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Episode 189: Best/Worst of WrestleMania · Chucks Cantina

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  Speaker 1: This is Chuck's Cantina podcast where anything and everything is
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  Speaker 1: up for discussion. And now here's your barman, Chuck O'Donnell.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know, I know, I give you the way
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  Speaker 2: I do a pot I just want to favorite your time.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to give like a little quick like
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  Speaker 2: best and worst out of yet, what is your favorite
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  Speaker 2: and worst wrestling you can take at the top of
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  Speaker 2: your head.
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  Speaker 3: What's so.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not thinking of like the WrestleMania as a whole. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I do have a quick top five worst WrestleMania moments.
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  Speaker 4: I did some research.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love this.
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  Speaker 4: Honorable, honorable mention because it was simultaneously a good and
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  Speaker 4: a bad moment. I think it was thirty nine when
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  Speaker 4: MS was hosting and Shane mcman came out immediately blew
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  Speaker 4: his quads or whatever. Yes, it would have been a
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  Speaker 4: bad moment, but then the immaculate Snoop Dogg saved the
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  Speaker 4: save the moment and up tick going into business for
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  Speaker 4: himself and the highest people's elbow of all time.
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  Speaker 2: On the miss. On the miss that was number five awkwards.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the most awkward seconds I remember.
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  Speaker 2: And that was with you when that when we watch
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  Speaker 2: it too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was weird. We were like, what
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  Speaker 4: is happening? Oh snoop dogg okay, oh oh.
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  Speaker 2: Shit, motherfucker the people's elbow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah but no, okay. So Top five worst moments WrestleMania
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  Speaker 4: twenty number five, Like least worst moment on this list,
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  Speaker 4: Goldberg versus brock Lessner smatch has a lot of like
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  Speaker 4: history going into it, Like people really wanted to see this.
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  Speaker 4: You know, these two hosses were in the business, in
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  Speaker 4: the company at the same time. Dream match, you could say.
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  Speaker 4: But then you know, neither one of them really wanted
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  Speaker 4: to lose it.
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  Speaker 2: It came out that day they were both leaving after
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 4: They're both leaving. Yeah yeah, yeah, so like and the
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  Speaker 4: crowd got whiff of it and shit all over it,
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  Speaker 4: and then you know they played into the match, and
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  Speaker 4: obviously you had the third element Stone Colt Steve Austin,
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  Speaker 4: which is not going to be the last time he
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  Speaker 4: appears on either one of my top five or bottom five.
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  Speaker 4: I guess you could call this list bottom five. But
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, just a big letdown, kind of a wet
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  Speaker 4: fart moment where it's like, you guys could have had
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  Speaker 4: such a better match, and they would go on to
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  Speaker 4: have another match later in their careers. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: there's a kind of a squash honestly, but yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: that that kind of sucked. Let's see, next up on
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  Speaker 4: the list, we have what was it, WrestleMania. Oh did
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  Speaker 4: I close the thing? I think it was WrestleMania nine.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, you have.
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  Speaker 4: WrestleMania nine. Let's see real quick.
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  Speaker 2: While you're doing that, let me give you one for me.
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  Speaker 4: You want to go back and forth?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry for me. Uh my, Oh, I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: about honorable mention. Oh, okay, honorable mention. Worst it's not
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  Speaker 2: just one particular WrestleMania. It's when we unfortunately buy too
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  Speaker 2: much into the hype that something or someone might come
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  Speaker 2: back or do something. Example Brett Hart Wresselling twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: He got dugged at night before. Everyone thought, well, he's
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  Speaker 2: still gonna be at wrestle Maane. Yet he wasn't. He
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  Speaker 2: wasn't even the Hall of Fame announcement or the Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame like they do every year who was in
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  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame to do a whole thing was like,
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  Speaker 2: bring it off the Hall of Fame, And he wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: Uh that's what that's like. That one that's like another one,
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  Speaker 2: but another like a uh dishonorable or honorable no boyn
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  Speaker 2: on one that I can think of the top of
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  Speaker 2: my head. This honorable mention, This honorable mention. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to put it like in the worst category because
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  Speaker 2: there's it wasn't their fault actually in this instance, Russe
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  Speaker 2: thirty six, Uh, the COVID WrestleMania, they didn't the warehouse. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there was some good stuff that came out of it,
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  Speaker 2: like the Firefly fun House and then the Boneyard Brawl
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  Speaker 2: match which wind which is a really too, really awesome thing.
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  Speaker 2: Remember like like that scene I literally watched with my
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  Speaker 2: wife and our good friend and even Lee was like whoa,
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  Speaker 2: Like like yeah, like you you you you remove your
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  Speaker 2: disbelief for a little bit and you're gonna have some
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  Speaker 2: fun with this ship. But yeah, it was it.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Owens versus Seth Rollins had a really good match too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Owentz jumped off the wrestle Mania sign.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just there was some good stuff that came
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  Speaker 2: out of it. But just like that, obviously, like it
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  Speaker 2: was a rustle it was the only wrestlme with no crowd,
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  Speaker 2: and it really showed how much big, how much of
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  Speaker 2: a crowd plays into it. So that would be my
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  Speaker 2: dishonorable honorable mention. I'll just do a quick honorable mention
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  Speaker 2: for good. I'm I'm not gonna say I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to put anyone into speak of a specific order. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: if anything, you could put wrestle Mania thirty five in
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  Speaker 2: this honorable category. But just the stages. Yeah, they don't
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  Speaker 2: do crazy stages like they used for every single paper
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  Speaker 2: view because obviously technical expensive, but they always do. They
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  Speaker 2: always go above beyond for a certain stage. Like look
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  Speaker 2: at wrestle May at thirty three. I mean it was
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  Speaker 2: literally a theme park roller coaster, which was sick. The
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  Speaker 2: one I too. Wrestling at twenty two it was just
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  Speaker 2: a top of the Sears tower, like I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was pretty basic, but like you walked in right away
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  Speaker 2: knew exactly what it was. Uh, WrestleMania twenty one was
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  Speaker 2: like a Hollywood theater, walking extravagance and just stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: and like they and now they still do it or help.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, my almost my favorite one and someone that's
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  Speaker 2: talked about personally is rust May thirty four was just
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  Speaker 2: a giant like masquerade mask as a screen, Like I
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  Speaker 2: think that things so Badassah yeah, so that would be
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  Speaker 2: my honorable and then it's honorable. So cool.
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  Speaker 4: You can also throw in like entrances, you know, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's like the attire, whether it's like the pyro, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's like the like bands. Yeah, to go all out
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  Speaker 4: like that, it's pretty crazy. Okay, wait, did you give
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  Speaker 4: your bottom?
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  Speaker 2: You can?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Did you You know you can start because you only
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  Speaker 2: you only did your honorable mention stuff, so you can
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  Speaker 2: go first.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead. No, I did the the least nervous as Goldbladers.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, I apologize, yeah for my first honorable thing.
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  Speaker 2: I up until now, but most recently other than and
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  Speaker 2: Mike Tyson and me and Muhammed Ali, I would say
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  Speaker 2: just anything involving celebrities and matches usually didn't work out well.
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  Speaker 2: They would try, like the Snookie thing, the Donald Trump thing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean in wrestling twenty three, he he didn't do
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  Speaker 2: a lot. He punched Vince and the most awkward thing
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  Speaker 2: took one of the worst stunners of all time. It's
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  Speaker 2: just I get why they do it, but it's just
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  Speaker 2: like when they actually get like involved the matches.
