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KNOXXY - Dvmn Pigeon's French Toast · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: What's up. I'm not from Don Pajon and I'm on
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  Speaker 1: Eating Wild Broke.
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  Speaker 2: Yes and she done? People, fuck that up. Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: another episode of Eating Wild Broke. I'm your host, Colleen Witt,
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  Speaker 2: and today we have very special guest knocks from Don Pajeon.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all in the building. This is her clothing line. She
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  Speaker 2: has accessories boots that I absolutely love, and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to harass her because I need to be rocking these black,
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  Speaker 2: black and the red. They had the red tongue. You
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  Speaker 2: know which ones I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the military joints with the red tongue.
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  Speaker 2: I promise you guys, when you see me out with it,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a picture and post it in the video.
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  Speaker 2: But but yeah, Don's in the building. You are from
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  Speaker 2: New York, so this is a very special episode for
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  Speaker 2: me because I'm also from New York. Yeah, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know that. Yeah, that's what I wanted to call it,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Pigeon.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of people do until they know. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, if you don't know, you don't know, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna read it like damn pigeon. But when I tell
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  Speaker 1: you don't you're like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit, So why did you name it that instead
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  Speaker 2: of damn pigeon?
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  Speaker 1: It was damn pigeon.
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  Speaker 2: It was right, It's so fresh though.
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  Speaker 1: But then my man's knocked up my dorm room and
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  Speaker 1: he said, yo, you know, you gotta call it Don Pajeon.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's fly, that's fly.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like, as a New Yorker, there's like
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  Speaker 2: something truly special as damn Pigeon, but for the sake
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  Speaker 2: of Don Pageon and respecting the name because it does
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  Speaker 2: sound it does sound more luxurious luxurious when you say that,
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  Speaker 2: but then you get like the Timberlain vibe when you
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  Speaker 2: hear damn pigeon. But you know, maybe there could be
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  Speaker 2: like a mixed like video where you do damn Pigeon
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  Speaker 2: and down Pugeon and like you have two different fits.
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  Speaker 1: And one is giving and one is giving. Damn pigeon.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, would it would be cool? Please if you do that.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to see it, or you know what,
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe I could work on my team creating it
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  Speaker 2: and then like sending it to you. Should we do
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  Speaker 2: the Damn Pigeon version versus the Don Pajon.
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  Speaker 1: I got the outfits for real?
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yo, let's do it. Let's do it. So
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  Speaker 2: what are you gonna have us eating today? On eating
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  Speaker 2: while broke?
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  Speaker 1: Today, I'm gonna be cooking some French toasts because I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna lie. This is special for me because I
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  Speaker 1: don't cook.
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  Speaker 2: So it specially be special for me because you're cooking
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  Speaker 2: for me.
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  Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's a fact, and people, I
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  Speaker 1: like pride myself on how I can't cook, so when
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  Speaker 1: people watch me do this, they're gonna be like, there's
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  Speaker 1: no fucking way not just cooking.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, so you can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot myself on that though I like I pride
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  Speaker 2: yourself on not being able to to.
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  Speaker 1: There's some things that people do well and there's things
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  Speaker 1: that people don't do well. I like to do what
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  Speaker 1: I do well and what I don't just admit it,
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  Speaker 1: own it and let other people handle what they do
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  Speaker 1: well well.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on a cooking show to tell
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  Speaker 2: your story and taking one for the team by cooking
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  Speaker 2: us French toasts, so we whenever I jump in on
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  Speaker 2: a meal, I tend to burn it. So I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: stay in my lane as much as possible to not
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  Speaker 2: distract you, but I definitely want you to take me
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  Speaker 2: back to what was going on in the era of
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  Speaker 2: French toast.
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  Speaker 1: My era of French toast, you know, growing up as
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  Speaker 1: a kid, it's the first thing that I got put
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  Speaker 1: on to how to cook. My Mom's like it's easy,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And then when I got older, I'm at
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  Speaker 1: a shorty house or whatever, can you cook? No, but
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  Speaker 1: I got the French toast, you know, and then I be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the crib by myself, need something to eat,
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  Speaker 1: eggs and French toasts. A couple of new Pizza Hut wings.
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  Speaker 1: Those are like my holy right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember when I got the email. The
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  Speaker 2: initial email response was your meal was gonna be Pizza
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  Speaker 2: Hut wings, and I was like, no, if we're shooting
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  Speaker 2: in New York, she could do it. But in LA
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  Speaker 2: because we had the studio and it's a cook top,
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  Speaker 2: you had to cook. So I appreciate you not fighting
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  Speaker 2: back like no, this is what I ate when I
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  Speaker 2: was broke.
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  Speaker 1: Man. Nah. I was nervous though, because I'm like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: and then me and my manager, I'm like, oh, French toes,
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  Speaker 1: French talk. It gives the French I could do that.
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  Speaker 2: If you had to choose between French toast pancakes and
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  Speaker 2: what's the third French toast pancakes and waffle and a waffle?
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  Speaker 2: Which one would you choose?
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  Speaker 1: Freunch toast all day?
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  Speaker 2: Me too.
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  Speaker 1: I will go French toast, one waffle, second pancakes.
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  Speaker 2: Pancakes as I can't stand. I cannot stay in pancakes.
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  Speaker 2: Believe it or not. I make it every day for
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  Speaker 2: my daughter. That's how much I hate pancakes. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know why I do that.
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  Speaker 1: They're hard to make, and you gotta really be because
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  Speaker 1: when you bust open in the middle, sometimes it's not
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  Speaker 1: sitting how it's supposed to be sitting. It's not like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some people's ship. It's still like dude, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's the easiest thing to make because
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  Speaker 2: nowadays you could just buy the pancake mix, add the water,
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  Speaker 2: create the consistency, put the butter in.
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  Speaker 1: Done.
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  Speaker 2: I literally every Sunday night, if you call me around
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  Speaker 2: eight o'clock, what are you doing. I'm making a week's
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  Speaker 2: worth of pancakes for my two year old.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's up.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's up every Sunday. But go ahead, and start
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  Speaker 2: this dish. And uh, well, first, what are the ingredients
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  Speaker 2: for your French toast? Because it looks very simple.
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  Speaker 1: It's as simple as you could get. We got bread
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  Speaker 1: over here, we got some cinnamon, two eggs, vanilla extract
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  Speaker 1: or some you know what I'm saying. It's a milk,
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  Speaker 1: that's it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it in some butter. But all right, well, get
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  Speaker 2: to whiskey in while I throw some questions and find
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  Speaker 2: out how Don Pogon came about.
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  Speaker 1: I have to turn this on first. I might need
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  Speaker 1: some might need some tips, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, right now she has the stove. Bye, so
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  Speaker 2: I feel like whatever is gonna happen, it's gonna burn.
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  Speaker 2: Let's put it, okay, I'll have to help you. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 2: put it? Well, not low, but like three or four.
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  Speaker 1: I think we had a three and a half. That's good.
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  Speaker 2: Up a little bit more?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry actually four?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, all right, so you got the milk. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just watching you. I'm calling it out so our
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  Speaker 2: listeners can hear. I mean, if this, if this comes
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  Speaker 2: out terrible, I can't wait. One egg. Well, look, you're
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  Speaker 2: cracking your eggs pretty good for someone that can't cook
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  Speaker 2: and wait wait, no, no, no, no, you got a whisker. Yeah, guys,
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  Speaker 2: Oh this is hilarious. She's really struggling in the kitchen. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so okay.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to do the fork.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a whisker, and then you gotta do
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  Speaker 2: the uh I think you have you have to add
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  Speaker 2: on me. Well, I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch this happen.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think I'm surprised myself.
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  Speaker 2: By the way you added almond milk versus regular milk.
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  Speaker 2: So let's see how this holds up. This almond milk
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  Speaker 2: that's what they said in the email.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's what I like.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well let's see. Have you ever made friends shops
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  Speaker 2: with almond milk?
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  Speaker 1: Nope, I was gonna take dairy for the team.
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  Speaker 2: But so, take me back to prior way before Don
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  Speaker 2: Pujon even arrived on the scene, Like, take me back
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  Speaker 2: to what what your home environment was like.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm, Well, I grew up with two parents and I'm biracial.
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  Speaker 1: My mom's white, my dad's black. I grew up in
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  Speaker 1: upstate New York, so it's kind of by like Syracuse.
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  Speaker 2: Syracuse, that's crazy. I'm from Brooklyn, and upstate, but by
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  Speaker 2: Port Jervis and Middletown. Do you know that's where like
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  Speaker 2: crack and heroin are just murdering everybody.
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  Speaker 1: That's my city. I'm from Elmira. You know when people
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  Speaker 1: get sent upstate and go like to jail, like Southport Box,
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  Speaker 1: Elmira Penitentiary. So my town is known for prisons, like
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  Speaker 1: super heavy on the prison.
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  Speaker 2: Dang, do they ever have people break out of prison
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  Speaker 2: and they end up in your backyard or something?
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  Speaker 1: Now, we had a person break out of prison when
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  Speaker 1: I was in high school. Oh, it was pretty dope.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, that's the only thing a small town could
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  Speaker 2: talk about.
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  Speaker 1: High schools right next to the prison. So it was wild,
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  Speaker 1: Like people were worried, but I was never really worried
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  Speaker 1: about it. But as a kid, you know, regular kids
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  Speaker 1: should riding the bike, getting in getting into trouble on
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  Speaker 1: purpose type shit.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So in the upstate where I'm from. Upstate
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  Speaker 2: New York is pretty racist, is it? Where is it
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  Speaker 2: racist where you're from?
