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Rod Woodson on Steelers football, 2000 Ravens defense, 71 INTs & NFL DB play today | Richard Sherman · The Richard Sherman Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We could have played together, and I can say that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't say that lightly. That hit was one of
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  Speaker 1: the most judicious hits I've seen the New York Giants
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  Speaker 1: in Super Bowl and I said, Man, you do can't
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  Speaker 1: be this man, I need watch balls. I mean, Jard,
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  Speaker 1: the fund number are gone.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. I'm happy to
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  Speaker 2: have a legend on today's show. Hall of Famer, super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl champion, former Defensive Player of the Year, nine time
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  Speaker 2: All Pro man. The list is long. Eleven time Pro bowler,
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  Speaker 2: not just the dB. I played safety, kick return, punt return,
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  Speaker 2: did it all. Two time interception leader in the National
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  Speaker 2: Football League and still holds the record for most pick
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  Speaker 2: sixes in NFL history with twelve. It's my honor to
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  Speaker 2: welcome Rod Woodson to the show. Appreciate you joining.
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  Speaker 1: Me, man, I appreciate you having me on. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: It's my absolute pleasure. You are an absolute legend. Seventy
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  Speaker 2: one interceptions in the National Football League. I mean, Dick
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  Speaker 2: Knight train Lane is ahead, but I still, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I got to go back and look at some of them.
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  Speaker 2: Dick Knight train lane, but seventy one like that was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You got drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers in eighty seven,
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  Speaker 2: stepping into that old school Steelers culture. What was your
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  Speaker 2: welcome to the league moment back then?
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, shoot, that was like that was my first game
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  Speaker 1: we played, I think with New Orleans, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: I held out so my rookie year. It was eighty seven,
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  Speaker 1: so that was a holdout year. So that remember the
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  Speaker 1: scab players, so to speak. So the holdout and then
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  Speaker 1: I didn't sign my rookie contract until October twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 1: so only played about five six games, seven games. When
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  Speaker 1: I remember my first game kick returner to have me
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  Speaker 1: kick return. You know, the college brud, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: kick return, you break, hopens up, it stays open in college.
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  Speaker 1: Not so much in the National Football League. I see
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  Speaker 1: the whole I hit it, dude, I got ah. I
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  Speaker 1: go this way, ball, go that way. One more recovery.
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  Speaker 1: They get the ball in the five yard line. We
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  Speaker 1: lose by three points. I mean, I was devastated, you know,
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  Speaker 1: coming in my first game. But uh, that was my
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  Speaker 1: weapont in the NFL moment because I just thought I
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  Speaker 1: was fast, I knew I could run. I was like, man,
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  Speaker 1: all these dudes can run. Everybody can run football league.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the best of the best of the best
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  Speaker 1: of the world. But I was lucky. I had John
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  Speaker 1: star Warts was still playing, Donnie Shell was still playing,
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  Speaker 1: and Donnie was Donnie became. They peered me up with
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  Speaker 1: Donnie on the road games, so I got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of knowledge from Donnie. Mike Webby. Webby was still playing,
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  Speaker 1: so I got I got a lot of love from
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  Speaker 1: those older guys to teach me the right way. They
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  Speaker 1: don't hang your hat. Its happens. It happens in the
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  Speaker 1: nash Footbay. Everybody's those moments where you get you get got.
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  Speaker 3: Right, no question about it now.
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  Speaker 2: And that's it's such a hard lesson for you to
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  Speaker 2: learn because you come from being in college being so dominant,
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  Speaker 2: and then you get you get that wake up. But
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  Speaker 2: then it's like you got to snap back into that,
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  Speaker 2: like I can play with these dudes. So when when
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  Speaker 2: did that happen for you when you say, hey, man,
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  Speaker 2: I can I can still play. I can play in
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  Speaker 2: this league too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I never it was kind of crazy, Sharon,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm a quiet dude. But I never had a
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  Speaker 1: problem with me believing in who I am. I was
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  Speaker 1: the youngest three boys. So my oldest brother, my older brother,
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  Speaker 1: middle brother used to be snot out of me, but
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  Speaker 1: we used to like we used to race, so Reynolds
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  Speaker 1: and Chestnut used to play against projects and everything. So
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  Speaker 1: we had track meets, we had football, we had basketball,
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  Speaker 1: we had baseball, and we started running all the dustin
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  Speaker 1: cats and they was four or five years older than me,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, right, So I kind of gave me
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  Speaker 1: confidence of who I was and I never but I
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  Speaker 1: never really had a doubt because my brother beat me
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  Speaker 1: up all the time, so it kind of toughened me
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  Speaker 1: up mentally. And then when I got into the league,
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  Speaker 1: I was blessed with Tony Dungey, So I had Tony
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  Speaker 1: as my dB coach and my DE coordinator. So I
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  Speaker 1: played safety in college. Right, I played safety in college.
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  Speaker 1: They moved me to corner when I ran my forty
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  Speaker 1: at the combine and so I had to learn how
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  Speaker 1: to play out there. But to to say that, I like,
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  Speaker 1: I think there was moments that I had where I
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  Speaker 1: had to learn how to play corner.
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  Speaker 3: M H.
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  Speaker 1: I had some doubt because I remember more time I
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  Speaker 1: was playing against the Buffalo Bills and James Lofton out there.
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  Speaker 1: Ja Lofton runs right and Jamis run right by me.
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  Speaker 1: I kept back over. I ain't even turn. They throw
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  Speaker 1: the ball touchdown and I come to the sideline and
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  Speaker 1: Tony looked at me and said, what were you thinking?
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  Speaker 1: I said, coach, I have no idea, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: I was like, so I had to like figure out
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  Speaker 1: how to like play that position. But once it was
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  Speaker 1: like year I would say, because we were kind of
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  Speaker 1: young in our secondary. We have five rookies in our secondary,
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  Speaker 1: my rookie, my rookie year. So I think that the
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  Speaker 1: second year, probably three fourths way through the season, where
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  Speaker 1: I started saying, oh yeah, yeah, I kind of feel
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  Speaker 1: for this. I still had Tony there. Tony leaves after that,
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  Speaker 1: and then a guy named Rod Russ comes in and
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  Speaker 1: Rod week like week two, cusses me out, you mother efflin,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and gave it to me and he said,
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  Speaker 1: you need to learn this game. I was like, she,
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  Speaker 1: I said, well, teach me. And me and him went
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  Speaker 1: into the office for about four weeks and his first
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  Speaker 1: question to me sharing was how many formations can office
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  Speaker 1: get into? You know, I'm thinking, I'm like, oh, shot
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  Speaker 1: five hundred. He was like, man, how many eligible receivers?
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  Speaker 1: I said five. He said they can get a fire
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  Speaker 1: formation and I was like what He was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they what they do. They try to confuse you with
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  Speaker 1: these different people. But if a receiver is by himself
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  Speaker 1: on the backside and he's flexed, he's the X. Don't
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  Speaker 1: matter if he's a tight end, don't matter if he's
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  Speaker 1: a running back. So he's going to be the ex
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  Speaker 1: for their offense. We just we make him the running
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  Speaker 1: back all the time. So it confuses us on the
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  Speaker 1: defensive side. But they move these pieces around and then
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  Speaker 1: the final formation comes out and they only run about
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  Speaker 1: five plays. So we go through the process. It took
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  Speaker 1: me about four weeks and really, like really really believe it.
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  Speaker 1: That green light clicks on out, like, oh kid Natti here, coach,
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  Speaker 1: that's all they's it. That's all they do. They disguise
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing, their kind, their attentions, and you just
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  Speaker 1: gotta believe it. I said, oh, she don't worry about that,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna believe it. And then after that I
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  Speaker 1: went to seven straight Pro Bowls as the corners at corner.
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  Speaker 1: But it was for it was because of having a
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  Speaker 1: guy like Tony initially because I was messing up and Tony,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Tony don't yell and scream and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But then I need a rod. After Tony left, could
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  Speaker 1: Rod got me straight. He got me straight up here.
