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False Allegations in the Military, a Silent Epidemic with Arvis Owens _ Fireside Chat 248 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Oh, let's begin.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, Hello everybody, welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Brian and this is the Fireside Chat and I
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  Speaker 2: am joined by my very special guest act, Arvis Owens,
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  Speaker 2: and you, Arvis, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Brian for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's good to have you. So it's
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  Speaker 2: it's funny. We got a lot of messages from a
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  Speaker 2: couple of different people that had very similar reasons for
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  Speaker 2: coming on the show and actually confused me. But you
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  Speaker 2: work with a well a group it's just called I
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  Speaker 2: got the link here in the description called would you
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  Speaker 2: doc care? And you talk about essentially false allegations in
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  Speaker 2: with regards to the military. Is that a fair like
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  Speaker 2: really really really short version of things, right? It is?
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  Speaker 4: And specifically false accusations of sexual assault and domestic violence
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  Speaker 4: in the military.
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  Speaker 2: Specific Yes, And what was I gonna say? Can you
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  Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about like how this got
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  Speaker 2: started and like what you guys do and how bigger
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  Speaker 2: organization is and such.
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  Speaker 4: Perfect Thank you for that. So this all started about
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and nine thousand. There was pressure via Congress,
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  Speaker 4: the president at that time as well as the media
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  Speaker 4: that the military wasn't doing enough to combat sexual assault
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  Speaker 4: sexual harassment.
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  Speaker 3: So let me first start off.
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  Speaker 4: By saying that we believe that you know, women should
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  Speaker 4: be believing things should be investigated. The difference that we
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  Speaker 4: have is when the evidence shows that the person is innocent,
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  Speaker 4: then that's what should happen. So around two thousand and
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  Speaker 4: nine twenty ten, the pressure ramped up on the military
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  Speaker 4: to get convictions. There was a letter from the then
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  Speaker 4: vice chair of the Joint Chiefs that was bragging about
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  Speaker 4: the military getting convictions in cases that civilians wouldn't take.
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  Speaker 4: So I want your audience to think about that for
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  Speaker 4: a second. You know, why wouldn't civilians take a case
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  Speaker 4: or lack of evidence, not enough evidence, no evidence, or
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  Speaker 4: it's a false allegation. And yet not only was the
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  Speaker 4: military taking those cases, they were getting convictions. And I
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  Speaker 4: have examples of those cases. So in twenty thirteen, I
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  Speaker 4: myself was falsely accused. I went to court martial. I
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  Speaker 4: testified in my own defense in a military court. At
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  Speaker 4: that time, the person bringing the charges gets to pick
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  Speaker 4: the pool of the jury that judges you. They get
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  Speaker 4: to decide what evidence you can present and what you can't.
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  Speaker 4: Who can testify and who can't if you get experts
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  Speaker 4: the whole nine yards.
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  Speaker 3: So I was found guilty but sentenced.
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  Speaker 4: To zero jail, but I was forced to register as
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  Speaker 4: a sex offender and I was given a dishonorable discharge.
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  Speaker 4: So during sentencing, my jury came back and says, we
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  Speaker 4: made a mistake. Can we revote that guilty verdict? And
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  Speaker 4: the judge said, and the judge asked why, and they
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  Speaker 4: said that my accuser had been saying inconsistent statements. So
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  Speaker 4: you and I call them lies, but in court they
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  Speaker 4: say inconsistent statements. And the judge said, she's been doing
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  Speaker 4: that the whole trial, so she didn't overturn it, didn't
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  Speaker 4: do anything. And then a series of missteps happened. So
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  Speaker 4: at first it was about my case alone. I was
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  Speaker 4: working to kind of get that overturned and to get justice,
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  Speaker 4: and in the process I met organizations. There's an organization
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  Speaker 4: called Save our Heroes out of Texas, awesome people who
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  Speaker 4: started accumulating thousands of cases just like mine, of military men, Army, Navy,
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  Speaker 4: Air Force, Marines, and Coastguard who were falsely accused and
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  Speaker 4: wrongly convicted. And slowly the story started trickling in and
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  Speaker 4: we started coming together to tell our story. We talked
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  Speaker 4: a little bit about the petition in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 4: When we started that petition, the State of Virginia saw that,
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  Speaker 4: contacted DoD and removed me from the registrant.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to put that in perspective.
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  Speaker 4: They never do that, right, they never do that. But
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  Speaker 4: it was, hey, we removed you, but in the military,
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  Speaker 4: you still have that criminal record. And something they do
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  Speaker 4: in the military is they title you. So if they
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  Speaker 4: investigate you and exonerate you, they still title you, so
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  Speaker 4: it looks like you have a criminal record. If you
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  Speaker 4: go to a non judicial hearing, they also title you,
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  Speaker 4: so you look like you have a criminal record. So
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  Speaker 4: so again it started with myself trying to get media
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  Speaker 4: attention and press attention to correct my own case, and
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  Speaker 4: then kind of fell into all these different organizations and
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  Speaker 4: groups and people who were doing the same and that's
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  Speaker 4: how we really got started.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm. So there's a lot in there that I want
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  Speaker 2: to like dig a little bit deeper into. So you
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  Speaker 2: said that at some point in the recent past, the
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  Speaker 2: pentagon of the government or the military said we have
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  Speaker 2: to do something about sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual impropriety
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  Speaker 2: against women. At what time do you remember or at
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  Speaker 2: least what year when that, I guess initiative began.
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  Speaker 3: About twenty ten is when it started?
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  Speaker 2: Twenty ten? Okay, and when? And then he said there
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  Speaker 2: was another a point where they said, essentially the logic being,
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  Speaker 2: we have a problem with sexual harassment or sexual assault,
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  Speaker 2: sexual impropriety in the military, and we know that this
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  Speaker 2: is happening for whatever reason, and so therefore if we
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  Speaker 2: have to be getting a certain number of convictions, and
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  Speaker 2: we're not getting those convictions. So that sounds like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a hammer looking for a nail. So what I want
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  Speaker 2: to know is, what do you know when that became
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  Speaker 2: the next thing? When when did they start saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we have said that this is a problem,
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  Speaker 2: and now we are finding that there isn't enough solution
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  Speaker 2: to the problem that we know is there even though
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  Speaker 2: we haven't looked into it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that that also started in twenty ten.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm going to give your audience some examples that
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  Speaker 4: they can google themselves. Okay, well he's not the commandant now,
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  Speaker 4: but if you look up Commandant of the Marine Corps
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  Speaker 4: heritage brief. We need more convictions. So This was a
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  Speaker 4: then commandant of the Marine Corps who speaking in front
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  Speaker 4: of young people. He didn't say we need more justice.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't say we need more investigations. He said, and
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  Speaker 4: I quote, we need more convictions.
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  Speaker 3: I have.
