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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her Radio. Welcome to another episode of the Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous Podcast ashe and I cannot be more excited to
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  Speaker 1: be talking to you on week two of Matt James
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  Speaker 1: season of The Bachelor. Ashley, what's up? Hi? Ben? Not much?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have a lot to say about this episode,
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  Speaker 1: mostly about Victoria. Of all I have to talk about
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  Speaker 1: today's Victoria. It's a lot, isn't it. Well, Hey, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna break down this week's episode in just a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Before we do, we do have some incredible guests today.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Bandy and Luke Pell are coming on here in
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  Speaker 1: just a second. Chris Bandy is a country singer. Luke
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  Speaker 1: Pell was in his music video. We gotta figure out
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  Speaker 1: what in the heck how did Luke Pell getting a
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  Speaker 1: country music video? And Luke Pell is a country singer.
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  Speaker 1: And also later on in the podcast, we're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: Bennett Jordan's on as well as somebody I'm super pumped
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  Speaker 1: to talk to and I know Bachelor Nation uh is
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  Speaker 1: falling in love with this person via social media. Susannah
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor Analyst. Now you might have seen her recently
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  Speaker 1: with her Bachelor Instagram kind of breaking down all the
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  Speaker 1: data from the seasons and talking about who gets more followers,
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  Speaker 1: who's spending more time on air, who's not whatever. It's
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  Speaker 1: super interesting and actually I know you and I are
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  Speaker 1: both fans of her. Yeah, it's gonna be really cool
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  Speaker 1: to get her insights from this season, Like she has
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  Speaker 1: real data, Guys, Like I'm looking at a chart right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's like forty two point four percent of the screen
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  Speaker 1: time is given to white contestants, eight percent is given
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  Speaker 1: to non contestants, So like the lead and Chris Harrison,
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  Speaker 1: so very interesting stuff like that. It's Uh, it's a
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  Speaker 1: super interesting concept she came up with. I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: about it until tatious season, so maybe it existed before.
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  Speaker 1: And but we're gonna talk to her. We're also gonna
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  Speaker 1: break down the episode. It's an action packed almost podcast,
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  Speaker 1: uh Ashley before we get into our very first interview.
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  Speaker 1: As we mentioned last week, and we're gonna mention again
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  Speaker 1: if you go to my fan threads dot com slash
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  Speaker 1: up our podcast merchandise. It would be a huge help
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  Speaker 1: to us and just I think it's good stuff it is.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you guys for supporting the show. We do so
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  Speaker 1: by buying some merch ay. Our very first guest of
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  Speaker 1: this podcast is somebody that we have been intrigued by,
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  Speaker 1: confused by. Uh. We've been a huge fan of and
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  Speaker 1: at times questioned uh. Which is why it's so great
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  Speaker 1: to have him on this podcast because now we get
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  Speaker 1: to ask him these questions in person, can hear his answers, and,
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  Speaker 1: like we always say, once you hear somebody's store worry,
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  Speaker 1: it's really hard not to like him. Well, Bennett, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Almost Fame his podcast. Thank you, Thank you guys
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  Speaker 1: for having me to be here. How'd going good? Really good?
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  Speaker 1: Look what I'm wearing on your behalf? That a girl?
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  Speaker 1: I love it? I love it? Stand cozy good good
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  Speaker 1: so um Bennett the way that Ben introduced you was
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  Speaker 1: so perfect. We like, we loved you. We were confused
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  Speaker 1: by you. We're like, what's he thinking? Sometimes? We were
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  Speaker 1: always entertained by you. How did how did you come
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  Speaker 1: home from filming The Bachelorette and think you're gonna look
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  Speaker 1: versus how you did come across? You know, I knew
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  Speaker 1: they excuse me. I knew that I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: put through the ringer there at the end um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I had some ups and downs. I knew it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a bit compromising. I didn't know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to the extent um the beginning of the journey,
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  Speaker 1: how things would kind of shake out with you know,
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  Speaker 1: scene with themar doing the chateau, you know, be a
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  Speaker 1: tour um or the roast or anything like that. So
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have many expectations, but I knew that I
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  Speaker 1: knew what I put out there. I was very confident
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  Speaker 1: in it, and I knew that the ending was going
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  Speaker 1: to be highly dramatic um and I was hoping that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after we went sort of full circle at
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  Speaker 1: the very end, I'd be left in a good light
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully people would be a little bit maybe confused
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  Speaker 1: or you know, thinking into me a bit more and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully understanding that I was coming from a good place. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite parts of this last season.
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  Speaker 1: I love the season was the tour with the mar
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  Speaker 1: I think that was hilarious. I think it was you know,
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  Speaker 1: it really was the time where it was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but here here's my question for you. I was on
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  Speaker 1: the side of this whole thing being, Hey, he isn't
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  Speaker 1: putting on a character. This is who been it is? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: And then that scene are and I'm like, Okay, he's
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  Speaker 1: playing this up a little bit, like he knows what
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  Speaker 1: he's he's he knows what he's walking into. He's a
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  Speaker 1: Harvard guy. Uh, you know he's he's fine dressed. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna play Is he playing into this character or not?
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  Speaker 1: And then I never quite figured out if it was
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  Speaker 1: a character or if this is who you are? And
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  Speaker 1: so if if like we were sitting down across from
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  Speaker 1: each other, I would ask you this question like who
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  Speaker 1: are you, Bennett, Like, are you that guy? Or was
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  Speaker 1: this just you following along with what the show wanted.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a great question, Ben, I think, um,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit of a combination. But for
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  Speaker 1: the most part. You know, it's me. Um. I think
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  Speaker 1: when I was given a massive, you know room compared
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  Speaker 1: to the other guys, I started scratching my head a little.
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  Speaker 1: I seems a little bit odd. It seemed a little
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  Speaker 1: bit off. Um. You know, a number of the guys
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  Speaker 1: I thought I was a producer for a few weeks
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  Speaker 1: and thought I was kind of on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: So that was that was a strange one. What's yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Um so, um that was. That was a funny one
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  Speaker 1: to me when they, you know, a couple of guys
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  Speaker 1: told me that, but base sickally. Um, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: took it in stride. I kind of realized what I
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  Speaker 1: put out there the first, you know, perceptions of me
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  Speaker 1: being a well dressed guy, New York guy, Harvard guy,
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  Speaker 1: and um, you know, as I said, I think those
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  Speaker 1: those are all kind of pretty hateable characters for America,
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  Speaker 1: characteristics for for America right off the bat. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of want to poke holes and that guy
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  Speaker 1: and figure out, you know, what's what's wrong with them. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought that, you know, given that I had
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  Speaker 1: the kind of big room in the chateau, out of
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  Speaker 1: the gates, I knew I was gonna be fighting against
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  Speaker 1: that to try to let my you know, true colors
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  Speaker 1: and personality and you know heart really above all else
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  Speaker 1: shine through at the end. Um. So that that was
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  Speaker 1: that was the challenge was kind of set forth with
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  Speaker 1: me knowing that you know, who wouldn't be jealous of
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  Speaker 1: a guy that's given a massive room? Um? And and
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  Speaker 1: you know so so um that that was really the
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  Speaker 1: biggest I guess hurdle. Um. But you know, Ben, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the majority of it is me. I think you know,
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  Speaker 1: I I'm very well aware and assure of myself and
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  Speaker 1: know how I carry myself. I know how that can
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  Speaker 1: come across and sometimes you have to play that down
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and hopefully you know, joke joke along
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  Speaker 1: with everyone and get you know, on their good side.
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  Speaker 1: But I know what first impressions are like, Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's nothing new. I'm very used to it. Yeah. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So how big was your room? Like? How what was
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  Speaker 1: a living situation like in this in this place? Because
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  Speaker 1: normally we are used to like having to bunk in
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  Speaker 1: a room with like twelve people. You had your own
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  Speaker 1: room and it was bigger than everybody else's. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I had in my own room. Um, I had a
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  Speaker 1: living area with a couple of couches and a fireplace.
