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Ep. 152: The Nipple And The Funnel · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is a meat eater podcast coming at you. Shirtless,
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  Speaker 1: severely bug bitten in my case underwear listening to podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You can't predict anything. Okay, I'll tell these guys about
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  Speaker 1: our little meat shop, our meat shop we had going
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  Speaker 1: last night. UM, pretty excited about this is? Um? Actually,
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  Speaker 1: are you journaling right now? Yes? I am tell them
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  Speaker 1: about our meat shop. It's new year, Steve, I've got
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  Speaker 1: some new resolutions I'm tackling. Um. So uh, very fortuitous
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  Speaker 1: that John Edwards is here because we went down and
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  Speaker 1: shot a pila honkers and some ducks, and uh, Steve
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  Speaker 1: and I were cleaning our pile of birds and decided
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  Speaker 1: to do some batch cooking or some putting up of
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  Speaker 1: wild game. If we were nice, we would invite it John,
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  Speaker 1: since he took us hunting. I was. I was waiting
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  Speaker 1: for the invite last night. We would invite him over
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  Speaker 1: for our meat project. Yeah, but we're didn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Now here he is, and it's embarrassing you guys. SI
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  Speaker 1: almost did too. What makes a good hunting partner? I made?
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  Speaker 1: We made duck stock last or. I finally canned my
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  Speaker 1: duck stock last night, and I almost brought you a jar,
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  Speaker 1: almost I thought about doing it, and I haven't written
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  Speaker 1: it off yet. I just thought, you actually bring one
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  Speaker 1: of those to John. I was sitting there by myself
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  Speaker 1: by the fire, plucking birds. It had been nice to
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  Speaker 1: see you. The reality. We didn't come to the conclusion
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  Speaker 1: until well into the cleaning process. It was still like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna clean my birds, you clean your birds. And
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  Speaker 1: at one point we had three kids crawling on the
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  Speaker 1: counter plucking individual feathers out of birds, help wanting to
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  Speaker 1: be the one that gets to cut something. Yes, give
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  Speaker 1: me the knife and uh but yeah, So we decided
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  Speaker 1: that we're gonna do a group kind of pickling of
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  Speaker 1: giblets uh cone fee uh of the thighs and legs,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm super excited about because I've never actually done
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  Speaker 1: the best thing on the planet. Go on and I'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about that for um. Yeah, we needed to find
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  Speaker 1: that one because I was still the definition for me
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  Speaker 1: still wasn't until you walked me through it and then, um,
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  Speaker 1: we are making pastrami out of the brass, curing the brass.
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  Speaker 1: So it is a charcuterie. It wasn't a meat shop.
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  Speaker 1: It was a charcouter shop because the calling fee falls
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  Speaker 1: under charcouter charcouter. It does. It has to because it's
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  Speaker 1: a pressuation. Let me. I don't know if this is true,
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  Speaker 1: but I've heard this as being true, that are you
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  Speaker 1: free with fare graw. It's a food that I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of uncomfortable with because not because of the end product,
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  Speaker 1: but because of how the process of ros produced. Fare
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  Speaker 1: Ra is. Basically it really tasty diseased liver out of
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  Speaker 1: a duck. And what they do is they to produce it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: they will put a funnel into a duck's mouth and
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  Speaker 1: force feed it. Well, here's where it gets tricky. One
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  Speaker 1: might look and say, um, that their force feed the
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  Speaker 1: duck all this grain way more than whatever eat naturally,
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  Speaker 1: and upon force feeding it causes it develop to develop
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  Speaker 1: a very large, fatty liver, and that is fi raw.
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  Speaker 1: This practice is illegal in some places. Pro pro fui
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  Speaker 1: raw people will say, you know what bro those ducks
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  Speaker 1: line up for, Like when you pull that funnel out,
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  Speaker 1: it's like getting the dog, It's like filling the dog's bowl.
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  Speaker 1: They come a running, or so I've heard. Like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a subject matter expert on FOI raw production, but
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  Speaker 1: that's what it is. Someone like, so if you get
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  Speaker 1: a wild duck. Someone told me once and again. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that this is true, but I like I
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  Speaker 1: like this because there's a tidiness to this that if
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  Speaker 1: you when you butcher fig raw duck, that duck has
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  Speaker 1: so much body fat that you can harvest the liver,
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  Speaker 1: and that one particular duck would have produced enough fat
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  Speaker 1: two confee its own thighs and legs. You've done, You've tortured. No,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't even force feed him. We fed him
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  Speaker 1: a lot of chicks, I know, because they were they
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  Speaker 1: were eating all the chicken food, and so eventually these
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  Speaker 1: are the ducks that tried to also molest the chickens. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeahs flog ra where you don't force feed him, but
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  Speaker 1: just feed him a lot, right, you know what. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even think to look at the livers, but I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you that when I cooked them, why not
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  Speaker 1: just your thrifty dude. I don't know, but I might
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  Speaker 1: even have been the one that got it him. My
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  Speaker 1: wife might have got it him, and I thought about it. Anyways.
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  Speaker 1: My point is is that when I cooked him, we
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  Speaker 1: try to roast him. And I even read about this
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  Speaker 1: when I was gonna roast these ducks. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people said farm raised ducks. Man, you gotta be careful.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much fat. You'll literally end up like you
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  Speaker 1: won't be able to roast it because it'll just kind
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  Speaker 1: of baste itself and boil itself in its own fat.
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  Speaker 1: And there's so much. Yeah, it sounds good, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of what happened. But after we ate the duck, I
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  Speaker 1: realized that between what I had in the pan and
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  Speaker 1: it was still like a hatch to the skin, there
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  Speaker 1: was so much fat. Like, I gotta do something with this.
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  Speaker 1: So then I took all that and rendered it and
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  Speaker 1: I think out of two ducks, ended up with three pints. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and it's some good ship. Let me tell you, that's
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  Speaker 1: very very yeah, little plenty. I mean that would be
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  Speaker 1: three three cops of fat I think would be. And
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  Speaker 1: this involved no funneling at all. Funnel. I'm against the funnel.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this, listen, man, the funnel is the
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  Speaker 1: minute they start feeding something and involves a funnel, it's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Any time you're jam in a funnel anything or anyone's orifice,
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  Speaker 1: this is you're the ice funnel to change your oil. Maybe, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure, because I do have to get a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of beer in your system very quickly. That's also
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  Speaker 1: that you again, that's that's the opposite of your livery
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  Speaker 1: sim larities between a a nipple. Can you hold that thought?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead? Okay, you're feeding calves, your bottle
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  Speaker 1: feeding calves, your bottle feeding lambs. They line up for
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  Speaker 1: the nipple. And there's how much of a difference is
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  Speaker 1: there between the funnel and a nipple implies funnelntary act
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  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about in your own experience. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: pro nipple, anti funnel. I think we start the anti
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  Speaker 1: anti funnel. Fuck raw dude, you're here's the thing man,
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna get in over your waiters. This is a
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  Speaker 1: complicated world, like they there's a thing like Hudson Valley.
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  Speaker 1: There's a place you know what. This is such a
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  Speaker 1: This is not a well managed conversation. I need to
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  Speaker 1: back it up. First off, Ben O'Brien Hunting Collective is here,
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  Speaker 1: the beautiful, lovely Ryan callahan um is here, and John
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  Speaker 1: Edwards and of course the lab being Eagle. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: can this is not a well managed conversation. And there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of parts floating around right now, So give
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  Speaker 1: me a second. Confy is basically it's like you're you're
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  Speaker 1: you're simmering meat in fat. It's an old timey thing
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  Speaker 1: because what it does is you you simmer it for
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  Speaker 1: many You take meat and simmer it for many many
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  Speaker 1: hours in fat and render and rendered fat so it's
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  Speaker 1: clean fat. There's not water in it, and chunks of
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  Speaker 1: meat and whatnot in there, and not blood, just pure fat.
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  Speaker 1: You render it in it and then when you store it,
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  Speaker 1: you store it where it's the meat. The cooked meat
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  Speaker 1: is submerged under fat, and it's an anaerobic environment. People
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  Speaker 1: to even to make it extra anaerobic environment, will often
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  Speaker 1: store and then pour in a quarter inch of oil
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  Speaker 1: on top of it so that it's encased in fat.
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  Speaker 1: It's cured cooked meat, encased and fat. And the old
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  Speaker 1: time eat as you would take your pork confie or
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  Speaker 1: duct or whatever and you go down and put in
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  Speaker 1: the root seller where it's kind of cool. And it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a non refrigeration storage technique. And like many
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  Speaker 1: of these techniques that came out of something practical, like smoking,
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  Speaker 1: right Like smoking was invented because it would you could
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  Speaker 1: put meat and put smoke on it and dry it out.
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  Speaker 1: The smoke keeps insects away while it's volatile. Right, Salting
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  Speaker 1: meat was the preservation technique. Over time, we don't need
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  Speaker 1: to do it anymore because we have fridges now and
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  Speaker 1: freezers and ship like that. But we do it. Affected
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  Speaker 1: our tastes and we now like smoke, so now you
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  Speaker 1: need by smoking a bottle, which some guys think is
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  Speaker 1: a real sin liquid smoke, But it's like smoking was
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  Speaker 1: a thing that came out of a practical consideration and
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  Speaker 1: entered into it became like a culinary tradition. Colin Fee
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  Speaker 1: still tastes great. U to make duct confeete. What you
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  Speaker 1: do is you you here, You're just you're basically crying
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  Speaker 1: the legs for a couple of days in just putting
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  Speaker 1: salt on him and good stuff to eat on there.
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  Speaker 1: You can do it with citrus peels, garlic, uh um
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  Speaker 1: bay leaves. Some people put some pink salt down there
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  Speaker 1: to help the color, to keep give it a nice color.
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  Speaker 1: You cure the meat for a couple of days, and
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  Speaker 1: then you simmer it. You're supposed to simmer it in
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  Speaker 1: duck fat, But duck fat to a guy to a
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  Speaker 1: wild game man, duck fat is a pain in the ass. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: that's why. And trying to now that I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: like pick up the scraps here of our conversation. That's
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  Speaker 1: why we were bringing up the old thing like that,
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  Speaker 1: you that you have a big, fatty domestic duck will
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  Speaker 1: make enough fat too do his legs. When we've collected
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  Speaker 1: fat out of mallards and collected fat out of Canada geese,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it takes ten or twenty of the
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  Speaker 1: things to get enough fat to do even a small
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  Speaker 1: batch of corn feat. So what we started doing earlier,
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  Speaker 1: I would collect my own ductor goose fat and rent
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  Speaker 1: to it, and then go online and buy duck fat
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  Speaker 1: for like astronomical amounts of money for little teeny tubs
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  Speaker 1: of duck fat. Quit doing that would supplement with large
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  Speaker 1: and now I just do it with large and any
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  Speaker 1: fat I happen to have laying around. How's that well done?