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  Speaker 4: There's a case of a Navy seal where a two
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  Speaker 4: star admiral was his convening authority, so the person overseeing
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  Speaker 4: his case. When that two star admiral retired, he came
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  Speaker 4: back with an affidavit and said, I knew this guy
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  Speaker 4: was innocent, but I believe the President that at that
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  Speaker 4: time and Senator gillibrandt you know, would that the Navy
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  Speaker 4: or he would be punished in some way. And we
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  Speaker 4: have that affidavit. I can share it with you. You can
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  Speaker 4: share it with your audience if you want. And they
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  Speaker 4: were looking the Senate Armed Service Committee was looking at
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  Speaker 4: your rate of convictions of sexual harassment sexual assaults to
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  Speaker 4: determine your promotion level right and even to this day,
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  Speaker 4: and the and the Army and the Air Force, I
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  Speaker 4: know for a fact, on their officer performance appraisals, there's
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  Speaker 4: a blurb on there about how you the environment you
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  Speaker 4: create for sexual assault sexual harassment, and Army puts it
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  Speaker 4: on certificates and things like that, so that pressure started immediately.
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  Speaker 3: They wanted to see results and they did that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that well, that's that's crazy, man. I mean, like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I've seen this. For example, this happens on college campuses,
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  Speaker 2: where the first you start from a conclusion, which is,
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  Speaker 2: you know there is a problem with sexual assault, sexual harassment, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and we know it exists, we're not going to look
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  Speaker 2: into it. So therefore we have to have a certain
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  Speaker 2: number of cases that essentially back up our conclusions. And uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it hurts a lot of It hurts a
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  Speaker 2: lot of men, especially on college campuses. So yeah, seeing
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  Speaker 2: this in military, it doesn't really does it surprise you?
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  Speaker 3: It really did.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm glad you mentioned the civilian universities because that
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  Speaker 4: happened around twenty eleven. So there was a Dear Colleague
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  Speaker 4: letter where they took away due process.
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  Speaker 3: So for your.
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  Speaker 4: Audience, who don't know, is someone makes an allegation and
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  Speaker 4: they would determine the results of that without allowing you
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  Speaker 4: representation the accused, without allowing you to question the evidence.
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  Speaker 4: And that didn't change until Betsy DeVos became Secretary of Education,
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  Speaker 4: and she changed those rules and then they recently changed
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  Speaker 4: them back for August.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so we are aware of that with colleges
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  Speaker 2: with civilian colleges. Is that also like is there something
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  Speaker 2: like that or parallel to that in the military.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, yes.
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  Speaker 4: So the difference in the two is the military has
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  Speaker 4: a court system too, so then you could go to
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  Speaker 4: prison as well as being a registered sex offender.
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  Speaker 3: So that's one part.
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  Speaker 4: And then they also have an administrative process it's called
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  Speaker 4: non judicial punishment or Article fifteen, where which is similar
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  Speaker 4: to the university where the person overseeing it decides what
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  Speaker 4: evidence is used, decides the results, and you have to
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  Speaker 4: adhere to those and so that's what they're doing now
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  Speaker 4: because people don't get visibility of that. So that's similar
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  Speaker 4: to what's happening at the universities.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds and so you if you were if
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  Speaker 2: you were subject to that court in the military, you
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  Speaker 2: couldn't then like appeal and go to a higher court.
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  Speaker 2: Stops Okay, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know you you very much can appeal.
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  Speaker 4: Each service, the Navy and the Marine Corps together has
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  Speaker 4: a Criminal Court of Appeal CCA, and so you do
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  Speaker 4: get an appeal, but we find in many of these
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  Speaker 4: cases they did not Act, and then the highest military
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  Speaker 4: court is called CALF the Court of the Armed Forces,
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  Speaker 4: and then above that you could go Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 3: But very few of those cases get looked at.
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  Speaker 4: And if I can give you a few examples of
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  Speaker 4: what I'm talking about to bring that home without.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, imagine for a second.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure some of your listeners watched the show CSI,
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  Speaker 4: and so you'll watch CSI or show like it and
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  Speaker 4: you'll see DNA evidence. We have military cases Brian where
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  Speaker 4: the person had DNA evidence, it wasn't them, and the
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  Speaker 4: military didn't allow them to present it, so they got
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  Speaker 4: found guilty. Now, in many of those cases they were
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  Speaker 4: eventually overturned after those men served in prison, after they'd
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  Speaker 4: been on the registreet, and that they still have a record, right.
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  Speaker 4: We have cases where there was video evidence and they
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  Speaker 4: didn't allow it to come into court. There was one
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  Speaker 4: young man, it was an army case out of Kentucky
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  Speaker 4: where she went to the civilian authorities. First, they brought
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  Speaker 4: her in and recorded her statement and she admitted it
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  Speaker 4: was consensual. She admitted she was about to get kicked
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  Speaker 4: out for physical fitness things, and so based on her
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  Speaker 4: own statement.
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  Speaker 3: They dropped the case.
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  Speaker 4: It was the Army had a CID agent in there
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  Speaker 4: to witness her testimony. One year later, the military brought
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  Speaker 4: the same charge against him because it's not considered double
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  Speaker 4: jeopardy when the military does it.
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  Speaker 2: But guess what they did.
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  Speaker 4: They wouldn't allow him to present the video evidence of
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  Speaker 4: her confession and they would not allow that CID agent
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  Speaker 4: to testify.
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  Speaker 3: Again.
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  Speaker 4: They will deny evidence and do things like that, and
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  Speaker 4: so that's what we're talking about. It's, yeah, you deny evidence,
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  Speaker 4: you don't allow information.
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  Speaker 3: They call it Brady violations.
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  Speaker 4: Where we have a case a retired police officer, for instance,
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  Speaker 4: her son, where his accuser had a felony conviction. They
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  Speaker 4: asked for that information a year prior. They got it
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  Speaker 4: the day before. Like everything had done. He was getting
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  Speaker 4: something called a convenient authorities action, so.
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  Speaker 3: He couldn't use it in court and he couldn't use.
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  Speaker 4: It on his appeal right, And they said, what only
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  Speaker 4: became available here. And to tell you a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more about his it was she claimed that he had
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  Speaker 4: done all these brutal things. They got a special thermal
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  Speaker 4: camera to look at her skin. He said he'd bitten
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  Speaker 4: her punctured her. Guess what, no marks on her body,
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  Speaker 4: and they knew the system was working because they could
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  Speaker 4: see the layers of her tattoo. But yet he still
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  Speaker 4: got found guilty unfortunately sent.
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  Speaker 3: Us to thirty years.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I would tell you another man I call the
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  Speaker 4: candy bar kiss. Imagine this. I want your listeners to
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  Speaker 4: imagine this. The guy's at a bar, he's twenty one,
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  Speaker 4: hanging out with his friends, and a lady comes in
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  Speaker 4: wants to dance with him. She's dancing, doing shots, dirty dancing.
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  Speaker 4: She is talking suggestively, not only in front of him,
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  Speaker 4: but in front of his friends. They're hearing it, whooping
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  Speaker 4: and hollering. She asked him can they go back to
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  Speaker 4: his barracks and play a round? So he's like sure,
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  Speaker 4: she takes him there, They have relations and then afterwards. Now,
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  Speaker 4: this woman had four children and was married, and she
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  Speaker 4: told her husband she was going out for a candy bar.