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  Speaker 1: I had a kitchen. Um, I had a half bath,
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  Speaker 1: I had a full bath. I had a fireplace in
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  Speaker 1: the in the bathroom that was also in my bedroom
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  Speaker 1: at a kingsize bed. And then I had a hot
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  Speaker 1: tub and a pool all to myself. Um so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my my, My mornings you know are pretty great. I'd
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  Speaker 1: wake up super early, um, you know, try to get
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  Speaker 1: out and you know, it's obviously very hot in the desert,
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  Speaker 1: get a little yoga and get a little dip in
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  Speaker 1: the pool, make a green juice, and go get breakfast.
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  Speaker 1: Before you know, most the other guys were already up,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Even so what was their living situations? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if if yours was like that, give the
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  Speaker 1: comparison to what they I mean, no wonder they're a
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  Speaker 1: little jealous. Yeah, exactly. Now, the other guy's rooms were generally, um,
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  Speaker 1: a typical hotel room, and most of them had roommates.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like a double bed where you could reach
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  Speaker 1: across and hold your roommate's hand while sleeping if you
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to. Um so, you know, needless to say,
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  Speaker 1: there's plenty of reasons for people to be jealous or like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, why is this guy getting special treatment and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Interesting. Interesting, Okay, So one of the
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  Speaker 1: most mind boggling moments for us as viewers was that
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  Speaker 1: you came back after you were eliminated and Taitia was
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  Speaker 1: not ready to let you go and she had you
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  Speaker 1: come to the Rose ceremony. But the base on the
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  Speaker 1: way that you left her. Initially, I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of us were like, Okay, yeah, he's gone, right and
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't care, but she apparently cared. You guys had
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  Speaker 1: something that was stronger than what we saw. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that there are a lot of moments of significance
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  Speaker 1: that were not shown? Yeah. I mean I don't want to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, talk too much about behind the scenes things
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  Speaker 1: I can't write, but um, there were definitely some really
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  Speaker 1: really heartfelt moments there. I think we had a really
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  Speaker 1: special moment. Um resaw snippets of it. We were talking
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  Speaker 1: about her prior relationships, uh, you know, my engagement, her marriage, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I think some of the guys that
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  Speaker 1: you know went even further than me down to the
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  Speaker 1: very end there didn't even know that she had been
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  Speaker 1: you know, engaged. UM, and I'm talking like you know,
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  Speaker 1: final four guys going into the Final four didn't didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize that. UM. So you know, certainly had some very impactful,
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  Speaker 1: heartfelt moments. I think I speckled a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: alluding to you know, my background, my childhood, my upbringing
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  Speaker 1: and all those things. You know, Like in that art scene,
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know, the furthest thing I've come from
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  Speaker 1: is you know, privileged background and just trying to speckle
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  Speaker 1: things along the way as much as you can so
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  Speaker 1: you can hopefully be awarded that one on one time
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  Speaker 1: that's really required to um, you know, get your full
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  Speaker 1: story out there. Unfortunately, it was kind of a little
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  Speaker 1: bit short and so it didn't get to get you know,
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  Speaker 1: that full spectrum you know, and our hometowns or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. UM, but you know that there was definitely
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  Speaker 1: a lot of heartfelt moments there, and you know I
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  Speaker 1: had very very very real feelings you know, flirtation. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: to follow up questions, and I'll start with this one, UM,
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  Speaker 1: what was your upbring legs? I don't think we got
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  Speaker 1: into it. Uh. When you when you sprinkle that in
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  Speaker 1: and you're hoping to tell more of it. What what
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  Speaker 1: would you have told Tasha. I mean, obviously you know,
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  Speaker 1: getting to uh, you know, introduce your family as one thing.
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  Speaker 1: But um, I think what you know, it meets the eye,
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  Speaker 1: like those first impressions that we were talking about earlier
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  Speaker 1: here in the interview, right. Um, you know, successful Harvard,
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  Speaker 1: New York print, you know, privileged, you know, rich guy.
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  Speaker 1: And that's certainly you know, not me. I came from
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  Speaker 1: a very very modest background. Um, growing up in suburb
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  Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Um. You know, my family did very much
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  Speaker 1: value education and I'm lucky that, you know. My mom
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  Speaker 1: and my dad were big on that and put me
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  Speaker 1: through private school and such. But I was always on
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  Speaker 1: extreme extreme financial aid, um, you know, and and it
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  Speaker 1: was a situation where, you know, times were tough, money
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  Speaker 1: was tight, you know, growing up. You know, I remember
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  Speaker 1: times when um, you know, as a kid, I went
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  Speaker 1: to public school through fifth grade, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: remember counting pennies to try to roll up you know,
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  Speaker 1: a dollar because that's what it cost for public school lunch.
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  Speaker 1: You know, back in the day it was a buck.
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  Speaker 1: And you know there was mornings when I had to
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  Speaker 1: do that. Um, you know, my dad was actually homeless
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  Speaker 1: during the time that I was at Harvard. Not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of kids that I went to school with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at homeless fathers, you know, as you might imagine. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, there's what meets the eye, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's kind of you know, what's deep down here, and
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  Speaker 1: there's a whole heck of a lot that makes me
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  Speaker 1: who I am today, and that makes me as confident
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  Speaker 1: as I am and who I am and what I'm
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  Speaker 1: putting out there because I know my heart and was
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  Speaker 1: you know a little bit unfortunate that it was cut
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  Speaker 1: short and tissue didn't get to get that full spectrum,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, it is what it is. So one
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  Speaker 1: of the moments that I think most confused us or
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  Speaker 1: maybe made you into a character we couldn't understand. So
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  Speaker 1: you have this story, and I appreciate, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: sharing your background. Um, but it was the Noah Gifting
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  Speaker 1: side of things, right, This is a moment that I
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  Speaker 1: think it was the lead up. We're watching it, We're going, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna be something nice. This is going to
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  Speaker 1: kind of calm the waters. They're gonna be able to
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  Speaker 1: move through this, and obviously did not do that it
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  Speaker 1: became a story that lasted longer. What was your intention
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  Speaker 1: with doing that? Because I'll be honest, if I was
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  Speaker 1: sitting in noah C I would have been offended. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I would have been thrown off. I would have been confused.
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  Speaker 1: It would have felt like a good gift. So what
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  Speaker 1: were you hoping to get out of it? Yeah? Um,
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  Speaker 1: so you know twofold Um Noah. As we were kind
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  Speaker 1: of leading up to that moment, Um, you know, Noah
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  Speaker 1: was the one that told, well, actually, tension, idn't take
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  Speaker 1: that back. Tissie was the one that said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the bottom of this tension with
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  Speaker 1: you guys. Um. I was kind of confused at that
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  Speaker 1: point because aside from a few you know comments here
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  Speaker 1: and there, I never really felt tension. I had plenty
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  Speaker 1: of tension, you know, growing up um in in a
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  Speaker 1: sort of household with an abusive you know father. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I know tension and uh. Any comments back and forth
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  Speaker 1: between Noah and I certainly um didn't really amount to
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  Speaker 1: tension in my mind, and so not you know, going
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  Speaker 1: into it, I was kind of curious as to what,
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  Speaker 1: you know, his beef was because he had also said
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  Speaker 1: repeatedly the same night that said the teacher said she's
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  Speaker 1: gonna get to the bottom of the U m hm No,
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  Speaker 1: had said, Um, you know, I think you're cool. I
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  Speaker 1: think you're smart. I think you're a good guy. UM,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you're funny. Um. And so you know,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of add those things up and and it
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  Speaker 1: left me questioning, what what what actually is going on here?
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  Speaker 1: What is you know this? Uh, you know tension. You
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  Speaker 1: don't say that you think someone's funny and cool and
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  Speaker 1: smart if you have you know, beef in tension with them,
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  Speaker 1: generally speaking. So when I made the gift, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was certainly a parting gift. I thought the parting
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  Speaker 1: was probably gonna go a different way than it did. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But the idea was to give him, you know, three
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  Speaker 1: things um. One UM, something that you know showed that
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  Speaker 1: I was funny, because he said that I was funny too, UM.
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  Speaker 1: Something that showed that I was a good guy, that
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  Speaker 1: I had no actual be for you know, tension with
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  Speaker 1: him and wanted to be you know friends when we
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  Speaker 1: get out of here. Um. And then three um, this
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  Speaker 1: is something that you know means a lot to me.
