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Episode 240: Does Catching Big Fish Require a Boat? · Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast

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  SPEAKER_05: This episode of Outdoor Journal Radio is brought to you in part by the Invasive Species Center, protecting Canada's land and water from invasive species.
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  SPEAKER_05: Freedom Cruise Canada, rent the boat, own the memories, and JMB Cycle a Marine, your home for all things power sports, boats, and equipment.
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  SPEAKER_05: And now, another exciting episode in the adventures of Outdoor Journal Radio.
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  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'd love to welcome.
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  SPEAKER_05: Peter Bowman over there, and as well Viola here, uh Nikki V and Mr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Dean Taylor.
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  SPEAKER_05: Come on now.
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  SPEAKER_05: Over there.
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  SPEAKER_05: Come on now.
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  SPEAKER_05: And today, uh, kids, we're going to go back in time.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, certainly you're gonna go back in time as far as it pertains to me, because we're gonna explore the world of shore fishing.
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  SPEAKER_05: Come on now.
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  SPEAKER_05: And uh I'm sure I'm not the only one who can say that I owe shore fish.
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  SPEAKER_05: I owe my career in fishing to shore.
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  SPEAKER_05: How's that?
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's it.
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  SPEAKER_05: I wonder how many people started from shore.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_02: In my case, I'm I'm trying to figure that out now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'll think about that as we get through our uh why don't you give that a bit while you're monologue while you're monologuing there?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why might you give that a monologue?
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  SPEAKER_02: I love when somebody says I'm monologuing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll give that some thought.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we're gonna talk about the shore fishing and do's and don'ts and uh a little bit of history, um some tips maybe.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh we we can share some information, all kinds of good stuff.
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  SPEAKER_05: But first, um what do we need to do?
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  SPEAKER_05: We need to go there.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there.
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  SPEAKER_05: Where's there?
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  SPEAKER_05: There's a lot of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Housekeeping, that housekeeping area.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um anything we should know about the store, uh adjunct store manager?
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh, I'm not sure who that is.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh, well, okay.
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  SPEAKER_05: Then why don't you fill in for them?
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I can fill in for the adjunct.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, why don't you fill in for them temporarily?
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  SPEAKER_04: No uh nothing too new.
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  SPEAKER_04: We have other than those new wonderful shirts that you're wearing right now.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Shirt.
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  SPEAKER_04: Shirt.
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  SPEAKER_04: Shirt uh.
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  SPEAKER_04: Shirt huh.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've got the mini logo.
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  SPEAKER_02: No new updates.
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  SPEAKER_04: We are uh almost just about for this first batch of species hoodies 2.0 totally sold out.
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  SPEAKER_04: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I would get yours before they're gone.
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  SPEAKER_05: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_05: Wow, that's it.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's all we need to know.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's all uh at fishingcanada.com, or you can go directly to the store if you like what you shop.
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  SPEAKER_05: Dot fishingcanada.com.
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  SPEAKER_05: I was approached from some folks from um from uh people still approach you?
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  SPEAKER_05: They do that stuff from the uh far east.
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  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_05: That uh Napoleon saw a little a little further that saw this and uh wanted to know if they could uh quote us.
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  SPEAKER_05: They would like to build that for us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ah and did you say if you can if you can match that quality at a better price, we'll talk?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because the quality is the key here.
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  SPEAKER_05: The key is the quality, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_05: Price is irrelevant.
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  SPEAKER_05: I think at twice the price there they'd be a bargain.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm at our price to get them made, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Isn't that what you're talking about?
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  SPEAKER_05: Beautiful largemouth bass one there.
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  SPEAKER_05: I mean, that's just gorgeous.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's a small mouth.
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  SPEAKER_05: I can't see that far.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's just the largemouth.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for pointing that out to me.
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  SPEAKER_05: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Bowman.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Bowman would call you.
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  SPEAKER_05: Fisheries biologists.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bullshit are extraordinaire indeed.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a bunch of bullshit.
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  SPEAKER_05: I was looking up the word fishologist the other day.
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  SPEAKER_05: Is there a word?
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  SPEAKER_05: No.
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  SPEAKER_05: No.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I decided I wanted to own it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, fishologist.ca sort of thing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, look at you.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I think I own it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you so when you Googled it, did anything come up at all?
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  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah?
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  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_05: So you know who?
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_05: Me.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because Calvin Pennell put you on that uh on that map with that one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's hilarious.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh, where were we?
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh shop, that's there.
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  SPEAKER_05: Go to it, check it all out, and check it.
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  SPEAKER_05: Booyah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Listener feedback, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Bowman.
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  SPEAKER_02: In response to our podcast with Bruno Fernandez live on the Amazon River.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was kind of a rough signal we had, but it was cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: We got the just create.
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  SPEAKER_05: Considering where they were, though, that that you have to admit.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, that was amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: They had Starlink, I believe, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is from Surfing Fireman via YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_02: Surfing Fireman.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he's a fireman who surfs, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's not the surfing the internet, oh.
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  SPEAKER_05: If he's a surfer could be.
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  SPEAKER_02: In regards to using musky baits for peacock bass, I've tried them and they work.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_02: Only problem is the damn piranhas that also attack your bait, uh, also attack your baits.
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  SPEAKER_02: All my musky bucktail blades and spinner baits had next to no hair left after the after a fish or two.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I believe that, man, because piranha, boy, they got they got a different set of teeth than anything uh out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like our musky and and uh I mean, these are using these for musky, who have the sharpest teeth in our fish world, muskie and pike, and it's nothing compared to those pirañas.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's it's you're right, too.
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  SPEAKER_05: Because I thought for as I'm listening to you read that, I'm thinking, yeah, those those nasty little little critters with those teeth.
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  SPEAKER_05: But but you use these baits for predators with big teeth.
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  SPEAKER_02: Big teeth.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's the little, maybe it's the little teeth.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'll give the audience.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you might remember this once I remind you of this.
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  SPEAKER_02: When we were when we did the Amazon, Angerino and myself, uh, we were on a piranha day.
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  SPEAKER_02: We were catching piranha left, right, and center, and because we're going to use them for bait for catfish.
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  SPEAKER_02: And one of the pyra, too, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And pyra, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you you get kind of used to bringing them in.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're first you're really apprehensive.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's oh my god, oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But after a while, it's like panfish.
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  SPEAKER_02: As long as you grab them properly, you can grab them, you know, grab a whole, and they're this is a small one.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just get your hand around.
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember those big red bellies, or wherever they were?
