinking,
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Speaker 5: same as my mom. We could be dancing and joking
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Speaker 5: and then a switch would flip and suddenly it was on.
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Speaker 5: Something would snap, and it was like watching a predator
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Speaker 5: suddenly smell blood. I was dealing with his doctor Jacko
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Speaker 5: missed her hyde situation. It was somebody led by somebody
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Speaker 5: that I had grown to trust and see as a
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Speaker 5: protector and somebody who had my back. She physically put
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Speaker 5: me in the bed next to this undressed man who
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Speaker 5: was very famous and had his hands like this, like
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Speaker 5: this was just you know, an average day for him,
28:41
Speaker 5: this is something that happens all the time. I was like,
28:44
Speaker 5: this is not happening. I had no short stories to
28:48
Speaker 5: share with them, and it was almost like my brain
28:50
Speaker 5: was blocking out these large chunks of time because of trauma.
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Speaker 5: And that's how my brain protected me.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing from our friends on Purpose with Jay
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Speaker 1: Shetty and our friends at.
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Speaker 12: ABC Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, we see, according to Hayden Paneteer, her being
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Speaker 1: enabled and abused by all a parade of people in
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Speaker 1: her life. What is that characteristic that you may not
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Speaker 1: realize you're doing it, but you seek out that with
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Speaker 1: which you are familiar. You go from one abuser to
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Speaker 1: the next abuser, and you think, why me, why does
29:44
Speaker 1: this keep happening to me? Like you see someone put
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Speaker 1: in the bed with an adult male naked and then,
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Speaker 1: according to her, to an abusive relationship, and now she's
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Speaker 1: what is that characteristic? Karen Stark, There's.
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Speaker 9: A lot of things that play here.
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Speaker 14: Nancy. First of all, you become used to the abuse,
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Speaker 14: but you're also you're not looking for pain, You're looking
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Speaker 14: to resolve it. You keep searching and looking for a
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Speaker 14: way to make it be better to work it out.
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Speaker 14: In addition to which it's a pattern which is very
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Speaker 14: addictive because the person goes from just as she was
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Speaker 14: describing being terrific, wonderful, caretaking to horrifying, scary, and then
30:36
Speaker 14: coming back again and being that wonderful person. And you're
30:41
Speaker 14: longing for the person, the good person, and for the
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Speaker 14: bad person to disappear. And it's a trap. It keeps
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Speaker 14: happening over and over again. It's like intermittent reinforcement, when
30:53
Speaker 14: you never know what you're going to get that's good,
30:56
Speaker 14: so you keep striving to get it to work out.
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Speaker 14: And that's what has happened to her in relationships. She's
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Speaker 14: used to it, and she can't break the pattern. She
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Speaker 14: recognizes it, and that Isn't that the saddest part that
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Speaker 14: intellectually you understand what's going on and yet you can't
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Speaker 14: get out of it.
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Speaker 1: Was Hayden Paneteer enabled who gave her the fatal overdose?
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Speaker 6: Why was Narcan out?
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Speaker 1: These are questions that must be answered, and I think
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Speaker 1: I would start with whoever was supplying her, much like
31:38
Speaker 1: in the case of Matthew Perry.
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Speaker 10: She's wearing her intentions.
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Speaker 4: That watch that beautiful top that air mais bag. You know,
31:47
Speaker 4: that is the blood of her clients, The blood of
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Speaker 4: her clients, Nancy. I think it's easy to glamorize along
31:56
Speaker 4: with her, that she has these beautiful outputs in the shoes,
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Speaker 4: that in the other she has sucked this money, as
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Speaker 4: so many people do with addicts, out of her client
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Speaker 4: to their death. You know, she was going out selling
32:11
Speaker 4: one more vile and one more vile to go out
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Speaker 4: and buy one more Airmese bag or Gucci pair of shoes,
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Speaker 4: or you know, she was just really satisfying her own greed.
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Speaker 10: And what makes me so sad, Nancy, is that people.
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Speaker 4: Suffering from some substance abuse disorders are extraordinarily vulnerable. Matthew
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Speaker 4: Perry was vulnerable. He was chasing that next high.
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Speaker 10: His brain was craving the addiction.
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Speaker 1: Renee Rockwell joining me criminal defense attorney, a specialist, and
32:41
Speaker 1: big drug defense. The glamorizing the supplier seemingly is working,
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Speaker 1: because I very rarely say that kind of prosecution. Do
32:54
Speaker 1: you think it's possible in this case?
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Speaker 9: It is, Nancy, And with all the public outcry and
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Speaker 9: with the attention the police department is working now trying
33:07
Speaker 9: to figure out the ones that surrounded her. The facilitator
33:12
Speaker 9: does not have to be an outsider, Nancy. It could
33:14
Speaker 9: be someone in the house.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Thomas Coin, joining us the districtint Medical Examiner
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Speaker 1: in the state of Florida. What if anything, would she
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Speaker 1: have experienced in an OD death?
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Speaker 3: Generally speaking, if this is a fetal death, the overdose
33:38
Speaker 3: really quickly, fairly quickly. I've had people who have been
33:43
Speaker 3: found literally standing at a sink after dosing with fentanyl,
33:47
Speaker 3: and so their a sudden loss of consciousness can occur
33:51
Speaker 3: within seconds, and after that the person's unconscious. What usually
33:57
Speaker 3: leads to death is that slow continue was decrease in
34:01
Speaker 3: breathing as your lungs are filling up a fluid, which
34:05
Speaker 3: could lead to a sudden stopping and breathing, or your
34:08
Speaker 3: heart can stop. But if they're taking a drug like
34:11
Speaker 3: like fatanyl even kennemin, they're anesthetic agents and so they're
34:14
Speaker 3: used in a hospital setting to induce rapid anesthesia, so
34:18
Speaker 3: a person can have a sudden feeling of rapid euphoria
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Speaker 3: followed by unconsciousness.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, forensic psychologist. Another angle of her death is
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Speaker 1: that very often when we see OD cases, the child
34:35
Speaker 1: grows up blaming the dead parent, and the dead parent
34:42
Speaker 1: is so enabled and so under the addiction they can't stop,
34:50
Speaker 1: and nobody's stopping them, and the child grows up with
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Speaker 1: this profound sense of loss of what could have been
34:58
Speaker 1: if mommy hadn't been an attict I guess that's easier
35:02
Speaker 1: to blame somebody to try to understand what really happened.
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Speaker 14: Now, that would be more therapeutic if you try to
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Speaker 14: understand what really happened. But if you think about this
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Speaker 14: happening to a child, Nancy, children always blame themselves, So
35:17
Speaker 14: there's that whole added part that mommy is not okay
35:22
Speaker 14: and I'm doing something wrong, sort of like what was
35:25
Speaker 14: happening with Hayden with Hayden Panetier with her mother, you know,
35:29
Speaker 14: wanting to please her all the time, and so it
35:34
Speaker 14: happens where you can actually investigate understand the terrible things
35:38
Speaker 14: that happen to your parent that might have influenced you,
35:42
Speaker 14: but you would need somebody to help you and point
35:44
Speaker 14: it out like a therapist. On your own, there's a
35:48
Speaker 14: good chance you wouldn't be doing that kind of investigation.
35:51
Speaker 14: You'd be too caught up in your own blame and
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Speaker 14: confusion misinformation.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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