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Culture & Building Resilience with HEW Franchise Owner Randall Greer | Ep 23 · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is the driven athlete podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: It's your man, dr Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the driven athlete podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a really cool guest with us, randall Greer.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming in, man.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're a busy dude, so thanks for thanks for coming in you'd happy to be here the, and so, for people who don't know, share more.
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  Speaker 1: You're a franchise owner with Hugh, correct.
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  Speaker 1: Hard exercise works, yeah correct.
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  Speaker 2: So franchise or we're now rebranded to fitness, but the APW does stand for hard exercise works, and then we also gym owner, so we own the Jupiter location, which was our our first location.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: So Jupiter is the the beginning of all of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where we had.
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  Speaker 2: So we were birthed out of a CrossFit, so we had a CrossFit Palm Beach and then we had CrossFit Armory were the two in the early, early days.
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  Speaker 2: And then we evolved into doing our own thing and that became hard exercise works.
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  Speaker 2: And as we started franchising and Worked with the branding company, everybody called it Hugh anyway, because hard exercise works is kind of a mouthful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah and it's like, yeah, I'm going to you today.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I so, hugh fitness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: How'd you guys come up with?
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  Speaker 1: Hard exercise?
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  Speaker 1: Works is like the name.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty self-explanatory, but where'd that come from?
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  Speaker 2: My business partner, so Matt.
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  Speaker 2: He's 20 years my elder, so I was getting hard time about that.
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  Speaker 2: But in his previous business they the story he tells me as they took they worked with a company to to kind of talk about what they do or who they are, and they took it from several pages down to a paragraph, down to a sentence, down to those Three words hard, exercise, work.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a whole process that I was not actually a part of that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great method I like that which makes total sense.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, intense exercise and physical movement works for the goals of what most people usually want, right, which I was gonna ask you next, what, before we get into that, you guys were CrossFit Armory and CrossFit Palm Beach and then you guys split up into your own thing.
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  Speaker 1: What led to that decision to split up or, like, do your own thing, like that?
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  Speaker 2: I think multiple there's, there's a lot to it.
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  Speaker 2: We were, you know, at the time it was early, early days of CrossFit, and I'm now love CrossFit, I love everything that they did, they've done.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't want this to come off, cross, as a negative, but yeah, at the time they weren't censored, so to speak, and we had a group of eighth grade volleyball girls that were working out with us and and they're kids, you know right.
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  Speaker 2: And so when we were talking about CrossFit and I would go and I'd be watching these videos and they're dropping F bombs and you know, just the culture that we were trying to create was, at the time, more family friendly.
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  Speaker 2: Now, again, you know, crossfit's come, you've done a lot of good things.
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  Speaker 2: So again, this is not a dig on on them, but just we were okay, we were looking at doing there's a group doing like prison ministries, and so we're trying to build this on you know godly principles, if you will, and and also just kind of want to break off into our own thing so that hard exercise works, just became kind of like I can't believe it's not butter Brand, and we're like you know what, let's just let's go do this and and In the thought of expanding.
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  Speaker 2: You know we did.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't get into this to be a franchise, we didn't get into this to do multiple occasions, it just kind of happened that way.
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  Speaker 2: But, having a little bit of a bigger vision, we wanted to control the, the culture.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: So a big difference, then is the culture aspect, right, and then some of the programming compared to CrossFit, right, is it very a lot of similarities.
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  Speaker 1: Big difference, like.
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  Speaker 1: What would you say about that?
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  Speaker 2: Difficult question to answer, I would say, because you know, with CrossFit you kind of CrossFit is is a bunch of individual gems and they create their own programs.
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  Speaker 2: So the programming in each CrossFit location can be built on what their, what their goals are with their methodology is where, for us, we all run the same workout and we're at 16 locations right now, so it's the same team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's it's kind of daunting, like we've been doing this for 15 years.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, like Sometimes I feel like we should be farther along than we are, and other times like I can't believe we're actually made it here, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, going back to the programming, it's really Kind of the culture of what you create.
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  Speaker 2: It's a.
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  Speaker 2: What we've evolved into is not really a competitive Environment.
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  Speaker 2: You know, early days, you know we write everybody's names on a whiteboard and we'd write their time down and we would like, hey, well, what did you do?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I well, wait, did you do?
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  Speaker 2: You know, did you do our X or non-RX?
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  Speaker 2: And that's where we came from.
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  Speaker 2: And then, over the years of you know, again, when the classes got bigger and you're writing 35 names on for one class, it part of it became just like this is a nuisance, right, totally.
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  Speaker 2: But then we go around with the clipboard and you're like, hey, what was your, what was your time today?
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  Speaker 2: It's like I don't know, you know it's like, and you get a lot of those I don't know it's like, okay, smiley face.
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  Speaker 2: So we put smiley face because then we, you know, we still put something up on the on the wall and it just kind of evolved into what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Today is like just, you know, meet you where you're at One of my, my mentors, a guy trained with back in Texas he was.
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  Speaker 2: He'd say like, hey, man, it's your workout.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you're feeling good today, go hard.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you're not feeling good today, maybe a little hungover a little beat up, just you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: This is, this is your workout today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you decide.
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  Speaker 1: You know, man, we'd love to help, I would imagine, like pump you up and like make you feel more supported, but we'll meet you where you are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why it's a coach Right, like your job as a coach is to know more than just how to coach the workout.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you got to get to know the individual.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that's the essence of, I think, the group fitness model is you come in and again the culture is meeting you where you're at on that day.