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  Speaker 4: But they had unprotected sex and she wants a morning
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  Speaker 4: after pill.
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  Speaker 3: So she calls the hospital and they say, were you
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  Speaker 3: a victim of rape?
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  Speaker 4: They ask her several times, and she finally reluctantly says yes.
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  Speaker 4: She goes in and takes the test but she doesn't
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  Speaker 4: want to press any charges.
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  Speaker 3: She just wants to get that pill.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they go look at the video footage from the bar,
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  Speaker 4: they arrest him, and that young man was sentenced, I believe,
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  Speaker 4: twenty years in prison. So I want your readers to
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  Speaker 4: think about that, you know, the testimony of his friends
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  Speaker 4: and what she said, you know, her taking him back
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  Speaker 4: to the room, you know, and and him not allowing
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  Speaker 4: to pursu she liked. Her husband says she was going
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  Speaker 4: out for candy bar when she went she's doing shots and.
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  Speaker 3: Talking all this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Brian, I think it's important we believe in equal rights,
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  Speaker 4: but there's also equal responsibility and equal accountability, and that's
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  Speaker 4: something a lot of people won't talk about.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, absolutely, that's like that that that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like where we are when with the show that
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  Speaker 2: we do, it's always like we have to talk about
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  Speaker 2: not just like accountability and responsibility, but duty because it
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  Speaker 2: seems to be I mean, you're you're you served, right,
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  Speaker 2: you're a veteran, right, and so like thank you for
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  Speaker 2: your service. But yeah, like it shouldn't be limited to people,
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  Speaker 2: like I think everyday people they have duties, they have responsibilities.
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  Speaker 2: It's called being an adult. These are simple things, but
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, this is something nobody wants to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: It's very it makes people very uncomfortable. So and unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: there's like really serious consequences like the one you just
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  Speaker 2: told me about. That's I mean, that's a terrible story.
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  Speaker 2: Like if I was a young ut man in the
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  Speaker 2: military and I heard that I would never go out,
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  Speaker 2: I would you know, I would not enjoy myself.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and that's a lot of people think, well, I'm
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  Speaker 4: talking about spouses, false sleecus. They want custody of their children,
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  Speaker 4: or they want, you know, a division of property.
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  Speaker 3: And let me go back to that veteran question.
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  Speaker 4: I consider my VET myself a veteran, but the system
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  Speaker 4: doesn't even though I had twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: Years of service.
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  Speaker 4: Because of that dishonorable discharge, it gets wiped away. So
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  Speaker 4: I got that one is that they don't consider me
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  Speaker 4: a veteran because you have to have I think it's
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  Speaker 4: a couple of years of honorable service.
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  Speaker 3: So with an officer, it's all or nothing.
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  Speaker 4: So I consider myself a veteran, but the system does not,
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  Speaker 4: even though I did serve for twenty one years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for your service regardless, and I think
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  Speaker 2: I think you're a veteran. But can you tell me
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  Speaker 2: about your story? Is that two personal? Or is it
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  Speaker 2: I can't so yeah, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So, like I said, it was a coworker shouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: done it, but I did.
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  Speaker 2: My consensual and all that.
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  Speaker 4: So here, here's here's what I share with people, and
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  Speaker 4: I testified in my own defense. Is as an example,
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  Speaker 4: she is her own testimony. She claimed I didn't raise
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  Speaker 4: her pencil skirt. She didn't raise it, but that her
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  Speaker 4: pencil skirt automatically flew into the air, causing her legs
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  Speaker 4: to open, causing her to straddle me and open mouth
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  Speaker 4: kissed me on a chair. But in her mind she
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  Speaker 4: was not consenting, and that.
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  Speaker 3: I should have known them.
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  Speaker 4: And then she leaves and comes back again for more
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  Speaker 4: of that, but.
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  Speaker 3: Again in her mind she was not.
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  Speaker 4: Now like I said, I was charged with seven council
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  Speaker 4: sexual assault, found not guilty of six, and the seventh one.
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  Speaker 3: They asked to go back and revote it.
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  Speaker 4: I was also charged with violating a general order. She
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  Speaker 4: admitted I didn't do it. I testified I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 4: The judge says, we have a problem that there's no
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  Speaker 4: evidence he did this part and then soliciting someone other
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  Speaker 4: than your wife, which I did do. So it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of like the two star general who was just convicted,
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  Speaker 4: is he didn't sexually assault, but yeah, he did have
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  Speaker 4: an extra relationship, and so I did do that. And
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  Speaker 4: what I tell people, it's like speeding in a car,
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  Speaker 4: but you get a desk and it's on top of that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure, I you know, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Like like you said, you know, there could be parts
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  Speaker 2: of the story where you're like, yes, I was wrong
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  Speaker 2: for that, that decision was morally wrong, whatever, But that's
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  Speaker 2: not the same as a criminal offense, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a that's a whole. Those are like different
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  Speaker 2: things that happen on the same night. So I yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm looking and I saw, I think it's do
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  Speaker 2: you have? Do you do you? Are you still married?
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  Speaker 2: Does this have an effect on your marriage? Or?
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  Speaker 3: Of course it did. We went to counseling and we
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: worked through some some very difficult things. We still work
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: through some things, so we're still together.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, are there kids involved?