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  Speaker 1: We caught up? Is that kind of pulling it together? Yes? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: But why not just farm raised some ducks and make
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  Speaker 1: your own duck fat. I'm not a farmer, come hunter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Well that's a that's a valid response. You read the
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  Speaker 1: old testament Jacob and Esau. I'm say I know that
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  Speaker 1: raising the ducks. Who gets to be Jesus? I'm not
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  Speaker 1: that easy there, so making the calling feet And what
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  Speaker 1: we'll do is I will absolutely share that with you.
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  Speaker 1: You store it in the fat, and then what you
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  Speaker 1: do is you just reach in there and dig out
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of that goodness. It's all in case
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  Speaker 1: and fat, and you can put it under a broiler
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  Speaker 1: and crisp it up. Or you can pick the meat
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  Speaker 1: because you cook it for so long in the fat,
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  Speaker 1: like a eighty degrees. You put a candy thermometer there
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  Speaker 1: and cook it for five or six hours degrees and
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  Speaker 1: it's but it's nothing like if you were boiling it
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  Speaker 1: in water. I mean you're boiling it in fat. You
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  Speaker 1: can pick it and it shreds, and you put it
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  Speaker 1: under a broiler and it turns beautifully crispy, and then
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  Speaker 1: you make a salad and put that in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the salad. Telling you what's on. People that don't
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  Speaker 1: like geese, I think geese don't taste good. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: had this. So did you, guys? Uh, pluck all your geese?
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  Speaker 1: Plug some of them, plug some of them. Um, you ate.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard. Got a rosecose for Christmas? Right, Yeah? But
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  Speaker 1: that was my brother's shot that he brought that out.
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  Speaker 1: He gave me that goose for Christmas, which is like
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  Speaker 1: where it's like giving a guy it a coal mine
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  Speaker 1: or coal for Christmas, because like, you know, I got
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  Speaker 1: you for Christmas, this goose. You don't say I got
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of those that I was just messing with
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  Speaker 1: my freezing. You hit this on the highway and drive
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  Speaker 1: over it. No so here. But I saved that fat
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  Speaker 1: because that goose I roasted in a pellet grill, a
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  Speaker 1: Christmas goose, you know, Christmas Carol. Yeah, Charles, biggest goose
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  Speaker 1: in all of London. Bob Cratchett, he's trying to he
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  Speaker 1: want he buys a Christmas goose. We rollsted that goose
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  Speaker 1: in a pellet grill. But I was worried about all
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  Speaker 1: that fat. Caused me all kinds of trouble, so I
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  Speaker 1: put it on a rack over roasting pan. That thing
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  Speaker 1: had a ton of fat, and I poured that fat
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  Speaker 1: off and saved that fat in my fridge. And then
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  Speaker 1: we were also a pellet grilled two whole mallard skin
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  Speaker 1: on which put off more fat than the goose even
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  Speaker 1: and saved all that and I got that in my
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  Speaker 1: fridge right now. So where we're at on the con
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  Speaker 1: fee process, we're basically we did the prep and step
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  Speaker 1: one so uh, I had never done this. I thought
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  Speaker 1: we were immediately going to start simmer and stuff and fat.
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  Speaker 1: But you do a salt cure, a dry dry brian
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  Speaker 1: um a couple of days, a couple of days, and
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  Speaker 1: then do you rinse that, rint all that off and
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  Speaker 1: then uh, then it goes into the fat. Then rinse
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  Speaker 1: that all off, dry it, pad it dry, then put
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  Speaker 1: in the fat, and then five or six hours degrees
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  Speaker 1: and then you uh pick the meat out because you'll
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  Speaker 1: have some settling in the bottom. There'll be some function
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  Speaker 1: in the bottom of the pot. Pick the meat out,
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  Speaker 1: put it all nicely, nice into your container. In the
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  Speaker 1: olden times, one would store it in a croc uh,
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  Speaker 1: which I've kind of fallen out of favorite crocks. You'd
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  Speaker 1: store to seram a croc. I put mine in a
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  Speaker 1: glass jar with the fat, or just pick it out
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  Speaker 1: because there's the funcation in the bottom that you don't want.
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  Speaker 1: But in old time, in old times, you kept in
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  Speaker 1: the fat. Right, I'm not done yet. Pick the meat
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  Speaker 1: out and lay the meat all nicey NICs in your receptacle.
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  Speaker 1: Then you take the still liquid fat and pour it
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  Speaker 1: over while keeping one eye. Do you strain it? Just
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  Speaker 1: put a strain around there? No, you could, no, because
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  Speaker 1: all the funcation goes to the bottom, all right, the
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  Speaker 1: function is at the bottom. So you get your again,
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  Speaker 1: get your meat, all it all nicey nice, and then
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  Speaker 1: you pour the nice, pure clean fat on it. Watching
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  Speaker 1: to not get when you get down to the water
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot that came out of the meat is in
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  Speaker 1: the bottom, and make sure not that to get that
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  Speaker 1: in your container. If you strain it, that that any
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  Speaker 1: liquid it's in there is going to go that way. Anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Does oil float or sink? Oil must float? Oil does
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  Speaker 1: float because that's how they they've spray that crap that
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  Speaker 1: that makes oil settle when there's the oil spill, when
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  Speaker 1: there's an oil spilling. So that's how you make it.
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  Speaker 1: Then you let it sit in your fridge for a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, it said your recipe card said a month,
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  Speaker 1: three months in the freezer. I've kept it in yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and the freezer thing three months. That's my body, who's
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: a chef, so he's always careful about that kind of
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  Speaker 1: stuff when I put them in the freezer, unless it's fish.
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  Speaker 1: I think of it as being like good in perpetuity,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes in the next two years. But no, he's real
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  Speaker 1: because he's he's got a he's a professional chef. Matt
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  Speaker 1: Winegard I just read on Food Republic website six months fridge.
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  Speaker 1: I've left it in a long time. But again, like
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  Speaker 1: you'll tend to have chef guys being you know, they're
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  Speaker 1: always like throwing out their spices after three months because
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  Speaker 1: they don't have quite the nice smell they want to.
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  Speaker 1: It's just different being a home cook and being a
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  Speaker 1: professional chef. Can you do goose comfy? Yes, that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're making is goose confy, which is better ducker goose duck.
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  Speaker 1: I like the size of a better. Nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 1: the goose, but the size of it's nice because then
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  Speaker 1: you can put in a wide mouth mason jar. It's
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  Speaker 1: hard to fish gooses leg I have a wide mouth
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  Speaker 1: mason jar. But we're doing with Canada's what about the pastronomy?
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  Speaker 1: Being ready to tackle that one? Talk about that, cal
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  Speaker 1: how'd you wind up with your special pastronomy here? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: buddy of mine that I met, uh you know that conference,
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  Speaker 1: said you and I went two down to Jackson Hole. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: hard to forget. Yeah, alost some fists almost punches throwing
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  Speaker 1: at shift. Uh well, a great uh connection um that
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  Speaker 1: I made down there was Um, there was a guy
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  Speaker 1: who had a bunch of he I think he had
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  Speaker 1: like buffalo Ruben sandwiches or something at the at the
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  Speaker 1: the dinner night the night that you spoke, um in
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  Speaker 1: his place called Sweet Cheeks Meats. It's a butcher shop
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  Speaker 1: down there in Jackson. And Um, this guy's name is Nick,
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  Speaker 1: and it's him and his wife and they you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, man, I got nothing wrong with hunting.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, but why would I ever hunt? Everybody just
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  Speaker 1: brings me meat? And uh so I swung into a shot,
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  Speaker 1: give a get a job. Every just brings me money. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd totally understand that. And uh and so I went
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  Speaker 1: in there and picked his brain the next morning on
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: my way out of town. And and we've just been
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: kind of standing in touch and and it became email buddies,
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  Speaker 1: is what you're trying to say? Yeah, pretty much yep. Um,
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  Speaker 1: But you know, it's great having a butcher as a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: resource and chatting about different cuts and and things, and
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  Speaker 1: they eat. They're like a whole animal butcher shop. So
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  Speaker 1: they're putting up tons of bone stock and they're they're
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  Speaker 1: using everything and whatever. They're not selling uh two people.
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  Speaker 1: They're selling to people as dog food. Ye uh and
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  Speaker 1: it's a cool operation. But anyway, Um, he gave me
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  Speaker 1: some duck pastrami one day and I thought that that
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  Speaker 1: cure that he used was really good. And the last
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: time I went through, he's like, hey, some of this
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  Speaker 1: tailored the waterfowl. It is, but it's domestic waterfowl, right.