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  Speaker 2: So it's taking the workout that's on the board and breaking it down to a group and then being able to go to each individual that needs that extra help to Say like, hey, here's what you're gonna do today, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So your shoulders banged up, maybe you got pre-existing injuries, that people because people come in with all different, you know, I'm one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I have to modify 90% of the workout that we put on the board.
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  Speaker 2: So that's really where I think we thrive is.
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  Speaker 2: It's finding a way for people to get a great workout and feel accomplished when they leave gotcha and that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I mean because like that consistently over a long time works right.
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  Speaker 1: No pun intended.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for if someone's gonna be like, hey, cool, let me try you guys out, but tell me more like what type of workouts seem to be heavy within your guys.
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  Speaker 1: Is like more emphasize in your, in your programming consistently?
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  Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at exercises and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna like basic kid training, a high-intensity interval training, mix with your strength, you know so, your strength and conditioning.
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  Speaker 2: Doing barbells you know that's where one of the you know us and CrossFit.
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  Speaker 2: There's other.
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  Speaker 2: You know there's other brands that do it, but you know where the barbell becomes a pretty big part of the training.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot to go into that, because this is a very technical lift and we have people that have never touched a barbell, maybe even never exercised really in their life, and we're asking them to do a snatch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, an overhead snatch for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so is our barbells.
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  Speaker 1: Not every workout includes a barbell movement, correct?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, correct.
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  Speaker 1: How many days a week would you say barbells would be included in?
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  Speaker 2: An average two to three.
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  Speaker 2: Two to three Depending on how the programming is cycled through.
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  Speaker 2: You know the design, like the technical side for the listeners out there that want to geek out on programming Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know we talked about like the metabolic pathways.
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  Speaker 2: You're just sprinting, you're kind of interval jogging or you're running, and then your endurance, like the slower conditioning, each week has a theme.
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  Speaker 2: So if we're in a sprint week you'll probably see three days of barbell and in that sprint you'll see more of the part one, part two style where you're doing the heavier lifts and like lower reps, right, or very fast short intervals where we can kind of control the clock In your like the medium, like your more glycolytic phase.
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  Speaker 2: You know you're looking at us again controlling the clock with the intervals, but we'll do that creatively.
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  Speaker 2: You know we might do it with a partner workout where I go, you go and you're getting to work together.
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  Speaker 2: So you're building camaraderie in the gym, which is some of the secret sauce of group fitness.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like in those vulnerable grueling times, is when you really get to know somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, and you get someone cheering you on like, hey, come on one more rep, like in high five, and then you get done with your set, I go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally that's cool and is there like a cardio, like a running or a high heart rate type of component in most every workout?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say I mean, that's part of the marketing, it comes with it.
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  Speaker 2: You can write the best program in the world, right, and nobody shows up.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 1: It's consistent with it.
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna see long-term changes Exactly, but people wanna get sweaty.
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  Speaker 2: You know they wanna feel it.
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  Speaker 2: You wanna walk out feeling accomplished.
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  Speaker 2: And so there is a that get the heart rate up, get people sweaty, get them in.
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  Speaker 2: That's what most people need.
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  Speaker 2: You know we're training 99% of America.
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  Speaker 2: That is not training for a very specific sport, they're training for life.
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  Speaker 2: They're training for, you know, whatever it is, they're day to day.
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  Speaker 2: This is not sport specific.
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  Speaker 2: So they wanna come in.
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  Speaker 2: They need to just turn their brain off for a little while, get sweaty and move on with their day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what would you say is some of the most common questions?
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  Speaker 1: Like if someone comes in for a free class right, you see those on signs outside of doors which is a great opportunity to meet people and check things out, and they're like, hey, I really liked it.
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  Speaker 1: What are some of the main questions people usually ask you?
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  Speaker 1: I got some notes on that, but main questions.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, when people come in, it's kind of what do you do here?
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  Speaker 1: right.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the simple part of like hey, we do group fitness, we do high intensity interval training, we you know, we kind of everything I just said, like we kind of meet you or you're at.
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  Speaker 2: And then it gets into like, hey, is this for me?
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  Speaker 2: Can I do this?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because you, you know, you think about someone that's walking into a gym for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: And inside of our gyms you've got ropes hanging, you've got gymnastics rings hanging, you got depending on the workout, you got heavy kettlebells, heavy barbells, all the way down to the other ones, you got boxes to maybe jump on, and you're like man.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can do this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks intimidating.
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  Speaker 2: Is this place for me?
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  Speaker 2: Do I belong here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really what I think most people see and feel the first time they walk in and you know, in general people it's almost nine months from the time they think about coming into a gym like ours or any other fitness thing if they're not already in fitness.
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  Speaker 2: You think about nine months they've been thinking about it, watching it, maybe on, you know, online, doing some research.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they've driven by.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of times I've had people tell me they park in the parking lot and they just kind of watch and they don't have the courage to walk in.
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  Speaker 2: So so that's the biggest question for me I think people have is like, can I do this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, whether they articulate that or not, that's what they mean, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're finding that people.
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  Speaker 1: Usually it's like a nine month investigation and consideration time before they actually like walk in the door.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean interesting.
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  Speaker 2: This just happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: We had a member come in, a member now.
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  Speaker 2: She came in for the first time and, with our paid ad campaign, had submitted a paid ad six months ago, right.
