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Episode 56: Fields Ranch Round Up · The Scrambling Dads Podcast

• speaker-0: Guys, welcome. We are in a special little place here. Thank you, Andrew, for for hosting us. We we just released our field ranch video. So everyone has seen how bad Jason and I are at a scramble. bad but you know with us with us today obviously you have Alex and Jason. We got Marcus back there on the ones and twos. and then we are joined with speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Andrew and Gary. so gracious to indulge us in this little interview and podcast. I want to turn it over to Andrew though. tell us what this course is. You've been here for two, three years now, right? you know, tell us the the process it's taken. It's obviously had the senior PJ championship. We've got a the big the big championship coming up next year. so what's going on here and is everyone pretty excited? speaker-2: It's an unbelievably special place. Like you said, we opened up with the senior kitchen aid PJ Championship. That's kind of how we opened our doors. and then just last year we hosted the women's KPMG PJ Championship. and then May twenty twenty seven we will be bringing the PJ Championship right here to the heart of Texas for the first time in seventy plus years. and we could not be more excited. this is as you guys saw in the video, it is the new home of modern championship golf and it is everything that these players can ask for and we're really excited to see what what what the players can really do for it. speaker-0: Well, and you've you've obviously been in the golf industry here in the D F W Metroplex. What has this place done to change the Metroplex as a golf destination? I mean, especially now in your role of running kind of the some of the special events and the outside crew. speaker-2: You know, it's it's really opened up the just bringing people here. Not only are they coming to play here, they'll they'll go and they'll play Frisco Lakes, they'll go play Westridge, they'll go play the Tribute, all these other courses around the Metroplex. I feel like over the last I got into golf in two thousand sixteen, when I got out of the Air Force. And from that point through twenty twenty, golf was as we all kind of know it, it was just a a hobby sport. It wasn't anything like it is now, and then twenty twenty hit and it was one of the only things that you could do. and so golf exploded then and then even now we opened in twenty three here and we've only been busier and busier every single year. but I feel like every everybody in the whole entire Metroplex, you can't find it tea time. You see the memes, you see the videos out there of booking two times in twenty twenty eight and yeah that's that's what it feels like, you know. We got it just can't stop. Which is great. It's great for us, it's great for golf, it's great for the game. We always talk about growing the game. and I feel like there's a lot of people that do it in the right way. there's people that it needs to slow down a little bit in my opinion, but we're doing a really good job of growing the game. speaker-0: Well a slight you know, diverge from that comment there of shrink the game. I don't know if you were able to watch the President's Cup much. speaker-2: here and there. Yeah, I c I caught our final points up on the board there. speaker-0: Well, I I can't remember what hole it was, but someone yelled in Nico's back swing. and I'll say I think Scotty did a stand-up thing. Guy had a what a forty foot par putt off the drain and he just conceded and said, Hey, you know, we'll we'll walk off this hole that wasn't fair to you. So I agree. I think there is some shrink the game that needs to happen. But no, this place has been amazing. I was gonna make a joke before we were hot, but I'll make it now. I walked out speaker-1: Is it safe? speaker-0: Yeah, I walked over to go to the bathroom and I instinctively just went to the men's not thinking. Like I'm on autopilot, just walked right in and like I opened the door and I immediately am like looking for a urinal because I was like, did I just walk in the wrong bathroom? It's one of those things like you drive home and totally forget to drive because you've done it a hundred times. I feel like I've been here too many times now that I know exactly where the bathroom is and just like instinctively walk right in. speaker-2: You know, and that's what we want here. It's it's a home. our team here wants wants you to feel like you've been here. Again, it's an elevated experience here. That's what we want. It should be an elevated experience. you're getting two championship golf courses, but the way that our staff treats you here it should be like your like your own membership even if you're not. speaker-0: So what can you tell us, and I get some of it maybe under cloth here, as far as what's gonna change between now and what, May of twenty seven? speaker-2: Yeah, twenty seven. speaker-0: you know, obviously we know some stuff with what we played out here 'cause you told us, but what changes are going to be made between now and then to get ready? speaker-2: You know, not too much from now till then. We have already sh fairways have kind of shrunk a little bit from what we had for KPMG. and then we've added not only for shade but some for playability and shaping of holes. We added about a hundred and twenty trees this spring and fall. since that tournament ended. So hopefully some for the spectators and and and that is also looking into the future of we're hosting championships all the way booked out through thirty-four in in Ohio. so those that that's looking for we got young trees built now and planted now. That's for the future as well for those to grow and provide even more shade out here for spectators. But as far as course conditions go, you're gonna see it. we just hosted the junior PGA championship and the Stevens Cup. which was a collegiate event here, top collegiate players in the country. So if you go back and look at those videos, those championship conditions that they were playing in is gonna be very similar to what our men are gonna play in as well. speaker-0: That's what so is some of that learning curve from the two PG w championships you've already had here. speaker-2: For sure. And a lot of that is it's not necessarily the like golf agronomics has their this is what we want the course to be with a lot of influence from the PGA championship team. Like here on property, like our team doesn't oversee course conditions. That's all put on by the PGA and their championship team. And so they kind of direct this is what we want the Greens to run at. This is what we want the rough to kind of be at, this is how we want it to play. And then our agronomic team can go back against not against them, but talk with them of this is the type of grass we have. Maybe this height is better off for those playing conditions 'cause, you know, Bermuda is gonna grow and play a little bit different than a Zoija rough or any other different type of grass. Like Bermuda Rough, as you guys know being in North Texas, one inch rough in your yard is thick enough for for most golfers and then even an inch and a half or two inches is almost as much as you can ever handle on a golf course. Well speaker-0: And May is always a funny time in Texas 'cause you're either still a little wispy and dormant or you are full on spring where a one inch rough feels like you're just chipping out to the fairway. speaker-2: Yeah, and year to year, you never know what we're gonna get here. Last year in May, it could not have been more perfect weather, right? It was a little windy. When I say a little out here, a little windy with about twenty five miles an hour. so twenty-five mile an hour winds overcast about eighty five and we were as lush as it gets. speaker-0: Yeah, I think the first time you and I played out here together it was in around that time late April, May time frame and you're right, it was absolutely g gorgeous. It was amazing weather. speaker-2: Yeah. So we'll see what we get. We're praying for some wind, right? That's what this course was built and designed on and that's what that's its real defense. These players are so good. They are the best players in the world for a reason. And if you just give a give a golf course with no conditions, they're gonna eat it alive. Yeah. That's what they do for a living. Like yeah, exactly. Look at Craig Ranch. I mean, if you've played out there you know that it can it can be tough. That rough is very thick out there, and they go out and shoot thirty under like it's no big deal. speaker-0: So I I know you're not part of that team. Yeah. But I know you pros have obviously sat and talked about the difficul difficulty of the course. What is the what would be a great tournament as far as the winning score? speaker-2: I think if I think if you shoot if you shoot five under you're in a real good spot. speaker-0: Okay. So that's the goal now. So we're we're getting we're getting close to US open territory here. speaker-2: When you look at KPMG, I think she won it two under. Wow. Two under was winning score. There was only maybe a handful of girls that were or ladies that were under par for the week. Wow. You know, the cut was can't remember exactly, I think the cut was somewhere around f four over. You know, that was the cut line, which is about what we set for our for our video. But again, it was windy that day they had they had two or three days that were forty mile an hour winds. You know, and and it's just that's a south wind headed right in your face for the first four holes, it'll literally give you anything that you could ever handle out there. speaker-0: That's one thing that you know, we say spring on the dormant grass, but wind direction too could be a crapshoot, it could change day to day absolutely during the four days. I mean speaker-2: makes one maybe a little bit easier, but guess what? Do you want to play 18 into a 30 mile an hour wind? No, I want that at my back. Yeah. I would I'd much prefer the south wind. speaker-0: Yeah, eighteen sets up great for most pros with that fade shot. but yeah, fighting that into the wind, that second shot's gonna be really tough if anyone wants to go for the green. speaker-2: One, it's gonna be very interesting to see you know, most players they have a pla game plan, whether they set it up in their practice rounds, we're gonna hit four iron off this T every day. But it's gonna be very interesting seeing people go to the cut line and if they're gonna start hitting driver and trying to get to it in two, or if they're gonna continue to lay back and play it as a true three shot hole. But it does it does give you the opportunity to go for it, even at that long yardage. But speaker-0: Yeah, I think Jason and I saw that as we kind of get into get into the round. we We had pressure pretty much all day. speaker-3: I mean, even Andrew's second shot on eighteen was almost perfect. It was almost perfect. speaker-2: Almost perfect. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-3: But it ended up in the creek. speaker-0: Yeah, that's a tough shot. I mean I absolutely chopped my approach. Jason had laid up and I was like, Okay, well I guess I'm gonna go for this and I top it and almost put it in the ravine. I mean it was that's a tough hole. Yeah. and when you have the pressure on, I mean a at at that point we're missing the cut anyways, even Eagle wouldn't have done us any good. we shot an eight over here, but speaker-2: Help the graphic. speaker-0: yeah. speaker-3: They've speaker-1: What a bit. speaker-0: It could have a little bit. It was it's a tough shot to get comfortable with on that on that second one and it we didn't have a short drive, so I mean we we're probably where the average of pros will be on that shot. speaker-2: Absolutely again, it's all about how they play it. If you if you want to get aggressive around the corner, you can. but my goodness, if you miss it five yards right, you're down twenty feet down into some again, some thick rough. Which for those guys, again, they'll just they'll chop it out and they can still make buried from down there, but it's not ideal. So it's it still requires a lot of precision. speaker-0: You know, I think you can say it about any course, but this course specifically, it feels like a second shot course. As long as you put yourself in a fair way and give yourself a chance, you're yeah, you're probably gonna be okay. you can make some scores. Now what you do have to do to win anything is be Gary Trammell and make some putts. speaker-2: Absolutely. speaker-3: That's it. We were we were that and we're like she'll be watching with us and she's like and he she can hear us talking. We're like, Who is this guy? speaker-1: Is like what is going on? speaker-3: And it's kinda funny too 'cause I was looking at like I've never seen my like putting stroke or swing on video and I'm like, man, that putting stroke is just like terrible but they're going in. They speaker-2: Going in. speaker-3: are. speaker-0: It fell and I think I said it on hole six, where I was like, You're making everything and Andrew's like, Well when I'm giving him the read, I'm like, it's but they're not gimme. Ten footer is gonna give me and he's making like the tour tour average from ten feet is like sixty, seventy percent. You're making every single one of speaker-2: I hate speaker-3: He was given perfect like directions and it you know, it helped he had a little green booklet in his hand that he didn't show you on the website. speaker-1: Okay, we didn't want it. I think it speaker-0: We did it that's where speaker-1: would speaker-3: What it was. speaker-0: I think it was hole fourteen that I finally saw him use that and I was like, what the heck's going on here? speaker-1: I just thought you just played it so much you knew everything. Turned on eight. speaker-2: Absolutely. speaker-3: That's about you know, angle to speaker-0: I turned my slow. speaker-3: the left and it's it's money. And I'm just like, All right. speaker-2: You it's to be fair, those greens I don't know if anybody's ever actually used a Greensbook. I didn't play for the for the listeners, I didn't play college golf, I didn't play high school golf. So a Greensbook to me is a lot of numbers that really don't mean a lot, except for direction. it it that's what it helps with. You can see the slope and you can see it more or less for me, somebody who's played out here a lot, confirms which way it's going. The the tough part about the East Course is you know, you have a four foot, five foot putt that breaks two feet and you can't even see it. so that's the the big confirmation in those Greens books is just Which way is it gonna go? All right, now we can decide how far and and how high we're gonna play it. speaker-0: Well and think that's a great point. because I I have had Greens books from some of the amateur tournaments that I've played in. I'm not a Greens book person. As much as I joke and say, to your point, yes, it would have been great to know, okay, this this one really is gonna move this way. You still to read how much. But I've always been a field putter. I don't a Greens book wouldn't really have changed my putting at all, other than my speaker-1: I would say. speaker-2: Yeah, it can't tell you how far to hit it. speaker-3: Yeah, and also some of that feel too. I was looking at it and I'm like, Man, this breaks right and Andrew's like, Hey, just hit it out, you know, a little bit to the right, it's going back left. And in my brain, I'm like, I see it going like two feet to the right. Actually, one of the holes we watched 'cause we we like we sat and watched most of it. first lawn part three. Mm-hmm. You know, we're on there on the green and two and you could tell from the camera angle, it's like, it's gonna break this way. And then when we hit it and we both when we even said, that was a mystery, it broke completely the opposite way and would have been like Been nice to know. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: Is that the hole that I had every shot? speaker-2: That was your long that was your car. Absolutely. speaker-1: Yeah, I said. speaker-0: I made a joke and Andrew fact checked me immediately on the course that Gary was making all of the buzz and Andrew's like, No, I had my birdie on two speaker-2: He'd been an honest podcaster. speaker-1: He said pull the pin, you oil confidence. It's like forty feet. speaker-0: They had two of those and it pissed me off. You had the one on two and that one was good. The second one was on seventeen on that par three. Gary misses his butt and it's like four feet by and he just goes and swipes. And I looked and I was like, speaker-2: Yeah, you're good. Gary's good on that one. speaker-0: That's really bold to just pull a four footer, like we can't just do that. speaker-1: It was hot. speaker-0: Andrew goes and dumps the next one and speaker-3: I'm like, let's get it inside four feet. speaker-2: I've told everybody since I watched that video to let's be fair to listeners too, that's the best round of golf I've played in two months. I've played in some events this summer and it has not gone that well, so I'm gonna have to regain. speaker-3: Well I will have to sidetrack a little bit. I did see your Castle Hills round. speaker-1: Not it was not speaker-2: Yeah. Not good at all. I had a very tough I had a very tough section championship. That was rough. there was one those yeah, first round of section championship this year was around that. I had a one fifty afternoon tea time in about the same condition. It was about a hundred and five. Yeah. And I from the moment that I got on the tea, I did not want to be there. It was just one of those moments where my I was mentally just not there. And that's what that's our biggest event of the year. That's the biggest payday of the year. And I've mentally shot myself out of it before I even hit a tea shot, which was just so hard to do. yeah, that's that's golf, right? Yeah. I mean, it's what it is. speaker-1: I was gonna ask but I I think the answer is clear and I don't think Gary was on the bag. speaker-2: No, Gary was not on the background. I couldn't speaker-3: You gotta have that twenty handicap here around you. speaker-2: I just I needed Gary to hit a few putts in front of me so I could see which way they went. speaker-1: Right. speaker-3: I mean if I didn't have to disappear to the clubhouse on eight and nine we might have even or one hundred that I was gonna speaker-0: Gary on a bag, are we sure he's gonna make it through eighteen rounds? speaker-1: Yeah, exactly. speaker-3: And I know you all heard on the sound and you cut it, but I think I was telling Andrew on forum like, Hey man, don't let me squat down for too long because when I stand up I will pass out. okay. And I sat down and he goes, Hey man, get up. Get up, stand up. speaker-0: Yeah, that was on that was on the audio as I was editing through. I kind of th that's the fun thing when I get to edit these is I hear all of the conversation going on for the most part. he speaker-3: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: yeah, there's one part that I think on hole three you made a comment about I would heat up at some point. Yeah. and you were half right. But you know, I heated up for like five or six holes in a row, starting at hole seven, and then Jason got hangry. I got tired and we just went straight down. speaker-3: We went down fast. speaker-1: I was speaker-3: Yeah. But I will say the temperature changed from when I went into the clubhouse at eight and came back at ten. It was still warm, but on like eleven or twelve I'm like, this is comfortable. This is easy. This will be easy to do. But we were speaker-1: So speaker-3: we were watching it and it was just like re replaying back in my head and we know it was super hot. We know the index was like up at a hundred t near a hundred twenty, I think. And you can hear us br all breathing. speaker-1: It's a song. speaker-3: Like if you in a song and you're just kinda digging the heavier breaths and you could hear from all of us. It was just it was hot. And then I was I was telling Alex too, it's like, you know, my first time to be mic'd up or on video. So I was a little shy. And then I'm like, All right, well, Andrew, like keep me upright 'cause like this heat is insane. It's speaker-0: So how was it playing on camera for the first time? speaker-3: It was it was a lot of fun, a little nerve wracking. if I had it to do all over again, I would have went to the range and hit a couple of balls. My first swing of the day was on one. on there, but I would say it's I don't know, I wanna do it again. Like give it like a s like I think my second go at it would be better than my first go. And we can attest to that 'cause we w started this about a year ago. You were more used to being on camera, but the first time we started recording it put me on camera, I w was definitely just bad. Gun just gun shy. Just couldn't speaker-1: Okay. speaker-2: Comfortable. speaker-3: Yeah, and the voice too. I could tell my voice, like you never hear your own voice, but I'm like, Man, don't I sound like that? I'm like I sound a little scared and like Andrew's like, so what do you think? First impressions? I'm like speaker-0: Yeah, that first car cam was a little speaker-1: she we see that he's at the towel on his head is like speaker-2: I'm not gonna make it. speaker-3: And I can remember what's in, Gary Andrew texted me and he goes, Hey man, bring some extra balls. First soul is like two sixty carry and I'm like, great. I'm like, all right. speaker-0: No, you're you know, Jason says I was used to being on camera. I wouldn't I've never obviously done the YouTube side of it, but where I train at IGP, like you're I've seen my swing a hundred times. I hate my swing, it's frickin' terrible. It's just parts that I hate about it. So I I was that part of it wasn't weird, and I think, and maybe you can attest to this, playing in some of those mid amp tournaments where like you're playing with strangers and you have people on the first T and you kind of are used to some of those nerves. So I never had the camera nerves. My biggest nerve has always been myself because pe I'm putting myself out there and people are gonna see and they see what one out of eight good rounds, which is the statistics, like you're not supposed to shoot your handicap every time. But then they're gonna go look at your handicap and say, he's not really a plus three. There's no way he's or a plus point three. There's no way he's that because they see the crap rounds. That But that was always in my head. That made me mess up more than the cameras did. Yeah. speaker-3: Yeah. Well it's like, you know, I go back to minor league baseball days and like hitting in front of ten thousand was awesome. But, you know, when you as soon as you put that mic on me and then Marcus is like falling around with a camera I'm like Like what I with the hand or something. speaker-1: It's like speaker-3: Yeah. speaker-1: scratch yourself. Don't scratch yourself, okay. speaker-2: It's it's so funny that you say that. speaker-3: But it's like Andrew's been doing it for like years. He just like he's just like coaching me on and like leading me on. Like he's not like trying to coach, but it's just natural that yeah. He's been on camera or been on mics. Like I didn't know but it you felt or seemed way more comfortable. speaker-2: I just don't care what people think, man. if I'm being completely honest, I've gotten to the point where it's what I try and teach my kids all the time. It's just like if if it's not true, then what do I care what other people say? And I've gotten to that point where I just I don't care. Like, am I the best looking guy in the world? No. Do I have the best looking golf swing in the world? Absolutely not. Do I care? No. You know, so what does it matter? Let's go have fun. Let's go record a video. Let's go put it out for people to watch and enjoy and let's let's teach some stuff. So that's kind of where my cause I had I had never well the only that was a funny story that I I don't know if I've told you, Alex, this before. I tell this people story all the time is I recorded my putting stroke one time and I was a really good putter. I still am a good putter, but I was really good and I s like, Hey, you know, he record my putting stroke. I just wanna see what it looks like. Worst decision I had ever made, 'cause again, it looked awful. It was So inside to out, I was just pushing putts and I was like, my gosh, I've got to change this. It doesn't look perfect. I have to change this. Guess what? I didn't make a two-footer for about six months because all I wanted to do was change my swing. And I said, screw it, I don't care. Let's hit the ball in the hole and that's all that matters. So that's I think that's probably where maybe my confidence comes from. But I had never been on video or mic. speaker-3: And and I think that round was other than like I've never taken a golf lesson in my life. Yeah. until you got me over at IGP. and I'm like, man, I got a great swing. Baseball player, natural true. And then I, you know, saw the swing, I'm like, whoo And then like looking at it on YouTube and everybody's going, Who's that guy out there? I'm like Man, that's my swing out there for everybody to see. I've been there, like I went to IGP and the recorded, it's like I'm on the wall of shame 'cause my swing initially It's just hor I'm like I'm sitting to myself, how could I have hit the golf ball the way I'm swinging? And it's it's ugly. And then it's just like it's a it's a progress. But I don't care what it looks like, like you guys said, but I just care for myself because I want to feel better after after around 'cause I know we've talked about it before I started going there and getting my swing fixed, my body would hurt after. And that's not what I'm supposed to do. No. And so I'm like, if my mechanics are what they are, then that's what they are. So That's where I'm at. Yeah, and I was kinda hoping for some free lessons from Andrew but he was not giving speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: I gonna say what lesson do you need again? speaker-3: I thought I had like a picture like in the speaker-4: the whole floor. speaker-2: I was can we talk about six? 