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  Speaker 4: Just like, we don't.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need this shit, I think again, it's all
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  Speaker 2: it's good. It's good marketing.
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a wrestling god. Yeah, as a wrestling fan,
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  Speaker 2: just like hey, let mean, hey, there's that famous photo
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  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump with the McMahon family, and it's the
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  Speaker 2: the meme little goes stone cold. Steve Vaston has literally
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  Speaker 2: stunnered sixty five percent of people in this photo and
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  Speaker 2: the only people he didn't stunner are the grand kids.
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, okay, my next worst of US wrestling in
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  Speaker 4: nine is at the Hitman versus Yokozuna.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, you're going.
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  Speaker 4: You know they've been feuding. Obviously, a big crowd outdoor,
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  Speaker 4: great venue, great great, like great night of wrestling. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: for the most part, I could have put Giant Gunzalez
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  Speaker 4: versus underheck ground this list, but I didn't because that's
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  Speaker 4: the on its own. Yeah, because you know, uh, yoko
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  Speaker 4: Zuna goes over, right, and of course you got Hulk
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  Speaker 4: Hogan coming out trying to console Brett. Of course, right,
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  Speaker 4: there have been allies. Oh yeah, Brett, Hulk Hogan's Brett
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  Speaker 4: Hart's best friend all this ship. No, of course not.
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  Speaker 4: But what does hul Cogan do impromptu title.
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  Speaker 2: Match and goes over in like thirty sec just.
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  Speaker 4: Just because yeah, you know, so I think the story
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  Speaker 4: goes It's like a lot of backstage politics. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Let's send the fans, so I'm happy. Oh well, let's
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  Speaker 4: send them fans. So I'm happy because everybody wants to
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  Speaker 4: see how kochin again after they've been spending a few
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  Speaker 4: years trying to build up all these new people. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so that was shitty. I didn't like it. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it needed to happen. But yeah, there's
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  Speaker 4: another not great moment, kind of a dud.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hm my fourth or what we're doing? Four or five?
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  Speaker 4: I think we're doing five? Five?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, my fourth? My fourth? This honorable mention? Uh I,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's almost as you could say, they get multiple
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  Speaker 2: categories are actually no, Actually, let me may track that
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  Speaker 2: this obviously is not really a thing. I mean that
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  Speaker 2: can still depending on how how your patience levels on something,
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  Speaker 2: it's will be a thing. But for me, it's just
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  Speaker 2: long WrestleManias. We were fortunate enough. Obviously it was stream
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  Speaker 2: were forced off to working out get the ship for
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  Speaker 2: free other than paying for the subscription fees and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. But like these the stuff used to cost
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  Speaker 2: like sixty seventy eighty dollars for peoples and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: But it got to the point where like somebody's WrestleMania's
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  Speaker 2: were like what was I think thirty five was like
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  Speaker 2: eight nine hours long? And it's like why and then
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  Speaker 2: like look up Russemania thirty five New Jersey. Look up,
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  Speaker 2: just look at the you can look up the backle
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  Speaker 2: that happened with the audience when they tried to leave
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  Speaker 2: all the train, all the transport all the transportations. Trains
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  Speaker 2: were shut down because it was after hours for them,
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  Speaker 2: so they were done. Ubers were charging like one hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of dollars just to get home, and it's just like
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  Speaker 2: it's there's no reason that you need to have wrestle
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  Speaker 2: Maya for eight nine hours. And that was really the
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  Speaker 2: WrestleMania that pushed. And then again it got it got
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  Speaker 2: to you know, the big cheese at the time, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm shot actually change his mind where it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we can do two nights, and there are some somebody's
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  Speaker 2: wrestlemans can drag on for two nights because it's like
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  Speaker 2: you're doing two nights of five hours of you know,
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  Speaker 2: wrestle Mania and stuff like that. But they always try
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  Speaker 2: to like spice up and change scenes here and there.
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  Speaker 2: But it was just theas from like I want to say,
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  Speaker 2: like what it was like twenty I want to say,
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  Speaker 2: I remember twenty seven being it just wasn't gonna wrestleming,
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  Speaker 2: but I remember that one being very fucking lawn. But
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  Speaker 2: it was just like the four and a half five
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  Speaker 2: hours Somnia's just like you don't need that, there's no need.
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  Speaker 2: And again obviously it was only one night. One night.
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  Speaker 2: Show wasn't a two night thing. But it was just
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  Speaker 2: like it was just how it was. It was like
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  Speaker 2: whenever it was just a three and a half hour
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  Speaker 2: of pay per view, like it was before all this
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  Speaker 2: digital stuff, Like the people that were on the card.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunate as it was that people who weren't on the cards,
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  Speaker 2: like those people who were on the card usually deserve
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  Speaker 2: to be on there, Like they had the most compelling
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  Speaker 2: stories to be on there. Sure you would have your
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  Speaker 2: random multimn match, you would have your Playboy Bunny fight,
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  Speaker 2: pillow fight shit like whatever marketing, but like when you
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  Speaker 2: have that those restims are eight nine hours long, it's
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  Speaker 2: like fucking kill me this right, So that that would
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  Speaker 2: be my fourth Uh no bueno? Yeah, so go ahead, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I can continue.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you're good. My number three it's actually one you've
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  Speaker 4: mentioned already, and so oddly enough another one where Stone
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  Speaker 4: Cold was the special guest referee was that Battle of
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  Speaker 4: the Billionaires, uh, Donald Trump versus Vince McMahon. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: even sure what the steaks of this weear, but I
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  Speaker 4: know one of them was whoever lost had their head shame.
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  Speaker 2: That was literally that was the only steaks that was it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's each other pick a guy
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  Speaker 2: like Vince pick Umaga, the Trump picked the Trump Trump
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  Speaker 2: picked Bobby Lashley, and then the board quink wink, nudge, nudge.
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  Speaker 2: Just to give a little more spice, they put Austin
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  Speaker 2: as the referee.
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  Speaker 4: But Jays will as we'll come to find out, whenever
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  Speaker 4: Stone Cold is the special guest referee for something, it's
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  Speaker 4: not it's not a good look. No, it's not a
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  Speaker 4: good sign. But like, yeah, you have these two guys,
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  Speaker 4: two workers and Maga and Bobby Lashley, which were like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, really really like putting in a lot of
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  Speaker 4: really solid work, Like you have Oomaga rest in Peace.
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  Speaker 4: He's was phenomenally gifted as an athlete and you know,
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  Speaker 4: was soundled with a character that you might call a
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  Speaker 4: little regressive, but like still like they were giving him
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  Speaker 4: big spots, big moments building him up as his monster.
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  Speaker 4: You have Bobby Lashley, who's you know, incredibly incredibly talented athlete.
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  Speaker 4: It's still going today, hass yeah. Literally, And if these
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  Speaker 4: guys were to just have a match match like that
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  Speaker 4: would have been a fucking phenomenal. But then you have
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  Speaker 4: all the pomp and circumstance of Vince mcpan doing his
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  Speaker 4: thing and Donald Trump being megomaniac, and you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: just looking back on it, it's like you're knowing what
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  Speaker 4: we know now about both of the men involved, it's
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  Speaker 4: like it gives you fucking queasy feeling. You know, you
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  Speaker 4: still have the iconic moment of Ends getting his head
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  Speaker 4: shaved and don't cold hoping his fucking head back and
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  Speaker 4: all that shit, and it is what it is. But
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  Speaker 4: it's still like looking back on it, it's like just
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  Speaker 4: too to just you know, narcissists jerking each other off basically,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, it's kind of a bad time, bad vibes.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, that was my number three, and let's let's
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  Speaker 4: just say the next two are fucking abysmal.
