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Credlin | 13 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Jamie Rodgers
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Speaker 2: in for Peter Credlin, who will be back next week.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on the show. The Albanezer government
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Speaker 2: is under pressure after refusing to reveal whether it supports
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Speaker 2: a proposal from its own Islamophobia envoy to remove ideology
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Speaker 2: from the definition of terrorism. Will unpack the implications. Groundhog
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Speaker 2: Day in Melbourne another weekend of violence and crime. So
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Speaker 2: how and when does this cycle of violence end? Concerning
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Speaker 2: data out today showing almost half of Australians struggle to
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Speaker 2: pay rent last month as the cost of living continues
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Speaker 2: to hurt, and Australia's university sector is under the microscope
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Speaker 2: at the Royal Commission, with students and academics giving evidence you.
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Speaker 1: Don't have a future here in Australia.
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Speaker 3: So here's the scary thought.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi pulled even further to the left.
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Speaker 2: That's the reality that we face in twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: According to analysis by One Nation co founder David Oldfield,
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Speaker 2: Labour will be dependent on a Greens dominated Senate after
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Speaker 2: the next election.
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Speaker 4: The Greens will be backing with a full contingent of
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Speaker 4: twelve senators, so they'll be stronger. They will be stronger,
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Speaker 4: and they will control the Senate. There's not much question
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Speaker 4: about that. Looking at the Senate figures. The Liberals will
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Speaker 4: lose a few in the Senate. One Nation will pick
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Speaker 4: up a few in the Senate. But bottom line is
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Speaker 4: that the Greens will be calling the tune in the
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Speaker 4: Senate and label we're making deals with them.
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Speaker 2: Think about what that could mean. More influence for the Greens,
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Speaker 2: more pressure on labor to shift left, more radical policies
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Speaker 2: finding their way onto the national agenda. Think about Marine
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Speaker 2: Ferruk in charge of immigration.
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Speaker 5: This file and drips now in racism because for decades,
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Speaker 5: for decades, politicians and both major parties, can I say
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Speaker 5: let it happen?
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Speaker 1: And this week this place has broken me. This place
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Speaker 1: has broken me with its racism.
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Speaker 5: Given that many of you white people in here claim
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Speaker 5: English as your first language, that you would actually know,
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Speaker 5: you would actually know what this means.
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Speaker 2: And that's exactly why the important takeout from the latest
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Speaker 2: polling isn't Pauline Hanson's diff in support. It's about the
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Speaker 2: entire conservative side of politics for months, one nation looked unstoppable.
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Speaker 2: Poll after poll showed Pauline Hanson's surging. Frustrated Australians were
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Speaker 2: looking for somewhere to send a message, but the latest
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Speaker 2: Reserve poll suggests that momentum may already be slowing. David
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Speaker 2: Oldfield said recent comments by Pauline Hansen contributed to this
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Speaker 2: decline what do you mean in.
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Speaker 4: The Press club? But with that address that she delivered
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Speaker 4: at the National Press Club in Canberra that had an impact.
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Speaker 6: What was it that she said that caused the problems.
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Speaker 4: Of most things? I don't think it won a vote.
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Speaker 4: It was one of those scenarios where you sort of
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Speaker 4: don't just want to beat people in the election, you
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Speaker 4: want to torture them about it before you go to
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Speaker 4: the election. It's a fundamental thing to understand about voting
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Speaker 4: in the first place, if nothing else, to know who
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Speaker 4: it is that isn't voting for you, who is voting
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Speaker 4: for you, and who you might be able to swing.
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Speaker 4: And you mustn't play to your own cheer squad and
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Speaker 4: kick the people that you hate and because that'll just
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Speaker 4: put off the people in the middle.
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Speaker 2: Weeks after that Press Club speech, politicians from the Coalition,
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Speaker 2: Labor and One Nation are still being asked to explain
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Speaker 2: one word, monoculture, instead of debating other issues that Hanson raised.
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Speaker 2: The debate became about a single word. Barnaby Joyce was
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Speaker 2: asked about this yet again on Sunrise this morning.
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Speaker 4: The polls are indicated and not a vote, and expect
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Speaker 4: there'd be fluctuation in polls as you go through a process.
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Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson is direct, She does Todd Gilbert Lily.
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Speaker 7: She's straight down the barrel with what she says.
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Speaker 3: Then came the UK trip.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson walked the streets and recorded a podcast with
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Speaker 2: Tommy Robinson, a figure Nigel Farage himself has rejected the story,
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Speaker 2: became the company she was keeping, and then Robinson publicly
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Speaker 2: endorsed her, hailing her as the bravest person on the planet.
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Speaker 2: Sky News host Andrew Bolt wrote today that One Nation
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Speaker 2: now needs credibility more than headlines. Pauline Hanson has ridden
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Speaker 2: high in the polls because Australians want change, but moments
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Speaker 2: like the Tommy Robinson controversy risk distracting from that opportunity.
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Speaker 2: The focus should be on building a credible team, attracting
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Speaker 2: quality candidates and convincing Australians that one Nation is ready
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Speaker 2: to govern, not just protest.
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Speaker 3: Look at Victoria.
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Speaker 2: The state election is only months away and recent polling
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Speaker 2: has put One Nation ahead of the Coalition in Labor,
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Speaker 2: Yet the party has released few detailed policies and has
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Speaker 2: only one announced candidate. Hope alone won't win government credibility will.
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Speaker 2: The government's budget has been universally criticized. Statistic show families
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Speaker 2: across Australia are struggling with the cost of living, businesses
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Speaker 2: are going under. It should be a perfect storm for
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Speaker 2: the parties on the right. The latest Reserve poll shows
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Speaker 2: One Nation down three points and the Coalition up three.
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Speaker 2: The fight on the right is simply shifting votes between
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Speaker 2: Conservative parties. If the Coalition can rebuild its primary vote
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Speaker 2: and regain the lead over One Nation, the combined Conservative
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Speaker 2: vote starts to look far more competitive against Labor. But
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Speaker 2: while that battle continued, Anthony Alberizi is escaping the political consequences.
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Speaker 2: His approval rating as Preferred My Minister went up four
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Speaker 2: percent to thirty three, while Pauline went down by eight.
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Speaker 2: Why Because Australians still don't have a clear understanding of
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Speaker 2: what the alternative looks like Shadow Energy Minister Dan Teen
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Speaker 2: spoke about the approval ratings.
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Speaker 8: The thing that concerns me a little bit from these
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Speaker 8: poles is that his approval's gone up. I mean, he's
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Speaker 8: just lied to the Australian people. He's lied about putting
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Speaker 8: more taxes on the Australian people and we've got to
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Speaker 8: get out and sell that message. So this is a
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Speaker 8: prime minister that lies to you. It cannot be trusted.
