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Choices on Immigrant Healthcare | Win for California Gun Owners · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Race for the governorship Hilton and Bisera. This is getting
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  Speaker 2: interesting because this has to do with medical. Medical is
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  Speaker 2: a state program that pays for medical medical procedures, pays
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  Speaker 2: for the health of people who can't afford it, poor people,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of poor people are illegal, are not
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  Speaker 2: here documented, And let me put it the other way,
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  Speaker 2: A lot of undocumented are poor. I say, most of
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  Speaker 2: the undocumented are poor, and medical is this program that
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  Speaker 2: helps them out, which is one hundred percent paid for
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  Speaker 2: by the taxes for the most part, not one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 2: because there's some federal money it comes in. But there's
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  Speaker 2: a very stark difference in the way this campaign is
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  Speaker 2: being run, and a lot of it has to do
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  Speaker 2: with medical for the undocumented. Now, California is probably the
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  Speaker 2: best state for someone who is undocumented to be in.
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  Speaker 2: Education is free, but it is all around the country
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  Speaker 2: up to the graduating high school because that is now
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  Speaker 2: federal law.
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruled on.
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  Speaker 2: That one healthcare is not a right. Education is a right.
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  Speaker 2: So healthcare depends on the state. And there are some
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  Speaker 2: states that are very generous and some states that are not,
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  Speaker 2: and what California is is very generous. So Biserah is
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  Speaker 2: arguing that the medical program should stay in effect for
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  Speaker 2: undocumented people. Hilton is saying, not a chance. And Hilton's
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  Speaker 2: position is, look how much money we're spending.
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  Speaker 1: We are going broke.
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  Speaker 2: The taxpayer of California is subsidizing healthcare for all of
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  Speaker 2: these people that are undocumented, have no legal status. Our
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  Speaker 2: insurance is going crazy. Our cost of medicine is going crazy,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's a financial issue. They are not putting
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  Speaker 2: this on a moral basis. I mean, I'm surprised that
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  Speaker 2: there's no morality being talked about. How can you leave
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  Speaker 2: poor people? How can you not offer medicare or medical
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  Speaker 2: help for people who can't afford it?
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  Speaker 1: That's not being argued. You know, we are a nation
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  Speaker 1: of immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: We love people that are illegal coming in because at
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  Speaker 2: one point everybody was illegal. Well that's not true, because
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  Speaker 2: there just wasn't legal or illegal back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: I mean in the turn in the last century when
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  Speaker 2: people came over like crazy. The point is is that
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  Speaker 2: this is being drawn on financial lines. It's that simple,
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  Speaker 2: and it depends on where we want to go. This
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  Speaker 2: is a big issue for this campaign for this election,
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  Speaker 2: and that is do we continue to pay now? The
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  Speaker 2: argument that Biserah is making is we should because if
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  Speaker 2: it turns out that people don't get medicare or don't
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  Speaker 2: get medical and they can't do preventive medicine going in
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  Speaker 2: in early procedures, for example, they're going to end up
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  Speaker 2: dying in the emergency room. They're going to end up
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  Speaker 2: on the floor and you're going to be calling the
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  Speaker 2: paramedics and they're going to be taking them in. And
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  Speaker 2: the cost of someone who is drastically ill or is
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  Speaker 2: really in trouble medically that is astronomical. And you can't
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  Speaker 2: say no someone coming in with a heart attack or
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  Speaker 2: being shot, or having been in a car accident and
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  Speaker 2: going into an emergency room and needing insane amounts of
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  Speaker 2: surgery in a tune of hundreds of thousand dollars. They're
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  Speaker 2: not asked are you legal or are you not? That
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  Speaker 2: question is never asked, can't be asked. So what Hilton
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  Speaker 2: is saying is we shouldn't pay for medical at all
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  Speaker 2: for undocumented people. I mean, we have no choice when
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  Speaker 2: it's really really serious. But Sarah is going, hey, we
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  Speaker 2: don't pay. This is the way it's going to end up.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to cost us more money in the long run.