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  SPEAKER_02: But you get your hand around, and then you could work the little we had little pieces of meat, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We were using her fish or something.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember what it was, like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: On a single hook.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe check, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Chopped up chicken.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was popping the hook out, and piranha, they they bite, they snap, and one bit and caught the end of my thumb, but just a bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it took a bit of the skin off, no, no bleeding, but it literally bit through my thumbnail in one shot.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember that.
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  SPEAKER_02: A little wee dent, where it's very like the skin came off, and that thumbnail had a little wee in, like nothing, like one shot.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how sharp those teeth are.
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  SPEAKER_05: And sh and strong.
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  SPEAKER_05: Strong.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's like, what the hell?
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  SPEAKER_02: It was so fast too.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was I thought, do you see?
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  SPEAKER_02: I freaked out.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought, what the hell?
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't could hardly even feel it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he did that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Damn it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So their teeth are they are sharp.
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  SPEAKER_05: But isn't it funny though how we have this like piranha are are are in a different category when it comes to predator fish, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: We see them, they're they're totally separate.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but yet you know, we play around every day with with predator fish, freshwater predator fish that have bigger teeth and are much larger and probably have more uh bite per pound than piranha do, and we don't think of them that way.
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  SPEAKER_02: But piranha's got the like, everything's about the the the way they bite things, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's weird.
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  SPEAKER_05: But mind you, you know, it doesn't hurt they have stories of them eating entire cows, yeah, you know, when they fall in the water.
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  SPEAKER_02: Once you see that swarming thing, it's like, oh my god, there's nothing like that ever, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So interesting, yeah.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, peacocks are a very aggressive fish species, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you see those topwaters, the guys are running those just like they do in the saltwater stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like they're just they're not working that in finesse whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_02: In fact, the harder the better.
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  SPEAKER_05: You soon learn, right, the the more noise you can make with them, the the more they attract.
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  SPEAKER_05: And and they they seem to attract them from like miles down the river.
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  SPEAKER_02: My god, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Because you know, there's none there, and all of a sudden, after a few, and then all of a sudden it's water's just here.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Spooking.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is a fun if you ever got a chance to go peacock bass fishing, if you just you gotta do it because you know it's one of those bucket listers, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a bucket list fish.
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  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I uh I know years ago they introduced them um to Florida, the state of Florida.
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  SPEAKER_02: Miami, Miami's got them right now.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh it's and it just didn't work because I think part of the the whole allure to peacock uh bass fishing is where they live.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's I mean, let's say once you remove them from there and you try and build a fishery out of them in another jurisdiction, it's just not the same.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they're not native to any part of Florida?
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think they were introduced to the native, huh?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, because there's guys that get them in Miami all the time and that, but and they're not near as big as those big Amazon ones.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those Amazon dudes are just like whoa, like huge compared to these ones.
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  SPEAKER_05: So and it's where you are, man.
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  SPEAKER_05: When you're fishing for them, it's where you are that makes the the whole trip that special, right?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's an exotic trip.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_02: The birds are the birds.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, the ones we ate.
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  SPEAKER_05: They had these goofy birds, and they were the size of a stork.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like a heron, like a blue heron.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like a blue heron.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know, like a blue heron, it sits about you know, four feet maybe uh when it's standing.
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  SPEAKER_05: Four feet.
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  SPEAKER_05: They they kind of looked a little bit like them.
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  SPEAKER_05: They had a long neck.
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  SPEAKER_05: But the unique part about this bird, at least from our standpoint, obviously not from its standpoint, from our standpoint, is that every landing was a crash.
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  SPEAKER_05: Every landing, because they had nothing but trees.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's unlike um, you know, some some shorebirds where where it's it's a nice open shore where where they can land and kind of these birds in the thick Amazon jungle, every time they tried to land, and it was it was often, it would be a crash landing into trees, and all you hear is trees like cracking.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's like a plane just yeah, it was going on forever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh god, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not like if you picture an eagle in a nest, they go at the top, they go right and they land right in the top of the tree.
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  SPEAKER_02: They don't do the top of the tree, these guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: They didn't give a shit about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Straight on they must have been wanting to hide on shit when they get in there or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_05: I don't know, but it was almost like uh the reason I say every landing was a crash landing because it looked like they were using the trees to stop the fall.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they do, maybe that's what they do because they can't get the wings open and they weird.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what's that?
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  SPEAKER_05: We we by the way, we we we may have eaten one or two of those.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we weren't sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: But our buddy Bobby taught us we had oh great birds again, the birds again.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, more bones, more bones, that's what he said.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: He says, I know we're eating those birds, and then those trees, there was howler monkeys too.
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  SPEAKER_02: My god, the noises they made.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, eh?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_05: Do it, do it.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's like it's very uh difficult in that it's expensive and it's a uh time consuming and it's uncomfortable, and I could go on and on about the negatives.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_05: But if you have the means and you love that type of adventure, yeah, you gotta do it once.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, you gotta do it, anyways.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_05: I it kind of dovetails into today's show because obviously the Amazon is nothing but shoreline, right?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: So we were not that far because I know I don't know if I want to be walking that shoreline too.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_05: Producers, no, no kidding.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_05: Producers looking at us right now saying, where the hell are these guys going?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: As usual, as usual, but we do.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I'll tell you where we're going.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, there's one thing that you won't find in the Amazon, on the Amazon River.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, that's well, I don't think yet.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_05: And that is grass carp.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: They'll get eaten.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Someone's gonna eat them up.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_05: That's true.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_05: Those payarouts.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: Those payaro, the Amazon cats.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, those payabura cats.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, oh yeah.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, but we now have confirmation, DFO has confirmation that two grass carp were captured in Ontario's Welland River uh during routine surveillance by invasive carp program, folks.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_05: And um quick action was taken.
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  SPEAKER_05: The testing at the laboratory in Burlington, Ontario confirmed that they were fertile, meaning they can reproduce.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and from what I understand, that's the first time that's been I know all the other ones have been infertile because how these fish they get here the majority of the time in the states, you can still legally buy them, they just have to be triploids to clean out ponds and whatever.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's how they get up here, and uh so obviously um I think the process of creating triploid fish and then knowing that what you have is a triploid fish is not perfect, so I'm sure that's how how this happens.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: So whether these are first generation or second, I mean I I I don't I don't think they know that information, but it's not it it it's not it's not positive news for sure.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: And that's two that they caught, right?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's that whole river.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's more than that.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_05: The tip of the iceberg.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so let's make sure we're all on top of the our game when it comes to being able to ID them and and learn what to do if we do come in contact with them.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that's all available at invasivecarp.ca.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_05: You know it, buddy.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_05: Invasive carp.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_05: It's not good.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's not good.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_05: Come on, now I don't like it.