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yes? I have two children, two twin boys.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Do you think that? So? Yeah, it was it was
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: setting aside the moral question. Shouldn't in terms of like
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: the legal part of it, like this could have separated
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: you from your kids for like long periods of time,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: right like you could have.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Course, seriously, of course it could have.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: And I will tell you with many of the men
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I help and represent, they don't have access to their children.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: They can't see them, they can't see them at all.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I know men who can't go to their kids' graduations,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: they can't interact with them at all. And so I
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: was very fortunate in that respect that I do.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I get to see my children. They're upstairs now, probably
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: making more noise than they should. But most of the men.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: They get zero custody, they get zero visitation in many cases,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: or if they do get anything, it's supervised, and so
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: someone has to be there in order for them to
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: spend any time with their children.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: They can't take them to school.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Rian I tell people, I don't think they understand what
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: it's like to be a sex sprinder in this country.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Is you have white collar jobs, don't want to hire
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: you because of the liability and insurance. They're afraid that
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: if someone else were to accuse you, then the liability
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: insurance is going to cut a seven figures check. Their
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: premiums will go up, and then the public will think
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: ill of them. Is their jobs out there there to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: hire you if you murder people, but not if you're
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: found guilty of a sexual assault. And in the military, again,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: they don't know what's happening. Congress just signed a bill
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: so that your son eighteen to twenty six, I think
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: it is automatically gets registered for selective service so he
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: can be drafted, right, And the second wants to add
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: women to that, And so I want you to imagine
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: that for a second. Is it's because part of the
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: things that are happening is people know that these things
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: are happening and they don't want to be in that environment.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: So that your son, your male loved one.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Will be forced to do that. And so if people
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: don't say this is not okay, So we get a
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: lot of moms of boys who say, wait a minute,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: my daughter will be believed, but my son will not,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: regardless of the evidence he presents.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: And I go sadly, yes, yep, in fact the.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Case, and and so getting people angry about that to
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: the point where they act Brian is like climbing everest
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: with no Ah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yep, it sure is. I mean we that's again you're
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: you're preacher of the converted man, like we've been. It's
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: so hard to get people to have empathy for what
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: men go through, whether it's a father or nable to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: access his kids, or a homeless man or whatever. You
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: have to almost make it about boys so that people
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: start to see, oh, wait a minute, boys become men leader,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, really serious stuff, I mean really
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and such a shame. So like in colleges, they do
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: they have a they have a kind of court. It's
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a kangaroo court basically in the way that they deal
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: with these issues. But ultimately it's in the university's interests
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: in most cases to just find the guy guilty, expel
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: him whatever, just destroy his future and send him packing.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: And one thing that I think that what we don't
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: want to address because it's kind of scary for people,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is that sometimes women don't act in the best interests
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: of society, like they Sometimes they do what they want
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and they think about how they benefit in the moment.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that as a reality.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It's not even really about equality or whatever. Fairness. I mean,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: if a man is evil, we call it what it is.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: If a man does good, we should call it what
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: it is. If a woman does evil, we should call
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it what it is. So and I think that it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: based on that one story where a woman wanted to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: get the Morning After pill or Plan B or whatever
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: it was from the hospital. She had to make a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: false allegation in order to get it, but she was
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: willing to do it because she wanted to get the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: pill for free or what you know, because I guess
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: it would have treated like an emergency and she would
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: have gotten it for free.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Plus how do you like your husband? What where you've been?
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And you got Hickey's and all this other stuff you need.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: You need a story for that.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Well, the Snickers bar attacked her, you see, And you know, I.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Don't know which candy bar it was. I don't want to.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I don't want to. I like, I don't want to,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: So we don't want to say that. And I'm glad
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: you mentioned about the universities because I work with some
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: of those people as well. I work with a couple
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: of units of people who do the university stuff. And
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: to your listeners, it not only affects your college student.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I found out this.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't know this, but those Title nine rules apply
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: to high schools and middle schools and elementaries, so your
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: your small son could also find himself in a situation
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: where they apply these same rules.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: So it's just colleges.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So absolutely, one hundred percent it does happen. We cover
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the craziest stories that you know where there are there
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: are stories where a woman like a teacher, raped her student,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: got pregnant, and he's paying child support. So he's like thirteen,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you know, and I guess she's not on the sex
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: offender registry. So it's it's it's crazy. So what are
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: some of the things that you guys are doing with
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: this petition? I'm going to display it on the screen.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: It's from change dot org. It's it's a falsey accused
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: and wrongly convicted former military service members need your help.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: It's got twenty one sixty nine two sixty nine signatures,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and you guys are trying to get to the next
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: goal twenty five one hundred. Tell me a little bit
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: about this, and I put a link to it in
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the description.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: So I thank you, thank you again so much.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Would love any of your listeners to please sign and share.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: What we're asking for, and that is an independent review
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: of the cases. We're not asking you to believe us
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: just because we're coming and telling you this today. We
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: want an independent third party to look at these cases
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: and speak the truth. So what we're trying to do
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: with that petition is raise enough awareness of what's happening
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: so that the president can act, the military.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Can act, and Congress can act.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: We also want to educate with it so that people
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: considering the military for their children they can know the
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: other side of what's happening, because again, most news sources
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: are not going to share this with you. It's so
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: that's what we're trying to do with the petition. We
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: would love to get it in front of the President,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: get in front of Congress, get it in front of
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: the military.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you something. We had an.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Expert tell us someone was suppressing it. I don't like
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: to do conspiracy theories, but so it might be what
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: do you mean like somebody was suppressing it?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: So three different people told us.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: So we had an it specialist look at it and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: he said, hey, you realize someone's suppressing this petition? Well,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: you know, I can spell it, but that's it. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: I go, okay, what do you think and he said, yeah,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: you know, not a huge effort, but someone's paying some
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: six figure money to suppress this. And I go, well, okay,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: you know, all we can do is share it and
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: try to get enough attention.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: So one, we hope to get media attention.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Two we hope to consolidate some stories so people can
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: see it and know there's other people like you. And three,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: like I said, we eventually want to get it to
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: the military, to congress, to the president so that there's
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: real change.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Why do you think? So, first of all, I guess
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the it guy knows how how it was suppressed, But
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: why would someone do that? Do you think? Do you
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: have any I mean, I'm sure you're given it some thought,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but I have, of.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Course given So it was an it guy, it was
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: a marketing person, and it was an investigator. So all
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: three independent who don't know each other told me. But
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: again I go, well, what could I do? So the
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: idea is this, I want you to think about this
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: for a second. So I want your listeners, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: because I know you're going to be skeptical.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: They have to be. I would be too. I would
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: have a hard time.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: That's why we have documents that I'm willing to share
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: with you that they can read at their leisure. It's
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: let's pretend for a second that all of this is
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: completely true, that Congress all the way up to the
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: then president and senior members of the military were forcing
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: convictions regardless of the evidence. Are you going to let
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: your son join the military? And think about that eighty
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: percent of the military's mail, I believe it is.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: So do you want that information known?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Not to mention?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: What they've done is illegal and in theory they should
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: be held accountable for it criminally, maybe financially maybe. So
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: what incentive do they have to let this story be
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: known in validatell me?