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  Speaker 1: But he also taught me the game. So I think
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  Speaker 1: if I didn't go to Pittsburgh, I probably wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: been as blessed. But going there, having Tony give me
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  Speaker 1: love at the cornerback spot and let me feel that
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  Speaker 1: I'm worthy to be out there, I never had that
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  Speaker 1: self doubt. But getting that love from your coaches and
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  Speaker 1: then learning from those old heads, those ogs, I mean
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  Speaker 1: that was I was overly blessed. And then after that,
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  Speaker 1: Dick la Bow comes in for five years, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: my ten years of Pittsburgh. Then I was like I
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  Speaker 1: was overly blessed with too much knowledge at the coaching position,
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  Speaker 1: and I just had to be able to exorber wanting
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  Speaker 1: to launch trauma.
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  Speaker 2: And that takes some humility as well, is being open
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  Speaker 2: to those conversations and open to the learning. I think
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  Speaker 2: the thing that helped me develop fast because I honestly
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a great peddler, so I couldn't pedal So
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  Speaker 2: I'm six three with big feet and not a great pedal.
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  Speaker 2: And so because I came from receiver in college, and
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  Speaker 2: so I played receiver in my first three years. And
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  Speaker 2: Bill Walsh literally came in and installed the West Coast
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  Speaker 2: for us my first year at Stanford, so actually was
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  Speaker 2: my second year because Harball brought him in, and so
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  Speaker 2: I learned it. We learned it from the master. So
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  Speaker 2: we learned it from the beginning. And you know, most
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  Speaker 2: offenses in the National Football League, the found their West Coast,
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  Speaker 2: like at their roots, at their screws, at their their
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  Speaker 2: their West Coast. So once I learn to play every
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  Speaker 2: position in that offense, then my junior year I switch
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  Speaker 2: over to defense. Now I can't pedal, I can't peddle.
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  Speaker 2: Now I can't peddle at all. But I know the
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  Speaker 2: route tree. I know where everybody's supposed to be. I
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  Speaker 2: know every combination of routes. I know every split, every
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  Speaker 2: like the spacing of everything when they're in a bunch,
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  Speaker 2: what like process of elimination. I'm super smart with that,
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  Speaker 2: so I understand every bit of it. So when I
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  Speaker 2: get to the league and get an opportunity to play,
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  Speaker 2: I tell Pete like I'm like, Pete, I'm gonna play
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  Speaker 2: with my butt to the sideline. I'm gonna almost like
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  Speaker 2: get halfway to running the route because that's gonna put
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  Speaker 2: me in a better position to be able to cover
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  Speaker 2: these guys like you want. If I get in a pedal,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna be able to beat me, Like I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: get beat more times than not. But if you let
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  Speaker 2: me play and it's half cocked like shuffle, I can.
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  Speaker 2: I promise you I can get I can break anywhere
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  Speaker 2: you want me to be. And I'm already anticipating the
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  Speaker 2: routes that I'm going to see, the routes that I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna get. And so in my first three years in
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  Speaker 2: the National Football League, I had twenty interceptions because it
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  Speaker 2: was it just made sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, hey, Pete, let you do it.
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  Speaker 3: Pete, let me do it now. He told me this, go.
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  Speaker 1: Ahead, now go no, I fin to finish.
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  Speaker 3: What he told me.
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  Speaker 2: He said, hey, you can do this, but if it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work, this is your career.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Like, if it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: You haven sit down abolutely. And but you know that's
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  Speaker 1: what I like. That's to me. Great coaches allow you
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  Speaker 1: to be you like you knew, you knew your negatives right.
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  Speaker 1: You're not a great back color, you know, but you're long.
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  Speaker 1: Like I rated you coming out. I grated you coming
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  Speaker 1: out your short shuttle and your three cone were fast
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  Speaker 1: like I mean. And when I look at like I
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  Speaker 1: got you on my I got like a little uh,
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  Speaker 1: like a board of all the really good players have
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  Speaker 1: come out the last twenty five five years and the
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  Speaker 1: guys who are played at the really high level, and
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  Speaker 1: you're one of them that I have on the board.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, your forty times wasn't like four
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  Speaker 1: to three, four to two, but you don't need a
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  Speaker 1: four to two when you're a short shuttle and their
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  Speaker 1: three cones as fast as you were, And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that. So what I've learned when I started coaching
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  Speaker 1: is that every player is different. Some guys got tight hits,
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  Speaker 1: some guys came back cuddle, some guys came back cuddle.
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  Speaker 1: Some guys don't like press. And you got to allow
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  Speaker 1: the really good coaches allow players to be themselves inside
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  Speaker 1: of their system as long as you don't go rogue
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  Speaker 1: right right, and then you gotta you gotta make plays
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  Speaker 1: when they allow you to do that, right, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: make plays so they can they can say, see, look,
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  Speaker 1: my boy, he's doing this thing. I'm allowing to do
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  Speaker 1: it all right. I ain't gonna let everybody do it,
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  Speaker 1: but he can do it right.
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  Speaker 3: And that was me.
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  Speaker 2: That was a conversation sometimes in those rooms is hey,
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  Speaker 2: you guys, stop doing it because it's not working for
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  Speaker 2: you. You can't play but to the same line and make
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  Speaker 2: the place and run this dig for the receiver or
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  Speaker 2: break on this pass like he's doing. So just play
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  Speaker 2: in your pedal because you're a good peddler. You can
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  Speaker 2: you can feel, you can go with the weave and
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  Speaker 2: you can play.
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  Speaker 3: It that way. But he's better at this than you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Right. See that's a good see. That's that's what I love.
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  Speaker 1: That's what because Tony allowed me to be me because
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  Speaker 1: I used to jump out of my stands so I
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  Speaker 1: would be in my I'll be impressed and I would
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  Speaker 1: always jump and Tony would try to get me to
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  Speaker 1: get out of the jump. And then Dick comes in
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  Speaker 1: and Dick was like, oh you jump by your stands.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you fine, He was like, because you can get
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  Speaker 1: out of it, right, he said lots.
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  Speaker 3: So did you did you hop to? Why?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I was narrow hopped a why okay?
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  Speaker 1: And I never had I mean when I first started,
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  Speaker 1: I would be a little lower than I wanted to be,
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  Speaker 1: and Dick got me more up here, more upright, so
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  Speaker 1: being more in an athletic position, so I wouldn't because
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  Speaker 1: every time I had to really start running, I had
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  Speaker 1: to raise up anyway, right, Why have the waste of movements?
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  Speaker 1: And he can have these weights of steps. So even
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  Speaker 1: in year five, I got better because Dick was like, look,
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  Speaker 1: you do this, You're going to get that much better.
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  Speaker 1: And then heck, I think the following the following year,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I was doing. The player of the year.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, See that's that's that was another huge That's a
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  Speaker 2: great point because that was another huge change from college
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  Speaker 2: to the National Football League. Is my stance because I
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  Speaker 2: was so they told me to be so low in
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  Speaker 2: college and I'm six three, and it's like they're like,
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  Speaker 2: you got to get low in your stance, and I'm like, bro,
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  Speaker 2: by the time I raise up, they're by me because
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  Speaker 2: you want me to be so low, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: if you let me be in a comfortable stance. I
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  Speaker 2: can move with them, but it's like, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: I got to raise up. So when I got to Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: Pete got in front of me literally maybe first or
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  Speaker 2: second day out there, and he worked on all of
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  Speaker 2: us with our stands, and he was like, hey, getting
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  Speaker 2: a stance you could stand in for two hours. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I can't stand low for two hours.
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  Speaker 2: I'm almost like I got a slight bend in the knee,
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  Speaker 2: but it's almost like a basketball like like I got
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  Speaker 2: a slight balance. And he was like, can you stand
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  Speaker 2: in this for two hours? If I came back in
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  Speaker 2: two hours, you'd be in the same position. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like this is your stance.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that's a real good point right there.