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  Speaker 1: You have to deal with that, Yeah, But something crazy
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  Speaker 1: about my town. It's crazy story. We call it zebra town, right,
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  Speaker 1: h because all of the inmates or whatever from the pen,
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  Speaker 1: they get out and they have babies with white women.
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  Speaker 1: So my town per capita as the most biracial. People, like,
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  Speaker 1: get the freak out.
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  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. I wish portan about it, because, uh, well,
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  Speaker 2: I came out in the air. I always tell people
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  Speaker 2: I was in the eighties where like me and mixed
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  Speaker 2: was like rare. But you're you're younger than me. So,
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  Speaker 2: but I guess you went to school with a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of mulattos.
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  Speaker 1: A bunch of mulatto's, and then we had whites and blacks,
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  Speaker 1: and the whites, you know, they was a little bit racist.
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  Speaker 1: But there was so many light skinned people, like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of our moms is white, but they like hood white.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you're trying to say, So there was a
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  Speaker 1: little racism. I didn't really feel it though, because I
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  Speaker 1: was around a whole bunch of light skin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's supers interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So your parents stay married, they married right now? Oh
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  Speaker 2: so you get to see what real love looks like,
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  Speaker 2: real love and devotion. So tell us for all those
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  Speaker 2: married people that have been married forever. Do your parents
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  Speaker 2: look happy?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they're super happy. But it's like, uh, they so
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  Speaker 1: happy when they fight all the time. Is funny because
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  Speaker 1: they just say whatever. It's not disrespectful, but it's it's funny,
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  Speaker 1: like it's so real.
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  Speaker 2: Like like they like your mom will like, well, I
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  Speaker 2: guess she won't curse your dad out, but should just
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  Speaker 2: tell him how it is.
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  Speaker 1: Tell him how it is. And my dad be like,
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  Speaker 1: shut up, like you know, just be quiet.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that's the secrets of relationships? Just get
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  Speaker 2: it off the chest, right off the top.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I do a funny thing about my parents the
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  Speaker 1: other day. Uh my dad's like, well, divorce me, and
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  Speaker 1: my mom's like, I'll divorce you tomorrow. Just get the
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  Speaker 1: fuck out of my room, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, just chill.
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  Speaker 1: They chilly, each other's best friends. They super chill.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, okay, so now I got the
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  Speaker 1: batter mix.
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  Speaker 2: Now you gotta just butter. Now it is fun fact.
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  Speaker 2: I love butter. I will go through a brick of butter.
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  Speaker 2: I would say per every three dishes, like literally, because
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  Speaker 2: I literally basee the pan in butter.
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  Speaker 1: Especially keep it a butt. I don't even I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: do it right here.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually brilliant. I usually leave the rapper on and just.
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  Speaker 1: That's brilliant too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, I like the way you do it.
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  Speaker 2: I may steal it, but like I said, I go
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  Speaker 2: through way too much butder I have to buy it
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  Speaker 2: and bulk it cost costco. That's how unhealthy my habits are.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even creak. So I'm like, do I eat
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  Speaker 1: butter like that? Whoever's cooking my shit is using butter?
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming. Yeah, I might be way too much butter.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's good. You want it lathered in butter. Butter
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  Speaker 2: is the secret sauce.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Is it?
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  Speaker 2: It is? It is anytime you're making eggs.
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  Speaker 1: I got but is that a shell in there?
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  Speaker 2: How'd you get a shell in it?
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  Speaker 1: In the butter?
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  Speaker 2: Not?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: It is suh, that's wild. Get that out of this.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna give you credit. I was gonna give
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  Speaker 2: you credit. So you grow up in a multi racial home.
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  Speaker 1: You have siblings, Yeah, I got a little I got
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  Speaker 1: a little brother. We like best friends. Yeah, a year
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  Speaker 1: younger than me. Could I start knock?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Go ahead, man, I'm hungry.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. The dude doing the things.
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  Speaker 2: I want to see you do this. See if she
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  Speaker 2: does it right. My thing is like, you got a
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  Speaker 2: sat raped bread. No no, no, no, no, no, don't don't. Don't
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  Speaker 2: follow my lead. Okay, I mean knowing to burn dishes
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  Speaker 2: on this show.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you do that, then the bread ain't breading
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  Speaker 1: in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: So you got you came from middle class or poor.
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  Speaker 1: I came from middle class Almira, which is poor.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that about anybody upstate. Anything outside of
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  Speaker 2: the city is like, yeah, you're pretty much poor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just to be there, It's like, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: grew up like, you know, middle class on Myra. I
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  Speaker 1: guess you know, we got a little house's tiny, one
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  Speaker 1: bathroom type shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yep, that sounds about right.
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  Speaker 1: Tiny. But none of my people's had bread, Like none
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  Speaker 1: of my friends had bread, none of my grandparents, you don't.
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  Speaker 1: It was normal.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like in small towns they always have like
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  Speaker 2: the they always have the fresh kicks, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: the rich kid always had the fresh new sneakers. Or
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  Speaker 2: it was all about the sneakers, like if you weren't
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  Speaker 2: wearing like the name brand knewest sneaker. But that's how
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  Speaker 2: we would tell if you had money, which looking back,
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  Speaker 2: didn't make it any sense I don't have to.
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  Speaker 1: Have money that because I always had some fresh sneakers.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you was popular? Yeah yeah, yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: was popular.
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  Speaker 1: But I was always in the kicks, even like five
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  Speaker 1: years old. My mom would be like, yo, you always
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  Speaker 1: knew like the Jordans and shit, Like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how you learned it, because my mom's not fashionable.
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  Speaker 2: She's not like what about your pops.
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  Speaker 1: Pops is older. He fashionable, but in an old man like.
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  Speaker 2: An old school way, like the pimp play away or
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  Speaker 2: play away like the Loafers, Like loafers, he got a
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  Speaker 2: walk with a king Pin play away. Yeah okay, so
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  Speaker 2: you were always into fashion, so you always knew you
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  Speaker 2: were going to have a clothing brand.
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  Speaker 1: No, I just always knew I was gonna be fly.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So take us out of the home environment and
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  Speaker 2: tell me what's the next step towards don Pajon.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I could fast forward all the way through high school.
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  Speaker 1: I was just fly. Then when I got to college,
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  Speaker 1: I started thrifting. I went to college at a few
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: different places. Boy, I started thrifting with Elford State. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a technical school, little Juco near Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, And you say, thrifting. Are you doing like nasty
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  Speaker 2: gal status where you were like shopping for closing and
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  Speaker 2: selling it online for more.
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  Speaker 1: No. I was going to the thrift store and finding
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  Speaker 1: things like old army jackets or old varsity jackets, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, whatever embellishments they had on them, I'd
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  Speaker 1: take them off and like paint on them or add
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  Speaker 1: like my own patches and shit like that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I found an embroidery lady, and I was looking
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  Speaker 1: through the book, you know, just looking through the book,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw the pigeon and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is fucking fresh. So I started putting the pigeon
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  Speaker 1: on everything, man on everything, all types of shit.
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  Speaker 2: But did you have the name yet?
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we had. We had a dad pigeon and
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: that was just we got high, me and my friends,
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  Speaker 1: and we had this idea of how to make a
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: store look like Central Park. We walk in, there's fucking
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  Speaker 1: grass on the floor and the hangers are like pigeons
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  Speaker 1: with the wings and the and the lights were like
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  Speaker 1: the park lights and shit, that's cool. Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: we're like, damn pigeon and it would be like so
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  Speaker 1: dope to have a store like that, and then we
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  Speaker 1: made hats with white paint on them, like we were
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  Speaker 1: getting shitted on by pigeons and it's just that damn
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: pigeon that's hilarious. Yeah. So so, but now this is.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Something you would talk about amongst your friends. When did
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: it become When did you start to realize it started
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: to morph into a business.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Ooh. When I first moved out to California, I was
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: twenty one and I still had damn pigeon stuff, right,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: But when I came out here, I started getting in
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: the culture shock, like everybody wasn't as fresh. So the
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: people i'm I'm like, damn, I want to go to
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: the club, but you look kind of wicked. I'm being real.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: So I used to dress my friends up like this
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: is better, and they used to get compliments. They come
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: back to the crib and be like, yo, I got
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: stopped by like five people today, ten people today. I'm like,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: were like stop, like they want to buy the sweater okay, okay.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: So then I will started turning like I could sell
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: these joints. So then I made a website, got my
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: first order, which I was thankful for, God willing, God blessing,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: and it just started rolling, so.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: You okay, So what made you actually go and say
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get this website? What was that triggering point?
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: The compliments that the homies were getting on the gear.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: But they were giving you compliments based off styling.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: They was giving me compliments. This motherfucker outside wanted to
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: buy the sweater, but.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: It was sweaters that you were designing, or what the
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: swas that you were designing. Okay, so you were you
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: were putting them in Oh okay, so yeah, so then
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, hell yeah I could make or maybe
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: the homie came back and was like here's the number
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: he wants to buy it, or is that what triggered it?
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Homies came back with no sweater, sold it off their
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: back type shit.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Get the freak out? Did you ask how much? Was
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: it impressive?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: At like sixty eighty? I was like kind of crazy?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Did they text you before they sold it?
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Or nah? They just sold it?
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Came back like like can you make another one?
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly because that's all I wore. So that's all I
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: was wearing my own shits. So people see me out
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: like what is that and just hats you know, what's
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: about branding?