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  Speaker 1: I was aiming to use the goose pastrami recipe that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: can be found in the Mediator Fishing Game cookbook, available
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: now every where books are sold. Um, but we diverted
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: from that plan to use your body stuff. Yeah, and uh,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: we're probably short a couple of key items in there
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: in the recipe. But to judging from what we ran
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: into last night, I too so in the Ronella family
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: spice cabinet. So we're making it Slap your mama. No,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I know that's a hot I mentioned that last night, though,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: did you it's hot sauce? It is it's good first
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: headed on steelhead. I think it's a good spice for steelhead.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Oh it's a dry spice. Yeah, slap your mama. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: think it started out as a hot sauce, right, I don't.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. The way I've had it
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: was a dry rub and you liked it. Yeah, it
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: was really good. Um, are you do you like us less?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Because we had this meat party and you weren't there.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed. Yeah, when we share some of
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: it with you, you'll feel better. You know, when a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: guy stays up all night and drives all the way
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: to Dylan, you know it's no love. Dude. I'm still
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: really guilty about it. Watch this transition. Um, you know
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: all that STROMI what state was that made in? Again?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That mix? Ye? Wyoming? Did you guys you're about the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: guy in Wyoming that uh in September hunting the wind
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: River Range, hunting Elk. I feel like you guys really
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: know about this. We talked about this. You might not
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: know about this. He's hunting Elk. I just read about
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: this yesterday and finds a bull pinned under two trees
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that fell over no way, pinned by his right his
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: right beam is under two, he said, roughly ten inches
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: in diameter, five ft long, pinned down, been kicking all night.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It looks like he's dug out a trough where his
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: feet lay. He said. There's dirt scattered up to like
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: twenty yards away, and he's like, at this point so tired,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: he's not really reacting to the dude standing there. He
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: gets out the twenty yards when he realized that it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: was it two bulls fighting and got wedged or did it?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: He postulated a theory in there that perhaps they were
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: mixing it up. A couple of bulls. Scrap happen. What
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: are the odds You're just cruising through the forest and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you have people get killed by but think about people
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: get killed by fallen limbs. Man, dude, I know you like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: we'll ride into clear trail in you know, August or July,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and it's unreal how many trees are freaking on the trail.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I mean they come down. Yeah, I've been I can't
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: even tell you how many times I've been out in
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the woods. Right and you here, you know where you
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: by yourself? Did it really happen if a tree falls
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: in the forest, if you're by yourself in a tree.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Falls didn't really happen, I think so. I think it
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: made a loud racket too. So if there's an elk
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: under the tree, yeah, it's just like, it's just it's
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: one of those weird things that has to happen. But
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to be out elk hunting and the guy passed up
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a bull that day, yeah, it's just bizarre. Man to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: go down and find a bowl alive pinned under your tree. Crazy,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: He says. His initial feeling was to cut it loose,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: but he end up sticking arrow into it. But he
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't able to cut it loose. He tried to move
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the tree, it said. He tried, like didn't have a chainsaw,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, you know the problem is, and the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: problem is you never right because because one might be
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I could picture a scenario in which one later and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not accusing anyone of this at all, I could
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: picture a scenario in which one might later Um Taylor
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the story, I don't know, I don't know you're you're
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: saying it would be okay, I don't know that it
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: would be that I tried my damnedest, you know, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and unable to find a way. I was at my
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: wits end. I was resorted with my only last resort
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: would be to shoot shot humane thing, to do the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: only thing. I Oh, I don't know the feller. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just picturing me. Um. Let's say I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: was stumbling through the woods and there's a live bull
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: laying under a couple of trees. Yeah, I don't know.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like I might. I probably. I feel like
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I would have tagged it. Yeah. Yeah, it depends on
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, I would have tagged it.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I would have taken some pictures. I probably would have
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: gone live on Instagram. Hey, guys like yeah, and uh,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like people there's probably a lot of people.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Brody said this to me, and he's like, I bet
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you people would be a little bit up in arms
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: about this. I don't know that they will. I got
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of Me and Yanni did a podcast where
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: we talked about we would take a tree stand if
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it was left in the woods, and and people were like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I thought you had morals. I'm like, if it was
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: left in it was in public ground where it wasn't
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: supposed to be there. It's trash picking up trash. This
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: is kind of the similar thing. It's like, on its face,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it seems like something you may not want to do,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: but when you look at it from a practical level,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you should do it. Here's one for you. What do
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to do if you come across in bow season a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: dead bull and that's recently expired, that just had my
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: buddy Greg Blaskovic, And let's say it's a really nice
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: bull that's happened to him. How nice just happened. Let's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: say we survey that bow hunting public. What what did
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: guys do in that situation? Because I gotta story happened
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: two years ago and a traditional archer came across. Oh yeah,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you told me the story that the meat wasn't the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: meat was gone. The meat was gone, but it's a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: really nice bull. Real quick. I know a fella that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just found a fresh dead bull. And he did, Yeah,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he had just been shot. He did his damnedest to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: find the hunter. First, he sat there and waited and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: waited and waited, expecting some guy to come down along
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the blood trail. No one shows up. He went going
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and asking all around the people camped skinned it, butchered it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Still kept looking for the owner. Yeah, he wanted with
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the bull which you would hope most everybody would do.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: But how many guys would really do that, donal you know?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: You know, it it would definitely depend, unfortunately on the size
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of the aislers. Well, that's what's so interesting about the story.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I told Steve is this was a turned out to
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: be a you know, three ninety bull on public land
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and yeah for you, for you gentle listeners out there,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that's a giant elk Yeah, bull of a lifetime. And
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: so so it was very cool. What the guy did.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: He uh, he went online and made a post that
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: didn't reveal where it was, just sort of in Montana. Hey,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: if you've shot a bull failed to recover it in Montana,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you know, if you contact me and let me know
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: where it was and what the fletching on your arrow was,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I might have found your bull. Might have if I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: like you enough, if you seem like a nice enough
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: feller on Like, there's a version of events in which
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I found that there's a possibility. So sure sure enough
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that the that the archer contacted him and and he
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: gave him a pin and he recovered his head and horns.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Comic cool story. That's amazing that it's amazing that's the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: right thing to do. But he did not pack the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: head and horns out. Correct, he didn't. He didn't touch it.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: He just pinned it and where it was. And the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: guy came back from out of state long way and uh,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it had snowed two feet in the intervening weeks and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: hiked in their long wise and recovered it. Here's what
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like I would have done. I feel like
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I would have found that and and probably would not
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: have done all that, and the perfect me would have
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: but I don't even know that it would have really
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: occurred to me like that. I would have been huh
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and cool find yeah, And I would have taken the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: head and hung it up in a tree somewhere. So
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: something didn't, you know, drag it off and busted skull
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: all up trying to get the brain out of it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Um hung it up in a tree somewhere with a
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: with a thinking that at some point in time I'd
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: go back in there, once they had a little time
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to clean up from birds and whatnot. I'd go up
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: there and bring it home and throw it out in
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the yard. Because what are the chances that you post
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: online wherever you post, and the person that actually shot
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: this thing's gonna see it. It was actually a buddy
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: of his untilso his serendipity that way. But yeah, it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like you got the angel and the devil, you know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and it's like, what do you do? And is it?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Don't even then it would have been like an in there.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been an angel devil. It would have
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: been like it was just like I'm just talking about
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: what what would have gone in my head? It wouldn't
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: have been the push and pull it's been like I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: would have just I would have never even it would
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: never even occur to me to try to find the person,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it's obvious from the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: find that was a fairly recent It was that season.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a carcass and you know the meat
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: was but it was it was obviously it wasn't last year's. No.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I like it noble of him to do it. And
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: here's another one for you. Is it or is it
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: not significant that the guy who did it was a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: traditional archer versus a non traditional arch Come you know
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: what give you that? I'll give you that. Okay, I'm
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: gonna give me that one. That's a bold statement, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the question is it struck me as a real arrogant?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Are you traditional larger? I'm just learning, actually, you know. Initially, yes, okay, yes, okay,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: can yes. I think that this is a bold ass
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: statement and I'm not a traditional larger by any stretch.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I did win a long bowl contest when I was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: a kid, but it was only one of the kids
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in it. I'm into it now, Like Buddy Franklin, he was, yeah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's cool. I picked one up at the at
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: an archery challenge up in Big Sky last year. It
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: felt great. Talked to guys about it, and Buddy frank
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Brokowski who introduced me a guy named Dan Tolki who's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a fantastic bowyer. I guess is what you would say
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: about of the flathead. Anybody know this guy, Dan Tolki,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: fantastic guy. And so yeah, I just I just got
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: along goo on it. It's it's fun. Do you feel
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: more responsible with a long I'm morally sound now. If
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I pick up a quarter on the street, I'll stand
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: there and he's like, normally I wouldn't even call my wife.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I just go out drinking all night. But you know
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: now that I got that long bow her some flowers. Um, no,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: it's a bold statement, but yes, do like if you
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: took a hundred if you took a hundred traditional archers
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and a hundred compound archers and then did a sort
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: of ethics and moral survey, I do feel I just
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that they would score higher.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: You know. I sticking there, Dave. I was thinking about
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: what it is. Why why do I like and hang
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: out with hunters? Okay, I'll say about stair day, Like
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: like if I go to a wedding reception and you're like,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't want to go to this thing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I'll typically by the end of the night I'm talking
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: to some dude likes the hunting fish. I just sniff
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: them out, you know. And I was like, if you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: were in some situation where your house is on fire, okay,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and you're somehow incapacitated and your children need to be rescued,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and the fireman says, listen, because of the circumstances, I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: can't explain right now, only one person can go in
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and do the rescue. We have a guy that hunts
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: all the time and a vegan. Who do you want
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to attempt the rescue. I mean, come on, come on.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So it's like there's a ship of blasphemy and anyone,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: anyone's gonna be like, well, clearly, dude, in there to go.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You've never seen like the weightlifting vegans, you know. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: just think that that's gonna be the guy that's gonna
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: go in there. He's gonna go in there with a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: lot of girl and just get the kids and come
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: out quick. Let me get my long bow. And other side,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: whether I want to go in so and that, I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: just want the record to be clear that it was
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a question and I'm not siding with the traditional archers
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: over the compound archers or anything like that. One could
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: also point out that a traditional archer might like to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: do what's that word moral signaling. He might like to
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: he might be a virtue signaler. And what greater way
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to virtue signal than to go on to a forum
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and be like, boy, did I find the bowl of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a lifetime laying out in the woods but not gonna
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: touch it? Exactly? Signed Pope and young lifetime member, And
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: he like, dude, I just saw a post of a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: traditional archer with a grip and grand photo he shot
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a vole like like a mouse with traditional archery gere,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: so he would score low and he would lower the mean,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: he would lower the mean ethics score of his compatriots.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: It was a trophy vole for a traditional archer. He
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: didn't he might have been fixing to do a point.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: He might be so hardcore he's gonna do his shelf
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: liner instead of doing it and vull hair because he's
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: so good at stalking that when he gets up close
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: he finds that the noise of his wooden shaft on
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: felt is too loud. I'm a little uncomfortable because I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: feel like we're starting to rip the traditional because cows
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of traditional archer. Yi's a traditional archer. Is a traditional archer,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Not really, He's not a traditional both. He's not a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: traditional hunter. He's a traditional archer. My brother Danny is
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a traditional hunter. Cal is a traditional So when Danny
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: goes out the only bow he hunts with, how often
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: does he hunt archery? With archery? He does what he
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: likes to bring his long bow because he lives in
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the land of the Long Winter, Yeah, in Alaska, so