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  Speaker 1: I never heard of it, said like that.
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  Speaker 3: That's what is That's how I got us.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. I like that saying I was chilling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still in that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it was. It worked.
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  Speaker 2: It worked for me, and ever since then, my press
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  Speaker 2: got better, my step replaced, my step kid got better,
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  Speaker 2: and I was so much more patient and comfortable because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't feel like now I would sometimes jump in
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  Speaker 2: my stance like you did, Like if I had a
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  Speaker 2: quicker receiver that I was dealing with, and I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to like speed him up. I would almost jump, like
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  Speaker 2: almost not like a half an inch forward to like
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  Speaker 2: speed him up.
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  Speaker 3: So they can't do all that, Like, no, let's go now.
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  Speaker 1: You're right because that because he taught did he did?
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  Speaker 1: He teach you, guys, what is a pure step?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what he called it?
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  Speaker 3: The peer stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he called the peer step, So I know.
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  Speaker 1: So when I was coaching with Kenny, Kenny had us
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  Speaker 1: teaching it, and I was like, I said, give me
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  Speaker 1: the philosophy behind. To Kenny, I said, I know you
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  Speaker 1: want him to be patient. But then once I learned it,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, I see, I see what
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  Speaker 1: the overall aspect, what what you're trying to You're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get everybody to slow down, slow your head down,
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  Speaker 1: like he calm. I said, that's the at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the end of the day, that's what you want
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  Speaker 1: from your players anyway. So I'm like, so that's that's
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  Speaker 1: really good like what Pete said to you guys. But
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  Speaker 1: what he also lets you do though he saw he
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  Speaker 1: saw that you're there, but he said they he can
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  Speaker 1: bail and he can play just as good. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna let him Play'm gonna let him bail when he want.
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  Speaker 2: To bail, and so we would. We would usually only
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  Speaker 2: bail if if we had two displaced. So that was
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  Speaker 2: our cover. Three philosophy is, hey, if you single, if
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  Speaker 2: you got a single receiver, no, no two displaced, even
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  Speaker 2: if it's a tidy end, even if you're on a Z,
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  Speaker 2: you're you're pretty much in man your man. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: press man like he runs a fade. You got him,
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  Speaker 2: come back, you got him, dig you got him everywhere. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you got two displaced, you have to bail because
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  Speaker 2: you have to see two, because you got the vertical
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  Speaker 2: of two. And so, but it would help me see
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  Speaker 2: the picture. And we had such a smart defense that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if I got two displays and two starts to go over,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: then I know one's coming to replace him in that zone.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It's either going to be a dig or a post.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: So hey, hey, Bobby, I need you to go with that,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: go with that one. I got this dig. I'm gonna
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: drive the dig. I'm gonna drive the ram route or
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: whatever you guys call it, right, and I'll probably pick
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: that or you know what, I mean, we had such
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: a great feel for things like that, and it was
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: a lot to do with just you can only attack
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: cover three in what we were doing so many different
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: ways and we played man. It was you expect the
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: three concepts because they think you're gonna be in three.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Even when we're in man, You're like, hey, they're gonna
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: run tha here because they think we're in three.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Asks your questions. So if you guys were in displaced
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: two but you had a wide gap between one and two,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: did you guys ever lock it?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Rare? We started to do it later on in our
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: career in my career, but rarely rarely because because it
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: would it would cause such an issue. We would still
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: have the buzz or buzz out there. He would almost
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: be between one and two, so he buzzed because you
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: didn't want to create that big gap when one did
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: the quick hitch and two rand of seven, and so
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I would almost angle towards two to overlap to close
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: that lane.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: So there's not a space.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, you know I like that because it's good
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: to talk to guys who really understand ball, but understand
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: the cornerback position in the aspect of what offenses are
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: trying to do to defense and how you play inside
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: of that because at the end of the day, so
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: many so many routs ticking run right and now nowadays
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: they're running more options off where our bodies are at.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Right, And it's the old like when you go to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: run and shoot, the running shoot was based on wherever
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: our body was at. They're gonna run opposite of that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: right right and get when you got the ke gun,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: which is the buffalo bills, and then you got the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: what's the other one called the uh the air raid
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: air raided like their flooding zones right right. So like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to understand, like the philosophy, how you're going to play
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: against those guys and playing against those having really good
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: coaches to help you understand the defenses, but then allow
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you guys to make those certain calls inside of your defense.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: That to me, that's when you're find really good. That's
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: why your defense was. Your defense was so good because
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you have a lot of allowed to talk to each other,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: make your checks, the major checks, and you go play ball.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: And we would bastardize it too at times, like if
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: we got in a unique situation in the game, they
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: trusted us the coaches. Literally we would we would do
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: things on the fly and then talk about it in
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the meeting the next day, and they'd be like, what
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: you guys do right here? It's like, coach, hey, you
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: wanted to get them covered. We knew that Gronk and
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Edelman were gonna quick switch out of this nasty split.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: They were stacked up on each other, and they when
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: they switched, we knew, hey, Cam, you want to be
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: on Gronk. I want to be on Edelman. We don't
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: want them to get the matchup they want. So when
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: when Edelman breaks out, I'm gonna take him. You take
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Gronk up the middle, and we'll deal with it later.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: We don't have a call for this. This isn't how
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the defense is normally played. But they'll the coaches will look,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: we both all pros right now. I think they'll they'll
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: live with our decision making right now.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: No, see, I like that, and I like coaches. To me,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the great coaches in the league are the coaches that
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: allow you to be inside of inside of the system,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: allow you to be you and make your calls. Because
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: we made I made some crazy calls. We made crazy calls,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: but we knew this defense. We knew what we wanted
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to do, we knew what we want to accomplish. We
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: knew what they were trying to do against us, and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: our coaches love us do it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: And that's the beautiful part of defense.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: You had seventy one picks, Like what what that's I mean,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: it's still second all time, and nowadays nobody's getting that many.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I think I led the decade with thirty seven in
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the regular season in four and so forty one. But
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: it's so much harder because they're letting the quarterbacks be
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: more comfortable, Like they're not knocked out, they're not concussed,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: they're not worried about getting killed during the game. What
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: do you think was like your favorite interception? And then
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: what do you think helped you throughout? You know, just
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: to get that many of them?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I would do inside of uh,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: inside of residential, I will play cover two sometimes the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: eight yards off, but Tony will let me right right,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: so I would play eight yards off. I would I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: would press sometime and cover to bail, then stop at
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: three yards so they don't know if I'm if I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: bai is he bailing? And He's always billing or is
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: he bailing and he's gonna stop? Is he billing because
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: he didn't covered too? Is a dude off at eight is?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And I would take like three steps at eight yards
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, if he runs a hitch or a slant,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: see it, I'm gone. If they don't, then I'm just
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: gonna get in their way because I can't touch them
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that far down the field, but I still can re
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: route them with my body so I can get in
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the way of them. And still because we call it
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: up and outside, so up that that up and outside
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and cover too, we would cover that all the way
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that soft squats what we call it, we would call
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I could take that up to like fifteen.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yards fifteen ten to fifteen that one day, take it
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: up there.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: So I mean I would do all kinds of crazy stuff.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I would play. I would, I would stay. I would
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't let the receiver and the quarterback see me
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: pressed or being off and say, oh, he's gonna do this,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and be like, none, you don't know what I'm gonna do,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna something doing something something, I'm an quick
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: jaremy something? None, Somebody don't act like I'm gonna do it.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bail. Then I'm gonna stop again. And so
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I had I try to make them think more. And
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: then I had in my head and I had four
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: formations in my head and okay, they're going these four