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I'm just now learning it, hence hat.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: But okay, so then you create this website. Now did
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you know anything about marketing? How did you start marketing it?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Instagram was still young back then, so just a whole
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: bunch of pictures and linking with people and putting my
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: pride and ego to the side, like, yo, if I
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: get to you for free, whien you tag me or
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: wear it? Helped me out. Then I started promoting parties
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: in like the first fifty people free, get a dumpuge
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: on hat, get the freak out. Yeah, And then I knew,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: how are you covering all the costs for all of this?
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Were you side hustling? Yeah, let me tell you something
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: about this show. If you're entrepreneur and you didn't sign hustle.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I had a girl on here, got a dude, you
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: gotta do fake luxury prints and selling them out the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: trunk of her card.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I was selling Kicks. I was selling anything that could sell.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I was selling Kicks and a whole bunch of shit,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: but I was putting it back into the brand. And
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I went downtown and I did a lot of footwork,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you know, So I was getting the best stuff for
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the lowest price because I was like out there every
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: day building relationship. You know what I'm saying. Some people
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: will make the hats and let me pay them later later.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Wowship yeah, yeah, yeah, hell yeah. But that's what it's about.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: You know. You got to get out there, put yourself
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: out there, because if you don't, then you're just always
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: gonna make up another excuses why I can't do it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I don't got the money.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: What are your parenting the whole time?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I mean they were supportive. I got the best parents show,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: very supportive. When I first started at my mom was like,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if people go to wear Damn Pigeon
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: on the chest, but I'm like, it's not Damn pigeon, it's.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Don dompa on. I saw a video with I think
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: it was Tank wearing Don Pygeon shirt. It was red,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: but it had a shininess to the material, and I
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: was like that fucking sure.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: It was like leather. That wasn't one of my designs
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: where I really killed them when I put the.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: But it was it. But yeah, yeah, it was a leather.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: It was like a red. It was like a shinier material.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I said, damn, I don't even know how you did that.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: But I was thoroughly like, that's a nice ass shirt.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That design was inspired by like Egyptian pharaohs, you
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: know how they used to have all those like gold chains.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And I just put a piece of fabric that overlaid
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: right there.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Now, did you when that piece? I didn't see on
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: your website.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Though it's old, it's super it's super old.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: But it's super nice.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And what happens You just retire it and that's it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they gotta go. They gotta they gotta get hung
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: with the jerseys and the rafters. You know what I'm saying.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: You always gotta be new and come fresh. Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Man, So have you ever had anyone, like say myself,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: that's like, Yo, this one shirt, where can I get it?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: And you're like, nah, it sold out?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Hell yeah. I feel like that's how you build
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: hype around your brand, you know what I'm.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Saying, By having like limited editions, and of.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Course, if everybody could get it anytime they want it,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: there's no mystique around it. Why should I come back?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Why should I spend right now? Why should I Why
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: should this be an impulsive buy? If I know I
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: can get it all the time.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So that one shirt he has there may only have
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: been like a hundred of that one.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: That one, the one that tank had probably like twenty
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: get the freak out. Yeah, probably like twenty.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: If y'all don't know that's y'all can probably look up
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that shirt online. That shirt was Hella Fresh. I think
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: we should Pastor knocks every day until she brings it back.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I might, because you know, fashion comes back around.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really did it? I don't think that shirt would
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: ever go out.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: It is a classic now now you gotta be thinking
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: about it. Classic.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: It would have looked great with the red and black
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: sneak the boots.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: That was because it's got the leather.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah tell me, I see you let me know if
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you need a back seat. I'm definitely not the person
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that's style. I literally have to pay people to style me.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Like that's how terrible I am addressing.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Would do you like? Do you like fashion?
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I can appreciate it, but like if like, if I
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: need something done, I need someone to dress me, like
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: when I do. Like if you look at all the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: eating Wall Broke pictures, I had a stylist do it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Oh and he did a great job. He nailed my style,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: but I can't do it. I don't even know how
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to accessorize. I'm terrible.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, but I can't spot great shoes, great shoes,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: great sneakers all day, okay, like the Dome Pigeon, boots gone, the.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Site gone, don pygeon dot com, damnpigeon dot n YC,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: damnpigeon dot NYC. And then if you go in the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: boots section you will see what I'm talking about.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Listeners and I'm still flipping these, flipping these toes.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're taking forever to make some French tones. Seen
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: somebody take so long, but it looks good. And then,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: just so you know, guys, she was flattening the French toasta.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I mean that French tostal like a thin. You're gonna
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: stop her after two just to have a get out
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the kitchen and never go back. We ain't got no
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: syrup though, you know what Jared's gonna call cut when
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: you sit down, and we're gonna run out and get
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: syrup in a new fork and hook you up.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I haven't cooked this a mad long. It's very hot.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: It smells like French dostal. Are you proud of yourself?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I'm proud of the peace.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Really that thin as thin as that's how I like it,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: though it's too I want to I want to try
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: it like that. No, I'm gonna keep it say less,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: say less. I got you less less, Okay? So what
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: made you end up moving to Cali?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I was getting in trouble, Like what kind of trouble
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Like trouble trouble? Bill?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Do tell inspire all the all the gangsters.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I was broke, broke, but broke broke, broke, broke, Okay.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about at home making subs at the grocery store.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Make you know how you got cigarettes, but you goties
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: like rolling rollies, not even enough to buy a pack.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I was like rolling rollies, waiting for a nigga to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: drop his shit so I could get the tibet you
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: No way, okay, bros broke? Oh, I like this, broke, broke, broke, broke, okay.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And then I gotta broke sure from the Art Institute
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: of Hollywood, and I was like, damn, that sounds pretty dope.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: But my GPA was like a two point three, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, I'm gonna just be a failure.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Drinking still reserves and four locos drink away still reserves
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and four locos like the worst shit of your life? Okay, okay,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you know the two dollars Holla special at the little
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: bodega shit. Okay. So going down the bad path and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: just got into just mad trouble. You know. My mom
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: used to tell me you either gonna be like in
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: jail or really get caught up doing some bad shit
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: get hurt out here. So I got to bro sure.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: My mom called then had an interview. There was like, yeah,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you could come out here. Five days you got accepted,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and I was in shock, like damn, cause I don't
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: know nobody in Campa.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Mom called, she was trying to save you too.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was trying to save me.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: She was like get out.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the best. So she called.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: The school sent me an appointment.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So when I got to talk to them about my art,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: about my clothing line, they was like, yeah, come down.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So five days I went from working in the grocery
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: store making suffs. Five days later, I.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Wow, on your own, on my own, when you moved
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: out here with like how much cash to survive?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I sold my car. I had three thousand dollars and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: my mom she's a g She was giving me like
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: sixty dollars a week. You know what I'm saying.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Sixty dollars a week ain't ain't allowed for Cali. But
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I could see the appreciation in it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I appreciated it, but it wasn't it was going in
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I appreciated
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: it though, because I didn't have nothing. You know.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So what happened at the Art Institute.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I met a couple of friends. The best thing that
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: happened at the art Institute is I met a couple friends.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: They ended up, you know, kicking me out because I
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: had alcohol bottles on my mantle. But I was over
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: twenty one, so I just feel like that was an excuse. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: but then I really got out on my own. Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think it was a good looking back? Do
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you think it was great that it happened?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Heck? Yeah, that really motivated me to be like, Okay,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I wasn't doing anything at home. I come out here.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I feel like they don't want me to really grow
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: being in this school setting. And I played basketball and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I was in school all my life, so I was like, okay,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I'm done. Yeah with the scholastic, you know, athletic.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: But you didn't go home. Nah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Nah. I got a one bedroom and a bike from
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: like Walmart, and I started getting on my hustle.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Man, what were you doing?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Whatever I could, selling the kicks, making T shirts. I
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: got with a shorty that got kicked out too. She
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: knew how to sew. I was like, YO, could live
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: with me, just make just make the clothes, make my
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: ideas come to life. Because I had mad ideas. I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: just didn't have the functionality to be able to sew
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: back then. I can sew now, but back then I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: ain't know how she did so, giving her the infrastructure
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of safety and somewhere to stay. She was giving me
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: work and making my designs.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: But now you were in a relationship with her too.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: No, it was homie. It was the Homies girl.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, cool.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It was the Homies girl. Boom, I'm done take the kitchen.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Thank god she passed that. Okay, guys, we're gonna throw
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the commercials and guess some syrup. Look she throwing that towel.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're ever gonna see her in the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: kitchen ever again?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Or not?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: All right, you're throwing to the commercials. So Knox has
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: made our flat French toast. Hey, and uh it looks
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: it smells real French toasty. This will probably be her
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: last meal that she ever cooks.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be the last.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Really, what if another podcast is like, you gotta cook,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, no, I only cook for eating
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: while broke.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fact. Okay, that's a fact. I'm loyal
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I like that. I'm loyal too. I feel like, damn
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: pigeon is gonna be mine when you see me out. Guys,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: once I get that red shirt, you're gonna be You're
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: gonna be dripped once she gets that red shirt back.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Definitely do the red shirt.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: The red shirt is fresh.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the red shirt my sleep, Yeah, I definitely
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: do the red shirt.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, let's do a test of whether
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Knox can cook or whether she is a fraudulent cook.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I'm a fraudulent cook.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: In the back praying that she would flip the French
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: toast by the way.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Good money, really, let's see is good money man?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: You know what, Be honest, it's really hard to mess
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: up French toast. But for someone that does and cook.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: You did not mess this up. It takes the delicious.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Don't you wish you would have made all four?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Hunh, that's the fact. But you see the timing life's
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: about timing.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: The middle is kind of soft.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Oh my bad.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I actually like it. I actually like it. But I'm
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: trying to hate on you. But it's really hard to
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: hate because this actually came out pretty good.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll take that.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to hate on her because you can't cook,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: but I'm probably gonna your whole damn freend schuse right.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm about to eat this slice because you know what,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I was hungry anyway. First of all, you.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Should have made all four. But if it didn't take
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: you nineteen years to finish this and what it told
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you to make more, but you would have been cooking
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the whole interview.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back and tra your places with you
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: so you could cook. Let me cook for you, okay,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and see where your bars.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: You'll be like Colleen, we need to add you to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the shorty list, and I'll be like, you know, should
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: over those references, all right, So take me back once
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: you're done biting. I'm gonna take a step.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Boom, I'm done. I killed that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Okay. So you and this shorty are making clothes in