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  Speaker 2: And now comes the morality of it. Do you say
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  Speaker 2: to hard working people that have been here for decades, maybe,
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  Speaker 2: who pay taxes, who are who follow the law except
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  Speaker 2: they're not here legally. Do you say no to them
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  Speaker 2: and say you're not going to get medical help the
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  Speaker 2: way every other poor person does who is here legally
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  Speaker 2: there's the moral issue. But Sarah says, yes, we can't
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  Speaker 2: say no. Not only he says we can't say no financially.
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  Speaker 2: Hilton says we can't say yes financially.
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  Speaker 1: And there is the breakdown.
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  Speaker 2: That's where once again the issue of illegal immigration is
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  Speaker 2: front and center, and this is California looking at it
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  Speaker 2: front and center.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: The numbers are astronomical. Incidentally, I mean just crazy. What
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  Speaker 2: medical costs in general across the board is almost two
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  Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars a year for California, and the amount
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  Speaker 2: of money that it costs for it is estimated who
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  Speaker 2: are undocumented people is in the range of tens of
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  Speaker 2: billions of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if that is part and parcel
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  Speaker 2: of your vote, but I'm willing to guess it is,
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  Speaker 2: because it certainly isn't my vote, because I'm thinking, gee,
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  Speaker 2: do I want to keep on going with the highest
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  Speaker 2: taxes in the country.
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  Speaker 1: And keep on climbing? Just can't wait for the next one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Big, big decisions by the US Supreme Court came
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  Speaker 2: down yesterday while we were on the air, and two
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  Speaker 2: of them and this was what was decided will allow
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  Speaker 2: the Trump administration to push forward the president's plan to
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  Speaker 2: transform the asylum system and expel immigrants who come from
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  Speaker 2: some of the world's most troubled countries. And I'll explain
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  Speaker 2: that in a moment. And this affects immigrants who have
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  Speaker 2: been living in the United States for years, as well
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  Speaker 2: as those that are still seeking entry trying to get
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  Speaker 2: into the United States now. So in one of the rulings,
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  Speaker 2: the court determined that the administration can cancel humanitarian relief
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  Speaker 2: for Haitians and Syrians, which could put all one point
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  Speaker 2: three million beneficiaries of this temporary protective status.
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  Speaker 1: At the risk of deportation.
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  Speaker 2: And some have already had their protection from deportation canceled,
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  Speaker 2: but legal challenges are pending and they will be impacted
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  Speaker 2: by the decision. So here is the big issue, and
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  Speaker 2: that is the TPS program. Temporary protective status has to
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  Speaker 2: deal with people who come from countries in which they
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  Speaker 2: are persecuted or have a very good chance of being
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  Speaker 2: persecuted for political reasons, for religious reasons, for being part
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  Speaker 2: of any group that is an ethmat to the government.
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  Speaker 2: Basically dictatorships that can throw people in jail and kill
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  Speaker 2: them for anything they say that's against the regime.
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  Speaker 1: Also natural disasters.
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  Speaker 2: For example, in Haiti it was as a result of
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  Speaker 2: the big earthquake. And I don't even know when was
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  Speaker 2: the earthquake quake in Haiti. How many years ago was
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  Speaker 2: that earthquake?
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  Speaker 1: I believe that was in twenty twenty one, Okay was
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  Speaker 1: looking up earlier to find out when all the Haitians
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  Speaker 1: came here.