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  Speaker 5: So oh boy, my number three. No boy, no media moment,
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna laugh if you have this in yours. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a match, it's a moment of a match. It's brock
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  Speaker 2: Les almost killing himself. Uh, you can look it up wrestling.
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen he didn't would call the Shooting Star press. Essentially,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: what it is is the guy jumps backwards, but he
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  Speaker 2: launches himself forward to do a backflip, but he lands
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  Speaker 2: like a body splash on the guy. It's a movie
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  Speaker 2: he had done before, he had rarely done it. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of guys said you should do it. I mean
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  Speaker 2: a lot. Here's a funny thing. He's this same thing
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  Speaker 2: about Lesnard. He obviously not much so somewhere because he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't do anything. He doesn't do interviews that often, but
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  Speaker 2: whenever he does, he always talks shit about that moment.
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  Speaker 2: But he never comes out and says who told him
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  Speaker 2: to do it? But like twenty people have come out
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  Speaker 2: and said they told him to do it, but essentially
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  Speaker 2: what happened was sorry, what happened was he did the jump.
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  Speaker 2: But if you if you've seen if you've seen a
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  Speaker 2: wrestling match, you've seen a shooting star press. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like a it's like a one fluid motion. The
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  Speaker 2: guy jumps backwards and just it's a perfect circle. But
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  Speaker 2: if you watch it, you can literally see he hesitates
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  Speaker 2: in mid air and then he lands right on his
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  Speaker 2: fucking head.
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  Speaker 4: Literally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they pretty much literally would say to him,
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  Speaker 2: is the fact that this is two thousand and three
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  Speaker 2: brock Lezer. While Brocklester's always been a freak, this is
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  Speaker 2: this is peak freak leaure where his neck was the
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  Speaker 2: size of my house.
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  Speaker 4: Not to mention his traps being like as big as
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  Speaker 4: fucking some people's heads.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that was the thing too. If you
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  Speaker 2: watch it, it was weird because like, well again because
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  Speaker 2: kurdan Angle, who he was supposed to do it to.
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  Speaker 2: He said, like, they both got fucked up. They both
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  Speaker 2: got hurt during that the match before that happened, and
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  Speaker 2: if you watch it, kurd Angle was way too far
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  Speaker 2: in the first place, was probably why he hesitated.
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  Speaker 3: That's another thing.
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  Speaker 4: When people do shooting star presses, the people like the
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  Speaker 4: opponents literally sometimes just right in front.
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  Speaker 2: Of them, like like three feet and four feet max. No,
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  Speaker 2: like like eight feet.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, if you just watch it, you just
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  Speaker 2: like lesser Mania nineteen, you're gonna see it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you were a discretion advised nothing graphic happens.
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  Speaker 2: You just actually, if anything, the angle kind of blocks
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  Speaker 2: a little bit because angle's right there, but you can
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  Speaker 2: still kind of you can you can you can get
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  Speaker 2: the jazz and and then that was supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: the finish. But then what happened was they just stood
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  Speaker 2: up and les five the unodospace. It's like it was
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  Speaker 2: so random, but it's like that's how the match was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to end. Unfortunately it didn't, could it. It would
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  Speaker 2: have been a moment we were talking about today, because
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  Speaker 2: like a guy who's three hundred and twenty pounds that
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  Speaker 2: can move like a middle linebacker or wide receiver should
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  Speaker 2: be doing able to do that stuff because he had
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  Speaker 2: never done it on He had done it like in
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  Speaker 2: his developmental stuff, but he never done it on television
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  Speaker 2: where the whole world can see it. So especially then
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  Speaker 2: with it or not being as big as it is now.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I mean it would Again, I'm not saying it would
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: have been Hogan's slimon Andre moment, but it would have
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: been in that category.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: So fair enough.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think uh number two, actually.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: He got two, sorry to left.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: So the twenty fifth Anniversary of WrestleMania aka the twenty
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: fifth WrestleMania, which would not make it the twenty fifth anniversary,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: but I digress. There was a match called the Miss
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: WrestleMania Battle Royal.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Oh thought you're going yourself.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: It's not where I thought you're going with this.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: You might think to yourself, Wow, they're gonna crown this
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: first ever female superstar as Miss WrestleMania. It's over the
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: top rope Battle Royal. Nothing crazy. You know, at this
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: point in time, women were still fighting for a spot,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Yeah, you have the Divas Champion,
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: uh you know and the Women's Champion in the match.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: You think maybe they're one of them is gonna win it.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: You'd think maybe a veteran and superstar would win it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: You'd think one of the many tuper uber talented female
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: athletes would win this match. And to that, my friend
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: I would say o contrare, Oh, you are quite mistaken,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: because at this point you're in the full on ship
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: storm fever dream of late two thousands, late two thousands WWE,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: where you had celebrity guests, celebrity hosts, and crazy shit
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: happening all the time and so so yeah, not only
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: was Kid Rock part of this during entrances, but the
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: winner of the match is not only not a woman
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: but a man. Not only but a man, but a man.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: In drag One, Santino Morella, creating as his twin sister
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Santina Marilla, be crowned Miss WrestleMania and go on to
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: defend the title multiple times. So yeah, what the fuck?
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: And uh, in the more modern era where people aren't
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: fucking where it's not like some kind of crazy, narcissistic
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: makemo maniac running the company and somebody with some sense
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: and decency, they would pay this bit off in one
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: of the first, uh the I think the first women's
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: real rumbo match where Santina would make her return and
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: immediately get thrown out by everybody else in the match.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Just you know what I call that show? Do you
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: want know what I call that? Long term we came.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: It's good ship. It's good ship, just a black mark
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: and kind of indicative of where things were and thankfully
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: where things are now. So yeah, there you go. Progress.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: My two worst, my number two worst. This is an
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: one that at the time it was shocking, but it's
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: also one of those ones like we're posts like how
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: everything's going. However, went afterwards it was like, yeah, that
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: was not the right choice, uh Russelling seventeen Austin turning
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: hail Events, he says, other than like him walking out,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: it's his biggest regret. It was again, it was a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: huge shocking moment at the best WrestleMania I've probably ever produced.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It's just one of those things where like was seen
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: and now him saying why he's going here? It made
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you can argue it makes sense. At that time Austin
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: was still at his peak. He said he did it
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: because he thought he just he just wasn't as hot
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: as he was, which is obviously not true because he
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: literally did it in Texas in front of his fans.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: So here he is, he's joined. He's literally it's Jesus.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It's Jesus joining the devil. Essentially in terms of like importance,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: you know, it's Batman joining the Joker. Yeah, but the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: people are like, fuck yeah, be up the Rock. It's
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: like you're you're you're literally in your home state, like
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: you're literally home, you know. It's literally like Batman joining
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the Joker, but he does it in front of his parents,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and his parents like, oh, we love you, We love you,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: pro no matter what you do, we love you. It's
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: like that's literally what it was. And then and then
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the father and then the father to it was he's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: still heal. But then The Rock left to do a movie.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Triple Ah was supposed to become the good guy, but
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: he didn't want to at first, and then he wants
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: he wanted to build it up more, which made sense,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: but then he got hurt. And then your biggest and
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: your biggest protagonist to the big antagonist was the entertainer
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and Kane, which no offense to them. They're not the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: locker stone Cold. And then Kurt Angle wasn't what he
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: was at No one was on that level. And then
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: by the time The Rock came back from filming The
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Scorpion King or the whichever one it was, the Rundown
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: whichevery movie was, it was too late. It was done.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: That thing was done. It was just like the grave
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: was buried. It's just like there's nothing, it's it's it's dead,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: like no one cares. And that's what it led to.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I mean at the time, I was like, you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I was like jereditary bunch, like you a pitch? What
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the like? Why why would you do this? Why why
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you saw bitch? Like literally, because that been Jim Ross
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: triple h on anything and you're just gonna hear five
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: minutes of Jim Ross is going your son of a bitch.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, for me, number two is on Austin Turned
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Hill because obviously what happened after that too, Because Eve,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: when I mean again, even though I was like, what
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: how old was I in two and one? I hate
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to say that I was. I wasn't even I wasn't
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: even uh seven yet I was only I was still
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: six technically, and even I was like why Like the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: FORR example, if you watched it, okay, there are you
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: can see all the fans reactions. Steve Lawson is beating
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the ship out of the rock of the steel chair
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and there's really fans smiling, laughing, doing suck it like
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: they're not like stop it they're like laughing as Vince
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: McMahon is watching, is like edging him in the beat
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: up the rock mart They're laughing, and it's like, Uh,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: any other place it probably would have worked a little better.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I still don't think it would have worked. But that's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: my number two, all.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Right, my number one number. Where's the WrestleMania moments? Last match?