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  Speaker 1: The emotional intelligence piece and obviously the one that came
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  Speaker 1: off as being you know, condescending. I think probably all
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  Speaker 1: of them ended up office contestanting. But um, the one
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  Speaker 1: that was more impactful was the book, and that was
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  Speaker 1: coming from a place where, you know, I've got a
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  Speaker 1: younger brother who's twelve years my junior, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Noah's eleven years my junior. So it's a pretty easy
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  Speaker 1: you know comparison there. And I don't think, you know, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: to me, I think age is a bit more than
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  Speaker 1: a number. I think ages, you know, the some of
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  Speaker 1: your experience and your life experience is as you know,
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  Speaker 1: you mature as a person, you gain emotional intelligence hopefully
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  Speaker 1: knock on wood, you know, over time. But it was
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  Speaker 1: a book that I had read, you know a number
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  Speaker 1: of times and had sort of thought about it going
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  Speaker 1: into the journey, and then was reflecting on it as
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  Speaker 1: I was coming into this you know, two on one
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  Speaker 1: with Noah, and I had all of these different instances
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  Speaker 1: and how you know, he had acted in various stages
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  Speaker 1: of the journey and how I had acted, um, and
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  Speaker 1: I simply you know, wanted to kind of give him
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  Speaker 1: that comparison and leave it as a bit of a teaching,
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  Speaker 1: you know, learning moment and hopefully it would dissolve the
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  Speaker 1: tension you know, at the same time, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: uh from a tertiary benefit from my standpoint, make it
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  Speaker 1: very glaringly obvious to Tasia, who you know, the person
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: is that she shouldn't keep around. But unfortunate it went
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: the other way. Now, in hindsight, do you regret the gift?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think it would have changed things? You know,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I don't because I know that it was me being true,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: it was coming from a genuine place. Um. You know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I did think it would be, you know, some good entertainment.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I also thought it would be a genuine way, genuine
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: way to deliver something I care a lot about. Um,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I guess you know, the the kind of regret and
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: thinking back on it, maybe I should have just gone
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: up to Tasia and said, hey, Taitsia, if you really
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: want to be with Noah, then you definitely don't want
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: to be with a man like me. I totally understand that.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to walk out here right now and just
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: left the honest, you know, totally on her, because I
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: think that could have been another mic drop moment where
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: it's just like that would have left the audience thinking,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: why did you know Tassia pick No over Bennett? And
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: then I wouldn't have had this pole sort of spiel
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: leading people to be able to point their finger at
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: me and say that I'm condescending, But you know, it
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: really doesn't bother me. I know how I you know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: put things out there and I know where it's coming from.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: So is what it is? You came back after being
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: eliminated in that moment and told Tasha that you you
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: were in love with her once you left the Bachelor Bubble?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Did you reassess that statement? Um, so you're referring to
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: when I left for the second time, right when I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: was fully gone, when you would just when you said
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I love you? Yes? Yes, yes? Did you reassess it?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, when you exited the Bachelor Bubble and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you're like we're on the plane home and you're like, uh,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: now that I'm removed a little bit, I don't know
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: if I know, you know in that moment, in that moment,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I absolutely you know felt that way. I think, um,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: any of us who have used the L word throughout
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: our lives at different different stages, at different times, in
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: different places, you know, it means different things, and you
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: have various levels of emotions at this point. You know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: in my life, I have a sense and a feeling
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: for that. I was completely all in. I could really
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: envision tation I ending up together. And you know, there
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: was the moment there, um, after we had talked about,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you know, our prior relationships where I felt like I
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: was ginning to fall in love with her, didn't get
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the chance to really you know, deliver that. I think
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I had it, you know, said it in an interview,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: but M kind of you know, fast forwarding a little
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: bit and going through the things that I went through
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and the first point of go in and coming back,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I'd really had time to reflect and dig into my
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: thoughts and my feelings and emotions, and I wanted to
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you know, put that out there. Um. That is how
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I felt, you know, at that time. But it obviously
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: your ride on this whole show has been crazy. You're
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: a character that we're going to talk about for a
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: long time to come. Uh. You've made a name for yourself.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: So as we look into the future, will you still
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: continue to have involved with with the franchise? And if
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: we ask, if somebody asks you to Paradise, would you
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: say yes? Oh man, Um, you know, Paradise is uh,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you know one thing I'm not certain on that. I
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: love the franchise, I love the experience. I would you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: do it all over again, you know tomorrow. Um. I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: think it's really gonna come down to both a personal
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and business you know sort of decision for me if
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it's the time that Paradise is coming around where where
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I'm at, uh, you know, in the year where I'm at, um,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you know, emotionally, relationship wise, all of those things. Um,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you know right now, I I don't think that I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: would do it. I'm not saying that for any reason
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: other than I just have a lot of work to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: do this year and a lot of things that I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: looking to accomplish. Um. But you know, I'll never say never.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And you know I also so just kind of want
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to reflect on whether or not Paradise is the best
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: place for me to go um and find Loff. Well,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I can tell you one thing. If you do go
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and you get a fancier room there, it's gonna go
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: down because that is some that's an upgrade that people
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: will just not be Okay, Well, it's not gonna be funny.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think that's gonna work in Paradise.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe you'll get a shatto to himself. I was thinking
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: maybe a yacht that just parked out the ocean and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: then like you could have people take dinghies over to
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: me or something like that. Maybe that would work out.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That might be a good way to do the chateau.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, that would be freaking hilarious. Now you're already
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: putting creative ideas into the producer's minds. Let you go.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Hopefully they already got some things turning. But you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I just really, you know, paradise wise, it's it's a flattering,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: you know, consideration, and um, you know, I'll continue to
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: think about it, and I'm totally open to it. I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: not saying no, but you know, just something that's kind
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of going through my mind with everything else, you know
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: in the world. Well, before we let you go, I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: just gotta ask, have you been on a date since
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: appearing on the show, and was it with Andy Dorfman? No? No, No,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Andy Dorfman. Um, you know, I've been on a couple
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: of dates and you know that they've they've been all right,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: nothing exceptional. Nothing repeated. Um, you know, I've had a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: couple of one offs and that's about it. Okay, at
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: least you're out there, buddy. Hey Bennett, thanks for coming
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: on again. Um you were great, uh content for our podcast.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: We talked about you a ton. Thank you for joining
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: us today. Wish you the best. And uh, I think Ashton,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I've said it for weeks now, even in the midst
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of the most confusion about you is we hope to
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: see on paradise. Uh. We we hope to see there.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And you know what, if you do pull up in
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a yacht, I'm not gonna blame you. I cannot think
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I would not be mad at you at all. I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: would say that guy is doing it right. Thank yay Man,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate it. Guys, thank you for having
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: me on. Have a great one. Well, as we mentioned,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: we're gonna break down this week's episode as we do
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: every week during a season. Uh. This is the second
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: episode of Matt James this season. Uh. We're really starting
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to get to know the contestants a little more. However,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: nothing this episode to me was shocking. Ashley. I want
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to hear if you have the same opinion, and I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: say that because I think what we saw a night
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: one felt like a good sense of what we got
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: on week two. Ashley, I know you have some strong
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: feelings about this episode take it away, but yes, yes,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that we saw a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: lot of the same faces get screen time this episode
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: as we did last week. Like the girls that we
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: expected to see growth with we got. Uh. When I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: say that, I specifically mean Brie and Sarah. They both
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: had great one on ones this week, really meaningful conversations.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: But as far as things that are shocking goes, I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: have to disagree because I think that Victoria, her whole
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: being is shocking to me, but it wasn't but it
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: was expected. I'm not shocked. It was expected. Okay, it
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: was expected, you're right, But her as a human being
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to me is beyond Like I was watching that this
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: thinking like is she an actress? Because normally you see
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the villains, and you know, you guys, when we use
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the term villain, like the controversial character, because oftentimes villains
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: are very kind hearted and they they're different than what
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: we see on TV. But with controversial characters, we see
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: them like give a sly smile, laugh at themselves, be
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: cracking jokes to have a sense of self awareness. We
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: see them like almost enjoy egging people on. I think
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that with Victoria, this is her natural, constant state of being.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: In every grade of school Shiver went through, and every
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: friend group she's ever maybe had, she has the kind
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of personality that I don't know how she can keep
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a friend. As horrible as that is to say, she's
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: just the alt She's just a nuisance, and she's so