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: your house and you're flipping them. That's how you're surviving.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: La.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So not once did you end up getting a real
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: job from getting kicked out of the art institute. No,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: do you know how amazing of a feat that is?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Do you ever think back, like, holy cow, you want.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: To know the truth. I really never wanted a job,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: so I don't think about it. It's like I feel
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: like if I was working a to the odd job
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: before it felt like a crazier feet But now that
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you put it into perspective, it kind of is. Because
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of people got to just do whatever they
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: got to do out here.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I would start a company, even the people
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I mental, I always say, try to get unemployment. I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: mean like, try to get fired because then that will
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: at least cover well. Back then unemployment could it was
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: like sixteen hundred I think it's your max around two K.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: You could pay your rent and as long as you
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: made your rent, then you could keep your side hustle
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: going as long as so that unemployment so for you
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to be able to do that without unemployment or some
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: kind of assistance. I think that's incredible because I am
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: forever that person that's like, try to.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Get fired before you start your company, like get fired,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: don't quit, get fired.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think that's cool because that is
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: a big feat, especially for California when I and also
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to have like a one bedroom apartment. When I was
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: starting all my companies, I was always renting like a
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: room that was the size of like you could touch
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: all the walls and it was never ac I had
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: like twenty roommates. But you didn't do that. You literally
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: went from art institute to hustle. Hustle hustle. Now did
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you start making quotas like I better make two K
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: this month to survive or were you behind on bills?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Really? Seck, I've never really set quotas because my type
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of hustle is I've always been a hustler. So it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: not even like I'm gonna set I'll make two K today,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: make three K to day or one K to day
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: or nothing today. I just let I just let the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: days roll, lin. But I never stopped working, like from
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: six to ten.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: For someone that never wanted a job, it sounds like
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to me. It's like, the only jobs you want to
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: work are the jobs you're passionate about.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what And back then I was super
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: passionate about. It's really, really, really a powerful thing. When
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: you take an idea and you bring it to the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: forefront and then you have a tangible product that you
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: could sell people. It's like, I'm not going to pick
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this up from somewhere. We making it ourselves and then
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: we we like feeding the streets with it. It was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: just empowering. So it was like something I've never done before.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So once it was like a drug. Once I got
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a hit of that, I'm like, every day be making
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: shit and I'm going to get fabric and I'm coming
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: back and I'm cutting sleeves. At one time, had the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: homies in the crib cutting sleeves, just cutting like three
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: thousand T shirts at the crib.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Wow. So what when your first order came in on
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the website? Who was the first person you called? Woo
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: or screenshot it at my bro?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: My brother? We got to order, Yeah, my bro And
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it was a popular basketball player at the time, female
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: basketball player. So when she got it, she was hype
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: about it because I'm gonna be the only one with this.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: But then a couple of weeks later, she was like,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: my sleeve fell off. So I was like, oh shit,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: quality control before I even try to go and sell
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a product. And then I had to like revisit on
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: how we were making it and if the machinery was good.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: So I took a couple bumps and bruises trying to
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: just learn how to make sure it air tight? You
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: feel me? So?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: How did you catch when that the So she was
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the first person that ordered, first person. It was like
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: a famous woman, basketball star.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah she was. It's like collegiate famous.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how did she catch wind of your site? Did
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you ever find out Instagram? Instagram? So she orders it?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Then how do you find out that the sleeve falls off?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: She just texted me. Yeah, she texted me like, Yo,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not even tripping, but the sleeve fell off. I'm like,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: oh shit, bro. And then I went back to the
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: shorty who was helping me make the shit. I'm like, yo,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: check it out. Sleeves are falling off. What's going on?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: How do we make this better?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah? She's just like, well I need this so that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And then we kind of got I'm like,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: why didn't you tell me that before? Yeah, of course,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So then we got the machinery,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, every time I could level up as
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: far as machinery was concerned, I took the time to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: do so because I felt like it was important. So
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: every time I got bred, got something to make the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: quality a little better, got tags to make the packaging
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a little better, and just kept and then.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: The also thing I think you learned too. It sounds
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: like I remember my first company, I had a high
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: school magazine, Nick Cannon, and one of my employees had
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: came to me and said, you should make the magazine smaller,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and I was like, at the time, I just was
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: so young. I didn't ask the manufacturers of like different sizes,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: but I was like, oh, that's silly, and they're like, no,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: it's easy for the kids to put in book bags.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: What I learned is that you really got to pay
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: attention to your team because they're also the eyes and
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the ears of the streets. And I think even for
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: her to kind of she I'm sure she didn't withhold
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: it on purpose, but she just assumed maybe the money
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: wasn't there to cover this one minor tweak for the
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: sleep to fall off?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Did you learn that? You think from that?
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I think she withheld it on purpose?
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I do o the tea on this one.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I think she with held it on purpose because you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: we was young. You want to really go out and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: do what the boys was doing, like me and the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: homiesuits going out, you know, making donfus on a thing.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: He was going to the club. He was outside selling
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it while she's inside making it. Yeah, So I felt
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: like her mindset was just like, let me cut corners
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the easiest way, so I don't got to be in
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: here all day.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I'm which is what I Yeah, shout
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: out to her.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, God, do what you gotta do.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: But we ended up separate part ways after that because
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, yeah, of course, like you always want
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to cut corners when I'm trying. Like, if you rock
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: with me, we could take this shit somewhere. But if
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you always want to cut corners, you're not the type
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of person I could work with.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's important that everyone on the
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: team is in it for more than money. Yeah, that
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to me is always like, the second I find out
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: some of my team's in it for money, I'm like,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: first of all, I don't pay enough money. You never
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: gonna be happy.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: So I become a millionaire, you ain't gonna be happy.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: So you probably shouldn't be on my team. But in
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the meantime, for everyone on our team, it's like you
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: have to care about the project. Like everyone on your
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: team loves Don Pajan, right, yeah, so you feel like
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: they're your rider dyers or oh yeah.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: And at the time, I had a big core group
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: friends Homies that was just rocking it and looking good
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: in it, and we're always together, and it's just it
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: was like a clan, you know what I'm saying. We
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: always had it on. So it made a statement when
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: we would go somewhere or be seen somewhere, like, oh,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: don't put you on on them.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: So sometimes I go to the post office and I'll
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: see someone walk in with like a million boxes. I'm like, oh,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: this motherfuckers. Oh I wish I had this guy's jobs
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: going to the post office mailing whatever he's mailing. Is
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: that what your life is like? Yeah?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: For a long time, you know it was a lot,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of packages, a lot of like going not
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: even to the post office. We go to the hub,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the hub. Yeah, we pull into like the back of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the post office. When you have a lot of mail,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: you just go to the hub. And then do you
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: hear that she just dropped that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm bothering.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I go to the back of the post office.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I don't wait in line, I dup a whole truck
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: in the back of.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: The post office, drop a whole bend in there. And
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you don't even they don't scan the gas.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And then how do they bail you?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I pay if I was hand beforehand, you know, just
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: do the label. Wow, you get the orders.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. So when you look back from that first
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: order to like where you're at now, what is some
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of the stuff that you're like most impressed about.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: From the growth? H I'm super impressed when I see
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: my shit in like a thrift store.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a full circle moment for me. Why
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: because I just know that this has been on so
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: somebody for so long they decided to not throw it
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: out but donate it, and now it's thrifted for like
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: eight ninety nine and somebody else can take it and
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: give it a new life, and then give it a
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: new life and give it. I love that perspective and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that's how I started. I think that shit is dope.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I've been in the thrift store sometimes. Oh shit, that's
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: my shirt.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Do you ever buy it?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Nah?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna want to go thrifting to see if
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I can get through.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You. Right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: You know what, when I was a kid, we were poored.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Our parents would take us to the Salvation Army, and
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: of course it was very embarrassing. So like l A,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like thrifting is like a cool thing. And
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I remember one of my axes was like, yeah, you know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: let's go to you know, one of those exchange stores.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hell no, that's what poor people do. Why
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: would I buy used clothes?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And yeah, like a Buffalo exchange.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, heck no, you won't catch me. It's only
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: new for me.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: There's gems in there, though, shit in there. There's some
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: gems in there that you could remix. And my skill
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: is always dope because I could see something in two
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: X and making my size in two what two X
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like a two x L big ass. Let's say I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: see a big ass av Rex coat and I'd be like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that's just dope. But the zipper's broken and the lining's busted.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I'll buy that shit for like twenty dollars. Go give
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: it a new lining, give it a new zipper.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Wow, you know, I mean damn. So I would love
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: to see your closet. We should have did a home interview.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, the closet is crazy.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Really, do you have a lot of closet space or
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: is it like you have those racks like the celebrities do.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of closet space, but then I
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: got like tons of racks, just racks, and it's.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Not the rack like, oh, well, racks, racks.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Racks, but it's not even like all my stuff. It's
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: like archive pieces I've made or things I just want
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to hang on to a lot of stylists come to
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: my crib and pull things.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Really, So, what are some of the celebs that you
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: were like the most? Like, holy shit, I can't believe
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: they're wearing my stuff.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I know I'm flying. I make fly shit, So that's
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: like the goal for people to be in it. But
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: things that made me happy, like j Cole made me
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: happy when he was in it. Chris dip Lo Davies
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: people like that. But the real people, know bullshit that
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: make me the happiest are the people I've met and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: my true supporters that buy for me all the time.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Shout out to y'all. Y'all know who you are all
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the way around the world. The average Joe. I'm the
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: average Joe, So it's made by the average Joe for
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: the average Joe. I don't follow like style trends. So
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I like when a regular person buys my shit and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I see him at like the mall, that hits harder
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: than like.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Do you ever say anything to them?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: That probably say something to me, or I have a
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: lot of people who know me, so like a homie
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: will be out in another homies like, oh you know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like gang shit. Yea, you know what I'm saying.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Like it's a small group of people who know what's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: up now?