'Cause I wanna talk about where your guys' second shot ended up. speaker-1: it's amazing. speaker-0: so here's the deal. speaker-3: Over the trees to the right. speaker-1: Yeah, up it was sitting up on top of the It was strategic. speaker-0: I was really it was hole seven, if y'all remember, was my first good drive. Like cool speaker-2: Nine. speaker-0: good drive. even hole two, like it was a decent so I was having the pulls and I obviously pulled my drive. Jason kind of hit his a little bit shorter than we would have liked because he taught or hit it high on the face and kind of flared up. So he hit his approach and it wasn't on the green, so I was like, I mean, I feel like we gotta go for this, but I'm hitting a mini driver on a par four as an approach. Like this is this is not ideal. and luckily it's funny, I hit it towards that tree and Jason was like, we're gonna play my ball. And I muted y'all's mics just because sometimes there's some cross mics and it gets weird. but you hear Andrew say, That's gonna be on the T box, and I looked at him and I go, No, like there's a T box behind that grass. I think we're actually gonna be okay. And he was he was like, No, there's no way. We drive up to and he's like speaker-1: there it is. Perfect grass. speaker-0: I want that shot again though because I went you duffed it and put it in that trap. speaker-2: No. speaker-0: I wanted to like hit a high flop and go at it. I was like, Yeah, he's in the trap. We don't need to like triple bogey this hole. I don't need to blade it. Like let's just put one on the green. I want that shot again, even if I just drive out there to go s mimic that. speaker-1: That would be fine. speaker-2: Just speaker-0: Joseta High, it would've stopped immediately. I didn't I didn't trust myself. I was playing so bad. I didn't trust my hands. It was speaker-2: and that's that's the part of golf that like man if you don't practice it it it's a that's a nervy shot you know like you you just decell just just enough to hit it because it was that the mental part of golf where you say like that's all it takes right like that just speaker-1: The extern I feel is good, yeah. speaker-3: Like you said, that's always been a problem. It's like committing just you speaker-1: Gotta go through it. speaker-3: and as soon as soon as you take your foot off the gas, it's that's when hitches happen. speaker-2: I tell my students all the time, I say, I don't care like in that in that moment, I don't care if you would have hit it thirty yards over the bunker into the trees, at least you committed to the shot. Yep. Like you can I as an instructor, I can live with a student hitting it 30 yards long versus duffing it in that bunker. Yeah. Like that's the one we can't deal with. Right. The other one, at least we committed to and we can work on backswing and all the other stuff. But so moving forward, if you just tell yourself, don't stop, don't stop, don't stop, don't stop, I don't care where it goes, don't stop. Yep. speaker-0: Well and I think that's too where types of play comes in. Yeah. Because I think I I might have cut the audio at at one point when you asked me, you go, I didn't grab my brain's trying to how far is this? And I just kinda looked at him and I go, that yellow patch is your landing spot. Like I am a visual and I think that's why like I struggle a little bit on simulator play because I like the depth perception, I like the visual, But some people wanna know the actual number. Yeah. So I don't I'm not that way. So Jason and I as a team have not really ever done that 'cause I speaker-1: I'm not speaker-0: think he's very analytical and have a lot more feel. So we don't compliment each other in that aspect. Even on putting, like I think I'm much more of a feel and you're more of a what's the actual aim point. Mm-hmm. I might a little I might not speaker-3: But yeah, I like to play it to where I mean we've made comments about this. You're more aggressive with your line. I'm not and I want to feel it and decide it just fall into play and I get up close or it drops in. And I always like to go for the high side. that's the way I look at it. speaker-0: But you didn't have to say that on the mics where I hit nine out of ten shots short on the greens. speaker-3: And I'll say I I think I'm a yardage guy, 'cause when we came out here my death perception was terrible. Like Andrew's like giving the lines and I'm like, Looks like it should be way over here and he's like 'cause we all like striped one, he goes, I said hit it over the hanging tree. speaker-0: That one. speaker-2: I got that one, I got beef on I got beef with myself on that one. That was the wrong line on fourteen. speaker-0: Yeah he he was over here. I hit that fade like I'm thinking, wow, this is a great shot. That's gonna be a problem. speaker-3: Beautiful shit. speaker-1: Life is right there. speaker-2: Typically typically that ball kicks so hard to the right on that hole. speaker-0: No, but you're not wrong. Cause Jason's remember we drove up and my ball was far right. And then Gary and Jason were kinda like this, but Gary and Jason had two different ball flights and yours I think hit the slope and ramped hard like you're talking about. So You are a hundred percent I see where you're coming from, but it was just funny where I hit mine with the fade exactly over the line you wanted, then Gary comes up and hits the same thing and you're like, Well, you hit it opposite of him, like fade was 'cause he's he did a fade left, I had a fade right. speaker-3: Well the funny thing on that whole list too is mine was in the fairway and Andrew's like nope we're playing mine He drove up drove up another 40 yards and it was a pretty it wasn't the heaviest of rough but it was Rough because I I chunked my next shot and like speaker-1: Yeah, you do. speaker-3: farther going God who's this guy? Who's this guy they brought out here to play golf on half my 'cause I mean there were some terrible like dribbles like I've never played golf before. speaker-0: So so I let's bring this in because you have played God knows how many times with me. you've now played twice or you've watched Jason twice 'cause y'all did the once. Which maybe that's our next video. We do I'm gonna call it an annual. We've done it once and we've been live for a year. speaker-2: Inaugural. Inaugural. speaker-1: But not really. speaker-0: Our annual ugly Christmas sweater. so maybe we need to do that out here. speaker-2: Yeah, I like that. speaker-3: That loaded right behind. I'm like, I forgot to tell you, I'm like, when I let that our the video you guys made end, you're a Christmas video signed in right behind It was just like where did it come from? But it worked. speaker-1: Go get that one. speaker-0: Yeah, it was but no, so you've you see me, you've seen you've seen Jason now, and then you got two new guys. W what are your what's your input of the course, our playstyle, all the above? speaker-1: So when I was when I was filming Gary, I thought, Man, this feels like I'm filming myself here. Like I felt more connected with Gary And speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: then he started sinking puts. I was like, Yup, that's me. I don't know how many times like even on that Christmas video, I think you took the first putt that was like going up to that par three or whatever was going up tail. And so it was like a double breaker and you did the first one and then I sunk it. It was like a third. speaker-3: It was crazy, yeah. speaker-1: It was it was up there. and so that's why I was like, Yeah, I kinda feel like Gary right now. but it's I don't know, it's very interesting when you try to get like new people on camera. because I was feeling what you were feeling there, Gary, and after like the first or second or after the second video I was like, it's my speaker-0: You did pretty good 'cause the first video you did on camera was the scra was a scratch on a bag. You actually did pretty good on that. speaker-1: I did. Yeah, I don't know. I was just I was just feeling it. I don't know. speaker-3: W was your video the one like shoot under ninety? Yeah. I watched that one. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Got close. Do we got the speaker-3: Five viewers now. speaker-0: So you know, I'm I'm take a slight digression and just say it's as I sit here and I'm looking at Marcus and I'm looking at three different camera angles, LED panels. we go look at Ocalo that we shot was your first round speaker-1: I w speaker-0: you alluded to earlier that you you were shanking balls left and right, all shot on iPhones and you know, we don't have a lot of followers and a lot of this gear is because of our other ventures. But You know, I I like to think we're putting a decent quality out for where we stand in the YouTube world. speaker-1: Break. speaker-3: Well and as you've captioned it and as we've always said it, we are amateur dads. Like this is not our jobs except speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: You. Yeah. But aside from everything else, yeah. I mean I mean speaker-3: Sure, did it his job? speaker-1: But we're all in the same boat. speaker-3: Like like we've talked about it earlier. You played four rounds all year after maybe got six and they were scrambles so none even true rounds and you know we've talked you're low on your normal by this time of the year of rounds. Our lives are just so insane right now. speaker-0: Yeah, it is. I wanna get on that, but let's hold that thought. one thing we haven't talked about yet was hydration break. speaker-3: yes. There you go. Speed I need a speed. speaker-1: Is anybody getting water? speaker-0: I think it's speaker-3: Told Andrew I Hey, I stopped sweating. I'm little scared right now. I'm about to I'm about to pass out. I I have sweating. speaker-0: We've talked about the heat and you standing up and everything, but I will be honest, I think that is the first time that I also felt heat. Like I the midam is always in the dead of summer. It's always around August time frame. So like I've played in that heat and you're walking in those. I I think it was hole nine, they came around, the Bev cart finally came around. I grabbed, you know, a protein bar and some other stuff. And I even told Jason on the mics, I was like, I had an all day meeting getting ready for a presentation and they didn't order because I don't eat gluten, they didn't order the food that I wanted. So I ended up getting like a brisket sandwich where all I could eat was the brisket brisket. That's all I had for lunch. Yeah. I didn't prep, I wasn't drinking all day. I was drinking coffee because I'm in an all day meeting, half asleep, like trying to prepare for this. Right. That heat was bad. And this summer has been bad in general. It's been a hot summer. I don't know how that's impacted the course at all. speaker-2: Nothing. Other than be because of what is expected here. we're still green. fairways, T's, greens are as green as it gets, rough is as green as it gets. And then the moment you get into the native, you could lose a small child in some of the cracks that are out there. but that's that that is the Texas heat, that's the Texas summer. We haven't had rain in what, sixty five days? This one in this area 'cause it splits over Lake Louisville. So I speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. speaker-0: Every time. I want to touch on that crack comment. just 'cause it's funny. We I came out here what a month later with some buddies and played for a friend's birthday and two of the guys had whatever they had money on this. We did talk about this in the podcast. and I gave one of a favorable ruling because it was hole we were on the west. speaker-2: Yep. speaker-0: hole seventeen. He hit it over across the car path. Okay. Over the green cross the car path and there's some cracks there. Yeah. His feet were on the cracks. He probably could have put a club on the ball. And I almost did just to prove that he could. But I was like, no, you can you can move balls technically if it's you know this wide, blah blah blah, USJ allows you, all that fun stuff. but it it brings up a good point that even a course like this that's that nice. Yeah. You have areas that aren't great, you just shouldn't be playing for them those areas. speaker-2: Should not be playing composers, precisely. speaker-0: What about what about traffic? I mean this summer has traffic been fine even with the speaker-2: It's the busiest we've ever been. Wow. That's crazy. I mean we're still doing even in the summer we were pushing you know, somewhere around eighty rounds on the east every day and we were pushing up over about a hundred every r every day on the west, hundred rounds on the west every Do you guys speaker-3: Just regulate pace of play. speaker-2: We do, yeah. So for for for us pay supply standards and we've this is it's it's a back and forth topic for us. it's something that we we have consulted with Whistling Straits, Pebble Beach. all of the top courses in the country on how do you how do you regulate pace when somebody's paying upwards of five hundred dollars for a round of golf, right? Like how how do you tell that person, I need you to play faster? and it's really come down because you don't want to hurt their experience. But for us it's come down to no, we don't want to hurt this one guest experience, but we we also don't want to hurt the 70 other guests behind them that are playing and not wanting to play slow as well, who also paid the exact same amount of money. doesn't matter what time of day you play. and so that's kind of how we approach it is, you know, we really focus on trying to give a few warnings, trying to give, you know, can you get twenty, you know, get get back to pace here in the next couple holes. And if not, let's get a shuttle going. Let's how can we help you? Let's maybe give some more gimme's to the group or whatever the case is. And that's kind of how we try and approach what our pace of play is. And and at a certain point, if if we have to move a group, we will. You know, because we again we're willing to say if we have to sacrifice a group To save the betterment of the golf course we will. Yeah. speaker-0: I I honestly appreciate that about a golf course, and I think I'm probably not the person to ask because I'm a fast player. We you and I talked about that when we played together. I think we zoomed around the course in like three hours, right? It's I like marshals, I like just pushing. Sometimes it's annoying, and sometimes, especially on the West course, because you have what hole 15 is that downhill driveable par four, if I remember correctly. you have a couple drivable par four. speaker-2: Eight and fifteen, there's two on each course that are driven. speaker-0: Yeah, so it I get people waiting, and that adds because you again this good store, it's that whole shrink the game type conversation. You have some people that think they can play better than they actually can, so they wait, and same with par fives. So I can see how it backs up a course, and when you're a resort course, which I'm a terrible host because I regret it where I missed all that. I was missed to miss all that of you know it. This is an omni course. Yeah. we are at Omni Frisco. You have the east course, the west course, you have the swing out here, which is a ten hole part three. Yep. I mean it is a golf destination and you are worried about the hundred people behind that group. speaker-2: You have to be, right? And 'cause again, the exper everybody wants the same experience. So you can't let one person affect ninety others. You just can't. even from a business standpoint you can't do it. you wouldn't make any money if you did. you'd be issuing a lot of refunds. speaker-3: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, it's it's tough. but I'm glad that the heat hasn't pushed out that's actually shocking. Yeah. That people are still getting out here and playing in the dead of dead of the summer. but we are it seems like we're making a turn at least. Decent weather coming up. I saw a high of like seventy eight towards the back end of this week, so speaker-3: Got some thunderstorms coming through. speaker-2: Yeah, that'll help. speaker-3: Cool it off. 