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: reactive to everything. Everything is offensive, everything is rude, everything
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: sets her off, and everything is the hugest deal. Ever,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: how do you feel? Yeah, well, here's my take. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it's the very first time I've ever watched a season.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And you know this, and people who have listened to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the podcast know this. I'm never one to say that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: this thing is scripted, like ever, like I've been in
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it for too long. I would have known by now,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like it's never been scripted. And after the first episode,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I I told you, Ashley, Uh, well this seems weird.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: This is the very first time I'm watching this character
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: on television. I'm going was it placed? Like? Because this
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: feels like a lot and typically like you might not
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: be there, be there to make friends but you're there
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to at least try to like get along and not
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: start stuff out of nowhere. And it takes a few
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: weeks for people to kind of understand each other and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: get annoyed by each other. This is fiery right away.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: But here's what I where I want to switch a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: conversation to. This season has so many great characters, so
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: many great stories, so many important people that like are
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: just really incredible humans, and I don't want this to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: fall into what we've seen for the last few seasons,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, the controversial characters take up
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the first four weeks of the show. It's not fun,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: but it's not fun for me to watch. Maybe it's
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: fun for the viewer, maybe that it is entertaining. Maybe
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that's what you want to see. But I feel like this,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: out of any season, has so many great storylines to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: it that we don't need it, Like we don't need
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the controversial characters right now. And I don't want to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: be I don't want to sit at my TV and
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: feel judge the whole time because I'm like, why are
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you getting mad? This is ridiculous, This is annoying, Like
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have that, like reaction. I want
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to sit there and enjoy what's going on. At least
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: usually when we get the four weeks of controversial characters,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: they're entertaining to some degree, we kind of love to
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: hate watch them. I noticed that this last week. But like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: there's nothing I love about watching her. It's it's getting hard.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: A Week two was at times confusing. It's definitely going
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to be a storyline, uh, at least for a few weeks.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I would imagine, like, I don't know if Matt's caught
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: on yet. I think he's confused. But I think he's confused.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Let's let's just like skip up. Let's just concentrate on
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Victoria and that whole Victoria Maryland storyline for a second,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and then we'll go on to the good parts of
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the episode. I think that that could be his only
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: downfall as far as not having experience in the franchise,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Like he's not seeing this situation clearly. I have no
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: idea why he seems to be taking Victoria's word more
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: than the very sane seeming Maryland. Well. I think at
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: least the first couple of weeks. You're right, I do
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: think his experience plays into it. He's not used to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the drama in the house. He doesn't know how these
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: things usually go right. If you're in the house, you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: see people start to disagree and argue and and you're
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: usually like a little more tuned to that. He doesn't
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: have that, and so if he doesn't have that, then
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you have this sit down. It's the very first time
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that he's been really confronted with anything controversial yet, which
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: week two is really early to be kind of, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: confronted with anything controversial. And so now I bet his
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: mind I'm assuming here, but I bet his mind goes
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to a place of intrigue, of curiosity of what's going
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: on and how do I do this well? Because, as
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: we've said it every season, the mark of a good
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: back to their Bachelor is not if they're likable or
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: not right, they're gonna be likable, it's how do they
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: handle controversial and difficult situations. So he's now because we
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: he and I talked about before the season, like I'm
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: sure in the back of his head and he's probably
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: not listening to me at this point. He's just doing
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: what he does best. But it's like I've been in
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the back of his head. He's going how do I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: handle this well. I don't want to mess up right away.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: This feels like a big issue. How do I do
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: this and make sure that this doesn't ruin the show?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I guess my experience, my natural instinct, if I even
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: had not been part of the show before, would be
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: let me talk to some other people about how they
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: view these two characters. But that gets dangerous actually, and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: we've seen leads do that in the past. And when
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you bring in the mob, and you bring in the group,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, there becomes like somebody that
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: is vilified, maybe for the wrong reasons. Maybe people don't
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: have to have something out to get her, And like,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you want to keep this as closed as you can
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't spread out amongst the whole group, that
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: it doesn't become a controversy months the whole group, because
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you want to keep your drama isolated. If you can
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: as a lead and handle it there, confront it there now,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: if you later on need to move to the group,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you can. But I wouldn't recommend going out and being like, hey,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you know these two girls like and you don't want
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to talk about other girls with other girls. I mean,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I get it, but also Matt, Just like, based on
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: just sitting down with the two of them, which one
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: do you think is being is more dramatic? Like, it's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: just very obvious to me that the drama queen who's
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: maybe a little off putting, maybe a little bit too
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: much in certain circumstances like just like kissing you and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: grabbing you all the time and having a broad strap
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: show at a formal event. You're just like, which one
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: is maybe a little bit more off in this situation?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure he's starting to become a tune to it, right,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: He's starting to ask arounded producers, Hey, what's going on here?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Give me something like give me some site, And they're
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: gonna start like they're not gonna tell him, but they're
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: gonna start like helping him. He's gonna start asking the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: right questions, I think now, like you see a week two,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: he's gonna start asking the right questions now. But here's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: always the thing to remember, we can't forget this is
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you and I and every other viewer gets to watch
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the show and see everything go down, Like we see
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the issues in the house, we see the conversations in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the house, we see the arguments in the drama in
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the house. Matt doesn't see that. He he hasn't experience yet.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: He's getting small snippets of that, and as he starts
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to become more tuned to it, more knowledgeable, we're gonna
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: see him I think, start to go, wait, this isn't okay,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Like this needs to stop. Or maybe he's into it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: We don't know yet. Maybe he's into victorious nuttiness. Maybe
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: we don't know yet, like what if this? I mean, hey,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: we we we never know how this thing can play out.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I've been more shocked in my life, uh, watching this show.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: But like, we don't know yet what Matt's into. We're
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: just gonna need to know him as well. I just
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: have to say, like, my heart goes out to to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Maryland for having to have to room with her, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: if she gets eliminated because of her, like, man, does
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that girl deserve a spot in paradise? Like give it
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to her now. I'm sure she's gonna get it. It's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: just you know, it's similar to uh, what's his face?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I forget his name at this point, but the guy
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: uh from it was on Clear season night one when
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: he confronted Joseph and then he was sent home. Um,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: you know that same guy has a very similar storyline.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: He's going, Hey, something's wrong here. This isn't okay, this
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: guy isn't who he said he is. I want to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: bring this to your tension on night one so that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: like this can be stopped. And he's the one that
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: goes home. Joseph stays and we forgot about him and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: he got the wrong in the deal. So maybe the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: two of them can go up to paradise. Ashley, let's
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: skip now to the one on one day, the very
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: first one on one of the season. It's a big deal. Uh.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to our Bachelor data analysis analysts here
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: in a little bit about how important the one on
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: one is. But Ashley, you know, Bree was one of
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: your favorites after last week. UM, so I'm sure you're
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: pumped to see her here go on the state. It
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: definitely put her on my top four. She's definitely staying
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: in my top four. Uh. They go on a TV rides.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It was very cute, very authentic feeling because he well
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: turned the car over and that was really scary and
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I audibly gasped. But at least they had something to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: kind of laugh about and break the tension and like,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: no awkward moments after you experienced something like that together. Um,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: maybe they joked about a little bit too much, but
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: then I was gonna say, you can tell. I was
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: gonna say, that's like the first thing. And I mean,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you expect it. I think people are gonna like find
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it endearing. But it's like the very first time that
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you see, Oh, Matt hasn't done this before, Like he's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: not he doesn't understand yet that he's gonna have to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: have a jillion conversations he really. I mean, here's the secret.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: You just gotta ask a lot of questions. Like you're
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: not gonna have something to say about everything because you
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: have you know, twenty conversations a day, So ask a
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: lot of like questions to your to your date. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: at this point, we we we saw I think for
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the first time. I was watching it, Jessica was watching it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: We're like, Okay, they've brought this up a lot, like
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: this feels like the space filler we don't need. Yeah,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And I couldn't believe that they kept showing it. I
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: was like, Wow, they keep showing it. This must really
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: be all that they're talking about, right, now. But they