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  Speaker 2: And so that was five years ago was the earthquake,
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  Speaker 2: And temporary status was given to people that were affected
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  Speaker 2: so adversely by the earthquake. Well, let me ask you
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  Speaker 2: this temporary, I guess in many cases is not temporary,
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  Speaker 2: because what if Haiti does not bring itself back to
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  Speaker 2: where it was prior to the earthquake, and it probably won't,
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  Speaker 2: does that mean temporary protective status stays there forever? And
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  Speaker 2: doesn't the president have the right to declare that it
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  Speaker 2: is no longer a temporary status issue? Now he was
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  Speaker 2: able to say no for it based on national security reasons,
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  Speaker 2: he can and has the ability to say it sort
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  Speaker 2: of doesn't matter because if I'm declaring national security, then
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  Speaker 2: that supersedes the program where people are allowed to come
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  Speaker 2: in based on their political, religious, beliefs. So that is
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  Speaker 2: what the Trump administration is arguing like crazy. And on
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  Speaker 2: the other hand, it's on the other side. And here's
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  Speaker 2: where I'm going to agree with the administration, and that
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  Speaker 2: is who decides how serious a natural disaster is?
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  Speaker 1: Does Congress make that decision.
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  Speaker 2: This is immigration, where it is controlled by the presidency.
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  Speaker 2: The president can establish policy and does.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: That is one decision that the President came down on
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  Speaker 2: the right side of as far as he is concerned.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, it affects as I said, immigrants
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  Speaker 2: have been here for literally decades and people coming in.
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  Speaker 2: And the other other decision is called metering. Now, the
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  Speaker 2: law says that anybody that's coming in the United States,
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  Speaker 2: sets foot in the United States can immediately claim asylum
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter how they got here, and they
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  Speaker 2: have the right to an asylum hearing, which can take
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  Speaker 2: years because it's so backlogged with the Trump administration. And
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  Speaker 2: by the way, this was established in during the Obama years,
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  Speaker 2: only used very rarely in only one small section of
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  Speaker 2: the country. What the metering is is that border control,
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  Speaker 2: the border people can stop people from coming in and
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  Speaker 2: asking for asylum. How many times have you heard stories
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  Speaker 2: of people crossing over and immediately turning themselves over to
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  Speaker 2: border control and saying, I'm declaring asylum. I want asylum,
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  Speaker 2: and the law says, yeah, you have it. You get
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  Speaker 2: a hearing, and because we don't have room for you
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  Speaker 2: any place, we're going to let you go into the
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  Speaker 2: general population. Here's your hearing date five years from now.
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  Speaker 2: And strangely enough, a lot of those people disappear.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the.
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  Speaker 2: Numbers, but the Trump administration is saying it's all fraud.
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  Speaker 2: All the asylum requests are fraud, which of course is
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  Speaker 2: not true. There are plenty of legitimate ones, but there
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  Speaker 2: are plenty of people that want to come into this
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  Speaker 2: country and use that as an avenue. And if you're
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  Speaker 2: arguing that everybody who lives in a foreign country that
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  Speaker 2: is at danger, those people are at danger of the
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  Speaker 2: results of a natural disaster or persecution. Man, that's almost
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  Speaker 2: everybody in the world. That's gotten so bad. How many
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  Speaker 2: countries do not suffer. Certainly all third world countries out
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  Speaker 2: there are suffering from this. So this temporary protect a
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  Speaker 2: status is expected to impact immigrants from all seventeen countries,
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  Speaker 2: and the President has said these are the countries that
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  Speaker 2: we are going to do this metering program or we're
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  Speaker 2: going to stop people at the border and say no,
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  Speaker 2: thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Other countries are not going to do that. But it's
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  Speaker 1: the president's called.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the court have said, and it's basically true.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, I may not like it, but the
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  Speaker 2: word temporary doesn't exist for those people that want the
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  Speaker 2: open arms see for people who still believe in what's
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  Speaker 2: at the base of the statue of liberty, the Emily
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  Speaker 2: Lazarus poem, send me you're wretched, send me your poor,
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  Speaker 2: And that's basically everybody.
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  Speaker 1: And is there a line? I mean, is there a limit?
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  Speaker 2: And you ask people who were in favor of outright
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  Speaker 2: immigration from any place in the world that people were
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  Speaker 2: escaping from, is there a limit million, ten million, fifteen
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  Speaker 2: million per year, give me a give me a number,
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  Speaker 2: and they can't. Or it's either everybody or in the
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  Speaker 2: case of the administration, virtually nobody. Big decisions handed down
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  Speaker 2: yesterday by the Supreme Court, all of them as a
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  Speaker 2: matter of fact, bringing in favor of the Trump administration,
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  Speaker 2: the administration in general, and in this case Second Amendment people.