'Cause it it's kinda funny 'cause earlier in the summer and Andrew's like, Yeah, we're gonna have to get out there and play and I'm like, it's like a hundred and forty and he goes, That's when it slows down, that's when we gotta play. That's when I shut it down. I'll see you in October. You know speaker-0: Man, when we when Andrew and I talked and we said, Okay, we're gonna do a Twilight Tea Time one, I'm working, so that's perfect for me. Andrew worked, so that's perfect, right? Like it fit. Jason didn't care 'cause he was off for the summer anyways. speaker-1: sorry I can't do seven a.m. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: I can I can promise you if you guys would have said we're playing at Ocala or at Firewall, I have said, Y'all have fun. I'll watch the video. Okay, so that way you speaker-2: I gotta bash my old course like that. speaker-3: I grew up playing firewall, that's my favorite golf course ever, but you know, the old course at firewheels it's just wide open. Okay. speaker-0: But we do have to talk about this 'cause this was kinda funny and I really appreciated it about Gary. This whole video kinda came up in a pool party that was my s it was what we call the girl gang, right? But you were in Scotland and Mark doesn't play golf. Yeah. So it was me, Andrew and Kyle talking about this and we're like, Well let's go do this And twenty four hours later or before the video, Kyle's like, Man, work is pressing me like And he's he does construction in the school world. So summer's their really busy time. So obviously I'm like, okay, cool, great. So Andrew and I start texting each other, I'm like, okay, do we pivot to just a three man thing? Do we roll Marcus into this? Like, we can figure something out. I texted Gary morning of I actually speaker-3: I text him. You call me I see, let's go. He was like speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-3: Dude, I am swamped. And speaker-0: He was a sl speaker-3: you're like, how many how many opportunities do you get to play this course? I'm like, You're right, I'll figure it out. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: It was I had totally forgot that he was in Scotland for two weeks prior. So he was in Scotland, gone, and then gets home, goes to work. I'm texting him that Sunday night or whatever it was. And I was like, Hey man, like we need we need a fourth. He doesn't respond till the morning. He was like, dude, like I gotta work. I was like, No, dude, like come on, it it's the East Course. We're doing this, like and he it was like thirty minutes later he was like, Alright, I'm in. speaker-3: Yeah, I had to take it s I told my b like I I sent a team shout to my boss and he's like cool do it go He goes, You got plenty of of time off. and I had l I think I had three appointments set and I just sent emails. I'm like, Hey I'm gonna have cancel. I didn't tell him why, I'm just like, Yeah, I'm gonna have to cancel, cancel, cancel. speaker-0: Well I I appreciate your I appreciate your willingness because I was a little concerned going in and was like, We're gonna have to pivot. Like even that day I'm trying to figure out what kind of game we're gonna play to make this video interesting. speaker-3: And on my side of the fence, I didn't know the full concept. I was not around for the concept of the video. Actually I just came speaker-2: It's great. speaker-3: up with a little I'm like, we're gonna play eighty percent of his shots. Maybe I'll get one in there if he like shanks one and I'll be the savior and hit one, you know. Well I think speaker-0: I think we've full circled this. it wasn't eighty percent Andrew. speaker-3: Yeah. I would say it was it was heavy, Andrew. speaker-0: I mean From T to green. Yeah. Or maybe like approach to green, it was heavy, Andrew. Yeah. But y'all took a decent amount of your T shots. speaker-2: I remember Gary, I needed John Ten buddy. I'm so happy you're back. speaker-3: That was fun I was not quite I was not quite ready to swing yet. And then speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: I saw I walked back seventy yards to the cart to get my driver And speaker-0: Well that's where it went downhill. speaker-3: it barely landed in play the shot I did. I guess that's speaker-0: Great, we could play speaker-1: It's a bit. speaker-0: it. That's where it really went downhill because Jason and I made the turn. I'm forgetting. I think we were around one over, two over at that point. Like we were actually kind of decent. Yeah. But the whole back nine, we double bogeyed that hole, and it was pressure every single shot. And we're trying to be aggressive and we're trying to do this and that. And I will now say, anyone that is falling behind. in the P J Championship, pressing on this course is gonna be very difficult. speaker-2: But especially making the turn there, that stretch from twelve through fourteen can absolutely kill ya. speaker-0: Well and you you think most courses have their Friday pens. They know they're setting it up so people can make birdies and make the cut. Yep. I struggle to see a Friday pen location on seventy percent of these screens. There's some. Yeah. Like hole one, right? That front left, okay. That's a burritable location. Anywhere else on that green, speaker-2: Yeah, it's gonna be tough. speaker-0: it's tough. Yeah. I don't know how the course is gonna lay it out to where people can really shoot and grab a four or five under a round to make the cut. speaker-2: With any kind of wind, I don't know that again, I've seen we've had we've had multiple tour players come out and play and play videos early again when the course was the course is now six years old. We've been open for three, but the course is six years old. But in that first year the course was only four years old, it was still maturing. Hard Greens. I mean I watched the Hits Gala come out here and play with Michael Morris and play from I don't know, maybe five hundred yards less than what we played it at, probably about seventy two hundred or so, and shoot the smoothest sixty six I've ever seen in my life. You know, it's like just go watch that video. And it it just like it you're like, how are you that good? Like it was coming right off as he went in each day and he drove up the next day, met Micah on the T and was like, All well let's go, let's roll. And then he goes out and shoots sixty six. You know, with a caddy who one of our one of our house caddies who again gave him great reads. Yeah. He hit it right on the line and and was making everything he looked at. So it's very gettable. No. speaker-0: But you bring you bring up a good point. He played it from seventy two. if I am correct, and you can fact check me because Andrew likes to fact check me. I did speaker-3: Marcus said he will. speaker-0: as much YouTube research as I could. Yeah. Has anyone played from those T's on YouTube? speaker-2: No, not officially. speaker-0: There we go. So we are speaker-3: That's our bragging right now. speaker-1: That's right. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: A a podcast, a YouTube channel with sub a hundred subscribers is the first one to play from the true PJ Championship D's. Absolutely. It was a blast, it was a lot of fun. we definitely have to do it again. I will be Gary. I vote I get Gary. speaker-1: That's fine. speaker-3: So one of the interesting facts. speaker-0: I'll do a five sum, me and Andrew versus you three. That works speaker-3: Works too. So speaker-1: There you go. We'll take speaker-3: something I thought was was really cool, Andrew was talking about, you know, the course setup and the architecture, and he goes, He goes, we intentionally designed the T boxes to make you feel uncomfortable. Yeah. That speaker-2: Yeah, Gil Gil Hans did. speaker-3: level like 'cause I don't know if you thought about or even think it. I go, man, I just feel like and Andrew's like, that's intentional. speaker-2: Yeah, so Gail Hans, the architect of the East Course, he wanted everybody to think every single shot. Not fairway, not greens, not approaches, not bunkers. It was T to green. So no, our T boxes are now they are somewhat level in the in the places that we played from, but they're not flat. And they're not flat on purpose. which I love. I'm a gol off architectural nerd when it comes to I love golf course architecture and why bunkers are in places and why is this Why is this hazard here? And why is this, you know, why does the rough come out here and it's the reason for some bunkers behind greens like, why would they put a bunker there? Well, it's actually to help you, right? You think it's a penalty, but it's actually to help you not go in the water. That's why they put that bunker back there or whatever the case is. speaker-0: Well and speaker-3: It's subtle. speaker-0: and absolutely well two things there. One, maybe I'm so used to playing on crappy municipal courses that I don't even notice an une even spot. speaker-2: Yeah, that's right. speaker-3: it's good. No, I think that was smart, it's just camera building. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: I don't I don't remember a level anyway. speaker-3: I don't remember feeling comfortable. And I think I told Andrew, I'm like, I I just don't feel comfortable. One, it's because you know it's my fifth round on a new set of clubs. Yeah. Yep. and not playing that often and it's a thousand degrees. But I mean also the but the way the course is designed and him giving me that you know, coming at it from the very like twenty to twenty five handicap or you don't think about a lot of things. And you're like No, The subtle ups, downs, the just a little, you know, just you know, two inches above your feet. Like speaker-0: Well, a as much golf as like I've been lucky enough to play and travel and play some courses. I I'm not as much of a golf architecture nerd as I as you would probably think, but I do know like Pete Dye does a very similar where his T shots, you see all of this danger, but if you stand on the green and look back at the T, you see none of it. speaker-2: I see a single. speaker-0: You don't see a single sand trap. Like you go play Stone Bridge Die course, hole one has I think That massive bunker to the left, a couple of other bunkers, and you go stand on that T box and look back and it just looks like Fairway and Clubhouse. Like it is so it's crazy how golf architecture works like that and you don't really think about those little nuances. speaker-2: Absolutely. speaker-1: like is that number ten T box where we played from where I w we said, Yeah, we're gonna walk on top of this halfway house. What do you mean on top of it? And so it just I was just kinda thinking of how that's gonna be in tournament play and where people can stand and watch speaker-2: Yeah, I'm right on the back terrace there and it's just gonna be fully engulfed in the moment. speaker-0: I can imagine Omni balconies are just gonna be packed with people. Just just for whole chaos. Chaos. speaker-2: the adult pool is getting absolute kill. speaker-0: That that that would be a great vantage point. You'd speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: think of like right where that corner splits, like getting that one of those corner sweets and being able to see both T and approach shot. speaker-2: Wrigley rooftop vibes. speaker-1: man, it's yeah. speaker-3: Yeah, I just started to think on some of those houses that are going up out and like, y'all bit y'all need to get it done. Yeah. We need it done by May speaker-2: Yeah, absolutely. But you need to get it higher too to to get it over the grandstands to be able to see the golf course. speaker-1: This is gonna pop up. speaker-3: I mean there's some speaker-2: Beautiful home. speaker-0: When are y'all gonna start setting up grandstands? speaker-2: probably around January. So we already the tent is already here. The tent I was actually in the tent the other day and it was like looking up at a skyscraper just full of scaffolding. I was I was I constantly taken aback about how much was in there and that's not even all of it. They've got trailers all over the place already. my gosh. speaker-0: Again, don't don't feel obliged to answer anything. but like player facilities. I'm assuming you're gonna build out a whole locker room because big enough to handle speaker-2: taking our locker room. So yeah, we actually we actually in our in our contract this whole clubhouse is essentially becomes player player locker rooms. This office that we're in right now will probably be one of the broadcast like producer offices so like we we lose our assistance office this whole clubhouse is we don't get access to it during the championship speaker-0: Okay. speaker-2: So like for senior for when we opened the the actual pro shop was caddy dining. speaker-0: So is is the West and the Swing open during the championship? So everything's closed. speaker-2: So the cool part about you guys were here, you warmed up a little bit. Our our chipping in our short game area is not the biggest when it comes to day in and day out play, but when we bring in