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: finally get over that hump when they sit down to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: dinner and they talk about their relationships with their dads
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and how in in the family that they wish to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: develop in their futures. They want very present dads. They
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: want to have a close family unit to call their own.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: It was definitely something that they bonded over last week
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and continue to do this week. Uh, I love I
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like it. They're on the same page. She's really pretty,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: very sweet. He's very sweet. I I did I feel it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: She gets the rose. I mean, you know, Bree and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Matt once they got over the whole like, hey, we
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: fell off and I'm sorry for you. Like talk, you
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: know that ended. We did get to see them both
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: open up. And the cool thing is, like, you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Brie really shares horse her story and it's one where
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: her mom was pregnant and Brie is a fantastic human,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Like how incredible is this story to really like think
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: about I thought about it a lot, to be honest,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: It was like I had to press pause and just
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: let that soak in. The mom was like she was
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: thirteen and she had a baby, and she grew up.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It looks like she she turned out a beautiful human
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and it's easy to think that her mom now is
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: thirty seven and her mom is starting another cycle of
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: her life again. You know, she's I think she's engaged
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: something crazy. Here's something that I thought about. Her mom
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: could have been the Bachelor ATTE, could still be the
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Bachelor ATTE and she, like, I mean, think about it,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Claire was older than her mom is younger than Claire is,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, and that's like super impressive. Like this whole
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: thing is something to be like, what an incredible mother
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: she has? What incredible like like story that is and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Breeze awesome, but like that puts things into perspective where
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: like her mom is like kind of at the age
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: where you could go on the show. I don't know
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: for mom's single or what. But she's engaged and having
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a new baby. Oh well that's huge. Well that's massive.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Celebrate that she's not gonna come on the show. She's
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: doing her own thing now. Well, Ashley, as we see
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this day kind of play out, we obviously, you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: love bree and we think she's gonna be around a
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: long time. She's incredible, she gets the rows. Uh. We've
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: already spoken about the Victoria drama that just kind of
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: keeps popping up um throughout this day and throughout the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: first part of this episode, and really throughout the whole episode.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: But we then moved into Matt's very first group date
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: with Victoria being on it. Now, Ashley, I think you
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna say, but I'm I'm not a fan.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of the show. I like what they
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I like a lot of the show. I'm never a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: fan of the whole wedding stuff and I think they've
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: overplayed it, and I just don't love the idea of
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: these wedding picture things. I think the photographer is great.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I think he's fun, but like, we gotta stop it,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like it's every season now. I know it's so weird.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, we saw this four weeks ago. Yeah. Crazy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, you guys, you're creative. You come up with
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff. I know that it's limiting
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: now that you're shooting in one spot, but the wedding
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: dress thing has got to go stop. Like it's a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: special time to put a wedding dress on, don't you know.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Don't just make it like it's nothing. It's and it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: just a little awkward, right especially on the first group day,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: like Matt standing there, um, and and one other thing
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that I'm and I feel like a critic right now,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and I don't. I do mean to be. I guess,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: um is it's never great to set the bachelor or
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the lead up to have to kiss other contestants in
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: front of the other contestants. It's not it's just not right.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: It's awkward. It's it's not good for the heart. Like
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you know, once you see it, you're never gonna get
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: like really it out of your mind kind of um.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: And I know it's playful and it's fun and whatever,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: but like the whole concept of that was like just
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: not fun for me to watch. It wasn't I didn't
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: get anything out of it for me, particularly it's the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: first kiss. I'm like, why would you waste your first
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: kiss girls? Because he wasn't going in for any of
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: these kisses in front of people, like when you're basically
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: throwing yourself at him, like wait for a moment that builds.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: It's so this wasn't my favorite day, but it kind
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: of turned into something fun. It felt though, like this
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: day and I love it. Um. It became chaos, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I think like the show did a good job at
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: showing us it, but I'm sure like if you were
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: on that day, that whole like obstacle course like thing
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that they were doing in the way A dresses, it
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: became just kind of a mess. Like I don't think
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: it made any sense, and so you just have a
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: bunch of people running around trying to get this heart.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Finally somebody wins and it like closed the deal. But
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I think watching it was just probably confusing to be there. No,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: there's no rules. And and Paul, he was asleep at
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the couch. Paul, he is a stage manager who's been
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: playing a bigger role as seasons go on. Uh, he
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: was the ref here, very very sweet man. He also
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: makes you very nervous because you oftentimes as part of
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the cast, only see him during rows ceremonies. But he's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: so so sweet anyway, Um, yeah, I I just kind
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: of want to reiterate what you just said. I think
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: that these types of battle dates never do anything for me.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: They don't tell you much about somebody's personality and nine
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: days out, um, but then of course whose team goes
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: on to get the nighttime portion of the dates? It's
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Victoria's and Victoria was devastated that she didn't get the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: group date rose, but for all of us, why ching,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it was obvious that was going to go to Lauren. Uh.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Lauren and Matt had a great conversation. She said that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the reason that her parents have been together in such
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a happy, long marriage is because the Church God has
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: always been first and foremost in their relationship. And that's
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: basically like, that is the kind of relationship that I want,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: but I never talk about it with other women, So
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a really big deal. I thought
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: also thought they had pretty cute flirty banter when they
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: were talking about Wake Force versus North Carolina. Yeah, it was.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It was a cool moment because you know, you're weak two.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You don't know these women very well. Matt's probably super
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: still because they're beautiful, but you're still like unconvinced a
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: little bit that there's somebody there actually for you. So
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: he has somebody sit down across him and say the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: things that he's always dreamed of hearing in a partner,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and he's taken back, like he's like almost speechless in
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: his response if there was one, because I think he's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: just like holy call, Like I've got an amazing group
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: of beautiful, incredible kind women. Uh, and you see that
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: kind of play with Lauren throughout this group day. She
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: does get the group day Rose not surprising, which leads
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: us into the next one on one. Sarah gets the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: one on one. I'm a big fan of Sarah. I
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: think she has uh she's gonna go along ways. I
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: don't know if she's one from Matt, but I think, um,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: she she has a big personality. I think she's like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: really into Matt. I think she's a great choice for
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: an early one on one. Uh. But Victoria's you know
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: again we bring her up. She's upset that she doesn't
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: get this one on one. Um, she's upset that she's
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: not getting more time with him. Which, hey, it's week two,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Like we've all got to pause a bit. Uh. But
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Sarah does go on the one on one and they
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: go on a biplane uh, which as I'm watching it, Ashley,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: my palms are sweaty because so scared. I mean, what
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: an incredible way to capture, Like the video footage is amazing,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: but it makes it so like I just get so nervous. Yeah,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: and the foliage is beautiful, But no, I plan on
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: never getting in a plane that small forever. Not my
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: not my jam. I would have been very nervous up there.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I understand that that adrenaline boosting type of date really
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: bonds you quickly, but it's a hard note for me
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: not that of course, though if I was on the Bachelor,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, fine, let's go up there. Um, did
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you ever do anything that you felt very very uncomfortable
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: physically in danger of when you were the Bachelor? No,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I got pretty lucky. Um, there was never any like
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: massive heights, which I just don't love. We ate a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: lot of weird food and that's great with me. I
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: kind of enjoyed that. But yeah, I got lucky. Yeah.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: So Sarah and Matt sit down like a little campfire
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: environment after their plane ride. He could tell that she
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't really opening up about her family, and it was
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: quite obvious to anyone. I think that there was something
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that she was missing out on. So she he encourages
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: her to do so again over dinner, and that's when
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: she talks about her dad living with a l S,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: which is just the most honestly like fear inducing disease
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to me, Like It's just it's just so awful, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I my heart goes out to her and her family
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and her dad, and she is so strong and she's
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: so amazing being a caregiver for her father. You can
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: just feel the strength of their relationship. But you know
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: what was like the most just a great bachelor moment
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to me in all of this was was when he,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you know, mad is like overwhelmed by the fact that
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: she's choosing to be there dating him, and then he said,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: is there anything that I can do to prove that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I am like worthy of being a partner to you?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: M hmm, what a cool question, right, I mean it,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it's it's hard to like equal the playing field, you know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: when you're the bachelor and you have contestants with the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: bachelor and you have contestants, because it kind of typically
