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Credlin | 9 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Krendlin live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight on Kredline. The truth of the COVID over
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Speaker 2: each finally coming out of I don't think you had
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Speaker 2: any doubts about it.
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Speaker 3: I certainly didn't.
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Speaker 2: It was all about politics, not health, driving those premiers.
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Speaker 2: At the same time too astrazenkas pulling that vaccine. I'll
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Speaker 2: discuss what needs to happen now so that we don't
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Speaker 2: repeat the same mistakes in the future. We Former PM
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbot will also cover the warnings he got on
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Speaker 2: a recent trip overseas about energy and our immigration issues.
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Speaker 2: A rare moment of common sense from the Labor Minister
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Speaker 2: when it comes to gas. However, the pragmatic Medline King
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Speaker 2: has an uphill battle not just with the Greens and
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Speaker 2: the Teals, but also inside Labor as she pushes them
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Speaker 2: to develop more gas rather than ban it. At shocking
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Speaker 2: seventy five percent funding cut to one of Australia's premiere
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Speaker 2: cancer research centers, just at the very time that our
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Speaker 2: country's cancer rates are surging, and that military incident with
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Speaker 2: China got a whole lot worse today, with Beijing now
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Speaker 2: claiming our naval helicopter.
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Speaker 3: Was on a spy mission.
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Speaker 2: It's still no move from the Prime Minister to defend
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Speaker 2: our military personnel. Too focused on cow towing to pick
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Speaker 2: up the phone.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister should be on the phone today to
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Speaker 4: the Chinese President to say this is completely and utterly
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Speaker 4: unacceptable and we won't tolerate it. So you can't treat
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Speaker 4: our soldiers and sailors and men and women like this.
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Speaker 2: At first reading the headlines today, it would be easy
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Speaker 2: to think that the Albanezer government had suddenly seen the
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Speaker 2: light on gas.
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Speaker 3: The Australian ran.
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Speaker 2: New gas supply central to net zero laboured back more gas,
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Speaker 2: said the Australian Financial Review, and today Resources Minister Madeline
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Speaker 2: King released the federal government's future gas strategy that she
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Speaker 2: said was based on facts and data, not ideology or
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Speaker 2: wishful thinking. In the powerful op aired, the Labor Minister
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Speaker 2: said a future made in Australia will need Australian gas.
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Speaker 2: We will need affordable energy, she says, or gas to
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Speaker 2: support energy reliability for households and businesses. As we move
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Speaker 2: to a more renewable grid. We need gas to support
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Speaker 2: Australian manufacturing and tens of thousands of jobs our region, said.
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Speaker 2: The Minister needs gas to warm our homes and cook
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Speaker 2: our meals and to power the great cities of Asia.
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Speaker 2: Turning off gas overnight, warned Minister King will do untold
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Speaker 2: damage to our economy, impede efforts to get to net zero,
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Speaker 2: and have a severe impact on our region. The Minister
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Speaker 2: pointed out that Australia currently supplies about twenty percent of
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Speaker 2: the world's gas, earning US more than seventy billion in
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Speaker 2: export income this year. Gas, she said, powers five million
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Speaker 2: Australian homes supports more than eighty thousand jobs.
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Speaker 4: Two.
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Speaker 2: Minister Madeline King should be said, is dead right on
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Speaker 2: all counts. But is she speaking for the government or
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Speaker 2: just herself because in the Australians report this is her
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Speaker 2: op ed. There's this telling remark quote. Ms King said
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Speaker 2: she hoped this view was shared by all the cabinet,
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Speaker 2: shared by all the cabinet.
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Speaker 3: That's her hope.
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Speaker 2: I doubt it would be entirely shared by cabinet colleague,
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Speaker 2: the climate evangelist and anti fossil fuel campaigner Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 2: Despite his tempered recent endorsement of Gas Prime Minister too.
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Speaker 2: He was pretty tempered today.
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Speaker 5: We support net zero A gas and its firming capacity
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Speaker 5: is a part of assisting with that pathway.
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Speaker 2: And that pro gas position of King Well, that's certainly
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Speaker 2: not shared by Victorian Labor, which tends to call the
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Speaker 2: tune for labor everywhere else. Victorian labor has banned new
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Speaker 2: gas connections to homes flame. There's no point in new
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Speaker 2: gas exploration given they want to ban gas. The ban fracking,
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Speaker 2: even though it's routinely used to maximize gas extraction in
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Speaker 2: labor run Queensland.
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Speaker 6: Gas costs much more than electricity.
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Speaker 7: The cheapest and most reliable form of new energy is
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Speaker 7: renewable electricity.
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Speaker 4: And that's why we've made some announcements in relation to
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Speaker 4: new planning permits and gas.
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Speaker 3: What to lie there.
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Speaker 2: Late last year, the Resources Minister Lily dan Brosio tweeted
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Speaker 2: getting off gas is better for your bills, better for
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Speaker 2: your health and better for the climate. And it's not
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Speaker 2: just Labour's dominant green left faction that's allergic to all
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Speaker 2: fossil fills, including gas, even though gas has got about
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Speaker 2: half the emissions of coal and is essential to firm
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Speaker 2: intermittent when and solar woke. Public companies are also anti
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Speaker 2: fossil fuel now too anti gas. In fact, the ABC
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Speaker 2: Bank today announcing it would no longer lend to U
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Speaker 2: coal or gas projects except international emergency. The A and
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Speaker 2: Z has reportedly told its investors it would move to
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Speaker 2: block further funding for extraction projects, even though it acknowledged
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Speaker 2: and I quote gas plays a material and important part
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Speaker 2: in meeting Australia's current energy needs and will do so
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Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future. So the federal label government, or
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Speaker 2: at least one minister in it, thinks gas is essential.
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Speaker 2: The Victorian labor government thinks it gas is deplorable. And
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Speaker 2: I think it's corporates and institutional lenders. Well, they think
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Speaker 2: gas is essential, but still won't lend money to develop
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Speaker 2: it any wonder our country is in a mess.
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Speaker 3: Finally today too.
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Speaker 2: In truth about Australia's COVID response, the former Federal Health
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Speaker 2: Minister Greg Hunt made a personal submission to the federal
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Speaker 2: government's COVID inquiry, and in it he slammed the state
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Speaker 2: governments for making decisions that were not subject to health advice.
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Speaker 2: We all know that here in Victoria, in particular, the
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Speaker 2: Andrews government was not following the medical science. They were
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Speaker 2: following political science. As Greek Hunt makes clear, there was
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Speaker 2: no health advice to have a curfew, no health advice
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Speaker 2: to limit people to within five kilometers of their home,
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Speaker 2: and certainly no health advice not to use police and
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Speaker 2: the military to run hotel quarantine.
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Speaker 3: Here's what he just said to Chris Kenny in the
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Speaker 3: last hour.
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Speaker 8: They highlighted in the submission that I was not aware
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Speaker 8: of medical advice for curfews in Victoria or for the
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Speaker 8: five kilometer rule, and I believe there was some discuss
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Speaker 8: at the time that there was not a medical basis,
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Speaker 8: and there was not. If you had to have medical advice,
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Speaker 8: then those elements would arguably never have occurred, and I
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Speaker 8: think that would have been a good outcup.