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  Speaker 2: And then again in December we had a little promo out there.
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  Speaker 2: The name popped in again and we've been reaching out.
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  Speaker 2: You know doing our typical, you know lead after.
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  Speaker 2: And then yesterday walked in finally scheduled an appointment, came in, loved it and we get five star review out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she just loved it, but six months From the first time we actually know that she was interested and had the courage to click that, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So what message and would you want to convey to somebody who's like in that process and it's been three months or five months, you know whatever to like make them feel more comfortable, lower that time gap of like.
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  Speaker 1: Do you just come in today, you know what would you want to say?
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  Speaker 2: Ah, man, that's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Um, it's really.
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  Speaker 2: You have to just check your ego.
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  Speaker 2: You know kind of just be vulnerable.
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  Speaker 2: You know you have to put yourself out there and that's hard man, it's not easy you think about, because you know you're going to have class for 15 years in this, you know, in the Jupiter gym, right.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: So you're going to walk in and there's going to be people that have been doing this forever in their phenomenal shape, and you're walking in, you know, in a vulnerable position, like you're putting on your workout clothes.
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  Speaker 2: What you end up finding out is nobody really cares what you look like, nobody cares.
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  Speaker 2: They care about you, they don't care about how you perform.
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  Speaker 2: Like they're going to encourage you, they're going to, they're going to put their arm around you, they're going to be high five and be like, hey, congratulations.
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  Speaker 2: So I would say it's really just be vulnerable and be okay being vulnerable, and just I almost say there's going to be fear, like I want to say like just don't be afraid.
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  Speaker 2: I mean because there is that healthy fear that you're going to have when you walk in.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, just I think being comfortable being vulnerable is what I would tell people.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting I heard the definition of courage the other day was just people are, there's fear, and being afraid, totally the action despite of the presence of fear, that's courage.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, it's interesting, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I got some fear going on.
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  Speaker 1: What am I going to do?
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  Speaker 1: Am I actually going to take action?
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  Speaker 1: So it's just like the action despite the presence of fear, cause fear is healthy and normal, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I also heard something recently too, with like vulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go back to that in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: But so I wanted to, before you get into that, tell me again, like, for someone like that, it's been six months, nine months, right, you want to make them feel comfortable, to come in right.
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  Speaker 1: How long do people usually at the time of like working out they've been with you for like a month now, or six weeks or whatever when they actually notice, start feeling like I feel different, I'm noticing changes, I feel stronger.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: How long does that usually take?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say people probably notice change within the first 30 days.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of that change is up here.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: You know it's like they're feeling accomplished, cause that's the hardest part.
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  Speaker 2: I see that one of the biggest struggles people have is patience.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: You know you come in and there's an expectation for that change that fast.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Like man, I wasn't working out and now I am and I don't see the difference right.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Cause it's incremental little changes, like if you're doing it the right way, you know you're not starving yourself, you're not just going crazy Super.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people that you know that I see, don't make it.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: That fails because they go too hard, too fast and then they have these unrealistic expectations of themselves.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: So having realistic expectations coming in like yo.
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  Speaker 1: This is a process where over the next eight weeks, staying consistent at the end of the eight weeks, then we can take an analysis and assessment and maybe see some changes.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Is that accurate?
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say I mean, and even putting eight weeks on it, I think you get a draw, I think you get a scale back even more right, like understanding where you're starting right, like if you're someone that hasn't worked out in years and you know you've put on like you use just a stereotypical.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: You know a mom, right, so she's had two kids, you know, maybe maybe within a couple of years of each other, and hasn't really been able to take care of herself, like I mean, I can imagine like what that's like right, right.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: So now it's like I want to get my body back right 20, 30 pounds overweight and you come in and there's this patience that you need to have with yourself to know that like, okay, I started something and where do I want to be?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: You know, at first let's start with showing up.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Let's just be consistent, be like gracious with ourself, you know, be okay, you know coming in, right.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: So that's where I would recommend people starting right, like, just set realistic expectations.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Now, everybody's different.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: You know you get someone that's younger, you know, not in that, I'm not in that boat anymore.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Kind of keep getting reminded of like 44 years old.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It's not old, but you know I'm not 20 anymore.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So you also got to kind of understand like where you're at in life.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Right, you come in and you're on the younger scale.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Sometimes things change faster when you're on the older side of things.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Things don't change as fast as they used to.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, so I don't have to answer your question, man, but like I, would say, eight weeks is you know that's what you went through, no-transcript.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: You kind of got to set that, set an expectation, for what I would recommend most people to do is not really put a specific date on it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I would say, look at being consistent to start and then look at it forever.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I guess not like I'm going to do this exercise for a short period of time and I'm going to get where I'm at and be done.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: It's like you got to just kind of mentally commit to like this is going to be my life and figure out where to fit it in.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And then with that, something I've heard too is like I mean layering in like deeper.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Why of like?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Why in the first place, we've been doing that which will help with consistency, as in like well, I want to be a role model for my kids.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: You know an example of discipline and just consistency.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And then the hard work I put in, the willingness to be uncomfortable, which exercise can be challenging.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel great at the moment, but we know it's for a greater gain for long term, like the willingness to do that.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Right, that's so my wise, right, I would imagine for the mom that you just explained or the dad in that situation, that would help revert back to those wise to create more consistency.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: You're like today sucks, yeah, right, I can't give a hundred percent today.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Right, that's okay, I had redefined that myself.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: You know it's like my previous experiences and expectations I have of myself.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: It's like I don't feel great, I'm a little bit late, I'm not going to work out because I can't give a hundred percent.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I can't work out to death this time, so then it doesn't count.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: It's like yo, it totally counts.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Right, it's totally fine, just move, not in pain.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Cool, you still got to work a little bit of workout in, that's going to be better because it's going to re instill those lifestyle habits for a longer and longer, versus like I can't commit full time right now, or a hundred percent, so it doesn't count, I do it, it totally counts.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Right, just do it, it's fine, absolutely.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean right.