• 14:25
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• 14:33
  SPEAKER_05: Although I keep saying that, Princecraft Mercury, but you can't I don't think you can buy a Princecraft without a Mercury on it.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_05: Now that I think of it.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_05: Not brand new, you can't, no.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_05: You're right.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_05: They just come one way from the factory.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_05: It's all Brunswick owned.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's all Brunswick owned Brunswick product.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_05: Owns Merc and Princecraft, and they build them all in one yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: They work with they work in conjunction with each other in Merck and Princecraft.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's correct.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's correct.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_05: Boy, boy, you're on top of your game today, answered.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: Conjunction.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: You like that word, eh?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: What was that other word we were talking about earlier today?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we can't say that on the podcast.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know why we can't.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_05: I happen to watch uh I don't uh you know spend a lot of time podcasting, podcast viewing.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_05: I do listen to a lot of podcasts, but I don't spend a lot of time viewing them.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_05: Although I have to admit, the other night I was surfing around on, and I don't mind, although they don't need my help for sure, but uh I was on Netflix and I didn't realize that Netflix has a podcast uh element to it.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know they just got into that, yeah.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_05: They just got in, but have you been there, Dean?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 15:42
  unknown: Man.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_05: What's different about it than a lot of podcasts Spotify, Apple?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_05: But but but but but uh the reason I made that comment because I for the first time I actually sat through a uh spit and chiclets podcast.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: You guys are pretty funny, eh?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: I've never watched one.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: I've I've uh listened to uh they're they are funny guys.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_05: Those dudes are good.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're good, yeah.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely good.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_05: Hats off to them.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_05: I was gonna say it's easy to be good when you have no boundaries because they have no language on that one just to warn everybody.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_05: No language boundaries.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_05: And so people like me that listen to that, find that entertaining in some perverse way.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_05: I I kind of found it entertaining that they were you know throwing all kinds of uh nasties at themselves and others, etc.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know what though, it's I like that we we talk like that.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking all nice, nice, nice.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: But on the road, I'm gonna be honest with you.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's bad.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: When I when I was freaking a kid, five-year-old, six-year-old kid, once I learned to swear, that was it for me.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: I was on for life, and I haven't stopped.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, my dad swore a lot, and uh, you know, so it's just I don't know.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's more like the boys thing, right?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: When you get to you go to the fishing trip, you go to a a lodge, or you go to a hunting camp or something like that.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: There ain't any, you know.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Bill, how was your day today?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: It was great.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: I was laughing great and I don't know.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I don't know because because you don't all your buddies are all my buddies, I know.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_05: Right, they're all just the way you you just uh described it, but but there's another element out there, there's another world out there that that that doesn't happen.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_05: And I agree.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm gonna assume that parts of that other world fish and hunt.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_05: Therefore, it's quite possible that you would go to a fish camp or a hunting camp.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: We have encountered uh people that don't swear.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: And they don't they don't mind Keith Beasley.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: I've uh I've traveled with Keith.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Keith is a very a religious man, right?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't swear, but I have bomb in front of him all the time.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: He just laughs about it.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_05: See, to me, Keith is a wannabe swearer, and I'll tell you why, because every second okay, but he doesn't swear a lot.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_05: Because every second word is friggin'.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_05: So if if you're like obviously there's a need and a want to express oneself in that way.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_05: So if you're gonna express yourself in that way, just go for it.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_05: What's this friggin' story?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, he doesn't want to say the the bomb.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just by the way, what's the matter with that word?
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_03: F all no beep.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_05: Beep, but that's the truth, though.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh uh, are we off center here?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_05: Can we correct?
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_05: Can somebody correct this course?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_05: We're drifting into the rocks here, and I need to get off.
• 18:42
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• 18:48
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• 18:55
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• 19:10
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• 19:14
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• 19:17
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not at liberty to divulge at this particular moment.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_05: The only thing I will tell you is this if you are looking for a boat motor trailer package.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: What does it hurt to go to the website, right?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't hurt you anything.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: Click.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's all.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: That's all I gotta say.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_05: I can't say I'm already gonna get my wrist slapped on just for helping you out with that little bit of information.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_05: Anyways, they do bring us the news, and in the news, a 22-inch snake found inside largemouth bass reviving the old bait trend.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know this was an old trend because I've been seeing this everywhere, these massive, like when we were down at iCast, remember we ran into the Lunker Hunt guys and they had a worm.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's called the it's called the Lickety Split or something like that, or stickety split.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like 32 inches long.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they had some limit sale too, if I remember correctly, when we were there for the meet and greet.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Giant, really massive.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_05: Now the snakes have been around forever for baits.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: Uh they they come and go, they're very cyclical and they're regional, obviously.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_05: Very very regional.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_05: Very but I used to sell them in the 80s.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_05: I used to sell them in the store.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I remember that.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we had to have some snake baits, and they were crazy looking things, right?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_05: And they come and go.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_05: And and but but and we're always amazed.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_05: I I was amazed then.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_05: I'm amazed now to hear that they're on making a comeback because I mean, think about it.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_05: What more natural I to me, what more natural food would there be to a bass that's in shallow water in swampy conditions, and you got one of those slithering snakes on the surface?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_05: Like what respectable bass would say no, I don't think so.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_05: That no, it's too slithery for me.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_05: It's got too many.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: I just noticed this guy was a 12-inch largemouth that had that 22-inch snake.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's a tiny little bass.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, it's a it's a great food for sort of.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, amphibians have always like frogs.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, everybody knows the frogs are great for bass, and they have this whole whole array of frog baits out there and all that stuff.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: But but we've thrown a lot of 10 and 12 inch worms, like which is a snake, which is basically a big old snake.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_05: The problem with those big baits, like long baits like that, is you have no hooking power.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_05: If if that if that fish does not hit the bait at the head, right, or close to it, and eat it the way it should eat it, chances are you're not gonna get a hook into that fish, right?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if he doesn't hit the hook area, yeah, you're right.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you one thing I have noticed, and it's not a lot, but I I've been throwing In uh thick milfoil beds, you know, punching into the thick milfoil in the holes and stuff like that.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: I've been cat out on 10 and 12 inch worms, I've been catching walleye on them.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Walleye eating like a 12-inch worm.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Same thing.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Same thing.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_05: Where opportunities we say, huh?