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: No you mentioned? Twenty seven WrestleMania twenty seven Michael Cole
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: versus Jerry the King.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Uh, that's a good number one special.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Guest referee You guessed it? Stone Coo. Jerry King Lawler looking.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: For two fans of Steve Wause. He's sure on his
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: bed list a lot.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Oh trust me, Well you just wait and see the
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: good list is the good list. Jerry King Lawler obviously
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: made his name as a wrestler during the Territory eras
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: was really popular. Came on a WWE as an announcer,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: paired with j R. Jim Ross for a long time,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: but also did broadcasting with Michael Cole. In the late
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: two thousands. You had a storyline where Michael Cole was
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: a heel announcer and boy did he do a good job.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: We hated the ship out of him, and he was
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: in every segment every match heard his voice got super
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: fucking annoying. I think this is also the era of
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: the anonymous GM is just basically a laptop on a
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: podium that would get random messages somehow. Also, the audio
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: was connected to all the speakers in the arena every time,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: and it was just like, okay, random times this GM
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: would give stipulations or make changes and whatever. But ultimately
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: this led to a match, a feud between Jerry and
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Michael Cole, and it led to a match, and the
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: match sucked because one of the wrestlers was retired way
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: past his prime. The other was not a wrestler at all, correct,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: and so the match shocked. It sucked, and it was
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: waste of time, and it was made even worse by
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: the fact that that spot could have gone to all
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: the other talent that had been trained and were grinding
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: and had you know, TV time and things taken away
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: from him from this segment. So just a fucking waste
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: of time and yeah, and they both just went back
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: to announcing and whatever.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And the unfortunately couple a couple months later, Michael Cole's
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: hill turned got kabashed because Jerry Lawer had a heart attack.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, shoot, shoot, it was like a year later, but still,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, still whatever. They still had to sit next
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: to each other, and it was weird man again, late
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: two thousands, weird times.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm not this is my number one really quick.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Sorry you mentioned WrestleMania nine. I was trying not to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: do ones I haven't seen personally, but I get but
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: that's a moment that even I know that wasn't a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: good moment. So I want to say a dishonorable mention.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: This could be a dishonorable and honorable mention for good moments,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: that being the ending of WrestleMania twenty the what's some
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: people call the Peels. WrestleMania essentially had two guys that
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: no one would ever thought win the titles, and they
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: lid closed out the show with the championships, hugging and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: summon with her with one of the guy's family, one
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: said person being Crispin wat And obviously, if you're a
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: wrestling fan, you know what happened in two thousand and seven.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Not my more need to be said. It's unfortunately it's
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: a moment at the times, a moment I will never
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: forget watching. But now it's very hard to watch because
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: of what happened with him and his family. As Paulman
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: once said, as a performer, one of the best ever
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: do it as an individual. Fuck them? So enough more
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: enough to be said there. My number one worst this is.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: This is because I was trying to think, because like
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: there's like some there's some really bad moments. I'm not
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: gonna lie. I did not expect you to say Michael
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Cole and Jerry the Kyle Walller that one. That one
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: definitely threw me for a loop. But uh, it's a
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: personal one of mine. How I word this, I'm gonna
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: spoil it. I've even got to the best ones, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: it is a selfish one.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: My best and worst is wrestle Mania twenty two. Best
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: because I got to go to WrestleMania with my family
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm it was the last arena held WrestleMania. They
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: have been stadiums ever since. On the one Warehouse with COVID.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: The reason I say worst is because what the card
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: was going to be. So the card was a good card.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: It was a great show, it really was. It's a
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: show I'll never forget, obviously, But when there were potentially
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: matches by the way that they teased on television, matches
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: potentially like or not even just on TV, in their
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: own platforms content matches potentially like Batista and brock Lesner, Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: or another one that was going to happen unfortunately Eddie
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: grow passed away, Sean Michaels and Eddie Guerrero or here's
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: what how about when they tease not even like what
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: eight months Austin and Hogan.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Like it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I still get pissed about that. I'm so grateful, I'm
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: so happy I got to go. I had such a
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: great time. It's a it's a it's like, no matter
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: like how many shows I go to it, I always
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: hit my top five just because of like selfish, like
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: it's WrestleMania. But it's just like there was some but yeah,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: it's like dank Ferrik what that show could have been
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: or was supposed to be. And of course there's it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: every year you hear these potential matches at what rumor
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and a you window. But it wasn't even that these
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: were rumors. These were matches other than Sean Michaels, Eddie Guerrero.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: The other things I mentioned were mentioned in some form
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: of their content. Hogan literally called them on on TV,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: which Austin apparently legit he had no idea what was
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: gonna happen, and he was pissed about it. He was
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: legitimately pissed. Yeah, and that was just him Evince being
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a jit.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: That ended up happening was still like great in some regards.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: You had Yes, Edge versus m.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Edge Foley with the fire table, Vincent Sean
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: with the that was the night DX is pretty much
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: because they're both doing sucking and stuff like that, and
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Sean of a giant ass ladder. Rick Flair took a
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: super Flex off the ladder like a dumb ass.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a second money in the bank. Would
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: win that and go on to have his run was
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: still legendary. You had Ray Mysterio winning the Big One,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: which I just watched a review of this. Actually today
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: we're fans really booing Ray Mysterio.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, crazy, there were a lot of there were some
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Ray fans. I mean, my brother and I we were
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: cheering on Forrey. It's just when kurd Angle came out,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it was just like this, this was wrestling machine kurding
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: wh just he's I mean, this is unfortunately and thankfully
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: it's actually kind of like people don't call him Perkangle anymore. Thankfully.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: This is before he was the TNA and all that
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: stuff came out. But then he would just literally come
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: on to w TV and just supplex this is the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: original Superplex City. He would just come out superplex people
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and scream that's all we do. And everyone just loved
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: it because he came out and the I mean, I'm
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: not gonna lie, the players went fucking wild. But yeah,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and also I think it was because like also the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: match was everyone the match was cut short because like
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: you because again if you're a wrestling fan, you can
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: especially during that age, like all right, we got four
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: hours here, it's like, all right, something went long because
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: we have free matches left and like someone's gonna catch
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately that match, if that match would have been like
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: a half hour, I think it was like twelve minutes.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that would be that is my number one worst,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: not saying it's the worst WrestleMania, but that's my number
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: one worst for selfish reasons, and so my number one
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: best for selfish reasons. So yeah, all right, that stuff said, Yeah,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I'll do I'll start with the number five. You don't mind,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: we'll switch up here because obviously I'm gonna have a
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: shorter list than you are at this point now because
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I gave away my number one. As I said, my
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: honorable mention was the stages number five. I do when
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I go back to the circle things, even though we
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: weren't alive for it. For me, it's WrestleMania three, Hogan
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: slam of the Giant. It is the moment then put
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: professional wrestling in the map. Like WrestleMania one is what
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: saved it was what saved the WWE, but WrestleMania three
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: is what saved professional wrestling because like you literally have
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and again, wrestling fan, you study it. You know, Andre
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: was slammed a thousand times, but in terms of the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: main casual viewer, which was pretty much ninety five percent