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Speaker 2: Rightly, the former minister acknowledged that our presumptions of individual
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Speaker 2: freedom came under real threat during the pandemic. As you,
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Speaker 2: I think this current federal inquiry is ludicrously short.
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Speaker 3: The full Royal Commission.
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Speaker 2: Needed into every aspect to the handling of the pandemic,
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Speaker 2: the border closures, the loss of freedoms, educational setbacks, particularly
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Speaker 2: for kids, the mental health impacts of suicides, all that
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Speaker 2: happened as a result, as well as the billions and
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Speaker 2: billions we spent as taxpayers that now seems almost criminal.
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Speaker 3: In its profligacy.
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Speaker 2: In some states, we're still paying for COVID, as the
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Speaker 2: Victorian budget revealed this week, with the state's COVID debt
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Speaker 2: Levey set to rake in five point five billion dollars
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Speaker 2: right up to twenty twenty seven, some five years after
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Speaker 2: the pandemics officially ended. At federal level, Australians deserve to
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Speaker 2: know why the Commonwealth's carefully prepared plandemic pans were junked
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Speaker 2: in panic by Scott Morrison at the start of March
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Why there was never any cost of benefit
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Speaker 2: analysis done on any of the lockdowns, Why the parliaments
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Speaker 2: were shut while vaccine mandates were imposed on the states
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Speaker 2: despite the federal government saying that they should not happen. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: here in Victoria, firefighters are still stood down now even
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Speaker 2: now for refusing to get a vaccine. Well that vaccine
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Speaker 2: in particular one of them. It's been withdrawn because of
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Speaker 2: its health risks, including death by serious blood clots.
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Speaker 9: These mandates that the mandates have been enforced have injured firefighters,
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Speaker 9: and you've got firefighters on work coming out due to
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Speaker 9: vaccine injury, so their plight is very serious and any
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Speaker 9: continuance of these matters after the twelfth is going to
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Speaker 9: have a devastating impact on those who are injured and
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Speaker 9: those who are still stood.
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Speaker 2: That Victorian firefighter there can't go back to work because
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Speaker 2: he won't have a vaccine and won't have a vaccination,
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Speaker 2: and we've had that vaccine that he's scared about, that
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Speaker 2: he's had binnacled injuries about has now been withdrawn from
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Speaker 2: the market. Doesn't make sense in New South Wales likewise,
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Speaker 2: police there those who have refused to be vaccinated can't
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Speaker 2: get back into their old jobs either.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: To me, Hunt goes too far and is praised the
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Speaker 2: Morrison government's response in his submission, particularly the national Cabinet
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Speaker 2: process which turned Morrison from being our national leader the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister into a mere committee chairman. And anyway, the
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Speaker 2: Fans could have taken control from the start if they
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Speaker 2: had invoked provisions of the Bio Security Act. But Hunt
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Speaker 2: right to demand that in any future pandemic, no unilateral
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Speaker 2: decisions could be made without the transparency his stays a
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Speaker 2: signed and published so made public in the media. Health
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Speaker 2: advice because we must never again respond to a pandemic
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Speaker 2: with measures do much more harm than the disease itself. Right,
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Speaker 2: let's go to Camber now, cam Redden with the headlights.
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Speaker 4: Good evening.
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Speaker 10: Beijing has accused Australia's Navy of spying on its military
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Speaker 10: exercises prior to a confrontation in the Yellow Sea. A
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Speaker 10: Navy helicopter was enforcing United Nations sanctions in international waters
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Speaker 10: on Saturday when a Chinese jet fired flares in its
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Speaker 10: flight path, forcing the pilot to take evasive action.
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Speaker 5: This action by China was unprofessional and unacceptable.
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Speaker 10: Beijing initially claimed the chopper had approached its airspace in
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Speaker 10: a threatening way, now accusing it of conducting close in
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Speaker 10: reconnaissance spying on three occasions.
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Speaker 11: Well, there's no evidence to support the Chinese government's claims.
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Speaker 5: I stand by what we have said.
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Speaker 10: Labor has confirmed gas will play a crucial long term role.
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Speaker 6: As part of Australia's energy mix.
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Speaker 12: There has to be a discussion and an assessment of
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Speaker 12: how all energy sources fit within that journey.
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Speaker 10: A new strategy confirms new sources of gas supply will
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Speaker 10: be needed. To aid the energy transition and remain in
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Speaker 10: the system beyond twenty fifty.
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Speaker 13: The government seems, after two years, to finally realize what
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Speaker 13: everybody else has been saying.
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Speaker 10: Labor is now threatening Australian lives and fast tracking climate collapse. Tomorrow,
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Speaker 10: the High Court will decide whether another one hundred and
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Speaker 10: seventy immigration detainees should be released into the community. An
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Speaker 10: Iranian detainee, known as ASF seventeen, is refusing deportation and
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Speaker 10: fighting for his release. If he wins, others in a
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Speaker 10: similar situation could also be let out of detention.
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Speaker 4: On the legal advice that I've seen, I think the
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Speaker 4: Government will win this case.
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Speaker 10: Opposition Leader Peter Dutton giving the strongest indication yet the
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Speaker 10: Coalition may back proposed powers the Government says will help
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Speaker 10: it deal with non cooperative detainees.
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Speaker 4: Will support tightening of laws. We've put forward some sensible
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Speaker 4: suits and so let's see what the court says.
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Speaker 10: The High Court will deliver its decision at ten am
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Speaker 10: in Canberra tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Right Jordy me now to discuss those headlines and more.
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Speaker 2: Media writer for The Australian Sophie Elsworth and deputy executive
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Speaker 2: director at the Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wild Well,
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Speaker 2: welcome to you both. Dan, I want to start with this.
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Speaker 2: I have to call it mixed messaging from labour today.
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Speaker 2: I mean very clear from Madeline King. She supports gas.
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Speaker 2: She's a resources minister, frankly one of the strongest performers
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Speaker 2: I have on the front bench. She says we've got
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Speaker 2: to have gas in order to to net zero. That's
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Speaker 2: the right call obviously, but the Greens and the Tills
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Speaker 2: are squealing. And then there's a concern in her language
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Speaker 2: where she says, look, I hope my colleagues in cabinet
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Speaker 2: share this view.
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Speaker 3: Online is you can shouldn get them over the line,
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Speaker 3: Daniel Sofa.
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Speaker 1: The track record isn't good. She is one of the
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Speaker 1: strongest performers in government. From the start. She has been
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Speaker 1: outlining the problems in the energy system. We need to
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Speaker 1: open up our gas reserves and get more gas onto
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Speaker 1: the market. But I think you build the cat on
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Speaker 1: this earlier in the week when you said the wheels
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Speaker 1: are falling off the government, Well, this is another example.
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Speaker 1: Net zero doesn't work. It doesn't matter whether you have gas,
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Speaker 1: whether you have renewables. It's not a viable long term
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Speaker 1: policy for the future of Australia. Even Anthony Albanezi is
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Speaker 1: now having to concede that his marquee policy of net
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Speaker 1: zero powered by renewables only renewables everywhere just simply is
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Speaker 1: not working. And just to give you one example of
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Speaker 1: the broader importance of gas, we calculated that in the
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Speaker 1: eastern region of Victoria alone there is enough gas there
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Speaker 1: to power every single home Australia for over eighty years.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that this is locked up by net
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Speaker 1: zero and government regulation is a massive problem.