a big championship, holes one, two, eight, nine, and ten of the swing are the short game area and warm up for the championships. So we completely shut those down. Swing gets shut down and then they can ch chip and pitch and hit whatever full swing shots they want for on on any of those holes. speaker-0: Well, we know you have plenty of putting practice here. I mean you have what, an acre worth of putting greenhouse? speaker-2: Yeah, it's about two and a half football fields long. and you know that's free to the public. if you do come out and play though, I don't suggest putting on that one. That's Zoja, Diamond Zoja, but we do have one of the biggest putting facilities in the country. free, completely free to the public. come out, ball, putter. Doesn't cost you a dime to come out and putt fifty four holes of of putt putt without the dinosaurs and giraffes and just a bunch of hills and go get some ice cream. That's what it was all that was all I'm gonna tell a little story about. The whole property was built around Margaret Scoops and Cones, which our owner, Bob Rowling, that's his granddaughter's name, was Margaret. and so essentially the entire facility was built around the ice cream shop where mother, daughter Father, son, come out, get a cup of ice cream, get an ice cream cone, go all the way around, see the people putting, go, what do I do here? What is that? They learn they can go rent a putter in a ball for five dollars. and then we have the Ronnie Golf Parks to get them into junior golf, then come back full circle, high school golf, baby college golf, come back, play in a championship. So it was all designed around that ice cream. Yeah. speaker-0: I didn't know that. That's awesome. That's a great story. That ice cream is really good too. speaker-3: Well it's something I heard and I never thought of t to even think about doing this. You two were talking about a staycation here. Like hanging out. I'm like, man, Lindsay and I need to probably do that and I'll sneak off and go play golf and she can go get a massage. And speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: I mean speaker-3: all that's on there and I'm like, Man, maybe we can get everybody up here just to hang out one weekend. speaker-1: That is what speaker-2: Yeah, absolutely. speaker-1: it is. speaker-3: No, this place it it it's kind of fun because I think back to like when I drove in, it's the first time I've been up here. and going back to the heat when I pulled in there's an ambulance out front. So I'm like, heat exhaustion, somebody's that's me. Like they knew that I was coming and this ambulance is here. on there, but you know, it's as soon as I pulled in and you're all like, you valet, big big guy, and I'm like, I didn't know. I just valeted. The guy was super nice. Cart guy super nice, walk in, amazing. on there and then tonight when we came I got a little confused on where we were going. The staff over at the hotel absolutely it's like top notch. It's like Being in the service industry years ago, and s like I thought services died. and then you come here and I'm like, Man, there is hope for the service industry. So this this place is amazing. speaker-0: It really is. I recommend anyone to come here. We did a staycation. I didn't play. We didn't do spa. We ended up going some other places. But we ate here. We drank here. it it's a great, great spot to be. Yeah. So y'all have done a great job. Appreciate it. we will get in. I wanted to get into your comment about the lack of play. man, I so I will say I I haven't played much and I told Jason this and Marcus what probably six, seven weeks ago, I think on a podcast. I feel like I've gotten where I want in golf. because I don't play much, but when I have played, it's all been sub eighty rounds. I don't think I've logged anything over this year out of the five, six rounds I've played now. I have one goal left in my golf adventure, which is really break seventy. I would love to do that at some point, but I'm not practicing near enough. But I think it would be a waste of a podcast to not talk parenting and dad life. Because we have speaker-3: Except kids? speaker-0: Yeah, we have eleven kids. I did the math and I might be a little wrong on some of this, but I think there's fifty four years of parenting out of all of us. because we had J he's only Jason speaker-3: Change it. speaker-0: Four of those years in and of itself. But we have eleven kids, I think seven girls, four boys, you know, two college students, one's graduated, one's about to graduate, one that's engaged now. sorry guys. speaker-1: I'm blowing the cloud exactly. speaker-2: Exactly. speaker-3: Go. speaker-0: Well, and we come from just a very diverse background, right? I'm a blended family. Jason has, you know, older kids and a young kid now. You started later on life. Really you two are the normal ones out of out of the two of them five of us here. so wan I don't wanna, you know, waste this opportunity. I wanna talk, you know, what it is to be a present father because I see Andrew I mean, let me back up because it's not fair to miss Gary first. Gary's the assistant coach on the girls' soccer team, so he's there every day, obviously. I see Andrew show up to every game in his work outfit and splitting off as soon as it's over. you know, obviously I'm there doing the media stuff as much as I can. So we're all present. We've talked on a podcast. You're now coaching your kids. Jason is probably two years away from being in speaker-2: I'm just gonna be an observer. speaker-0: So I I just wanna talk through, you know, what it really means to be what I'm gonna call this millennial dad, 'cause I think all of us are mainly millennials either on the older young Xer, but speaker-3: Gin X dead. speaker-0: you know, what does it mean to be a present father to you, to your kids and how is that different from how you were raised? speaker-3: I you know, I I'm a Gen X kid. I grew up grew up in you know, I was born in the seventies, grew up in the eighties. latchkey kid, daycare at kindergarten just turned loose. Both parents were so it's like figure it out. on there and then, you know, having a daughter later in life, forty eight, you know, I turned fifty four in a couple weeks. on there. it's kinda funny, everybody's like, You got a five year old? I'm like, Yeah, I got a five year old. I go. Only first, last. she's it, like she's my world. and and trying to learn that and then feeling through you guys who have been doing it for a while, it's like Lindsay and I look at each other, I'm like, Are are we doing this right? on there and it's it's you know, you don't really think about it, you know, on there. It's just like we want her to be like front and center. We want to make sure she's taken care of. and you know, both working full time and then the cool thing is is Lindsay and I both work virtually. so we can both go pick her up from kindergarten. and then it's like race to cheerleading and then straight to tumbling and then Tuesday it's race to soccer practice, Wednesday soccer practice with the Goddard girls. and then Thursday game, Friday only day off, Saturday game. so she she pretty much consumes our time. and and I love it. she c she's got me wrapped. I mean she knows it too. and I think some of you guys kinda kinda see it. I mean you see like some of the the fit she raged and we just let her get we're like, man, we waited too long. It's like Learning from you guys is is is tough too, but I love it. You know, you always go back and wish you could have started earlier at at you guys' age, but you know, it wasn't the plan for me. until later. So that I mean that's all I got. But I mean I enjoyed it's hard. everybody's like, hey, how about number two? And I'm like, No, I don't retire in in like two years. Like I wanna be done. 'cause I've pretty much got it timed out so when Scotty graduates, hopefully hopefully she's an athlete. If not, I'll love her for whatever she does. but being a you know, a collegian athlete and a professional athlete, I want her to get into athletics. and I've got it timed out to when I retired, Lindsay keeps working. speaker-1: I got the R I got it. speaker-3: But I got the RV and Lindsay can fly in on weekends. So if it's like soccer or baseball or golf, I you know, I've really wanted to play golf. on there. And it's tough. Lindsay like enjoys going to the games, but when we're sitting at home, Lindsay's not my wife is not a sport. She's like, Yay, sports. when we're at home I have to sneak and she's and like I've been like programmed my twenties and thirties, like my channel was ESPN. That was it. I mean it's it's our transition. I'm on there. Sorry, I went on like speaker-2: What bull? speaker-3: I went like everywhere on there. Yeah, Bluey. speaker-2: Not from the ESPN. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-3: It's all speaker-1: As a hall control speaker-2: Yeah, how's that you better get some good phone quality? speaker-1: No. speaker-3: So speaker-1: Well we were watching Toy Story Five while I was watching college football on my phone. So that's what it comes down to. speaker-0: I was doing that today. Bella was watching. Bella speaker-3: She's speaker-1: No. speaker-0: had the big screen. I was watching President's Cup on my phone for a little speaker-2: But speaker-0: bit. But no, I mean you said a lot of things in there. you know, and I think we all learn from each other. I I think I'm we've talked about this in nauseum on the podcast. I'm definitely the type A hard ass dad that's how I was raised, and I try to change that. I will say like I love watching him parent his kids and I have kids older than him and I kinda wish I could start over because he's amazing with, you know, the kids from the playful dad perspective, you know, and then you get the Andrew. It it pisses me off to to all end speaker-1: Whoa. So I love it. speaker-0: So speaker-3: Andrew's girls every day I'm like one of my favorite things to do is like you know, is is that Parker when That's right. Like Parker all this I'm like, man, my day gets a whole lot better when I get Parker like that. speaker-0: I love the two of but it's like his ability to teach and get through to the kids is something that I can only wish I could get. 'Cause I I mean I tried to teach Bella how to swim for months on months on end. We're speaker-3: Not gonna go on the swimming. speaker-0: all yeah. speaker-1: I can't swim! speaker-0: Gary almost drowned her daughter speaker-3: I did not almost shine your daughter. You've gotta alert somebody when you come over that your daughter doesn't speaker-1: We were speaker-0: We were at Gary's and he thought she could swim. She jumped in and s speaker-1: She acted like she knew what she could do. speaker-0: But no, we're at the we're at the pool par at our community pool and Andrew is like, I'll teach her how to swim and next thing we know she knows how to swim. It's like so we always pick up little things from everyone around us. So I appreciate your comment, but I'm gonna give it a round as well because it's it's a group effort and we've talked a lot on a podcast about like The Chosen family. Like, we love our families. I don't have brothers. I only have two sisters. So, like, this group of guys, like, I love having them in my life because it helps me be a better person because I'm learning maybe I need to be a little softer. Maybe my delivery isn't good here or there. I will say, it'd be nice to have more boy dads because speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: I you had two girls. You have a girl. speaker-1: I'm trying to speaker-0: Younger than me. speaker-3: It yeah, I go back and I have like two amazing parents. I just wanna shout out to my mom. She passed away last week, but they were amazing parents growing up. They were always there. For any sporting event, I would say I was not spoiled, but spoiled. Like I didn't get everything I wanted. But if there was a need, it was there. Yeah. playing baseball, it was not just generic lessons. It was one of the best guys we could find. It was Not just a Walmart glove, it was top shelf glove, good bats, so they were there and I try to emulate some of that on there, but I tend to find myself like helicoptering, and then hanging out with you guys like at Tupps, yeah, and just letting the girls go crazy and I'm like, where's my daughter? speaker-1: You can't You can't take another fight! Let speaker-3: Why can't we? speaker-1: him go. speaker-3: You can speaker-0: I take what Casey and I do. Bella is our third feral child. Like at this point, I think she could go live by herself and she'd be perfectly fine. speaker-1: We were at the rodeo, those kids found like I said, hey, I'm gonna go get food for y'all. I think I I think it was getting Grayson something. I just see this group this pack of kids. Marcus, then your two kids and Grayson, and they're coming around just looking for me and they found me. I was like, hey guys, you guys gotta you guys gotta give back to mom. Like I'm not gonna watch you here. It's like okay, just wanna make sure you had this. I'm like, I got money, son. Like just get out of here. man, I just remember seeing them. I was like, man, who's letting their kids out? I was like, that one's my speaker-2: Start down heads. speaker-1: Yeah, I'm doing it. speaker-3: No, it it's like fun like coaching the girls in soccer. It's like you know, and you know, last year Parker practiced a lot with and it's like Andrew's got the most well behaved, like, daughters in the world. I'm like, how do you do that? My daughter's the w the whiner and the crier. Like if something something goes wrong, I can remember looking at Alex going, man Like Scotty just has meltdowns in the middle of a soccer game, just like screaming. I'm like w I d I I don't even know why she's crying right now. on there and then you you know, you got you got Bella just flying around the field like crazy. Yeah. on there, but then you know, like feeding off of it and and like you said, it's just kind of learning. Like watching other parents and how they handle their kids. 