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The Late Debate | 8 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, Welcome to the Waked Blades.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. I'm Free Leech, joined by Jamie
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  Speaker 2: Rodgers and kel Richards. Coming up tonight. A teenager has
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  Speaker 2: died of a drug overdose after chat GBT taught him
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  Speaker 2: how to take drugs.
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  Speaker 3: How far will AI be allowed to go?
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  Speaker 2: Plus a disturbing mural has appeared at a Sydney train
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  Speaker 2: station depicting an Aboriginal girl stabbing a white colonizer to
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  Speaker 2: death with the words dead Colonizer's harm no one and
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  Speaker 2: abolish Australia.
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  Speaker 3: And the worst part.
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  Speaker 2: Is this so called artist has received government grants. More
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  Speaker 2: on that later in the hour. Plus drivers divers on
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  Speaker 2: West Australia's coast, famous for its shipwrecks, discovered as safe
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  Speaker 2: on the ocean floor and you won't believe what they
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  Speaker 2: found when they opened it up. But first, after weeks
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  Speaker 2: of pressure, Easy has finally caved and agreed to establish
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  Speaker 2: a Royal commission into the Bundai massacre.
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  Speaker 4: It's clear to me that a royal commission is essential.
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  Speaker 4: Today I announced that I will be recommending to the
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  Speaker 4: Governor General in an Executive Council meeting that will be
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  Speaker 4: held tomorrow that a Royal Commission on Any Semitism and
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  Speaker 4: Social Cohesion be established. Dennis Richardson's work will become part
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  Speaker 4: of the Commission and he will support its work with
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  Speaker 4: delivery of an interim report by the Commission in April.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the first thing to acknowledge off the top is
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  Speaker 2: while this is a good outcome, it's what we've all
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  Speaker 2: been calling for for a number of weeks. Now we
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  Speaker 2: know Albo didn't want this. He was forced into this
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  Speaker 2: position kicking and screaming. The second factor that concerns me
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  Speaker 2: is who is going to be in charge of the
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  Speaker 2: Royal Commission. Virginia Bell. She is a progressive. She has
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  Speaker 2: made judgments in the past around protest rights that have
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  Speaker 2: been used. That was used as one of the precedents
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  Speaker 2: to allow the Harbor Bridge protests to occur. So does
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  Speaker 2: that put her in a bit of a conflict of
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  Speaker 2: interest where she will be asked to judge the effects
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  Speaker 2: of what she is partly responsible for in her legal judgments.
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  Speaker 2: And then I think once you look at the terms
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  Speaker 2: of reference of the Royal Commission that's been put forward, firstly,
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  Speaker 2: no mention of radical Islam. That's the first problem. And
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  Speaker 2: secondly it also states that the Royal Commission should uphold
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  Speaker 2: social cohesion. Now that seemed peculiar to me, because social
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  Speaker 2: cohesion is in tatters and the Royal Commission is trying
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  Speaker 2: to find out why, and that's probably not going to
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  Speaker 2: be very comfortable. It's going to involve a lot of
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  Speaker 2: hard truths. But if already off straight out the gay
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  Speaker 2: the government is that can serve and with upholding social cohesion,
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  Speaker 2: will that impact the kinds of avenues they're willing to
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  Speaker 2: explore here?
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  Speaker 1: Cal of course it will. Of course it will. Bear
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  Speaker 1: in mind the expression that's been used by commentators is
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  Speaker 1: she is labor aligned. Now you work out what that means.
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  Speaker 1: Do you really believe that Anthony Albanez he sat in
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  Speaker 1: his office chatting to his advisors and close colleagues and
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  Speaker 1: didn't say, can we find a Royal commissioners one of
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  Speaker 1: us on our side who look after our bit, who
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  Speaker 1: won't dig up anything we'd of course they had that
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  Speaker 1: sort of discussion, of course they did. And the spin
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  Speaker 1: that he's been putting on this thing from the beginning
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  Speaker 1: is well, it's all about unity and social cohesion. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not that we didn't got things wrong for two
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  Speaker 1: years not that we sat here moving at the pace
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  Speaker 1: of a fairly slow glacier doing nothing. Not that at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's just that we're protecting social cohesion by doing nothing.
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  Speaker 1: So if we're inactive and ineffective, social cohesion is better.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's built that into what Virginia Bell will look at.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be really interesting to see the details,
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  Speaker 1: because there'll have to be more details, and it will
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see how it starts to function. If
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  Speaker 1: she starts functioning as someone who is going to protect
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  Speaker 1: the government, there will be an outcry. The very fact
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  Speaker 1: that she's in there means Anthony Albanese is still not
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  Speaker 1: listening to the Jewish community who said, don't use Virginia Bell.
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  Speaker 1: She's brought down judgments that have allowed pro Palestinian marches,
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  Speaker 1: so he ignored that, right, So this is the man
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  Speaker 1: who listens. I listen. I've been on a listening watch
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  Speaker 1: and I listened to the Jewish community and then you
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  Speaker 1: rejected what they said, didn't you. That's what you did,
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  Speaker 1: mister Albanezi. So we have to watch the process that
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  Speaker 1: the meetings would be public, the hearings would be public,
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  Speaker 1: and we need to listen carefully to how it's being done,
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  Speaker 1: and the community has to keep We've pushed this. This
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  Speaker 1: is not Albanese's royal commission. This is our royal commission.
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  Speaker 1: We now need to monitor it and we need to
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  Speaker 1: keep feeding back whether it's on track or not.
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  Speaker 2: Question there as well, Jamie around radical Islam and it's
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  Speaker 2: interesting in the press conference you listen to Albanezy talk
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  Speaker 2: and he talks a lot about anti Semitism, which obviously
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  Speaker 2: is the issue here and it has come from a
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  Speaker 2: range of areas of society, the radical left, academia, the arts.
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  Speaker 2: But this terror attack was driven by radical Islamic ideology.