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Speaker 2: And two things there. You know, they always say we've
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Speaker 2: got a gas shortage. No we haven't. We've got a
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Speaker 2: supply shortage. Plenty of gas in the ground. But I
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Speaker 2: think they're probably mugged by reality. They're doing, you know,
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Speaker 2: the books for the budget on Tuesday night, and they
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Speaker 2: realize that their gas exports last year cost them or
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Speaker 2: earned them, sorry, earned Australia seventy billion dollars. If you
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Speaker 2: ban gas, where do you find seventy billion dollars?
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Speaker 6: Well, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 1: And the other point about being mugged by reality is
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Speaker 1: the lights are going to go out. I mean, we've
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Speaker 1: seen what happened in South Australia a number of years ago.
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Speaker 1: We've seen what's happened in Victoria recently we're half a
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Speaker 1: million homes were blacked out and Victoria has gone harder
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Speaker 1: and faster than any other state. And it's pursuit of
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Speaker 1: net zero. The writing is on the wall for the
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Speaker 1: government and as I say, even they are having to
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Speaker 1: concede that this is not viable.
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Speaker 2: Pam was in Perth yesterday bleeding votes. Polsters are saying
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Speaker 2: they're doing it really tough, particularly in the cost of
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Speaker 2: living sort of seats. We can understand why ruled out
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Speaker 2: going to see Nannette Simons. I think that was a
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Speaker 2: missed opportunity. I think it was a wrong call given
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Speaker 2: how vocal she's been, given how much those pictures so
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Speaker 2: have gone right around the country. And also there's been
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Speaker 2: some defense on attempt to defend themselves.
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Speaker 3: This is the West Australian Education.
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Speaker 2: Department who were warned by parents about this so called
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Speaker 2: teenage Gie Hardy using a Muslim prayer school, a prayer
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Speaker 2: room at a school. Apparently it's reported he's a convert
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Speaker 2: to Islam to radicalize other kids. I mean, there's so
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Speaker 2: many areas that the Prime minister has got these fires
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Speaker 2: that he's not putting out, that he's not dealing with.
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Speaker 3: This is a challenge for him at the moment.
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Speaker 7: Well, Peter, you're absolutely right with Nnette Simon's where he
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Speaker 7: did not go and see her, and she has been
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Speaker 7: vocal and good on her for having the courage to
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Speaker 7: stand up after her situation.
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Speaker 14: So you're right that.
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Speaker 7: Was a missed opportunity, but perhaps he thought it could
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Speaker 7: have not turned out how he wanted to if he
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Speaker 7: did go and see her and their work cameras there. Secondly,
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Speaker 7: with the teenager, there were concerns raised about him within
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Speaker 7: the school by parents. You know, he assaulted another student.
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Speaker 7: This was not new news to them.
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Speaker 2: But the Pean wants to make it about algorithms and
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Speaker 2: social media.
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Speaker 3: That's not right either.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's not right, but that's a good way, Peter,
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Speaker 7: as you know, to divert the attention blame everything on
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Speaker 7: social media, the tech giants, they're under the scrutiny at
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Speaker 7: the moment. Divert the issue and hopefully people will look
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Speaker 7: the other way. But again, a problem that he's not addressing,
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Speaker 7: and I think the public can see through that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might need to put his AZO chief and
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Speaker 2: his police chief back in the National Security Cabinet, you
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Speaker 2: might be a bit better informed. Interesting today the university
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Speaker 2: chiefs come out, you know this constant news headline about
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Speaker 2: the protests on campuses. I think they're a great shame
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Speaker 2: for all Australians to look at that. But they come
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Speaker 2: out and say, well, we need a ruling, We need
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Speaker 2: a definitive government ruling on the chant River to the Sea. Now,
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Speaker 2: Dennis Richardson, former ASIO chief saying it is a violent statement.
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Speaker 2: The chiefs aren't doing anything, they're not acting. And then
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Speaker 2: you've got the Trobe University saying if you want to
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Speaker 2: walk into a classroom, disrupt a classroom and spew your
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic venom around, throw it around the class, interrupt
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Speaker 2: a class have you say you can do that? Will
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Speaker 2: support you doing that, not just protesting out there in
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Speaker 2: the UNI square in the classroom.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's another example of the complete and total failure
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Speaker 1: of leadership of the vice chancellors. You do not need
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Speaker 1: a ruling on whether the River to the Sea is
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Speaker 1: lawful or not to know that it is wrong and
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Speaker 1: it is immoral and it should not be chanted on
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Speaker 1: your campus. So they're deflecting this off onto the government.
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Speaker 1: They need to take responsibility. They're getting paid a million
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Speaker 1: dollars a year tax paid dollars and they need a
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Speaker 1: ruling from the government. I get real. The other point
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Speaker 1: I'd make is there's been a litany of failures. We
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Speaker 1: saw the whole business model of universities collapsing COVID. We
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Speaker 1: know that universities are in doctrination factories that not educating
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Speaker 1: the next generation of students. And the only positive I
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Speaker 1: think to come out of this is more and more
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Speaker 1: Australians are seeing the complete moral vacuum on university campuses.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I both went to Melbourn Uni and
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Speaker 2: like a big campus, there might have been a few
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Speaker 2: rap bags around the edges when you went through to
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Speaker 2: get a coffee or a beer or whatever we sort.
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Speaker 3: Of do in those days.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, you knew you were privileged to get
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Speaker 2: a university education.
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Speaker 3: In those days. It wasn't a right, it was a privilege.
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Speaker 3: I don't know about your.
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Speaker 2: Parents, but your parents worked hard to help you get there,
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Speaker 2: and you took it seriously, and you did get your
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Speaker 2: classes interrupted by rad bags that was out of the classroom.
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Speaker 14: Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: Peter and the fact that they're saying, oh, if they
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Speaker 7: want to come into the classroom, let them speak for
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Speaker 7: up to five minutes and then you know, if this continues,
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Speaker 7: contact security.
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Speaker 14: No, no, this is not okay.
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Speaker 7: You were there, you were paying a lot in hex
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Speaker 7: fees to get your education.
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Speaker 14: You should not be interrupted whoever is interrupting you.
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Speaker 7: On whatever side of the argument, it is not okay,
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Speaker 7: and they need to stop this immediately. I think this
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Speaker 7: is weak and it shows that universities do not have
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Speaker 7: control of this.
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Speaker 2: The tax the government was going to put on universities
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Speaker 2: to deal with the housing crisis in and they bring
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Speaker 2: all these students in. They make billions of dollars out
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Speaker 2: of foreign students. The argument was, well, you're going to
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Speaker 2: pay a levy on these foreign students to help contribute
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Speaker 2: to the housing costs. The government's gone, we kids drop
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Speaker 2: that levee. Do you think the university should have been
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Speaker 2: paying something?
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Speaker 1: Of course they should be. I mean, the universities are
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Speaker 1: probably the most one of the most powerful lobby groups
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Speaker 1: in Australia. I'm not surprised the government back down. Look,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a favorite. I'm not in a fan of
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Speaker 1: higher taxes or newer taxes. If you're going to tax anyone,
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Speaker 1: it's the universities.
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Speaker 6: I mean they are rolling.