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: So that's my that's my take.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Again, I get through that to you, but that is
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: what I have thought about, and that's my take.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: That is yeah. I mean I I I find it
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: because we're we are suppressed, you know. I think that
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: our are a lot of people come up to us
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and they say, why don't you guys have like a
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: million subs? And I think it's because what we talk
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: about it's not just hard for people to wrap their
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: heads around. I don't like to come across that elitist.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's more because it's being it's it is
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a conversation. It's how I see it that is not
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: allowed to take place on the you know, with as
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: much of a public exposure, I guess, and then it's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: comfortable and I but then that begs the question for me,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And this is the same thing with yours. With what
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: you guys are doing, is I think there's a lot
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: of overlap here. What is it that they're afraid to lose?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: If we are essentially treating men, treat the men in
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the military wherever it is, with more due process, basically
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: giving them like their constitutional rights to a fair trial
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and a speedy trial and all this other stuff. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: it seems like to me a lot of this is
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: like courts, military courts, college campuses, whatever, looking for every
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: possible loophole to get the fastest conviction to meet some
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: kind of standard of convictions. Because again we have to
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: ask ourselves, why is there a presumed minimum number of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: convictions that we have to cross the bar for when
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: we haven't even looked into whether or not any of
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: this is happening in the scale that is proposed, right
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and like, like, why is it that all of these
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: loopholes that they're taking all these shortcuts, all of these
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: you know, quick and dirty, let's get them out of here,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: let's whatever, without any consideration for how that will affect
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: that gentleman. I mean you already went through, like all
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: of the ways that it hurts a man just to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: be falsely accused. I mean that's like it doesn't even
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: have to result. They could be in the process of
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: fighting for their rights, you know, in the and they
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: would they people would they would be socially ostracized, they
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: would be considered, you know, a dangerous person. All this,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: so their their reputation is already ruined. This is before
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: anything else. Yeah, So like go ahead, glad you said that.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I wanna gave you two quick stories.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: So one is about somebody who was on a university
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: campus that I'm aware of.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: His mother helps run a great.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Organization to where he was falsely accused on account of
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: university campus. The police investigated and said nope, no crime.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: He goes in front of his university body and they
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: go no crime, and they still punish him anyway. He
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: eventually goes to law school. He applies to over two
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: dozen law schools, maybe thirty ish, I'm sorry, I'm mistaken.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: He applies to law school, gets in, he applies to
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: twenty four to thirty law firms and he can't get in.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: And finally one of the mentors say, well, hey, you
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: got accused of this. So to your point, the police
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: exonerating him, the university did, but they still label and
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: punish him even though they found him not responsible. And
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: yet he was punished, and so he keeps a very
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: low profile. I've tried to get him to interviews because
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: look at how he was punished. He recently got a
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: job at a law firm, and he wants to keep
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: a low profile. And then the other thing I'll point
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: to about why with the suppression and stuff. There's a
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: fabulous young lady who interviewed us. Her podcast is called
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: a Little Bit of Life podcast Tabatha To know what
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: she is incredible And what I love about Tabitha is
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: she tells both sides, you know, just like yourself is
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: she tells both sides.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: So she did.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: It was a TikTok video about one of our falsely
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: accused and got about three million hits and then she
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: was canceled.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Right, So in that story. And he's from Chicago.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Shout out Matt Laparte from Chicago, Illinois. His brother Jim Laparte,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: always always.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Fighting for his brother.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: He has video evidence of the sex right, and they
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: wouldn't allow him to play that in court.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: So imagine that she said.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: That he did this, he videotaped it legally, he can't
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: present that in court at all. She had done some
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: fraudulent things. He couldn't present that in court. And then
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: you have an influencer who has the courage to put
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: the story out and she gets canceled. She loses, she
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: loses that account, I believe, and all of those followers
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: because she had the courage to put that story out.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: So to kind of in a long way answer your question,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: people are scared that they're going to be punished with
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: just the accusation. They're gonna be puns with just bringing
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: light to the story. So that's why I think people
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: are so silent on it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, I don't know. Like the the other
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: thing too, is that if this is concealed like this,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I guess this issue. So okay, let let me let
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: me try to Let's back up for a second, because
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I want to address the problem, and I want to
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: be very rational and fair. Okay, So the the issue
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: is is that because in the military, that you're going
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: to run across women, some some of them are in
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: the military, some of them are people you run into with,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: like I guess, when you're you know, on leave or whatever,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you know, your you're stationed someplace, you go to the
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: bar and you meet somebody. But essentially, as as a
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: man in the military, you're going to come across the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: opposite sex. And if you're especially if you're like a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: young guy, you're you know, you're probably going to take
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: it interest in some of these women. So and this
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: is not like a new thing. It's been going on forever,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: but it seems like this particular I guess epidemic of
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: false allegations is recent, and I think the main reason
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: for it is I gotta say, it seems to me
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: that it's because the system can be exploited for this purpose.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: It's not that it's not necessarily that women have changed
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: in some way, but rather that the bad behavior in
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: women is incentivized by the system. The system says, if
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you accuse this guy of rape, will you know, will
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: take care of you, will protect you, they'll protect your
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: identity whatever, and it doesn't matter if they're committing fraud essentially,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and you know, putting someone in prison or at least
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: ruining their life socially because they want to get away
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: with something. So there is the issue. Seems to me,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: at the very least, it's not a behavioral thing. It's
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: not really a woman thing, but it's more like the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: system is made that way. And I assume that a
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: man couldn't do the same to a woman in the military,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: or even another man in the military, could they. I mean,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any cases of a flip this.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I don't All the cases I have are heterosexual, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: it'd say it's a woman and a man. So I'm
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: not saying because I don't know, but let me let
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: me address your questions. So Number one, I believe that
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: the majority of women would not do something like this.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: So the one thing we ask, and we take exception to,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: is when this first started happening, they would use the
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: two percent rule. They would say only two percent of
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: accusations are false.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I would ask where'd you get it from? Like, where
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: did you get it? And how did they determine it?
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: They couldn't.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: So they were saying two percent, and then they changed
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: it to two to five percent, and now they're saying
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: two to ten. When I've seen studies the FBI DA
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: to study of twenty five thousand cases, we can find
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: that where they said twenty five percent, there was a
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: prosecutor thirty or forty year prosecuted military brought in. He said, uh,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: they said what five percent? He said, closer ten to
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: twenty percent. So I want to say that I don't
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's all, but it's a significant enough number.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: And you're correct. In the military, they.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Get to pick their duty station once they're victim, they
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: get disability payments, they get forgiven for collateral misconduct.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: So if you've done something.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Wrong and you say you were the victim, well then
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: that's forgiven.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: And then I think there's a job placement program after
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: that helps you get a job after because of your
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: victim status and things like that. So you're right, is
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: that they've incentivized the system to say it's a it's
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: a get out of jail free card if you've done something.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: And so I don't know if it would work that
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: way for a guy to die because I haven't seen it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I would guess not. I mean, I think I guess
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: you know, not that it's super important. I was just
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: curious about whether or not this this systemic problem is
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: bi directional. I think it comes in part because we
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: do have we we have a tendency to bias in
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: favor of women, because we do want to protect women.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It's it's evolved, it's biological and two year two percent thing.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: You know that that We've talked about that statistic countless times.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: The fact is we don't know, like I mean, because
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the problem is this, when they say percentage of false allegations,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: they're essentially only talking about cases where it's proven that
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the allegations are false, not that maybe she they they
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: didn't necessarily prove it in a court of law, because
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of times the men that are con that
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: are accused, they don't they don't make a counter claim,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: they don't like go after her legally. There isn't really
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: anything in the law like that that's really severe for
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: a woman that essentially punishes a woman from making a
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: false allegation. A lot of times they make it and
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: then they drop it. They don't they don't go on
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: with it so because they drop when they drop a case,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: for example, that's not counted as part of that percentage.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I guess it should because it means
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: that she didn't really want to go through with it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's why the truth is, it's
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: we don't know, like it could be a lot, but
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the problem is that this one of these things that
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: we can't really know the answer to because again, it
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: presumes that she is intentionally lying, not making a mistake,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: not misinterpreting a situation, and she's doing it, you know,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: with with malice, like with the intent to destroy this man,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: which does happen, and there's lots of you know, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: then there again, like we said before, there are systemic
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: things that incentivize that. So you know, if a woman
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: finds that she's in trouble because she cheated on her boyfriend,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: and this is a very common thing, they will make
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the allegation because at the then they get out of
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: that trouble, you know. For like, what was the name
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: of the It was a very famous I think it
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: was a well, I know he's an athlete. His name
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: was brock Turner. Do you know about the brock Turner case,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: it's from years ago and that he.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Don't know, I don't remember all this was.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I was going to think of two others, the punt
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: guy mat Riza and the Trevor bau or the baseball.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: T baseball player.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's what I was going.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: To say with that to where with the with the
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: matter rise of the punt god. Thing was they they
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: looked at the video and it took him a year
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: and he was gone when what she said happened happened,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and then they put all the video and her own
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: friends testified against her. And I think, to your point,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: the bigger thing is she wasn't punished legally in any way,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: so she was allowed to make all those allegations.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: You know, he was dropped by the Buffalo Bills.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Fortunately he was picked up by I believe it's Kansas
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: City picked him up. But you know, for a while,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: you know, his life was ruined. He had to sue her,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: and with Trevor Bauer, I follow him on I think
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: it's Twitter. It's he sued his false accusers, showed that
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: they were false allegations and.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: MLB won't give him an opportunity like.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: He like literally he's willing to take a vetrin minimum.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: But he's proven the false allegation. Nothing happens to the accuser,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: and they were looking for money in those cases, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: yet his life is still ruined.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's had some opportunities.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I know he played in Japan and I think he's
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: still playing in Mexico. But he deserves a shot in MLB.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: And so to your point, it's you're right, is do
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: they count that in the false accusation category?