'cause she's our first, like speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: and we we think we're doing a terrible job, but she's still alive. speaker-2: She's gonna make speaker-0: But I think it goes it it goes back full circle to the comment of looking at your golf swing, like you think you're doing amazing, then you you look at and you're like I'm not doing great. It's speaker-3: That's like speaker-0: not about the form, it's about you know the function. Are we getting the result we want, then we're fine. It might not be perfect, like none of us are perfect. I do a hundred things a day that I probably don't need to do when it comes to parenting, but it it works sometimes, so speaker-3: And and my goal is as long as she's a good human being at the end of the day, is be respectful, yep, be kind. It's you know, thank you, no ma'am, yes ma'am, yes sir, holding doors open, you know, that that's kinda how I was raised by my dad. And you know, we fall off the rails sometimes. but that's my hope for us to be a good human. speaker-2: well she's supposed to learn if you don't fall off the rails a couple of times, right? Like Yeah. That's that's kind of similar. I I when I the way I grew up was again, mom, dad both worked same thing, just kindergarten on and just childcare and so for us it was kind of the same thing. It was just we both work and working in golf has has proposed it's poses challenges for sure. just as far as working weekends, working nights. Sarah's been Truly my wife Sarah's been the rock of our family, just to l literally just keep us afloat at times. in my young golf career, just trying to make it from a long journey of a weapons instructor in the Air Force who didn't know what he was gonna do to taking his passion for teaching and throwing that into golf and hoping it stuck against the wall. And now here I am a PJ professional. it took a long time and you know it it takes a it takes a community, man. speaker-3: And I will say Sarah's like, Man, she's an amazing human. Like she's always thinking about not herself. No, for sure. That's the world. And you as humans we're in we're innately selfish. Yeah. and being around that, you just kinda push. So you always try to surround yourself with people that are gonna bring speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: you up. Push away those people that are gonna bring up. speaker-2: someone who doesn't think about herself enough. but as far as the girls, like they you you laugh say they're the most well behaved humans of all time. Like that's that's not the case all the time. When we have that conversation, I think maybe three or four times a week I look at my wife and I say, you know, they are pretty awesome. You know, you have a tough day and I think it's always important to just reflect on man, we have some awesome kids. And I think we all everybody can at at a certain point go, our kids are pretty awesome, all in their own way, all in how they interact with each other and interact with their friends and yeah, at the end of the day, like just be a good human being. Don't Don't be a bully. Don't do all the things that I'd I'd love to see get some comments about just how how it is being a teacher and seeing other kids and how you then take that to your own kids. But yeah, it's life is life is pretty pretty on a fast track right now as far as what it what it takes. speaker-0: And it's easy to fall into the pessimistic side of it. you know, I I'm gonna get crap from these two as soon as I stay this comment. But it's exactly you know what I joke about on the golf course of being pin high. Like it it's it's speaker-1: It's speaker-2: It is true. speaker-1: all your respect. speaker-3: Depends on where you're where you're hitting. speaker-0: For me it's it's perspective and I if I tell myself, Hey, it was it was the right shot, just maybe not the right shape or you know, maybe it was just a a little off the toe, this or that. It's just for me it's my way of moving past the bad in the shot and it's like, Okay, it it's been high, I'm not bad here. Like I got a good shot, even that whole thirteen, like we're joking and I'm like, it's just a chip speaker-1: And he's like, that's more of a pin is speaker-0: For for me that's just my way of being like, look, we're not that bad off. Like we're we got a good shot. We got the whole green to work with. Like let's just go put one close and make the putt. It it's just that that positive perspective. and it it just goes into parenting so much too, because I'm with Andrew like I think six days out of the week we're cussing our kids out after they go to bed thinking, what the heck? Like what are we doing wrong? You get a bad note from school, like bad play bad in a game, they're not focused, they're yelling, screaming, whatever. And you start to realize like, Okay. Like you get that feedback from a friend that's like, your kid was so good. Like they came over. they can come over anytime. They're amazing. And you're like, Okay, we're doing something right. Like it it's I think it's really easy to be critical. speaker-2: And for us, like there's so many times I I look at Sarah I'm like, she's five. She's seven. You know, at at a certain point like, all right, we're talking about five and seven year olds. Like they're not that bad. Like and we're still developing our brain at this point. And how and how we how they put out their emotions. I think for me, that's been the the biggest challenge as a dad is learning how to understand the kids' emotions and how they how do they tell me that they're angry or what do they need? Like one of them needs a hug, one of them, you know, just needs to be tickled to get her mind off of it so you can at least then talk to her. Yeah. You know, it's learning those different things about your kids I think is just so important as a parent to not not get frustrated with yourself, right? You're gonna get frustrated with your kids. Like it is part of being a parent, but try not to get frustrated about yourself. speaker-3: And it's co-paring too. It's like like it it takes both 'cause Lindsay's pretty amazing at she's like, hey, like you're a little harsh, you're a little you know, on that and then Lindsay's really structured. She's you know, she's the type A organized and I'm just like the take it as it goes. Like she's like, you know, we go on vacations, like every hour's planned. I'm like, make sure you pop in a day there where it's there's nothing going on. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-3: To where we can sleep in if we want. Or if you know, if we want to go get a beer we go here. She's like, I got you. It's it's funny. speaker-2: Plan it your no plan is planned. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-3: And in my no plan. speaker-0: Well it's funny you say that because we have talked about that and out of the five of us, I'm probably the only one that's opposite in their marriage where I'm I'm the planner, I'm the type A. and and Casey is a godsend because she calms me down. Like she's she's the one to look at me and like, Stop. Like you're you're being a little mush, like calm down a little bit, like it'll be fine. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-3: the planner in our family. Shelby's speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-3: It's funny though that you bring up the frustration and getting disappointed and you're just like upset at yourself with parenting and that he Miles is my third. I said we got I got two adult kids and you know, there are things that I've tried to change with Miles, but even just this week she'll be like, You're a little firm and stern with him and he's two, but I'm like, I For me, I'm like I'm setting the boundary. Like it's just it's setting the tone so he knows when I say it this way, he's gonna be a little bit more in line. But there are so many times where sh you know, we get just little things from school or he's just not eating and or not doing things and she's you could tell she's just getting overwhelmed and frustrated and I'm sitting here going like, He's fine. No. He will be okay. He's two years old, he'll make it. Like I don't have a blueprint. Obviously if I did I would sell it and I wouldn't be speaker-1: Yeah, probably. speaker-2: But speaker-3: but it's just yeah, I mean every kid is a new rule book. Yep. And you just have to accept it. And then I sit back and like, okay, I got one who's graduated, she's on a good career track. The other one's gonna be on a career track, graduate college and she's engaged. And then I'm Miles he's his own person. And I'm not worried about it, but I'll you know, things get aligned, we'll we'll steer Yeah. But I've definitely taken more of the try to be a little a little more relaxed and not be f so frustrated about things and just try to have the conversations, try to understand him a little bit more. Sure. And I feel like at times I'm his interpreter. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-3: Like he's this is what he wants. So those are things that we've just been working on. but yeah, I'm not the playful like I'll play with them but I'm not going crazy with them. Yeah. 'Cause I'm like dude, I'm almost I'm gonna be fifty years old. Like I speaker-1: I don't need to be doing this. My body hurts to get off. speaker-2: Or some. speaker-0: So I'm like, speaker-3: Still your pain being the being the fifty three year old in him. speaker-0: How does that you know, we talked about lack of golf between all of us. Yeah. you know, how does that change how we approach wanting to play time away? because I think it is important for kids to still see like parents chase something for themselves and to be for mental health to be resetting. so what is that how do you kind of balance that line? speaker-2: It's hard. I definitely have changed the way that I look at golf. When I first got into golf, no kids. If it wasn't eighteen holes, it didn't matter. It didn't count. It didn't it wasn't golf. If it wasn't a full eighteen hole round. and then once we had Parker, one kid, it was all right, if I can get nine holes in today then then I'll get nine holes in. then you had Ellis in. if I'm if I can go get two holes in, I am ecstatic. after a long day of work, I'll go play two holes and then go get the girls from school. Sounds good to me. I'll take it. I'll take what I can get. I've tried to fortunate enough to where we had the girls in after school care, so it was, you know, you get out of work at three and then you don't have to get till five. I could, you know, chip, putt, maybe get a range session and maybe play a couple of holes. That was my goal. and this year has been a little bit busier and the I Sarah and I had conversation about this the other day after the Castle Hills rounds. It was I said, Hey, I need to I really need to practice more. Let me tell you boys, that one did not go over well. It speaker-1: Okay. speaker-2: didn't go over well. It was you've played the most round of golf you've played in years, which is true. I've played the most rounds of golf that I've probably played in seven or eight years. But from a practice standpoint, what I was trying to explain to her a little bit was that's not practice at all the time. Like going out and playing shooting this video or going out and just to play for fun. You know, I'm gonna go out and play next week and but that's am I playing golf? Yes. Is that some form of practice? Yes. But for me to try and play at a somewhat competitive level, which I'm still learning how to do. Again, I didn't play high school golf. I didn't play college golf. I'm just a guy who is halfway decent at hitting a golf ball and trying to figure it out. I need to actually sit down and practice wedges one day and practice putting and it there's not enough time for it. but I've gotta find a way. You know, if I wanna actually how do I validate spending the money as a as a father, how do I s validate spending two, three hundred dollars to play at an event and then get no money back out of it? but then also ask for more time to go practice is is really hard. you know, and I always tell my students like It is all about what you put into it, right? If if if you were gonna go take lessons and you wanted to change not just for how your swimming looks on camera, but because it hurts your body, you're only gonna get as much out of it as you put into it. So if you go see an instructor once a week and then come back to that instructor the next week, but have not practiced in between, you're wasting your money. Yeah. A hundred percent. for sure. speaker-0: Sure. Well and I'd I'd say that you said something there that I'm I resonate with and then I'm gonna push back on. Yeah. Right. It's the why am I gonna go out and not make any money, right? And be gone for so long. And I think when I was out of work for the four months that I was, I was playing a ton and in my head I like, I wish I could like make money doing this, like I feel guilty doing this, like I'm I'm looking for jobs, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. and You know, I think that's why like I haven't played much because the whole Poppy Verde thing kind of took off after it started with the podcast and it kinda morphed and now we've I you know, the media business that's running it doing decently well, it's actually making money and it's like now all my time goes to that, but is that the mental reset, right? Is that does everything have to be money producing to make it worth being away from the family? now, don't get me wrong, I love going and shooting rodeo. For me that is mental reset. That's why I put so much time into it. I love shooting the girls. I mean, I spent KSE'll probably have a much different perspective. I showed Gary the video, you've