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Speaker 1: I likes user pay, so whatever we want to call it,
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Speaker 1: they are rolling in it. We know that foreign students
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Speaker 1: they on the eve of COVID one in three students
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Speaker 1: in Australia will overseas students in universities like the University
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Speaker 1: of Sydney which Mark Scott is the vice chancellor, former
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Speaker 1: ABC activist, it's fifty percent, almost fifty percent of all
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Speaker 1: students are overseas students. And even the government's own report
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Speaker 1: into international students showed that the communities with the highest
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Speaker 1: concentration of students are not benefiting from those students. The
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Speaker 1: benefits go to the universities, the costs are pushed onto
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Speaker 1: the community and it needs to be fixed.
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Speaker 2: This one shock men today in New Zealand, citizen serial
20:18
Speaker 2: domestic violence abuser will stay in Australia after the Administraive
20:22
Speaker 2: Appeals Tribune or Council plans to deport him. Immigration authorities
20:26
Speaker 2: had tried to counsel his visa. They flag that they'd
20:28
Speaker 2: send him back to New Zealand. In March twenty twenty three,
20:31
Speaker 2: he admitted to attacking his partner with a baseball bat.
20:35
Speaker 2: That followed a stalking conviction in twenty one, three separate
20:39
Speaker 2: DV convictions in twenty twenty, more domestic violence convictions in
20:43
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and twenty fifteen. I mean, honest to God, Sophie,
20:47
Speaker 2: we talk about domestic violence all that time, all the time,
20:52
Speaker 2: but this is in the government's bailia week. They make decisions.
20:56
Speaker 2: This guy now will remain in Australia. I hope to
21:00
Speaker 2: God the government appeals this. But Labey used to call
21:03
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton tough for deporting the bikeys and the criminals,
21:07
Speaker 2: particularly those he said back to New Zealand.
21:09
Speaker 3: This bloke should be gone.
21:11
Speaker 14: Already, Peter.
21:12
Speaker 7: That list you read out just kept going and going
21:15
Speaker 7: and going. And I do not think there will be
21:17
Speaker 7: many people watching tonight that would say it is okay
21:21
Speaker 7: that this man is allowed to stay in Australia. And
21:23
Speaker 7: this is where the government could really bring home the
21:26
Speaker 7: point that they are doing something about domestic violence.
21:29
Speaker 14: Here is their moment to seize.
21:31
Speaker 7: The opportunity and say this is not okay, and this
21:34
Speaker 7: is what we're doing.
21:35
Speaker 14: And they are not grabbing that.
21:36
Speaker 7: And I will say this is one issue that I
21:38
Speaker 7: think the government is quite different to in the approach
21:41
Speaker 7: that I believe Peter Dutton would take, and I don't
21:45
Speaker 7: believe he would allow this to go on and the
21:48
Speaker 7: Coalition would appeal this.
21:50
Speaker 2: And I don't think the Coalition would be delegating that
21:52
Speaker 2: sort of responsibility away from the minister just quickly. Tomorrow,
21:56
Speaker 2: it looks like in unger you and General Assembly we're
21:59
Speaker 2: going to get a show down on the issue of
22:01
Speaker 2: Palestine becoming a full UN member state. A lot of
22:05
Speaker 2: debate inside Labor on this when it last went to
22:08
Speaker 2: the floor I think was out of the Gillard government era.
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Speaker 3: Australia abstained.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't look like we're going to support VETO action
22:17
Speaker 2: with the United States, but there is some talk, crazy
22:20
Speaker 2: talk that we could actually vote for it.
22:22
Speaker 1: Well, we shouldn't have been voting for it because Palestine
22:25
Speaker 1: is not a nation state. That's the first hurdle. Now
22:27
Speaker 1: we can talk about a two state solution, but the
22:29
Speaker 1: precursor for that is having peace in the Middle East.
22:32
Speaker 1: You cannot have any progress if you believe in that
22:35
Speaker 1: towards Palestine being a state and then having some UN
22:38
Speaker 1: responsibilities when you've got a savage war which is raging
22:42
Speaker 1: that was started on October seven. That's going to be
22:44
Speaker 1: the first priority of government if.
22:46
Speaker 2: You're awad a terrorist state becoming a UN nation state
22:51
Speaker 2: on the basis of the atrocities we all read about
22:54
Speaker 2: on October seven. What does that do to the rule
22:57
Speaker 2: of law around the world.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly, And this is one of the key
23:01
Speaker 1: points that we've been saying all along, which is you
23:03
Speaker 1: cannot reward acts of terrorism. You know, Israel has a
23:06
Speaker 1: right to defend itself. It is a wrong move at
23:09
Speaker 1: this point in time to recognize Palestine as a state.
23:12
Speaker 1: You have to have the peace first before you do
23:14
Speaker 1: anything else.
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Speaker 3: Spot on, Thank you both, have a good weekend, all
23:17
Speaker 3: right after break.
23:18
Speaker 2: That's scathing assessment by a high ranking former Treasury official
23:22
Speaker 2: about the peems made in Australia policy that's wasting billions
23:25
Speaker 2: and billions of your dollars plus gas. Labor hated it.
23:29
Speaker 2: They love it again in Canberra, they still hated it
23:31
Speaker 2: in Victoria. The other states, well, who can tell any
23:34
Speaker 2: one of your power bills as through the roof where
23:35
Speaker 2: we can't even get the policy straight. And a massive
23:39
Speaker 2: High Court decision two our national parks. We'll see non
23:43
Speaker 2: Indigenous Australians eventually ban from the bush.
23:46
Speaker 3: Well, that's the worry.
23:52
Speaker 2: Welcome back Stiel to come, Tony Abbott. He'll join me
23:54
Speaker 2: to discuss the fallout today on pandemic revelations from former
23:58
Speaker 2: Health Minister Greg Hunt. Plus having just come back from overseas,
24:02
Speaker 2: we'll get the latest on nuclear energy China and the
24:06
Speaker 2: negative impact that mass migration is having on our standard
24:08
Speaker 2: of living in Australia. But first, last night I told
24:12
Speaker 2: you how our former senior Treasury official David Pearl called
24:16
Speaker 2: out the protectionism of Labour's Future Made in Australia policy
24:20
Speaker 2: in his column for The Australia.
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Speaker 3: Mister Pearl took issue with.
24:24
Speaker 2: The government's criteria for deciding which businesses receive funding. He
24:29
Speaker 2: says it's about as rigorous as a shape shifting blamnge.
24:33
Speaker 2: He also wrote the plan should be renamed a Future
24:36
Speaker 2: Made in a Focus Group and said that during his
24:39
Speaker 2: time in Treasury it would have been viewed as a blank.
24:42
Speaker 3: Check for policy.
24:44
Speaker 2: Folly well and pleased to say that bloke that doesn't
24:47
Speaker 2: mince his words. David Pearl joins me now, David, thank
24:52
Speaker 2: you for your time. I made the point last night
24:55
Speaker 2: We rarely see former senior public servants, particularly out of
24:59
Speaker 2: said agencies like Treasury, be as franken as fearless in
25:04
Speaker 2: the media domain as you have been. I know you
25:06
Speaker 2: often like that behind closed doors, but it was refreshing.
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Speaker 3: I have to say when I.