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: feels like the contestants are trying to prove themselves to
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the bachelor. Yeah, And one of the coolest things I
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: think any lead can do is kind of level the
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: playing field and saying no, this is about us, like
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: this is our experiences, is our journey, This is not
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: about me having any type of power here. That's about
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: us figuring out if there's love that can exist in
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: this environment between us. You know, obviously, you know we
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: sit here as the audience. We've we got to meet
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Sarah's dad. Uh during you know, the very first episode,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: we kind of saw her family, so we all knew
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: like what was going on. It couldn't be easy for
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: her to talk about. UM. But like this was a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: great moment when Matt responds with this, because I think
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: for her right now, she probably does have her family
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: on her mind right, like there's a lot going on
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: at home, and and she obviously helps out a ton
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: at home, and for her for Matt to say like, hey,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I just want you to be comforted that like you're
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be here as long as I'm interested in you
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and as long as you're interested in me. Uh, I'm
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: not gonna drag you along in this. But I also
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: along the way wants you to know that I I
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: feel I'm putting privileged to be like with you here
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: in this environment. Um, it's just really awesome and uh
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And and this date was like I was a little
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: bit nervous for it when she wasn't saying anything because
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I felt like Matt knew she was holding back and
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and he's not really interested in somebody's gonna hold back,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: like he wants their stories. So I was like, don't
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: let this go, Like, don't don't let like, don't not
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: open up, don't pull a Ben Smith and like have
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: to come back on the show and say, hey, there
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: was actually something that I meant to say, and she
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: says it, and I feel like, you know she because
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of that in mass response, like she rose to one
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: of my favorites. Um, and we'll talk about here here
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: later on after the episode. But what an incredible one
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: on one day. We had some great one on one
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: date to this episode. But that brings us into you
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: kind of the final part of this episode, which is
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the cocktail party, a big storyline, Mayors. We get to
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: see Abigail again, who we've obviously missed this whole episode
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: pretty much. Uh, She's great, and I mean their connections awesome.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: There's a comfort there. Uh you know obviously Matt's intour.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: But we already talked about the Victoria Maryland drama that
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: becomes uh toxic as some level, just like Victoria saying
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Maryland was toxic. Uh, Ashley, do you think this is
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be a big deal? Like do you see Maryland
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: going home from this, Yeah, that's what I'm because if
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: you look at the scenes for the next episode, it
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: looks like the girls are really starting to be like
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Victoria like needs to be gone. And I think that
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: that's the kind of reaction you get when somebody undeservingly
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: goes home so worried about that. Uh. Very interesting that
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: during the rose ceremony the person that gets faint started
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: blacking out is Sarah, who has a rose. Those are
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: incredibly intent moments. I know you guys watch at home
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and it's probably seems like horror line, silly. You know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: you're probably like, this is a show, blah blah blah. No,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: those are like your heart is pounding during those moments.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm surprised we don't get more people who faint
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: more often. And let's not forget this is not a
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: secret anymore with the show. We're not giving anything away
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: that hasn't been given away before. These rose ceremonies are
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: not ten minutes like we watch on TV. They're hours long.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Like there's cameras that drop, there's people that take breaks,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: there's new cameraman that come in, they pick up the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: whole time. The cast is standing there still, and I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: don't know about anybody else. I once passed out and
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: my uncle's wedding, like I think it was. I mean,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: it's had to be over twenty years ago because I
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: was standing up on stage for too long with my
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: knees locked, and all of a sudden, down goes Ben.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: It can happen like, it's not shocking to me because
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you're standing up there for so long. That's it. That's
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: a goofy little guy. But yeah, your heart is pounding,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: your nerves are raging for that long. But it was
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: interesting that it was Sarah, which makes me like a
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: little concern. She even says in the voiceover that, you
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: know Matt's contemplation, like it could be you know this.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Who knows where the SoundBite came from, but she says
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: something about Matt possibly keeping Victoria makes her worried about
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: whether she even she'd be staking around. I mean, yeah,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: we don't know where that plays out, right, It's gonna
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: be interesting. But a couple of few final notes notes
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: here before we we in this segment, is uh, really
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: cool of m J to stand up for Maryland. I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: thought it was a really cool thing for her to
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: do is Victorias sits down and start saying, you know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Maryland's toxic and MJ very patiently, very calmly, just because
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I've never seen her be like that. I can't support
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that because my opinion is that she's never been that way,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and I think that's how you handle those well. And
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: we see it with m J um Ashley. Uh if
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: we rated this episode and then give us your top
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: three contestants to this point, oh am, I right for
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the episode? Is um. I paused just because I was
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: thoroughly entertained, but a lot of it was because I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: was just in awe of Victoria's behavior. I'm gonna go
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: with another eight, Like we had some mind blowing ten
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: out of ten episodes during Tastias season, So I'm going
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to use that as like the height the top three
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: contestants right now. Yeah, so definitely Brie. I'm still gonna
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: put Rachel in there. It's the same as the same
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: as last week. So it's Rachel, Vinery and Abigail And
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I would say, like I said last week, Sarah's definitely
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: up there, but I would put her in my top four.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a seven because I just don't think
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: we got enough out of it. I think it's week
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: two again. This is always a long episode. We're gonna
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: get better here. I thought there were some like kind
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: of awkward moments. I think MAT's getting his the swing
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: of things. I think he's gonna be great. Um, there
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: was some drama that I just don't love watching. It
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: just makes me feel uncomfortable and it kind of like
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: hurts others in the process. Someone even to seven wasn't
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: my favorite episode, but my top three. It's gonna be
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Abigail Bree uh. And I'm gonna put Sarah up there
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: as well. Now, um over Rachel at this point, I
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: think Abigail Brie, Sarah Uh. Hey Ashley Uh. Let's take
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: a break and we'll come back with almost famous podcast. Well,
• 49:29
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• 49:31
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• 49:33
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• 49:37
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• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the very first one, Bachelor's Peter Weber moves to New
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: York City after split from Kelly. He's ready to go,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: he says, it's according to US Magazine. Actually this is confusing. Okay, well,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: to make this a bigger I don't get it, Kelly
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: is actually also moving to New York too. They're both
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: moving to New York and they're just not gonna live together.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: She says that she's not moving until Mark. She's she'll
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: be in Florida until then. But that is freaking weird. Okay,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: so obviously it has nothing to do with the move.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: They broke up for way other way, bigger reasons on
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: the move. I don't know. I think that was that
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: was probably obvious, but I just really didn't expect them
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: both to end up in the same city. It's just
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: all weird. We don't know. We know so little about
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: this relationship, right, Like, it felt like it was good
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to the end. It felt like it was good till
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. That's all we see publicly. But hey, next
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: headline is this is super interesting. Actually, I need you
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to explain this because I tried to do it on
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: my own but I just couldn't figure it out. Twitter
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: thread about Bachelor contestant Kristen Hopkins helping a former classmate
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: goes viral. This according to people, Okay, this is crazy
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: and very cool. Kristen Hopkins. She's one of the attorneys
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: on Matt season. She hasn't had a lot of screen
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: time yet, but hopefully she gets because she's a hero.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: She went to school with this girl and on their
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: way back from an alumni event, the girls on the
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: train with her and like they weren't together, Like it
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't like they were going over each other's houses, were
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: like gonna go grab dinner or anything. But she was
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: watching out for this girl because there was this guy
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: who was being super creepy, um talking about like babysitting
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: for his daughter. Uh, just really hitting on the girl,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: but like not in acute way. Um. He apparently was
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: married and he was kind of trying to cheat on
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: his wife with this with this girl. But she said
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: that she was being too dull, just not picking up
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: on his creepy vibes. But Kristen did and she she
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: went up to her and she said, girl, this man
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: is creepy. He's hitting on you. And she just said
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: basically that she she saved her because she could have
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: been getting off the train and getting into trouble with
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: this guy, but she prevented it. So cool, such a
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: cool story to see and uh, really awesome that the
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: girl remembered Kristen and then highlighted this story went it
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: went viral, so a lot of people heard it this
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: last week. Next story is one obviously, we have a
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: couple of headlines here about Heather Martin come back on
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the show. Uh, we'll wait and talk about those ones.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: She does well. The final headline today is one about
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the most recent Bachelor couple, Tasia and Zach. Actually they
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: were spotted out and about in New York City. What
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: was going on? Well, she ran a charity five k