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Speaker 2: We'll get out there and do it, and while you're
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Speaker 2: at it, release your energy policy to maximize the hypocrisy
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Speaker 2: of the latest deal. The government just signed an agreement
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Speaker 2: to export uranium to power India's future while continuing to
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Speaker 2: tell Australians nuclear energy isn't good enough for us. The
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Speaker 2: Coalition should be making that argument every single day, show
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Speaker 2: Australia while they should vote for you, why you're different
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Speaker 2: from Labor. If Anthony Albanesi becomes more dependent on the
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Speaker 2: Greens in twenty twenty eight, the country moves further left.
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Speaker 2: If the Coalition wants to stop that, it can't rely
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Speaker 2: on Labor making mistakes. It must give Australians something to
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Speaker 2: vote for, because right now Australians know what's broken, They're
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Speaker 2: still waiting to see who's ready to fix it. We
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Speaker 2: have failed Jewish Australians. The Royal Commission on Anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: and Social Cohesion began its fourth hearing block today. The
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Speaker 2: focus is on university campuses.
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Speaker 9: What I experienced was harassment, was vilification and at times
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Speaker 9: physical physical abuse. I was spat at by people. I
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Speaker 9: had people perform Nazi salutes in my direction. I was
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Speaker 9: called a baby killer and a genocide supporter. And no
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Speaker 9: student should be subjected to these sorts of behaviors.
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Speaker 2: And perhaps the most heartbreaking admission of all, every morning,
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Speaker 2: before walking onto campus, she had to ask herself a question.
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Speaker 9: I would have to pick, am I am I Jewish
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Speaker 9: liat today or am I regular?
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Speaker 3: Leah.
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Speaker 9: I wouldn't use my name ordering at coffee shops for
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Speaker 9: fear that someone would ask me where it's from.
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Speaker 3: On top of that, friends were lost.
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Speaker 9: The individual looked at me and then said, oh, I
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Speaker 9: can't talk to you. We're not friends anymore.
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Speaker 3: You're a Zionist.
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Speaker 9: The majority of the people who are my friends at
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Speaker 9: the time just stopped talking to me entirely.
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Speaker 2: So let's think about that for a moment in Australia
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, a university student deciding whether it's
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Speaker 2: safer to conceal her identity before going to class and
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Speaker 2: losing friends because she's Jewish. One lecturer said each day
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Speaker 2: was a battle of where she could walk on campus
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Speaker 2: to avoid the protests.
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Speaker 10: If I have to think about which way I walk
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Speaker 10: on campus to get from one side to stet from
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Speaker 10: my office to where I'm going to teach so that
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Speaker 10: they won't bump into a protest on campus, that again
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Speaker 10: is going to impact my ability to be an excellent teacher.
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Speaker 2: Universities have long defended themselves by appointing to freedom of speech,
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Speaker 2: but no students should have to wonder whether revealing their name,
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Speaker 2: their religion, or their heritage will make them a target.
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Speaker 2: How did our universities allow this culture to develop. Universities
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Speaker 2: aren't just producing graduates, They're shaping the next generation of leaders.
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Speaker 2: If students learn that this behavior is acceptable, then we
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Speaker 2: failed at something much bigger than campus governance. The Albanezer
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Speaker 2: government has now stepped in requiring universities to adopt a
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Speaker 2: formal definition of anti Semitism and strengthening oversight education.
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Speaker 3: Editor at the Australian Natasha.
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Speaker 2: Beta joins me later in the program to discuss these regulations. Now,
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Speaker 2: these reforms are over jew but they're welcome. But legislation
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Speaker 2: alone isn't going to fix a culture. Australia has failed
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Speaker 2: our Jewish community, universities have failed to protect them, and
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Speaker 2: too many leaders failed to speak up. Anti Semitism should
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Speaker 2: be confronted with the same resolve as every other form
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Speaker 2: of racism. Nothing less should be acceptable in Australia. Nothing less. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's head to Camberan now for tonight's political headlines, where
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Ruven Spargo.
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Speaker 7: Support for paul En Hanson's One Nation is easing for
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Speaker 7: the first time in four months. According to the Resolve
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Speaker 7: Political Monitor poll, the Minor Party has fallen three points
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Speaker 7: to twenty six percent in July. Coalition is regaining ground.
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Speaker 11: We know that we've still got an awful lot of
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Speaker 11: work to do ahead of us, that it was going
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Speaker 11: to be a long road back.
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Speaker 7: Pauline Hanson's ratings for preferred Prime Minister dropped to eight points.
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Speaker 7: Anthony Alberizi has extended his lead.
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Speaker 8: He's just lied to the Australian people. We've got to
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Speaker 8: get out and sell that message.
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Speaker 7: Victoria's November state election represents the next significant test for
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Speaker 7: one nation. Auction clearance rates remain subdued, but there are
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Speaker 7: early signs the housing market may be stabilizing. Ray White's
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Speaker 7: clearance rate lifted to forty seven point seven percent last week,
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Speaker 7: up from forty four point three percent the week before,
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Speaker 7: but still well below seventy five point four percent a
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Speaker 7: year ago.
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Speaker 11: There is real concern out there for those property investors
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Speaker 11: and property owners as to whether their house is now
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Speaker 11: their family home is worth the same as it was
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Speaker 11: just a year ago.
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Speaker 7: ARIA Group data shows the clearance rate trending flat. Nationally,
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Speaker 7: Australia is scrapping its paper passenger arrival cards, replacing them
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Speaker 7: with a digital declaration. The move is designed to modernize
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Speaker 7: the country's border processes.
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Speaker 12: Finally, with today's announcement, we're going to see the end
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Speaker 12: of them.
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Speaker 7: The paper system will be phased out over the next
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Speaker 7: four years.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump into what's making news around the
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Speaker 2: country with our Monday Night panel. Sky News contributor Carolie
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Speaker 2: Katz and Varnas and former Liberal MP Nicole Flint.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with that, Laters polling with One Nation dropping
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Speaker 2: three percent and Pauline's popularity also dropping eight percent.
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Speaker 3: Caroly, do you think the gloss is.
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Speaker 2: Coming off One Nation and potentially is a bit of
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Speaker 2: a fallout from the National Press Club speech.
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Speaker 13: I don't so much suppose it's the gloss coming off
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Speaker 13: and good evening to both of you, lovely ladies and
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Speaker 13: the audience. I think what it is is that people
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Speaker 13: are actually realizing that for a moment there One Nation
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Speaker 13: filled the void that the Liberal Party and the Coalition
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Speaker 13: was actually not filling. There's all the who are between
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Speaker 13: Susan Lee and then who is going to take over
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Speaker 13: as an Angus Taylor? And you know, the discourse was
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Speaker 13: One Nation is hitting the mark with what Australians are
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Speaker 13: worried about, poverty, energy income, cost of living, electricity, getting
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Speaker 13: rid of renewable energy targets, all that stuff. But now
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Speaker 13: the reality is dawning on them. I mean, we have
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Speaker 13: a state election here in Victoria in November. It's less
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Speaker 13: than sixteen weeks away, but we have no One Nation
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Speaker 13: leader in Victoria and there are no candidates. So I
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Speaker 13: think it was very popular back then for people to
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Speaker 13: say yep, I'm going to vote for One Nation because
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Speaker 13: the Coalition was not giving them what they were wanting,
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Speaker 13: and so people were drifting over to One Nation. But
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Speaker 13: it's a very different kettle of fish when people actually
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Speaker 13: realize that One Nation is a protest party. When you
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Speaker 13: put your mark on the ballot paper, do we actually
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Speaker 13: want this mob to run the country? And I think
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Speaker 13: a bit of common sense comes back into it.