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: information as soon as they come out, I'm gonna look
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: at my safety and just no. And he's like, if
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: they'd run, they better not run that route. Like, if
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: they run that route there, it's over. I meany had
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: some teams that run the route, and I got them
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and I remember Green Bay Brett Fire's first start. They
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: ran every every time stirring sharp was on the weak side,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: back was off set far away from the tight end
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: offset far they would swing the back and he would
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: always run a curl curl, run a curl on the backside.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, way, if they run, that is over.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Got me double moved tuxdown. Then I go back. I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: think it was like four series later. I muffed a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: punk and then they know. Normally, when when you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: when you make a mistake, you try to recover. You
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: try to write next play slug o touchdown. Oh so
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it's like so you know they can use that against you.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: But the one thing I try to always do in
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: which I had Tony and the coaches that I had.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It just allowed me to show different things like we
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: would sometimes we would we would cloud reduce splits we
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: didn't have to. Sometimes we would cloud it. I'll become
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the safety. The safety had come down and be the corner,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and they let they let us do it right, you know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: because they knew we were comfortable in making these calls.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And heck, listen, at the end of the day, even
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: though I was a kit corner, my safeties are bigger
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: than me, righta better you know, they were better track there,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: so to speak, than I was, So why not put
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: him in cloud? If it's right?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, you played for so many great defenses. I
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: mean that two thousand Ravens defense is still one of
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the best defenses of all time, and they're always in
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that conversation. We were having this debate online, you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen Broncos defense and then the Legion of
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Boomar twenty thirteen defense, like which one was better? And
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: obviously you know which one, I fail was better? But
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about that Ravens defense, there's no
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: conversation that doesn't include the eighty five Bears to two
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: thousand Ravens every single time. What made that defense so special,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you think.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Man's you know what? It was the growth that we
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: had over the first two years. Shurm Like I first
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: got there in ninety eight, and the first year we
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: were like six and ten or something. Crazy. Second year
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: coach retires, we get Brian Billy could come in. Martin
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Lewis is the dec coordinator. Martin Lewis was in Pittsburgh
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: with us, right, So we're running the same defense that
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: we hused to run in Pittsburgh, but it was four
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to three instead of a three to four, right, So
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: we had to do some some things kind of like
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Bastard eyed some of the form some of the defenses
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: on the backside because of our our defensive end instead
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of outside linebacker. We had to do that. But I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: think what made us good is that Ray came into
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: his own Like Ray became he was making plays. He
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: was already a tackler, right, Like you know when I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: first got there, Ray was, I think he was. He
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: loved the team and tackles every single year that his
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: first I think treat three years, and he kept getting
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: better inside of the game. Make did He started making
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: big plays in these big games. But I think what
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: really made us good is, to be honest, is that
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: we had leaders across the board. So we had leaders
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: up front. We had Sam Adams, Tony Share, Goosa, and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: everybody knows Goose because Goose was so crazy and silly
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and and he tall crazy. Everybody but Sam Adams. That
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: dude can get it. Sam Adams can get it. So
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: having a guy that's three thirty and another guy us
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: three fifty sitting there in the three technique and a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: two technique, you couldn't move them, so you couldn't run
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the ball against this. So defensively, as a defensive back,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you know do we had Chris McCallister and Duane Starks
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: at corners, and then the other safety was Corey and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Kim Harris, so you know, they would rotate back and forth.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But we didn't worry about the run game. Like if
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I'm in the Corey, yeah, I'm a part of the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: run game. But if I ain't part of the run game,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I don't need to come up because they nobody run
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the ball against this, right, I mean sharing we had
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: five games we didn't score a touchdown on.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I saw it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I saw it was a stretch too, and we won
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: three of I mean, so we could score on defense,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and we knew how good we were. Like I knew
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: when we played the New York Giants and Super Bowl, said, man,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you do can't be those man if they get across
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the fifty yard line. So so the Giants beat Minnesota
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Vikings to a really good that year, and they had
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: some ballers, Like I was a little nervous going as
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Randy Chris Carter and Autumn dudes. I mean, they had
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: some players over there on the Minnesota Vikings offense. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: was a little nervous. Me and Ray were up there Monday.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: So that that first week we're looking at tape a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: half go by, We're looking at that Minnesota Giants game.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: We're like, we looked at each other, said, man, if
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: they get across the fifty, we quit.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: We ain't good.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Ain't we ain't good? And they got across the fifty
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: one time from a kid return. So we're like, we
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: just had confidence in who we were. I mean, like
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you guys with the leading the boom, you guys had swag, right,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you knew you were good and you knew you're like
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are going to change courses of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: games making Dick plays knock of people. I remember, man,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: what was your safety was a strong safety? Cam Chancer, Yeah,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: hit the tight end for the hit the tight end
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: from Sam Cisco by the goal line. Yeah, man, he
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: hit him. I felt it on TV. I was like, dall, dude,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to go back Like if I'm him,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go back.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: In There were so many plays like that, and on
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that play it was raining that day. I will never
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: forget because they they ran. We used to call it
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: like an RNX beater, so condensed X split. He goes
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: to run a pick route on the linebacker that's covering
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the tight end, and the tight end wheels around and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: runs the gop and so he took Crabtree. I'm covering
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Crabtree and he picks off Malcolm Smith and then Vernon
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: goes up the sideline, but Cam read it quick. So
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Cam's in middlefield safety, he's on he's on course, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: it was raining and I somehow saw the sweat getting
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: knocked off that man's face. Forget the rain, forget the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: water from the rod. Saw the sweat getting knocked off
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and it was a legal hit, but the riff through
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the flag and I and I said, ref, I see
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: why you threw it. It was legal now, but I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: see why you threw it. I mean I I was
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: ready to throw a flag and I was on his team.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Man, I mean that hit was one of the most
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: vicious hits I seen. I don't I don't think people
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: even thought about it too often. But man as a player,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: when he hit him, I said, oh, bro, don't he ain't.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: He don't want to play no more.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: He don't want to play. We played him in the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: NFC Championship game that year and he ran a crosser
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: and people talk about the way Cam hit uh uh
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Demarius Thomas in a in a championship in the Super Bowl,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: but he hit Vernon the same way. In the NFC Championship.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Vernon was running across or shallow cross and we ran
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a robber and they picked off the man cover him
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and he came down as the robber and he and
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: didn't even Vernon fumbled the ball.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Cam didn't even look at it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: He went to do it in celebration and we were like, hey,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Vernon not want to play, He don't want to be
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: out here with this man like and to what you said,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: like that was the year Denver broke all those records
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and Peyton had all those records.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: And he's throwing the ball all over the yard.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: And we watched the tape and what we saw was
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: they weren't running anything super complex. They were getting people tired,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and they were lining up fast. They were in a
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: hurry up, and guys couldn't get their calls, they couldn't
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: get the checks. And then they're running slap flat, they're
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: running curl flat, they're running uh drive basic like simple
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: stuff like hit seven. They're not running complicated offense. But
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: when you're not lined up and you're confused and you're tired,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: fatigue will make cowards of us, all right, And so
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: we just ran gassers. We ran gassers from from the
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: beginning of that week, because you got two weeks. From
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: the beginning of that week all the way till we
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: got to New York for the Super Bowl, we were
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: running gas. We were like, hey, they're not running us
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: off this field. That's one thing you're not gonna do, y'all,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: not running us off this field. Y' don't have to
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: beat us. And we run a super we rarely huddle anyway,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: So it's not like y'all gonna catch us between We
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: rarely go to the huddle. We look, we running when