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Is yours is the only place for customers to get
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: your product? Is it only through the website or is
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: there like brick and border.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Nah, it's through the website. It's just the most cost
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: efficient way cut out the middleman bullshit, Like, have you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Thought about getting into like major retail with it? Or
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: do you want to be like more boutique.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: We've done boutiques, We've done major retail and stuff like that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: But it's a whole bunch of you know, things that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: go on behind those scenes, and they like to drop
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the price and you know, hit you with a net
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: sixty and get paid sixty days later and shit like that.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: So and it kind of can water down and diminish
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: my brand. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm not too money hungry
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: where it's like I want this shit to be everywhere.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I'd rather go deep than why. I'd rather get with
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: my core fan base and dig deep with them than
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: try to cast the net and get everybody.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, but what if the check was like devilish tempting.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: They were like, hey, Tarot calls and he just wants
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you to do this line for like a million dollars
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: worth of whatever in Target. I'm just saying like non regular, Yeah,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I know it's Dawn Pusan. I'm not saying like, maybe
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: they came at you for a tear, would you not be?
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I would negotiate because I'm not married. I'm not married
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: to any any of my art, and you will any
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of my brands. I'm not married to them like they don't.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: They don't outweigh my logic. You know what I'm saying.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Because I can do If I did it once, I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: can do it again. I do it all the time.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I do it with other people's brands. I've I've have
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: helped other people make brands that are bigger than mine.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I'm not married to anything.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: If a deal makes sense, I'm gonna take it. But
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: it's gotta make sense. Target makes sense.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So have you had to get like business loans
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: or how did you survive the pandemic and all of
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: that business loans?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: No, I never took as I never took a business loan.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Damn, that's crazy.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: No, I never took a business loan. I don't like
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to play I don't like to play around with I'm
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: a strong believer, like if you got it, keep it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not like a crazy credit I don't like owing
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: anything really. Yeah.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Well some sometimes owen in the in for the sake
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: of leverage can be good.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I get I get paranoid. But I've done
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it for other businesses. So it's like when it made
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: when if if it makes sense, I would do it
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: but if I don't have to, I won't.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: What advice do you give to people starting in that
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: line of industry in fashion?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you start a brand, my word of advice
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: would be that it's expensive, so come correct and give
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: away shit for free because you have to and you
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: can't feel no type of way about it.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Like now your brand, your pieces are very unique. Like
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: there was a hat that had it was sold out.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Of course it was sold out. It was a New
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: York had and it had half one color and half
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: no color. I think it was like white and orange
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: split down the middle. Though that shit was fresh death.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Clearly that was the reason why I was sold out.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: So is it when you make well, the hats are
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: cool because there are different sizes, but some of the
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: clothes and stuff. Do you ever get nervous making a lot?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Because what if you get stuck with the product? Or
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: is it just like you make it and then it
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: just sells out till it does or how does that work?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I try to make it and let it, let it
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: do its thing. But let's say if I made a
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: lot of overstock and I'm sitting on some shit and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I gotta get rid of it, I usually go back
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to my hood. I'll go back to New York and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I throw a pop up shop where everybody in my
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: hood could get shipped for like twenty thirty dollars.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, okay, smart, Smart, So you're gonna get rid
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: of it, regard to get rid of it regardless. But
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: you never take a loss.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Never take a loss.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, never to take a loss.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: But I do a lot of shit. I'll give a
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff away for free because I know it's
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: like each will teach one when I have it. I
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to be fresh, and I know the people that
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I look out for are mostly good people when they're
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: gonna do the same thing when they get up. So
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a circle like that. So
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: if I'm sitting on product, yeah, i'll go barely make profit.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: But now my whole hood's in it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Smart, And you get a lot of love from
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: New York, Yeah, because some people their own city doesn't
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: go as hard.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: My city go hard.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Now how often are you in New York
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: going tomorrow? I know, and you're going to see the
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Book of Hope, And I feel like I'm sad that
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I won't be there it's spirit in spirit my little
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: brother uh Ego, he's a comic in New York. Shoul
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: check him out when you go. He has hair just
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: like us, long as fu. But jay Z is my
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: favorite artists of all time, hence the jay Z painting
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: in the studio. But when Book of Hope came out,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, Ego, man, is it worth a flight?
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Is it worth a flight? Or should I book four
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: interviews down there so I could totality it? And he
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: was like, look, I'm gonna be honest, it's inspiring as fuck.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, the wrong answer.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I know it. Jay Z's my favorite too. You know
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, what's your favorite jay Z song?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Friend? And fos Ooh, I think it'll always be my favorite.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good one.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I mean to be honest, it's hard to have a
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: favorite jay Z song because I feel like you grow
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: with jay Z even if it goes from reasonable Doubt
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: to like any record, you may not have liked it
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the time it came out, but you will like it
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: at a time in your life, like you know, Like
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: there were periods where I was like Reasonable Doubt was
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the worst record. Then I'm like twenty, I'm like, reasonable,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I was, I just wasn't wasn't it yet? Like you know,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there yet yet. Yeah, And and it's weird
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: because I could relate to him from I don't know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: ten twelve. I mean that's when I really started listening
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: to him. But like being that young and being able
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to relate to someone with the lyrics that he had
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: about hustling, it's weird. Like I just feel like, I
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: don't know, for whatever reason, I've always liked him, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: now to be what thirty nine and be like, yo,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: this is the number one man in the game. It's like, yo,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I knew it, you know, But but he's truly I
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: To meg Yeah, yeah, I don't argue nobody.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Have you Have you met him?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Nah?
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I did?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: That's dope.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I did, and I wasted my moment.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Oh shit.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's one of those things. I heard. My
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: dad met him and said to him, you should do
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: a song about Brooklyn, And then jay Z looked at
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: him and was like, got really upset. Clearly you don't
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: listen to my music. I was like, that's what you
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: came with. Yeah, so you know, but my dad's like,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: we'll give him the white jew pass and yeah, my
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: mom is Jamaica and my dad is Jewish, so flip,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I'm so used to your combo. I never really see mine.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: But then I see like, I think it's Serena Williams
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: or one of them.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: That I barely ever see your combo either. Yeah, yeah,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have I wouldn't have pegged you for that combo.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Really got asked, what what cause that combo? I feel
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: like that com that combo. I don't know. I just
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: feel like I can I can sense them, the ones
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: that have the black mom and the white dad.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Did you ever read Trevor Noah's book called Born a Crime?
