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157: The Highs and Lows of the Remake · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Name the remake of the groundbreaking horror movie in which
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  Speaker 1: the villain.
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  Speaker 4: Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: Texas Chainsaw.
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  Speaker 7: Dawn of the Dead.
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  Speaker 5: The Hills Have Eyes.
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  Speaker 7: Amityville Horror.
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  Speaker 8: Less House on the Left.
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  Speaker 5: Friday the 13th.
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  Speaker 1: A Nightmare on Elm Street.
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  Speaker 5: My Bloody Valentine.
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  Speaker 7: When a Stranger Calls.
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  Speaker 1: Prom Night.
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  Speaker 7: Black Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: House of Wax.
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  Speaker 9: The Fog.
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  Speaker 7: Piranha.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those, right?
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  Speaker 10: Right way down among brazilians coffee beans grow by the
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  Speaker 10: billions so they've got to find those extra cups to
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  Speaker 10: fill they got an awful lot of coffee in brazil what's.
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  Speaker 7: Up and welcome to movie meltdown i'm brian i'm fred
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  Speaker 7: You're the one that said to do it now.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 7: And we are back for another episode of The Caffeinated
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  Speaker 7: Movie Geek and Cookies.
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  Speaker 2: Cappuccino on my butt.
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  Speaker 4: I still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 2: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 2: It's time for The Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to do a little bit
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  Speaker 4: longer intro, but hey.
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  Speaker 2: Have you done this before?
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  Speaker 5: I have.
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  Speaker 2: What's funny is we were, like, preparing for this moment
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  Speaker 2: for 20 minutes, an hour, and then we can't get
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  Speaker 2: it together.
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  Speaker 7: Sounds about right.
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  Speaker 4: We're drinking coffee and eating cookies.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah. That's how you bribe all these people. Oh, no, wait,
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  Speaker 7: just us.
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  Speaker 4: All these people.
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  Speaker 7: We're coming to you live via digital recording from Nancy's
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  Speaker 7: Bagel Rounds, where the few of us will get together,
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  Speaker 7: drink coffee, talk movies, and eat cookies.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: What else do we do?
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes we take pictures.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, occasionally. I want to document each one, so if
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  Speaker 7: somebody can just take photos each time as we go.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going to be in a picture, Greg, you
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  Speaker 2: might want to zip your pants.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 7: Just like every week we have. All right, so, gang,
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  Speaker 7: I ask you, what blend of coffee are we drinking
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  Speaker 7: this week?
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  Speaker 4: Thundermox.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 7: They specifically said they wanted to do it in unison.
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  Speaker 2: Next time we're going to do it, we'll harmonize, though.
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  Speaker 2: You go low, I'll go.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to do the Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young
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  Speaker 4: kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: We don't even have enough to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: We don't have enough of a crew to do that.
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  Speaker 4: We've got Crosby, Stills, and.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can sing two parts at once, like Morticia's
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  Speaker 2: sister on The Addams Family, if you remember that. She
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  Speaker 2: could sing harmonies with herself, and she had flowers growing
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  Speaker 2: in her hair. That was lovely.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: All right, so with that, I guess I will knock
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  Speaker 7: out my geek activities this time around. Actually, I've seen
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  Speaker 7: quite a bit, and a few of them I'm going
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  Speaker 7: to save for the second half because I've actually watched
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  Speaker 7: quite a few remakes lately. But one that I watched
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  Speaker 7: just yesterday is really– it's half the reason. Like, I
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  Speaker 7: kind of half wanted to watch it like a week
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  Speaker 7: or so ago when I first saw it show up.
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  Speaker 7: But after last week's, you know, the last full movie
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  Speaker 7: discussion that we had, it really needed to be watched.