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: with him this week, and gosh, I hope that she's
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: a runner, because that would not be like an easy
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: thing getting a couple and then all of a sudden,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I'm expected to run things. It doesn't really feel like
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: your thing. Actually, it doesn't really feel like you and
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: you and Jared Mett and you're like, let's go for
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a run. Like you work out, you love to work out,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you stay in shape, but like running running is not
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: your like favorite right, Yeah it's not. That's not my
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: ideal workout. But I think that Tasia fits the role,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: and it was very sweet to see them doing something
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: for charity together. It's awesome. Well, hey, actual let's take
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: a break here. When we come back, more of the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: almost in this podcast. Alright, guys, we got Chris and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Luke on the phone. You guys just did a new
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: music video. I think I think the first question about
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: getting a music video done right now is how did
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: you do it? So luckily we shot that one before
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: everything shut down for a while. I think we shot
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: that one probably less well, not last the last um November,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I guess in two thousand nineteen, So we didn't. It
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: was easy to do it then, no social distancing or anything. Well,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: this obviously is a great song. We have you on, Chris,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Bandy is on in. Luke is in his music video. Chris,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: we've seen it done before. Uh where a bachelor bachelor
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: at contestant is in a music video? A country seems
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to be our realm? Why did you choose Luke? We
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: had a few running scenes and uh, Luke looked much
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: better running in Nashville than I did. Uh, so he
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: was our first call. Is there any Is there any
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: romance in this video? You know it's it's kind of
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: a funny story. Um, so there is no romance. I
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: think the only time that they were in a shot
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: together was a big fight outside of a bar UM.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: And then the whole the whole premise of the song
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: is saying, you know you, you've learned from your mistakes,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: You've grown up a little bit, You've taken all of
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: your wrongdoings and become a better person from them. UM.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: And then we kind of left it as a as
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: a cliffhanger at the end, so kind of like the
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: movie The Breakup, you don't know whether or not they
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: get back together or whether they don't, so it's kind
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: of up to the viewers perception. We got Chris Bandy
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: on again. Luke Pell was in his music video Man
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: enough now, Luke, you're a country singer yourself. Uh is
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: it common in the country world to be in somebody
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: else's video? How did you decide? Was even a tough
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: decision at all? I wasn't a tough decision at all.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I love I love Chris and the whole team UM
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: that works with him, and so when they asked me,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, yeah, dude, I'm down. I'm excited
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to do it. I've known the song UM for a
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: couple of years prior to since I had met Chris
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: and we became friends and his song before his record
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: deal came out and and happened and was signed and everything.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: He had already put that song out independently and it
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: had just killed it on Spotify, was viral, and so
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I was a big fan of the song and of
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Chris and and knew about it well before they asked me.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: And then when you got a record deal, that's when
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: they went ahead and decided to do a big budget
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: video and all those things, and so I was just, uh,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you know, glad and honored to be a part of it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Well bad bags. The question, Chris, are you a Bachelor fan?
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Is that? How you thought? Uh, Luke pal perfect to
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: be a manly man in this role. So I've I've
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: watched a few seasons of The Bachelor. Um, I would
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: say not to my accord. My girlfriend is a fan
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and I started following along because of her. Um. But
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Luke and I actually met in the country music world,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and we've played quite a few shows together and just
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: hung out um in in Nashville. So we've been friends
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: for a long time. And having him in the video
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: was was an awesome experience, kind of a full circle thing,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, it was. It was awesome to have
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: him and he killed it, as you can see in
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: the video. Well something big. And I mean my fiance's
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: from Franklin and so I've gotten be around Nashal a
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: little bit. Got to meet a couple of country singers.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I know, this is a huge deal. Now. I always
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: enjoyed watching these on YouTube and stuff. But you made
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: your Grand Old Oprey debut February. That's a massive deal
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: country music, isn't it. Thank you so much. Yeah, it
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: was just I mean, moving to Nashville, you kind of
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: know that the Grand ol Opry is the pinnacle of
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: venues to play, and it is. It was on top
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: of my bucket list. And I remember when we got
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the call. My manager said, hey, you're playing an opery
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: you know, in three weeks, And my heart just kind
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: of sunk into my stomach because I was already so nervous.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: But the people that have played that stage and have
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: have gone on to be members of the Grand ol Oprary,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is so ingrained in Nashville history
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: that getting to do that was, I mean something that
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I will never ever forget. I hope we get to
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: play it many many more times, but that first time
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: was just incredible. Well, before we let you guys go,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: we wanted to hear a little uh if you will,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: a little birth of your new single would have loved Her,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: which if you do do a music video for it,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: we would suggest again absolutely it's a it's a three
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: part series or a yeah, awesome, well you'll be the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: love interest. I I wrote this. So I wrote this song, um,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: thinking about my grandpa, who passed away about six months
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: before I met my girlfriend, and I just had this
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: idea that, you know, if he were still around and
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: gotten the chance to meet her, he would have loved her.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: And I brought this idea in with a good friend
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: of mine who I write with all the times, Zach Kale,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and we were kind of throwing ideas out and stuff,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: and he told me that his dad actually passed away
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: before he met his wife, and we kind of, you know,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: knew that we were going to write this song that day.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: And yeah, this is my brand new single to country
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: radio and it's called would have loved Her. She's from
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: song Town. Just slack you lot of them well, and
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: don't let it fool you, she says. She thanks me
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: a better man like you did cherish Meerman loved her.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Love it. Look I just added to my Apple music Well,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: thank you so much, good ahead, so good, so awesome.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Well hey again, that's Chris Bandy everybody. Luke pel Is
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: in his music video man Enough Now debut self Tier DP,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: released May nine, and you had a hand in writing
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: four of the seven tracks. Cris Bandy, everybody, Luke, thanks
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: for coming on. We appreciate you all. Thanks for having me,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: y'all fine, love you guys, Thank you so much. Love
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the way, the best, and add the y'all. When we're
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: talking country, I gotta put it in Ashley. Alright, guys
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: up next. Very interesting technology director and data analyst. Her
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: name is Susannah and in December two thousand eighteen, she
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: began analyzing the impact of The Bachelor on social media
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: and analyzing data surrounding the franchise. You can find her
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: data analysis on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok at Bachelor data. Uh So,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast, guys. Hey Susannah, Hey, thanks for
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: having me. So what made you start analyzing the Bachelor data?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: So it's a funny story. I had just become a
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: technology director and I didn't know how to use spreadsheets,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: so nothing at the time sounded worse to me than
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: taking an Excel class. So I decided to start following
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Instagram followers of people who were on the show to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: try to figure out if there was any correlation between
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: what happened on the show that could lead to more
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Instagram followers. It's such an interesting pursuit. And uh, I honestly,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I came across your page kind of randomly. I think
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: during Tacious season was really the first time it came
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: to light. And I mean, I've kind of been watching
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: and I think you might tell me different, but I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: feel like it has grown sensatious season, Like, I think
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: it really has caught fire. But the thing that I'm
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: always so impressed with, there's so much data that goes
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: into the show, right, like what color dresses people wear,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: what color clothes people wear, how much screen time there are?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Like how does what does it look like when you're
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: watching the show and you're plugging in these numbers, Like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: how do you do it all? And how do you
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: conceptualize it into something that makes sense? Yeah, So the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: night of the episode, I actually try to sit down
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and enjoy it. I sit down, I just watched and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I just captured general screen time. So some segments during
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the show like is it a one on one day,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: is it a group date? Um. Then after the episode
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: is done airing, I'll go back and rewatch it and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I'll analyze for things like screen time, so I'll break
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: down how long people are on the screen and who's featured,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: and then and I'll also try to find some novelty
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: things to collect data on. So this last week I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: analyze dress colors, where they sparkly, were they not um
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: and different things like that to try to see if
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: there's any correlation between what we see on the show
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: to tell us what might happen in the future. So
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: you've been doing this since two thousand eight teens, you've
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: had a couple of seasons. Are there any trends or
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: themes that just seem to stay constant? Yeah. So the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: big thing that whenever it comes to the show and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: data is screen time is golden. So if you were
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: on the screen, you have a really big chance of
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: increasing your Instagram followers. UM. And I always find that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: interesting because you can't say that that generally always works,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: because when you look at different people in different types