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  Speaker 2: So the fact that that has been completely left out
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  Speaker 2: of the terms of reference, I it doesn't instill a
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  Speaker 2: lot of confidence in me that that's actually going to
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  Speaker 2: be properly addressed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there were a few things that also brought to
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  Speaker 5: my attention to that I thought were missing from the
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  Speaker 5: terms of reference. But look, we do also need to
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  Speaker 5: say well done that he is finally after twenty five days,
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  Speaker 5: despite Diggy's heels in at ignoring calls from the Jewish
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  Speaker 5: community and athletes are absolutely kicking and screaming. He did
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  Speaker 5: not want to have this royal but he has finally
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  Speaker 5: done so, but he has done it by calling with
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  Speaker 5: Virginia Bell, who, as you just mentioned kel is a
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  Speaker 5: labor friendly judge. I would have liked to have seen
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  Speaker 5: the coalition's idea where they appoint three people onto the commission,
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  Speaker 5: whether that's a judge. So they've got Virginia Bell because
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  Speaker 5: she doesn't have any national security experience, so you would
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  Speaker 5: like to hope that she then brings on some really
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  Speaker 5: experienced staff. And within that staff, we need to ensure
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  Speaker 5: that they're not labor mates.
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  Speaker 6: You need to go and find.
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  Speaker 5: The experts in your field, so in the national security,
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  Speaker 5: which is so crucial right now, but then also members
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  Speaker 5: of the Jewish community also need to look part of it.
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  Speaker 1: That's often the most important person in a Royal commission
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  Speaker 1: is the Senior Council advising the Royal Commissioner, because they
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  Speaker 1: are the people who cross examine the witnesses. If they
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  Speaker 1: get someone good for that, that will make a difference.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, But it's also interesting. I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 5: just me that's missed this, but it looked as though
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  Speaker 5: the terms of reference didn't include any of the government
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  Speaker 5: decision making. So is he trying to shift the focus
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  Speaker 5: away from government, which is part of the reason why
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  Speaker 5: we think he's taken so long to call this royal commission.
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  Speaker 5: But by mentioning things like social cohesion over and over
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  Speaker 5: and over and over again, I do fear that elements
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  Speaker 5: of the truth are going to continue to be buried
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  Speaker 5: off the back of that risk that he can say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: it'll cause non social cohesion. And I would like to
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  Speaker 5: see though, that the government is also scrutinized strouss throughout
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  Speaker 5: this process.
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  Speaker 1: If in the detail they say government ministers or past
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  Speaker 1: ministers cannot be called as witnesses, cannot be cross examined,
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  Speaker 1: If they say that when the detail comes out then
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  Speaker 1: we know the whole thing's are.
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  Speaker 3: Stitch up, then that's just an absolute sham.
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  Speaker 2: But let's not forget the amount of pressure Labor is
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  Speaker 2: under from within their own party to not take a
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  Speaker 2: strong stand against anti Semitism. The New South Wales Labour
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  Speaker 2: Friends of Palestine have released a public letter calling on
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  Speaker 2: Labor to block the visit of the President of Israel,
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  Speaker 2: Isaac Hertzog, who is due to come to Australia in
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks to pay his respects to the
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  Speaker 2: victims of the bund name assacre and obviously commemorate the
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  Speaker 2: largest terror attack on Jews outside of Israel since the Holocaust.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that is so indicative, Kel, then you
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  Speaker 2: already have less than a month on from the bone massacre.
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  Speaker 2: Groups within Labor lobbying MPs who no doubt they have
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  Speaker 2: numbers in their pre selections, they have political influence within
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  Speaker 2: the party, and they're lobbying Labor to block what is
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  Speaker 2: a very appropriate state physis.
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  Speaker 1: Of course it is. I mean, Isaac Hurzog is a
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  Speaker 1: dignified diplomatic man and he represents a nation. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: represent a government. That's what governors do, like our governor general.
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  Speaker 1: The interesting thing about this is it reminds us that
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  Speaker 1: in fact, anti Semitism comes from two sources, not one source.
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  Speaker 1: We know it comes from radical Islam, but it also
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  Speaker 1: comes from the socialist left. There is a big antisemitic
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  Speaker 1: drive from the socialist left. There are a number of
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  Speaker 1: key prominent Labour figures who've been anti Zionists, as they
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  Speaker 1: would say, arguing against the state of Israel for a
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  Speaker 1: very long time. Now there's this very heavy anti Zionist
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  Speaker 1: which drifts into anti Semitism, which drifts into due hatred
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  Speaker 1: in the socialist left. Now our beliez. He comes from
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  Speaker 1: the Socialist Left. He was the faction leader for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. It's his people that he has spent years
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  Speaker 1: and years working with who were saying no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: we don't do this sort of thing. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: really worry about the Labor Party, Socialist Left. I really
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  Speaker 1: think they are the people who will pedal lines like well,
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  Speaker 1: one of the leading I'm not going to name it,
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  Speaker 1: but one of the leading labor figures was talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Jewish lobby, the Israel lobby that pushes all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff in the media. I mean, that is sinister, that
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  Speaker 1: is evil, that is wrong. So it's useful. Their opposition
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  Speaker 1: to Isaac kurtzk coming here is useful because it reminds
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  Speaker 1: us that there are enemies there as well as in
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  Speaker 1: radical Islam.
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  Speaker 5: Let's also not forget that Hertzog is from the Labor
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  Speaker 5: equivalent party over in Israel and he is very good
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  Speaker 5: for friends with Kevin RhD and other Labour figures. So
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  Speaker 5: he is coming out representing that side of government. But
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  Speaker 5: this shouldn't be anything even remotely controversial, and it does
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  Speaker 5: follow calls where we saw the Imam's council last week
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  Speaker 5: also saying that we should be rittegging on the invitation.