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  Speaker 7: I watched Trespass, which is Nicolas Cage, Nicole Kidman– Basically,
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  Speaker 7: people break into their house and hold them hostage, which
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  Speaker 7: sounds really familiar to a movie we just talked about. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I almost wanted to watch it in comparison because it's
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  Speaker 7: doing such a different version of that. This is like
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  Speaker 7: the most Hollywood version of that exact same story. And
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  Speaker 7: I didn't realize until the end why. I mean, I
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  Speaker 7: think I kind of remember when the trailer first came out,
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  Speaker 7: seeing who directed it. It's Joel Schumacher. Oh, yeah. It's
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  Speaker 7: so weird. He does, like, such back-and-forth stuff. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: he can do stuff that's a little different and kind
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  Speaker 7: of good, and then he does the most mainstream, watered-down,
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  Speaker 7: generic stuff ever. And that's kind of what the... I mean,
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  Speaker 7: it wasn't bad if you like these kind of movies, but,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's, like, by the numbers exactly how... I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: some of the stuff going on And then some of
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  Speaker 7: these shots he works in, he keeps doing these little
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  Speaker 7: like cutaways that one of the guys is having these
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  Speaker 7: like almost like dream sequence shots of Nicole Kidman that
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  Speaker 7: look like they're shooting like a fragrance commercial. Like some
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  Speaker 7: of the stuff he shoots is like so cheesy. It's
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  Speaker 7: like Michael Bay level of cheesiness, which is saying something
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  Speaker 7: because this stuff just looks cheesy. cheesy you know it's
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  Speaker 7: like he's they they've both of them they found this
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  Speaker 7: way to take something that's very simple and just the
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  Speaker 7: framing of a shot or the the color scheme or
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  Speaker 7: the way that they have that just looks cheesy that
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  Speaker 7: just looks so oh it's so bad the way they
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  Speaker 7: just kind of force that into the scene and there's
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  Speaker 7: a lot of other parts in the movie that are
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  Speaker 7: just kind of normal but yeah he cuts to those
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  Speaker 7: and i would almost laugh every time but i'm like
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  Speaker 7: what is this we're looking at here It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: maybe that's the fragrance. Schumacher. They just need to run that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's Kidman. I think we
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  Speaker 2: all dream about Al.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you need the by, kind of like the by
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  Speaker 7: Calvin Klein. Oh, yes. Kidman by Schumacher. So, yeah, other
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  Speaker 7: than that, it is funny looking at Trifft Pass in
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  Speaker 7: comparison with Funny Games, because Funny Games is at least
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  Speaker 7: really trying and going out of its way to comment on,
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  Speaker 7: you know, these... these cheesy movies and this is that
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  Speaker 7: cheesy movie it actually does all the things that it's
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  Speaker 7: pointing out and it's funny because this was just made
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  Speaker 7: last year so i mean it's not like they're referencing
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  Speaker 7: you know that movie it's like this movie came out
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  Speaker 7: after like 10 years past the first one plus and
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  Speaker 7: still has yeah it's just hitting the exact same points
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  Speaker 7: in every one of these house taken over by terrorist movies,
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  Speaker 7: which I mean, there's a lot. I was thinking there's
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  Speaker 7: like desperate hours. There's, I mean, there's so many that
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  Speaker 7: it's almost its own little sub genre.
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  Speaker 4: Now you want my favorite, the refs with Dennis Leary.
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  Speaker 7: You know, at the time I had not watched that
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  Speaker 7: in a long time. I'm thinking we need to work
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  Speaker 7: that in. It's like a holiday movie for our big Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: It could be a good holiday movie, but yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: in that lighthearted way, Hey, this guy's holding us hostage.
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  Speaker 7: You know, that's, It's more of a fun version, I suppose.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. Trespass. It's watchable. It's not terrible.
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  Speaker 7: It's just pretty boring as those type of movies go.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have any use for most Nicole Kidman movies.
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  Speaker 2: You know, something I really loved her in was an
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  Speaker 2: early movie in her career called Flirting, which is about
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  Speaker 2: a boys' school in Australia that was across the lake
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  Speaker 2: from a girls' school And it was just like a
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  Speaker 2: growing-up romance, and she was not the romantic person. She
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  Speaker 2: was like an older student at the school. It was
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  Speaker 2: like a hall monitor and had this authority that sort
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  Speaker 2: of went to her head. But then when she decided
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  Speaker 2: to be cool and be friends, it was just hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: It was great.