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: of the people this time, no one ever saw that.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And Hogan slammed the Giant, gave him the like drop
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and won the title or he kept he's the ship,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: he'd retained, but like no one ever knew that or
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: saw that, and it was it's a huge it's a
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: huge moment. They replay it every fucking week, which I
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: don't blame them in front of ninety three thousand, ninety
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: three thousand people. But that's my number five brother, damn dude,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And I guarantee you, and I guarant to you those
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: little kids that were crying because of that beer thing.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I've probably seen that video a thousand times. That's probably
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: their favite wrestling that's probably their favorite wrestling moment.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Sorry, oh man, oh dude. Yeah, that's fucking fucking hard,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: hard list to make, but and it's hard to find
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: the right fucking order, dude. But umm shit, Okay, I
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: don't think I gave an honorable mention.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: For best.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: You did not know for best I did not, Ah, dude.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I think if you're in a jam, just acknowledge your
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: tribal chief.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I think an honorable mention. No, that you
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: mentioned it, though, Like I think an honorable mention should
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: be the Okay, that's gonna be number one, that's gonna
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: be I want okay, okay, I want to say honorable
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: mention kind of in the same vein of my last
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: honorable mention because it was like good and bad. Yeah,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be the streak ending broadcast versus Undertaker from
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: from thirty as the best. Wow. Okay, it's just like
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: it's such a shock, you know, hold on.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: This this one no that I'm not gonna lie. That
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: was that was one of the last times in wrestling.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I was genuinely shocked because I'll never forget that's the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: first wrestling menia I watch with my now wife, my
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: now wife, right, And of course she, you know, she's
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: been a good she's been a good spouse, good partner.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: She's like, okay, like this is what you're into, I
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: might as well watch and just get and see what
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: it's all about. And she didn't understand the gravit house
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: of like why literally everyone it because like okay, for example,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I mean you remember old house. Her and I are
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: in the back room by the pool table watching it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: My family's in the front room, and she just literally
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: hears Scot goed, what the fuck.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: That's so? Then he's fuck actually.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Because again and everyone's reaction it was gim because no
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: one ever expected because it was what twenty it was
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: twenty in one or twenty one in one, it was
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: one of those. But like I mean, paulm he said,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: every fucking way I remember by now, yeah it was
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: twenty and I'm pretty sure it's twenty and one or no,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: twenty one. No, it was twenty one and o and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: then twenty one in one and Broccolans are broke. It
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: was twenty one straight years he won WrestleMania and Broccolsner,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: which apparently take her legitimate got fucked up.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I hesitated to put it on. I'm kind
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: of regretting at putting it there. That's not on my
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: list honorable mention that I also honorable mentioned the Heist
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: of the Century. What was that? Thirty one thirty one?
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: The next year, Lesnar versus reigns with Seth catching in
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: the money in the bank, adding up stealing the title
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: like winning the winning the match, big shock, kind of
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: the same kind of shock value. No one's ever really
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: done it during the main event like that, And for
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: him to win, especially with the tear that Lesner is
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: on over the last few years, crazy good times, big, big,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: big finish, kind of a shocking finish and to end
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: the show with that is a pretty bold move. I
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: think it paid out for everybody involved in the Little
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Man almost everybody anyway. But yeah, my actual number five, okay, okay,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: that's going to be number five shit, shit, shit shit
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: that's up there. I want to say, okay, okay, okay, okay,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: but yeah, got it. I'm gonna go with Koffee Mania
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Kofe Madiamania thirty five. This one's got kind of a
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: personal connection for me because I think I was I
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: saw some of the build up for this match live.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: There were these gauntlets. You were at the Gauntlets show.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I forgot about that. Were you there too? Or no?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: No, I wasn't there, right, yeah, right?
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: And I can't remember. Was it Kofe? Yeah, Kofe fought
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: like six other dudes or was it the did I
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: see the New Day one?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Did you see? I think you saw the New Day
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: where the nud like he had they had to fight
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: on his behalf in his gauntlet, right, So they.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Were building this up really strong. Again, Daniel Bryan was
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: the heel in this situation as the world champion. Somehow
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: he's the heel even though he was fighting on the
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: planets like advocating for people to eat.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Fact he got a hem belt was fucking hilarious.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: It's awesome, It's actually awesome. But yeah, a lot of
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: build up for this A lot of people. It was
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: really booked as like so many people were in Kofe's
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: corner and it had such a big, you know, emotional
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: weight to it, and he would go over. He would
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: win his first world title. We won't talk about how
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: we lost it. You know, it happened, you know, to
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: talk about why or how it happened. But the match itself,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: the emotional weight to it, the finish was great. I
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: think he counted the knee with like the Troubling Paradise
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: or some shit, big big, you know, big big ups
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: to Koch and the New Day, And yeah, everybody wanted
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: to see it, and it was one of those really
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: feel good moments to your jerkers, What do you want
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: to say? What else can you say? Five star moment?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I start the wait I game number one two was?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I said number one was twenty two was number five?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: What do you get number five? Two? Oh yeah, Holgan
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Simon and uh four for me, I'm just gonna say again,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be the best moment, but I always
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: say moments in this space. Uh it's any wrestle media
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Undertaker entrance, even when he was doing the biker gimmick shit.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Every time, I don't take you may to wrestling entrance.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately towards the end it became an ongoing gag and
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: joke and betting pool thing of like how long is
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: it gonna take from the walk down to the rhine.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: But like it was, they always went above and beyond
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: for his entrance where there was pyro or I remember
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: wrestling with thirty where they literally had caskets for every
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: guy he had ever beat with thirt, nymn it and shit.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: They just they always went above and beyond for any
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: time to take Mad to WrestleMania entrance. It was always
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: really cool. I mean, there's the nineteen one with Limbiscuit.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: We're like heat Fred Durst can't stop cussing that you
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: keep cutting him and own ship. Yeah, my obviously the
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: one I too wrestled my twenty two was awesome, my
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: personal I mean the twenty two one. My personal favorite
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: is twenty nine where he comes through the stage and
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: like there's these like they have these guys like dressed
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and like all black, and they're like reaching out trying
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: to grab him like haities rising from hell and shit,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: like it's it's badass. That's my personal favorite one I've
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: ever watched on television. But yeah. For me, it's any undertaker, wrestle,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: any entrance.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I'm sending a trend.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: You're kind of going more abstract things, and I'm actually
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: listing mattresses. But that's fine, that's fine, two different lists.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: An't worry.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I have I have, I have a match, Nora, you
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: have some matches for sure.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Let's see. Uh, I got this one, those that three,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: damn it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna have to kind of fudge the numbers
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: a little bit, but.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: That's all right. M alright, fine, So.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna kind of go back and add to my
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: number five.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Decent ship ship ship ship.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I thought I was prepared.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not prepared because I've got.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Too much ship. I've got too much ship.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: That's too.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: That's too. That's gonna be number one. So I'm gonna
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: add to my number five. Uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I'm gonna relegate kof Mania to an honorable mention.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: How dare you?