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  Speaker 5: I think it is incredibly disrespectful. The time of doing
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  Speaker 5: this is outrageous. This is a community that is in
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  Speaker 5: mourning and it is a sign that when he comes
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  Speaker 5: out and can stand there and support them, we should
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  Speaker 5: be welcoming him. But also to just reiterate to the
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  Speaker 5: Jewish community that we all stand with them and that
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  Speaker 5: we're keeping the dialogue open with Israel, who is meant
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  Speaker 5: to be one of our top allies.
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  Speaker 1: It's very important. Now this is not the only thing
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  Speaker 1: the Albanezi government is doing. They're also introducing speech laws.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't seen these yet. Presumably they're drafting them at
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  Speaker 1: the moment and so they'll be showing to the opposition
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  Speaker 1: and we will see them reasonably soon. But the opposition
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  Speaker 1: leader today, Susan Lee, said the hate speech laws don't
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  Speaker 1: need to cover other things. Someone of the news conference said,
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  Speaker 1: does it need to cover you know, LGBTQ issues and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, And that's the whole point. It is
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  Speaker 1: hate speech. In fact, there's just two issues that they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about. They're talking about one hate speech, which is
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  Speaker 1: aggravated hate speech that's meant to cover people like the
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  Speaker 1: hate preachers whose words could lead to violence. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the rock that cries out a Muslim, there is a
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  Speaker 1: Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him. Those kinds
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  Speaker 1: of hate peature preachers, they in fact will, they will
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  Speaker 1: be covered. And there's a second one, which is serious
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  Speaker 1: vilification based on race, like lumping all the Jews together
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  Speaker 1: and say they're all manipulating some whatever. Now they're the
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  Speaker 1: only two things they're meant to cover, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: need to cover the LGBTQ. The LGBTQ community, without being
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  Speaker 1: unkind to them, are inclined to think whatever's happening is
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  Speaker 1: about me, me, me, me, makes something about this about me,
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  Speaker 1: They've they've got to cover me and look after me
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  Speaker 1: all the time. And I'm sorry, it's not about you.
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  Speaker 1: It is about the wider community in the Jewish community,
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  Speaker 1: So get over that. And except the fact it's not
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  Speaker 1: about you, And the hate speech ruaws have got to
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  Speaker 1: be focused, haven't they.
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  Speaker 2: And this was always my risk with the hate speech laws.
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  Speaker 2: You see how in the UK, for example, what starts
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  Speaker 2: out as good intentions, Oh, we want to protect people
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  Speaker 2: from harmful words ends up just creeping and creeping and creeping,
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  Speaker 2: and when you add in things like lgbt Q protections,
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  Speaker 2: that is just not the core issue at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: We had an anti Semitic terror attack that killed fifteen
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  Speaker 2: people only a couple of weeks ago. That is what
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  Speaker 2: we should be focusing on. Once you start adding lgbt
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  Speaker 2: protections into hate speech laws, it has massive implications for
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  Speaker 2: freedom of religion, for the kinds of stuff you can
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  Speaker 2: preach in churches, and that is just not a core
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  Speaker 2: issue that we need to be dealing with right now.
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  Speaker 5: No, tackling hate speech is certainly not a license to
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  Speaker 5: start coming after free speech, and I think right now
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  Speaker 5: we don't want to be diluting the issue that we
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  Speaker 5: have just seen on our shores.
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  Speaker 6: And what is an.
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  Speaker 5: Imminent threat right now to our society is Islamic extremism
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  Speaker 5: and anti semitism. So that is what this law needs
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  Speaker 5: to solely focus on to ensure that we can make change. Well,
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  Speaker 5: speaking of hate speeches, Adelaide Festival has removed one of
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  Speaker 5: their appearances by a Palestinian Egyptian author, Randa abdel Fatta.
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  Speaker 5: Now she was someone that has tweeted some horrendous things
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  Speaker 5: about Israel over the past few years. In one in particular,
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  Speaker 5: on Boxing Day in twenty twenty four, she posted on
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  Speaker 5: x May twenty twenty five, be the end of Israel.
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  Speaker 5: This woman also organized a children's excursion to a pro
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  Speaker 5: Palestinian protest at the University of Sydney, and it was
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  Speaker 5: here that people were filmed.
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  Speaker 6: Calling for the inter fada.
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  Speaker 5: And this is the chant that is now planned to
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  Speaker 5: be banned under Chrismin's new laws. So she was supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be participating in Writers Week, which is a festival
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  Speaker 5: in Adelaide. They have since pulled her appearance, which I
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  Speaker 5: think is a grade outcome. The fact that it even
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  Speaker 5: got to this points because the festival's only next week,
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  Speaker 5: so she was still invited when they knew full well
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  Speaker 5: her stance and what she has done previously. But this
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  Speaker 5: was also the woman who had has an eight hundred
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  Speaker 5: and seventy thousand dollars taxpayer funded grant. This was temporarily
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  Speaker 5: suspended as Jason Clair did investigate her, but that grant
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  Speaker 5: was subsequently reinstated, so she still has it, and I
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  Speaker 5: just think the fact that she even has that grant
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  Speaker 5: is still unacceptable. And probably should be investigated again. But
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  Speaker 5: I think this is a really good move by Adelaide
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  Speaker 5: Festival to not have someone like that standing up there
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  Speaker 5: at an event.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my question is, how do these people keep getting
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  Speaker 2: invited to speak at all these festivals in the first place?
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  Speaker 1: The arts community. The arts community is very left wing.
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  Speaker 1: The arts community is not balanced. I mean Jerrar Henderson
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  Speaker 1: says this often. He says, you can go to any
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  Speaker 1: arts festival and their idea of a range of opinion
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  Speaker 1: is to have a range of leftists from the hard
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  Speaker 1: lift of the soft lift or whatever's There's no conservatives,
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  Speaker 1: there's no one from the right. There's no one who
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  Speaker 1: thinks like that. Now, I don't know what my own
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  Speaker 1: guess is that the arts community as a whole is
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  Speaker 1: not like that. It's the arts, the arts activists, you've
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  Speaker 1: captured it.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's the problem, right, And you know, whenever I
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  Speaker 2: hear people getting canceled, I sort of think, oh, we
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  Speaker 2: don't really want that. But at the same time, how
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  Speaker 2: have Jewish artists been treated for the last two years,
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  Speaker 2: and not only Jewish artists, Jewish artists who are vocally
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  Speaker 2: supportive of Israel. Well, good luck having any career. Give
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  Speaker 2: me people like Debra Conway is a great example the
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  Speaker 2: five hundred Jewish creatives that got docked online and are
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  Speaker 2: still feeling the implications of that.