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  Speaker 1: Do you hear that a lot Like?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Do you tell yourself?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: that a lot.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I live it a lot I mean yesterday played at a play date.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I got a six and a half year old.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: You know it's the best job in the world and the hardest job in the world being a dad.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like I want to get to the workout.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do my warm up before the warm up and kids having a great time playing on the playground, like you know what.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I just hang out a little bit longer.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: It showed up to the workout 15 minutes late, so I missed the whole first part.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: But you know what?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I did my own little warm up in the corner, which I don't try to do all the time, it's just part of it, but this is my only little window to work out that day, right?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: So you know he gets to go hang out and the other kids at the gym have a little bit of fun.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And I got something done, right.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I felt good afterwards.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: That's good, no, that's awesome.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I still need help with that on myself, you know, because then when I do have time and it's like now I'm going to crush it, then I'd go way too hard and I'm like way sore, my something hurts afterwards and I'm like why don't I do it?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: What do I do it?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I have to redefine my definition of like what a workout is, and then like success or failure, where the success is like my goal is maybe work out four days a week, versus like maxing out every day.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Was able to do the four days a week workout, that's the win.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Versus like what did I actually do in the workout, or like did I go to death every time?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It's just like I was able to knock that out.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Cool, that's going to carry me longer than like other stuff.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about like a background.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: You know someone that might have been an athlete.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: You know a competitive athlete playing sports.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: You know in their younger years high school years, maybe college years, maybe even you know people that played pro professional sports for a little while.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Then there's a life after that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: So we grew up in this world.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: When we're growing up, we're training for a very specific reason, right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: So you train and then you go perform and then you get out of that and I mean this, I live this.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: But then there's a ton of people out there that also live the same things like what am I doing now?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: What am I training for?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Right, just training for life.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you played baseball in college, right?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I did?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: What was the situation you play?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I was a pitcher.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Pitcher Lefty or righty?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Lefty.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Lefty, crafty, lefty, crafty, lefty.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So you guys at first base, how did he do that?
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: So you get that you had a specific thing you were training for for baseball through high school and college.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Then you exit that and it's like now what, right, yeah, why am I just burning?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Like this?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Endurance, burn, the lack of gas, like during a workout?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: This sucks, this is burning.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Why, why I just?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: How about this?
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: How about I just not do that?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Right, and I don't have to anymore?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I haven't done that in a long time.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, what's your thoughts on that?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Like, how do you, what motivation would you convey to other people in that same boat for consistently working out through their 40s and 50s and 60s and stuff?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I think you know, I think there's a why.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: There's that deeper, the deeper part of what comes with the workout.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Right, the workout is part of what you do.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, we live a healthier life.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Everybody wants to be stronger, you want to look better, you want to lose weight Like all those surface value things, right?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I think my journey is similar to other people.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I got out of college, I got a job, I moved to a new town, I don't know anybody, and that's kind of how I ended up in the business I'm in now.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I was a civil engineer to start my career, right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And then, long story.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But you know, like you know, I'm going to be a civil engineer.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: 0809, recession real estate kind of tanked here locally, right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And so, um, yeah, I had been given a six-month notice with my job, so I had six months.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: The guy's worked for the amazing good mentor of mine.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It's like, what am I gonna do now?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And I didn't.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I wasn't ready to leave, like I could have gone back to Texas.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I left.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Texas is where I grew up.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Report Texas, dallas area, playing, to be specific.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha, I'm family still all there, cool.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But I had some opportunities to continue in engineering.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: But I'd got, I'd gone on this path of the CrossFit journey right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: So I had found CrossFit.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I was working as volunteering, as a coach and a CrossFit gym and and I didn't need the money at the time, right, and that's what got me in there was I was on this search for Like people like I just didn't belong in you or like a where do I belong?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Like the people I was working with in the engineering World at the time were not into health, they weren't, they weren't working out.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I wasn't finding connections there and and so I was.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I was seeking this out and I find group fitness.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You know, I find I didn't know much about it and but then when I got into it I was like man, this, it felt like Back being in sports, right, I found people and very similar feeling, yeah, and then you know, fast forward to the day, like one of one of the amazing things and what I love about you know my position and the job that the life I have is seeing those deeper connections use a phrase called uncommon bonds this, this act of working out right, we all we go to a gym.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: You can work out anywhere.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: You can Google, hit training and get a workout right.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: The workouts I mean, I have a big part in programming the workouts and and there is some some Artistic creativity that comes into some of this to get people to show up right, but the reality is just workout.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You can get a workout anywhere.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But the why, what I, what I believe and what I see is these uncommon bonds that are created through Suffering, right through suffering, through a workout, like we do Memorial Day Murph every year, and it's become a national Phenomenal.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Now we've been doing them, we do instance, we heard about it, right, but that, that Emotional response you get, like working out with other people and then getting the high five and at the end You're just like you said, like before, like man, I feel great, like it sucked when I was doing it, but man, I'm gonna walk out of here and I just found a whole new group of people.