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: we running, and can y'all deal with it? Like y'all,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: y'all not gonna be confused by what we're doing. Y'all,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: We're not gonna be confused by what y'all doing.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Line it up.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And I remember they were on like a maybe a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen play drive and Damarius and Eric Decker
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: tapped out of the game. And when I tell you, Rod,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I called them everything in the book. On their way
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to the sideline, I said, y'all in the Super Bowl
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and y'all tapping out like this, third down, y'all bringing
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: in these backups? Third down in the Super Bowl, and
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: y'all down like y'all not built to win this game.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Y'all not built to beat us. Y'all know, y'all know
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: where y'all shouldn't even be out here with us.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Oh see, that's what that's. I mean, that's that. But
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: that's and it's you know, people say, oh, that's arrogant,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: but it's not, because it's a fine line between confidence
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and arrogant, and I say, you walk that line like
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the great teams always walked in it, like right, Like
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I wasn't a real talker, but all my boys were,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and we all he backed it up though, Like when
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I was in Pittsburgh, we had some we had some
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: freaking defenses. In Pittsburgh, we blitzed everybody, right, And then
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: when I got to Baltimore, we had that year in
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Baltimore where we were like that was one of the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: best defense arguably in the history.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Of in the history of the game. Right, So ten points.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: A game, and we and we knew how good we were,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and we talked. I mean I didn't talk a whole bunch,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: but all my boys talked, all of them, all of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: them talk And I was like, see, hey, hey, y'all
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: feel that. I mean, if you thought, does that still
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: get you going? Nothing? Is it? And that's what fires
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you up? Then go for right, you know? And then
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: and then the coaches let us do.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It because and I would say, our defense was a
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: bunch of quiet, like Cam didn't talk a lot, Earl
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: rarely talked. Bobby Wagner was on that team, like it
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: didn't really talk that much. I was probably the loudest,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: but they were all like, hey, I'm with him now,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Like what I'm with what he said. So if that's
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: where y'all want to go with it, that's where we're going. Like,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not shying away from what he said. I just
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: don't need to say it. But and Nty, I want
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to talk about ninety five because that was a crazy
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: season for you. It was like you tore your acl,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: rehabbed all throughout the season, and then came back in
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl Like what was it nineteen weeks or
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean it was the first game of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the season going against Barry. The crazy thing is, man,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I did some stupid stuff like I would. So we
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: played on the astral to old astro turf, right, and
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: normally when I played on the Asshrol turf, I would
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I would break my shoes in my game, the shoes
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I was gonna wear that week, I would wear them
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: throughout the week so they can like fit my feet.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't do that that week. That's the first I
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: didn't do it. It was just stupid. So it was
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: overly hot first game of the year, Barry Sanders. You know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like this little dude right here, man like we
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: got everybody got to come into him because he everywhere.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So he breaks out on the right side. I plant
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and man, my foot got stuck. I try to turn
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and you known't. Normally, if like wear the shoes I
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: should have been at my foot would have turned with me.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: That things It's great. I jumped up, felt the pop
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: good thing is mat I Bill Cower was cool as
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: all get out as a head coach because Bill back
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: then Sheran. If I would have went on ir, I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: was done for the year. It wasn't coming out. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: so we met with the doc on Monday and Doc
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: said it's gonna be eight He said it's going to
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: be like eight to to ten weeks. I like, right,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: so I'm counting, and he said it could be up
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: to three months, four months, could be up to six months.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm counting the shortest period of time, right.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it's September, October, November December. I can
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: get back, right. I was like, coach, just give me
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: a shot. And luckily Colonel Lake don't get a lot
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of love. But Colonel o' lake played outside linebacker U. C.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: L A And came in, played strong safety, played our dime,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: played our nickel, moved the corner when I got hurt,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: play balled out the whole year. Wow. I was blessed
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that nobody else got hurt that year, because anybody else
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: got hurt in the secondary. He had to put me down,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you know, And so he gave me. He gave me
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that green light. He left the light at the end
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: of the tunnel for me, and uh. I got to
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: play in the Super my first Super Bowl. We didn't win,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you know, because in three Super Bowls I played in
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and my quarterbacks threw eight interceptions. So you don't win
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of Super Bowls that way, right, But I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: at least got to play in it. And I still
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: give Bill all the love because he gave me that
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: opportunity to even try to come back, to motivate me
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to come back. So you know, yeah, I heal fast normally,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: but Bill gave me the opportunity to get out there.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I only play like eighteen plays in the game. In
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the game then they weren't getting an eleven personnael a
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: whole bunch. I only went out there in sub package,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and that's the only time I got on the field, I.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Think, and just talking about that, like, how how different
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: do you think you'd be in today's game? You know
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: where they it's it's so much different. And I love
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I love the old school, and I love all we
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: were talking about before we got on on screen, about
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Mel Blant and Lester Hayes and Mike Kynes and just
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the guys who really fundamentally changed this game, and yourself included.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: But it's such a different game than you guys played
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: because of the way they protect the quarterback. Like not
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: to say they weren't protecting them back then, but back
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: then you might have a quarterback half concussed in that game,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: might have been close lined two or three times in
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: this game, drive on his head. In today's game, boy,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: they're kicking half the defense off the game if they
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: if they land on him wrong, you know. So I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: just feel like their comfort level and that's why the
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: accuracy numbers are through the roof and passer ratings through
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the roof, because they don't they're so so afraid to
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: make a mistake. They'd rather throw the ball out of
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: bounds fifteen times than throw an interception. You know, I
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: think back then quarterbacks are like, hey, whatever it takes
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: to win. We're gonna sling it around the yard and
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: try to get a win. Now they're like, hey, if
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: we don't win, cool, as long as I don't throw
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: five interceptions.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think a couple of things sharing
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: with that, Like, Okay, first of all, you know, we
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: sued the league to get free agency, So it started there, right,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: So we sue the league free agency. And then the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: league was being very dishonest about CTE concussions, right, so
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: they got a lossuit with that, And so where are
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: we at today is because of those two things. Right
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: when you or you sue your employer, it's going to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: happen where they're going to openly protect themselves and capacity. Right,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: So that's where the league is at because of the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks are protected in the pocket, I'm the pocket.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Receivers are protected over the mirror of field. They I mean,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: they you gotta you gotta let them catch two feet
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: turn and then you can hit them. We heck, it's
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: two foot already caught the ball, so you know, so
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that's one. Secondly, man, you know I knew you watch ball.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're the fundamentals are gone. The fundamentals in
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: football across the board is gone. It's not the same
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: game that we played when you talked about you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: like everybody plays with the buttet of the sideline, right,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: but you could do it well, right and you and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you you knew you could do it. All these guys
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: can't do it right. There's no nobody back cuddles anymore.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: So it's the the game is it has changed. It's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: changed because we did have those lawsuits. But what makes
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: me more disappointed? And I'm glad the guys are making money.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And let me say that, I'm glad they're making money,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: right that generational wealth they can give to their kids
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and their hopefully their kids and their next generation. I'm
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: hoping they can keep doing that. But man, like where
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: is the professionalism in the game, Like where's the foundation
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: built at the position? Like I just don't see, Like
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: you see, did players come through and they might have
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: two or three good years, but they ain't gonna have eight, nine, ten.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: They don't even want to play ten years anymore. Right
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: at eight in shoot, they got enough money for the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: rest of their lives in the next couple of generations.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, I think you're absolutely right, like
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: thinking about like where the game is at, it's a
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: little softer, and think about this. I don't know when
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you first came in how many how long were you
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: in training camp?