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  Speaker 7: I was so hoping you were going to say BMX bands.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. That's the best word to say.
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  Speaker 7: We're adding that to the list, aren't we? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I've seen it a couple times.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of hers.
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  Speaker 7: She's one of those that is all over the map.
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  Speaker 7: There's stuff that is so... This is so boring. She
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  Speaker 7: doesn't even try very hard. This is just so lame.
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  Speaker 7: And then she'll do other stuff that she shows she's
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  Speaker 7: got talent. I don't know. It's very strange.
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  Speaker 4: What was the ghost? Was it The Others?
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  Speaker 7: The Others is a really good movie.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I liked a lot of it.
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  Speaker 7: It's well made.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's no orphanage.
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  Speaker 7: No, it's no orphanage.
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy that the orphanage hasn't been remade yet.
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  Speaker 7: Give it time.
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  Speaker 4: Because I think it would be really bad.
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  Speaker 7: Give it time.
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  Speaker 4: I told you all about it. That was on an episode,
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  Speaker 4: wasn't it? Yeah, it was. Where we had the two-part
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  Speaker 4: love our kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's why I watched it after you talked
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  Speaker 2: about it. I decided to watch it. I was stunned
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  Speaker 2: how great it was. Good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad somebody said it. I loaned that to someone
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  Speaker 4: and never gave it back, and I've not heard from
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  Speaker 4: him in a long time. So if you're listening, Chris,
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  Speaker 4: I want my movie back.
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  Speaker 7: Give me that back.
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  Speaker 4: I know you listen sometimes. You've told me about it.
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  Speaker 7: So aside from that, I also saw this one was
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  Speaker 7: almost directly tied to a purchase, which if you're on
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  Speaker 7: the Facebook page, I actually posted on there. Last weekend
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  Speaker 7: I went to the big cheesy flea market. And found the,
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  Speaker 7: uh i think it's the deadly hands of kung fu
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  Speaker 7: nice comic book that had the special one-off special edition
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  Speaker 7: with billy jack in it oh yeah which is it
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  Speaker 7: was pretty awesome i'm glad i picked it up but
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  Speaker 7: um thinking that i got home and i was like
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  Speaker 7: i if i had ever seen billy jack i don't
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  Speaker 7: remember 99 of it so The next day, I was like, alright,
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  Speaker 7: I'm watching Billy Jack. So I watched Billy Jack. It's
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  Speaker 7: another one of those I would throw out there for us,
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  Speaker 7: because there's some interesting stuff going on there.
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  Speaker 2: I bet I could retrieve the entire song word for
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  Speaker 2: word from my memory.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know that we should go down there.
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  Speaker 4: No, I want you to do a two-part arm. A
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  Speaker 4: two-part arm. With flowers growing out of your head.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny, I can't remember things I need to know,
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  Speaker 2: but like stupid, cheesy songs that come on the radio,
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  Speaker 2: I find that I know the words to all of them.
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  Speaker 7: Every word.
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  Speaker 2: Every one.
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  Speaker 4: For me, it's bad commercials from when I was a child.
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  Speaker 2: Even the ones I've forgotten that they existed. Still, somehow
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  Speaker 2: I know the words to them.
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  Speaker 7: Every once in a while I'll do that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be like, God, why do I.
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  Speaker 12: Know all these words?
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  Speaker 7: It's scary. Let's see. The only other one that I
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  Speaker 7: won't bring up later because it's not a remake is
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  Speaker 7: I Saw Hugo. Which is actually really good. It was
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  Speaker 7: one of those I haven't been to the theater in,
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  Speaker 7: I don't know, four or five months. Yeah, it's been
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  Speaker 7: a long time. I have no money, nobody else wants
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  Speaker 7: to go, but this one, it's like because it was 3D,
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  Speaker 7: and as much as I'm sick of 3D, and I
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  Speaker 7: don't like giving money to 3D crap that they don't
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  Speaker 7: pay any attention to the technology, especially if they're just
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  Speaker 7: up converting any of that nonsense, I really don't want
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  Speaker 7: to give them the money, but I mean, this not
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  Speaker 7: only is them specifically setting out to make a 3D movie,
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  Speaker 7: but it's Scorsese setting out to make a 3D movie.