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: No? It was it good.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Bro, When you go to New York, don't take no
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: advice from me but this and and text me. Well,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I'll give you my number and hopefully you'll text me.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: But when you go to New York, get the ever
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Noah book Born a Crime, and just enjoy it and
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: then tell me. Or if you listen to audio books,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: listen to it on audio. But I think being a
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: mixed person has its pros and its cons. I know
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: with my family it's been at the timing. Maybe of it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: It was more difficult for like maybe the white six
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: have black and the you know yeah or whatever. But
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like Trevor Noah kind of in that book
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: gave us our own lane, which I never thought we had.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: So I was like, I never thought I had an identity.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I always was like, I'm black, I'm black, black, black,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: or definitely never claimed white. That's for damn sure. Sorry guys,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: either never claim white. In America. It's like once you
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: have a little bit of black, you're you're you're black,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: you know whatever. So never ever, white was never something
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I claimed. But I always felt like, you know, as
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: a mixed person, you're fighting to stay black or you're
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: trying it's fighting to prove that you're black, especially if
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: you're the lighter you are, the more you're trying to
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: fight to hone that crown. Right, did you ever have
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: those issues?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I'm super light, like white light, you know, you know
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: what I mean? And growing up I was just like, damn,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I'm light. Even though my mom's white. I was like,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: in a winter, lighter than her because she'll go to
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the tannem booth and all that. But I always felt
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and it's just like I ain't never had those issues.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna lie, not even internally.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: But you you didn't feel like you had to cling
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: to one side. Well, I think also because the way
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you described your town. Yeah, I kind of like my.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Whole white side, Like I love them, but I feel
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: like they was kind of like I definitely couldn't couldn't relate.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I could tell they were kind of like probably racist
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: before me and alone, you know what I'm saying. And
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I always felt that and I sensed it a little bit,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: but they had love for us. And you know, once
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: you start loving biracial babies, I feel like it changes
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: your perspective on like what it really is, the intermix
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and intermingled with the other race. And I feel like
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: they got a little bit more kind and soft and
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: became more peaceful. But it was never like belligerent disrespect
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: or anything towards me that made me feel like I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: had to choose.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen them do anything disrespectful to your dad?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Though? No, Okay, that's cool. My mom says this shit
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: like before I was born, in all that which I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: could see different times, you know what I'm saying.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: But nah, yeah, cause it it's weird. It's weird because
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: you get just a caoll it, like you get to
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: see how both sides live. Yeah, you know, you get
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: to see like you're right there. The white side will
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: definitely form some kind of attachment. But in my mind,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I will never feel one hundred percent equal to his
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: like cousins, not my white cousins. I'll never feel like,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: you know, if there's favor to be placed, it's gonna
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: be from them, yeah, you know. And so you definitely
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: will always feel one hundred percent black, whether your mixed
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: or not. In if you're biracial, you're always gonna fee
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent black when it comes to your white
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: family because as there is that invisible line that's drawn
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: in the sand where it's like, yeah, we cool, but
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: we now one hundred percent you know.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: But I don't come from like affluent white people. I
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: come from like trailer.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Well, well you said your hotwn is kind of like that,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: so it's like kind of normal.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: My moms don't play about her kids, so it was
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: never like it was like never like that.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Your mom sounds a little gangst a.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Little bit, she don't play about her kids. So well,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: it's thick because like but if my if my white
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: side was like richer and affluent. I definitely saw that
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: with other my other biracial friends. But I'm like, yeah,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: it's tough, y'all play over there type. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I experienced. But I think the I
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: always recommend the Trevor Noah but because I think that
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: it for me at least, it gave me so much
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: peace within myself. I was like, we got our own issues.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Nobody ever talks about.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: We for sure got our own issues. But more so
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: like when you get into the school in like college,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and like start hearing conversations with my black female friends
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: and just not to me towards other light skin of honeys,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I would get a rhetoric and be like.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. It gets uncomfortable.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: It was a period where I would be like, oh man,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: please don't have this conversation around me, Like the colorism
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: is crazy. It's crazy now. I know for me, when
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I date, I don't prefer to date guys that only
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: date mixed or light skin. I feel like there's some
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: kind of internal something went wrong. So your mama's black, right,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: but you don't date they? Okay, yeah, I don't want.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: It just feels people think I don't date black women,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: like really, yeah, it's just wild.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I always feel like, now this is racist what I'm
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: about to I always feel like light like dark and
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: dark light slighter, but it could be a myth. I
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: don't know. I like darker. I don't really date guys
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: that are light.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I like smart, pretty fine, you know, don't funny. You
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But you know, once Instagram started
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: getting his wheels and shit showing your little honeys on Instagram,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: now everybody like I come across females like, oh, I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: already know your type. I know you don't you don't
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: like black girls. I'm like, how you say that? Like
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: my first love of my life full black, my other
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: first girl like full guy in these like black or
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: black black?
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Do you respond when people through that, like if they
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: start throwing those accusations, because I'll just stop talking to people.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I like to be like I gotta
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I gotta track list, Like yeah, I like.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: But you explain yourself if they do. Yeah, I'll exit
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: a phone call, like if a dude says something that
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: like an accusational and I don't know you, like, oh yeah,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: you date this type, I'm like, all right, well I
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: gotta go, Like are you serious? I'm like, yeah, I
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: gotta go, because if you're coming to me with these
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: presumptions already, you're not trying to get to know me.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: You've already figured out who I already am, a.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Woman that I wouldn't get to know anyways. They just said,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: so you try and back, yeah, just just to be funny.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's that's funny. You know what I'm saying,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I probably would't like you. Yeah, that doesn't mean I
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: don't like like white women. I'm more I'm on the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: other side, like I don't I don't really date white women, not.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: That I don't really.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate them, but I don't.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Hate white But I've never I fucked up with one
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: white guy. For the record, some guy from high school. Okay,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: later on in life, I felt like, dude's been trailing
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: me for.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: So long.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Whatever, But once that is it, and it's probably gonna
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: remain that way. Definitely haven't unless it's like I don't
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: know the dude from shameless, you know, like I don't know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: for some strange reason, that guy from Beer, Yeah, I'd
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: be like.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, yeah, maybe you Leonardo DiCaprio one hundred. Yes,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: you know there's certain people where you'd be like, you know,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: there's exceptions to every room, you know, like I'm sure
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: like the girl from Barbie, there's.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Not a lot of people. I don't give a fuck.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: If you could be a diehard, I will never date
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: white shell walk into your room and you'd be like,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: today's a different day.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I would date you. Know what I'm saying, I don't.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem. I just haven't really came
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: across a white woman where I'm like okay.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also I think for you, would
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: you would you if you met the perfect one? Would
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: you be a little intimidated about? Would you be the
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: type of call your friends and be like, so I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: met this girl, she do would you disclaimer before you
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: decide to like make it official? I feel like you
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: will ship?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: No? You want to know, Yo, that's got it crazy?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Why does that happened to you?
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: No, because that's some shit I might do.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I'm yeah, not everybody, you know, Like I noticed, like me.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: But people say id take or whatever the case may be.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: But I know, like it's a problem with me. I
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable around a huge white group of people. It
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: makes me feel uncomfortable.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: That's how I kind of feel around like a lot
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: of rich people. I don't know, for some sort of
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: reason I think I get in my head. Yeah, but
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: white people, no, I just I played my position in
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: those rivers, you know, back in the day. It's funny
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: because now we're like more talking about like rules of
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: the workplace. But like whenever I work for white people,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I used to rock a lot of braids
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: and it was like, Okay, Coley, we're about to have
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: an event, so uh, hair looks great. But events on Thursday, Yes, sir,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be out and the braids will be gone
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: by Thursday. You know, they still saying now all the
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: way relation.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Ship, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, white people do
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: that ship a lot, Like do comb your hair? Your
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: hair so nice to brush? Can I touch it? Like
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I had that way. I had a white woman do
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that to me the other day. She didn't even asked,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: she just started touching my hair, like, oh god, it's
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: so beautiful and it wasn't in a bad way, but
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: it was just like you're miss You didn't even have
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: to touch my hair. You're like you're petting me now. And
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I don't like the code switch. I like to keep
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I like to keep it me wherever I'm at. And
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I'm very like smart, intellectual, well spoken one. I need
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to be what I'm still I still like to be me.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I still like to get my urban ebonics on.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, yeah yeah.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I hate the colde switch. And I'm like I switch
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: in my body about.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: It, like you know, really, so you don't switch. I
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: switch all day. Because my grandfather, with my first company,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: the magazine, he would always come up to me. He'd
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: be like, Colleen, when you get in a room with
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: these people, please don't speak you bonics. I'd be like
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: what and he'd be.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Like, don't speak to you bonics.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, okay, Grandpa, okay. But
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: my grandfather loved the shit out of me, but he
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: definitely was like, don't don't speak to you bonics, you know.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, whatever, you know, it
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: is what it is. But depending on the white room,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: you know, but I'll switch it up for money.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I'll switch it up at.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: People in there. I'll be like, yes, sir, uh, you'll
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: never hear it. Curse really my mouth, you know. But
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I will say this though. I sent my daughter to
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: school and she doesn't let me touch your hair. She
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: just curly hair, never lets me touch it, acts like
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: bloody murder. If I barely touching right go near, I'm like, hey,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: can I do? But every day she comes home from
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: school with a brand new hairdo, and a part of
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: me is like, I wonder why they're always playing in
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: your hair. But the other part of me is like,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: at least someone gets to do her hair, and they
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: do great styles. So I'm like, kudos to you. You
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: want to run your fingers to dry curly hair, by
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: all means I would spray it down.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: You let her run her fingers to it. I can't
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: even spray it down. Do you comb your hair dry?
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: No, never, I've never done it.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: No, no, right, it's not gonna work.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: It would never happen.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I'm breaking comb, that's just going.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, conditioner and water is my best friend. I
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: barely shampoo. Do you shampoo?
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: What?