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Right? In fact, I saw one thing one time.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Or in order for them to count it as a
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: false accusation, the accuser had to admit she made it up.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: And you go, wow, that's the standard, even when the evidence,
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: the evidence doesn't support what she claimed happened happen. And
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: we have countlesses. So give you another example. We have
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: a person who they were on a navy ship. They
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: overheard three of the female shipmates conspiring to falsely accuse
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: one man because apparently he had slept with all three.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: So he's a playboy, and they called him an f
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: boy and some other things, and they also wanted to
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: get off the ship. So she's in the birthing, she
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: hears it. They're gonna get together and accuse him of
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: sexual assault.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: So she goes and tells the ship, hey, this happened.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: The ship refuses to act.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: She goes and she tells the jag, the judge, affacate,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: General corp, the lawyers in the military.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: They refuse to touch it.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: And then on top of that, she goes to the
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: inspector general. They also refuse to touch it. Those three
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: women come forward accused the young man. He's found guilty
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: and sentis to prison, all because you know, was he
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: cavalier in his dating life? Yes, is that a crime.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: It's not a crime, and it's definitely not something that
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: warrants jail or sex offender registry. And those women were
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: rewarded for that. They were never punished. And you're right,
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: that's what happens when you put a thumb on the
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: scale and you discount the evidence.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: So the hard part is nobody wants.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: To admit that that's what they did, because to admit
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: what they did would invite liability, would invite ridicule. And so,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've had people privately say mistakes.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Were made, is what they said when we bring this up.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: They said, hey, look we were over zealous. Mistakes were made.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Is it a mistake if you did it on purpose? Brian,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I'm from Texas and so
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: That's a good question for me. But you know, let me,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: let me confer with my lawyer and I'll get back
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: to you. But so, yeah, Solyn, we have this problem,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: and I think that you know, we see this over
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and over again. What how do men in the military
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: protect themselves.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked that.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: And so I'm going to say something that is extremely controversial,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: and I'm not sure.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: You need to check the legalities.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: I believe you should have a twenty four to seven
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: body camera all the time, a twenty four to seven
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: body camera with audio. Now, now certain states are are
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: one party and two parties, so you need to check
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: the leg galleys. And I'm saying this jokingly, but Nacho,
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: is you need a twenty four seven omni directional body
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: camera with the audio and then maybe right because we've
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: seen in some of these cases they don't even allow
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: the audio to be presented. I'll tell you about another
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: case and you'll find him on the petition. He finds
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: out his ex wife's having an affair, right, so she
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: not only has an affair. She gets pregnant with the
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: affair partner's baby. So he, like an adult, he files
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: for divorce. He's not putting things in our coffee and
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: things like that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: He just files for divorce. He gets awarded.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Custody of their daughter, and so, Brian, I want your
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: listeners to really think about what it takes for a
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: man in this come to be not only awarded custody,
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: but custody of a daughter.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Oh we know, Oh yeah, we know. It's extremely rare.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: She he must have been an exemplar citizen and she
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: or she is a real piece of work.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: For that to happen.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: So he gets awarded custody, and then she accuses him
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: of sexual assault. She goes to not one, but two
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: civilian police agencies, who go no, and they throw it out.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Strike three. She goes to the military. They file charges.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Her attorney goes to them that if he gives up
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: custody they'll drop the charges.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: She will.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: He goes, no, I didn't do this. They go to
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: court martial, he gets found guilty, sentence to prison. His mother,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: who is an amazing woman and takes this initiative, calls
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: the lover where he admits he got ten thousand dollars
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: and that he lied in military court.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Oh and we have the recording to by the way, So.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: He admits he lied, the military has a hearing to
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: hear his You know, well, he admits that not only
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: did he lie, but that.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Ten thousand dollars was an installment. It was one hundred
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: But the military doesn't have jurisdiction over civilians, so they
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: can't prosecute him in a military court for lying. And
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: you would think the young man's asking for a new case.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: They go the first round, they go, the judge says, well,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: I don't have the authority to do anything with his case.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: So we asked the question, why would you hold a
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: hearing if you had no authority to do anything in
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: the case. So then they change it and they go, well, well.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: The judge could have done it, but he used this.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Discretion not to And yeah, he submitted it too late,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: that's what it was. So then we go, why would
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: you hold a hearing to hear evidence that was submitted
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: too late when he had proof that he had submitted
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: early in earlier right, But they never conside, And so
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: I mean cases like that where we present it to
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: you and we go.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: We have another young man who was.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: He was a military prosecutor at the time, and his
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: wife claims that he was abusing their daughter by tickling
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: her in the presence of a social worker, and even
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: though the social worker testified that it wasn't true, he
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: was found guilty and sentenced to prison.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: He's in prison today. I talked to his parents.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Those are the type cases I want your listeners to understand.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: And I tell parents, ask the recruiter how easy it
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: is to get sharped. Ask them what they're doing about
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: false allocations and wrongful convictions. And then I want you
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: to listen for the answer, and I want you to
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: listen for what they don't say, and then make you
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: make the determination if this is something you want to
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: present to your child, if this is something you want
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: to be.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: In last story for now, we have a young man. Yeah,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: we have a young man who in twenty nineteen, he
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: was accused.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: He goes to court martiall, he gets found not guilty.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: He goes to college, he graduates recently like now, he
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: applies for sixty.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Four jobs, doesn't get one interview.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: He finally finds out it's because the military titled him.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: When they start the.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Investigation, they title you, so he still has that label.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: He's in the FBI database even though he got found
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: not guilty. That's what the military will do, even if
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: you go to the administration process. So it's more, it's
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: even more severe than what they're doing in college. And
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: most Americans have no idea, zero idea that it's happening.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is because the military is trying to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: protect itself while also doing this, like or something right, like, Yeah,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: that's wild that those like you, you could do a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: top ten easiest military false accusations listical video or probably
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: get a million views? Are those the top ones or
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: like the ones that.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: We've got tons of others.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: We have another one where and hopefully I sent him
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: this the link, so hopefully he's watching where his false
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: accuser accused five other people in his family. They're all civilians,
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: though investigated by the civilian police. It's trash, but the
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: military took his case number six and he's not allowed
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: to have any five of these testify in his defense,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: and none.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Of the evidence matches what she says. How about another one?