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  Speaker 7: So for that, it's like I kind of wanted to
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  Speaker 7: see it in that experience, because you're not going to
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  Speaker 7: get that again. And once you're at home, it's going
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  Speaker 7: to be a totally different thing. And again, in a way,
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  Speaker 7: almost to just kind of support what Scorsese's tried to
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  Speaker 7: do at this point. And, you know, for him, that's,
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  Speaker 7: I think, what is so awesome about it, really. It's
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  Speaker 7: like the story itself, like the kid story that's going
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  Speaker 7: on there is just kind of a basic story and
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  Speaker 7: that almost could have been its own little movie told
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  Speaker 7: by anybody it's you know once you get into it
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  Speaker 7: you realize it's not a kid's movie about you know
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  Speaker 7: a robot guy or whatever the hell that looks like
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  Speaker 7: it is in the trailer because it's a really misleading
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  Speaker 7: trailer that it really is this like love letter to
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  Speaker 7: film and it really is all about you know the
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  Speaker 7: the guy who makes that you know voyage to the
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  Speaker 7: moon and you know it like focuses on all of
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  Speaker 7: these early films and and how much It's looking at
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  Speaker 7: it through the eyes of these kids who are discovering
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  Speaker 7: film and you're realizing that's Scorsese and it's how much
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  Speaker 7: he loves film and it's showing this overview of all
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  Speaker 7: the early film stuff. I think that's the impressive part.
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  Speaker 7: And to watch him watch how much he loves film
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  Speaker 7: and at the same time watch him sort of trying
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  Speaker 7: to embrace a whole new technology and grow as an artist.
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  Speaker 7: How many years has he been doing this? But it's
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  Speaker 7: like he opened a whole new door into film himself.
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  Speaker 7: So it is almost that little bit of discovery in
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  Speaker 7: there for this director who, you know, by now it
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  Speaker 7: should be old hat, but he's found a new way
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  Speaker 7: to make it challenging again, which I think is kind
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  Speaker 7: of interesting. The 3D is good. It's just like all
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  Speaker 7: of them. It's like, it's almost, it works for that
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  Speaker 7: novelty and I like it there. But again, I would
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  Speaker 7: almost like to go back and rewatch it in 2D.
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  Speaker 7: Like I wanted to get the experience, but it's, it's
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  Speaker 7: still sort of distracting sometimes. I mean, it's, There's stuff
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  Speaker 7: it does that is amazing with the 3D technology, and
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  Speaker 7: there are times where, especially this opening sweeping shot where
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  Speaker 7: you feel like you're moving, like it actually physically feels
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  Speaker 7: like you're zipping along with the camera. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: it does that kind of stuff and does it well.
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  Speaker 7: It does a lot of the layered stuff amazingly well,
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  Speaker 7: and stuff really does look, you know, like there's depth
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  Speaker 7: to it, like it's, you know, just kind of not
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  Speaker 7: cheesy 3D stuff coming at your face, but a lot
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  Speaker 7: of stuff that's almost sitting outside of the screen and
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  Speaker 7: in the foreground that's actually outside of the screen in
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  Speaker 7: the theater sometimes. So it's like that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 7: is cool, but at the same time, just, I don't know,
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  Speaker 7: 3D in general, I'm kind of getting bored with it.
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  Speaker 7: It's overplayed at this point. It's cool to see what
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  Speaker 7: Scorsese's doing with it, but again, I don't know how
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  Speaker 7: much I'm getting in line for a lot of this
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  Speaker 7: other stuff. If they continue to keep doing this, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think the only.
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  Speaker 2: Way I would continue to see 3D is if.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody really pushes, I, I'm not 40.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll go when they make 40.