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: They're gonna support me if I don't show up.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: They're gonna shoot me a text.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: And it's not just the coaches, these are the members within the cell, within, within the system, and and this isn't a good Like where you at yeah, exactly, and this isn't it's like I know I should have went.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's like if I don't show up, man Mass can be looking for I don't let these guys down.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm kind of took a little.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: That's good site.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, but that's good though for the.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I mean For people who are driven and like hence the driven athlete podcast, right, awesome.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But for people who are like a little more motivated, driven or searching for something else like that, the group fitness Field industry can definitely be a great, you know, a great Supplement, you know, for that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely because I definitely find myself in that same boat too.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: You know, my wife also played sports.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: She was a soccer player.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Do you want?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Soccer player for a while?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So we're in the same boat, you know.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And navigating two kids at home it's always challenging, but that's where I'm, like it's okay If I, if I just move a little bit and did some kind of physical movement but I didn't like break PRs today, it doesn't matter, but I did it right and I consistently stay on that path.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be way better off for the long term versus, like Expecting myself to give a hundred percent workout every time.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: It's not even healthy anyway, right, right, but anyway, that's cool, that's awesome.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: So you, how do you navigate then your own workouts?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Like, do you because you have a kid, you have your son, it's six and a half your business owner, franchise owner, right?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: How do you navigate your own workouts?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I like timing.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I, I have learned to protect my time when you know I live and die by my calendar, right, like I got to put on the calendar, so don't forget to do it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I have three calendars that I go.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Sorry, do I have anything here?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: No, here, no here.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're good.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Now we're good, I can plan it and I picked this up from I forget who it was, but something I heard early on when I became a business owner right, it was to make a date with yourself or protect your personal time.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: So schedule it and then do it like you see it as a priority.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: So I schedule my workouts right.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So I, I do this.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: You workout For the most part five days a week.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Sometimes on Saturdays I'll go in.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: If I've got Teddy Saturday mornings, a lot of times we'll go do play dates or go do an activity because he's already been in the gym With me most, most of the week, right, um, I.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And then what I found now too, is I like the, I've gotten into Brazilian jiu-jitsu Two years into that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Um, that was a struggle for me where, like, working out is my, you know it's the business, right, so, but I've always worked out.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I mean I've been, I mean I should I go go back to like t-ball?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I remember running laps, right, like I mean that's just been built into me forever, which a lot of people don't have, that, but I've got that as a habit.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: So then the Brazilian jiu-jitsu became like my, my outside, like is my mental part where I can kind of something for me specifically and and that I struggled with like kind of in and out.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I'd go for a little while, but then I'd feel like guilty because I need to get this work done and and I wouldn't do my me time, so I ended up scheduling that as well.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: So Wednesdays and Fridays I rolled you just in the morning, love it Still get my workout in, and then you get in the recovery aspect For my own fitness.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: You have to respect, kind of your, your body.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: So that's right, come see y'all, yeah.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I got.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I got a date every Thursday at 10 o'clock with, yeah, dr Hunter, you know he's helping me, stay, stay in the game.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: You know, again, I love the driven athlete, where you know whether you're a professional athlete and you're driven and you're competing for for your job or for money or for Whatever your competition is if you're a high school kid.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But there's also the driven, the driven athlete of like you know, I feel like that there's I made this statement a while back like there's an athlete in all of us, right?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So we're all driven and I think that accomplishing a workout for the average Joe just comes in the gym and their day-to-day routine is like it's it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You still need that drive.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It's accomplishing something right, and then it just helps you with the rest of them.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so yeah, do the same to, just to.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: And then I find, you know, I get my PT and Yoga.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I try to do a hot yoga class, cool, um, once, once a week.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And again, y'all, anybody listening is like man, that's a lot like how do you have time to do that?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: You know the time blocking man.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: It's a you, just, you just have to block it, man.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I still, I'm still working.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: You know, 40 50 hours a week.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I don't work the 60 hour shifts like I used to like.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I kind of heard that down because I've reprioritized and Try to become more efficient and active in my time.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, working time, but I'm a huge fan of block scheduling and just fitting things in.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You know, it's because everyone's busy, it's just priorities like what are you prioritizing?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So it's like, well, why would you proud that's what you get into the wise to of?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, you want to prioritize this.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Why a little bit deeper, why more?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And that's gonna help Even promote that, that priority, even further and it just can grain it over a long period of time.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: And then having people like mind it around you because you are who you hang out with, right we talked about this before another podcast and stuff and I totally agree with it Like there's studies about it totally conformity into, like just your group of who you're with.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: So it's like you are that if you were to take the five people to hang out with most and put them in a mixing pot, you are the average of the five people to hang out with most.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: So it's like you could purposely choose and like what groups you want to be right, yeah, very similar.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Like a job right.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Where it's like I was told this a while back.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Where it's like, look at your immediate supervising boss, you're gonna be them in five years.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Do you like that or not?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah or not cool, like I don't want to be like that guy, or like I don't want to be here in that position, or like in that state, like they're gonna change, you know, yeah.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I totally agree, like as you are who you hang out with, so I can see where the fit, the hit, and Group fitness classes are really good because it attracts the like-minded people and then you don't want to let them down.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: You want to maintain your own goals too, and you end up morphing into, like those type of people you know anything.