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_05: Why would that well because that's that's how they eat.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: Something drops into their world, they're gonna have to.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_05: They don't care.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_05: They don't see a snake as we see a snake.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_05: They don't see a mouse or a rat or anything.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_05: What they see is food.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_05: At the end of the day, anything that is in their environment is open game.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, and and and let's be honest about it, it's no different than a shark.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_05: You know, we hear about all these shark attacks, and then and then after they take a bite, they back away because they realize it's not a seal or whatever the case may be.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: They took a shot at it.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_05: They took a shot at it because it's in their a target zone and it's moving, therefore, anything that moves in their target zone is fair game and food.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_05: So we're always surprised to hear stories, like you just said, a walleye taking a uh 12-inch worm.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but why?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: And just inhaling it too, whoop.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: 16 inchers, look at this.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Gambler's got a 16 net baits, got a 15.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: That one Dean's talking about stickety split, 32 inches.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now that I'd have a hard time throwing.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: I just like in Canada at least, I'd have a hard time throwing it.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe, maybe down in Mexico, I'd have no problem throwing.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: But that's a pretty damn big horse.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so that's the one there, and you can see the little like ridges on it.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's made that you're supposed to be able to cut it to size.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: So people are just putting the whole thing on and throwing it out there.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: No kidding.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: See, and that guy's got that Texas rig too.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, that's crazy.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, they used to work.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_05: If you could get a hook uh working, that now we were limited to hooks back then.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_05: I think today it might be a little easier to figure out a more effective hooking plan.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_05: But back then, I mean, we had one or two uh worm hooks, you know, for Texas rigging, and that's it.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but today with the availability of all the different hook types, style sizes, I'll bet you come up with a pretty interesting.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_05: Do you remember they used to call it the tourist worm?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: I do remember something about that, but not it's ringing a bell.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_05: So the tourist worm uh was made by a company called Cream.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, it's the scoundrel.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: They made the scoundrel before.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_05: So a tourist worm was uh you could get them at various sizes, but the large ones, which was an eight inch, I believe, was their largest.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_05: What they did, they they put the hook harness in the mold when they were pouring the worms.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_05: They snowed it, right?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_05: So they had little hooks about every two inches coming out of the body of the worm.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_05: They were effective as hell.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that would hook them up no matter where they grabbed them, right?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's yeah.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_05: They work big time, uh.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_05: But they had very limited colors, limited sizes, and you couldn't throw it into pads and that couldn't.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: No, because it's now they did come out with a weedless version, okay, which didn't work worth the dam.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_05: Because it got hung up everywhere in the works.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_05: But uh, anyways, uh yeah, so snakes in fishing have has been around since the beginning of time.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think right now in large in the world of largemouth bass, a a seven a six-inch worm is hardly ever used anymore.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think guys are mostly running seven to ten-inch worms, like a ten-inch power worm is like as money on any lake, no matter what.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: And you catch ten-inch bass on those stupid things, you know what I mean?
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I think a bigger worm, it's doing the tendency has gone to bigger worms for worm fishing, for you know, when you when you're rigging it like that.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: When you want to go finessing, maybe not so much, but yeah.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_05: It just feels weird when you're tossing out this 12, 14-inch worms.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: What the hell?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_05: Looks great though on the surface when you're retrieving it.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that would.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_05: Anyways, uh, yeah.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_05: So uh uh check it out.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_05: Uh is this story on our site, Dean?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_05: Is that it'll be on there, yep.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_05: It'll be on there.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_05: Uh 22-inch snake found inside largemouth bass, and the bass was 12 inches.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_05: That's one tough little battery.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's a hungry tough bass right there.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_05: Fan question of the week.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um submitted by Donald Prevost.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_05: Prevost?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_05: Prevost?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_05: Uh 1098.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_05: Via the YouTube?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_05: Is that a good thing?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_05: That's a contender.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_05: That's a good thing for Donald.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_05: So this is a possible contender for something.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_04: We don't know what, but something$50 towards the store.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, we've defined it now.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: We've had this for like two years, dude.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: We've just we've kind of just defined it now.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was just it's always been kind of questionable as to what we should be.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: We always throw it out there.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_05: No uh we didn't know you were backdooring the deal with these guys.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_05: Give them$50.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_05: Are you out of your mind?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_04: We got we got shut down by the countess.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_05: Are you out of your mind?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_05: $50 for what?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_05: For for writing in?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for for being good people.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_05: Well, there you go.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_05: I don't I don't make the rules.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_05: I just have to.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_05: You think the countess will knock her down to$25 one day?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_05: I think so.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_05: I think so.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_05: Just wait for the weights to go up.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_05: Don't you worry.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Better get on it, people.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_05: Who gives$50 away just for writing a letter?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Not too many, bud.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_05: My lawyer.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_05: Ask my lawyer if he gives$50 away for writing letters.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_05: He charges me$1,500 to write me a letter.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but your letters are a little expensive in the world of lawyers.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_05: $50.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_05: Anyways, uh, here it is.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, so here's the question uh for your next episode.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_05: How do you know if your lake is productive and producing good walleye if you cannot net it like the ministry does for thorough research and analysis?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_05: He goes on to say, I catch everything from 8 to 30 inch walleye, but some years seem uh lull when others are good.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_05: So ups and downs, but it is very cyclical, we know that.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, he says the lake is not pressured and also holds pike and perch.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_05: It gets fished about five times a year in the summer and fished on some weekends in the winter because of its remoteness.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_05: Can it become overpopulated and affect the lake from lack of feed?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_05: Can it become overpopulated and then affect the lake from lack of food?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_05: Obviously, anytime you have more predators than prey, it does sort of throw the balance off kilter.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um so is that the end of his question?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's it.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_05: All right, so first of all, uh what is he insinuating that he should be able to net the lake like the ministry does?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: I guess maybe it's kind of yeah, it's kind of weird in that sense because if if you're a remote lake, the reason they net lakes normally is to give commercial fishermen an idea and to let like the lake has been harmed or is big enough in some way that you need to monitor it.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_05: Or or highly pressured lakes have monitoring going on constantly, right?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_05: Because that's how they try and establish you know catch limits and and uh creole limits, etc.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's based on the inventory.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you got to know how much inventory you got in order to be able to you know put a sail on type of thing.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like a a a good indicator that your lake's healthy is that they're not monitoring and not stocking it.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like normally stocking is uh is a recovery, not a monitoring situation.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I I I I wouldn't be concerned about that part of the question.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's the Dino.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's just my opinion.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: He's getting up to 30 inches.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: He's doing all right.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: So here my take on this, and I've been watching this a lot lately on lakes that I continuously fish, is that maybe Donald is fishing his same spots all the time.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there's that.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: And that's I'm not saying, Donald, that you're catching, keeping, killing, and eating every fish out of that spot.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: What I'm saying is that walleye, along with every other predator in that lake, move around like you wouldn't believe.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: And every year could be different, and it's based on the perch, it's based on the minnows, it's based on the food base.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: And they will follow that stuff no matter what.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: It does if they hate the area they live in, they'll still move there because they have to eat like us every day.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: You can't drive away from food and say, I'm not gonna eat anymore.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: You go towards food no matter what.