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Speaker 2: And Nicole, I think the other issue is the Coalition
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Speaker 2: has picked up those three points that appear to have
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Speaker 2: moved away from One Nation. A positive is that Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor rose in popularity, but it's more that we're just
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Speaker 2: seeing this shift between the Conservative voters between One Nation
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Speaker 2: and the Coalition rather than taking it away from labor.
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Speaker 14: Which is pretty extraordinary given the economic destruction labor are
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Speaker 14: wreaking on the Australian people.
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Speaker 3: So that's quite perplexing.
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Speaker 14: What I would say about this poll though, is that
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Speaker 14: it is you know, it's one poll out of many.
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Speaker 14: I wonder if it is a bit of an outlier.
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Speaker 14: Often we do see the numbers jump around a little bit,
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Speaker 14: so I think we need to wait and see the
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Speaker 14: next news poll, for example, and do a comparing contrast
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Speaker 14: and see if this is a trend or if it's
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Speaker 14: just a bit of a blip. But certainly interesting times
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Speaker 14: in Australian politics. I just wish we were seeing the
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Speaker 14: numbers coming off of labor.
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Speaker 2: And caroly back into your home state. A really interesting survey,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably not surprising, has found almost half
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Speaker 2: of Victorian businesses more likely to now invest interstate due
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Speaker 2: to these proposed work from home laws that the Allen
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Speaker 2: government is bringing in.
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Speaker 3: But what do you make of there?
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Speaker 2: Surely the Allen government was given warnings that this would happen.
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Speaker 13: They were and look, it is actually disastrous because the
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Speaker 13: latest data shows that forty seven percent of Victorian businesses
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Speaker 13: won't expand and they won't actually invest back into Victoria,
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Speaker 13: so it's actually a disincentive to invest in the state
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Speaker 13: of Victoria. The problem is the Allen Labor government very clever.
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Speaker 13: They're trying to paint the Victorian Chamber of Commerce into
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Speaker 13: a corner to say that they're against working from home,
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Speaker 13: when the Chamber is actually saying it's come up with
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Speaker 13: eleven points signed by many other organizations in Victoria to
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Speaker 13: say no, we're not against working from home. But this
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Speaker 13: does not need to be legislated because for you and
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Speaker 13: for the view viewers from September first, this legislation is
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Speaker 13: actually going to enshrine in law that people have the
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Speaker 13: right to work from home for eligible occupations two days
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Speaker 13: a week.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty common sense.
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Speaker 13: There's a lot of flexible working arrangements available in Victoria.
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Speaker 13: But this should be done between businesses, between employers and employees,
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Speaker 13: and it's just going to backfire. And I can understand
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Speaker 13: Sally Curtin, who is the head of Victoria Chamber of Commerce.
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Speaker 13: She says this is a solution looking for a problem.
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Speaker 13: In other words, there is no problem at the moment,
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Speaker 13: but the problem will be governments legislating what business should
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Speaker 13: do and it is really a disincentive.
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Speaker 2: Well, I have Brad Batton coming on shortly, so I
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Speaker 2: will definitely be talking to him about what the Liberals
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Speaker 2: plan will be, Nicole, but I also want to just
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Speaker 2: talk to you about some of those cost of living
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Speaker 2: crisis that we're seeing in data today and it just
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Speaker 2: highlights how tough Australians are really doing it, where tenants
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Speaker 2: at the moment are struggling to pay their rent that
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Speaker 2: was more than half and thirty eight percent of homeowners
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Speaker 2: said they have struggling to pay the mortgage. And I
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Speaker 2: read these sort of stories and I just think the
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Speaker 2: government aren't grasping. Are they just how tough Australians are
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Speaker 2: doing it right now?
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Speaker 14: No, And of course they're not, Jamie, because they're all
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Speaker 14: getting their pretty generous incomes in their bank account every
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Speaker 14: single fortnight, and honestly, they're obviously immune to all of
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Speaker 14: the normal costs that normal Aussies are facing. So the
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Speaker 14: price of everything has gone up. People are taking pain
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Speaker 14: in every single part of their lives. So as you've
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Speaker 14: just set it's the rent, it's mortgages, interest rate increases,
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Speaker 14: it's grocery prices, it's power prices, and it's fuel prices.
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Speaker 14: So there's nowhere that people can really save money because
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Speaker 14: it's all of the essentials that.
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Speaker 3: Are going up.
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Speaker 14: So honestly, again, I can't believe that labor haven't gone
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Speaker 14: backwards in the Poles, let alone a long way backwards
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Speaker 14: in the Poles, given how disasters and how stressful it
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Speaker 14: is for normal Ossies trying to make ends meet.
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Speaker 2: At the moment, Caroly, let's go have a look at
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Speaker 2: these cost of groceries. I'll get that graphic put back
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Speaker 2: up because it just shows how basic food items have
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Speaker 2: increased since twenty twenty three. So for a basic groceries
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Speaker 2: it has risen by seventeen and a half percent, so
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Speaker 2: it'll cost family on average each year another seven hundred dollars.
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Speaker 2: But it's the increase of some of these things like
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Speaker 2: flour that has jumped one hundred and nineteen percent, a
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Speaker 2: two hundred grand block of chocolate is seventy five percent,
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Speaker 2: and a kilo of apples has doubled. This is on top,
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Speaker 2: as Nicole was saying, on top of rising energy and rents,
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Speaker 2: is it any wonder that people are just really struggling
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Speaker 2: to get ahead?
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Speaker 3: Well, no, it's not.
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Speaker 13: And to me, this is one of the number one
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Speaker 13: things that the Albanzi government has actually got to get
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Speaker 13: on top of, because, as Nicole correctly pointed out, people
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Speaker 13: are suffering economic poverty in all parts of their lives.
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Speaker 13: Car insurance is going up, home insurance is going up,
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Speaker 13: rents are going up. Everything is going up, and there's
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Speaker 13: only so much money in everybody's pot. At the end
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Speaker 13: of the week, I'll tell you I've swapped ninety five
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Speaker 13: percent of my household shopping and family to Aldi. That's
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Speaker 13: how bad it's got. I mean, there's only x amount.