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry?
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: You had a shitt I'm getting well.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: No, it's okay. Because icetond Wrestling at thirty five was
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: when I have a gripe with because it was a
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: fucking twelve hour WrestleMania. That's the only good moment I
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: had for that number five.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: My number five is WrestleMania thirty. Uh, it's going to
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: be Daniel O'Brian winning the big one Yreslemania. He wins both.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: He beats Randy Orton and Bautista in a triple threat match.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: But let's not forget the opening of the show. He
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: wrestled Triple h for a shot to be in that match, period,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: So this guy was pulling double duty against the very
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: heavy hitters. The triple threat was almost two on one
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: for the most part because Orton and Batista didn't want
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: him to be there at all, so they tried to
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: put him out and with one of the sickest double
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: finishers through a table you'll ever see, Patista bomb into
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: an RKO just nuts, you know. And then this is
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: But this was in the middle of the Yes movement,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: right This was full on post supersena the fans want
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: what the fans want, you know, and trying to shove
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: other superstars down their throats. They inadvertently created that like
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: one of the most over superstars ever with Daniel Bryan,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: the Yes chance that people still do to this day,
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: you know, and you know, in probably one of the
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: smartest moves ever, like Vince booked him to win this
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: huge match and overcome all the odds, right again, similar
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: to Kofi Mania. We don't have to talk about what
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: happened afterwards, but the media moment, that's great. He beat
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: the authority figures. He beat these two like megastars and
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Orton and Batista. This guy who made his name on
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: the indies, you know, came in WWE with not much
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: fanfare and got the shitty shitty positions and you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: made it through all that stuff, stuck it out and
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: like ended up having this crazy moment. Insane, insane, and
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: so yeah, that's my number five. Okay, number four, Number
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: four is going to be uh let's go through the
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: list here. Number four is WrestleMania seventeen, the Dudley Boys
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: versus edgend Christian versus Boys for the ww TAG Championships
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: in the second ever TLC match.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: This sorry, rupt, that's my number three.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Actually seems that's fine. That's my number four. So yeah,
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I showed in a new era of like extreme you know,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: high stakes, full on gonzo. Let's jump off these huge ladders.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Go through tables. Let's do this crazy spot where you know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Jeff Hardy gets well he's hanging into the title belts
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: and mid air and crazy shit, and like you had
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Rhino and Spick, Dudley and Leda was like the corner
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: people all having these crazy spots and it was just
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: mayhem generalation derby style match, you know, and these these
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: young teams obviously like had a lot of experience, but
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: like this would have assured like, you know, this would
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: make their names and it was it was crazy to see,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: still crazy to see, but even back then, it was
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: like people weren't doing big matches like this on pay
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: per view television, especially not in the ww A. You know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: so awesome, awesome stuff.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, and I know we're kind of like he
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: made that kind of like he has matches and I
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: just have like certain things. No, that is the match.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: That is one of my favorite matches ever. And that
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: was the match And I was wh live in two
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: thousand and one where it was like the first time
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I was like that I was never not probably a
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: wrestling fan. I was like, I'm so proud of me
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: a wrestling fan because like a bunch of dudes going
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: through fucking car crash stunts with each other. It just
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: was so cool. It was high action, high pace, just
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: like the like there's like you have three teams going
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: against each other, and there's a spot where like the
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: three quote unquote, like the third man of each group
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: comes out and just beats a shit ever each other.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: For example, what was it, Leada absolutely obliterates I think
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: it was Spike Dougley with a chair shot like Concussion City,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and then for some reason just takes off her sh
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: people of two thousand and one easy, but like she
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: just rips off her shirt and chucks at him and
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: she's like talking shit and then she gets three D
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: for no fucking reason. It's just like, okay, of course
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you have the Spear, which has shown like the like
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the Slam and Andre every freaking week. You have the Swantons,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: you have the ending with the double the quadruple tables
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: getting broken into and it was such and it was
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: such a I loved know one people don't talk about
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: this another how they won. It was such a car
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: crash and like literally like Rhino had to put one
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: of the guys on his shoulders and carry him up
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: the ladder, and I love like if you watch like Edge,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: it was either Ed your Krish. I think it was
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: a Christian barely grab the tas like he couldn't do it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: He was just so dead and exhausted, and I just
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: love like how just chaotic it was, you know what
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I mean? And again it was one of those wrestled
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: main And again the reason why people say seventeen a
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: great wrestlemanium, it's because every single match was like follow that,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and they did. That's the thing. Like, there was like
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: really no bad matches in the cart. They were like.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: The worst match and it's not a knock on him
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: was the China Mally Holly match because it was a
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: squash match. It was five minutes, not even that. That's
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: all it was. But that's my number three, that's my
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: That for you, that's your four that he said that's
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: my number three.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: I couldn't have planned that better myself.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: You know, we even talk about it either, good for you,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: you know we didn't.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: We just did sync. I'm glad I switched my list around.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Sorry moms with each other at the same time, it's
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: just like what the fuck?