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  Speaker 3: So I just think, you know what, stuffer.
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  Speaker 2: This is just a fraction of what Jewish artists have
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  Speaker 2: had to experience for two years thanks to your mob.
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  Speaker 2: So you can just get over it. And she is
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  Speaker 2: not someone that is just pro Palestine. The day after
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  Speaker 2: October seven, she changed her social media profile picture to
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  Speaker 2: paratroopers coming in like it's that iconic image of the
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  Speaker 2: paratroopers coming into the Nova Music Festival site to massacred Jews.
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  Speaker 2: That's what she changed her social media profile pictures too.
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  Speaker 2: It's been clear since day one where she stands.
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  Speaker 1: And remember what she did with the children. She took
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  Speaker 1: the children to the law at Sydney University in front
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  Speaker 1: of the Great Hall, and they were little children. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a grandpa, so I really got angry about this, and
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  Speaker 1: she taught little children to chat into father intero fada.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that is so close to
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  Speaker 1: child abuse. It's terrible. I mean, brainwashing little kids is horrible.
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  Speaker 1: She's obviously not a very nice person.
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  Speaker 3: No, it is just genuinely horrendous.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hopefully this marks the beginning though of pushback within
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  Speaker 2: the arts and finally some of these people growing a
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  Speaker 2: pair and pushing back against the blatant activism that seems
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  Speaker 2: to have taken over at the sector. Well, let's change
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  Speaker 2: gears a little bit now and head over to the
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  Speaker 2: US where there has been a massive controversy in Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: today where ICE agents allegedly shot a woman at point
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  Speaker 2: blank range. Now it's being argued how did this happen?
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  Speaker 2: Was it purely self defense? Was it an overreaction by
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  Speaker 2: the ICE agents? Before we play this video, I will
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  Speaker 2: warn you this is quite distressing people.
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  Speaker 7: No, no, God, what you do?
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  Speaker 6: You shame? Shame, shame, shame.
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  Speaker 2: So what happened there? And this is from ICE and
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  Speaker 2: from the Trump administration. They claim that there was a
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  Speaker 2: protester who'd been harassing ICE all morning in the car.
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  Speaker 2: She then put her car in drive and drove straight
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  Speaker 2: at an ICE officer, who then responding in self defense.
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  Speaker 2: Because a car is considered a lethal weapon, so you
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: were allowed to respond with lethal force, he shot the
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: driver out of self defense. Of course, the local Democrats
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: who controlled the city and the state were outraged.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Here was the mayor.
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: They are already trying to spin this as an action
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: want to tell everybody directly that is booked. This was
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying.
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: And I have a message for ICE to ICE get
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: out of Minneapolis.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that kel.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: If I drove my car directly into a police officer,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not really sure what I would expect, other than
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: them to neutralize me, because you could take their line.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: What actually happened will come out because the ICE officers
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: would have been wearing body cams. Their vision we haven't
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: seen yet, so all of that will come out. We
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: need to understand the background, because there's a big background
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: behind this. As soon as Trump was elected, he closed
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the border and he said I'm going to deport illegal aliens,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: illegal immigrants, and started doing it using these agents, which
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: are federal law enforcement agents. And what happened was the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Democrat politicians across America immediately said we're on the side
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of the illegal immigrants and we're opposed to Trump because
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Trump is such a horrible person, we have to oppose him.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: About him everything, So they ended up. There were Democrat
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: politicians who ended up defending drug peddlers and gangsters and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: people like that because they were illegal and ICE was
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: after them and trying to get rid of them. In Chicago,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: for example, though they had a very bad time when
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: there were that language by the way, by the Democratic
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: politicians roused up mobs of people to come and surround
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: ICE and attack ICE facilities in Chicago. When that was happening,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and ICE cars were under attack and being pursued pickup
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: trucks and some of them were ramming into them, the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Chicago police were told not to attend and not to
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: defend the federal agents. So these are state bodies and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: local bodies saying we are going to ignore federal law
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and ignore federal agents. So and that mayor, that young
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: bloke who is the mayor of Minneapolis is one of them.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: He is a leading Trump Now we don't know all
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the details. The whole story will come out in due course,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: but he is so heavily committed to being anti Trump
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and anti the federal agents doing anything, it's really hard
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to take it seriously when he does the angle.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Like this, and it is sad when he listened to
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: the US Homeland Secretary Security Secretary in Christy Nome, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: she has referred to this now as an act of
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: domestic terrorism. But when she's referring to the abuse that
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: these ICE agents have copped and the one that allegedly
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: did fire, that gunn had actually been rammed by a
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: car again back in June. So they are getting treated
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: in this way. But it's going to be interesting watching
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: how things play out now in this area. When you
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: listen to Governor Tim Woltz, it's almost like he's trying
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: to create a national movement. In his press conference, he
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: was saying to all of the other states in the US.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: He was listing things like Portland and California, and he said,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: come and stand with stand with us, stand with Minnesota.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: And it's almost when I was watching it and I thought,
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: this is someone who's trying to restore his own political reputation.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Him going up against Trump and almost looking really tough
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: like he's bringing down Trump might be his way of
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: trying to salvage left of his political career off the
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: back of the frauds gounder, which is something totally separate
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: and the reason why he's not contesting the next election,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: but I do think that there is an element of that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: So it's absolute mayhem over there right now. But it
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: will be interesting to see what plays out when the