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  Speaker 4: I thought we already had, yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: you know, where it is over the top immersion in,
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  Speaker 4: in 3d overwhelmingly. So, because otherwise it's just gimmicky. And
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  Speaker 4: then the other, the other way, the other end of it,
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  Speaker 4: because I'm not going to sit there with those glasses
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  Speaker 4: on for two hours. It just, I can't do it. Um,
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  Speaker 4: And the money aspect. Movies like Final Destination, though, where
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  Speaker 4: it's already cheesy. you're doing it just for the spectacle.
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  Speaker 7: Which was the last one. That's what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's the last time I went to the theater.
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  Speaker 7: That's the last thing I've seen.
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  Speaker 4: And I can get behind, not for the price, but
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  Speaker 4: I can get behind that. That's fun.
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  Speaker 7: For the spectacle. Again, which is kind of what I
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  Speaker 7: like about the old, you know, it's still sort of
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  Speaker 7: playing that same William Castle card. You know, it's just like,
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  Speaker 7: look at this crazy stuff we're doing in the movies.
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  Speaker 7: Come on down. From that, you know, sales pitch angle,
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  Speaker 7: the fact that they're owning up to, I mean, This
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  Speaker 7: is going to be a big, goofy show. Come on
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  Speaker 7: down and see it. It's like, I understand that. I
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  Speaker 7: do like that kind of nonsense end of it. This
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  Speaker 7: is just going to be fun, so let's do it.
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  Speaker 4: So, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I can get behind that every once in a while,
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  Speaker 7: but I'm not going to be doing it every week.
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  Speaker 7: Other than that, there's like three other ones, but they're
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  Speaker 7: all part of the list. I've seen three more movies,
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  Speaker 7: and they're all remakes, which is sort of what led
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  Speaker 7: us into this.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of remakes, too, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So, I guess... We will take a break and come
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• 17:53
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• 18:01
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• 18:03
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• 18:08
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  Speaker 7: the upcoming show. This topic, as I mentioned, because just
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: since last time we were here, I've watched three movies
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: that were all remakes.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to hear which ones these are.
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: And.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: And I mean, the last two, the last two movies
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: that we've discussed on the show have both been remakes actually. So,
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: or have been remade and we were talking about the original,
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: but yeah, it got me thinking about remakes in general.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: And I thought I would kind of throw it out
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: there this week for you guys to address the obvious
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: issues with it. And then maybe actually the more I
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: looked at it, I started coming up with some pretty
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: good examples of a good way to do a remake.
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: And there's more than I, My knee-jerk reaction is to
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: hate the whole idea, but the more I looked at it,
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: I was like, there's a lot of really good technical
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: remakes out there. So, I mean, you can't condemn the
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: entire process. There's some good stuff. One of which is
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: the first one I will go into that I watched.
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: I finally watched Fright Night, the new one. Oh, yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: The one that I meant to go see at the
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: theater and didn't, again, because I never go out to
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: the theater. The Colin Farrell. The Colin Farrell, and I...
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: I mean, you can go back and listen to the episode.
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: We talked about it. I did not like the idea
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: from the get-go.
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: As, again, knee-jerk reaction to most remakes, but especially of
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: stuff that I love. And I love the original Fright Night.
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: I think it's one of the better horror movies in general.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: It's probably my favorite vampire movie that I can think
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: of offhand. It's definitely one of my favorite vampire movies.