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, weird? Okay, number three for me, I'm gonna put it,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: uh is a tie kind of because you already we
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: already talked about Brockleaster versus Angle, We talked about we
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: referenced Angle versus Eddie, and I'm gonna throw in Eddie
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: versus Sean or I'm sorry, Sean versus Angle a versus
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Sean from twenty one yep. So because like current Angle,
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: obviously one of the best to ever do it, legit
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Olympic athlete, Olympic gold medalist, and again made a transition
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: into pro wrestling so smoothly. I think brock Listener is
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: another great example of like somebody with legit amateur experience
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: picking up the yeah, the picking up the uh, the
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: the taste for pro wrestling so easily. But obviously Eddie
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: versus Kurt goes down in history. You know, Eddie winning
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: the big one, but Sean versus Angle didn't really have
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: stakes of a title belt, anything like that. But you
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: talk about one of the best to ever do it,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: and Kurt Sean legitimately one of the best to ever
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: do it, and you know, continues to They'll go down
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: in history as some of the best wrestlers ever. But
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: you put these two in the ring and you just
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: had magic. I mean, you show this match to anybody
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: and you'll make a fan out of them. And so
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: I think this match deserves a lot of the praise
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: that it doesn't necessarily get because you know, again, wasn't
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: the main event, didn't really have a title on the line,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: but still legitimately fucking phenomenal match. And so I put
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: that alongside Eddie versus Kurt and Brock versus Kurt. I mean,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: Kurt Angle, anybody he goes in the ring with, they're
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: gonna have a great match. Oh I forgot to mention
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: honorable dishonorable mentioned for the other list Kurt Angle versus Baron.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Corbin, And that came to mind from what Rustlemania I
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: don't even know, thirty five match.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, Kurt's last match could have could have
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: been a lot better anyway, But yeah, good, good set
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: of the list. Number three Kurt Angle matches, go check
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: them out. Great great talent. Also honorable mention notre Man
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: versus Steamboat classic match. But you know, again, as time
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: goes on, you know, the talent got better and better.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: So didn't make the top five, but still fucking phenomenal match,
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: you can tell. I wasn't prepared for this.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: No, No, you're fine. No, that's a very good list.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: No for me, and this is where I was going back,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: like I knew my number one, I knew my number five,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I knew my A the worst ones I really hit
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the bait with. But my number two for me, and
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: it is a match, but it is not a pristine
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: technical wrestler, you know, Matt Classic as we call or
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: as some would call it. It is not a five
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: stars actually on this list, it's or this that other list.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's only three. For me, it's Rocken Hogan. Yeah,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: that is the perfect like an honorable mention also too,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I know we've done like is Taker Sean
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: that's another one where it kind of goes go involved
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: in that Matt class. But also that just wrestling nostalgia
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: from twenty five or was it our twenty Fan Anniversary
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Wrestling twenty five silver Star. No, for me, it's Rock
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: again at eighteen. That is the perfect one. It's like, hey,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: tell me what professional wrestling is. You show them that
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: it's literally a wrestler who was a bad guy who
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: used to be you know, it's actually, if anything, it's
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: literally John Cena Cody. It's literally you have the guy
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: that everyone loves and then you have the old grizzle
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: veteran who came back when he he at this point
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: he was well established to be a bad guy because
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Hogan was in the nWo, but he had met with
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: a w in five six year actually almost like ten
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: years action almost like ten years almost like there's some
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: man he was at nine came back at eighteen. So yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: nine years. He's gone for nine years, almost a whole decade,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: and he comes back and as the weeks go on,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: he's getting booed, like there's that mix of bootes, that
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: mix of it's Hogan, it's nostalgia. And I was at
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that first show that for thankfully I was at that
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: raw he came back for the first time in ten years,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: and he did this promo saying, you know the intra
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: cop and the place is like and which which it's
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: funny we talk about Hogan considering now, of course, if
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: we would have known now what we know, then you
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. But like Chig was literally like
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: like kissing this guy's feet, kissing the yeah, kissing this
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: guy's spray paint feet or whatever. Those boots were or
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: airbrush spray, like he couldn't even talk for a minute
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: because he was so emotional.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: Almost lost it.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, sorry, he was so emotional with like with
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: how we were like like acknowledged we were acknowledging him,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: and then him and the Rock have his face off,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Rock bottoms him, and then Hogan proceeds to drive a
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: semi truck into an ambulance and they all say, there
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: in a parking lot. But then the match that wrestlming
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: in eighteen happens and from like sixty seventy thousand people,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: and they had the plan. Rock goes in as a
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: bad guy, Holding goes in is a good guy. They're
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: gonna do the classic good guy bad guy match, and
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: they literally hit the switch on the fly because the
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: crowd literally said, fuck you, Dwayne, we want Hogan like
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's one of the greatest and it's and
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: it's how I say it. I call it the greatest
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: wrestling call ever that didn't resolve in the win. Other
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: than mankind you know, as my god, as my winns,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: he's broken in half. Hogan does I think he gets
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Rock Bottomer or people's levels, and he kicks out. He
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: kicks out, and he's hulking up and the place is
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: losing their ship. There's a classic. It's a classic. He's
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: hulking up. There's this guy in the front row and
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: a five times way too big white T shirt and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: the guy's losing his shit behind him. I just remember that.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I don't why always bring it up. But Hogan does
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: the hulk up, does the kick, does the leg drop,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: and j R. Literally goes he beat Andre the Giant
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: with that move, and it's one of the greatest calls.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: But the Rock kicks out and then Rock wins, and
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I find it really quick, very funny that in my
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: top five list, Hogan's in it twice, and yet my
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: all time favorite wrestler, Steve Austin is in three of
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: your worst. He'sn't actually one of my He's in one
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: of my worst too. Actually, don't take it back twice
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: because he was in that celebrity. Yeah, he's in our
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: worst less category because I also mentioned the heel turn.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: It's funny. You should mention that. It's funny. You should
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: mention that because my number two I'm gonna double dip
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I thought I think continue, Sorry think
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: he did number two?
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Sorry? No, you you go first this time? So my
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: number two is up next. But no, So I'm gonna
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: double dip a little bit, only because they're back to back.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: We got WrestleMania thirteen, Brett Hard versus Stone Cold in
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: a submission match with Kenri as a special guest. WrestleMania fourteen,
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Stone Cold Steve Boston versus Shawn Michaels for the WWF
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: Championship with Mike Tyson. It's a special guest enforcer, right,
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: so this kind of depicts the rise of Stone colas
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: Steve Boston, right. Obviously, he came into w w F
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: as the ring master. That didn't last very long, thank you, thankfully.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: Stone Seve Boston was kind of the heel going into this, right,
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: talking a lot of trash, running people down. But in
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: his match with Brett Hart, you had this infamous double
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: turn where Stone Cold gets hurt and the fans are
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: cheering for him, rooting him on. Brad Hart gets gets aggressive,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: he's attacking him, doesn't like how Austin's been talking shit
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: about him, and then the match ends in this just
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: iconic way where stone Could's been busted open he's got
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: the red the Crimson mask as it's called. And but
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: he just won't tap out. He's in the sharpshooter. He
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: can't get out, he won't tap, he won't tap, and
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: he just passes out. He passes out from the pain,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: and the match is called. That's the winner, and a
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: star is born. In defeat, a star is born. Exactly.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Flash forward to a year later, the meteoric rises has
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: been He's just incomparable. Yea, the face of pro wrestling,
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: one of the most popular, you know, pop icons that
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: you know, and one of those one of those figures
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: that transcended wrestling before that was really before it was
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: really popular as it is now you knows it as
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: it wasn't accepted, you know, still look down upon and stuff.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: But again we talked about a lot of these celebrity guests.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Mike Tyson a fan and wanted to be part of it,
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: not stand out right. You had Sean Michaels as part
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: of d X, really popular group, obviously anti establishment guys,
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: but kind of running the show, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: you had stone cold of Austin again fighting the power,
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: finding the powers that be what made him so popular
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: and then you have, you know, Mike Tyson apparently in
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: the corner of DX, so it looks like the odds
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: are stacked against still cold, but obviously Mike Tyson turns
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: the tables and uh comes in with a quick three
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: count you know what I mean, but still super entertaining.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah and uh yeah, just one of the fucking fel
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: good moments, you know what I mean, crowning of this
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Stone cald Is champion and obviously in there with Michaels
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: again obviously really great worker. But yeah, phenomenal match, phenomenal
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: moment and iconic crowning of you know, a new era,
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: our favorite wrestler of all time.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Really good, your.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Too, Stnow go Steve Austin. I'm gonna go with her.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I will drop you on your stack of dimes.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Hit you with a stunner one two three, A kickback
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: with a couple Steve Washers?
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Hey what let me ask you something. How much you
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: get paid for that stupid aircut? If you paid four
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: ninety five, you paid fortninety too much?
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: What?
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: Shave your head off?
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Shave your hair off?
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Lock me? What? Kick back with a couple? Steve Washers?
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: What?
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: What?