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: FBI are investigating.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: And don't forget Tim Waltz. He has let Minnesota burn
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: before during the Black Lives Matter riots, billions of dollars
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of damage to Minnesota. He did nothing nothing. In fact,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: they were part of the whole movement to defund the police.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: So this is a political party. The Democrats, and certainly
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Tim Waltz himself and the Democrats in Minnesota, they do
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: not stand on the side of law and order. They
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: do not stand on the side of good behavior and civility.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: They are actually happy to watch America burn because they
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: are so just obsessed with tearing it all down.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: So the Eddie Trump thing is just amazing. And if
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: memory serves me correctly, I think I'm right about this.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Tim Wallas's wife talked about driving through Minnesota when it
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: was burning just to see what was happening, at what
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: was going on, which is pretty cold blooded. Let's come
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: back home now and let's have a look at the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: rollout of the renewables. We know what it's doing to Australia.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: What it's doing to Western Australia is particularly bad because
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they're wanting to build a whole stream of renewables in
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the wheat belt, which is one of the most productive
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: areas in a Western Australia, because the wheatbelt happens to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: be on the line where they have the big transmission
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: lines already for high tension power. Now, what they're doing
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: is they've got laws which say that if you own
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a property and you decide you want to erect a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: new building, but it's close to where a neighbor has
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: allowed a wind turbine to be built, well you can
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: be denied permission on the basis that it's too close
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: to the wind turbine. What this is all about is
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: noise pollution. The wind turbines do create noise pollution, They
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: damage human health. So the worry is you'll build up
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: a second house there for members of the family or
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: for the shearers who come once a year or as
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a B and B or whatever, and if it's too
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: close to the wind turbine, they will complain about the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: noise and then the wind turbine will have to operate less.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And so we have to protect the wind turbine by
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: not allowing you to build there. I mean, it's I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: don't understand this obsession with the wind and the solar
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and the rest of it matters more than anything else
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: on the face of the earth. I just it beats me.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: But it's literally that that the wind turbines and these
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: wind farms are more important than homeowners and undermining home
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: ownership and rights that you have when you own a property,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: and the shear cost of all of this as well,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: you know, another twenty billion which is going into the
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: wind farms. I just think there's so many other ways
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: that we could be looking at options without going and
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: ruining our beautiful natural landscape and the land out there
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: with wind turbines.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: And now that you kind even build on your own property.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Well that's what they're essentially conceding, that these wind turbines
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: are so disruptive that in all, in order to prevent
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: noise complaints and complaints from other residents, we are going
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: to limit your ability to use your own land for
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: what you want because you're going to complain about the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: wind turbines because we know they haven't even been built,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: but we know that they are that disruptive. That doesn't
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: sound like a good deal to me, just quickly. Chat
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: gpt has a whole range of applications, but one of
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the more sinister ones that we have seen tragically is
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: a young man in the US has used chat ept
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to teach him how to take drugs and he ended
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: up dying of a drug overdose. An example of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: kind of things he was talking about. He told chat ept,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I want to go full trippy peaking hard.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Can you help me? I think that's something to do
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: with getting.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: High, and chat gpt goes, hell, yes, let's go full
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: trippy mode and then provides instructions saying you're in the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: perfect window for peaking. Let's dial in your environment and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: mindset for maximum dissociation visuals and mind drift. And then
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the next chat then provided ideas for how to get
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: high and reduce symptoms of being high. So it is
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: just tragic now, this young man ended up taking chat
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: GPT's advice, took more xanax and ended up with this
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: toxic cocktail of drugs that took his life ultimately. But Jamie,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the fact that a young man could have this conversation
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: with chat gpt, but no alarm bells went off, nothing
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: was flagged in the system.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: How can that happen?
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: But that's the sad reality of AI. And you do
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: hear a lot of these developers that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Are mentioning, especially Steven Adler, who's a former AI safety
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: research who said.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: We don't know.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: We can't control a lot of what's going out there.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Like when you build an app, you know if there's
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: a problem, you can go in the back end and
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: fix it. But with AI, there's so much unknown that
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: they actually don't know how to stop a lot of this,
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: which is the scary reality. And eight hundred million people
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: around the world use AI every single week. And to
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: the point just before about that poor young boy chatch
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Ebt even gave him a playlist to listen to while
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: he was on his drug high. That's the level of
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: detail that the chatbot went to.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: It's misnamed. I keep insisting it is actually artificial stupidity,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: which functions under the non de gear of artificial intelligence,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: because it's not intelligence. Intelligence is in people. This is
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: a machine and machines will not make judgments about what
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: is good and bad for people. It's only even though
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it's a very fast machine and it's got a huge
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: language library and all the rest of it. It's still
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: a machine and human lives should not be in the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: hands of machine.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: But then there is probably an element of personal responsibility
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: where if he's asking chatch Ebt how to take drugs,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: he was probably going to take drugs anyway, So at
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: some point we do need guide rails, but maybe to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: ask you.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: What was safe?