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I know we're getting so off topic, but anyways.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Nah, conditioner all the way.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I shampoo probably once or twice twice
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: a week. No, I don't do it that much. The
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: amount of here you have, I wouldn't even do it
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: that much. It's dries it out.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but my ship, I swim a lot.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Oh I don't know how to swim.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Teach me, that's great, teach me.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Teach me please. Yeah, I could see that that chlorine
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: would dry it out.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do but I like to swim. I like to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: run so and I want you know, you have a
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: hug somebody in their hair stins. I don't want that.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want that.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: I use to Garnier or herbal Essence. I feel like
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: they're the thicker, thickest conditioner I can find. I've tried
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: all the mixed chicks, all the random products, black hair products.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: None of that stuff works for me. But fruit tos Guardia,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: what are you using?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Oh? I go through a plethora of things, you know
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: As long as it's not like tailing Pony. I saw
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: that ship, I.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Was like, I use like that Moroccan, the Moroccan brand.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, really, that stuff doesn't work either. Have you tried
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: the fruits garnier you don't like, oh, I I literally
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: leave in their regular conditioner. It keeps my without frizz.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, get that's a gem.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't rent it all out because if
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: you if you, if you rent out too much, then
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: it doesn't keep the frizz. But if you keeping too much,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: it keeps your weight on your curls heavier, so it
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't get as fluffy if you use it. Holler at me,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I promise you, and I combed through my hair so
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: fast in the shower with it, versus like I could.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Literally if you gave me ten conditioners, I will tell
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: you which is the best from curly hair just by
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: touching it. Like if you line them all up, I'd
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: be like, this one's not gonna work. This one's gonna work,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: this one's not just by the thickness period. I don't
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: give a fuck what you name it. I'm like, that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: shit ain't gonna work. I don't use no gel or nothing,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: just conditioner and water.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: This shit works.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: But all right, back to don Pujon. What is the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: biggest milestones you think you have reached thus far? And
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: what milestones are you hoping to reach.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: The biggest milestone I've hit thus far for me is
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: accepting the fact that it's okay to like rebrand and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: readjust and start over sometimes and like pull everything down
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: to get a fresh new start. I used to just
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: go so fucking hard and sometimes I'll burn out. So
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: now I finally reached a point in my career where
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with like recharging instead of just burning out
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: and then burning out and burning out. I have like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: a really good work life balance and I'm happy about that.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: And it's through the ebbs and flows of learning the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: business that I've gotten there.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: And what I want to do in the future, I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: just want to I want to be like the biggest
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: black lesbian creative director, fashion stylist. I want to be
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: known for just having a fashion brand, creating other fashion brands,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and I want to do costume for film and TV.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: I've never seen I thought, you're you're getting into that, right, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: for sure, you just got into that, right.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Just got into that. But I've never seen a brand Lupid.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I've never seen an actual fashion designer Lupid around.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate. Is there a reason
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: why you want to be the biggest black and lesbian
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: brand instead of just the biggest creative director.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, creative, creative, creative director, because I just see a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: lot of.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Do you see a lot of certain type in that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: space or some see a lot of men? Okay, see
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of men and women's fashion. I don't see any.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: There's Wilds Browner, shout out to her, but I don't
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: see a lot of women in men's fashion at all.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, so you want but are you saying that you
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: want to just be in men's fashion.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Or just yeah? That's why I stand. I'm not really
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: in the women's way.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I'm fuck it, but your gear, I feel like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: but you don't really mess with the women's Yeah, I don't.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Really mess with the women's stuff. It's because women are
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: getting more fashionable and more comfortable in baggy and baggy
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: and drogeness looks. Yeah, yeah, more than they were.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: But imagine if like East Saint Laurent did the whole
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: costume for like a breakfast at Tiffany's the movie. Okay,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: that's how I kind of I wanna. I want to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: structure it that way, Like Don't Put You On? Did
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: the costuming for the whole Black Panther or something like that.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Now, with the writers strike and everything that's going on,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: is it hindering you at all?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, a lot of productions are just stopped.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: So how long have you been doing the costume work
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: for TV or have you started six months? Six months?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: And what was like the big the first big one.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: You did, the shy On show on Show Tom, the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: show called the Shay Shoot.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Did they pay a lot?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a I'm in a union, so you only
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: get paid at the rate the rate of the union,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: which the costume designers were at the bottom of the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: totem pole, and they want to strike for that because
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: it's like you're naked without us. You know, you can't
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: build a character without the costuming.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: And the way the union works is like you can't
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: make over, Like you can't negotiate over a certain amount.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Hell no, because you you. I mean you could, but
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: nobody will ever do that because they don't have to,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like you got
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: your producers, then you got like a cinematographer, then you
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: got everybody else and fucking and everything else, and then
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: you got costume designer assistant costume designer at the bottom.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: What how'd you get into that line? Though? How'd you
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: get into shy?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Somebody called me and asked me if I wanted to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: do it?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: So you got in through your friend?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Through my friends. She's one of the you know,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: creators of the show. Showrunner. She called like, I got
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: this project for you, broke down the details, and I'm like,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I'm down. You know what I'm saying. It was my
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: first time.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Did you even ask how once you You're just like
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I'm down. Just like I'm down. I would have been
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: so excited and you were you on set? Or how
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: does it work.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: For that one? I wasn't on set. I was just
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: corresponding with the costume designers on set to make things
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: and then ship them, and then we're shipping back and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: then we FaceTime a lot and try to get down
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Why wasn't Why could? Cause it's taped over there.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Cause it's taped over there, and they have to put
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: you up. So a lot of productions will cut corners,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: cut costs, do whatever they need to do. Like if
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: you have your machinery and all that shit at home,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you're better there than you are on set every day.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: So you're making the clothes and stuff get the freak
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: out and your names and the titles and everything. Is
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the check worth it?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: You make more money from don Key John.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you're like, yeah, but my bread
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: and butter is this.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like it though. So it's like it's a
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: different It's like you part of the energy of a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: a ah of a show and like a film or
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: something like that. It's a different energy source than when
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I give them don Do.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: You get to put your clothes on them? I could,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: but you don't.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I could, by don't like why I god like to
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: the savagery. I could, but I would slip it in.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of bells and wisdom whistles. That's like
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: a Disney the uh a Disney m Corporation thing. So
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: it's not just as easy as like, yo, put the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: fucking shirt on us. Yeah, yeah, a lot of Okay,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: those are whistles and shit.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: So down the road you can. So now the writer
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: strike has you on hold in regards to that lane,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: but don is holding you.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: S yeah, yeah, holding me strong, and and I the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: strike's gonna get over and I'm gonna con and I'm
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: still a new booty in it. So I got a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I got a lot to learn, but I would do
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: that just to do that. I always I manifested that.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I always wanted to do that. I used to tell
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: my girl, like, Yo, I A always wanna I wanna
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: do costume man? Yeah, yeah, And it just l T.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Do you believe that manifestation is a part of the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: key to your success?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Me, I'm not. I'm not even gonna lie. A couple
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: of years ago, I wasn't even put on to any
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: of that. I got with my lady and she put
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: me on to this manifestation awareness all that shit. Even
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: though I don't like the word, cause I think it's
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: like a buzzword. Now everybody's like I manifest everything. But
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I do feel like when you're a good person and
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: you got good energy and you speak life in to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: yourself and they call it affirmations, I didn't know what
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: it was. I always talked good about myself, don't spoke
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: kind words to myself and shit like that. I didn't
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: know the terminology for it, but I was always doing that,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: and I feel like that's a powerful thing in anybody's success,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: and not only that, being like a avid reader in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: search of knowledge. You know what I'm saying in other
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: people's stories. You learn a lot from other people. Man,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: and you and you know, just just soak it like
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: a sponge, just soaking up game. Even like talking about
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: jay Z, I don't got much to relate to jay
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Z and what he's doing now, but I feel like
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of my confidence I got from listening to
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: that man yep, And even though I'm not jay Z,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: after I take my headphones off, I felt.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, yeah, like there is something like I feel
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: like my most baddest self is when I'm listening to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: jay Z, even though I do cheat on jay Z
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: a lot with Drake Mgmen, though it's so hard because
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: Drake got that Sar.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I never listened to a Drake singing song, just so
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: you know. All whenever he puts out a record, he
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: puts like the singing tracks on, I.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Completely ignore it in the garbage. Fuck it.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I hate when Drake sings, like, I absolutely hate it.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, stick to wrap your amazing, amazing, but
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: that singing It's like, dude, I don't even know who
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: you are. Did you listen to the last ten records.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: The fuck is this, dude?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I feel the same exact ways to tell my manager,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Like whenever he did that double disc, I'm like, throw
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that Honeymoon out the window. I don't want. I don't want.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: That time he puts out like some kind of singing,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, me too, I feel because it's like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: two different people. It's like, Yo, Drake, you had all
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: this this confidence and swagger, and then you go to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: this record and you just singing. I don't even know what.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I don't even listen. It's just it's so polar opposite
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: of who he is.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: The same way. But it's funny though, because I do
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: not have the same affinity for Drake. Like whenever I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: listen to Drake take it out my headphones, I don't
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: feel like Drake, you know, because some of it.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: I play energy and I'd be like, okay.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like he just went off on a verse.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: But I'm really telling you, when I used to listen
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: to Whole, I used to feel.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Like that, and I feel like he just got me
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: through so many difficult conversations. I mean, I mean different
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: difficult life experiences, you know, Like he's just I don't know.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: But enough about Jay, So Knox, is there anything that
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: your fans don't know about you that you could share
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: with us on this show that would be kind of interesting?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: I know we don't talk about your music. Are you
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: pausing music or.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm about to I'm about to drop something real, real, fancy.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I actually went to Paris for like thirty days and
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: kind of got my got inspired. I guess you would say,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: like reinspired. So I'm definitely definitely.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Paris for thirty days.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: I saw a video online that said Paris wasn't as
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: pretty as everybody.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know where he was staying. You can't cheap
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: out Paris.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Man, Oh for real? Okay, because some guy was like,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they talking about parents, look at all.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: The hood and can't go to Paris on spirit living
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: in hostels?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: And okay, got it?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: So were you balling out of control in Paris?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Not too crazy? But you can't go to Paris looking
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: for Vegas?