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: he likes to sit around, drink a beer, shooting recurves,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: staying stand around drink a beer shooting recurves in the winter,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: so at times he has taken said recurve out and
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: shot it at things. Yeah, that is one uh note
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: for you there, John Um. If you're just getting into
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the traditional side of things, recurve is night and day
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: of difference, easier than long bow. So I screwed up already.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Easier the long bow is what you're saying. It just
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: is man like the consistency out of my re curve.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I need another year of like real shooting that in act.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: When I moved up here to Bozeman with only things
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that I could put in my track, I brought my
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: long ball so I could can figure out how to
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: start shooting as fast as possible. Yeah, but the long
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: but just feels like more traditional. Yeah, well that's a lattle, dudes.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: The kind of dude that hunts of the add a
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: laddle is a different kind of dude than hunts of
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the recurve. Yeah, for sure, I hope. So. But there
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: was a guy, I meant a guy, and he was
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: like trying to convince me to pick up a recurve,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and I said, I've tried before and it just never
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: stuck with me. And so I said, where'd you learn?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: He said, I learned it on YouTube. I said, don't
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you think that's a little bit oxymoronic? How don't you
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: feel like that's a little bit ironic that you learn
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: your traditional archer from fucking the internet. That's that's pretty funny.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I like that. Um, where do you go? You know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: where do you go traditional archer hunting? Well, let me
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: check my GPS. I'll tell you. Yeah. Well, here's the
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: thing about my brother, like the ethics of my brother.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about having high ethical standards as
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a traditional archer, check this out. Every traditional archer gets
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: arrows that are painted to be Yeah, well, I know
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: because my brother is an exception. He was unethically uncomfortable
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: having the carbon arrows that everyone gets that have a
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: wood wrap. Yeah, that's what I got. It's kind of weird.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: He went out. He's like, I can't do that. I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: can't delive a why. And so he went out and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: had to struggle to find uh arrows for his recurve.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: No that we're carbon and looked carbon where they weren't
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: masquerading as would What is with that with you? Guys? Well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think that you people is one night you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: really want to go down. But it's just a fact.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: It's just it's a it's better you know you're you're
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: not breaking as many arrows. You don't have to deal
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: with why to look like a problem is not shooting carbon.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: My problem is why do you guys make it look
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: why who are you trying to trick? Oh nobody. I'm like,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: there is an inexpensive arrow. No you're not listening. No, No,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I am for me personally part of like, oh, here's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: this selection of arrows. I have to have the one
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that looks like would because now I'm shooting a traditional bill.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It just so happens that arrow manufacturers such as like
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Eastern and Beamon, they have pre fletched with real turkey veins.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Only the arrows with this fake wood sheath over the
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: top of it is the exact same arrow as I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: think in access arrow, which is a very common arrow,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: but it's one grain per inch heavier because it has
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: this additional faux wood uh lamin it on on top
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of it lambin. It's probably not even right detail all tho.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I don't even think it's the archers themselves that this
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: problem spawns from it's some marketing dudes and they started it,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and so it's just like been they like produced the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: first ten thousand arrows because they thought that, well, of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: course these guys that are shooting these old timey wooden balls,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: they're gonna want these old timy wooden looking arrows. And
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: it was never like a group of traditional archers being like, hey,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Eastern God, we love shooting your aluminum or your your
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: carbon arrows. But you know, if you guys could paint
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: them up to them make it look like would, we'd
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: be so much happier. And what is really funny is
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I have gone, you know, some spots around catch them
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: where I have like good north facing slopes that have
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: like good loamy soil, soft soil because it's real rocky country. Um,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: go out and dip out of town, go stump shoot right,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: shooting old rotten stumps with them. I'm following with three
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: curve and I have found other arrows out there where
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's my arrow that I lost the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: last time. And it's not my arrow, but it is
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: like the wooden shaft arrow heard the fake would get
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: many things I want to bring up right now. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: need to write them down. I can't get what I
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: can't get, like the marketing of traditional archery equipment, like
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: did they bring it in your house and a horse
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and buggy? What the hell does it matter? What? According
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to the folks in the in the archery equipment industry,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: it is such a ridiculously small group of people out
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: there that um there whoever made the marketing decision? And
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: be honest, I think you are spot on. That was
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a long time ago and nobody's thought about it. Since
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I don't buy it, I don't buy it for a second.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Would you wear Let me what kind of rat you
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: smell on there? And you wear? Okay, let's say first
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Light makes some bitch and synthetic clothes. But like, you
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna, uh, instead of having to be camel,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it's gonna look like it's buckskins and we're gonna put
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna paint fringe on it, and so that way,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: when you're on the woods, it looks at a passing glimpse,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, I have fellas wearing buckskins. But
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: he's not. It's synthetic, of course not. No, is that
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: a real coon skin hat? Nope, No, it's not it's
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: polly pro I just painted it to look like I'm
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: out in the woods. Was it's not important. It doesn't
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: it's not important enough to converse about. No, I mean,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: it's the thing I haven't noticed. I grew up hunting
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: with guys that would go out in buckskins with passion,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: round ball, fifty Calholigan and hunt that they had no optics,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: no nothing. I was interested in the buckskin in the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: world as a young d exacted you guys that were
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: buck skinners and that that you know. I said, I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: had some things I wanted to bring up that I
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: had to write them down, write them down. Here's one
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: of the things I just wrote. When I was a
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: little kid. You know, what are you talking about? Going
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: stump shooting and find other arrows? When I was a
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: little kid, I remember vividly, and I could tell you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: where I was standing when I heard it. In the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: parking lot of the Moskegan Bowman's Bowl Club, A guy
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: telling me, if you really want to find Indian arrowheads,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: here's how you do it. He was saying that he
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: goes out in the woods and we'll sort of imagine
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: shooting lanes of yr Okay, so like a opening through
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the trees where he could picture someone have him taken
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a shot thousand years ago, and he would then go
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: over there and look around to see if he could
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: find the lost Indian arrowhead. Boy, time on our heads.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: This is the dumbest person. But viewing it in my
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: mind like you were put an old growth for ut
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the entire time we have taken a pause to review this.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: In my mind, I wonder if he wasn't just yanking
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the kids chain. Well now out here in the Great Plains, right,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that does stand up as far as like okay, Pishkin
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: buffalo jump site, um, old water holes are places that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you know, cave sites, things like that, and that does
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: take that theory right at that imagination of days of
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: yore being like, Okay, this is a natural pass. I've
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: been here for thousands of years through this pass. There's
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: a high point, there's a water, there's an old dried
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: up uh pond area underneath it. Boy, I bet that
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: would have been a good place to camp and wait
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: for animals to come into that pond and work on
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: my heads, work on my heads. And then at that
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: pond you could probably spend some time and find bird
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: points or small game points. I agree with that because
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I've successfully found um arrowheads old stuff with anthropologists whose
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: approach was to go to likely observation points and likely
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: campsites on the Arctic slope where there hasn't been anyone
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: wanting around picking it all up, and you'd be like, man,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I could picture hanging out up there waiting for waiting
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: for wild horses to roll through and during the pleisto
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: scene peninsula with like giant old growth timber, and that
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: would be pretty dawning. Tax real quick question before we
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: move on. You good, Ben? Well, yeah, I'm good. Okay. Uh.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: If you remember the house on fire scenario, yes, okay,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: picture that you're in that situation and knowing that you
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: have no children. Imagine that's your your mother and grandmother say,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and imagine you're a vegan. No, and it's that you're
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: there incapacitated, and they can let the one person to
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: run in, and they have a compound shooter and a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: trad guy. That's all you know about the potential rescuers.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: What way are you leaning? I got my answer. I'll
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: wait for calm, but I'm going trade guy. I'm going
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: to compound guy. There's a lot of passive compound guy
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is a lot of passive. If they's a hardcore compound guy,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the trade guy is old, he can't get up the ladder.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: There's methodical he's gonna be thinking about listen, all right,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: what the compound guys just gonna run stupid lead forward.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: But then he's gonna stop a hundred yards away. So
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: what's your answer your mother and grandmother had for some reason,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: my first instinct was to say, compound guy. So I'm
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: just gonna go go with compound guy. Yeah, that's the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: obvious answer. I feel like you were patronizing Cow a
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: little bit with your answer, Steve, is that true or no? No,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that wasn't standing to I know. I just I think
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: of guys that I know, uh in uh, A couple
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: of firehouses, a couple of fire city fire guys. I
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: know they're all compound guys. Oh so you're thinking you
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: might actually wind up with a fireman by making that selection, Okay,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I bet you. An we hear from a fireman who's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: a trad archer will be watching moving on a real
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: quick This is interesting. They found there's a species of
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: snake a before Okay, cheapas Mexico forty two years ago.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: They don't explain how this happened. Forty two years ago,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: some cane, some palm harvesters working in the Mexican state
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: of Cheopae. Am I saying that, right, Yeah, I'll go
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: with that. They find a snake. They find a coral snake,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and in its gut um so whatever, they decided to
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: cut it open. And if yeah, if you're a palm
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: caughter and you run into a coral snake, imagine you're
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: killing that coral snake because you'll get your snap. So
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: they killed a coral snake and they disembowel it for
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, and find a snake in it that they
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: did not recognize. I hadn't seen it before. Someone preserves
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the specimen forty two years goes by. It's a ten
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: inch long male snake with two peckers, a double peckered snake. Uh.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Forty two years later, they do the genetics work on it,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and not only is it a new species, it's its
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: own genus, completely undescribed. Watch this segue. Oh, go ahead.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: The defining UH attribute, I guess would be the two
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: pecker versus one pecker. No, I guess it's not that.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I just like that part of the story. But um,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: who wouldn't they have like snakes will have like thorns,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: like little birds on the on there, like ducks, tally whacker,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: if you will, Um, this one is a double double,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it'd be it'd be fun to just know, like how
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: they got that. Yeah, it's not a new species, right,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: kingdom filing class order, genus species, Right, you have to
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: dig deeper into it. So yeah, I'm sorry that I'm
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: not able to answer that. But yeah, it's like they
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: think that perhaps it's a ground dwelling insect eating snake,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: and you might be like, well, maybe it's now extinct
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: because they have no one had ever found one, and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: then forty two years ago a snake eight one and
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: no one's found one since then. But it's probably just
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: it kind of opens up, like there's just a lot
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: of mystery out there. People are describing new species all
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the time, but oftentimes it winds up being that you're
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: taking something you kind of already know. Like there's some
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: stone fly, right, and the stone fly has six bands
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: on its abdomen or whatever, and you realize the next
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: drainage over there's a stone fly has got seven bands, Like, oh,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I got some new species, but you look and it's
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: he's like very closely related to a known one. It's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: interesting that we could still be out there discovering something
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: as significant as a ten inch snake that isn't like
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: super close to it's not just like a little slightly
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: different than the one found in Guatemala, but it's like
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: an entirely new genus of snake that we didn't know about. Yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: you would think there'd be plenty of them, given the
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: two packer situation, twice as many, twice as many they'd propagate. Well,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: but maybe it doesn't work. Maybe every man's actually is
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: actually a detriment. Uh and and and I'll pivot off
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that point to talk about that. Perhaps I think that
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: this would enlighten and embolden all of those people who
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: wrote in about our Bigfoot show, because the Bigfoot responses
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: were one half the people that wrote in about the
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: big Foot show we did with with a person who
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: had had explored the world of bigfoot people. Um, half
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the people that wrote in were like, I can't believe
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: you would even honor that subject with a conversation. The
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: other half for like bro, I didn't believe either. And
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: then I met one, or ran into one, or had
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: one throw a rock at me. And the thing that
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: really surprised you out of this was the people we
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: had joked at length of out people who who bigfoot,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: people who say that, like you have an obligation to
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: shoot one if you see it, because that's a step