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: So the bait is is huge.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: And and you know, if it's perch base or something like that, if the perch are all set up in the northeast corner this year for whatever reason, you're gonna see most of the predators are over there too.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_05: So there is that might be changing around.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_05: Conditions force them to change, not just food, right?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_05: But there's all kinds of conditions, everything light penetration.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but another thing, too, to keep in mind, and and and he says that sometimes there's a lull.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so meaning that some years they're not as plentiful uh as others, and uh at the end of the day, that's all based on the reproduction cycle of those fish two, three, four years prior to when you notice that there was a lull.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_05: And that's what we don't understand.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_05: It's a good one.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you're that when you have a bad uh season spawn-wise, if if a lake for whatever reason has a bad spawn season, you're not gonna see the net results of that for at least two or three years, maybe four years down the road.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody says, like when we have uh high water levels, the people I hear people saying, oh boy, it's gonna be tough next week, it's gonna be hard catching walleye next month, it's gonna be hard catching walleye next year.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_05: But that's not the case because that spawn really the effects of that spawn are two, three, four years down the road before you even notice it.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_05: So this could be the byproduct of some high water levels uh during spawning season that force the walleye to or low water levels uh more than likely, or just temperatures, uh some man-made problems, which we do quite often still, yeah, and it disrupts the the spawning cycle.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_05: And then four years down the road, three years down the road, you say, Oh, fishing's a little bit off.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: But you forgot that three years ago you had a catastrophe on that lake during walleye spawning, right?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_05: So just something to keep in mind.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_05: Uh there's a million different reasons why.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_05: But I all I do know is that lakes do cycle a lot.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_05: You'll have really a productive period for a number of years, and then you'll have a couple of bad seasons, and then back to good again.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_05: So uh just be thankful that you have walleye up to 30 inches.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_05: That's all I gotta say.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: You're doing all right, brother.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: You just gotta work around, keep moving around.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: All right, what do we think?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_05: Is he worth uh 50 bucks, Nikki?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know what's funny is I was just just going through an email here really quick.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_04: And do you remember Waves, Currents, and Ice from uh a couple weeks ago?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_04: Last week.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not sure when that was.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: Should I?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: A guy that won a question.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: Oh turns out he's a repeat offender.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_04: How on a different account, but he let me know, so we'll discuss that in a moment.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh look, it's a YouTube comment.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: You guys talked a lot about it, so it gave us what we wanted out of it.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_04: I don't see any reason why we shouldn't disallow this question unless you got a reason why it's not to be accepted.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_04: I'd say this is more of like an innocent till proven guilty thing.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna listen to the boss over there, the adjunk boss.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: The junk boss.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, junk boss.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not adjunct anymore.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_04: We went over this.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: I'm full junk.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_04: You're always gonna be an adjunct to me.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: Full junk.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_05: You're the full junk.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_05: Full junk boss.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: I agree with the full junk boss.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: A guy that's got full junk, he's got he knows what he's talking about.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: Damn right.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_05: My junk's full.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_05: And and so, so what are we saying here?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_05: I thought we were judging these uh questions on the job.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_04: On the content of their character, right.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_04: And how well you know they uh helped the show.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_05: I like it.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't tell that you went bing bing bing bing bing bing bing.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_05: I I like it.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_05: I think this is the type of question that uh we should be trying to get more of.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_05: Winner, danger.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: So that well done, Donald Peebles.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: If that helps at all, I mean, you know.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_04: As for uh waves, currents, and ice.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: Uh what do we want to do here?
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I think you need to make it clear right now that they can only win once.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_05: One time.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_05: One time.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: Even if they change their alias and we catch them, right?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna you're gonna get it.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, he didn't catch them.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_04: He did come out and say, hey, you read our question.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_04: What's your policy for repeats?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty good.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: Can we give them 10 bucks off?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_05: I I think what we should do though, if we do catch some, I think they owe us 50 bucks.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_05: I agree.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, can we do that?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: And if they did that before, they're gonna send us back the sweater or the hoodie that they bought, whatever that.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: And the 50 bucks.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: And the 50 bucks.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Both of them.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Both of them.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so so to Waves Currents Nice, there will be no additional$50.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for owning up to that.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, thank you very much.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_05: All right.
• 35:30
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• 36:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, next few minutes here.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, because I threw this out earlier on.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_05: I wonder how many of us got our start in fishing from shore.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I'll bet you if we could see a show of hands out there right now, they'd all be up.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of hands up first.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_05: They would all be up.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_05: And because I doubt that your first fishing adventure, and I'm assuming that it was when you were a toddler, was out of a boat.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_05: It was on shore with mom, dad, brother, grandpa, somebody, an adult there supervising you and making your first cast into the edge of a creek or a river or a pond.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_05: That's how that's how we start.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: And then and then some of us evolve from that, and I don't mean that that let me take that back.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_05: Some of us at some point want to venture out further, and so we take that next step, or what we feel is that next step, and that is in a boat of some sort where we can move away from shore.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_05: But then there's another element that takes that initial first step and continue from shore and develop um fishing uh recreational fishing opportunities for the rest of their lives and never set foot on a boat.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_05: And we don't realize that.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_05: True.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_05: We don't realize the fish.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: They must they must get some boat experience, don't you think?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: There's people that are a lot of people out there that will say I've never been on a boat fishing.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_05: I know some fly fishermen who have never stepped on a boat.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_05: Nor would they.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_05: Go to the Franklin Club and talk to some of those I've seen those guys out in boats in those little skiffs.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: But that's a boat.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I asked the first time I went there, I asked, because they only have like, I think, eight boats.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_05: And I asked him, I said, boy, there must be a lineup for those boats like every day.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_05: He said, No, not really.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_05: Most of them not a fish shore.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_05: Most of them uh no, he was talking about he says most of them never get untied for the whole season.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_05: Eight boats in a big club like that.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_05: So that gives you the mentality of those folks.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: We saw it that day.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: We saw two boats out or whatever, and uh, everybody else was on shore fly fishing, yeah.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_05: So we thought it'd be a good opportunity to to use that as a subject matter, a fodder, if you will, for this uh episode and give you our perspective on shore fishing and maybe um maybe get some of you folks to reach out to us and let us know what your thoughts are on shore fishing.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_05: To me, although now I'm not a practicing shore fisherman, I have and I do and I love it, etc.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_05: But you know, if I have if I have a choice, I'm gonna jump into a boat and I'm gonna go offshore to fish.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_05: Of course.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_05: However, however, if we really think about it, when we jump in a boat and we head to the other side of the lake, what's the first thing most of us look for is some good shoreline to fish.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, depending on the species, yeah, you're right.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, yeah, we're not talking, we're not talking uh, you know, salmon fishing or you know, big lake uh well, walleye you wouldn't necessarily be looking for like smallmouth, large mouth.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_05: Well, no, you would.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_05: What's the first thing you look for for walleye?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_05: Aside from you know, humps.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_05: How about those nice tapered points?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: A point, maybe right?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_05: How about those points?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_05: Well, they're they come offshore.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, they're part of it for sure.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_05: So all I'm saying is that once we broke free of the shoreline shackles and got into boats, we immediately headed for another shoreline.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a lot of shoreline that gets hit by boats.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's bass fishermen.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they're the that's the that's it, that's the deal, right?