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: But, and the blue with the block, scheduling, right, yeah, I'm a huge fan of that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: People are everyone's busy.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's just priorities, in my opinion, and if you want to prioritize what you want, then you'll fit it in right, and then scheduling and protecting your time is a huge thing.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: With that like to make it consistent, and I totally agree, right, because there's people who are very busy that still work out five days a week, right.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And then I hear other people why it's just like what's?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: It's cool, that's where you're at, like, I'm not gonna judge anybody, right, and we can help shed light maybe on these, this area of time management.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: You're very busy and you have two kids, then you're done like you're screwed.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You're right, you'll never be able to work out again.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But then there's a person B who has three kids and they're actually working full-time too and they're married, that you know responsibility, but they're able to do it also.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the difference here?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Let's peel back some layers, dude.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: There's something going on.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: That's a priority.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Easy, quick fix too.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Let's look at your phone real quick, pull up your time.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, it's like screen time.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I like, did I bring my phone in here?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I can call my like, call myself out, all right, it's like I don't have time, right, let's pull up your screen time real quick.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I just found you two more hours, yeah, a day.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Do you think you fit in like four hours a week for a workout?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I think I could, and I just found you to a day, by the way.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: So you're good, you know you got me dang it, you know, yeah, and starting somewhere too, like you don't have to Necessarily train every day, right, right, like if you just start with two days a week, three days, we just start with something.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally right.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And that was the mindset I had when I, when I started the my jujitsu journey Two years ago, was like I, when I got into it, like this is forever, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna keep doing this as long as I can.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't sign up like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna do this and see how it goes.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: It was like I mean, I thought about it long enough.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: You know, you get a jocco.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Podcast I do talks about role.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I mean he's just like the man's man, right?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: No, and I love his books and I love his yeah his approach to life.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I love jocco like you know, I'm just gonna go do it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I was like I finally was, you know, and I got my kid, you know, I got him in into the martial arts.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's doing it, cool.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's more like MMA.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: They're not doing the the hands-on like Brazilian jujitsu yet, but they're doing the kids classes.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: But man, that's what, like we say, like the people that you're around, like that's, that's what I love about what I fell in and what I've fallen in love with is, you know, I'm the the bottom of the total pole when I go into this class, right, like there's a lot of brown belts and, you know, a higher level belts in there and yeah and being around the people like I found a group that, again, they're not in there for competition with it, where I train like there are some competitive Schools out there, but for where I'm at in my life.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not looking to be a competitive Martial artist, right?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just doing this for me, I'm doing this for my mind, I'm doing this for my body, and these guys are, they've become mentors, right, like they're not.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: They're not trying to break my arm, right, they're gonna show me where I went wrong and then they're raising you up, right.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: So I found what we've created at you from an athletic conditioning perspective and I found that in so at More of a skill acquisition.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say what do you like most about Brazilian jujitsu?
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I like the mental game.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I like that and I like the challenge, you know, because you go in there and If I like, the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know, but in that and it for me because it's it's, you know, the workout is my business.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So I'm, you know, just I know there may be some gym owners out there that don't work out every day, but like it's just kind of who I am.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: So it became a challenge where I do have to mentally commit Thursdays.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I wake up, I'm like man, shoulder hurts me back sore, and I it's easy to just take the day off.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Man, like I.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: You know, with my life I Don't have to go to work like physically, like a lot of people do.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: No one's gonna know I'm not working, like I could choose not to go do jujitsu in the morning, but I show up.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So that challenge of just showing up and I love like master wall I've still on some of his stuff is like patience and consistency.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: He repeats that at the end of every single class.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: It's just patience and consistency.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: That's cool and you just keep.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: You know, and they got up on the wall at my kid.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I love this.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Getting branded into his head is like a black belt is a white belt that never quits, and that's that's a good approach.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just didn't stop?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, would it be unreasonable to think that you wouldn't gain the skills over the period of five years to become like a brown, purple, brown, black?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, I'd be unreasonable think that you wouldn't right?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Of course you would right, and just don't quit.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: That's, that's cool.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I like that and the journey is long.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: You know, and I don't know much.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm new to it, so I don't know all the quote, I don't know all the intricacies super.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I've never done before so but you know, I think, I think a black belt journey for a lot of people's, all it's like a decade or more.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Okay wow, right, you think about like that's a long time to do something and that's assuming you're consistently training, right like?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you say consistent, like let's say, a decade of time, three days a week, twice a week, five days a week.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say I probably the two to three days a week Come of training.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: But then the consistency, meaning like you don't take three months off.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah right like you, just you know maybe you miss a day here or there, but the consistency of weekly, every, on a weekly basis, your training, yeah gotcha.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask that your block schedule protecting your time, yeah, put in your calendar.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about like actual nuts and bolts and tactics.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: What type of calendar do you use?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Do you have a paper calendar to use Google calendar?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: You have a board calendar, google calendar, google counter I'm a big Google counter myself, yeah, yeah, so you just create like events and times and stuff.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah and then reminders on there too.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cool.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, and then I also put reminders like I'll set an alarm on my phone Because you know I have.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I think this is some of the training of being a baseball player in a picture Like I can get like dialed in, you know, I can.