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: True, So that was the difference that he wanted to
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: know the safe level of what he should be taking.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: There is no such thing as a safe drug, guys.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: That's the lesson from this. And don't trust Jack chant
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Gpt either. But we're going to go to a break now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, a very disturbing mural has
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: appeared at a Sydney train station. Just wait till you
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: see it. Welcome back to the program. Well, a mysterious
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: mural has popped up at Linfield Station, which is a
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: train station on Sydney's affluent North Shore. Now this artwork,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I guess you could call it, that was done by
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: an artist called Charlotte Allingham and it depicts an Aboriginal
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: girl stabbing a white colonizer aka a British settler to death.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And then you can see blood pouring out of the
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: white person's neck. On the side it reads dead colonizers
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: harm no One. And on the right side there is
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a picture of the Australian flag showing up in flames,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: under which it is written abolish Australia. Now, this artist,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Charlotte Allingham, has received government grants, of course, because they
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: all hate the government till they can get money from it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: She's received the Victorian Government's Creative Project Fund in twenty
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: twenty two and a Screen Australia Grand also in twenty
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: twenty two.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: But kel, imagine if this was any other race.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Imagine if the roles were reversed and it was a
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: white person stabbing an Indigenous person, or any other race
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: for that matter. I'm not sure how this doesn't meet
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the threshold for racial vilification at the very least, but
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: even potentially crossing the line into incitement to violence.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Well, it's showing violence, isn't it. I mean that that
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: stabbing is a violence. Stabbing its showing violence. So will
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: this come under Alberesi's new HBACH laws. We wait with interest,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And I just say that Linnfield is my local railway station.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it I don't know where it is,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: so I don't think it's all that big, and I
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: don't think it's all that prominent. So that's good news.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But it's just bizarre when this activist artist, whatever she is,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: says abolish Australia. What she actually means is she would
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like to get rid of education, medicine, science, engineering, technology,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and she would like to go back to wearing a
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: loincloth and living in a humpy and just hunting kangaroos
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and looking for wild berries. Is that what she means?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Because all of that is a gift that we gave
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to the people we found here when our ancestors arrived.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: They came and they presented Western civilization to the people
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: who lived in a huge number of whom became really
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: integrated into society and said this is terrific. People like
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Benelong and a host of others said this is great.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Will be part of all of this. So why these
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: angry activists are around now saying we don't want any
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of this. I just don't think they're the thinking through it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: This ain't It's just so enough, Like, when are we
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: going to stop being such an apologetic culture and constantly
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: looking at the past and making everyone constantly feel guilty.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: How can you as a society actually flourish and thrive
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: if you're always looking backwards instead of looking forwards. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: what concerns me about this artist? She's got seventy thousand
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: followers on social media. Seventy thousand people are looking at
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: she did have there were some other quite nice pictures
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: on there. I did have a stalk through her social media.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: But there's also a lot of this sort of imagery
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: on there as well, So seventy thousand people are exposed
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: to this sort of hatred. Or when you're walking around Linfield,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: we've sent you on a mission to go and find this.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I'll find it tomorrow.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: Help.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: But even just there to have the picture of the
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Australian flag burning, it's just enough. We need to be
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: proud of our country and what we have achieved, instead
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: of making everyone feel bad and guilty for living here.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And I coined two words last year. I coined thevor
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: for mister Baltus. It happened. One is Australofile, someone who
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: loves Australia, and the opposite Australophobes who hate Australia. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: don't understand australophobes. She's an Australophone, she hates Australia, She's
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: an idiot. Australia is wonderful and the rest of us
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: are all Australo files. We're not on your side.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: But unfortunately she is an idiot. But there are a
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: lot of idiots out there. And the fact that she
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: has seventy thousand Instagram followers, and that this kind of
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: stuff is celebrated with and awarded with grants from our
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: own state governments, I mean, yeah, we need to stop
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: funding our demise.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Indeed, let's turn to a really serious issue, the issue
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of how we keep track of pedophiles in the community
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and how we keep children safe. In Queensland, they've come
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: up with a pedophiles register which is available online and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: since it was launched already one hundred thousand people have
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: gone there to have a look. Some people are saying
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: they're quite happy with the information they can get. Others
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: are saying there's not enough. Now you can get two
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: kinds of information. You can actually get a photograph of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: someone who is a a child offender and who is
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: in your area geographic, but that's all just a photograph.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: You don't get their name, you don't get their address
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: or any background to them. There's a second group called
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: reportable offenders, people who've already violated bail conditions or whatever,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and whose addresses are known, and in their case names
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and addresses and ages and backgrounds are provided. So they're
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the two groups of information you can get. Some people
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: are saying, look, in the case of offenders living in
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: our area, just getting a photograph is not enough, so
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: they're not happy. But other people are saying, it's okay,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: we're getting enough information to feel we can keep our
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: children safer in the streets around our house. What do
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you think, Fray, I.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Think it's a really hard one. I think it's a
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: step in the right direction, and it's better than nothing.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Most states don't have any sort of sex offender register
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: that you can check as a member of the public.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I will say it is hard from a government perspective
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to actually roll one of these out, because the problem
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: is if you give out anything more than someone's photograph.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: There's a principle in the legal system where you can't
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: continue to punish someone once they've served their sentence. So
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: if someone was convicted of a sexual crime against a child,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: two decades ago. They've served their time, they've done the
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: right thing. Now they've supposedly rehabilitated. From a personal perspective,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: of course, I would want to know their name, their address,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: will they be anywhere near my children? But I do
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: understand legally that is complicated because technically they've served their time,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: so maybe it's something where going forward for future criminal prosecutions.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: One of the I guess long term punishments should be
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you're permanently listed publicly on one of these sex offender
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: registered names.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: Should be included on that.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: So if you have the picture up there, I don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: expect someone's address to be posted on something like this.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: I think that would be very wrong because you could
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: expect someone probably come knocking on their door, which is
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: part of the punishments. If you are to do that,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: you can face ten years in prison if you harass
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: anyone that's on this list.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: One thing that I actually did think.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Was slightly slightly concerning about this register. If you forward
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: the picture so to be able to go on access that,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: you need to provide your Queenslane driver's license or just
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: proof that you live in the state and one hundred
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: and five thousand people did it within four.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: Days, but then you can't.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: So if you saw a picture of someone and you think,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: oh my gosh, that's such and such as neighbor, you
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: can't then forward that image on or you face three
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: years in jail. So you would then have to potentially
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: message someone say, hey, you need to go register, have