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: Bass fishermen, that's what what they normally do.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: Most people love throwing into the lily pads that are along the shore.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: They're not out in 30 feet of water.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: They love throwing it, throwing into docks, they love throwing in the reed beds and stuff like that.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely, which is usually close to shore.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: Usually.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_05: There was a uh back in my tournament days, now I'm going back a lot of years, there was a piece of shoreline that I fished and always done extremely well on by boat.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_05: And uh every time I fished it, every single time I fished it, I always said, I wonder why people aren't fishing here from shore.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_05: Because it had a road going right across it, right?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_05: A beautiful road, a two two-lane paved uh sort of road.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: Not a private road, obviously.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_05: And yet there were more bass hunkered down on the riprap around the the that road.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the right that crossed the shoreline of that road.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_05: The shoreline of that road.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_05: Then you could and and and and they were everywhere.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_05: So we'd run for like 40 minutes from where we'd put the boat in to go up to this spot to fish it and catch fish.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and but nobody ever never saw anybody on that shoreline fishing.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, that's interesting.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I I wonder how I mean that's just me.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_05: That's a sample of one.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, there's probably so many examples of a fishery that we fish from a boat today.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: That you could drive to.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think a big deal right nowadays, too, though, is is private private property, right?
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's huge for the shoreline anglers.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: There's got to be there's gotta be some kind of uh You're talking river fishing now, right?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: No, every whatever.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like whatever if there's a pond or a lake or something like that, there might be private land.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there's cottages, obviously.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's all private land, right?
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: So you've got to find uh uh a little snippet of land that you can actually access that is not private, it's crowned land.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: So that might be an issue with a lot of short, you know, keeping some shoreline anglers away.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you look at a typical lake, uh Crystal Lake up or father-in-law's cottage there, um there's so many cottages that you can't walk out anywhere.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: So you could fish around the boat launches, and there's some a couple of areas you can fish.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: How about harbors?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: Harbors are great, right?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like the Whitby Harbor around us, the Whitby Harbor's fish.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_05: But even on that lake you just mentioned Crystal Lake, is there not a marina that has a big, you know, those break walls going out of it?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_05: No, there isn't.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, there's then it's all private there too.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: We got we were fishing that one day, and the lady in the marina says comes out and we were doing what you guys said, what you're saying, is we I have my boat in and I'm we're fishing the shoreline, right?
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: And fishing the docks, of course.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: And then we go out to the end, and there's a big point that comes out and fishing the shoreline.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: She says, Excuse me, guys, do you know that you're not allowed to fish the shoreline?
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: I swear to friggin' God, a marina owner told us we can't fish the shoreline from my boat.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Excuse me?
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: And she's yeah, I oh, and then where'd you hear?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's the laws.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's the way okay dokie, then, honey.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, we'll just move and move on out of here.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: Fish the shoreline around the corner.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_05: She she specifically said you can't fish the shoreline.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Specifically.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: I have a witness, a mutual friend of ours that will tell you the same story.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, but anyways, it's balls.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_05: But that one's a ball that's ballsing.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but there's another part of that lake where there's there's a big public dock, I think, it-ish.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you could fish off of that, I think.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's all boats are parked on it, but I don't know if it's private or not.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: But, anyways, the that lake is a classic example of very limited space.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Now you could still fish uh uh offshore there, for sure.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: You can still fish off certain areas, but and then some of the back bays and that you'll never get to.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: You just can't, you know, you'd be crazy to walk through the bush to try a couple casts of that.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you wouldn't you wouldn't.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_05: I I I I used to go Into well, this might be illegal, so I probably shouldn't say it was a long time ago.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_05: They can't lock me up now.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh besides, it was okay then, it's not legal now.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_05: So we used to portage in Dalgonquin Park on a regular basis, and we had our favorite lakes and our favorite, you know, camping areas on those lakes that we'd go to year in and year out, two, three times a year.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_05: And um it's not the easiest thing in the world to fish out of a canoe.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's enjoyable, I love it.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_05: But you know, it it's it's it's it has its challenges, right?
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: So what we used to do is we would chum our favorite uh camp areas.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_05: Back then it was okay that you could clean the fish that you were going to consume and you could throw the remains into the lake.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_05: And that was perfectly fine.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_05: And so after continuous chumming of these spots, they became a magnet.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_05: Like an actual magnet for fish.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_05: So we learned that why are we going out there beating ourselves up in a canoe when all you have to do is just sit up here and shore.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_05: And we were fishing them from shore.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_05: It was the best, not as much, not as much enjoyment, not as much fun, but bigger fish, a lot bigger fish, and a lot more of them.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_02: No kidding, eh?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it was uh listen, the the the the shore fishing, there's so much to it.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, Europe has made uh a whole of shore fishing um in Europe, that's the only way to fish, right?