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: The young man is stationed in Korea, his wife has
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: an affair with a.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Cop, moves in with the cop. She accuses the cop
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: of sexual assault that she lives with. But do you
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: know why he was safe? He had his body camera
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: on the.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Colleagues and they look at the body camera footage and says, oh,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: she's lying. They still want to arrest her, Brian, the
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: only thing they'll do is she has to leave the premises.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: She packs her stuff up, so then her husband finds out.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: He sues for divorce and I think they were they
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: had some controversy or property ownership. So she accuses him,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: I think of domestic violence or something like that. Guess
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: what he's in career. He's like, no, I didn't do this.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: He's not allowed to have the cop who had the
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: proof testify in his case for his defense, right, he's
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: not allowed to have that. He gets found guilty, and
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: you're just like, you got to be kidning. He gets
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: found guilty and he's.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Not allowed to present all.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: So there's so many cases or this will this will
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: make the top ten lists. There was a time in
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: the military during this time period where if you if
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: the accused had one drink, the accuser had one drink.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: She couldn't consent. I want you to think about that
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: for a second, your listeners, that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: We know about that, that's another what do you call it?
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: That's another one of these like bugaboos from the UH
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: from around this whole rape culture, right theory thing, which
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: is a woman who has had one drink cannot consent
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: because they are they are under the influence one drink.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: It could be a beer, correct, it could be it
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: could be one of those you know, like that this
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: isn't alcoholic, but it could be one of these you know,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: like these truly's or white claws, you know.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, here's what I always tell people. I go, imagine
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: going out for your anniversary.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: You're married, you got free anniversary.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: And your spouse has one drink, and now they can't consent.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: They can drive legally in every state and territory in
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: the country, but they can't consent, right, and so you
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: find them guilty. We have cases where the young lady said, hey,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: I drink too much, but then she says, well, only
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: had one drink and her BAC was well below the limit.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: And then she says, well I got drug.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: And so we do a toxicology report and there's zero
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: drugs in her system, and then.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: She says, well, maybe I took I took.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: This drug, but again there was no drugs in your system.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Or a case of a young lady who took an ambient.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Goes into a guy's room, has sex.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: With him and then says, well, I couldn't consent because
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: I took an ambient. How the hell did he know
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: you took an ambient? And that guy gets convicted. So
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: you're right, some of these cases, you hear them and
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: you're just like, you know, I can't believe that. I
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: can't And you go, well.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: That's that's what they are, and yeah, yeah, and.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: And and you go, look, that's the type of pressure
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: they were under.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: We had.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: Uh he's a defense attorney, and I think we got
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: the audio when he said this. He talked about a
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: case he had before he went to court in the
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: military where the day before trial, they gave.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Him her psychological records. Brian she was getting treated.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Because she wanted help for making false accusations. She said
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: in her therapy session, I have a problem. I like
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: making false accusations the.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Military the whole time.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: The whole mother truck in time, and they gave it
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: to him the day before, but they were trying to
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: get him to take a deal.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Hey, take this deal. Take this deal. He's like, I
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: didn't do it. And it's wait a.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Minute, she's getting treated psychologically because she admits she has
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: a problem making false accusations. I mean again, when you
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: tell people this stuff, I get it right. They think,
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, we belong in Slytherin in the
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Harry Potter series, and we're like, no, like we don't,
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: but you know, Hufflepuff or gryffindor maybe a raven Clark.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: But it's those are the type of cases I'm talking
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: about where you look at the evidence and you're like,
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: we've got text messages, can't use them, video evidence, can't
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: use them. I wouldn't have said nope, they can't testify
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: by another one.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: And it's another young man. I hope he's looking.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: He's having sex in a room with her best friend
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: next to them in the bed and she's on top, right,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: and so the best friend leaves the room when her
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: friend starts to orgast right. And I don't know why
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: she stayed in there if she wasn't participating to begin with.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: That's a whole nother question.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Someone else tries to come into the room, she shoes
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: them away.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: To finish.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: Six months later, her fiance finds out about the situation
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: and then she says she was raped, but she doesn't
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: want to press charges. But her fiance says, if you
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: were raped, you have to for us.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: To keep So that makes sense, I mean, because otherwise
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: she otherwise, you know, it doesn't look good for the relationship.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: So correct.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: And so that man went to jail for years. I
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: think he's still on Parola probation. His life is restricted,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: damaged in ways that it's so hard to to explain
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: where you're like, we have another case where the accuser
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: wrote a letter saying I'm not a victim, but I
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: was gonna get in trouble if I didn't become a victim.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: So that's why she's testifying. And he got found guilty
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: of that. Right, so you wrote a letter. And then
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: speaking of letters, we have a letter from another young
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: lady who these investigators go to her house and says,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: if you don't.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Testify against this guy, we'll tell your husband you were
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: having an affair with him. And she kicks him out
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: and she goes, get the hell out of my house.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: I wasn't, so you had investigators putting pressure on them.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: And then last piece of that, we had someone who
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: worked for the victims' rights groups and she gave us
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: some documents.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: I'll share them with you if you want.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: How to win your MST and MST stands for your
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: military sexual trauma case with zero evidence. So there was
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: private Facebook group, right. The only reason we knew is
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: she told us we wouldn't have known, and we we
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: gave that to.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: People and they hemmed and hawed.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: But I want your listeners to hear that again, how
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: to win your military sexual trauma case with zero evidence?