25:10
Speaker 2: Read your column you refer to this policy as protectionist
25:14
Speaker 2: Ponzi scheme. A protectionist Ponzi scheme? What do you mean
25:18
Speaker 2: by that?
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Speaker 12: Just before I get to that, thank you for having
25:22
Speaker 12: me on, Peter. Unfortunately, public servants and as frank behind
25:27
Speaker 12: closed doors as they used to be, and that's one
25:29
Speaker 12: of the reasons that I'm now writing in public. So
25:33
Speaker 12: I'm glad that you read the piece. To your question
25:36
Speaker 12: on the Ponzi scheme. Well, we've seen this movie before
25:39
Speaker 12: in Australia and it is remarkable that Anthony Abernisi and
25:43
Speaker 12: Jim Chalmers don't seem to be aware of Australia's history
25:46
Speaker 12: of protectionism and the post war era. Protection was offered
25:51
Speaker 12: to so called infant industries. As they received support, their
25:56
Speaker 12: customers in the corporate community suffered cost increases because they
26:00
Speaker 12: were purchasing inputs from inefficient firms. They then knocked on
26:04
Speaker 12: the door of Canberra and Whatre toed their support. So
26:07
Speaker 12: protectionism ended up being protection all round, to the point
26:11
Speaker 12: where the whole economy was effectively award of the state.
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Speaker 12: That's what I meant by the Ponzi scheme reference.
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Speaker 2: So what are your main concerns with this policy? I mean,
26:21
Speaker 2: I do think your point about it being focus group
26:23
Speaker 2: tested is absolutely right. I mean we're raining money on
26:26
Speaker 2: a whole range of companies. I want to get to
26:28
Speaker 2: their quantum computing one in a moment. But in broad terms,
26:32
Speaker 2: what upsets you the most?
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Speaker 12: I think the surprising thing protectionists always existed. Both parties
26:39
Speaker 12: engage in certain protectionism. I think the remarkable thing here
26:43
Speaker 12: is that it's being elevated under the Future Made in
26:46
Speaker 12: Australia banner as the guiding principle of the government's economic
26:50
Speaker 12: policy strategy, supposedly or possibly overwhelming all others. And I
26:56
Speaker 12: think that's the concern. Protectionism, as I wrote in my piece,
26:59
Speaker 12: as a trap, corrupts our politics. Politicians pick winners. They
27:04
Speaker 12: find it very hard to withdraw support from their champions.
27:07
Speaker 12: We saw that with the car industry over decades. So
27:09
Speaker 12: I think that was my main concern. Elevating protection is
27:12
Speaker 12: them under a new label as the central economic policy
27:17
Speaker 12: focus of the government. That's the concern. The end result,
27:21
Speaker 12: like all protectionist folly, is an effective negative supply shock
27:25
Speaker 12: on the economy, lower standards of living. And I want
27:29
Speaker 12: to stress this for a labor government, lower living standards
27:32
Speaker 12: for low income people. When you artificially raise the cost
27:35
Speaker 12: structure of an economy, you disproportionately hurt low income people.
27:40
Speaker 12: And again that's a real concern of my people in
27:42
Speaker 12: Nie and suburbs of Sydney. High income earners they can
27:46
Speaker 12: bear those costs. Low income people tradees working at the
27:49
Speaker 12: margins comp.
27:53
Speaker 2: Just on that computing spend one billion dollars to a
27:57
Speaker 2: startup to come to Australia build something in Brisbane, four
28:00
Speaker 2: hundred jobs about two and a half million dollars per job.
28:04
Speaker 2: When pushed about this process, it's not a traditional tender
28:08
Speaker 2: process that you and I would be aware.
28:09
Speaker 3: Of from government.
28:10
Speaker 2: When pushed about the process, we find it was highly secretive.
28:14
Speaker 2: Ministers claim, well, we can't tell you anything. It's all
28:16
Speaker 2: commercial and confidence. Now, this is not how a billion
28:20
Speaker 2: dollars has been allocated in the past.
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Speaker 12: No, I agree, and I go right back to the
28:27
Speaker 12: fundamentals of the policy. You write, Peter, the process is
28:31
Speaker 12: opaque and opaqueness tends to be associated with shady dealing,
28:36
Speaker 12: as you know. But if you go right back to
28:38
Speaker 12: the objectives of the policy, we're giving a billion dollars
28:42
Speaker 12: to entrepreneurs. That money could go to a hospital, could
28:46
Speaker 12: go to a school, It could go to improving our infrastructure,
28:49
Speaker 12: improving our housing. Dare I say so? Again, the process
28:53
Speaker 12: isn't ideal. But even if you had a transparent process,
28:57
Speaker 12: you know as well as I do, the public servants
28:59
Speaker 12: are good at drafting and documents to ensure that the
29:02
Speaker 12: politically favored firm or group gets the prize. I go
29:07
Speaker 12: right back to the objectives of the policy and the
29:09
Speaker 12: opportunity cost of all this taxpayer money being pledged to
29:14
Speaker 12: entrepreneurs who can't raise funds from private equity, from hedge funds,
29:19
Speaker 12: people who actually have skin in the game. Again, the
29:22
Speaker 12: buckstops of the taxpayer. That's always been the history with
29:25
Speaker 12: the state development banks in the seventies and the eighties,
29:28
Speaker 12: going right back to the fifties and sixties. It's well intentioned,
29:33
Speaker 12: it's irresistible. I know focus groups love it, but it
29:36
Speaker 12: ends in tears, and it hurts the most vulnerable and
29:39
Speaker 12: the lower income people in the community.
29:42
Speaker 2: All question with that, And now I said, David, I
29:44
Speaker 2: hope you're around next week. I wouldn't mind getting you
29:46
Speaker 2: back on when the budget lands. Put your treasury brain
29:49
Speaker 2: to good use and come on and give us some
29:51
Speaker 2: analysis if you wouldn't mind doing that. But I urge you,
29:54
Speaker 2: after writing as you did as powerfully as you did,
29:56
Speaker 2: please keep it up. David Pearl, thank you for you time.
30:02
Speaker 2: Let's return to this reversal of sorts from Labor when
30:04
Speaker 2: it comes to gas. And I say of sorts because
30:08
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that her colleagues are going to back
30:10
Speaker 2: medline King the Resources Minister as they should. Let's bring
30:14
Speaker 2: in The Australian's Environment editor, Graham Lloyd. I'll get to
30:18
Speaker 2: the politics in a moment, Graham, but please, in broad terms,
30:22
Speaker 2: what's this announcement today all about.
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Speaker 13: Well, good evening, Peter. In broad terms, this is an
30:29
Speaker 13: announcement that says Labor agrees with all those sensible things
30:33
Speaker 13: that we've been talking about to increase supply of gas,
30:37
Speaker 13: to back up renewables if you're going to build them,
30:41
Speaker 13: to make it available for industry. So we can have
30:45
Speaker 13: a competitive manufacturing sector and to keep selling gas to
30:49
Speaker 13: all our foreign customers, to play our part in the
30:52
Speaker 13: global decarbonization, and also underpin the budget. So in a sense,
30:58
Speaker 13: this is a suite of reforms that, if put in place,
31:02
Speaker 13: you'd have to say, would be very good.
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Speaker 3: That's good to know.