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: towards that's a step towards saving them. That if you
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: kill a bigfoot, then it'd be that you we'd have
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to recognize it as a species. We almost certainly have
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: to recognize it as an endangered species, and it can't
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: get a line in name. It will always be a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: mythical creature until someone kills one. But that conversation brought
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the fact that there are people out there shooting, like
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: really in real life, shooting at stuff that they think
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: is bigfoots, which is a dangerous practice. I had a
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: guy right happened here in Montana, just happened. That story
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: is a little fishy Yanni, go ahead. Yanni is a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: subject matter expert on this story. Well, I try to be.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I try to research it, but it seems that the
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: story has fallen dead and I didn't have time to
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: call the police department of Helena or Missoula, that it
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: happened nearby. I'm gonna talk about one from Texas, but
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: you go ahead and talk about this one. Helena. Helena, Yeah, Helena. Yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: A fellow was shot at and then the dude that
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: was doing the shooting claimed that he was shooting at
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: him because he thought he was big Foot, and last
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: we knew, they had not apprehended the shooter. Nobody was hit.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: That's what the story seems weird. John. What's the bar
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: on the west side of Rogers Pass? Um? The little
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: town there, it's starting to get kind of repopulated now
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: because folks are spreading out from Helena. Yeah, because you know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: if if you're gonna do that, go ahead, has big
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: like a big remember the Great drink. Why would you
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: assume I would know that a cocktail? They're called the
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot because you've been in Montana long time. I mean,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: it's not tricksies nothing, no, no, no, this is this
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: is right on the west side of Rogers Pass and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: there's a bar right there. Um and they have I
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: think it's a weekend long like big foot hunt party
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: that goes on on private property off off side of
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: the bar. And then they come back to the bar
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: and it's and there's busses and all sorts and they're hunting.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: So that could stand the reason why maybe this guy
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: didn't pick up on the fact that it's a good
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: excuse for a party. Maybe he was like, Okay, this
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: is an epicenter of big foot activity, right, we should
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: have done a good job of finding the would be
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: victim and talking to him. But but my interesting in
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the story, he was sighting, he was sighting in he
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be victim, was sighting his rifle, and all of
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: a sudden, bow bow and there's bullets hitting all around him,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and he winds up having a conversation. According to his story,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: he has a conversation with the shooter shooters like, bro,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: you should wear hunter's orange. I thought you was a
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: big foot and opened up on you. And he drives
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: off in a black Ford. And then the guy that
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: would be victim isn't interested in pursuing this or pressing
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: charges and doesn't even notify the police to a day later.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Apparently he's got no beef with the guy took him.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Think he's got no truck. He's got no truck with
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: the man who almost killed him. That's crazy. So I
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: just like, I don't know. A lot of times, you know,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: when someone tells you a story and at the end
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: of the story, you're like, man, there's got to be
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: more to that story. Mitch Hedberg used to talk about
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: taking drugs for attention deficit disorder even though he doesn't
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: have attention deficit disorder, and anytime someone told him something,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: at the end of it, he'd be like, man, there's
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be more to that story. I hate to say,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: but I think I sighed with the half of the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: people who rode in, like, why are you talking about bigfoot?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry because it doesn't surprise me that a guy
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: gets shot at sighting in his rifle. That doesn't surprise me,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sad to say, accidentally, But when that when, when
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: the defense to the crime is I thought I thought
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: he was bigfoot. That that's what Here's where it becomes,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Here's where the rubber meets the road. John is a
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: guy rode in, And this is a guy I had
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: talked with before, email with before, and he he belongs
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: to this North American would ape conservancy and they feel
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: as though they have wait a minute, he feels as
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: though they have identified a valley in Texas near the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: town I think it's near the Texas Oklahoma border. They
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: have identified a valley that is inhabited by a small
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: population of big feet that they feel is endangered by
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: habitat loss. And they've had add I think like forty
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: His group of guys that are researching this this imperiled population,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: they feel like they've had forty two run ins, and
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: they have a document they put out and in this document,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: it details members of his group shooting at bipedal organisms
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: with buckshot and winging them and blood trailing them and
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: sending the blood off to the lab and seeing stuff
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: off in the dark and trying to get shots at
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: it and saying that we need to move away from
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: buckshot and switch to slugs. And they're out in the
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: dark with flashlars. Here Again, Man Peter's shooting at bipedal
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: organisms does not surprise me. It's troubling. This troubling to me.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: It is troubling to me as well, and it makes
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: me not want to hunt that not necessarily out hunting
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: there and you're out late and you're you're like, oh
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: my god, I forgot my ashlight and you're cutting off
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: through the bushes at night. And furthermore, it doesn't there's
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a national bipedal would ape conservation group out there that
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me either. This goes back to our model
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: of conservation. I don't have any problem. I don't have
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: any problem with going out in the woods looking for stuff.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: It's like, great, go out in the woods, look for something.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I have a real problem with going out firing away,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: firing away at things, walking through the woods. Isn't there
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: something we learned in Hunter's education called no your target
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and beyond? Or are we just now whanging away at
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: bipedal organism? No we are not. Officially, we are not
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: just whanging away at anything. Don't know your target and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: beyond anything. I think every twelve year old would say that.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: But the whole Bigfoot thing, to me again, it's like,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: this is postmodern America. And if if you don't know
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: what postmodernism is, look it up, because to me, bigfoot
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: is a postmodern phenomenon. But there's guys like legitimate, guys
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: like less Stroud. I don't know if we all think
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: less strate of legitimate the survivor problem. The survivor man
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: went all in on Bigfoot. I think it's but a
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: lot of people do. This guy says, the guy that
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: roared in. This guy even says that they were they
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: They believe they were able to self tag a wood
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: ape with a nanotag radio transponder transponder and tracted for
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: ten months, attempted to close in with the animal, came
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: very near at times. UM got a lot of geographical
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: data on it, and they feel as though they were
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: able to calculate a potential home range for the species.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, no, it's it's just just reply. Let me
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: know when you get one, like, let me know when
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: you can you have nets? You ever like net one, Well,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: put some sticks over it. We can start a rhinoceros
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: dart one. Here's why you can't trail Camum. I'm not
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: gonna say anymore about again. I am like I do
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: not for the second. Everyone knows my opinions. I'm just talking.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: It's like an interesting like you dip your toe into
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: the world. It was interesting to watch, like I had.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: We We had a guest on a couple of episodes
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: ago who did a podcast series where she explores the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: world of bigfoot enthusiasts, and I thought, oh, that's interesting
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  Speaker 1: and had a conversation with it, and it's just funny
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  Speaker 1: to look at. It was funny to see the right
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the feedback that came in. I remain like, if you
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: want to hear my opinions on they're unchanged, listen to
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: the episode. But it was fascinating to see the mental
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: gymnastics that people go through in order to keep this
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  Speaker 1: notion alive. For instance, that um, you can't get a
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: trail cam image of them because they see somehow infrared
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  Speaker 1: and they can tell when there's and there's there's sounds
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  Speaker 1: that like a trail cam amidst feelings that they detect.
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  Speaker 1: It admits electro magnetic radiation. It's like hunting with hes
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and I was just gonna and they even say a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: guy was saying, in fact, a bigfoot's aversion to trail
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  Speaker 1: cams is so strong that if you have a big
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: foot messing with your house all the time, just put
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: trail cams up and he won't come around anymore. He'll
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: stop messing with your house, firing rocks at your house
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: all the time. It's a helpful safety. Yeah, it's just
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: like dudes, they have ghost hunting TV shows on like
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: some channel. Nobody watches. If that was happening, happened on
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: like the news. Yeah, if somebody found if somebody find
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: a big foot, it will happen on like you'll see
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: it on the no. But here it is. You don't
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: need to follow it. Yeah, it's not even worth it.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: What do you got? I like, I feel bad for
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: having brought it up. And at times I've vowed to
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: stop talking about stuff and then broke my vow. Yeah
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: that's that old Joe crad It's it's uh. There's no
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: such thing as a short cut. If it was the shortest,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: fastest route, it would just be called the way. All right, man,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: But you know I broke my vowel. But I'm gonna
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: make a vow. I made a vow to stop dogging
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: on people who like super crafty beers. And what about
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: your mug vow? Last time I was on your vow.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I break vowels all the time. But I'm vowing right
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: now for real, for keeps. I'm vowing to stop talking
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: about damn bigfoot's thank God? But what about what about
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: what apes them? To them? Too? Lump those put them together?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: By petle? What do you got? I'm sick of hearing myself.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Come up, you're ready to leave big foot? Yeah, okay,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: speaking of tough animal to find in the woods, you
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: guys haven't caught on yet. We have a thing here
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: on the Mediator podcast where we just try to out
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: segue each other. You guys can all join in at
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: anytime and uh when then someone else should do the rating.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I tried, but you guys, I don't know if you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: guys gave me the thumbs up for actually pulling it off. Anyways,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: in this case, you could say, speaking Mark asks h
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: what is the toughest combination of animal and environment to
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  Speaker 1: spot while hunting? So you mean I think he's asking, like,
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  Speaker 1: out of all the stuff that we hunt and all
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the different places that we hunt, what's like, what's the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: toughest animal to spot in its environment? His example is
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: a white tailed deer, standing white tail deer in a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: standing cornfield, which I would say that it's impossible to
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  Speaker 1: spot that at the top of the corn It's hard
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: to spot a deer behind a brick wall too. Yes,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: you can't see him. Yeah, that's okay, because that that's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: are you talking about, Like, it's it's in wide open
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  Speaker 1: you could see it, but it's camouflaged by its environments,
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  Speaker 1: like that's what. Yeah, because if it's it was behind
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  Speaker 1: standing corn, you probably can't see it anyway. Yeah, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: we should narrow it down to like it would be
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  Speaker 1: possible to see it. Yeah, land land mammals, because's no
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  Speaker 1: reason to spot hell of it. Well yeah, and even
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: like water I was gonna take out waterfowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, animals, animals,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: land mammals. I say, the gray ghost, Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's definitely the first one that comes to mind. Or
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: the couster. I've never hunted coust here. That's the great ghosts,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: the cus. They're famous for being hard to spot. I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: think that a mule deer because when when the snow,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: when you get snow and the snow starts to melt
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  Speaker 1: off and it's splotchy, patchy, that makes spot mules. You're
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: very difficult because is it easy to do, but to
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: eliminate the things that are easy to spot always like
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: a moose. A moose in the snow, it's pretty easy
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: to spot, but they can still vanish in a will
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  Speaker 1: thick But yeah, I think that when because when you
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: look at for mule deer, you're looking for the bodies
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: of the butts. The bodies on the snow are really easy,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: and the butts out in the sagebrush are easy. But
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: when you get splotchy snow, your eye doesn't trigger on
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: the butts or the bodies. Yeah, so you've got natural
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: camo and and it would make sense that coustier's a
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: smaller bodied creature, so it's going to be more difficult
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: to spot. I think you could make an argument for
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: a black tail deer. Yeah, coastal coastal blacktail deer can
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: be veryfficult to spot in all the dark shadows. That's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: hard to spot. I think easy to spot. Um. One
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: of the easiest things to spot that I found is
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: when you have black bears in the alpine holy smokes,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: like iridescent black blobs you can spot from a couple
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: of miles away with the naked eye like green background
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and then this iridescent blob well and and spring black
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: bear in general, just even locally around here. It's that's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: a that's a good good job finding. I mean, now
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: you look at a lot of stumps before you see one,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: stand up and walk around. You know, here's one kind
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: of off the continent, um hmil and tar and the
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  Speaker 1: tussic flats of New Zealand. When they get up like
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: below the alpine and they're hanging out, it's tough like
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: a tussock. Like the tussock, it's just a grass looks
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: exactly like the hair off of tar hunting white tilles
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: in Michigan is here. It was pretty fun where being
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: out one day and there's no snow, and being out
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the next day and there's snow, and man, you just
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: because it's a lot of tall brush and a lot
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: of thorn, you know, like multi floor rose thickets, But
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that snow hits and all of a sudden, you're like, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear.