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Two weeks? Two and a half.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: So when I first came in, when we was five
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: weeks right banging two days and I mean, we're you're
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: going through it. And then probably the end of my
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: career because I played seventeen. At the end of my career,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: we were one on one off, one on one off.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: We were probably about twenty days in the training camp.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: So I mean, now is what sixteen days, seventeen days
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: of training camp? You got what? Uh they got how
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: many times they could put on shoulder pads with seventeen
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Like thirteen seventeen during the season ending something like that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: So they don't really get there every hit and tackle,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: but you still should be able to formed you used
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: we used to call it ThReD up, like like I'm
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be in my sweats. But if the running back
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: of out here he getting his shoulder right like he
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: gonna'm gonna protect yourself, he's still getting it and he
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: better cover that ball up because we're gonna be poking right, So.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I see that's that was the thing I think we
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: we we kept going is is we were hitting and
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and we took so much pride as a defense because
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: we had so many great players. I would think there's
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: three or four Hall of Famers on that defense. I mean,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner being being the most obvious one. But like
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: we would tell Pete, don't run ones versus ones because
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna let them move the ball.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: We're hitting everything moving.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And if you want, that's why we lost so many
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: practices and all that and offseason, because he would he
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: would in OTAs you know how they say, hey, let
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: him catch the ball, And like, we not built like that, Pete,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: were not letting nobody catch this ball. Were not let
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: And if you gonna show highlights and do all the
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: things you do and try to hype this offense up,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: we're gonna break the next to dislodge this ball. So
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: if you want to avoid that, send us home, send us,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: send a defense home, and then you guys can run
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: normal practices. But while you're out here doing it like
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: this and you're trying to show us up, you're gonna
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: get somebody hurt. And that's what would happened. We be
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: on that offseason and you got broken collar bones and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: broken arms and broken this, and it's like.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: You know what, Sharon, but you know, you know what
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I hear from you though. You guys took leadership in
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the locker room. M hmmm, because it's your team. Yeah,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, right, Pete, they head coach, but it's your team.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: M hm right, And that's how we felt like we felt. Yeah, listen,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Chuck Roe was a coach, you know, Bill Carr was
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: a coach. But it's our team. It's our We're gonna
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: practice away. We need to practice to win. And if
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you don't like it, you know, Chuck would. Chuck was
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: old school, So Chuck was like, she, hey, guys, get hurt,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: he gonna we're gonna go ten yards down the field
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and huddle up. It's like, if you know then Bill
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: was kind of the same way, because Bill's that you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: most defensive coaches are kind of old schoolish and it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: some type of mindset, right, So Bill was kind of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: like that. But once you go to the OTA one
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: and O T A two's and O T A three's,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it puts you in a different
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: mindset because you're always in the building. Because you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: when I first came in, it wasn't no. I mean,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: we had a whole bunch of our all seasons. I
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: did on my own workouts. OTAs every everybody's in the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: building every single day. They're working out, they're doing the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: little things. So it is a different game. But the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: what I what I like about you, You remind me
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: like we could have played together. And I can say
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that I don't say that lightly, like when I like,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you got to be a baller to be able to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: play on that Steeler team or the Railers team, you
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: gotta have that. You gotta have that mindset, just like
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: yours your leading a boom. You got to have a
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: certain mindset to put to be a legion of boom.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: You can't come in there soft mind it. You'll run
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: them out. You'll run them out the field like mak
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: it ain't no, you ain't the part of the legion
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: of boom.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Wen right, you ain't built like that.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: No.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: So I mean, so that's what I like about your
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: your teams because we were so much alike. And when
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you start going from the different generations, every good defense
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: all thought alike. The mail blunt and he talked about
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the steel curtain. You talk to me and Joe Green
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: could me. Joe Green was our defense line coach when
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I was there. That dude wouldn't mean. He's like, we
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: should watch the eight milimeter film when I first came
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: in the league, and if the defensive line did something wrong, though,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: he would throw that projector against the wall and you
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: could hear it, like, because you know Tony Quiet, Tony
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: his room is right next to the line room. Tony
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: he talking to us, but he ain't yelling Josh Joe.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: You can hear man. It felt like like AC units
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: were hitting walls. I ask, this dude is grave, I
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: said that. And if he was any as a coach,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: he was like that. I said. As a player, I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: couldn't even imagine planning against the dude. And but being
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: in the locker room with him being a locker, he's
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: gona hold everybody countible. So I think all the great
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: defenses over the general all have certain a certain trade,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and that one trade is, hey, we about that business,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: mm hmm.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: And it's a standard, and it's a standard you live
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: up to every day. And I think that's the whenever
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I talk to people, and I talk to young guys,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: and people want to be great defenses. I say, like,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: there's an accountability that has to be there, that's inherent.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: That there's no disrespect, that you got to disrespect anybody
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: or any anything like that. There's always love in it.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: It's always hey, we have the same goal in mind.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: So when you're holding each other accountable, it ain't no MFIs.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: And you want because these grown men you're dealing with,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: you know you can't play like that and expect to
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: get a good result. But men that desire the same
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: thing and hold the same standard can accept accountability and
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: coaching from one another. They can accept, hey, I need
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: better from you right there in order for us to
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: get to where we're getting. You don't have to be
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: like hey, what are you doing on that play? It's like, hey,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: you just got to look at him like come on, now,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: you know we Hey we better than that. Huh, come
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: on we at next play. I can't wait to see
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: you on this next play because they got you messed
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: up if they think that's about to happen again, Like,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I know you better than that, right, And I think
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the standard that we held ourselves to every day. And
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I'll give Earl Thomas a lot of credit for his
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: practice habits because he practiced like his hair was on
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: fire every day. And so when you see that and
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: it's jumping off on tape, you have to match it.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: There's no like, hey man, look at him. He's doing
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: a great job. I hope he plays like this that
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: game day. It's like, no, I'm like that too, Like
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I'm there too, and I'm i'm I'm at the ball
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and we're punching at it, we're smacking at it. If
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: he gets interception, I need to get too, like we're
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and we're competing in that way within the scheme, within
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the confines of winning football. And when you do that,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: it just makes for a beautiful product. And I appreciate
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: it being able to play with those guys and having
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: like minded people. And I'm sure you feel the same
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: way with everybody in your building and the defenses you
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: played on. When when guys are tied in going the
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: same way, it's a it's a tough thing to stop.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: It is and not got Like I said, I think
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: there's so many different traits that carryed from generations, from
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: every defense that when you start talking about these good defenses.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Everybody had the same mentality, the same mindset. But the
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: one key is you policed yourself. I didn't need my
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: coach to tell me, right, I police myself, and we
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: police each other like we'd be like, hey, I mean,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, sometimes you get in arguments with each other.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: That's what families do to right, family. Hey, sometimes you
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: get on each other, but you love each other at
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the end of the day. And that's what That's what
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I've always seemed to learn from listening to the you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: the purfle people eaters, the Orange Crush, the Steel Curtain.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I guess we've I guess we're called the
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Bullies of Baltimore, right, you know, leads in a boom,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: All those good, great defenses over the course of time,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: all have a certain trait. And that one trade is
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: every time we come to work and we crossed ourn
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: white line, it's about work. We're gonna play like we're
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: gonna practice this, like we want to play on a
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: consistent basis. And that's what I mean. That's the reason
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I love wing you guys play, because man, you guys
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: brought the wood you brought. I mean, it was watching
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you guys play was like a reminded me of our teams.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And when I when I give love to other defenses,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it's not no, it's not tongue and cheap. It's like
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: true respect it because you don't see it that often.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: It comes from right once in every ten or so years,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: those type of defenses and in the different different generations.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: But man, the way you guys played man, it was
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: fun to watch some dudes. Man.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: No, I appreciate that. I appreciate that, and that's why
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I get.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I get so frustrated with this man versus zone debate
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: with people where they're like.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, this corner played all man, he was better.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It's like, first off, not anybody in the league that's
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: playing straight man in this day and age. It's not
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: nobody because and it's not because they can't. It's because
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the rest of the defense can. Like there may be
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: individual corners that can play man ninety percent of the
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: time and be fine, but can your linebackers play man
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: all time? Can the safeties play man all the time?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Because if they can't, then that's not good defense. And
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: nobody's gonna put them in those positions to figure it out.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And so you know, that's one of the frustrating things
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: because they'd be like, oh, you were one of the
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: best zone corners, Like no, I was just one of
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: the best corners, like I played at all. I played
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: whatever they called on the play, and I made it work.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to hear your thoughts on that.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I think because remember when we first started talking, you said,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: let's I'm three and cover three. If I'm the x dB,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I'm playing, I'm on the X side. Right, I'm playing man.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: It's been a man. I'm up and outside I'm man.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Now he runs y'allocross. I ain't chasing him, right, I'm
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: crawling across, but he's gonna be reducedblit to be gonna
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: run yall across working, or he's going to be you know, Honi,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: that's the only way you can get to it. So
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: to me, you know, having those arguments about zone call,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: like you know, when people say zone, I said, listen,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: great defensive backs can do it all. I could plays
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a flight. I didn't play man. I played man zone.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I did it my way. The great players can do both,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: and the great defense can do both. It's hard to
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: just just say okay, we're all zoned, Well, you're gonna
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: be all cover two and just play cover two all day.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: You can't do that. So I don't think people when
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: people make that statement, I don't think they understand football
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: because the thing there's versions even though you're inside of
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Even though you might it might be a zone call,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: you got a concept of man somewhere on that zone
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: call unless it's a condensed split. If it's condensed lip,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: then we're probably playing the true zone, right because where
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: we're backing up a little bit, we're gonna let everything
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: that like unfold and then we're gonna match it right right.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: That's that's Other than that, there's always a version of
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: of playing the zone, of playing man inside of each
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: one of their defense, each defense. So you know, saying
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: what that is. What I'm a fan of is ballers.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Can you can you play ball? Can you play deep?