31:06
Speaker 2: We haven't been wasting our time, you know, I Graham,
31:09
Speaker 2: I'm a bit skeptical. King says, I hope my views,
31:12
Speaker 2: I hope the policies share by my cabinet colleagues. I
31:16
Speaker 2: want to hope they will come with her on this.
31:19
Speaker 13: What do you think, Well, I think there's tough politics here, Peter.
31:25
Speaker 13: It's very likely that a good number of her colleagues
31:29
Speaker 13: will not support her. We've seen backbenchers come out today
31:34
Speaker 13: and try and distance themselves from it because they're concerned
31:37
Speaker 13: about their seats, and the Teals and the Greens have
31:40
Speaker 13: all come out in opposition. And I've got to say,
31:43
Speaker 13: all through today I've been deluged with emails from all
31:46
Speaker 13: the peak environment groups and climate groups and they are
31:50
Speaker 13: all declaring war on this new gas policy. They don't
31:53
Speaker 13: like it. They're going to fight against it. So Madeline
31:56
Speaker 13: King is going to need some real support from Anthony
32:00
Speaker 13: Albanisi and others to hold the nerve if she wants
32:04
Speaker 13: to get this.
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Speaker 6: Through and just quickly.
32:08
Speaker 2: I mean it's completely at odds with Labor and Victoria,
32:10
Speaker 2: who wants to basically ban the barbecue, ban the gas
32:13
Speaker 2: cook top, can't use it for heating, but it's now
32:16
Speaker 2: all systems go in Canberra.
32:17
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.
32:21
Speaker 13: I think one of the refreshing things was the commitments
32:24
Speaker 13: of freedom of choice by families how they want to
32:27
Speaker 13: heat and run their households. Madeline King made it clear
32:30
Speaker 13: that she supports the use of gases as an option there,
32:35
Speaker 13: which is something that become as a great surprise to Victoria.
32:41
Speaker 2: Talk to me about this significant High Court judgment. It's
32:44
Speaker 2: ruled that Australia's National Parks Authority can be criminally prosecuted
32:49
Speaker 2: for damaging sacred sites in the NT. What concerns me
32:54
Speaker 2: here is we've already Graham got a whole lot of
32:56
Speaker 2: bureaucrats who run our national parks closing the gates now
33:01
Speaker 2: worried about mountain rapidees and rock climbers and damage to
33:06
Speaker 2: sacred sites. Not just sacred sites, but just the fact
33:08
Speaker 2: that the park has indigenous history in it shutting down
33:12
Speaker 2: our access if we're not Indigenous Australians. Won't this make
33:16
Speaker 2: the National Park bureaucrats even more reluctant to keep the
33:20
Speaker 2: parks open as they are now?
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it's going to concentrate the mind of
33:26
Speaker 13: anybody who has to now take authority and responsibility. We're
33:32
Speaker 13: seeing a transfer of management and responsibility of National parks
33:37
Speaker 13: over to indigenous groups. We're seeing a lot of lawfare
33:41
Speaker 13: in the area to try and prosecute issues of land management.
33:46
Speaker 13: I think this is a very fraught area for any
33:49
Speaker 13: bureaucrat to make a decision, and if it's backed up
33:53
Speaker 13: with potential criminal charges if they get it wrong, I
33:56
Speaker 13: think they're going to be very wary.
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Speaker 3: I think it'll tie their hands.
34:01
Speaker 2: Gram Lloyd, thank you right quick breakout of the break
34:04
Speaker 2: Tony Abott is going to open up about the pandemic,
34:06
Speaker 2: the premiers, all the stuff out there today, plus why
34:09
Speaker 2: he thinks that Prime Minister needs to pick up the
34:11
Speaker 2: phone and call GGPING before it's too late and we
34:15
Speaker 2: lose one of our military personnel in these Chinese.
34:18
Speaker 3: Acts of aggression.
34:24
Speaker 2: Welcome back a will It'd be no surprise, but the
34:26
Speaker 2: more distance we get from the COVID pandemic, the more
34:29
Speaker 2: absurd and crazy and unfathomable all those rules now seem.
34:33
Speaker 2: At the time the medical evidence was arbitrary, I'd regarded best.
34:37
Speaker 2: But now this has also been backed up today by
34:39
Speaker 2: the former federal health minister Greed Hunt, who's gone public
34:42
Speaker 2: make it very clear that some of it was highly political.
34:45
Speaker 3: Well, no surprises there.
34:46
Speaker 2: Joining me is someone who consistently called out the overreach,
34:49
Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Well, Tony, thank you for
34:53
Speaker 2: your time. I mean it's almost like I have PTSD
34:56
Speaker 2: when I go back into those horrible couple of years
34:59
Speaker 2: coming out of Victoria, particularly coming out of Melbourne.
35:03
Speaker 3: How tough that all was.
35:04
Speaker 2: But we finally got some truths today from one of
35:07
Speaker 2: the key COVID players, the former federal health minister Greek Hunt,
35:11
Speaker 2: who's gone public, confirming them most of the big decisions
35:14
Speaker 2: they weren't just about health advice. They were highly political.
35:18
Speaker 2: In fact, you willing goes after the premiers in particular.
35:22
Speaker 2: But I suspect you're not surprised by any of this,
35:24
Speaker 2: are you?
35:28
Speaker 15: No, Peter, and I think you put it pretty well
35:30
Speaker 15: in your editorial earlier when you said that the problem
35:34
Speaker 15: was that the policy to deal with COVID turned out
35:37
Speaker 15: to be far worse than the disease itself. And when
35:40
Speaker 15: you go back and look at this honestly and dispassionately,
35:45
Speaker 15: you'd have to say that the first mistake that government's
35:47
Speaker 15: made was throwing out the carefully prepared pandemic plans that
35:52
Speaker 15: we all had in panic in panic in early March
35:57
Speaker 15: twenty twenty because of the dire photographs coming out of
36:03
Speaker 15: overwhelmed Italian hospitals.
36:05
Speaker 6: But I think that had a lot more to do
36:08
Speaker 6: with the Italian.
36:09
Speaker 15: Hospital system than it did with the severity of the
36:12
Speaker 15: disease itself.
36:16
Speaker 2: We've still got all the COVID dan and Victoria was
36:18
Speaker 2: still paying COVID levees. In fact, we're paying COVID levees
36:21
Speaker 2: five point five billion dollars worth until twenty twenty seven.
36:25
Speaker 2: We've got firefighters and nurses and police still stood down
36:29
Speaker 2: over vaccine mandates because they won't have astrosenica in particular,
36:33
Speaker 2: and astrosenica has now been withdrawn from the market. I mean,
36:37
Speaker 2: this is still crazy that we're talking about this now
36:40
Speaker 2: in mid twenty twenty.
36:41
Speaker 15: Four, exactly right, Peter, and my fear is that without
36:48
Speaker 15: a fired income Royal Commission type inquiry into the whole
36:53
Speaker 15: response to COVID, next time a pandemic happens, and it will,
36:58
Speaker 15: we'll take the the top response to this one as
37:02
Speaker 15: the model for all future actions.
37:05
Speaker 6: But the last thing we want.
37:07
Speaker 15: To be is locked up for several years again in
37:12
Speaker 15: response to a disease that turned out to be relatively mild.