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  Speaker 2: Some big wins for Donald Trump, as far as the
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court is concerned. But then again he chose, He
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  Speaker 2: selected three Supreme Court justices who turned the court totally conservative.
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  Speaker 2: And yesterday this had to do with a gun ownership,
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  Speaker 2: and the Court ruled that license owners have a right
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  Speaker 2: to carry a concealed weapon into stores and other private
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  Speaker 2: places that public can walk into, the public can go
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  Speaker 2: to unless the owner objects. Six to three decision striking
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  Speaker 2: down laws in Hawaii and California and New York, New Jersey, Maryland.
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  Speaker 2: And what those laws said is that people who have
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  Speaker 2: concealed weapons permits cannot walk into a place of business
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  Speaker 2: open to the public unless the owner gives permission. And
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  Speaker 2: now is you can whether unless the owner denies permission.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, the owner has to say no instead
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  Speaker 2: of yes. It turns it around. It's just easier for
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  Speaker 2: someone to walk into a place of business unless the
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  Speaker 2: owner specifically says.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, no guns.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know how much that really changes anything,
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  Speaker 2: because to get around it, all you need is sign
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  Speaker 2: on the door. This is we give permission for anybody
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  Speaker 2: to come in and carry a gun, or we deny
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  Speaker 2: permission for anybody to come in unless you have permission.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really two sides of the coin, but.
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  Speaker 2: One leans towards gun ownership and gun rights, and so
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  Speaker 2: it's Samuel Alioto of the Justice said, these new laws,
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  Speaker 2: if uphelled, we're talking about the laws in Hawaii and California,
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  Speaker 2: would impose severe restrictions on the daily activities of residents
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  Speaker 2: who have satisfied the state's rigorous requirements for the issue
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  Speaker 2: of a gun permit. What he's saying is, it's so
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  Speaker 2: hard to get a gun permit anyway. You have to
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  Speaker 2: go through all these hoops that by the time you've
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  Speaker 2: gotten it, it doesn't make any difference. Of course, you
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  Speaker 2: can go into a store unless the store war owner
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  Speaker 2: says no. So it just opens up the ability of
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  Speaker 2: people to go into a place of business that heretofore
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't do according to the laws of Hawaii and
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  Speaker 2: California unless expressly given permission to do so. And so
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  Speaker 2: it changes the paradigm a bit, actually changes that a
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  Speaker 2: law a lot. And this has to do with Second
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  Speaker 2: Amendment stuff. Let's expand the Second Amendment. Also, the California
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  Speaker 2: law listed all of these places that you could not
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  Speaker 2: walk into because of their public places, and we can
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  Speaker 2: control the areas you can come into. Supreme Court said, nope,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to expand those areas that you can go
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  Speaker 2: into unless deny specific permission. It just says you can
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  Speaker 2: do more, a lot more. And these laws which restrict
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  Speaker 2: people from coming in are basically illegal.
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  Speaker 1: And it's you know, just a quick point about Second.
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  Speaker 2: Amendment rights and what the advocates of Second amendments say.
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  Speaker 2: It has to do with the court interpreting the Constitution.
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  Speaker 2: You know, for example, the religious folks say that or
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  Speaker 2: the non religious folks say that the prohibition the law
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  Speaker 2: in the First Amendment says Congress shall not abridge any religion. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that means that Congress or any law past cannot mention
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  Speaker 2: religion at all. Except now you have the religious folks
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  Speaker 2: have argued the other side, and the Court has said, yep,
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  Speaker 2: I mean there is a case that is I mean
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  Speaker 2: completely crazy, and we're going to do that coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And has to do with Texas also Second Amendment. I
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  Speaker 2: want you to ask anybody who says talks about Second
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  Speaker 2: Amendment your right to have bare arms, how many people
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  Speaker 2: know the Third Amendment? Anybody out there know about the
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  Speaker 2: Third Amendment? How about nobody? It's just Second Amendments. So
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  Speaker 2: the argument of constitutional right, customers to right is the croc.