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, got it.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: You can't go to Paris looking for Miami. You can't
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: go to Paris.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm gonna send you that video if I ever
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I know the video. I've seen it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: It was terrible. I was like, damn, but.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: It's like I'm staying by like the Champs Elis and
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: the arts they triumph for. It's like where it's like cool.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: If you staying in the that's like going to La
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: but you stay in downtown.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's facts.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: So where you were at it was nice. You wouldn't
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: put out your video on saying.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: You're in the heart of Paris. But go to the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: heart of any city, man, it's shitty. Yeah.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Every city has its ups and down.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Every city got there.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: He made like it was just this wild.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Some was wild. The food.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you You should put out your.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the food is banging. He's wild.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: He was just in the food too. Yeah.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I've reposted it and a lot of people agree with me.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Now they were like, oh, but there's no black shit
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: to do. Check it out, yo, go on the internet.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of shit for black people to do
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: in Paris. You can google it, you can get on Instagram,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: you can go on certain pages. It's just for black
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: people in Paris. Man, you gotta do some some research,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: and you can't go to one place looking for another
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: type of turn up. I had a fabulous time in Paris.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Well thirty days, got lee, I've never been. I gotta go.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: I gotta travel more.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: You gotta go.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Don't listen to that guy well Ship.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: I saw that video. I said, say less, say less.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Say less, scratching it off my bucket list.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: It was never on my bucket list, like I want
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: to go to Jamaica stuff like that. But you know,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: to be honest, I have a two year old, so
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: I'm all about all the kids ship right now. A
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: ten year old gave me a dope ass compliment the
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: other day and I felt like a fucking superstar. She
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: was like, you're your daughters so lucky. You're such a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: cool mom. You know all the fun stuff to do.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: And I said, shit, let me call all my girlfriends
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: tell him about this compliment.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I called all my friends, was like, you never guess
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: what happened to me. They were like, you got a man, No.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: No, But this ten year old at the playground while
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: I was pushing the Ryde some swings told me I
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: was a cool mom because I knew all the cool shit.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: So I loog up every week like cool stuff for
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: like toddlers to do cool experiences, and literally, like all
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: week long, I'm like looking for cool shit. And it's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: like basically I get I pay for me and she
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: gets in for free. So it's even more dope because
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: she's just like my tag along or whatever. But we
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: do cool ass experience. I'm like a kid again.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: You gotta let them absorb and you can.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Look at and I'll be honest, I've never been into
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: the club never, never, once, Like you've probably seen me
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: in the club like twice my whole life. So like
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm more suited for the kid experiences.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: So I have a fucking blast, and I don't pull
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: out my phone and tape and like spread it with
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: the world. I literally am just like present present and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I fucking enjoy it.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: That's a vibe people don't know about me.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty vulnerable. I'm pretty open. I got
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: a this might be something I stopped smoking with.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I saw you smoking this, like was it e cigarette? Yeah,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: so he smoked cigarettes because I heard it in your thing.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: You were like, I pick up the cigarettes and.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I at that time when I was super super fucking down,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah I did, I was, but not.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: She never decided maybe quitting was the option.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Not like nah, But I was never a pack buyer,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's crazy to say. I was always like that,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: can you bust me? Can you ace me? Can you
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: trace me on? Like my man cigarette? Like, bust me,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: give me half of that. I never wanted to buy
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: a package. I'm not like, I'm not a cigarette buyer.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: You can ask my manager. It's crazy, but this nigga
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: never seen me.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: He e cigarette. Though, I'm gonna get on you by
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: about this. By the way, some shake it.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I'm addicted.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: You're addicted to it.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I'm now I'm addicted to the act of smoking. Like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: if I was addicted to it, I would have had
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to hit it right now.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Why don't you just get candy cigarettes? And just they
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: don't even sell candy cigarette?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: You know what. I'm waiting on my other things to come.
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  Speaker 1: I usually have this thing that's made out of Switzerland.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Though all of this it's just like natural herbs you
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: could smoke, you could vape like cammameal and ostragonda and shit.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: But I ran out.
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  Speaker 2: But you're just you're you're I thought you're addicted to
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: the movement. You're you're actually addicted to the inhill or the.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Smoking, the mouth and the Really, it's the thing. A
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: lot a lot of people are. Really it's a fucking thing. Okay.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: You think everybody who smokes all the time, it smokes,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: he wants to get high. I'm addicted to the act.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: It's the act. It's the Oh okay, it's the act
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  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: It's not like pretending to act. It's like the Actually, it's.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: The actual act of of the rich.
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  Speaker 2: Get your herbal smokes so I don't have to talk
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: stuff about your e cigarette.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a fact. And I wish I could remember
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: the name of this company, but I gotta send to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: New York while I'm going because I love that way more.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: They taste way better and the energy exchange is just
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: way better. But I just ran out, you know what
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I mean. And they take forever to come. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So when we were shooting, a lot of you guys
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: don't know this, but uh, knocks knocks got pulled by
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: the police, yeah, or something ridiculous. I like how you
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: handled it. You were super chill me. I probably would
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: have been way more hostile and attitude. You were really
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: chilled with the cop. I think that was like really
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: different and unique how you handled it, cause especially because
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: the ticket was so expensive.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be like, what the.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Bleep bleep bleep, you know, and I would it probably
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: would have ruined my day. And I think that's kind
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: of cool to see someone in a stressful situation and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: see like, that's how they handle that energy. And so
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: your energy since you've got here has been really really
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: nice and sweet, and I think that's something that people
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: that see don Pujon and they see the brand and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: the merge. I don't think you look at that brand
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: and say, okay, well knocks you look cool, you're very hip,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: But this is how she is in stressful situation. I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: think that was kind of cool. You know, it gives
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: a different side of how you handle stressful, messed up situations.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, don't worry, I got this. I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: thought it was mall security, so I was like, I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: got this, and I saw Purpa girl. I don't know
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: what to tell you. The police are bad, he was alriting.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna approach him.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: He went right. He was like, I'm gonna you're getting
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: a ticket and I'm taking the sticker.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, yeah that I saw how serious he was.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: And you know, if I hear the blue sound, I'm
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: already about to hit the day.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: He's like yeah, but I'm like, come on, man, but
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: you know, people, he's having a bad day and I'm not.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: So that's how you looked at it? Is that why
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: you were so calm?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: You think I looked at but it honestly, I looked
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: about it as a blessing because I was like, your
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: father stopped down the road or something. It could have been,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: could have been worse. At least I'm parked. You can't
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: ask me for my l was and my ID. We're
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: not doing all that shit, oh I'm saying. So I
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, better better than not better here parked
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: than any other situation or some more bullshit where he
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: could have got messy and stupid. I'm on the sideline
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: all crazy.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you, In California, there's so many ways
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: to get pulled over. But I've driven in California so
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: many years with a suspended license with bad tags. Just
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: looking over my shoulder. I've learned the secret to driving
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: in LA is driving expensive cars. You drive an expensive car,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: you're less likely to get pulled over.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: When you drive a hootie, man, you ain't gonna make
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: it three blocks. Yeah, they gonna they gonna find something.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Whenever I drove a hootie, I switched up police. I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: got'ta never fuck with me.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really get fucked with either. Until this
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: dude wanted to fuck me today.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well you could tell he was looking for something
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: because he was parked.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would you ever get parked? He looked at me,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: he followed me, parked behind me. I said, Yo, this
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: man about the hop and you know what I should
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: have done. I should have just hopped out the car.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: No, no, I.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Think he would have sucked with you more. One time
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: I got pulled over and the told me to get
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: out the car. Remember this story for the rest of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: your life. And now he was like, uh, yeah, I
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: just need you to get out the car and sign
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: this ticket. True story. My friend behind the screen notes
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: because she got the phone call. But uh, he's like,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: get out the car, sign the ticket. I get out
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: and he's like, now put your hands behind your back.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this? MTV punped, like, what the
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: fuck is going on? He's like, you're under arrest.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like, for what see that that would have been
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit more.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not bro I went to jail for like twenty
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: four hours, and I didn't know why I was in there.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: But let me tell you something. I learned a lot
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: about prostitution and pimping in jail I never will ever
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: use in real life. And it was a horrifying experience.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: And I said, moving forward, I will never miss paying
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: a ticket or anything, because when I was there, I'd
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, let these tickets rack up. They could
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: give me time served. What's three days in jail?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Shit?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: R There is nothing more painful in life than prison.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: And I only went for one day and I was like,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: I'll never I'll never do anything to in the back here.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: And then I got out and they said there was nothing.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: So I just had time served for nothing, and I
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: called my girl Mackenzie. Her and her daughter picked me up,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: and her daughter asked me a series of questions like
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: she was an adult. But but all I know is
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: that that was the last time I'll ever go to jail,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: god willing, and I don't fuck with the police now,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. Try if they ever take you, get out
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: inside the ticket. Just no, it's not good.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Don't ever get out the car in the car, sir.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I'd rather let You're gonna have to do what you
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: gotta do. Like I'm not. I'm not doing I'm not
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: giving you my idea and all that ship. I just don't.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ego, my little brother, we're all running with him,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: and he jumped the termstile with us, and my dad
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: was with him, and luckily this white man is gonna
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: argued my brother out of this ticket. But my goodness,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: it was. It was hilarious for that. But thank you
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: so much for coming on our show and sharing your
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: truth with Don Pujan and uh. And I'm definitely gonna
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: cop them boots when I get a chance. And I
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: am a true, you know, true appreciation for you taking
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: out your time to come, of course cook for me.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah you know you got you got the first cookieiano
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: with my whole career right now, my whole real adult career.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: That's my first time cooking in my thirties. And I'm
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: not bullshit. I have put some things in the air fryer.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: You feel me, but I don't.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: I don't like pre frozen things in the air fire.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're terrible. Yeah, you're terrible.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna enjoy the rest of this French host y'all.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: I don't don't do it, but it's you're good.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: You're good at cooking.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, but thank you for having me. Thank you to
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: the listeners, all the people in the back of the
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: whole team, the whole squad. I'm definitely help you get
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: these boots. And I'm gonna get that book, that Trevor
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: No book. I'm gonna read that.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: And text me tell me what you think. I'm gonna
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: be looking.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: And I like this podcast. I like everything y'all got
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for cooking with us.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I do all right, y'all. Peace for
• 1:23:27
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