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I like the rest of the world doesn't exist while I'm working on a project, so I'll also use my phone and set up an alarm five minutes before I'm supposed to be like wake you on a zoom or like just could get me out of whatever I'm doing.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah cuz, I'll do that too.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I'll get in the zone and be like holy crap in three hours yeah, my back hurts from sitting so long, you know.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Like I kind of stand up, dang it, that's cool.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about the vulnerability thing and I thought about More, about what wasn't to say with that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Like people are, they would park in the, in the parking, the parking lot, and just watch and then like I want to drive away right, submit a form, be like I'm interested Crickets don't hear anything Six months later.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And they're like I think I'm going to go in there and talk to these people.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Right, and from my understanding, from the thing I was read, I know I mean like I'm a big jockel fan, I'm a big like self help book person.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like dude, I can learn so much from these experts.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean Different mind frames and mindsets and stuff, perspective shifts.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But anyway, with vulnerability, off from what I've heard, collectively in these people's opinions, it's usually a fear of rejection or fear of judgment and then fear of failure, right, yeah, and oftentimes like if you go to a gym and there's like very, very fit individuals have been exercising for a long time, or like the Jiu Jitsu experts.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: You know they've been in for a long time.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Those are the, not the people that are going to judge or reject you.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: In my opinion I've noticed this and I'm like I've reflected on it makes total sense, right, if you go into a, a, a global gym, and there's, like you know, very muscular individuals that are very in shape they're Jim, jim rats, right and then somebody who has never really worked out before and they're really concerned.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: They're nervous, intimidated and they're scared, worried about fear of rejection, of people being like look at this person coming in here, you don't belong here.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you, if you were to walk up to any of those very fit individuals at the gym and be like hey, can you like help me, like show me what this is, I guarantee you those people will be pumped and they'll be like dude, let me show you everything.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: They'll be like all in, but like high five for coming in, like I'm proud of you and like let me show you everything I know, right, let me help you.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Whereas, if that's the case, and those are the people that aren't going to reject and like past judgment and your fear of rejection of people who would, who do you think actually would pass judgment and be a reject mindset?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: It's usually the people that are kind of upset at themselves that they're not doing what you're doing.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: So it's like the crabs in the crab cage, right?
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: They're like pulling the crabs from not getting out, right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's usually the people that are holding you back, that are ones going to pass judgment and reject.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: So I was like that makes total sense.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: So then, who, like what?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: What's the actual fear of rejection here?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Then it's the other people that are usually you're upset at.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Themselves are not taking the steps that you're willing to take, so you're going to let them like pull you back, when the experts and the ones that are like super committed and like really into it they're the ones are going to like pump you up and like high five and be like dude, awesome for you to come in here.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you everything I know.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Would you agree with that?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree 100%, and I think that's before, like with some of the things you've read.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're all, to a certain degree, broken people, right?
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Like in a broken world, to get that from my pastor church we go to.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And so then there's broken people to know they're broken and then there's broken people that don't think they're broken right, and I think a lot of the judgment comes because they are.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: They're in security.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: And so the only way they know how to respond is to criticize, you know, or to judge somebody else, and you know, it's just.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I think everyone goes on their own journey.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, the vulnerability is huge, man, but you're 100% right, like everybody wants to help, you know you look at that, you have a culture of help, like in our gyms, and I think if you ask, ask you for a favor I mean you got to pick up truck.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I suppose you drive a truck.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You know you're going to help someone move, yeah, right, but you like to do that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: You feel good helping other people.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, that's awesome, man, because you're a driven individual, you've played, you're, you know, highly qualified person.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: What's the hardest thing you've ever done?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Hardest thing I've ever done.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: So you can answer this two ways.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I get two.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Say in in start with the physical part of it the hardest thing I've ever done physically.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: We did a buddy of mine send me a text.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: He's like, hey, he's, and this guy's does iron.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: You know Ironman athlete, right, he's an interned guy.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not the interned guy, but he's like, hey, no one else will do this with me.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: We do this race with me.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: It's this adventure race.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: 72 hour adventure race it was.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: It didn't be a very cool experience, but it was like from the west coast of Florida, the east coast of Florida.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Now, when I read this it was like, all right, 72 hour adventure race.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I'm familiar with adventure racing, not super expert on it or anything, but I'm familiar with it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: In my mind I'm like, okay, three days we'll camp out.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I'm picturing like this like, okay, we'll race her in the day, we'll build a campfire and sleep in the tent, get up the next morning and just continue.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and come to find out he really didn't even understand what adventure racing was Like.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's cool, let's do it, yeah, so.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: So this experience, though, like one of the one of the highlights of the trip was we're on the bus, you know.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: So we drove up and you know they bus you the other coast and you got to race your way back crust state.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: And when they hand out all the maps there's like 27 maps that we've got to use.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: And I mean, he's just back at a mat and we're sitting on the bus and everybody, everybody on the bus is like they got their paper and they're making notes and they're all talking and like what are they doing?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: We have no idea what we got ourselves into.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: And so then, as we get over there and they drop us off, you know it's, this is nonstop.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Like this is not like a half, like let's go down a trail and find some checkpoints, or.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: But my buddy, when we got into it, he's like hey, what's a checkpoint?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: That's the whole purpose of this race.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I thought you were.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: We are wildly unprepared for this.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: And for those of you I might be listening, watching, like you know, checkpoint went on the map.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: You get a map and you've got kind of a.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: You get broad general direction that you got to go and there's these points on a map that you got to go find.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: And then they have every race is a little bit different, but they've got these little punch cards like hanging from a tree and you got to punch it.