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_05: Millions and millions and millions of people access whatever shore lines they can.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_05: Carp anglers.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: Carp anglers being the main the mainstay of that, but oh my god, yeah.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_05: But but here, not so much, right?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, yeah, you've got your spots.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_05: There's a few spots that I can think of that attract.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_05: And of course, the rivers um that attract steelhead and salmon each year, they they do get some activity.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, for sure.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but uh by and large, uh you don't see people doing a lot of shore fishing.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, you don't.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: We'll take suggestions- I know people don't want to give their uh their secrets away, but if you want to write in to us or on this on the YouTube comment on some suggested spots because we're always getting questions on that too.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: We're always saying, hey, where can I fish from shore?
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, where can I fish from shore?
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: We give our our standard ones that we know where we can go fishing offshore, and we tell everybody with that.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: But there might be some other stuff that's uh that's uh uh maybe a broad enough area where it'll handle a bit of pressure or whatever.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_05: Like the one that that comes to mind for me, only because I grew up in this area, um, is that causeway on the bottom end of Lake Skug.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, on Highway 7.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_05: There's like two or three c uh culverts running under the highway.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_05: They're always covered with people.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Bewedley, the town of Bewedley.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's where I grew that's where I grew up in fishing.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: At the bottom of it, right there, yeah.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I spent oh my god, I wish I I had a dollar for each hour that I spent fishing as a kid from that shoreline.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_05: The docks and the marina and all that.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, it was great.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_05: Every Sunday, every Sunday.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, again, private private area.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: Let's say, let's talk about Crown Land only, like for speckled trout, brook trout, speckled trout, boy, that's uh 100% shoreline fishing.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's that right that's where I did most of my shore fishing as a kid.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: When my dad and I would go to Brook Trout Creeks, go up north and and uh find these little creeks that would just walk the bank.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: Those were magic.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, it was funny, and you learned how to sneak along that bank, you know, you learned very quickly that these trout are very wary to everything, to the thump of your foot, to everything like that.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: So you'd be you know, almost sniping them, you know what I mean.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: Then maybe get one or two, and and it was and you if you caught one or two fish, you were happy as hell, right?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't about your limit, it'd be nice to get your limit, but he didn't care really.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: He just wanted to catch a nice little 12-inch brookie to to bring home and have for supper or something like that.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: Digging up your own worms or or or you know, any other creatures that you could uncover along the shoreline, that's where you you you develop that that natural ability to forge.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: I've never done much bass fishing off of shore, even as a as a I remember one I remember one instance in Sudbury.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: I did a lot of fishing in the Sudbury area, and uh one instance we were on Windy Lake.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's everybody that's up in that area knows Windy Lake, it's a very popular lake.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: And uh my uncle, Uncle Maddie and I were out um we're out just going out fishing, and I don't know why we did this, but we got we took the boat out, but I don't know if we could fish properly, so we put the boat, we shored, beached the boat or whatever, and went on to the dam.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: There was a big dam there, and uh we threw frogs out for smallmouth bass back then that used to be we pounded them.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: We pounded, we come and we kept them back then if he fished fry for the whole cottage.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like there was about four families there like that.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody was freaking out, but that was something that we did not, we just took the boat to access the shoreline, and then we fished out the shoreline and caught the fish, sort of thing like that.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_05: So you just threw me back in time.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_05: Frogs, oh my god.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, that's they used to be the bait for the longest.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_05: I wonder when does anybody know when they stopped that the use of frogs?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: You could still don't quote me on this, but there's a I think there's a leopard frog.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you can use leopards still.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: Are you serious?
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: Dino or Nick, can somebody look that up, please?
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think there's still something going on with that.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, go ahead.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: I used to love that.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, frog fishing was fun, was fun.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: I hooked him by the back leg.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Back leg in the middle of the leg, and he would try to get up and had a sinker down there and then boom.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: You're right, Pete.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: It has to be a northern leopard.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it can't be a pickerel frog or a bullfrog or a toad or anything like that.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be the northern leopard, and you're allowed to keep 12.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_05: I need you to stop there for a minute.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_05: There is a pickrel frog.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_05: A pickerel frog, which I have never heard of.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_05: You see?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_05: That's remember I told you about that fall migration.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, wow.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're pretty common actually.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: When you look at them, you have to pull up some pictures.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: You see?
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_05: That's that that that's part of that, yeah?
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's that feeding.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_05: Why would they call it a pickerel frog?
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's that that that time of year.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I thought they were leopard frogs or what you're talking about, whatever.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Here, I'll pull this up for you guys.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: You've definitely seen crazy.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's a picker frog.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's like a brown frog.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's a pickrel frog.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: Brown leopard frog, basically.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to know your you have to be able to ID these things because I don't know if I would I would have assumed that's a leopard.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would think it looks like it, doesn't it?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like just an off-colored one or something.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, maybe.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: Because leopard frogs are definitely green.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: There's no doubt about it.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I would look at that and say for sure it's different.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: Why is it brown?
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: But it's I would think, oh, maybe it's like a female, like they're different colors or so.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_05: These are all things you learn, by the way, if you hang around shorelines.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: You'll never learn that out and about.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: Have you done much bass fishing on your like as a young adult to like when you're past your parents going to the debutly and all that?
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: So going a little later in life.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_05: The odd time I've done some um some limited bass, and you know where it was?
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_05: Now that I think of it, it was on the south side of um highway seven off of Skugog.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_05: And the reason for it is fishability in this particular case.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_05: There's also another spot on the Nongquan River that the best way to fish it for largemouth is from shore.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_05: You just can't get your boat right to access those fish.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_05: So there are some spots probably on most lakes.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_05: That one I just told you about that that mentioned the top end of Mitchell there.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_05: The best place to fish that from is the road.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_05: Or off the road.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_05: So excuse me, they're there, but we just as anglers today, we well, yeah.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_05: We just don't.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, look at a beautiful pair of boats right there.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: That just like, why would you be going shore fishing?
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we're spoiled, right?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I mean it's not the right thing.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: Now we go out in Lake Ontario.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: I watched a video this morning telling Dean about it.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: 50 feet of water, and they aren't alongshore.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: The this species they were after, you need a boat to get there.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of fishing that you when I went out on the weekend, you needed a boat to get out there.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: These fish were a minimum 20 feet deep or deeper.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: So you know, sometimes you just can't.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_05: We've done it uh in in the north a few times where we've gone into a remote lake.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and the best fishing spot we deduced this just by looking.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_05: Saying, you know, if we could get out on that point and fish from there, it probably and we used to do that.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_05: We did it a few times on the show.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_02: How about when we do shore launch and they're all cooking it up, and you and I walk out on the end of the rock and all of a sudden, hey look at I got oh my god, I got one too.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's like we're why are you using a boat even?