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Can you make play? And what I really like is
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: like making plays on the ball, Like when the ball
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: goes up, that's my ball and thing to receive a ball,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: that's my My mindset was always like that interception, first
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: PBu second tackle if he catch it. That's how I
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: thought me too, right, like in the Great to Me
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: when you talk to the great deep mel Blunt. That
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: was the same way, Lim Barney, the same way, Dick Lebo,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: the same way. All the great defensive backs have that
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: mindset where that's all mine, man, when it goes into it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I got the same right to the ball as a receiver.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I can't climb on his back and all that stuff,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I get it, but I still got the same right.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: So what we used to teach was, Hey, Tony used
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: to teach us, if if you make contact with the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: receiver the same time the ball get there, that is
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: not passing appearance. And I was like, really, So we
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: used to do a drill on the big dump tackling
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: dummy where he throws the ball right on the side
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: edge and we used to come up with our shoulder
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: pad and going through the ball right and so because
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it gets used to the contact because normally DB's drop
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the ball when they're making contact with the receiver and
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: trying to catch the ball at the same time. We
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: used to do that drill over and over and over.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: We did too. You did the drill.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I don't ever see anybody do that drill anymore.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris christ Shard had us do it all the time,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: and it would it would be the point of contact
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: drill or point of whatever, the point of contact whatever
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: they called it, point of attack. And either you go
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: for the PBu or you go for the pick, depending
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: on the time you make it.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: But go for the pick until you can't.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean see that to me is that's how
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you get good. Really, dbs who can make the contact
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: still get interceptions. Most dds get PBUs And may be
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: talking about people and listen, I love people run. I say,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: game changers get picks, right, like when the ball touched
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: your hand, you got to pick.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: So in today's game, what dB has you like? Has
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: you enthralled and infatuated with his game and how he's
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: playing a position with the way you think about it.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I like, I'm a stall likes your ten like I
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: mean long, can run, can make plays.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I means to like.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Wooland you know, with Seattle, I like Gonzales, I like Mitchell,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I like sting Lee, Donn Houston. There's a lot of
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: players that I individually like, but the defense like Mike,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Mike brought that like that dog to back to Seattle.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: But watching Houston Texan defense like them dudes, them dudes
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: remind me of you guys because they was knocking cats out.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is this is leading to
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: boom two point oh because they hitting everybody moving mm hmm.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, And so I mean I like watching those
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: type of games where defenses are flying to the ball
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and laying cats out and if they get the flag,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: they get a flag. Like, so it ain't gon too,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: that's not going to need tour me that I'm gonna
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: play fast, you know. But so I've got a group
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: of players that I really like to watch, but I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: really like to watch complete defenses, like just male offenses,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: because it's a little harder to do in the day's
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: game because everybody is overly protected on offense, right, So
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: it's harder for the dbs to do that. And then
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: they just got to figure out how the rest are
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: calling the game that day and how they're gonna play
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: inside of the game.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Right, And that's that's the hard part because it's so
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: subjective in this this day and age. But if you
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: were building a perfect modern day dB, what are three
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: traits that are non negotiable?
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: Ooh, My three traits are non negotiable toughness mm hmmm. Uh,
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: I guess grid is kind of like toughness.
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: So so toughness, uh my negotiable toughness short, I cants.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, shoot, that's a great question.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: You can you can encompass anything.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: You can encompassate a football IQ, ball skills, speed, athleticism.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: So the toughness the football not playing in a box
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: like if if that makes sense. I know it's not
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: a it's not a one word or one trait, but
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of times we live in this box and
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the defense tells us this is x y Z, this
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: is you know, you got your one third corner, you
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: got two to one to two to displays, blah blah
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah. And we live in that, right,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the great ones don't live in there. You're right, right,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: And so you try to find those guys who understand football.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, football is a
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: simple game. It's not easy to play at a high
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: level on a consistent basis. Right if you go back
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: to and I'm answer, I'll get you. I'll give you
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: the third treatment once I make a statement. But go
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: back to Pop Warner when we play plot born in football,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: the football goes to the right side. Every players over
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: on the right side with the ball. And as we grow,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: especially defensively, you're gonna your coaches are gonna say, I
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: need you in the middle of the field or your
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: defensive end. You can't bowld early, you can't do this,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: you can't do that. I need you here, I need
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: you there, I need this. And we get some the
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: most of the players, ninety of those players are gonna
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: get locked in and saying if I have to do
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: this because my coach is telling me to do this,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: mm hmm. But the real good ones, sir, got a
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: filter in their head. I remember, I remember Rob Russ
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: guy told me, he said, hey, listen, coaches are going
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to say a lot of different things to you. Listen
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: to them, look out mile at him, and in your
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: head if you want to say shut the half up,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: say it in your head, but don't say it to
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: the couch. And he said, but always smile at him.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: So anytime I don't you say something that I really
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: didn't agree with, I'd be like, yeah, I got you
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: in my head. I'm like after that, like I'm going
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: out do ball. So to me is like, try to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: find that guy that that can play outside the box
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: and make plays for you. That's just that's that's one
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: of the things you're always looking for. And then I
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: think thirdly, ball skills, because the balls matter. I mean,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: getting the football for your team matters. So pbu's are great,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: But man, getting interceptions changes the dynamic of football game
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: because it can if you don't score, it shortens the
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: field for your offense with the probabilities of them scoring increases.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Right, And and that's the part I think that's going
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: away from playing dB in the league at least corner
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: like they're not taking a ball away at the level
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: that he used to be taken away.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Would they take bad angles? I mean, it's if you
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: really watch it. If I'm really being honest, when I'm
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: watching games weekend and week out, because you know, I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: call the game for the Ravenas and I'm watching the games,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I really get frustrated of guys not knowing how to play,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Like don't you see your angle? Do you not see
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: where you're at? Do you not know like your split rules?