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: So it was a really tough... Going into that one, knowing,
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: you know, how much it had, you know, sort of
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: to live up to or, you know, the deck stacked
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: against it going into that. Yeah, Fright Night is really good. Like,
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: I was not expecting to... I mean, it's just kind
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: of fun. I mean, it knows it's a fun horror
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: movie and it totally takes advantage of that. So, yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, as much as I expected to have issues
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: with it, like, just about everything they did... was right
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: really like in a way that i i didn't expect
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: it kind of hits all the notes of the first
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: one like there are but it almost switches them up
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: sometimes things happen in a different order than it did
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: in the first one or i mean they they slightly
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: adjust the character so that they're not quite you know
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: the same as they were but they end up sort
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: of falling into the same basic situation and they they
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: fill the same you know spot in the the characters
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: but Yeah, they do just enough different to make it interesting,
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: and everybody involved kind of does a good job with it. Yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: it's pretty damn entertaining. I had a lot of fun
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: with it. There's a little bit of cheesy CG stuff
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: in it, but again, it's a new movie. They always
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: put cheesy CG in it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: There was cheesy stuff in it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: Yes, but again, I.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Only recently saw the original.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're still going to do an original Fright Night episode,
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: but we just haven't gotten.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Around to it yet. Am I the only person who
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: gets a gay vibe from Chris Sarandon? He seems kind
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of gay for somebody who is married to Susan Sarandon.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Think i've always kind of gotten a gay vibe from
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: vampires anyway.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah well i mean that there again we could say
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: this for the whole episode but i mean there's a
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: weird relationship going on in that movie in particular yeah
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: right yeah but yeah that's a whole different story but
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: yeah we talked to chris saran and he's actually really
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: cool i don't know if i get that in the
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: real world he seems kind of different well i.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Mean um Dog Day Afternoon.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's definitely, again, in his roles, he, you know.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Prince Humperdinck really could care less about Buttercup.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: That's true. He's kind of fancy in that.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: He was going for just.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Butter, you know.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: He liked that six-fingered man a little too much.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: Again, a very odd relationship there, you have to say.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You know I love watching your work.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: That's true. So, yeah, he's kind of working on... a
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: very special list of movies there but.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Man uh what does that six finger imply in terms
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of a shocker i don't even want to know.
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: You don't want to know you can find out the
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: hard way.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: My my kids i recently showed them princess bride eight
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: and five of the kids they loved it um And
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: so much so that they even quote lines quite a
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: bit from it. Anytime on television they see someone kissing,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: they'll go, wait, wait, wait. Is this a kissing book?
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: And I love my kids for that because they've already
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: caught on to quoting movies. But the DVD skips right
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: when they're showing the six fingers on his hand when
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: they've come out of the forest. And my daughter was
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: just I have to see it. I have to see it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: So we had to get online and find a picture
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: of what the six fingers looked like because it never
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: shows it again after that point. So anyway, we can
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: move on since we've... That's awesome.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the remake is good as the general bullet point.
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: Fright Night, yeah. And that was sort of what kicked
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: it off for me because that was early on, like
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: a week or so ago, and I was like, I
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: went in expecting to not... Again, I was going in...
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: I wanted to watch it, and I'd heard pretty decent
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: things from people. It got a decent response when it
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: came out, but I went in with such a... Not
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: even a bad attitude, because I wanted to like it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: I was renting it. I wanted to have a fun
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: time watching the movie, but there was just so much
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: working against it. And then to get in there and
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: actually see that they found a way to do it
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: in sort of an original way and sort of have
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: their own spin to it, I thought that was.
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: Not only impressive as a movie, but it reminded me
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: that you can do that. So yeah, that's why I
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: wanted to throw it out there. In general, just kind
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: of talk about why do a remake? And why do
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: people keep doing it? And is there a better way
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: to go about it than sometimes happens?
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I think you have to love the original, but at
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the same time, not love it too much. I think
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: sometimes in a remake, you see.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't necessarily like shot-for-shot remakes. I
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: like when people can go in and mess things up
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: and make it different. I don't think you always necessarily
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: have to update it so that it fits current ideas.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: And in fact, I think a movie should always... I
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: think a director... I'm going to put it on the director,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: not a writer. But should always shoot for a film
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: to be timeless.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Not something that sticks out in my mind is making
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: the cell phone or Facebook or something. along those lines
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: drive a major part of the movie. It's kind of
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: like the... What was the Colin Farrell movie? Since we're...
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: The phone booth.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: That he's stuck in the phone... That wouldn't... It's only
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: less than 10 years old.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: Even when it came out, people were like, a phone booth?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: So.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: But anyway, yeah, just in general, I guess before we
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: get too deep in it, I think they have to
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: have some love for it, not just in it for, hey,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: we could remake this and make money off of it,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: but also not love it too much and then not
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: be willing to let go of a scene or a
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: segment or, you know.