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: What do you what?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Three, what four?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: What I'm gonna need a uber home a drunk what? What?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Ship fires?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: What a plastered with that? As I said earlier, my
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: number one is wrestle By twenty two. Obviously it's selfish reasons.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: I was able. I was fortunate to go to WrestleMania.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: It was a good WrestleMania, despite what it was supposed
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: to be. You had the crazy hardcore match of the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Edge mcfully going through a flaming table. Yes, the tight
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: table is really on fire. Yes I was in the balcony,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: and yes I can still feel the heat. Obviously. You
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: had Shawn Michaels and mis Man being the absolute piss
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: out of each other in a street fight. You had
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: seen Triple H. Well it doesn't get this great praise.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: It was actually a good match, but also like the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: entrances were just fucking sant. Triple H comes out as
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: fucking Cone of the Barbarian, and skin it comes out
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: as al Capone. And a little guy named Sam punk
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: happened to be in the in the entrance way, dress
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: up as a gainster. Didn't do anything, but he was
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: there and then and then that s right with my dog. Yeah,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: there was just an over card, and it was the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: last arena WrestleMania probably ever, probably ever. That's my number
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: one I will say, though I know I put in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: two matches. I put in the TLC and the Rock
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: and Hogan. I know. Another quick little honorable mention. I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: know you mentioned twenty one of the Michaels and Sean.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: To me, I think that's like I mean, I personally
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: no offense taker Sean. I think that's the better match.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: That's just my nicest opinion. But for me, honorable mention,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: it was Steve Austin at thirty eight when he came
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: back and fought Kevin Owens. Like is a kid you
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Austin was always the one guy
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: that would never come out of retirement, and he had
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: been offered and he never did it. And then after
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: that ten years and I came back in Dallas, Texas
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: to finish my story. What and yeah, to me that
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I was just like I remember there were little people
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: I work with and stuff like that, like they didn't
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: give a shit about wrestling, and they're like, yeah, Saturday night,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: I'm on the couch. I gotta watch Austin drink some
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: beers and beat the shit out of people, which is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: exactly what did. And then the dude, being an animally
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: is a guy was like in his mid fifties at
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: the time that he's I think he literally just turned
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: sixty this year, sixty last year. Dude took a bump
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: of concrete, like what the fuck? So all, okay, but
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: what is your un We'll get out of here. That
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: did this? What is your.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Well, it's funny you mentioned take your versus Sean, and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna again fudge the numbers a little bit because
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: they're back to back and they're really kind of connected.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: You've got WrestleMania twenty five Sean Michaels versus Undertaker, WrestleMania
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: twenty six Sean Michelos risus Undertaker, streak versus career. He's
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: got WrestleMania twenty seven Triple H versus Undertaking and No
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Holds Bard match, and then WrestleMania twenty eight Triple H
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: versus Undertaker and hell Helen a Cell match with Michaels
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: as a special guest referee. I'm again, obviously four matches,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: but I think it's one of the best examples probably
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: ever of say it with me long term booking you know,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: obviously Taker versus Michael's the first time around, Michaels just
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: wanted to try and take the streak. I think there
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: was maybe something to do with the ring rob maybe
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: that was after this. That was the second That was
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: the second one, the second one. Right then Michaels becomes
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: obsessed with taking the streak and puts his career on
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: the line and loses again Undertaker, probably one of the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: best to ever do it. It's anonymous with WrestleMania, but
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: it trying to avenge his falling out y, his fallen friend,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: Triple H tries to go after the Taker and this
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: no holds barred match and still can't do it. And
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: so to finally culminate this story, Hell in the Cell,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: probably one of the best Hell in the Cell matches ever,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: we got the Three Men. It's anonymous with the Attitude era,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: and they call this match kind of the end of
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: the Era or the Last Outlaws or whatever you want
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: to call it. And again Taker hits the Tombstone and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Michaels has to mercifully, if not remorsefully and regretfully count
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: the three for his friend to just put an end
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: to it. And that match is really sorry.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: That match probably the best kickout ever where Michael's kicked
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: take her in the face and then you watch to
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: the pedigree and take her kicked out literally at two
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: point seconds.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, crazy crazy matches again, like matches you could
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: show anybody and we'll make a fan out of them.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: But I think the story throughout these four matches again,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: these matches are like a year were apart each, you know,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: to know that, like the build still was there, you know,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: and people were like clamoring to see what happened next.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: You don't have to overdo it, you don't have to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: really shove it down people's throats. People want to see
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: it and like knowing that, like the long term storytelling
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: was there. Again, these all these guys had crossed paths
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: in one way, shape or form like a decade previously
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: to this. But you know, these guys are some of
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: the greatest ever do it. And you know again like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: some scary spots with the Taker versus Michael's. You know,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: some close calls again like hell in the cell. Anything
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: can happen, you know, but some of the best guys
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: ever strap up boots and like this the last match
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: there was when Taker went twenty you know, and to
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: think twenty years of his career and to know that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: he was still able to do it to that level
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: any of them really, but yeah, really great milestone moments
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: in WrestleMania history, but also just some of some of
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: the best wrestling you'll ever see. And yeah, this tops
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: my list. I know Stone Cold should be up there,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: and like he again, my top five was really like
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: a top ten smashed together. But as Yeah, I think
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: if we're talking about WrestleMania, I think Undertaker makes and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: breaks the list, you know what I mean.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Like you can't you can't talk about the super Bowl,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: that's talk about Tom Brady. You can't talk about wrestling
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: about Shawm, Michaels An Artaker. You just can't.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: One's mister WrestleMania. One's infamous for the streak, the undefeated
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: streak at WrestleMania. So and I think Triple H being
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: in the mix is obviously like well warranted, you know,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: his career has been and those, but but yeah, this
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: this is some of his best work. And again some
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: of like the final matches of these guys careers more
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: or less if you don't count Saudi Arabia. Yeah, man, Yeah,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: that's my that's my number one.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: That's a good dig.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And on that note, it was a great list. I
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: want to thank you. I do know what it's like
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: for you, say, you being up late for this for.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Sure, you got going on.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: No that we're not even being paid for this, unfortunately,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: they're promote It's just I always enjoy wrestling every year.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: I don't feel that watch it only they only watch
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: wrestling and wrestling every year. It is their super Bowl.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: It is the showcase to the immortals. Dude, It's always
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: a good time. It's always a good show. My wife
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: and I watch every year now together. Actually, yeah, we
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: didn't watch know, we watched it. We watched it that
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: one year that I was a tunery, except we were
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: we were there at a different house one night. But anyway,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going on that road. What
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: the fun I'm talking about? Too tired? Uh? Yeah, No.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I want to thank you all for joining us for
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: these last couple episodes. I appreciate your patience with this.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Weird delays and different times and stuff like that, and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: like part ones and two's and all that stuff.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: This part two might just be another two parter.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean, it doesn't matter. There's probably
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: still people who are just turning this podcast because they've
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: been watching Chairs the last four weeks. At any rate,
• 1:08:22
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• 1:08:26
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• 1:08:29
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• 1:08:32
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• 1:08:34
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• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, although there were some there were
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: some chairs in this episode we had. We had tables
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: and chairs with a with a hardcore match with another
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: chair in there which got through it. We always have chairs,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: there's always a chair involved. These next episodes we'll see
• 1:08:49
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• 1:08:52
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• 1:08:54
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• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Germany on that one. I'm not gonna be at the celebration,
• 1:08:59
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• 1:09:02
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• 1:09:17
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• 1:09:30
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• 1:09:32
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• 1:09:34
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• 1:09:36
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• 1:09:39
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• 1:09:45
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• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: I enjoy our and my pan. I don't know what
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: the fun you're doing on the mic, but my gosh,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I just got a hair ball.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: Anything, dude, what's going on? Listen to that back was
• 1:10:18
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