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Do you not like you don't see that? And then
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: in their heads and then obviously they don't because they
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: do it over and over and over. But the problem
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: is sharing. If you think about it, there's a lot
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: of young coaches out there, not saying that they're bad coaches, right,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I'm staying that they're still good. But I learned from
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: all my ogs. They are older coaches that been through
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: the riggers, that' been through it, and they taught me
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: all the nuggets that they learned over the course of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: their time frame, like being a human being. They a
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: thirty year old rod and a sixty yeard ride. I'm
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: way wiser at sixty than I was at thirty. Right,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: That's what we get. And I think that's what happens
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: in foot that's what's happening in football because we've gone
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: so young in coaches, but we're young in the lead too, right,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: So you know, starters or if you're a first rounder
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: or second rounder, I mean you're starting, you're playing, you're
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of reps and heck, I know. I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: mean when I came in the league, man, I was
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I was getting bonded over bag Dad. I mean, I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: was getting.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Got you can't you can't learning.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I was learning, but I was still getting God. And
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: it took me a little while. The kid going I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: mean if if if I was into the league today,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh I do is a bust exact
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: part he's a bus because we don't give these kids,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: like I always say, you got to give them three years.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: The third year should be the year you should see
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: glimpses and flashes the first two. That third year should
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: be that and some some guys you can see it
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: in the second year, right, I think you should. We
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: should give kids at least three years to like try
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: to get through this whole thing and to learn the game.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: But also hopefully the coaches learn more and they can
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: give it to the players. You know. You know my
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: biggest thing with the really good players of that man
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: just don't live in the box.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Like when you talk to Troy Palamonlo, you talk to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: every they didn't live in no box. They didn't live
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: a no box. I remember, I was like we were
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: playing Sea or were playing the Raiders. When I was
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: with the Ravens, we covered three. Tim Brown is a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: shallow cross, and now I'm covered three. Now I don'tuposed
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: to take the shallow cross. Ridge gannon like this though.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I took off and by the time I got to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the other side of the numbers. He hit me in
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: the chest with the ball touchdown. It was like a
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: twenty yard touchdown. I come to the sideline and Marven's like,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: you can't jump down. I said, coach, you was looking
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: at Aim. They was looking at em like, hey, so
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: you know to me getting those players who still know
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: how to play and are willing to play inside of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: their system, those are the guys. Are those generational players,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: like players like you who can make plays, like the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: leading a Boombo, guys who play with you, who can
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: make plays. Those are the type of players you're trying
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: to find, and they're hard to find.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really hard to find because that's a sensitive
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: balance because like like that's why people don't understand.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: They're like, you guys are just playing Cover three.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: It was it's like you don't understand how many times
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: we broke that to create interceptions, like, hey, it's cover three,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: but hey two and three are vertical. It's three by
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: one twos vertical. The over route took the safety, the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: safety bent on that twos wide open. I leave one
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: wide open to go pick the seam of two. Not
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: because that's the way it's written. Because the way it's
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: written the safety probably should have been leaning there and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: then you know, force the ball somewhere else. But that's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: not how it always happens on the field. And to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: be able to see it and react to it in
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: real time and correct the mistake and create a turnover
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: and a position where it would have usually been a
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: touchdown because of mistakes, that's what difference makers do. And
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about something else before I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: because I want to take your whole day up. What
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: do you think of this whole Max Crosby thing, like
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: he was a Baltimore raven for like five seconds.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Now, Tree, I mean, I did a podcast talk about
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: what the Ravens got, you know, uh, and how good
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: he can be with the Ravens if nony mad A
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: BK comes back. I'm like that. I was blown away
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: because I didn't see the news and then I got
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: a text from one of my dudes in like Max
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: felt the physical I like, right, I'm like, I was like, well,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean, it's just, I mean, very unfortunate
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: for the Ravens and for Max, because I think Max
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: wanted to have a kind of refreshing moment to go
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: somewhere where else and played football, so that that's you know,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I know, it's frustrating for him. Unfortunately, hopefully he finds
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: he gets healthy again, whatever it might have been, whatever
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: his body's going through, he gets healthy again. Just unfortunate
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: that the Ravens didn't get him, because if the Ravens
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: would have got him, and I don't know where Nominde
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Metabk's at with his recovery from with his neck injury,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: and if he came back, oh man, that defense would
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: have been crazy.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Did you did you hear what happened?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: They picked up Trey Hendrickson.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, So I saw trade.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: I saw trade, so so trade and had He's had
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: ten more secks than Max over since twenty nineteen, so
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: I think that's but they had to keep those picks.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: That was when they lost Lennenbaum and they lost Likely
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: and they lost all these people. I think that's what
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: what cost him. I think they they had a They
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: could have went either way with Max Crosby. I mean,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: they knew what he was, they knew where he was
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: and his recovery coming back regardless, like they had already
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: talked to Elatrosh. You didn't need to bring him in
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: to see. But I think once free agency started to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: go and they started to see that, hey, Trey Hendrickson's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: market is going to be what it is and we
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: could potentially get him and then keep our picks.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Oh you think they you think they were that they sung?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: That's what people are saying.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Who you know? Because this is what I said. This
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: is what I said when I thought the deal was
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: going through. What they're gonna get Max? Because I said,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: the only way it makes sense to get Max if
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: non no Metabiki is coming back, but Anami's not coming back.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: You need a dtackle, You're gonna need a center. You're
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: gonna need another tight end, you need another receiver, right,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: You're gonna need you. I mean the interior defensive front
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: rushing wise, rush wise was lacking last year. So I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: was a little surprised about that.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: Unfortunate, but I that's a that's an interest way of
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: looking at it, though, Like if they if they saw
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: how it was unfolding, because my thing is giving up.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Those pigs because you need them, you need them, You
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: need those pigs. The only way you give them up
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: is that Nomi is coming back. But if nomb wasn't
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: or he's still question mark. You still need you still
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: need office alignment, right, I mean Lennon Baum, he was
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: the anchor of the center outside there. I mean Ronnie Stanley,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I get that. But you know, Lennon Malm was a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: baller likely Lee's, you know. So I mean it's it
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: would be that's that's an interesting take because I saw
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: that in but I never thought about it like that.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the way it's being perceiving. That's the
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  Speaker 2: where my brain is seeing it is saying, hey, we
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  Speaker 2: could get him, we could get a comparable player. I
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  Speaker 2: think they think Trey Henderson, a guy who's been in
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  Speaker 2: their division, who has been very productive and great player,
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  Speaker 2: comparable to Max Crosby. You can, you know, argue with
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  Speaker 2: somebody else about who's more valuable. But I think it's
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  Speaker 2: it's close enough that they say, hey, we keep multiple
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  Speaker 2: first round picks that we can use to strengthen our
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  Speaker 2: team and get the same player without losing the picks.
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  Speaker 2: Like that, that's a that's a home run. And all
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  Speaker 2: we got to do is is have a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a black eye in the public for a second,
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  Speaker 2: like we gotta we gotta deal with a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of turmoil that hey, we backed out of a deal
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  Speaker 2: and and our word isn't as good as it used
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was shocked that this Ravens were going to give
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  Speaker 1: up two picks because it's not what they do, right,
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  Speaker 1: That's not who they are. So I was shocked about that.
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  Speaker 1: Then I was like, Okay, Crosby, I get it. Dudes,
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  Speaker 1: a baller, he got that dog inning. He can be
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  Speaker 1: a closer because if you look at the last several years,
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  Speaker 1: they've lost a lot of games in the fourth quarter
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  Speaker 1: where they didn't make plays for him. So I kind
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  Speaker 1: of get it. But if Nambi's not coming back now,
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  Speaker 1: that's a head scratcher move for me. But I kind
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  Speaker 1: of like what you're saying. If they saw how everything
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  Speaker 1: was unfolding in the free agency market and Trey, yes,
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  Speaker 1: Trey's inside of the inside the division already, they knows
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  Speaker 1: what they're getting because the one thing that lacked from
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens last year was past rush consistently right right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean didn't have it consistently. Now they got Green,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Green, who I think is going to be really
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  Speaker 1: good player. But then if you bring you bring Henderson in,
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  Speaker 1: and I was thinking, like, you bring Crosby in, you
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  Speaker 1: got nom Day, you got another couple of young guys
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  Speaker 1: on the other side, even van Ney. Then you got
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  Speaker 1: some players and you're deepens followed again, right, But I
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  Speaker 1: like that. I like that. But then you know one
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  Speaker 1: thing I liked at the end of the day. They
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  Speaker 1: keep their picks.
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  Speaker 2: They keep their picking and they and they need them
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  Speaker 2: this year and they need them to actually competitive. All right, Well,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Rod. This meant a lot to me, man,
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  Speaker 2: this was a great conversation. I've been looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: this for a long time. I appreciate you joining me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to take up the rest of your day.
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  Speaker 2: I think we could talk to five hours about fo I.
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  Speaker 1: Tell you what, man, anytime, Bro, anytime. I got much
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  Speaker 1: respect for you, Bro. I love what you do. I
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that that. We definitely gonna hit you up
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I tell my you know, and I
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: tell my wife for all the time I said, I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: know a little bit about a lot, but I know
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: a lot about football.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot you and you're a brilliant football
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