37:18
Speaker 2: That's because none of the politicians Tony Abbott want us
37:21
Speaker 2: to know what they were told and what they decided
37:24
Speaker 2: and the papers that they read behind closed doors. That
37:28
Speaker 2: is what this is about. It's not about the next
37:30
Speaker 2: pandemic so that we are as best prepared as we
37:32
Speaker 2: can be. This is about basic backside covering from politicians
37:37
Speaker 2: like Daniel Andrews and Anastasia Palichet. And I have to
37:40
Speaker 2: say frankly to Scott Morris and Josh Fridenberg and the others.
37:47
Speaker 15: Look, I'm confident that inside the coalition a lot of
37:52
Speaker 15: these issues would have been more debated than they seemed
37:56
Speaker 15: on the surface.
37:57
Speaker 6: But there's no doubt that.
38:00
Speaker 15: For a period of time we ceased being a democracy
38:04
Speaker 15: and became a kind of a doctocracy. Now I'm all
38:08
Speaker 15: in favor of taking expert advice seriously, but in the end,
38:13
Speaker 15: we've got to remain an open, transparent, accountable democracy, and
38:19
Speaker 15: I'm afraid we weren't for a couple of years during
38:22
Speaker 15: the pandemic.
38:26
Speaker 2: When we lost those Australians in MH seventeen. You picked
38:30
Speaker 2: up the phone and I was there and I saw
38:33
Speaker 2: how doggag you were with Vladimir Putin. Now we haven't
38:38
Speaker 2: lost an Australian military life, I say, yet, this has
38:42
Speaker 2: now been three incidents involving the Chinese, three very dangerous incidents.
38:47
Speaker 2: I hope we don't lose an Australian military life, but
38:50
Speaker 2: that could be more good luck rather than good management.
38:54
Speaker 2: Today we find out though that the Prime Minister has
38:57
Speaker 2: not rung, his counterpart hasn't spoken to the Minister for Defense,
39:01
Speaker 2: a foreign minister hasn't spoken to the Foreign minister. It's
39:04
Speaker 2: all been done right down the batting order by bureaucrats
39:08
Speaker 2: to register Australia's discussed at what's happened yet again, what
39:13
Speaker 2: would you do differently?
39:18
Speaker 15: Well, the problem here, Peter, is that this isn't the
39:21
Speaker 15: first time it's happened. This is now the third time
39:25
Speaker 15: that Australian military personnel have been endangered by the actions
39:30
Speaker 15: of Chinese ships and planes, and we have undoubtedly been
39:36
Speaker 15: acting within our perfect rights in international waters and in
39:41
Speaker 15: international airspace.
39:43
Speaker 6: So these are not the actions of a friend.
39:48
Speaker 15: And what puzzles me is why the government is so
39:53
Speaker 15: keen to roll out the red carpet for the Chinese
39:56
Speaker 15: premiere next month, given that this is how China is
39:59
Speaker 15: co currently treading us.
40:03
Speaker 3: I know you've just come back from Europe.
40:04
Speaker 2: You and I have spoken and we talked particularly about
40:07
Speaker 2: those UK elections over the weekend and this real division. Now,
40:11
Speaker 2: these pro Palestinian pro gas are pro Humus candidates getting
40:15
Speaker 2: up at local council level. It's a bad portent for
40:19
Speaker 2: us here in Australia as well. And obviously that concern
40:24
Speaker 2: that Europe really has about Russia being on the march,
40:28
Speaker 2: they seem more alive to the threats of these times,
40:31
Speaker 2: you know, the sense that it is like the end
40:34
Speaker 2: of the nineteen thirties and we are perhaps here in Australia.
40:36
Speaker 3: Is that a fair comment?
40:41
Speaker 15: Look, I think it is, Peter. I think that what
40:45
Speaker 15: so many of the democracies engaged in after the furl
40:49
Speaker 15: in the fall of the Berlin Wall, and this assumption
40:52
Speaker 15: that market capitalism had triumphed in all places for all times,
40:57
Speaker 15: we engaged in a kind of all military, industrial, and
41:02
Speaker 15: even cultural disarmament. And what we need to do now
41:07
Speaker 15: is to recover our military and our industrial strength, but
41:11
Speaker 15: above all else, our cultural self confidence as free, independent
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Speaker 15: Western democracies with a strong Judaeo Christian tradition.
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Speaker 2: If you were till PM Tony Abbott, would you have
41:28
Speaker 2: three flags behind you all one when you talk about
41:31
Speaker 2: national identity.
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Speaker 15: Look, I'm more than happy with the one flag that
41:40
Speaker 15: unites all of us. I certainly don't think that the
41:44
Speaker 15: flag of some of us should fly coequally with the
41:47
Speaker 15: flag of all of us, just as I don't think
41:50
Speaker 15: that we need to be welcome to our own country
41:54
Speaker 15: at every civic occasion. One of the other things that
41:57
Speaker 15: would be different we wouldn't have these pro hamaces tent
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Speaker 15: encampments on our campuses.
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Speaker 6: I just think there's been.
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Speaker 15: A failure of will and a failure of self confidence
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Speaker 15: by too many people who should know better.
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Speaker 3: Good on you, Tony Abbott, I think many of us
42:16
Speaker 3: wish you were still there. Thank you for your time.
42:20
Speaker 3: Right after the break a ten year old.
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Speaker 2: Yes, a ten year old has been accused of serious
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Speaker 2: sexual assault in Cans.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into that.
42:28
Speaker 2: After the break plus world beat in cancer researchers had
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Speaker 2: their budgets cut in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: This is huge.
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Speaker 2: This is what happens when a state becomes an economic
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Speaker 2: basket case. All right, let's bring it home with my
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Speaker 2: panel Poulin, Hanson's chief of staff James Ashby, and columnists
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Speaker 2: with the Spectator Terry Barnes. Welcome to you both. I
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Speaker 2: want to start with the youth crime crisis yet again,
42:56
Speaker 2: horrific reports today a ten year old boy ten years
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Speaker 2: old accused of an alleged sexual assault involving an adult woman,
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Speaker 2: a tourist in Cairns. We know it's a big problem
43:08
Speaker 2: in Queensland and we know it's in Victoria as well.
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Speaker 2: But the stats in Queensland, You've got this shocking statistic
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Speaker 2: just under ten thousand times young people have breached bail
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Speaker 2: in that state and the number of child recidivists, so
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Speaker 2: multiple crimes being committed by these young people. That's what
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Speaker 2: our ascidibus is.
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Speaker 3: That has now doubled.
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Speaker 2: James, very disturbing figures. But when a ten year old
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Speaker 2: is involved in sexual assault. I don't think it gets
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Speaker 2: any worse than that.
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Speaker 11: No, it starts to become very concerning. It's really a
43:40
Speaker 11: pox on this Labor government here in Queensland. But you know,
43:43
Speaker 11: one of the first pieces of legislation this premiere in
43:47
Speaker 11: well the Labor government in Queensland moved back in twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 11: was to remove the ability for a lot of these
43:53
Speaker 11: courts to detain these young kids. We're talking about serious
43:57
Speaker 11: offenders here. Now, this isn't just a Queensland issue, as
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Speaker 11: you rightfully point out, it is right across the country.