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Speaker 13: Every dollar that you can save is really important. What
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Speaker 13: I actually like is some of these members of Parliament
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Speaker 13: to put on the boots, put on the trackie, forget
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Speaker 13: the makeup, put your hair in a bun, put your
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Speaker 13: hair in a beanie.
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Speaker 3: Go down to your local Ald.
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Speaker 13: Then go to your other major grocery stores and actually
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Speaker 13: look as to how much things cost. Don't do shopping online,
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Speaker 13: go down there and better still, talk to the people
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Speaker 13: in Ald and find out the reason why they're shopping
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Speaker 13: at cheaper supermarkets and you'll find out that it's normal,
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Speaker 13: law abiding people trying to get ahead, trying to look
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Speaker 13: after their families so that they're not a drain on
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Speaker 13: the Australian taxpayer. They're cutting back in every way that
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Speaker 13: they can. And until politicians do that in Canberra and
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Speaker 13: also statewide, you're not actually going to get how bad
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Speaker 13: this crisis is.
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Speaker 2: And just very quickly in Nicoll before we go, I
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Speaker 2: just wanted to end on a lighthearted story with Bob
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Speaker 2: Katter now a meme across the UK, and it's because
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Speaker 2: the younger generation just love his style and when he
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Speaker 2: says this.
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Speaker 5: Don't say that because stadiotapes me and I'll punch blots
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Speaker 5: in the mouth for saying that.
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Speaker 4: Don't you dare say that?
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Speaker 3: So look a bit of fun.
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Speaker 2: It's all about social media these days. He's got one
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty eight thousand followers on Instagram and seven
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Speaker 2: percent of them are from the UK.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty extraordinary, Jamie.
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Speaker 14: But as we know, Bob Katter is a big personality
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Speaker 14: and isn't it lovely to see some Queensland ossie as
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Speaker 14: being spread out across.
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Speaker 2: The globe and particularly back to the UK ladies. I'll
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Speaker 2: leave it there, Thanks for much for tonight. Well let's
21:02
Speaker 2: go now to Melbourne's crime crisis and what must seem
21:05
Speaker 2: like groundhog Day for authorities after another weekend of violence,
21:09
Speaker 2: with a cafe in Essendon, which is just north of
21:12
Speaker 2: the city, torched by arsonists days after it was targeted
21:16
Speaker 2: in a drive by shooting. Here to give us his
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Speaker 2: assessment is Shadow Police Minister Brad Batton.
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Speaker 3: Brad welcome.
21:23
Speaker 2: There appears to be no end to this wave of
21:26
Speaker 2: attack on businesses.
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Speaker 3: Has the horse bolted?
21:29
Speaker 5: Though?
21:30
Speaker 3: You know?
21:30
Speaker 2: How does Melbourne wind the clock back so that residents
21:33
Speaker 2: feel safe?
21:34
Speaker 3: In their homes and businesses.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 15: It's really important we have this discussion because the question
21:40
Speaker 15: about the horse bolted is answer is no, Yes, there's
21:43
Speaker 15: a lot of crime around at the moment, but yes,
21:46
Speaker 15: it also can have a solution and we can put
21:48
Speaker 15: things in place to prevent it in the future. The
21:50
Speaker 15: one you mentioned is then Andy Andy's Cafe. You look
21:54
Speaker 15: at that business shot at one week, five bomb the next.
21:58
Speaker 15: How can staff even think they could you're safe going
22:00
Speaker 15: to work? And that's where our fear is. A week
22:03
Speaker 15: ago you had a business in Richmond that was firebombed.
22:08
Speaker 15: Ten other businesses around it have been destroyed. That's livelihoods,
22:12
Speaker 15: that's people that can't go to work, that's people that
22:14
Speaker 15: will never get those opportunities or may not want to
22:17
Speaker 15: invest here in Victoria again.
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Speaker 1: And that's a huge concern. But can we fix it here?
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Speaker 1: We can.
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Speaker 15: Just the other week I was over in Perth and
22:24
Speaker 15: there was police on bike patrols. There was a police
22:27
Speaker 15: with a van parked down the main street in Perth
22:31
Speaker 15: speaking to the local community. They had facial recognition up
22:34
Speaker 15: and going to highlight some of the things in trying
22:36
Speaker 15: to get some of the crooks off the street. We
22:38
Speaker 15: just have to think on these things so we can
22:40
Speaker 15: ensure that the Victoria Police have the resources they need,
22:43
Speaker 15: and that includes the extra three thousand police that we recruit,
22:47
Speaker 15: because having bike patrols, foot patrols, extra vehicles on the
22:50
Speaker 15: road makes it a lot harder for these crooks to
22:53
Speaker 15: commit crimes when they know the police could be just.
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Speaker 1: Around the corner.
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Speaker 2: So one thing that's definitely an issue in Victoria, and
23:00
Speaker 2: that is the fire bombing of the tobacconists. And Barnaby
23:03
Speaker 2: Joyce said One Nation government would wind back the excise
23:08
Speaker 2: on tobacco products because he said it's a fool's errand
23:11
Speaker 2: and it's subsidizing the mafia.
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Speaker 3: And it does make a valid point.
23:16
Speaker 2: But do you think a cut in the excise is
23:18
Speaker 2: going to help stop this illegal market or do you
23:21
Speaker 2: think now it's gone too far?
23:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question.
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Speaker 15: I know Barnaby's raised this today federally and it is
23:27
Speaker 15: a federal tax and I could have my views on it,
23:30
Speaker 15: but I can't make any difference, or I can't make
23:32
Speaker 15: a change being a state member of Parliament. But what
23:34
Speaker 15: I can say is this is only really happening in Victoria,
23:38
Speaker 15: So change in the tax system may have an impact,
23:41
Speaker 15: but the tobacconists here in Victoria are the ones that
23:43
Speaker 15: have been targeted the most. And that comes down to
23:46
Speaker 15: the fact that if you look at Queensland, they've added
23:49
Speaker 15: arson to the adult time for adult crime. So if
23:53
Speaker 15: a young offender up there decides they want to go
23:55
Speaker 15: and burn down one of the local businesses, when they
23:57
Speaker 15: go to court, they're treadler as an adult. They won't
24:00
Speaker 15: get bail like they do down here in Victoria be
24:02
Speaker 15: back on the street within minutes. So we wanted to
24:05
Speaker 15: make the changes that we can make so that'd be
24:07
Speaker 15: break bail, face jail. We don't want these offenders on
24:10
Speaker 15: the street. But more importantly, I've been working with James
24:13
Speaker 15: Newbury and he's been very vocal on this. Why don't
24:16
Speaker 15: we have arson for that adult time for adult crime
24:20
Speaker 15: because the reality is the damage these people are doing.