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  Speaker 1: Then you would not have caught without Oh yeah, I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: mean it makes vulnerable by telling the rut. Depending on
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: the you know, what's on the ground and what conditions.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, it can be really hard to find, you know.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: You can you can know there's a buck right a
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: hundred yards in front of you, and you might see
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  Speaker 1: an ear, you might see an antler, you know, but
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: they can freaking get on their hands and knees and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: crawl with the best of them. A guy rode in
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: and he swears this is true. He says, you're sitting
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: on a power line in Texas. Thank he's in Texas.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: He says he saw a buck coming along. He says,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I would never believe if someone told me this, but
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  Speaker 1: I saw my own two eyes. He's that he saw
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  Speaker 1: a buck coming along, got to a power line cut
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: and got down on its knees, I don't know, down
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: on his knees and crossed the power line cut on
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: its knees and stood back up and walked off into
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: the woods. I have a difficult time with that. You
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a difficult time with that,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: But not with the bipedal mountain ape scenario. Very different
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I have. That's I mean, you see you see I
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: can't even see if he would break your sworn earth.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I'm oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, I don't know
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: that's you heard anything like that? But getting down on
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: his knees around what you've seen. You've seen a white
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: tail get on his knees. I've seen deer. I've seen
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: deer slunch slumped down and try to keep a low
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: pro I've seen a white tail buck on his knee
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: front knees getting through underbrush and stuff. Really not, but
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: he was saying. Here he was keeping a low pro
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: to go across the cut line. That's a different thing. Now,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: we did We talked about this ten times on this
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: UH program. We one time come around the corner in
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: the canyon and walked in on a wild turkey. And
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: this wild turkey laid down and laid his head and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: neck out flat ass on the ground. He jumped for cover,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: laid down. Yeah, i've seen access to here. Do that?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I mean you well from here to that wall. No,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: they're there with a bone and be trying to get
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: a shot at them, and they're just up under a bush.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Put their head up under the bush and like their
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: neck where you can't you can just see there's hiding.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: He's hiding from you. And then when you get in
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: whatever zone he knows he can bulk, he bolts and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: it's so fast you're nothing you can do. What'd you take, Joannie?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: You can't throw it out and then not have any feedback.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: I gave my my answer to the hardest animal to find.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: But now you guys are talking about deer on their knees.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't throw that out, but I do have that
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: was a that was a tangent. I do have a anecdote. Okay,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I was there in camp when this happened.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: But two fellas, two brothers um came back into camp
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: and one brother was on stand watching. Where we hunt
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, it's like these big oak woods and there's
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of ridges and bowls and pretty much you
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: kind of when you post up to sit for a day,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna watch a whole bowl and maybe a ridge
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: or two in the ridge behind you. He watched a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: buck come into this bowl snow on the ground. Washed
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: a buck come into the bowl and go into the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: thicket down in the bottom and disappear beted down. So
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: he and he could see all the ridges of this
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: bowl and could if the buck left, he would see it. Well,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: his brother shows up midday and he's like, hey, walk
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the bowl for me. There's a buck down there and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: kick him up. So he goes down there, walks the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: whole ball. No buck comes out, so they go back
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: in there and he's like, I know what that thing
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: went in. So the go in there and find the tracks.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Then they from the they follow the tracks from the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: bed and they find a log that is laid down
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: from the thicket up towards the ridge and they can
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: see tracks and then a belly scraping alongside the backside
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: of this log as it goes to the top of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: the ridge and then the tracks pick up and he
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: and he left. I like it. Walk the log, walk
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: the log, No, no, behind the log, belly scraping on
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the ground behind the bed, out of sight of the hunter.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: So the buck left the ball and that's how he
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: got out of there, with the hunter not being on
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: to see him. I like it. There's gotta be I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: haven't explored YouTube, but if it's something that happens, it's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: probably there bucks walking on their knees to avoid detection. Yeah,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that's a good one. Oh, speaking of bucks like that,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: there's a news story of the couple of people sent
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: me of an Amish feller who shot a poach point buck.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Like he shot one buck and then like tagged the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: buck and then shot another buck and moved the tag
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: from one buck to the next buck. And we're talking
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: about like fines, like whether or not you get a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: good find or a bad fine. This guy picked up
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: eight thousand dollar. Where was this in Ohio? Millersburg, Ohio.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: They make a big point in the article of pointing
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: out that, um, he's an Amish man. He put like
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: he put a game check number on ad He used
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: a game check number that had originally been used by
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: another hunter. He'd also then also took more than one
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: antler deer in a license year, which led it to
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: be that he had a posession of Like all these
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: things add up, right, you wind up with all these counts, right,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: you're like something, commit a crime with thirteen counts or whatever,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: but you want to. Then he's also got possession of
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: deer parts that are in property tag, which is another
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: thing and also adds a lot of scrutiny in the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: past seasons typically, so maybe they picked up he had
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: like and it turns out like the game check number
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: he used was originally used on the dough. But anyways,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: it all adds up. Dude winds up with eight thousands,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: seven hundred and some dollars and fines. Sure that hurts,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: and then he can't hunt for two years. That's how
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: do you How do you get to go hunting again
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: in two years? Those things don't equate? And fines and
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: a two year penel. Well, this guy doesn't sound like
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: he may follow that rule either. Yeah, maybe not my
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: favorite part of it. As it says, and I had
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: to think about this for a minute. It says that
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: they tried to reach him for comment, but he was
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: unavailable for comment. He's not hunting, no, because he doesn't
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: have a phone. He's amish. What are you gonna do?