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Speaker 11: And I think given the serious nature of what's occurred
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Speaker 11: just today and reported on, obviously we need to look
44:10
Speaker 11: broader at this problem. And perhaps I'm going to make
44:13
Speaker 11: a recommendation to Paul and Anson tomorrow that we deeply
44:17
Speaker 11: consider an inquiry on a national front here through the Senate,
44:21
Speaker 11: because this is a real problem. Look, federally, we pay
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Speaker 11: out a huge amount of money through family tax benefits
44:28
Speaker 11: A and B, and if it's okay for federal politicians,
44:32
Speaker 11: both the Coalition and Labor have backed withholding money, particularly
44:36
Speaker 11: through family tax Benefit A, for those parents who don't
44:39
Speaker 11: immunize their children, perhaps it's time we have a deep,
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Speaker 11: serious conversation about withholding money from families who have repeat
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Speaker 11: offending children, not first time offenders, but repeat offenders, because
44:53
Speaker 11: clearly the four hundred dollars we're paying well up to
44:56
Speaker 11: four hundred bucks a fortnite for some of these families,
44:59
Speaker 11: and each child they have is not working, their parenting
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Speaker 11: skills are just missing, and maybe an inquiry is what
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Speaker 11: this country needs.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think a few of my listeners would find
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Speaker 2: that very interesting.
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Speaker 6: Terry.
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Speaker 2: We talked about the Victorian budget earlier in the week
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Speaker 2: it was handed out, of course on Tuesday. One of
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Speaker 2: the things is that many things Victoria still does well,
45:22
Speaker 2: but medical research really is a national, if not international leader.
45:27
Speaker 2: There's a comprehensive cancer center in Victoria. It's the old
45:31
Speaker 2: Peter Mack but it's got lots of other elements in
45:34
Speaker 2: it as well. It has suffered a seventy five percent
45:38
Speaker 2: funding cut.
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Speaker 3: Now that is extraordinary.
45:41
Speaker 2: It's a massive The treasurer said, oh, look, it's not
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Speaker 2: been a reduction in base funding. It's not as big
45:46
Speaker 2: as that, but the professor in charge of it said,
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Speaker 2: yes it is. He's the one that has put the
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Speaker 2: data out there and said we knew something was coming.
45:55
Speaker 2: We were told it was a tough budget, but nothing
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Speaker 2: as bad as this. You know this area very well.
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Speaker 2: We also know that cancer rates are climbing in this country.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of this announcement?
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Speaker 16: Well, certainly, the Victorian Comprehensive Cancer Center has been an
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Speaker 16: institution Victoria that was invented or created under the Badu
46:17
Speaker 16: naptime government a decode or more ago, and.
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Speaker 6: Has bi partisan support and always has.
46:23
Speaker 16: But when you see this type of funding cut in
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Speaker 16: the Victorian budget as a result of the Victorian balance
46:31
Speaker 16: sheet going so deep in red ink that it's not funny.
46:35
Speaker 16: I mean, we're talking about next to a quarter of
46:37
Speaker 16: a trillion dollars worth of debt on the books, almost
46:39
Speaker 16: two hundred million dollars now, and we'll get bigger.
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Speaker 6: Things are going to have to give.
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Speaker 16: Worthy causes like the Comprehensive Cancer Center are going to
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Speaker 16: they're being hit. They're being hit because of this government's
46:51
Speaker 16: Andrew's Allen Government's absolute and total financial inconfidence. It's an
46:56
Speaker 16: absolute disgrace, absolute disgrace.
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Speaker 14: James.
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Speaker 2: Why is Labor spending forty million dollars to advertise these
47:05
Speaker 2: tax cuts that everyone's going to get anyway. We don't
47:08
Speaker 2: have to apply for them. We all know about them.
47:11
Speaker 2: Why waste forty billion dollars in ads which are basically
47:13
Speaker 2: promoting the Labor Party.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's exactly what it is.
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Speaker 11: It's a cheap way of getting free publicity for the
47:21
Speaker 11: Labor Party and trying to convince the Australian voters that
47:25
Speaker 11: they're actually doing something they're not. Look I would much
47:28
Speaker 11: rather see that forty million dollars repurposed here in Queensland.
47:32
Speaker 11: We've got a Bruce Highway that is a goat track
47:34
Speaker 11: at the moment. The Prime Minister flew in here for
47:36
Speaker 11: Beef Week this week and didn't actually get to see
47:38
Speaker 11: how bad a condition our beef roads, our Bruce highways in.
47:42
Speaker 11: And we've got a hospice here in Rockampton that is
47:45
Speaker 11: in desperate need of a few extra million dollars to
47:48
Speaker 11: put additional beds on so that people in their final
47:50
Speaker 11: weeks of life actually have the care and need provided
47:54
Speaker 11: to them in places outside the Southeast corner. So forty
47:58
Speaker 11: million dollars could be much better spent. I'm happy to
48:00
Speaker 11: take the bulk share of that for Queensland. I'm sure
48:03
Speaker 11: there'll be some leftover for the other states. But no,
48:05
Speaker 11: this is just wasted money. It shouldn't be it shouldn't
48:08
Speaker 11: be put into advertising.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think it's shocking. Derry.
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Speaker 2: Another thing that shocked me today to another bloke yet
48:16
Speaker 2: again on the NDIS. This one's a sex offender, a
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Speaker 2: convicted sex offender. He was back in front of the
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Speaker 2: courts because the allegation is he's breached a supervision order.
48:28
Speaker 2: But in the case of the discussion with the magistrate,
48:31
Speaker 2: I think it was or certainly the junior judge. Five
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars half a million is his NDIS package
48:40
Speaker 2: and they asked him what was his disability and it
48:42
Speaker 2: was obesity and I think some mental health issues.
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Speaker 16: Well that's right, And he was in hospital and he
48:49
Speaker 16: got a bit of slap and tickle in hospital from
48:51
Speaker 16: another NDIS recipient on her package. Apparently they lit cigarettes afterwards,
48:56
Speaker 16: which gave the magistrate and the lawyers in the courtroom a.
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Speaker 6: Bit of a art. It's not funny, Peter, It's simply
49:01
Speaker 6: not funny.
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Speaker 16: I mean, this is the sort of boondogly disgrace that
49:05
Speaker 16: I think the Minister for the NDOS Bill Shorten, actually
49:08
Speaker 16: has to front up to the taxpayers Australia and say, look, explain,
49:12
Speaker 16: I'm going to tell you that this is wrong.
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Speaker 6: But he's not going to, is he. He's not going to.
49:16
Speaker 6: He's going to say we're going to do something about
49:18
Speaker 6: the ndos, but it's going to be on the never never.
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Speaker 16: But incidents like this just show what problems there are
49:24
Speaker 16: in the National Disability Insurance scheme.
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Speaker 6: They need to be dealt with.
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Speaker 3: Spot on.
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Speaker 2: I will be looking at that closely next week in
49:31
Speaker 2: the budgets. I'm sure you are, Terry Barnes James, good
49:34
Speaker 2: luck for Budget Week. I know it's a huge week,
49:36
Speaker 2: long hours for staff you included obviously working for a
49:40
Speaker 2: cross bencher, you don't have the resources of the big guys.
49:42
Speaker 2: But all the best for Budget Week, of course, don't
49:45
Speaker 2: miss it here on Sky News. Have a good weekend everyone,
49:48
Speaker 2: I'll see you Monday.
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Speaker 3: Here's Andrew