24:23
Speaker 15: Like those kids that damage the eighty prof factory with
24:26
Speaker 15: four point six million dollars of damage effectively got good
24:30
Speaker 15: behavior bonds. That is just simply not good enough. We
24:33
Speaker 15: will make the change and will be tougher on those crimes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is great to hear because there's just nothing
24:39
Speaker 2: to stop these youths going out and reoffending if they're
24:42
Speaker 2: not going to be concerned about going to jail. Now,
24:44
Speaker 2: let's talk about your first major infrastructure commitment, a five
24:48
Speaker 2: billion dollar plan to repair one million potholes across Victoria. Now,
24:53
Speaker 2: many motorists would say fixing roads shouldn't be a headline
24:57
Speaker 2: promise and this should simply be basic government. But that's
25:01
Speaker 2: certainly not been the case in Victoria, has it.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, No, it doesn't matter where you drive. And I
25:06
Speaker 15: actually drive quite often across to the west and I've
25:08
Speaker 15: been up to the north recently, but particularly Western Victoria,
25:12
Speaker 15: and I've driven across there the last probably in the
25:15
Speaker 15: last twelve months. I had a bit of a gap
25:17
Speaker 15: in between, but those roads have deteriorated so much and
25:20
Speaker 15: the government was aware of it. There is members of
25:23
Speaker 15: Parliament that have continuously got up from the Liberals and
25:25
Speaker 15: Nationals who have said that the crisis on the roads
25:28
Speaker 15: over there is creating safety issues. Jess is seeing it
25:32
Speaker 15: first hand, been out there. But it's not just a
25:35
Speaker 15: country and regional Victoria problem. Anyone who's got time. You
25:38
Speaker 15: can have a look at Matthew Guys Instagram and he
25:42
Speaker 15: has the most graphic picture of a pothole in his
25:45
Speaker 15: own electorate, which you may as well say is a
25:47
Speaker 15: fifty meter pool and could be used for the Commonwealth
25:49
Speaker 15: Games in Glasgow, obviously not here in Victoria. But these
25:53
Speaker 15: conditions of the roads are because the government are not
25:56
Speaker 15: doing the preventative maintenance. We will do it differently. It's
26:00
Speaker 15: not just fixing potholes, it's ensuring that contractors are held
26:03
Speaker 15: responsible for fixing the roads and the damage it's done after,
26:07
Speaker 15: so they can make sure they can when they fix them,
26:09
Speaker 15: they can't just.
26:09
Speaker 1: Walk away and it breaks up again.
26:11
Speaker 15: But we'll also do that preventative maintenance, particularly around waterproofing,
26:15
Speaker 15: because that's one of the biggest concerns we've had here
26:17
Speaker 15: that we've raised with the government over and over again.
26:20
Speaker 2: And Brad, just quickly before I let you go, I
26:22
Speaker 2: spoke about it just before with the panel. But there's
26:25
Speaker 2: that data that shows almost half of Victorian businesses are
26:28
Speaker 2: likely to invest into state and this is off the
26:30
Speaker 2: back of those work from home laws at the Allen
26:33
Speaker 2: government is set to bring in. What is it that
26:36
Speaker 2: the Liberals will do if elected in November.
26:39
Speaker 15: Yeah, we're going through because they've obviously looked for the
26:41
Speaker 15: legislation now and we know that we've got to put
26:43
Speaker 15: our priorities in place. We really want to see investment
26:46
Speaker 15: here in this state. And we've always said whilst we
26:49
Speaker 15: support work from home, and we've continuously said that that
26:52
Speaker 15: it's best decisions between the businesses and the employees, but
26:56
Speaker 15: what we have said also is we've got to change
26:58
Speaker 15: the tax environment here in Victoria. Businesses are simply walking away.
27:02
Speaker 15: And it's not just work from home, it's the increasing
27:05
Speaker 15: taxes here in Victoria. Developers don't know what tax they're
27:08
Speaker 15: going to wake up with the next day, and it
27:10
Speaker 15: ends up going on to the cost of building a
27:11
Speaker 15: home here in our state. Victoria is simply unaffordable with
27:15
Speaker 15: the highest tax state. Under a Wilson led government, We've
27:18
Speaker 15: put a ten point plan in place on how we can.
27:21
Speaker 1: Reduce taxes, attract investment.
27:24
Speaker 15: And create jobs all here in Victoria and making sure
27:27
Speaker 15: that as many peoples as possible who want an opportunity
27:30
Speaker 15: to start their business, we'll get that benefit to do
27:32
Speaker 15: that here in our state.
27:34
Speaker 2: Well, Brad Baton, I will leave it there, thanks for
27:36
Speaker 2: your time. After the break, what next for the Middle
27:39
Speaker 2: East with Iran? P steal ripped up and US rockets
27:43
Speaker 2: battering key targets. Plus still be questions over Australia's defense
27:48
Speaker 2: funding and what it means for our national security.
27:50
Speaker 3: That's next.
27:56
Speaker 2: Welcome back coming up. Universities are set for a grilling
28:00
Speaker 2: over anti Israel encampments at the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism.
28:05
Speaker 2: But now to the conflict in Iran, with the peace
28:08
Speaker 2: deal in tatters as the US target's key sites in
28:11
Speaker 2: southern Iran as Qwait reports attacks on an oil rig
28:15
Speaker 2: and border post. Here to give us his take on
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Speaker 2: what we should expect, Army Director General Brigadier Ian Langford
28:22
Speaker 2: Ian welcome. When Trump signed this peace deal only weeks ago,
28:28
Speaker 2: he said that it signaled a new era of peace
28:31
Speaker 2: for the Middle East, something not seen in the region
28:33
Speaker 2: for centuries.
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Speaker 3: Do you think these new.
28:36
Speaker 2: Attacks are a final nail going against Iran or can
28:40
Speaker 2: you just see this escalation now being drawn out much longer?
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Speaker 16: Well, thanks for having a long time. I think this
28:47
Speaker 16: is the collapse of a ceasefire rather than the end
28:50
Speaker 16: of a conflict which is now moving into another stage.
28:54
Speaker 16: With the attempt by the Trump administration to introduce a
28:57
Speaker 16: ceasefire with Ran We've seen some level of negotiation a
29:03
Speaker 16: tactical and country to country level, but we haven't seen
29:05
Speaker 16: the big issues revolving around Iran's future nuclear ambitions, nor
29:11
Speaker 16: are free and unfettered access to the straits of Hall
29:13
Speaker 16: Moves resolved. And that tension has led to really a
29:17
Speaker 16: breakdown and negotiations, And now we're seeing a resumption of
29:20
Speaker 16: punishment on one hand by the Americans through military power
29:23
Speaker 16: against all of those targets that have been hit over
29:26
Speaker 16: the past three or four days, and the economic coercion
29:29
Speaker 16: that Iran knows now it can use to put pressure
29:32
Speaker 16: on the Americans from across the world as it relates
29:36
Speaker 16: to disruption to key energy supplies to include liquefied natural
29:39
Speaker 16: gas and oil out of the Persian Gulf. So we're
29:42
Speaker 16: now seeing really the next phase of this conflict, the
29:45
Speaker 16: collapse of a ceasefire, and really I think the resumption
29:49
Speaker 16: of both military hostilities using non traditional forms of military hardware,
29:54
Speaker 16: so missiles and proxy forces and cyber attacks rather than
29:58
Speaker 16: conventional force on force MA operations.