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: And then you got your transition areas, which is as you're making your way across the state.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, physically, I mean we were it's tracking.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I can't really call it running.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: We might have jogged the first checkpoint, canoeing and biking and like mountain bike, right, and you're off, you know you're on trails and you're doing it over.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: So we, we went from the West Coast to the East Coast and, yeah, I never hallucinated in my life and I hallucinated three times just from, I guess, sleep deprivation, physical exhaustion, yeah, yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: So, boogeyman bro, I get me was crazy, but I got blisters, man, Big foot up there I think.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I think I slept about 30, 35 minutes, calculated roughly, in that 72 hour time period.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Wow, we took a few breaks but for the most part we were moving nonstop and you know, hardest, but one of the coolest experiences of my life.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: And I I still don't know if I was hallucinating or not, but like there's a moment we were going down the river and the canoe.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: We were in the canoe I think it was a 47 miles or something.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: We were in the fight 18 hours ridiculous.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Right, we're just paddling, we took one, we took a break, I tried to take a nap and I'm like shivering on the bank of the river, Like it's crazy.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's this moment where it's like the moon like filled up the entire sky.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: You know, as I'm going and we're whining through this and it was just one of those epic, like movie moments that doesn't even it's so surreal.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: And again, I believe it was real.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I could have been hallucinating, I don't know.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I'm choosing to believe it is real, Choosing you to believe it was real.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that was physically.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: That was probably the hardest thing I ever did.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: You know, when we got done, but it was again going back to the group fitness man, I did it with a buddy of mine and it was awesome, man, Like we learned so much about each other.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: We, we, we fell apart, we picked each other up we, we buddied up with other teams that helped us when they knew we were.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: We got lost a couple times.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: The whole experience was amazing, that's really cool.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I say that from an emotional perspective, it was kind of talked about being vulnerable and we went through divorce and divorce is just not fun in any way.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: But without getting into the the the details of the divorce, the hardest part for me was learning about shame, right, like understanding why I was feeling the way I was feeling right, and going back all the way to, like you know, people that may be struggling in life, like they may be depressed, depression.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Depression is a real thing.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I still experience it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I'll have mornings where, kind of those mornings I was talking about, like I'm feeling sore.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Really I'm feeling a little bit of depression, like I don't know if I'm going to get out of bed today, not feeling super motivated, but knowing that there's a group.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: You know, for me it could be the gym, it could be they just grew up but yeah, but that was going through.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: That was very difficult and and I found people that helped me, that kind of reach back and raised me up, and that was an emotional experience, that that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: But when I identified what that was right, like it was the first time in my life I mean, I was Six and a half years ago, 38 years old.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: For a time in life I think I acknowledged emotions exist.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I like you kind of get that like man's man kind of stoic personality that you're just like okay, I'm not, okay, I have to be good, right, I'm my business owner, I'm now a dad like I'm not allowed to, to not be okay, yeah, but.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: But I think facing that was one of my greatest Accomplishments.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: For me personally is like being able to self-reflect.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: So I'd say those two things, physically, that race, definitely one of the hardest things I've ever done.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: But then emotionally, you know, getting through the divorce, working through the shame I felt and coming out the other side and having an amazing story to tell and now being able to reach back and help other people Work through there.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: So I still got people raising me up because there's things you got to face.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I got people that are kind of fresh in it, that are that are trying to figure it out, and I'm raising them up.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: So that's pretty cool.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: No thanks for sharing man, that's cool and I would imagine, like the, the fitness element and then well, presented you to.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: You've been in that for two years just two years, yeah, I would imagine, but same kind of concept.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: It's something just to help keep keep you on a track that you're looking for.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I would imagine that's been really helpful.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So are you playing another 72 hour journey, you know?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: It's funny I Telling someone a story about it the other day and I went on just because the race is coming up.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's like it's a couple weeks away Okay, the one for this year, like their annual event, right?
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: And I sent my buddy attacks.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey bro, I put us on the waiting list because it sold out, right?
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Sure panic.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Coming back the other way, he's like no, no, no no, no, you didn't know what.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like yeah, dude, you're in, but but yeah, I definitely in the future of a hundred percent man, but it's, it hasn't.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: You know, this was two years ago.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I had some presented opportunity to do it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I did another adventure race, a shorter one, which was you know, when you go through that 72 hours, uh, you know, not not to take away from a 12 to 18 hour race.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: They're still challenging, but not quite the same level, yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I would do it again for sure.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, yeah that's insane, though, yeah, it's like what do we do?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: What's checkpoint?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Like what are we doing?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Like back of an Afghan, like we're going here?
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: It's like these people are planning and Strategizing.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, thank you for coming in.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Man, thanks for seeing your story.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I'm telling more about you guys and what Hugh does, and like Just more of your background and stuff, but if people want to reach out to you and they have questions or anything, what's the best way they can?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: They can reach you.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, email Randall, a randall at hue, fitness calm, that's an email, okay post.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know how else you want them to yeah, no Phone out there.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Personal cell phone.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Personal cell phone and most people got it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I got it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: That's cool, man.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, um, and if y'all have any questions like we're always open to suggestions and Questions or other topics you want me to want to explore, or guests and stuff so definitely reach out.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: The best way to reach us is our Instagram, is athlete restoration co underscore between athlete restoration and underscore before co, and then our email team at athlete RC calm.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Or you just go on our website and again, man, thanks for coming in.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.
• 48:45
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