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  Speaker 2: We just want laws that let us do that. And
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  Speaker 2: by the way, again it's interpreting because the language of
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  Speaker 2: the Second Amendment has to do with forming a militia
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  Speaker 2: in order to protect society. Do you know that Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court the militia language has disappeared completely.
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  Speaker 1: They ignore it.
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  Speaker 2: All the people believe in and the court the right
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  Speaker 2: to bear arms shall not be abridged. Well, how about
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  Speaker 2: militia language, what does that mean? Nope, we're not even
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  Speaker 2: gonna look at it. So it's the court's interpret the
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  Speaker 2: Court's hand down, and so another big win for gun
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  Speaker 2: advocates on this one.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, great story I wanted to share with you.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a New York Times and it starts
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  Speaker 2: with this couple, Alan Hickenbottom and his wife and they
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  Speaker 2: filed for divorce after thirty five years together and now
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  Speaker 2: he still believes the marriage was a success. Earliers were
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  Speaker 2: fun and excited. They bonded over shared love of books, arts,
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  Speaker 2: and doing good things in the world. They raise the
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  Speaker 2: two kids, but then the kids left for college and
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  Speaker 2: hick and Bottom realize that he and his wife are
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  Speaker 2: more like colleagues and roommates than romantic partners. Some people realize,
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  Speaker 2: after fifty years of college of marriage, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I really hate my spouse. I'm not really happy with
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  Speaker 2: my spouse. And therein lies gray divorces Among people fifty
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  Speaker 2: and older, the divorces rates have sharply risen in the US,
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  Speaker 2: doubling between nineteen ninety and twenty ten, and today forty
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  Speaker 2: percent of divorces are between people that are fifty years
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  Speaker 2: of age or older. And that is fairly new because
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  Speaker 2: well it's getting newer and newer, so many more people
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  Speaker 2: are getting divorced. And why is that, Well, exactly after
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  Speaker 2: fifty years. My parents were divorced for fifty years, I
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  Speaker 2: mean married for fifty they never got divorced, and growing
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  Speaker 2: up knowing they hated each other was really pleasant. And
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people do because they just hang out
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  Speaker 2: together because well, you sort of, it's like an old shoe.
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  Speaker 1: It gets comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: And so the sociologists are calling these empty shell marriages
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  Speaker 2: where people stay married no real connection, one or both
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  Speaker 2: partners aren't happy and what Traditionally, you know, couples decided
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  Speaker 2: to stay together, for example, for the sake of their kids.
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  Speaker 2: You know the story of this couple in their nineties
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  Speaker 2: that hated each other. And why did you stay married? Well,
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  Speaker 2: because we had to wait till the kids were dead. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you stay together because of the kids. Well, people aren't
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  Speaker 2: no longer, but they stay married because you've got economic stability,
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  Speaker 2: fear of the stigma. If you're married for fifty years
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden people think there's something wrong
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 1: One of the reasons is people just living a lot older.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's easy to get get unhappy and just sick
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  Speaker 2: of people that have been around for a whole long time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how long have we been together on the
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  Speaker 2: Morning show? I mean years. I am so sick of
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: you people that I can barely stand it. Three years
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  Speaker 2: for Amy, it didn't take very long. Cono, two years
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  Speaker 2: for Cono, three years for me.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And and I am really sick of you folks. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, just want to share that with you. I
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  Speaker 2: want to follow this up when we come back, and
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  Speaker 2: then if we have time jumping into city killers.
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  Speaker 1: What are city killers? I'll explain that one when we
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  Speaker 1: come back.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Gray, empty shell marriages, which, by the way, if
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  Speaker 2: you stay married for enough length of time, you too,
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  Speaker 2: are going to get sick of your spouse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, who wants to stay married? I'll be right back.
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