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Speaker 2: And you were just mentioning it before, but it seems
30:04
Speaker 2: as though this war has now fundamentally changed the way
30:08
Speaker 2: that Iran views the Strait of Hormuz. It's now been
30:11
Speaker 2: turned into a strategic bargaining chip for them that they
30:14
Speaker 2: can now continue to use in the future, and before
30:17
Speaker 2: the war, this is not something that they had been doing.
30:20
Speaker 2: So it almost seems as though Iran are coming out
30:23
Speaker 2: on top, especially at the moment.
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Speaker 16: Well Iran knows it cannot defeat the Americans militarily. Iran
30:30
Speaker 16: has been weakened after decades of sanctions and its leadership
30:35
Speaker 16: tension between the IRGC and the religious ruling class is
30:41
Speaker 16: really demonstrative of some of the struggles they're having internal
30:44
Speaker 16: to their country. That said, their ability to control the
30:47
Speaker 16: maritime access to a critical energy pipeline for the world
30:51
Speaker 16: gives them the kind of economic leverage that really only
30:55
Speaker 16: superpowers have globally, and so Iran can force a certain
31:00
Speaker 16: concessions on the Americans if it's able to open and
31:02
Speaker 16: close the straits and control the oil price there has
31:06
Speaker 16: such an effect on their economy and perhaps more acutely,
31:09
Speaker 16: for President Trump, some of his election chances come November
31:13
Speaker 16: with the congressional elections due at that time.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Ian looking back at February when this
31:20
Speaker 2: conflict war started, that Trump has underestimated the strength and
31:25
Speaker 2: the fight that has come from Iran.
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Speaker 16: I think the Americans, who were supremely confident with their
31:32
Speaker 16: military capability, particularly after the successes they've had against Venezuela
31:38
Speaker 16: and in demonstrating some of the military power that they
31:41
Speaker 16: have through their aid to Ukraine, were supremely conflicent that
31:45
Speaker 16: they had a military solution to this problem involving Iran
31:50
Speaker 16: that has since proven to not be the case. The
31:52
Speaker 16: challenge now is to defeat the Iranians to the point
31:56
Speaker 16: where they're willing to make concessions, to come to the table,
32:00
Speaker 16: and to produce the kind of stability in the Persian
32:02
Speaker 16: Gulf that the entire world needs in order to bring
32:06
Speaker 16: again further stability to oil an energy price. So militarily
32:10
Speaker 16: it may have made sense to the Americans, economically and strategically,
32:14
Speaker 16: it has not been effective in bringing the Iranians to heal.
32:18
Speaker 2: So, in your opinion, now, strategically, what does Trump need
32:22
Speaker 2: to do here to be able to finish this war
32:26
Speaker 2: and not impact the midterm elections that you were just
32:29
Speaker 2: alluding to before that are set for November. What steps
32:32
Speaker 2: does he need to now be taking?
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Speaker 16: Well, he needs to bring diplomacy to the fore of
32:39
Speaker 16: his negotiating tactics. He needs to understand what is it
32:43
Speaker 16: that will bring the Iranians back into discussions with the
32:46
Speaker 16: Americans where they can both concede to a point where
32:51
Speaker 16: there is stability enough for oil and energy exports to resume,
32:55
Speaker 16: for the golf itself to be more regionally secure, for
33:00
Speaker 16: the US to be able to focus on its midterm
33:03
Speaker 16: elections from a Republican point of view, on the core
33:06
Speaker 16: issues that relate to the economy and the cost of living.
33:10
Speaker 2: Ian, I want to come back home now and just
33:12
Speaker 2: have a look at a domestic issue where a scathing
33:16
Speaker 2: audit has found Defense spent more than forty million dollars
33:20
Speaker 2: on artillery munitions that were never delivered and failed to
33:23
Speaker 2: publicly report at least one hundred and nine million dollars
33:26
Speaker 2: in procurement commitments, and it certainly raises fresh concerns about
33:30
Speaker 2: accountability and waste in defense spending. Can you just tell
33:35
Speaker 2: us about your opinion on this, especially at a time
33:38
Speaker 2: when Australian needs to be well supported in the military capability.
33:44
Speaker 16: Well, this issue really comes down to public trust. So
33:47
Speaker 16: every dollar that is given to defense, the public has
33:50
Speaker 16: an expectation that it will be spent responsibly and it
33:53
Speaker 16: will be accounted for. Now, defense acquisition and procurement is
33:58
Speaker 16: a complex business, no doubt, but some of the wastes
34:02
Speaker 16: that the a ANDAO have identified do nothing to help
34:04
Speaker 16: reinforce the confidence that we need in government and the
34:08
Speaker 16: confidence we have to have in our military to use
34:10
Speaker 16: our resources wisely. So reports such as these really do
34:14
Speaker 16: undermine issues of confidence. Trust is essential to defense in
34:19
Speaker 16: marshaling the resources it needs to be able to defend
34:22
Speaker 16: this country, particularly a time when we're under the economic
34:25
Speaker 16: pressure that see priority of decisions having to be made
34:28
Speaker 16: between education, health, the central services, and defense. So this
34:32
Speaker 16: issue is about trust and confidence, and it's important that
34:35
Speaker 16: Defense can maintain that with the government and with the public.
34:38
Speaker 2: And does it add rubbing salt in the wounds though,
34:41
Speaker 2: knowing that defense sites like Victoria Barracks are being sold
34:45
Speaker 2: while this level of spending and waste is happening on
34:48
Speaker 2: the other side over here.
34:50
Speaker 16: Well, I think any defense capital investment program that relies
34:55
Speaker 16: on selling defense a state in order to fund it
34:59
Speaker 16: is pretty weak as a concept. But as you say,
35:03
Speaker 16: these sorts of decisions always come with consequence and they're
35:06
Speaker 16: not helped when on one hand we can see waste
35:09
Speaker 16: and inefficiency which e roads trust, and on the other
35:12
Speaker 16: we can see desperation in terms of finding alternate ways
35:15
Speaker 16: to fund a defense budget which appears to be insufficient
35:18
Speaker 16: in scope and scale.
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Speaker 2: Well in Langford, I appreciate your time tonight after the
35:23
Speaker 2: break the push by labors is Lamophobia envoid to remove
35:27
Speaker 2: the term ideology from the definition of terrorism. Critics have
35:31
Speaker 2: slammed the proposal. We speak to one of them next,
35:40
Speaker 2: Welcome back. It's great to have your company. Now to
35:43
Speaker 2: that news today that the Albanezer government is refusing to
35:47
Speaker 2: say whether it supports the proposal from its own Islamophobia envoy,
35:52
Speaker 2: who has recommended that ideology be removed from the definition
35:55
Speaker 2: of terrorism in their submission to the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 3: You heard that right.