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: a look online.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: There's something you might want to see. You can't actually
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: forward the imagery.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: So I thought, you know, just in today's culture, you
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: would want to straight away without thinking you would forward
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: the picture.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: That tell people to be careful.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: So I think that's some of the concerns that people
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: are saying, is that if you do want to genuinely
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: protect children, then you should at least be able to
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: forward it to your network if it is someone that
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: happens to be living nearby or you're coming in contact
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: with them. I do also think that their name should
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: be included. Of course, you can go and change your
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: name at some point anyway, and their pictures as well.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: They probably don't look anything like their picture either, but
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: I think it just would add that extra level of
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: people feeling as though they're getting the information that they
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: want to see. I don't expect an address, but I
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: think a photo as well as a name would have
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: probably helped with these people having to.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: Look, now, here's one Bali.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: They're cracking down on who can come into their country.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: So what they have said for those who are looking
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: to head over there soon, they want to have a
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: bit more of high quality travelers coming in. As a
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: way to do this, they are going to potentially be
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: looking at the bank activity, whether it's bank statements and
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: bank balances over the three months before their arrival into Bali.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: This was just to make sure that it's a type
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: of caliber.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: The reason why I thought that this was quite comical
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: was because they just had the incident with Bonnie Blue,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: who went in there and she's a multi millionaire also
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: an only fans content creator. But based on this lot
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: of she's got lots of money, so she classified as
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: high quality. I mean she was put in prison while
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: she was over there and eventually kicked out of the country.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: But based on these sort of leeway if you want
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: to go, oh, well, you're very rich and you come.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I just don't get why they would want to be
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: targeting their core customer market. I mean, going to Bali
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: as a broke twenty one year old. It's kind of
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: a right of passage. That is why you go to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Bali as a young person. You don't need a lot
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: of money, go have fun.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: It's great.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Really, I mean, come on, Bali, don't bite the hand
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: that feeds you. They may not have a lot of money,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: but there are a lot of broke backpackers that go there,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm not sure how the local businesses would feel
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: if suddenly all of their customers were deemed not good
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: enough to enter Bali.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And I have a message for the authorities in Bali
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: who are wanting quality tourists. I'm sorry, I'm not coming.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Oh you're not a fan of ballein care No, No.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: That's for people in shorts and thongs. I'm going to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: go back to Europe to look at castles and cathedrals.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: You know what.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: They want me to go and have a cheap beach holiday.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sure you have very nice people in Bali,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm not coming.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Look you are.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: When you said you were from Lynnfield, I thought, okay,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: probably not holidaying in Bali whole. But you fulfilled the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: stereotype and that's all that matters.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Well, let's move on.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Someone else who is actually breaking stereotypes is this personal trainer.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: She is a fat personal trainer, as she calls herself,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: and part of her business model is being plus sized
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: and not the conventional Jim body. A Jim influencer who
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: himself is very fit, hired her for an hour. She
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: costs sixty bucks Australian for the hour. Pretty pretty, that's cheap.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: That still sounds pretty expensive, and he actually asked her,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: what do you say to the people the question and
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: how you could have a fat personal trainer?
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: What's your response to people saying that you shouldn't be
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: a personal trainer? Honestly, my response is the fact that
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: they think that health and fitness is based entirely on weight,
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: which is what they're judging me on. For me, health
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: and fitness is not just about weight. It's everything from
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: your mental health to your cardiovascular health. Anybody can be
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: a personal trainer if they train and they qualify, and
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: they get insurance and they get a job and they
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: can get clients.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, now, one of the top comments on this
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: video said this is like taking financial advice from someone
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: who lives in a tent, which might be a bit harsh,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: but Jamie look, I think, if you can't sort yourself out,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: how are you going to sort me out?
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: You know, I come from this from a different perspective.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: I personally always like to have a personal trainer that's
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: very fit, that you want to aspire to look like,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: and you know that you're going to get a really
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: strong workout. But fun fact, I worked in a gym
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: when I was at UNI, and one of the ques.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: When people would come in the door, especially as someone
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: who was anxious about joining a gym or overweight themselves
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: and trying to get onto a fitness program, they would
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: often see our trainers, who are all very good looking,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: very fit, and would find it really intimidating, and so
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: they often wouldn't go ahead with a service and would
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: often leave and not come back. So I think that
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: this woman has got a huge market for her, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: go for it. If she's getting clients, and good luck
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: to her. I think she's got a good market there.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I wonder about this. I mean, she said, being being
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: fit and healthy it's not all about weight. Well, actually,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: weight's got quite a lot to do with it. They
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: talk about all the things that weight does to your
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: body that are really bad for you. So I'm I'm
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: not persuaded by Helen. I would never have a personal
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: trainer because I wouldn't be bothered with But I did
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: have a lot of physio this year because I had
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: a total lee replacement TKR. But there's a whole club
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of us with tkrs around Australia, and so I spent
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and weeks from physios who are fabulous.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: But they're young, and they're fit, and they're healthy and
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: they're active, and I've got confidence in them for that reason.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: If she had just pitched this as there's a group
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: of people out there that are anxious to go to
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: the gym, they want to work out with someone who
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: looks like them so they don't feel as intimidated, I
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: would say, go for it. That's your business model. If
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: you can make money like that, that's wonderful. But she's cheap, Well,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I wonder why. But when you cross that line and say, actually,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: this is also just as healthy as being very physically fit,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I mean that's just objectively not true.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, But I'm not going to call her fatty because
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I think the way she's trained, I would get a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: whack on the draw that would kill me.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: But she's training for the strongman competitions, isn't she. I
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: believe she's also in.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: The Actually the weightlifters of the Olympics are often a
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: bit chubby. They're often very solid, aren't they.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, we think again, Well it might have something
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: to do with what they're eating, because the food pyramids
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: has been flipped upside down. Of course, we all have
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: heard of RFK who's taken over as the Health Secretary,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and one of the crusades he has been on is
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: to overhaul the United States food pyramid. It first came
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: out and I believe the sixties, under heavy lobbying from
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the grain industry, and really what it's said was the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: majority of your diet should come from carbohydrates, grains, all
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: of that stuff your body then basically just processes as
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: sugar and so you get massive insulin spikes. He's now
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: literally inverted it and said most of your diets should
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: come from meat and vegetables and grains and carbs should
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: be a very small part. Kel are you going to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: be following the new food pyramid?