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_05: The whole thing that I wanted to bring this up for two reasons.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_05: Number one, never overlook those spots because they can be magic, those spots where where you would boat to normally.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_05: Never overlook them.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_05: If there's fish or fish, and a a lot of time is spent by fish cruising shorelines, that's where they eat a lot of them.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_05: Just about every species at some point will be foraging along a shoreline.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_05: So if you can access it, if you can get to it, just try it next time, just as a bit of a change up.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_05: But more importantly, the reason I wanted to talk about shorelines is because when I talk about shoreline fishing, my memory goes right back to that four or five-year-old little kid, six-year-old little kid scampering around shorelines fishing and getting introduced to fishing and learning all the wonders of nature from those experiences.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_05: And I just feel like maybe not enough of that is happening today.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, could it be?
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_02: You just brought me back way back to Emo, Ontario.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_02: Remember you guys we drove through?
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I wanted to see I could show you Grandma Bowman's house.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: We'd go to Grandma Bowman's house, and she lived 200 yards from the Rainy River.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd I'd I when I used to walk by my dad and that, and then finally I got old enough.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: Dad said, You go on your own, kid.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'd walk there every trip we did to Emo.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: I was on the bank of that river casting, and I'd catch either walleye, pike, or smallmouth.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I'd catch nothing, but it didn't care.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: I kept going.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_02: I just it was it was in me that I had to go there and in the early morning.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it didn't matter, you know what I mean?
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't matter.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_02: And it didn't matter.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_05: It didn't matter whether, whether I mean just you went because somehow nature embraced you and drew you there.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: Fire that daredevil out as far as you could with a spin caster through the air, you know what I mean?
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_02: Hope for the best.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: Before we go, uh a classic example of shore fishing was Steve Nazwiki.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: Used to go to Pickton Harbor in the in the late fall.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: And and off those docks.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: Off those docks and smash giant walleye.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like that.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_02: Some of his best walleye fishing of his life was from shoreline.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it's harder, it's it's harder to do now.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_02: But that's you know what?
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_02: There's somewhere in the Bay of Quinney right now, I guarantee you that in November there's a shoreline where you could sit on that's in public land and you could catch big walleye.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: I guarantee it.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_05: So just keep an eye, just be aware of it.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_05: And uh and sometimes even if you're out boating, fishing out of a boat, every once in a while just look around and say, hmm, you know what?
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe I I'm gonna beach this baby and just go out in that point and uh and make a few casts.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, what the hell, right?
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_05: It's just it's a different experience.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_05: Something about having your feet on the ground fishing is different than fishing out of a boat.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_05: Totally different experience.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_05: Anyways, um, that's all I gotta say about it.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: I just I have one more thing to add.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, please.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: This uh frog thing.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: Back to that, it's very interesting to me.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: Look how close these look.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: So a le the leopard versus the pickerel, black versus brown, yeah.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the so on a pickerel frog, the spots are always in a row where you see the leopards are kind of all random.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I would have never known that.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I definitely you could break the floor.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: You'd have brought the law in your deep.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_00: You'd have been a poacher.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: If you saw both of those, I'd be putting them both in a bucket.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Bring me the bucket.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_05: So you can use still today, you can use pickerel frog.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_05: No, you can use a leopard.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: You can use leopard frog.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: 12 leopards you can have in your possession.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: So today, yep.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: I can fish with a leopard frog.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: According to the regs, yep.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: And Ontario, this is Ontario, by the way.
• 56:57
  unknown: Wow.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: But the pickerel, no, you cannot.
• 57:01
  unknown: Wow.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_05: There's nothing more fun for a kid than tying on one of those frogs and letting it loose.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: I can go across and I used to go so we would beach our boat, we would beach our boats at my aunt's cottage when I was a kid, and when you like unbeach them in the morning, like when you pulled them out, there'd be like two or three frogs.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: Underneath like underneath the boat.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that was like my favorite part of every day was you had like two frogs to use, and you had to save them, yeah.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: It was so and you had to be, and I'll have to get I'm gonna give myself props on this.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_02: You had to be quick as quick as Bruce Lee to catch these little sons of bitches.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: Because a leopard frog is so quick, and and it does not want anything to do with anything around like that.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I got so I got really good at catching the little things, but it took me forever to do it.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_02: But there's especially the little guys, they're just and they jump for the size of them, they jump forever, right?
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like strong as hell.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_05: So my favorite memories of using frogs for fishing is at night.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: I've never done that in a moment.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, it was just so it was it was magic.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_02: On the top, like topwater?
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, top water.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, strictly topwater.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, it was just it was magic.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_05: Because you just hear the slurp.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: And the nuclear line tighten up.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_05: We digress.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um, if you have an opportunity to to take a kid out fishing, take him out shore fishing first.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_05: Take him outshore fishing first.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_05: Get get his get him grounded into because I do believe it.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_05: I believe standing on that shore, catching your first fish, somehow does draw you into fishing more so than uh uh sitting on a boat as a kid.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_05: Now the next evolution obviously would be that, but get them started, and especially we we we talked to so many of you at these uh uh trade shows and and uh consumer shows that say, Yeah, I'd like to take my kids out fishing, but yeah, I don't have a boat, and I don't well, you don't need a boat.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_05: Get that out of your head.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_05: There's gotta be a uh site somewhere online that that has all these wonderful uh shoreline fishing opportunities.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_05: You know what?
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_05: That's the point, right?
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_05: Access them and uh and have at it.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_05: All right, that are it for me.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_05: I I I'm fun everything I've got.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_05: So um anything we need to remind folks of or no, keep an eye on the website.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: We'll have a contest up soon.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we got a bunch of clips from the year.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: We're almost done filming season 41.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: One trip coming up.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: So you're gonna see a bunch of stuff coming up there.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's crazy to think because we spent so much time promoting season 40, but season 41 is a few months away from airing now, which is pretty crazy.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, we're we're closer to the start of season 41 than we are to the start of season 40.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_04: Much closer.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_04: Much closer.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_02: What were you gonna say?
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna challenge you on this last trip.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_05: On this last trip, I'm gonna challenge you.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_05: I'm going to challenge you to find a shoreline fishing opportunity on this coming shoot.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: I already can I envision it right now.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_05: Have you got it?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: Cigar gone.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting back there.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna bring a box of those atabes with us.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_05: All right, that's it, folks.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, thank you very much for joining us on behalf of the entire team.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, he's Peter Bowman.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that's Nick D.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, Mr.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_05: Dean Taylor.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_05: I'm Bowman.
• 1:00:41
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