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Send someone over there, knock on the door. What do
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: you think about those poachings? That's a that's like I
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: would put that in the pretty stiff fine category. I mean, well, yeah,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: there's a clear trail of total disregard for the rules.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Right as a hunter, would you rather see the penalty
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: be longer and the time out of the woods or money?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Because I would much rather him be You gave him
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: ten years and five bucks. When I look at that,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: my thinking is, wow, that's a lot of money for
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: a buck, because I think sometimes you see someone poaches
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: a buck and they get a light that you mud
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: up seeing these fines a thousand bucks. But I think
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: it also kind of like plays into um, you know,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I you might be treated differently. You know, you're down
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: on your luck and you shoot a forky buck for
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: some meat, Like a judge would consider that in a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: game ward and we're talking about sentences a day, and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: we're expressing some frustration with why do some guys get
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: such big fines like the guy what was the guy
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: that killed the three moose and Alaska hit a hundred
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: thousand dollar fine and in a game ward and our
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: our friend Eric from Idaho Road and he goes, you know,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: you gotta understand a game ward and doesn't you don't.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: You don't get to dole out the punishment, right. Look,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: it typically goes in front of a judge, and you've
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: got judges that that take you know that, you have
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: certain judges that are known as real hanging judges on
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: wildlife crimes, and you've got some judges who wildlife crimes
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: don't really register with them and they can't picture, Oh,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: it's just a deer, right. Their attitude would be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: who cares. They don't understand, like they don't understand the value.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: They maybe don't understand and prioritize the value of the resource.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: They might have had a who knows what cases they
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: heard that day of what kind of horrible crimes they've
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: been dealing with that day, And then you come in
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, some guys shot a deer, I don't
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: care and and and not treat them. But then some
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: judges are like really hardcore, and so it kind of
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: depends on who winds up doing the punishments. And he says,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: you can try to influence them by telling them like
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: the severity of the crime, but it's not you know,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: it's often not up to you. But you would you
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: would think that you'd have more you're saying, a better
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: chance of running into a judge that would be more
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: strict and Alaska than you wouldn't where it's recognized a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: very valuable that your citizens and your economy rely on that,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: and it's more prevalent you're gonna see more wildlife related
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: crimes in a place where people are interacting with wildlife
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: more awten and might yeah, and you could be that
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: you know, you get one, but it's a hefty crime.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: But in looking at him, like guy has a lot
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: of money. Not that I feel bad for the dude
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: for the fine, because it is like, you know, he
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: really was going out of his way to to pull
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: off some right, he was going way out of his
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: way to pull it wasn't like he made a mistake
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: and then tried to cover it up. He was like
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: actively being deceptive. I look, I'm like, that's a lot
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: of cash, but that look, I'm like that seems like
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: a uh, pretty weak on the revocation of hunting privileges.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I think that to your question, Ben too, like, I
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: think the money, it is a lot of money, but
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's it's a greater deterrent to the bet
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: to the behavior because you can say five years or uh,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: and the and the culprit in this particular case, because
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: it's difficult to enforce is he out there hunting two
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: or three years? It's easy to enforce pay the fine.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Have you paid or have you not? And then that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: that financial burden is a is a deterrent to others
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: and to prevent RECIPIVI yeah, and it affects your family,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: it affects those around you, that's right. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: You can see you've given the guy and a chance
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: to be good. Where if you take aways hung your
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: rights next twenty years, well you just created a dude
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: that's going to poach for the next twenty exactly. You
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: know that turn, It's a good perspective on it. This
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: guy took like so the first Bucky shot was the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: eight point and then you wanted to swap heads out
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: on it like legos, you want to swop heads out
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: on it. And they later recovered the eight point head
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: of the ditch. Oh is always a ditch because you
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: don't like the thrill stuff. Yeah, and it's interesting too
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: because you know Amish uh communities are that they're a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: communal resource. Right, they just share their firm, the equipment,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: they share uh right, the responsibility, uh financial responsibility. So yeah,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: this guy did make a twenty eight thousand dollar ding
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: on the community. But that being said, like you know,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: there are payment programs um that you can get into
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: to pay these fines over the course of years, because
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: they don't take somebody makes a hundred bucks a day
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: or twenty five bucks a day and say, hey, you
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: know what's twenty eight grand? Where is it? Typically? Yeah,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I mean if you don't have it, you could build
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: finance it, but you gotta pay it one way or another. Yeah,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: and there's no way around that. Yeah. So I was
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: talking with an officer out of Lewistown, Montana, and he
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: said he much prefers um uh seizure of uh. You know,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: you're hunting tools of the trade. In this case, you're
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: poaching tools of the trade over anything, because he feels
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: like that, in his experience, was always the greatest deterrent
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: to future crime. It was like, we're gonna take your
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: vehicle that you used to poach this if that is
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: you know, a comparable amount of fine money, or we're
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: gonna take you're super fancy rifle. Um, because he feels
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: like that has a longer lasting staining to it than
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: a fine that they can be like, oh well, yeah,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: I just turned into seventy five bucks a month for
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: the next thirty five years or however it works. Yannis.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Have we talked about um and we talked about the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: guy that the warden I met who had the theory
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: about super poachers. Yes, we talked about it. Death from
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: down in Kentucky. Oh I know what you're talking about.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: This is something different. Oh yeah, well I can't remember
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: if we bought it up up again. Yeah, I'm gonna
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: bring it up again. He has this idea that that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: in enforcing like and enforcing poaching, he feels that that
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: you have ten percent of your poachers are doing your poaching,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: and he thinks that that's where you need to really
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: put your resources, and he thinks that they're the same way.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: He thinks there's a there's a form of sociopath and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: like that, like sociopathic behavior can take a lot of forms,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: and there's a type of sociopath. And he has a
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: personality type that he's built. Who these people are, what
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: their motivations are, how they operate, where they live, what
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: they do for living. All this, he understands them and
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: studies them as a type of sociopathic behaviors to become
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: a serial poacher, that's their outlet. And there's certain attributes
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: of having like a trailer or a shed or a
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: garage where you have all the heads and you are
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: you have sociopathic anti authoritarian tendencies, You have a feeling
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: that you've never really gotten what you deserve in life,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: that you seem to be somehow compelled along by this
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: idea that you're going to deprive others of something. You've
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: got it all figured out. They're idiots, you know, how
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: to find these big bucks with a spotlight on somebody else.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: And and and it's like and and he has all
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: these case examples of these guys who are doing like
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: see real you know, serial poachers where when you find
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: their cash, it's fifty or a hundred elk heads, you know,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: just squirrelled away in a basement. They'd be fascinating. Yeah,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: they think they're you know, they look at that big
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: pile of poach and poached heads are like satisfied. Yeah,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: he had said that there's there's a lot of similarities
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: with there's a lot of similarities with serial killers, like
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: the methods, Like they really like strange methodical behavior and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: it's it's a sociopathy. Wow. So if you meet a
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: guy that doesn't like the government, thinks the man's getting
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: him down and has a big police Yeah, yeah, we're
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: gonna to This might be the last one. Let's wrap
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: it up. I got a busy day. Um, I don't know.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the guy who wrote in I don't
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: have the email anymore. It's not gonna do this day.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: It's not in in front of me. But he wrote in
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: asking why in the show we're always uh and we
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: take always we always see this show. I think it's
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: the editors must like to show us loading the cartridge
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: into the chamber. Yeah, they like that nice metallic they
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: love clanky sound. Um, this guy editors like crick crossings,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: gate openings, burners getting turned on, ignited. I just watched
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: the chambers shell shellen chamber in The Untouchables with Kevin Costner,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and Sean Connery. Great flick, and they they
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: must rack those pump shotguns dots and times, and it's
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: like howtimes sometimes the bartender mo racked pumpho. That's funny.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: I just watched that Netflix bird box. Sandra Bullocks in
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: there and when Yeah, to prove her character, she's in there.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: She's like, I grew up. She said something like, I
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: grew up on a farm. What does that? Every time
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I go to a farm, I look around where I
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: look at some guy? I grew up in a rural environment.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: You're like, what, Well, clearly somebody in Hollywood wrote that ship.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: My dad has a horse watching Hollywood writers be like,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: oh no, I know all about these rural folks, what
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: they like to do. I eat a lot of canned vegetables.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: You're like, Uh, so he's wondering, uh, why we do that,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: why we show that, Why we're out hunting without um
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: round in the chamber. He he is in the woods always.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Once he starts hunting, he's got around chambered with the
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: safety on, and that's how he goes about it. So
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: I'll answer it with a song. There's no business, um
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: larger what you're seen as a function show business because
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: we have a chaot oftentimes, the chaotic situation with camera
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: guys circling around, popping up in unexpected places on you
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: now and then. And it's different than just being out
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: by yourself or being out with your body when you
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: have a good synergy and you kind of understand where
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: everyone is, and it's really it's easy to have good
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: muzzle control and just like if you're out home with
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: your body, it's just once you know what you're doing
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: and you guys kind of like know how to move.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: You just do not wind in situations where someone's sleeping
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: their muzzle across your chest. It just doesn't happen. Um.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: It's easy to stay aware of who's around, You know
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: what's going on when you when you throw in a
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: filming and environment, UM, there's just two. There's there's too
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: much that feels at times like a little bit out
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: of control or surprising, and there's like extra people around
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: who need to get and get good angles and they're
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: out in front of you and they're behind you, and
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: and it just wants it's a good added safety. It's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: a good added safety protocol to just not do it
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: unless you get in the heat of the moment and
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: you feel like you're in a situation where there could
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: be a shot coming up, like in in tight quarters,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: um in in when we're filming in that situation, I
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: would even say, hey, heads up, I'm chambering around, and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: then this moment passes and I would be like, heads up,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: clearing the round. And it's just it's something we just
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: developed over time. That's a good thing. With that said, um,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: if I'm bombing up some trail in the dark, I
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: don't like, I don't like pull my gun out of
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: a case and automatically chamber around. Just kind of depends
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, I think in most instances it
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: rarely helps. It's like it's not really that much of
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: an added benefit to have one around chamber. Yeah, John,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: I was saying earlier, if you're still if you oh,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: you're still hunting, right, it starts to rain, You're like,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get them walking around and see if
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I run into something. Then maybe if you're by yourself,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: then maybe, but otherwise, I mean, I'm curiously if anybody's
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: table here had has been involved in any accidental discharges,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: I have you after three? I can think of three
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: or four right off hand. Absolutely, Yeah, And you know,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: it's a I think it's a really good topic that
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: hunter should talk more about. I kind of preach it
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: to my kids in the nature of hunter education. I mean,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: we're it's a zero uh tolerance game. You know, you
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: get you get no chance to make a mistake. Yeah,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: accidental discharges and all the rest. But I'm a strong
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: advocate of not chambering around when you're rifle hunting in
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: most situations. And I certainly have friends who have a
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: different opinion of it, and they think, you know, they're
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: they want to be ready in case they need to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: make a quick shot or something. To me, it's not
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: worth it. And it's almost never a situation where you're
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: you're even gonna miss a hunting opportunity if you have
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: to take a minute and and rack a rifle around
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: with a bolt action rifle or whatever. So my my,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: my uh opinion on it is it's it's better typically
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: not to have a round chamber. Yeah, it's an easy one.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: I always you know, spot and saw hunting out west.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: You see a lot of that, you know on the show,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: and John you obviously that's mostly what you do. But
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: like back east, and I grew up hunting deer and
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I was gonna sit in a stand. I'm definitely gonna
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: have a round chambers once I get set in that stand.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: And even if I was hunting with somebody, I probably
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: still getting the stand. And once you're ready, you're gonna