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Speaker 2: Critics have warned it could weaken Australia's counter terror response.
36:04
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke was asked about this proposal
36:08
Speaker 2: today and largely brushed it off.
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Speaker 12: The definitions of terrorism the US tend to be international
36:13
Speaker 12: when we tend to work pretty cooperatively, particularly with our
36:17
Speaker 12: Five Eyes partners, in how we work through those principles
36:20
Speaker 12: that report's been given a government, there will be a
36:24
Speaker 12: formal response, but certainly at the moment the definitions we're
36:28
Speaker 12: using our global definitions where idiotter acts very well with
36:32
Speaker 12: the different partners.
36:33
Speaker 4: So beha.
36:35
Speaker 2: Now. One of the critics of the Islamophobia Envoys proposal
36:39
Speaker 2: is former AFP Detective at Superintendent David Craig, and he
36:42
Speaker 2: joins me, Now, David, your response to this is online
36:46
Speaker 2: today and you say the proposal is in fact the
36:49
Speaker 2: perfect guys for hiding crime. It's actually almost laughable in
36:55
Speaker 2: that how are we meant to deal with terror threats
36:58
Speaker 2: if we can't even describe it?
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Speaker 17: Well, we can't. I mean we simply can't. I mean
37:05
Speaker 17: it is a naive and blatantly stupid idea. I've never
37:10
Speaker 17: seen something so that would be so defeative of the
37:14
Speaker 17: good efforts that have been put into fight crime in
37:17
Speaker 17: every respect, not just terrorism, but terrorism and extremism in
37:22
Speaker 17: all its forms. Ideology is a basis for it to discount.
37:28
Speaker 17: That means you lose the ability to measure it, react
37:32
Speaker 17: to it, put social services around it, intervene when you
37:36
Speaker 17: need to. I mean, this just simply glosses over and
37:41
Speaker 17: in the current environment only I'm speaking. I think that
37:45
Speaker 17: these changes, if they were implemented, radical Islam and anti
37:50
Speaker 17: Semitism would fester and grow to an even highest high
37:54
Speaker 17: level in Australia.
37:55
Speaker 2: So also within this submission, it was said that defining
37:59
Speaker 2: terror by their motive did not work, And as I
38:03
Speaker 2: read that, I thought, I'm going to need you to
38:06
Speaker 2: explain the logic behind that statement, because I would have
38:09
Speaker 2: thought that motive is a crucial piece of information.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I'd like to be able to explain that propose,
38:19
Speaker 17: but I'm sorry, it makes no sense whatsoever. Of course,
38:22
Speaker 17: motive is primarily important it to any sort of crime.
38:27
Speaker 17: I mean, religion, ideology, and state are all combined under
38:32
Speaker 17: Islamic jurisprudence. That they are combined together, and that is
38:36
Speaker 17: a telltale sign of Islamic terrorism. Neo Nazi terrorism is
38:41
Speaker 17: different again, it has a different form of ideology, a
38:43
Speaker 17: different radicalization pathway, and regardless of where it is, we
38:47
Speaker 17: need to measure these things accurately so we can deal
38:50
Speaker 17: with them both in a policy level and an operational level.
38:55
Speaker 2: You mentioned before about how in this current climate anti
38:59
Speaker 2: Semitism would be able to continue to fester if we
39:02
Speaker 2: remove terms like ideology. Out of this, Outside of that,
39:06
Speaker 2: what other practical impact do you think this would have
39:09
Speaker 2: on police investigations and overall our national security?
39:16
Speaker 17: Look, if I can just give it, terrorism is a
39:18
Speaker 17: very complex crime type. If we just apply this to
39:22
Speaker 17: domestic violence, just say, if we were going to remove
39:24
Speaker 17: gender from all our crime statistics in relation to recording
39:28
Speaker 17: domestic violence, then suddenly we don't know who most of
39:31
Speaker 17: the perpetrators are. We don't know who most of the
39:34
Speaker 17: victims are. We don't know how to support the victims,
39:36
Speaker 17: We don't know how to stop the offenders. We don't
39:39
Speaker 17: know how to put in place policies around supporting that
39:42
Speaker 17: crime the offenders of that crime so that they don't
39:45
Speaker 17: actually become offenders. You simply can't deal with it. This
39:49
Speaker 17: is like simply glossing over essential data. The UK has
39:55
Speaker 17: ended up in a terrible, terrible position, particularly with our counterterrorism,
40:00
Speaker 17: because of this nebulous approach where everyone is too scared
40:03
Speaker 17: to call things out and call them out as they are.
40:07
Speaker 17: The truth is the truth. We just want data. We
40:09
Speaker 17: don't want vilification of any group or anything, but we
40:13
Speaker 17: do need accurate data to deal with crime matters. So
40:16
Speaker 17: we don't want to end up like the UK does,
40:18
Speaker 17: where everyone's too scared to report a culture, a race,
40:22
Speaker 17: of religion, some defining defining feature for fear of offending.
40:28
Speaker 6: That does not work in crime.
40:29
Speaker 17: We need accurate data to deal with crime problems accurately.
40:34
Speaker 2: I'd love to get your thoughts on the news today
40:37
Speaker 2: the way Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke conceded that it'll
40:41
Speaker 2: be difficult to ban the suspected ISIS fighters from returning
40:45
Speaker 2: to Australia. So therese are thirteen Australian men suspected of
40:49
Speaker 2: fighting for Islamic State and they're due to have their
40:51
Speaker 2: cases reviewed in Iraq now, Minister Burke says the legal
40:56
Speaker 2: threshold makes it tough to police this. Surely the government
41:01
Speaker 2: has mechanisms in place where they can stop this madness,
41:05
Speaker 2: or tighten this threshold, or do whatever they can to
41:08
Speaker 2: be able to prevent these people coming back.
41:13
Speaker 17: Well, who wrote the thresholds this high? The government did
41:19
Speaker 17: though written to stop this exact. In fact, I doubt
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Speaker 17: when this was written that the architects of the legislation
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Speaker 17: thought that it would be such a savage response or
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Speaker 17: such an inept piece of legislation. This is exactly why
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Speaker 17: we have protection, sorry, temporary protection orders to prevent people
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Speaker 17: coming back to Australia. We need to be able to
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Speaker 17: do that and if they can't meet the threshold, change
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Speaker 17: the law so they do.
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Speaker 6: Now the government will come out when they hear.
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Speaker 17: This sort of response now say oh yeah, but there
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Speaker 17: could be a constitutional challenge and it'll go to the
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Speaker 17: High Court. Well, yeah, let's take it to the High Court,
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Speaker 17: because this is our country and we will decide who
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Speaker 17: comes here and if we think they're a day to
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Speaker 17: other Australians, we will not let them in here.