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: They were coaching accusers?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Well they were, Yeah, they were coaching false falset and
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: and but they don't see it that way, and you go, wow,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: they got they got to get those convictions. I can't
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: think of any other reason to do it other than
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: we gotta we gotta get these numbers up. These are
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: rookie numbers, right. I want you to send me that
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: that that document that how to win how to win
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: your military trauma case with zero evidence. I want to
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: see that. That's I'm not saying I don't believe it.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I do. I do believe to get this, but I
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: think it'd be it would be good for us to
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: go through it on the show sometime because it's wild.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: So like why we're kind of like to the hour
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: his we're gonna wrap it up. But I am I
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: find this a great conversation. Thank you so much for sharing.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that people are gonna love this and they're
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: gonna totally watch this later. But like, why is the
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: why would the military do this? I mean, I know
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: that we kind of like touched on it, but like
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: this is like it's crazier than college. It sounds like
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: anyway it is and it is it seems like the
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: whole thing seems to be for me all about I
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: don't want to deal with this. Let's just you know,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: destroy his life clean, break this happened to you. That's it.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: We're gonna move on like like it's almost like they
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: just got to get him through and and they're not
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: considering the actual collateral damage, which is what you know.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: And then like guys get sent to prison like they
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: somehow they're more I guess you could say they're less
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: forgiving than civilian courts are and civilian police are, right
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: of course, So so.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Here's this is my theory about why.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: So one, they had congressional pressure, and Congress writes the checks, right,
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: so you can't tell your boss no, not to mention.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: The media was piling on the pressure as well. So
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: the military cares about the four RS resources think money, recruiting, retention.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: And reputation. So it was harm. It was harming the
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: four RS, so they have to act. And so that's
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: where I think it comes.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: It comes from a place of if we go after
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: every case, if we then it'll stop happening. Is I
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: think their logic is if we go after these no
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: matter how ridiculous, well then people will get the message
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: the memo and there will be nothing. I think that's
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: what they were thinking, but I can't prove that.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then the men in the military are not
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: aware of this stuff because you're not able to explain,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: so they're just gonna keep making the same I would.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say mistakes because I don't really
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I think some blame should go to
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: the men because they are fooling around with women in
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: the military and whatever, and they don't know what the
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: stakes are. Even a civilian man is at risk. And
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: the thing is you were talking about the bodycam thing, like,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: I don't even think that would be enough, Like even
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: if they had an omnidirectional four K bodycam with you know,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: like road microphone, because there's cases in you know, in
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: the civilian world and in some of the examples you
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: gave where like these men could be accused of things
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: by women they don't even remember, they never met. Maybe
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: they were both drunk, and a lot of times they
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: are both drunk. Just know, like I was drunk and
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: he wasn't. Usually everybody's drinking, and so like that wouldn't
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: protect you either. So the issue seems to be just
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: like you said, they they're looking at the bottom line
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: and they're and they're cutting, you know, they're cutting their losses. Like, well,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: we don't want to deal with this because it takes time,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: us money, it, you know, and we can't like do
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: we can't deal with everything. So we'll just be really
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: hardcore on it and hopefully it'll just stop. But unfortunately,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: the men in the military don't know that that could
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: happen to them, so they're just kind of carrying on
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: as normal because there's no messaging. Do you do you
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: hope that what you're doing will not just like raise
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: awareness around this, but get people talking about like ways
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: that the I guess the system could be improved because
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: obviously it needs to me it seems like it needs
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: to be like gutted and started over, like you need
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: to do something completely new, like reform it. But also
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: could it like be are you also hoping to reach
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: men that are already and they're already enlisted, they're already
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: in you know, a branch, and and they should know
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: this for their own protection.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: What we do and we have, And so I would
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: tell you we're fighting for a Conviction Integrity Unit. A
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Conviction Integrity UNI or an innocence project represents every American
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: in every state or territory except the US military. So
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: we want to educate people in the military. We want
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: to educate anyone who will listen, and we want.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: These laws to be changed. We want these cases to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: be corrected.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: The metaphor I use is imagine someone burned down a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: bunch of houses, but they say, I won't burn down anymore,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: but I don't want to pay for the houses I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: already burned down.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Would you be okay with that? So think about.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: Agent Orange and how we treated those men who were
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: exposed to agent orange for decades before we acknowledge them
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: took care of it. And that's the military's model is deny, destroy, delay, downplay, deflect,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: and so they want everybody to die off in eighty
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: years or so and then they can say, you know what,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: that was a time. We don't do that anymore. So, yes,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: you're one hundred percent correct. We want to bring attention
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: to this so they change it so we can continue
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: to be the best military in the world, the fair
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: and just military in the World's.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Y yeah, but so yeah, I mean, I think that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: a country needs a military, and so we're going to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: have to have one. So let's have a good one
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: that is not you know, corrupt or like essentially treating
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: not just like the citizens, but like the people who
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: are essentially putting their lives on the line to serve.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Let's not treat them like trash. They're like without it,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: they're like the blood of that right, that system. So
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: I got a donation, thank you. Art Force gave us
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: ten dollars, thank you, and he says, it's the same
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: as in other public systems. You're not alone. I think
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: that's essentially a statement of support. We did cover that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: a bit. We know that it happens in colleges and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I'm in the workplace and everything, but it sounds like
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: it's extra extra special in the military. So and that's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: something that we should definitely be looking at. Go ahead.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, you don't have unanimous jury
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: verks in the military.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: You get twelve.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: As a civilian, I think when I went to court,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: I got seven. It was seven members, and they picked
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: who they were, so they control the evidence that's presented,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: whether you get experts, who the jury are, I mean,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: who they compose of. We have a case where the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: person admitted some things and again none of it was allowed.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Because it would help be accused.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, it's a whole lot worse than the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: colleges universities.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: But don't get me wrong.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: If we don't fight this on all levels, well then
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: what will they do next. Someone can falsely accuse you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: of anything and they will believe it without evidence.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: And that is why m hm absolutely one hundred percent.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, just a reminder you guys, because I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I you know, sometimes people file in a little bit later.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I just want to show you all the change dot
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Org petition is falsely accused and wrongly convicted former military
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: service members need your help. Please check it out. The
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: stories are crazy. I'm going to be bringing on some
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: of Arvis's friends in future shows that will share their stories.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: We don't really get a lot of opportunity to talk
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: to people in the military, so it's really appreciated re
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: least former military. So yeah, I mean I've spoken to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: cops and lawyers and stuff on the show and that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: was always great, but this is a really unique perspective.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Arvis, and we're well. I mean, do you
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: have any final words or anything that you want to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: give to the audience before we wrap it up.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: I want to thank them for listening and for having
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: an open mind to hear this because so many people
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: do not have that.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Ask you to please sign and share.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: The petition if you could, and if you've got stories,
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• 1:04:43
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• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: and we'll help you in any way we can.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you, Brian.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: All right, You're welcome. And there is links to all
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: of Arvis's places, his Twitter, the websites, and the as
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: well as the petition and his email address, so you
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: can send him a message yourself. And I'm definitely gonna, like,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: you know, get some more contact. I want to see
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: that document whenever you can just email it to us.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: And uh, yeah, thanks for coming on our show. Really
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Thank you for sharing your story, and uh,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: I think it. You know again, we're behind you. We
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: know how awful this can be. And and honestly, like
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: being falsely accused of something this serious is actually traumatizing
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: for the person accused as well. It can be, and
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: so you know, I think that it's it's I just
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: want to offer that sympathy as well, because I know
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: it can be really tough. So thank excuse me, thank
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: you so much for coming on the show, Harvis, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 5: Men's rite as are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: They are talking point machines.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: They are impossible to fucking deal with, especially if you
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: have like especially if you have like a couple of
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: dudes who have good memory. On top of that too,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: holy shit, you're fucked