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: chamber one because if white sailed deer and you know
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: those kind of woods, your SHOT's gonna be less than
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: a hundred yards and a lot of times they pop
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: up and they're just right there in front of it it,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: and you could screw up the hunting opportunity if you
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: had to chamber around. I get that, and it's reasonably safe.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: You're sitting there by yourself. You've got good muzzle control,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: all the all the rest of it, and you and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: you're right honest. Out here in the West, larger countries
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: spotting stock hunting for the most part, that's talk and
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: you're climbing over stuff and understuff, and it's like, uh,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: you know, recently, I was hunting with my little boy
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: and we set up to rattle, you know, to call
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: hunting white tails and set up I'll be like, okay,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: we're gonna chamber around and talked about how we're gonna
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: do that, and then talked about how we're gonna undo it,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: you know, um to be ready. What I used to do.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: I now use a neoprene sock, you know, a neoprene
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: cover for my scope, which I love not I can't
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: picture ever using anything else. I used to use the
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: kind that had like the elastic you know, the shock cord.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: We used to make our own. Just go down to
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: hardware store making like indestructible shot cord scope covers with PBC. UM.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: What I would do is if I had a round
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: in my chamber, I would always have that scope cover
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: as a reminder. I would put that scope cover on
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: like a bracelet, and that was my like, you have
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: a round in your chamber, don't forget. Yeah, that's a
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: that's a nice thing to do, a little you know,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: tool or a device to remind you that you're that
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: you have a round chamber, because you know, stuff happens
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: out there. It's it's chaos theory. Just when you think
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: of I've got a round chamber. But I'm good. This
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: is an easy hike and my safety is on. You know.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: That's when you cross over a log and you trip
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: and follow me. Just stuff happens. I would never My
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: oldest kid is eight. It will be that many more
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: years into the future, probably more before I would ever
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: entertain the idea of him having a chambered around unless
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: he was preparing to shoot right. And it it as
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: a parent, it really hits home with you, you know
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: when when you're when your kids are are now hunting
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: on their own with their buddies, and it's like, okay,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: you know, go get them guys. Uh. I personally still
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: to this day say I don't want you chambering around,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: And I don't really want you hunting with someone who's
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: got a round chamber. You know, assess the hunting competency
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: of your buddies, because that's the one that's the bullets
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: gonna get. And and I have had good friends, I've
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: had experiences hunting with very good friends who did not
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: maintain and control of their muzzle. And you see a
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: muzzle pass in front of your body and and I
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: hate to be kind of a jerk about it, but
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: it's almost like a zero tolerance deal. It's like, I'm
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: probably not gonna hunt with you again. Story this year,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what stated what it was in the Midwest. Uh.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Guy was hunt with his dad and he went to
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: pick up his dad, and his dad was getting down
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: off his tree stand or somehow somehow decided to hand
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: by the barrel, hand his rifle to his son. His
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: son reaches up to grab the rifle. Mm hmm, dead dad, brutal. Yeah,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: because it's it's a game of worst case scenario. What's
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: the worst case scenario if you don't have a round
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: shaped budder gets the way? That's the thing I can't
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I and sitting here talking about it, I really can't
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: think of it. I can't think of a case, a
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: situation where you could really honestly say I would have
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: had I would have had that whatever, had I had
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: a round chambered. I really can't think of a case
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: that that I could legitimately say. That's thing and people
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: talk about the noise. But what I do is I
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: keep I'll keep like when I'm doing that, I'll often
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: keep one in my pocket or I'll keep around in
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: my binal harness. And you don't need to go like
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: it's not like you're like demonstrating your rural street creds.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: But you can just kind of open it up, place
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: it in there and not work one out of the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: not working one out of the magazine, which is noisy,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: but open placed one in, put your finger on the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: round it's in the magazine, press it down and close
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the bowl. It's not that loud. Well, you can if
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: you're sitting as you I don't even say, and you're
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: sitting in the ground blind, or just sit up against
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: a tree, you leave the bolt open. Yeah, in that
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: same way. Yeah, I grew I grew up my dad.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: If he said watch watch your muzzle once every ten minutes,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a surprised even if you know, even if
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: I was sure I had shoulders slain my rifle and
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: there's no way I was gonna muzzle anybody, he would
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: still say, watch your muzzle. Absolutely, And kids should start
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: learning that with BB guns. And it's it's a lifelong thing.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: And now, you know, you get through teenage years and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: my kids and oldest son now is twenty two, and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: you know, we just hunted with him a few days ago,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: and uh, it's like, you know, when you're hunting with
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: your friends, don't be afraid to say, my gun's clear,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: I'm empty, my gun safe, you know, all the little
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: hunter ed things. Just keep doing it. Yeah, my buddy
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: guys up. Man, he uh, when we're with him, he'll
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: he'll say he's doing it, like he'll acknowledge it, but
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: he doesn't take your word for it. Be like, oh,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: it's clear, I'm gonna check. Go ahead, bro, Like, don't
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: don't apologize to me, man, totally don't like, don't apologize
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: to me about check all you want. Don't be insecure
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: about that stuff. And it's no skin off anybody's nose.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: And make sure you're gun safe. And it's just habits.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: And to hit the thing with the kids, I'll tell you,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: like this year, I was hunting cotton tails, my eight
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: year old, and he shot a cotton tail. And then
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: we're sitting there and he wanted to get his He
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: wan him to keep the twenty two casing as a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: like just to putting his little bag as a little
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: medicine box, you know. So he goes to get it out,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: and like it doesn't occur to him that when he goes,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: so he opens it up to retrieve one and closes
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: it and I'm like, now, buddy, what just happened? Like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: it just it didn't occur to him, like oh, and
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: getting the one that I wanted, I chambered one. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't do anything without me being right on top
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  Speaker 1: of him in handling, you know, But had I not
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  Speaker 1: been there, it wouldn't have occurred. He wouldn't have put
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  Speaker 1: that together. Well, I mean, we're talking about bolt action
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  Speaker 1: rifles really in this situation or spotting talking a deer
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  Speaker 1: or something. Think about in the upland field. You you
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  Speaker 1: can't if you're if you're running and over under, you
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  Speaker 1: can't walk around. Mean you you could walk around sometimes
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  Speaker 1: when it broke open. Most times you can't. It's hard.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard. You're like jump shooting. Yeah, it's like you're
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  Speaker 1: that's a real that's a real deficit. Say well, and
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  Speaker 1: how many people be sitting in a pit behind with
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes where that you got the rack
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  Speaker 1: in front of you, Or you lean up your shotgun
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  Speaker 1: and it's loaded and it's wet or icey or something
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  Speaker 1: in the shotgun just falls over and if it's loaded,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: you never know what's gonna happen, and so those are
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  Speaker 1: to me like some of the more dangerous situations there are. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's definitely there's definitely cases where it really has implications
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  Speaker 1: for like efficacy, right, Like it's it's not if you're
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  Speaker 1: sitting there in a duck blind. In order to be
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  Speaker 1: like in the game and to be like an active
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  Speaker 1: participant there, you're gonna you have to be ready to shoot.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta reay shoot. So that that comes down to
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  Speaker 1: where you increasingly like you're really a lot relying on
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  Speaker 1: judgment and attentiveness. Um, I think there are other cases
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  Speaker 1: where if you really look at it, like case by
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  Speaker 1: case going throughout your day, there's a lot of situations
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  Speaker 1: where you're really not at a deficit to have that extra.
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  Speaker 1: But it's the thing enough where like so many people
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  Speaker 1: have written and asking that question. Yeah, Yeah, I had
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  Speaker 1: an interesting thing go down when I was in North
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  Speaker 1: Carolina over the holidays through Kevin Murphy, I met another
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  Speaker 1: uh squirrel hunter that had a dog, and when he
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: picked me up, he said, Oh, we're gonna go pick
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  Speaker 1: up this uh a friend of mine. He's seventies seven.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying dogs, but he doesn't walk the woods anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But he's just gonna come come along and you know,
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  Speaker 1: hang out with the truck. Great, you know, so go
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  Speaker 1: and pick this guy up. He gets in the truck,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: he doesn't even introduce himself. He's just like, hey, man, um,
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  Speaker 1: are you cool on gun safety? Because we only hunt
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  Speaker 1: with dudes that have a gun safety is a high priority.
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  Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, whoa, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: but you know, and he went on to tell me
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  Speaker 1: he had two, uh family members, some of them kind
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  Speaker 1: of distant, you know, a couple of cousins removed or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but two family members that have been in gun accidents.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one had died. But uh yeah, that just
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  Speaker 1: struck me. And of course I was like, yeah, bro,
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  Speaker 1: I don't hunt with dudes that you know, don't exhibit
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  Speaker 1: you know, ex superior gun safety either. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I won't even load my gun until there's a squirrel
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  Speaker 1: that up and a treat them looking at right on
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  Speaker 1: top of that, how's your personal hygiene? But only after
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: that did he say so you're from what's your name?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Was say, honest, he goes, yeah, it's an interesting name.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Jan's Poodless. Uh quick update, it's hard because like there's
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: like a delay and because of the holidays, we haven't
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: been able to like monitor where things are at on
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  Speaker 1: ticket sales for the upcoming live tour. But we have
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  Speaker 1: upcoming events. I believe, Uh, it'll be way old news
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: by the time it gets there. Are are Portland events
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: totally sold out that real quick. We have upcoming events Houston, Dallas, Sacramento, Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: Kalamazoom Michigan, Kalamazoom Michigan. I'm not sure what's there. Cleveland,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: not sure what's there. I think that most every venue
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: are v I P tickets are gone. There's still VI
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: i P tickets and I don't know. I don't think
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: there are there's still tickets for Ree know absolutely. Um, dude,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: go to our Reno show. Um is that sheep show? Yeah?
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: You can go to sheep show at the same time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and enter the Lesson One Club because most of you
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: mugs listen and probably have not killed the sheep, And
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: there's no better way to get an opportunity to go
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  Speaker 1: hunt to sheep, kill the sheep. There's somebody in this
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  Speaker 1: room who went to the Lesson one Club last year's
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: right it happened to win. Did you go do that? No?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: I have not when that, well, yes I do want
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  Speaker 1: to go. It's like the only thing I've ever won,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, that'd be great winner. No, I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: big winner winner. No, I'm just one of those greases
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  Speaker 1: the skids for everybody else. You're one hell of a
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: goose caller, dude, I'll give you that. I had no
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  Speaker 1: idea it was a very talented sportsman. I knew that,
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  Speaker 1: but I had no idea that he was such an
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: emphatic and effective caller. That Cott's wild, you know, like
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: we hadn't been hunting together, something like feeling everybody out
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: and Cal's hammer and the mallard call, you know, and
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: I was this closely going, dude, come on, he's up
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: on the mount. But then I was like, damn, this
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: guy can call birds and he's turned to birds. Talking
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: to animals, man, I've always always loved talking to animals. Coyle.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: There was a bunch of geese flying in a v
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: high like I would have bet the ranch. They're packing
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: the mail, you know, heading out of country, and dangs.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Cal didn't turn them, broke them up and they came
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: in and we got them there, like who's that sweet throated?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: It was cool toting around chambered. It was good that
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: you guys saw that day because there's a lot of
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: days when those geese just keep on and going. So
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: that was fun. That was super fun. Alright, As I
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: was mentioned live tour, go to the meat eater dot com.
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• 1:37:57
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• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: and then go dig around and check out which venue
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: you would like to go to. We'll add more venues,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: but right now we're focusing on these ones we got there,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: so go go check around. Um you folks, look forward
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  Speaker 1: to meeting you, and you have a chance to buy
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: our live to our exclusive steam Breathing Wild Turkey T
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: shirt and other cool stuff. Speaking of sheep show, good Okay,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: I was gonna end the show, but I like that. Sorry,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: And all the way back to what's the hardest game
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: to find? You've got to kind of throw a knot
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: in for for sheep. Oh, I tried to find a
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: real quick story doll sheep in the snow. Not easy?
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: Not easy. One time I was following us set of
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: tracks in my spotting scope and then couldn't figure out
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: what happened to the tracks. And it seems I gotta
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: be able to continue seeing them until I realized that
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: I was staring at his sheep at the terminus of
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: the tracks, which it didn't even register me that that's
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: why the tracks seemed to mysteriously end wild. Um, you
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: guys gonna be set up at sheep show, Ye sneeze booth.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be there in person, I will be you. Come.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Give John a hug and a kiss. That's right, free kisses.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Buy some boots, free kisses. You can rub it in
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  Speaker 1: how he didn't get to go to Me and Cow's
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  Speaker 1: meat party. Thank you for listening.