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Speaker 6: And we'll argue that in the High Court.
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Speaker 17: You know, it's not a matter of putting our hands
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Speaker 17: up and going well, I don't think we can meet it.
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Speaker 17: We'll just let them in. Because this is a real
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Speaker 17: legacy issue. We will be dealing with this issue of terrorism,
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Speaker 17: which will accelerate with these types of people coming in.
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Speaker 17: And I have got no doubt that the threat of
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Speaker 17: terrorism will increase vastly over the next ten to twenty years.
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Speaker 17: If these people are allowed back in Australia, we should
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Speaker 17: be able to identify who comes back and under what
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Speaker 17: conditions they come back. The government simply says, well, we're
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Speaker 17: not facilitating and letting terrorists or suspected terrorists pick their
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Speaker 17: time to come through our borders. And what does that
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Speaker 17: say about border security and this government?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very well, said David.
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Speaker 2: And I guess from your experience, do you think those
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Speaker 2: programs that the government keeps saying whether they can voluntarily
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Speaker 2: go through the deradicalization programs, would that make any iota
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Speaker 2: of a difference if they actually put their hands up
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Speaker 2: to go and do those sort of programs.
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Speaker 6: I'm not a big fan of deradicalization.
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Speaker 17: I mean, it can have some effect on young juveniles,
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Speaker 17: but that's where it ends. I mean, I have never
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Speaker 17: seen a successful deracalization program.
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Speaker 6: Once someone's.
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Speaker 17: Switches flicked and that they are completely committed to an
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Speaker 17: ideology and killing in the name of.
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Speaker 6: God, you need a hell of a lot of words
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Speaker 6: to stop that.
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Speaker 17: No matter role models or religious teaching can pull someone
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Speaker 17: back from that.
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Speaker 6: It's really I wish it wasn't the case. I really do.
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Speaker 17: I mean, I would love there to be a great
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Speaker 17: deracalization program. I just haven't seen one yet. I'm researching
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Speaker 17: into it now. I would like to.
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Speaker 6: Know if there is anywhere successful there's a lot of.
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Speaker 17: Words around how good they are, and I think that
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Speaker 17: they make people feel good, but the effect is it
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Speaker 17: doesn't stop people being radicalized.
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Speaker 2: It's very concerning. David Craig, thank you for joining me. Well,
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Speaker 2: after the break, universities are called before the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: into Anti Semitism. So how should our tertiary administrators be
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Speaker 2: held accountable for allowing encampus so festa on campuses?
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Speaker 3: That's next, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's go now to the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: and reports universities will be forced to adopt formal definitions
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Speaker 2: of antisemitism, Islamophobia and racism against Indigenous Australians. The federal
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Speaker 2: government has flagged the move as university leaders face scrutiny
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Speaker 2: at the Royal Commission over their handling of campus protests.
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Speaker 2: Here to talk us through the latest is education editor
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Speaker 2: at The Australian, Natasha Bitter.
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Speaker 3: Natasha, thank you for joining me.
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Speaker 2: The encampments across universities following the October seven terror attack
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Speaker 2: in Israel really showcase the ugly side of antisemitism in
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Speaker 2: this country. Many argue the university administrators did nothing to
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Speaker 2: protect Jewish students and staff during that time. Have we
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Speaker 2: seen any willingness from our universities to strength and safety
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Speaker 2: and accountability since.
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Speaker 18: Well, there's a lot of lip service to this. However,
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Speaker 18: Jewish students gave evidence today at the Royal Commission that
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Speaker 18: they're still suffering anti semitism and hatred of Jewish people.
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Speaker 18: They're getting hitler hand gestures, they're being told they're baby killers.
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Speaker 18: After the encampments, we had issues where pro Palestinian protesters
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Speaker 18: were just barging into lecture rooms and screaming at students
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Speaker 18: and refusing to leave. We've had issues where students will
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Speaker 18: turn their backs on Jewish students. Jewish students have hidden
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Speaker 18: their identities. Now, can you imagine for one minute if
45:58
Speaker 18: we said that Christian students were too scared to wear
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Speaker 18: across to university would totally be completely unacceptable, and yet
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Speaker 18: somehow this is tolerated against Jewish students. We've seen terrorist
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Speaker 18: flags flown, we have seen anti Semitic stickers plastered over universities,
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Speaker 18: We've seen tirades against students, and we have to remember
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Speaker 18: that universities are places of learning, they're not meant to
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Speaker 18: be places of protest, and that some of the students
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Speaker 18: are seventeen years old, seventeen and eighteen year olds, so
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Speaker 18: surely these universities have a duty of care not only
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Speaker 18: to their own stuff, but to the students.
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Speaker 2: It's been incredibly distressing listening to some of that testimony
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Speaker 2: that was coming out today and of course previously as
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Speaker 2: well within the Royal Commission. But what do you expect
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission we'll find from the grilling of the
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Speaker 2: university chiefs that's set to be underway this week.
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Speaker 18: Oh, I think they'll find an awful lot of we've
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Speaker 18: been looking away, nothing to see here, denial, lots and
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Speaker 18: lots of comments about you know, we of course denounce
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Speaker 18: and deplore antisemitism, but what we need is practical action
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Speaker 18: and no tolerance policy. I don't understand why students who
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Speaker 18: will you know, make Nazi salutes at other students. Aren't
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Speaker 18: it just expelled immediately.
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Speaker 3: Same goes for staff.
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Speaker 18: If you're going to run around screaming into farder at
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Speaker 18: people will go and work somewhere else. That is not
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Speaker 18: the standard that we should be accepting on our university campuses.
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Speaker 18: The universities eighteen months ago all agreed to a common
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Speaker 18: definition of antisemitism. That's important because if you're going to
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Speaker 18: accuse someone of antisemitism, you need to have a standard
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Speaker 18: to measure them against. If you want to take any action,
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Speaker 18: you know, through workplace laws, you need to say they've
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Speaker 18: breached a standard. Now months on, only a handful of
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Speaker 18: universities actually have a definition, and some of them are
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Speaker 18: inventing their own definitions and allowing people to criticize Zionism
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Speaker 18: and Israel in a way that can be very threatening
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Speaker 18: to Jewish students who've got nothing to do with what
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Speaker 18: is happening in Israel at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And just very quickly in Natasha, what did you make
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Speaker 2: over the weekend with we're focusing on salaries coming out
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Speaker 2: of universities vice chancells. They've always had considerable pay, haven't they.
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Speaker 1: They have.
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Speaker 18: It's a good gig if you can get one. It's
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Speaker 18: the average salary now is about one point one million
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Speaker 18: dollars a year. Then there's a whole layer of deputy
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Speaker 18: vice chancellors below that, all getting about seven hundred thousand
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Speaker 18: a year. That's more than the prime minister is paid.
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Speaker 3: It's a lot of money, isn't it. Thank you so much? Natasha?
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on. It's now time for the
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Speaker 2: Vault report.