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: I think that's what I realized looking at them. It's
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: like everyone that I liked a lot of times was
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: not only somebody talented redoing it, But it was somebody
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: that really seemed like they were interested in the project,
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: where then I went to the other list that was like,
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: especially the cheesy horror remakes that they kept doing, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: it's like, when they hand you the Friday the 13th remake,
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: or the Freddy remake, you know, it's just like, those guys,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: you know, it's not like they were they decided they
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: wanted to do that and they worked on it for years.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: It's like the studio just went, Hey, remake this. And
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: they handed it to them and they went, okay. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: it's a paycheck. And, and that's, I think you can tell,
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: like you look at those and those are like at best,
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: you know, I mean, both of those are watchable, but
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: neither are great. You know, it's like, they're okay. I mean,
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: they did a decent job of what they had to do. Again,
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: they were doing a job and they did the job.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: They're watchable movies, but neither really feels like there's anything
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: heart to it, you know, I mean, especially, you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: I mean, even the old Friday 13th weren't that, but
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: I mean, like the, the nightmare on Elm street, there was,
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: you know, when Wes put that together, it felt like
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: there was something that he, I mean, he himself came
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: up with the story, came up with the characters. It
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: did feel like there was something invested. And then you
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: look at the remake and it's just a bunch of
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: random kids, you know, it's again, it's taken the, the
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: hot kids of the moment, which by the way, one
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: of them is the lead in the, Another movie I
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: just watched who is hot. Yeah, I'll get back to
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: that in a minute. But, yeah, you can tell the
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: difference there that it doesn't have, it just doesn't have
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: that much vested in it. And somebody didn't put any
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: heart into it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's just like a marketing ploy because
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you almost just want to go see it because you're
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: invested in a great movie.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: You know the story. And then you see they're remaking
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: it and you feel like, I better check that out.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: What are they doing to my movie? And so you
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: feel like you're being played, but you can't help yourself
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: because you want to see it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: Especially those series.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: And you know they're manipulating you. And so the thing
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you're looking for is like, are they just doing that?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Or is somebody really interested in this?
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: You know, I.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Learned a lot with Transformers. I didn't watch the third one.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: I watched the first two. And because that was such
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: a part of who I was back in the mid
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: 80s or the early 80s, I guess as a kid.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: And I was so insulted by the Transformers movies when
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: they came out. I mean, just truly damaged and insulted.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: And it's not necessarily a remake, but it's. In my mind,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: it is a remake.
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: It's revisiting a property that was already... Again, it's the
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: same thing. It's just taking a brand and slapping something
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: else on it and handing it to someone.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: And the thing I learned was making a remake doesn't change, affect, lessen,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: do anything to the original. It's a different movie. It's
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: a completely separate movie. Even if it's made by the
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: same actors and the same directors, it's a different movie.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Movies can exist. Companies are in business to make business.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: It's my problem for associating the two and not being
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: willing to let it go, I think. And so I'm
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: to the point where I'm not going to get upset
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: by remakes anymore and just hope that, maybe they can
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: open the door to one, ideally make a great movie
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: to at least open the door to someone going back
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: and seeing something that is worthwhile, I suppose. And sometimes
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: they can really update movie. I mean, really well, the
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: one that first came to my mind was, um, Cape fear.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: That was on my list. Yeah. I was looking through,
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: I was like, you know, did a great, and again, Scorsese,
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, That's what it is. It's like you give
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: it to somebody not only who is really talented, but,
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, I know he went into that, like, loving
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: that movie and wanting to do... But, again, you look
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: at what, you know, De Niro's doing in it versus
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: what Mitchum was doing in it. I mean, it's a
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: different movie, and it's a different way of approaching... That
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: same menacing character, but it's a slightly different way of
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: doing it. And I think, again, it's not just updating
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: it for the times, which they did, but it also...
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: puts its own little spin on it and does it
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: in a different enough way that it's definitely worth watching and,
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: and kind of holds its own as its own movie,
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: not just like a copy of the original.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: The original.