been out running around, but I did a highlight reel of the girls' game yesterday from the video I shot. I love doing it and it was probably ten hours worth of work between yesterday getting the footage and the media and then editing it all the way through to this morning. Yeah. So for me the speaker-3: That was unappreciative 'cause he did it on the week that Scotty was out. speaker-0: Now I gotta do it again. speaker-2: Now he's gotta do it again. speaker-0: But but for me it's like that's a mental reset. So I'll push back on like I get what you're saying from if it doesn't make money, is it worth it? If it if it's a mental reset that is kind of worth it to some extent. speaker-2: without I I completely agree with that. Especially from just again, I'm gonna say this as as a casual golfer, without question, like but but set the expectations, right? Like I I'll one thing about golf that everyone I think has to remember is that it is a game, right? It was nice over there at Castle Hills they do have a sign that says, Just remember it's a game. At the end of the day it's a game. it's on the tenth T and it's that's why I always stress to everybody is it don't expect to go out and shoot seventy five if you've put zero work into it. Change the expectation and just let's go out and have fun. Play well. It can be frustrating when you don't play well, but go out and at the end the day it's a game. Like it's don't be the guy that gets super angry and and his friends don't want to invite him back because That that's that's not fun for anybody. If you if you lose a bunch of balls, you lose a bunch of balls, right? Go find somewhere for yours, you know. You know, it's always the game of can I can I bring home more than what I lost? could be a win, right? And so, but in your case where at at a certain point you were you were a good golfer. You still are a good golfer and I know you want to get back to that point at some point and yeah, put the effort in and and you can do it. And but you know the basics of doing it, right? Like speaker-0: Yeah, it's finding what it takes. Like you said, it's finding that time and for me I was even telling Casey like I've you know I've I've gotten my weight back to where I want, I've gotten my fitness back. But it's so hard to find the time. So it's like I'm I'm having to wake up at four in the morning just to find time to work out. Yeah. every you know, once, twice a week I'll go to IGP and hit balls at five in the morning until I gotta head to work at six thirty. Yeah. Finding the time to actually put the work in to get better because to shoot sub seventy, you gotta be on. I mean, my best round is is a seventy. And I think the difference in me going and doing that is the pressure's back on. Because like I said, all of my rounds have been sub eighty this year for the most part, if I remember correctly. And even you know I I took off on Friday and played with a buddy out of West Ridge and I think it's probably seventy five, seventy six, something like that. And but for me there's no pressure. Like I go out and it's like to your point, set your expectations. Yeah. I don't care. I might I might play bad, I might play good, I'm just gonna have a good time, we're gonna enjoy good conversation, we're gonna listen to some music, and it is what it is. I'm scared to pull that trigger and go back into competitive mode 'cause then golf again becomes a task instead of an outlet. speaker-2: Yeah, and enjoyment. speaker-3: Well I'm gonna tell you to go out and enjoy it 'cause you know, at at at fifty three I still think I can hit the ball three forty. you know, I grew up, you know, in high school playing Karsten too, persimmon woods. and then, you know, Taylor made it came out with a burner. And I'm like, what's that? Loud pitched ping. You know? and that error and then, you know, you blink and you're like fifty three. and you're playing with guys in their, you know, late thirties, forties They're just out bombing you and and to me it's a pride thing. Like I'm just like I think I'm stroking the ball and then Andrew steps up and it's just I'm like, All right, maybe you should just hit first every tee and then I'm just I'm just like out of shape. And you know, you're hitting many drivers like farther than I'm like, God dang man. I'm just like to me it's a pride thing. Like, you know, I'm not my thirties or twenties anymore. I you know, I could hit bombs back in the day. and I miss it, but to understand that like hey, you haven't worked out in while. You you got really overweight, and and come back down, but you know, the swing with the belly in the way versus a swing when you were speaker-2: Let me tell you speaker-3: like baseball player. It was a baseball swing. I'm just like, you know, and even watch Andrew out there playing, I'm like, there's a different sound and visual of the ball leaving the club face. I'm like, Wow, man, it's like it's pretty awesome to like to like watch your pure hits like leave the club face and I'm like Man, that's that's that's special. Well like to your point, it's like I mean, I didn't grow up playing golf either. I was all baseball. Yeah. And so, you know, I'd go up there and I'm I'm just up there, I'm just gonna hit it as hard as I can. And I'd hit bombs and great, but they may not be straight. But then as I've gotten older, back injuries, shoulder injuries, so now it's like I know I can't hit it far or as far as I would like to. So Or else can you change the game? And when I do practice or when I get a chance, it's I gotta f focus on the contact and just contact, contact, and then just short game. And that's I know where I'm gonna go and try to get the score better because I can hit it in play, but then it's where I that's where I collapse is in that midsection. And so I just take it a different approach and that's my expectation. And I know I'm not gonna go out and shoot lights out every time because I barely practice, barely get out. at any time I've given up going to the gym early. but that's more choice. Yeah. Like I can make it work. But yeah, it was a four AM three forty five alarm. Get up, go. But now with Miles it's just I want to be more there for him in the morning and just when he starts to get a little more independent, then I will gradually start to kinda absolutely recalibrate and kinda get back in because I do miss that part of it, just for the health side of it. For sure. And Yeah, and they go off hopefully fall back into play a little bit more, but Shelby's like, just go, go to the range, just let me know and I'm like But that's again my choice where it's like, nah, I kinda like staying at home on the couch. speaker-1: It's gonna be nice, waking and sleeping in speaker-3: And and you know, you go back and you think of those rounds like when you were younger and you like you know, you got paired up with a couple of like retiree guys and they're just sitting at like two twenty like right down the middle. Yes. And then, you know, they're like by the green and they're like parring every hole. Right. As you're like hitting bombs way left and ray right. At the end of the day they like beat you by four strokes and they never hit a ball over two twenty. speaker-2: Yeah, That's right. speaker-3: I'm like it's hard for me to come to grips like I'm starting to turn into like like just learn to hit it straight two forty five to two eighty and be happy. Yeah. and then you know to me it's like the short game and you guys made fun of me 'cause in the round I had the putter in the hand. Yeah. If we were within twenty yards of the I'm like speaker-1: Yep. speaker-3: These are pretty tight lies. Like if if you like mishit it here, it's either gonna go really long or you're gonna look dumb and it's gonna go like eight feet. speaker-2: You gotta remember speaker-3: I'm like, I'm just gonna p put it. speaker-2: Jack Nicholas always said, put it when you can, chip it when you can't putt, and pitch it when you can't chip. So there's nothing wrong with butting it from a fire. speaker-3: And that actually that's a problem I think a lot of these golfers now today, even probably some of the kids you get, they get wrapped up in this whole YouTube world or the pros, which of course that's their job. They practice these specific shots and you're trying to do it. And then just put speaker-1: Dang ball. speaker-3: right or, hey, it's okay to use a three wood out of start, speaker-1: Rough to put the ball, right? speaker-3: you know, getting, you know, variety there. speaker-2: Right. Absolutely. You know, and it's you don't we talk about expectations and golf expectations. I got a kid who I was teaching since he was a freshman in high school, he just left for college this year. He's gonna play at Holy Cross and you know, the biggest thing that I tried to teach to him was, you know, he would get upset with himself. You know, a a s a sixty yard shot, he'd be upset if it was if it was outside five feet or even ten feet. He'd be upset and I'm like, you have to realize that even the best players in the world aren't hitting it that close that often, right? And so Why then and and he was a he was a he's going to division two college to play golf. So why is our twenty five handicapper getting mad at not hitting it inside twelve feet from sixty yards? Like what let's golf wise, let's set our expectations to what speaker-3: Special. speaker-1: A hundred percent. speaker-3: It's reality. Like you know, perception, reality, they're pfft, they're off the ground. speaker-2: You know, and with that and you're talking about, you know, maybe you are the guy who's gonna hit at two forty and start trying to figure out how to hit down the middle. You know, part of the problem in in well, I say shrinking the game is understand that playing the correct set of Ts is okay, right? Like from from a golf professional's perspective, like our Ts aren't out here, they're not labeled by color, so you don't have the well the reds are the ladies' Ts or you don't have that. Ours are ours are numbered with rings. And so It doesn't matter what your skill level is, if you're not that great of golfer, it's okay. Go play the five Ts, which are our f our f all the way forward T's. That's okay. I've done that before. You do I love that I have a lot of things about Bryson, but like I love that Bryson has kind of almost allowed people to go do that. See how low you can go shoot from the forward T's. If you have the time, go s guess what? Go see how low you can shoot by teeing off at a hundred yards. speaker-3: Yeah. speaker-2: You know, that's what I've so like next year my practice plan is to start playing from start the year at a hundred yards out and then once I can break par from a hundred yards, move back to the front tees. From the front tees, can I break par? And that's gonna train me to play better and feel more comfortable playing under par throughout an entire round. speaker-0: Well, and I've actually thought about doing that. Like I said, my goal is to break seventy. I have considered do I bump up to those front tees or even the next speaker-3: Under speaker-0: and just get and just get used to pr break seventy from there, then break seventy from the next one after that and like get used to some of that scoring. speaker-2: At the end of the day, because even if even if you don't hit driver off of a T box, you still have to hit a good T shot, a good approach shot, a chip or a putt, and you still have to get it in the hole. So brain and like mentality is all still the same. Then it bec once we start moving back, then yes, we've got to learn how to hit the driver straight or the mini driver straight. We've got to get the T ball in play, but all of that is working up to that. And then so when you do have a little short chip on on a green side. You're not afraid of it. You've done that now fifty times leading up to that practice. So speaker-0: So we actually did a video playing from the front tees with that. I think we did irons only. so you know, again, maybe another video option of doing out here. 'Cause I I I think there's value in that to your point. Bryson's doing it, so why shouldn't we? Right. speaker-1: Me and Gary from the fronties. speaker-2: Mm-hmm. speaker-1: Me, Jason and Gary on speaker-0: Versus f us from where? speaker-1: the front tees. Gary on the back tees. I bet y'all would win. speaker-2: So scramble speaker-0: Ball or best ball? speaker-1: Wait, way tips on the plate speaker-3: We just speaker-1: or just the one like whatever. speaker-2: Whatever it's yeah yeah. I'll take it any day. speaker-0: We're going to the west course next time. speaker-1: You know what? It's a round of golf, so let's go let's just go. speaker-3: So we could we could go the the old course at Firewall because he knows it. Yeah we I grew up playing I learned how to play golf on the old course when it was the only and it's wide open. Yeah. Like there's only one time. So like I'm playing golf for the video. Okay. Yeah. speaker-0: That's right. She's all for it for that. speaker-2: I gotta if I I tell Sarah, hey, I'm gonna I gotta do something for Alex, she's like okay, no problem. You got it. speaker-3: Can't be there. He's a good guy. speaker-0: Yeah, the team wasn't the same without you this weekend. speaker-2: Who can speaker-3: Who subbed in? speaker-0: He sat on his be on the bench and just kept the girls there. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: Did he figure out it's not that easy? I think the assistant coaching job on a five year old soccer team is harder than being on the field. speaker-2: Tie bows, tie shoes, speaker-3: It was her last Saturday. I'm like You know, Casey is super awesome with the girl and I've never seen her like lose she loses her patience a little bit with her own child. She lost her patience with the entire team speaker-2: The child Alex or speaker-3: last Saturday. speaker-1: We actually had a conversation about speaker-3: Jesus. speaker-0: I think I have video evidence to say the other speaker-3: Casey lost her patience with the entire team last Saturday. She looked at me and she goes, Gary, just you you gotta go in. I'm about to lose it. They she goes, I don't care if we lose, I don't care if we don't score a goal, but they're not listening. And I cannot handle when they don't listen. I'm like, all right, let me go in there and I'm like running around like I'm like, they aren't listening in my head. But I'm like, Hey, it's five year old soccer, like come here, go speaker-1: Five year old. speaker-0: Yeah, I don't think you're I don't think you're wrong. to your point, I think most of the yelling on the video I got was directed to Bella. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-3: But I mean it's your it's your child. Like I I see myself getting on Scotty a little more hardcore than like the other girls and it's very natural. speaker-0: Well, I d you know, and this is a whole nother conversation, but it it ties directly to what I've been going through with Grayson. 'Cause we talked about this. I was a catcher decently, not not to your level of, you know, playing pros. but I played competitively all the way through until I blew out my knee. So I see the talent in Grayson and And I'm so hard on him. And Casey has to make me pull back because I'm like, no, like his C game is someone's A game. Like he truly has the potential to be a great catcher. And then I think Casey sees that in Bella in soccer. And when Bella's walking or jogging, she like yells at her. So I'd have a conversation with her literal, I think it was today. I was like, Hey, you know how you get on to me about Grayson Bella? because it was because she got the necklace. And after the game Casey had come to and was Well, who do you think? And I go, Case, like I hate to say it because it's our daughter, but like she scored two goals and I I'm sitting there, I have video footage. Like she's most of the plays, like speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: She's trying to not show favorite to the speaker-0: I know she is, but I did. speaker-2: Did you get that stop on the the end line? I mean I looked at Sarah speaker-3: the video I'm like speaker-2: I looked at Sarah and I was like, that's that fantasy footwork that Coach Casey talks about right there. She ran up, stopped that ball, turned it around, I was like, Bella. Now we're talking. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, like she she speaker-1: It is. speaker-0: has she's good and I think Casey sees that she has talent and wants to push and forgets that she's five similar to similarly to how I forget that Grayson's just ten sometimes. Yeah. I think it's just natural to push on your own kid 'cause you know their potential and when they aren't pushing it it's speaker-2: You know, but do you find that that's society today? 'Cause I I go back to I have this argument. Not it's not an argument, it's more of an internal argument with myself. Of I remember growing up I played Indiana. It was football, basketball, baseball was pretty much everything, but it was seasonal, right? So we had basketball was in the winter, then you rolled into baseball in the summer and football in the fall, and it kinda is what it was. And there wasn't really the travel teams weren't what they are now. I mean, again, this was the nineties and So I kind of like, do I have to force them to be the very best that they can be at this very moment? Or can I just let them figure it out, right? Like so Parker, she wanted to she wanted to play basketball this year and it's been the hardest thing for me to sit back and and watch our coach who doesn't really coach. And I looked at Allison the other day at the other last game and I said, All right, so we're coaching next year. And I put it to the point of like, as long as Parker wants to do this, then I will dedicate my time and we are gonna coach basketball, but not to the point where I think that Parker's going to be this all-star collegiate basketball player, but like I wanna coach them to the point where they at least enjoy the sports, right? And I don't know if my kids are gonna be good at anything yet. How am I supposed to know at seven? And and you see Bella and you see she runs so fast and she's just like all over the ball. And then it's like, but then How good is she is at hor riding horses and how what is her passion at riding horses? And you know, I don't I don't believe in the the motto of you have to let your child be this amazing athlete at five years old. Let them explore. And one of the things that I've certified in is is the US hockey junior team is fully bought into letting the kids play basketball, let them play football, let them play golf, let them Let do all of these things and then figure it out once they get, you know, twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old. But I think society has brought us to this point where you have to be on a travel team, you have to do this, you have to do that, you have to go all over the country to play one game just to be able to make your high school team. And I'm like, this has gotten completely out of control. speaker-3: And then when the kids get burnt out. See it all the time. And speaker-0: And speaker-3: I jumped into select baseball coaching like right after my minor league career ended. And we're out there and the parents like, Hey, we need lessons, we need lessons, we need lessons. I'm like, let me just give you like my background. I played every sport growing up. my parents made sure like, hey, you didn't burn out and you're like pouring all your heart and soul in this kid and anyone who played baseball. And they're nine years old. Like they're playing select. The parents are paying two thousand plus and then they're paying me and this isn't two thousand, they're paying me eighty dollars an hour for lessons. And I'm like, he's nine years old, like y he doesn't need an hour, he needs thirty minutes, 'cause the the second thirty minutes is just babysitting. Like we're not doing anything. I go, I highly encourage you, like let play sports and if sports isn't their thing, it's it's not their thing. But if you keep them in baseball only and dump it and push it and do all this, they're gonna burn out. Like By the time they're a sophomore in high school, they're gonna hate the sport. speaker-0: It's funny you bring up the baseball side of it. Grayson's league that he's in is advanced rec, so it's open to select teams. The three teams that are in first, third and second are all rec teams. Everyone else is select. And it it's been funny, like we beat a team in a scrimmage that isn't in the league. and we're actually playing another one this coming Wednesday against another team, both select and they're like three grand every six months type select. Yeah, no. And and we beat them pretty easily. And Casey and I like we've always said that and we we were lucky because we've had you to talk to. We've had some other friends that played in in the baseball systems at a high level. And one of was like, No, don't ever put him in select, like wreck until high school and then high school and it select isn't worth it, don't do it. And we're actually we've talked about we're taking our team, if you want to call it select. Where it'll be money, but all the money we're reinvesting back into the kids. We're gonna go hire coaches and we as a coaching staff are never gonna take pay. Like that's not the goal. Yeah. We're gonna go buy them the gear they need, the training aids they need and get the outside help from coaches that actually know what they're doing. Yeah and renting batting cages and fields so we can actually practice and so we're gonna charge a fee, but it's all going back to the kids. speaker-3: And and I didn't hit select sports till I was fifteen. So speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: at fifteen I knew that baseball was was my route. I knew it was five ten basketball wasn't gonna be a thing. I was really fast. Like, you know, and not to be braggadocious, but like I ran a four three nine forty in the Astrodome. so I was a fast guy and you guys are like let me sh I'll show you like video when I was like speaker-0: Before doing that. speaker-3: 43940 in the astrodome. That's close tryout. I need to get on that turf. On there. But I mean I knew and I hated to run, so I knew soccer wasn't gonna be my sport. Yeah. and in baseball, you know, the most she runs, what, three hundred and sixty feet? You know run in inside the park home run. majority of it's doubles. Mm-hmm. Right? Singular double. Yeah. so but I enjoyed everything, but as we got older I'm like, I'm not gonna be big enough. Like I'll be a defensive back. I played quarterback growing up, but I'm like I was little. Like I can't see over. Like I'm when I ask him like five eight and you know, you start getting rhymed at six foot, I'm like I speaker-1: See. speaker-3: and I never knew how to learn how to throw a football. Like I could throw a baseball, but I could y I would throw a football look like a you know, just a dying duck well you saw it. I mean he saw it. I speaker-1: Well yeah. speaker-3: mean we were speaker-2: For fairness, that was a very miniature football, so I'll give you break there. speaker-0: no. Anytime I'm around Andrew we're speaker-2: We're playing something. speaker-0: playing some like every time we're in the pool, I wake up the next day and my shoulder's like dead 'cause we're playing a skip ball, then we're playing baseball, then we're doing footballs like it's just constant in the pool. speaker-3: Well I mean at at the the birthday party with on the football, I'm just like dying. Because I need both my shoulders need to be operated on. Both I'm just like speaker-1: He's like speaker-3: And it you know, it's the tendon that holds your bicep up. Both sides are like two-thirds torn. But I just I had surgery when I got released from baseball and I go back and and think about that physical therapy and how much pain it was. And I'd have a job then. Like, hey, I got released from the minor leagues shoulder surgery. workman's comp, let me ride this thing out 'cause like I'm like twenty five angry 'cause I got relieved. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-3: Or or twenty six, but anyway. speaker-0: Well I no, I I agree. it it's tough to chase these these hobbies. even getting four or five hours to come do this round. it i it is hard and as a present father, you know, we all hate missing a night. We're all here at a night where we're all not at home doing bedtime. Yeah. And I think it's just a cultural shift of the new millennial dads. but I think it's I love the group of guys that we've you know, our gang and then these two gentlemen here joining us. it's it's fun. It's enjoyable. We all learn from each other. So yeah. I do appreciate it. I do appreciate Andrew your hospitality and hosting not only the round but now hosting us speaker-3: On speaker-2: Absolutely. speaker-3: a Sunday night after an entire stay worked. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, you've been working all day. We've all just been home washing the the president's cup. I didn't even mow today like I should have. speaker-1: Tomorrow. speaker-3: How long is like the spit? speaker-2: Two shotgun tournaments today. No big deal. It's fine. Just another day if you'll change. We'll speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: roll right into two more tomorrow. speaker-0: well no, I I appreciate everything you've done for us. I look forward to the next video. I think we've already got ideas. I we've already got ideas. y'all fit in naturally great with some of this stuff. I'll ask everyone to go watch the video. It is, you know, maybe not entertaining to watch Jason and I as much. speaker-3: When you see red and green, fast forward. speaker-1: Ha ha ha. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, just skip past our parts, watch Andrew and Gary. but no, we I really do appreciate it. I don't know if you have anything else to add here. No. speaker-3: That was fantastic. looking forward to more. I mean, you say we joined you guys, how about you know, you guys joined us? speaker-2: Yeah. Yeah. it's I've always I've always wanted to do you know, you you watch you watch YouTube golf, you watch podcast I listen to podcasts daily, right? And I admire you guys for for stepping out and and doing it with with where you're at right now and and you hope that it grows and if it doesn't, again, it's a hobby. It's something that we get to we never really get a chance to just sit around and talk. So I'm glad that you guys get to do that. I'm happy to just be a small part of it at this point and w I hope there's more to come and I'm happy to facilitate and be a part of any of it that you want me to. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Well we appreciate it. as as always we well let me phrase that. if we want to do a Christmas sweater with my turnaround timeline, we gotta do it like tomorrow. speaker-1: We have speaker-0: We'll get a little bit better turnaround, but we gotta get that one on the books. but in closing, you know, thank you so much for both of you for being a part of this, for sitting here spending some time with us, talking candidly about parenting life. and Gary, obviously our condolences go out to you. the twenty fifth was the anniversary of my father's passing, so this time of year is always tough for me as well. So I appreciate it. I know what I know what that feels like. But podcast every Wednesday, Apple, Amazon, YouTube and Spotify. thank you, Marcus, for sitting back there on the ones and twos, monitoring everything that's going on. and guys, we'll we hope to have you hope to have you back and Jason, Marcus, we'll talk next week. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: You love it. speaker-0: Appreciate it. Thanks, guys.