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's new. I actually think there's been
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: a number of popular diets around for a while. They've
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: been a high protein low carb and protein low carb
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: diets have worked. I'm not sure it's a massive breakthrough.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: He's got some ideas which will be odd. For example,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: he doesn't like seed oils. I've got no idea what's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: wrong with seed oils. But seed oils are apparently terribly evil.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: And he wants you to have butter or beef tallow institut.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's less process. It's good for you.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Americans are not naturally good at this. We were traveling
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: in one of the southern states in America where everything
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: was defried. They bought it. Someone wanted to meat pie.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: The body had to eat pie, put it in one
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of those wire baskets and lowered. Now, now I suppose
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: he'd say, as long as it's not seed oil, it's okay.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Well, he has declared a war on added sugar, and
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: I think they need to be doing something. I love
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: the slogan make America Healthy again, to stick with that
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: MAGA tagline. But when you look at the statistics, more
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: than two in five adults in the US robs and
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: it's one and eleven are severely obese, which is nearly
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: seventy five percent of the US adult population is overweight,
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: so they do need to do something differently, and if
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: this is the way to go about it. To your point, Kel,
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: it's nothing that's overly new, but I guess it's just
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: using that tagline.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: It's the war on added sugar and all of those
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: processed sugars, which we have our own.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Here. We have the thing which is the five food groups,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and you should have a lot of this, and a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: lot of this and less of this. And I must
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: say that the collagie I used to work with the
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Black Game, Clive Robertson said the five food groups cal
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: are packaged, tinned, frozen, instant an uber delivered.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: But I think ours also needs an overhaul. Ours is
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: majority well. Carbs and vegetables are the main food groups
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that wants you to eat, which I'm okay with some veggies,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: but that's way too many carves.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: It's the complete opposite almost with what the American and.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I hear the high protein, low carb diets have actually
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: got a record of working.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, ours is also very complicated. I think the pyramid
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: is way better than there.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Of course, it is much better exactly get.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Your act together if you're doing this sort of stuff
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: for Australia, come on, gets your act together and make
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: make a bit more sense.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And it's not just food pyramids that are changing rapidly,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: so are fashion trends. Young people and this is my generation,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I guess I will them are always on to the
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: next trend, and this time it is dental gems. So
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: these are little sparkly gems or pieces of gold that
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: you can get stuck on to your tooth. And they
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: are doing pop upstools at music festivals and kids are
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: in the spur of the moment getting gems like that
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: that you can see on your screen stuck onto their
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: teeth for I think about three to twelve months.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Jamie, of all the things you could do.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I've seen people with these in real life, and oftentimes it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Just looks like you've got something stuck in your teeth.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: It does, I do think though, when you are at
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: a music festival, you're caught in the moment everyone else
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: is doing it. I can see why they are lining
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: up to get a gem stuck on their tooth. I've
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: always would have sessed with my teeth, and when I
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: read this article, I thought, oh, I'd probably would be
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: someone that would be sucking into that when you're at
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: a music festival. But the gems are stuck on with
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: the same glue as watch the braces are. But in
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: this article it did say that dentists were saying to people,
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: please don't use pliers to remove these gems off your teeth.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: They do they do any drilling to make a little
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: hole so the gem would fit in.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: Or just stuck on, so they should just fall off, right,
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: so you know, you might be asleep and you wake
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: up the next Yeah, it's just a gem.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I can't think of a single intelligent reason for doing this.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: But then on behalf of all the baby boomers, we
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: just think this is so silly.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Good Kel, Look, I am a gen z and I
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: also think it is absolutely ridiculous and there are way
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: better things to spend your three hundred dollars on. Guys,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: But we're going to go to a break now. Coming
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: up after the break divers off the coast of West Australia.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Our name is Sterious Safe at the bottom of the ocean.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: They dragged it up, cracked it open and you'll never
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: believe what they found inside. Welcome back, Kel, What did
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: the divers find at the bottom on the ocean floor
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: in West Australia.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Well, it happened at Shark Bay, which is about eight
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty kilometers north of Perth. A man was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: diving there with his thirteen year old daughter and on
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean floor they found a safe.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: It's a small safe, the sort of thing you see
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: in a hotel room, that kind of thing, and it
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: was just lying there. So they went to the trouble.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: It cut a bit easy because they're heavy to get
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: it back up to their boat, took it ashore, went
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: to a mate, had an angle grinder and cut the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: back out of the thing. And what did they find? Inside?
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Bars of gold, diamonds, precious gems. No, they found a
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: packet of beef jerky.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: That was expired.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: It was very bad expired. Unfortunately, it was very special
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: beef jerky. It had chili and on the front of
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: the packet it said it's the hottest beef jerky in
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the world. Is that why I was locked up?
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Do you know why I love that story?
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Is I just think someone is messing with the future.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Like they put beef jerky into a safe and thought
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: how funny will this be someone or thing that they.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Have struck gold?
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll open up and.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: It's going to be four year expired beef jerky. So
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: this is another really wonderful it's just a nice, lighthearted,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: funny story where some sheep decided to go and visit
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: a supermarket. They were fifty sheep thought that they were
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: following a woman who they think had snacks in her
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: bag and a whole right there they are all going
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: into this supermarket. They had customers that were jumping onto
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: the conveyor belt to get out of the way. This
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: supermarket has then since announced it's going to provide the
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: sheep with a year's worth of free food because this
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: stampede has turned out to be excellent publicity for the supermarket.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: And then all of these sheep at the end all
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: left in a single file quite neatly walking out of
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: the supermarket then back to where they belong. So I
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: thought that's a really funny story, just some bug and old.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A long time ago, Ben Jeff Patterson wrote a wonderful,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: very funny article about how stupid sheap are. Maybe they're not,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's just a nice you test. The sheep passed.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Look They may be stupid, but they're pretty pretty you.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: So that's it from us this evening. Thanks so much,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: have a great night.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: M m hmm.