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: of screen time, there's a ton of variables that take
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: place there, so not all screen time is equal. So
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: if we look at last season with Tasia, the Bennett
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: and Noah drama, they got tons of followers out of that,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: so you can see that people are interested in following
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: these people on Instagram after the show. But then if
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: you look at some other people like Joseph, it doesn't
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: really translate as well to followers. So it's interesting to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: look at what the screen time looks like and then
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: how people look at it. But then looking at UM
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: some other data, I think my favorite that I found
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: is that the first one on one date, which is
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: on tonight's episode, is one of the biggest indicators for
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor, at least on who's going to become the
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: next bachelorette. Who in the past has had the first
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: date and then become Bachelor bachelorette. Yeah, so the last
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: twelve seasons of The Bachelor, six of them became the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: bachelorette eventually. So if we look at UM, Hannah Brown
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: had the first one on one date, Becca Kouffrin, uh,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: we had Claire Crawley, we had Ashley a Bear, we
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: had Ali Fattowski, we had Jillian Harris. They all became
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: bachelorette and they all also had the first one on
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: one date. Very so interesting. That's so interesting. Now, what
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: what about when it comes to villains, Because I don't
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: want to call Bennett a villain, but he pretty but
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: he was a controversial right, um, but he was no
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: in no way the kind of villain that Joseph was.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: So when it comes to villains, is there a kind
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: of villain who gets more followers than others? Yeah? I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: mean it's one of those things. It's it's how likable
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: they come across. Right, So like Demmy is a great
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: example that she got played up as having drama in
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: the house, but people love her. They follow her on Instagram,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: she went on Paradised. You know, she had a really
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: you know, likable personality at seems as because people are
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: following her. So that's one of those things that not
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: all villains are created equal. Um. But the key thing
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: there is that they're getting screen time and they're not
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: disappearing in big group dates. They're getting screen time even
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: if they're not on a one on one. Well. You know,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: the interesting thing about data and why I find you're
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: so interesting is you know you are just a few
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: years in so your data is still at a micro
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: level now. Over time, when you continue to do this,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: and I hope you do, it will become big data
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: at some level. Like you're gonna have a lot of information,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: a lot a lot of patterns that you can see.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Do you feel and no spoilers here? But are you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: starting to get a sense of what's going to happen
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: in the show based on the data that you've already
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: received the last two years? Can you almost predict spoilers
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: now for the show before the episodes even air? Not really?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: So something that's important when it comes to this data
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: is that you have to remember that this is all
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: focused on a show about somebody who's trying to fall
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: in love with somebody, So you can't have data predict
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you know, who is this person going to fall in
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: love with? But there are certain things that can kind
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: of give you early indicators on who's gonna last long um,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: And that's around screen time, right, They're not going to
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time at least what I've seen
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: so far and watching this show, gosh, since Jake Mbelka's season,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: is that they're not going to spend a ton of
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: time building up somebody's character, Um for them to only
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: go home week three. Um, so keep an eye out
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: on who's getting a lot of screen time. But you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: can really see around episode four and five at that
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: point who has a lot of followers. Who's getting a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: lot of screen time will generally indicate who's going to
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: make it to the final six or so. So screen
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: time anything weird, like anything totally unexpected, like the color
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: that they wear, the tone of their voice. Um, you know,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: weird entrances. You know one thing that is a really
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: good indicator that I just started tracking during clarentatious season. Um,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: that's been my first you know shot at trying to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: take featured screen time data. And I'm not talking like
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Ivan has a one on one date, so all that
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: time goes to him. I'm talking, Okay, it breaks from
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Ivan goes to Tasia, So let's stop the time for Ivan. Um.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: When I take that, I'm also documenting if that's a positive,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: a neutral, or negative screen time, So it's kind of
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: how the person is being portrayed, if it's a positive
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: or if it's a neutral. And neutrals, like you know,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: they're in an im and they're just kind of narrating
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: what's happening on the show. A negative would be, you
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: know the interaction between Bennett and Noah. Um, those with
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: more positive screen time tend to make it further in
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: the season very interesting. So let's make it about Matt
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  Speaker 1: James in here for a second. Right. Uh, we we've
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  Speaker 1: seen the first two episodes at this point. But on
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: the first episode, Uh, we can see the limit entrances
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  Speaker 1: and there is some really like I mean, this year,
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  Speaker 1: out of any I think they're super entertaining. Um, they're
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  Speaker 1: very taught talked about. There's the ones the tooth that
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  Speaker 1: stand out to me are like goat shoes and the vibrator.
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  Speaker 1: Those two I just thought were super intriguing. Could you
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  Speaker 1: tell from your data if one of them was better
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  Speaker 1: than the other based on following or response sort of?
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  Speaker 1: So you know Katie at the one with the vibrator,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't gain a ton of followers. Um, this last episode,
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  Speaker 1: it was really Abigail was the star of the episode.
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  Speaker 1: And that's normally true with every season. Whoever gets that
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  Speaker 1: that first impression roads they get tons of followers that
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: week and I'm talking surpassing a hundred thousand followers. But
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: with the gimmick versus traditional limo insurances. The thing is
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  Speaker 1: is that if you do a gimmick, you're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: on TV longer. And normally that segment there's a structure
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  Speaker 1: to it where you know, some some of the women
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: will come in, they'll have more of a traditional insurance
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: like Hi, it's nice to meet you. I'm so nervous,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to you inside. And then
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  Speaker 1: you have the gimmicks. You know, you have the vibrators.
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  Speaker 1: We also have the people who are showing up with
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: a car or something like that, and they just generally
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  Speaker 1: get more screen time. UM. So with that you can
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: build some more early on favorites because they're more memorable. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But what's really interesting is if you look at the
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  Speaker 1: trend of gimmicks. Actually your season, Ben had the highest
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: number of gimmicks overall looking at the past six seasons,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of the people who actually make it
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: towards the end all had gimmicks. So it's something that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: helps them be memorable, but um, it also helps with
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: their story to to kind of get them started. You
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: do some data on race representation, and we've seen over
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  Speaker 1: the past couple of seasons that there's been a more
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: diverse cast, more diverse leads. Is there anything interesting as
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: far as that growth that's been demonstrated to the numbers? Yeah,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: So I think this was one of my favorite things
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  Speaker 1: that came out of my data analysis. The first season
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: I did was Colton and Tasha was actually on it,
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  Speaker 1: and that season I was really just trying to find
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  Speaker 1: tiny trends in the little amounts of data that I
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: had at the time, and Tasia was the first UM
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  Speaker 1: trend that stood out to me because screen time did
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: translate to followers for her, and the only variable that
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I could find there and her there was somebody else
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: in her season two was that they were non white
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: contestants UM. And something that's been really great that I've
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: seen since then that i've been watching it with this,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: you know, more of a data centered attention is that,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: you know, casting is one thing, but also seeing them
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: in the storylines and having more screen time for them. UM.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: It's been improving, especially Tastias season UM. If you look
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: at the breakdown in this way, I try to do
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: most weeks, especially once we can get past the first
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: few weeks where I can actually recognize people. UM is
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: trying to see equitably. What's the breakdown of people who
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: are white versus non white and then seeing you know,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: are they shown equitably on the show? Um? Because that's
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: also important in being able to see people on our
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: screens that have different backgrounds, like we saw ontatious season.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you what, this is a great follow You
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: gotta follow it, Bachelor Data. It's just interesting. I mean,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: even if you're not a massive fan of the show,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: this stuff has been intriguing to me every time you
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: post about it, every time you share it. I'm into it.
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  Speaker 1: I watch it. Uh it is. I think it's gonna
• 1:11:16
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• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: as this is a fun project, probably for you, I
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna revolutionize a lot of like how people
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: watch the show. I think it's gonna be gonna like
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: bring a different kind of interest and intrigue into each episode. Uh.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: We actually, I both specifically on our I heart text
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: thread said we gotta get you on the podcast, um,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: and I got we gotta get you on again, Like,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I think this is such a fascinating thing you're doing
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: again it's Bachelor Data. Now you're a last guest of
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: this episode. Uh. And so here at almost in his podcast,
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  Speaker 1: we have something that is an honor to us, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's an honor to anybody else
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: that ever does it or listens, but we're gonna ask
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: you to close out this episode with us, So if
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: you can stick around for one second. Uh, this has
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