• 34:54
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: It's funny after the, watching the, the anarchy, uh, funny games,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: twin movies.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: It sort of got me already. I was looking at, Hey,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: they're remaking straw dogs.
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And it seems sort of funny because it's this home invasive,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: violent thing. Um, And I went and saw that, and
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I just hated it. It was a stupid movie. It
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: was a waste of time. It had none of the
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: oomph of the original. I didn't care what happened to anybody.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: In the original, there's the rat man. And by the
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: time you get to the rat man, I just want
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: to beat that guy to pieces with a tire iron.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: In this one, I didn't care. It's like, oh, whatever.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: All right. It So it was completely disappointing to me.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: But the other one, it seemed like I got into
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: a vein of remakes from that because we were talking
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: about the killers in Funny Games. And I have this
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: thing like sometimes things are so obvious I can't think
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: of them. And I was trying to make this connection.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: It's like there's that pair of killers. And what does
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: that remind me of? What movie am I thinking of
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: as the big antecedent for the killers? And, of course,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: it was the killers. I was trying to think of
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the killers, and I couldn't bring it to mind. It's
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: like when I was in a writing class once, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: there's this James Joyce short story called Clay. And in it,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: they play a guessing game where this girl reaches into
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: a bag with her eyes closed, and she feels something.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to guess what it is. It's this cold, wet,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: squishy stuff. And everybody in the class seemed to get
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the story. And I don't get it. What is that? cold, wet,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: squishy stuff in that story clay.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: You know, eventually it comes to me as I'm about
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: to say it and then I just back, oh, never mind.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I get it now. But I was thinking of the
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: movie The Killers because I had seen the 1940s version
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: and I found that because I knew the short story
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and I knew the short story because I went through
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: this period where I really liked Nabokov and it was
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the only Hemingway story he liked. was he liked this story,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: The Killers, and I saw the movie. And then I
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: saw there's a remake, Don Siegel. He did a remake,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and we watched that, and it had Reagan in it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: And it was Reagan's last movie before his political career,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: and he played the bad guy. And the remake, it
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't even really a remake. It's sort of like a.
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: It's falling to the left, too.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: But I want to plug Wild and Wooly Video because
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I went to find it. I find the 40s version.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I can't find the newer version. And the guy says, oh,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: it's in the same box the disc comes with, the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: 1964 version. I'm like, oh, okay, good. I ought to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: learn to read. I would have seen that down here.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And then he said, there's also a 15-minute version by Tarkovsky.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And I never would have found it because it's hidden
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: in the special features as a discussion of adaptations. And
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: it was something Tarkovsky, apparently, I don't know much about him,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: but he's a big deal director. it was a 19
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: minute version he and some film students had done in
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: film school in the fifties in Russia. And it's almost
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: just exactly the short story dialogue. It's, it's the truest
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to the story and it's really pretty good. But one
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: odd thing about it is the, the protagonist Nick Adams
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: in the Russian version, um, He wears this kind of
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: silly cap, and he has a big sweater with a
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: big neck thing. And I think the final thing is
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the belted overalls.
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: That's a nice look.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Nick Adams is supposed to be like an
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: everyman kind of guy, sort of a stand-in for him.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Everymen do not wear belted overalls. He was kind of
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: like a skinny Russian... rerun or something or Urkel or something.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this guy was, but all the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: rest of it was pretty good. It's definitely worth, if
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: you rent the twin movies of the killers, it's definitely
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: worth looking for the little 19-minute versions.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: You point something out there, just an aside, the sign
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: of a good movie rental place employee that yeah that
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: my god they've seen something i'm interested in and they
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: know the special features not that that's just that kind
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: of a resource and i it's too far away for
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: me to drive and get there yeah all the time
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: because i'd never return a movie on time but that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: just beautiful that someone knows the special features on a
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: obscure yeah dvd you know yeah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: And then he was telling me about all the other
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: movies the director had done he said well he's kind
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: of a big I know, it's 15 minutes, it sounds silly,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: but no, it's really good. And he did Solaris and
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: a bunch of other movies.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: My God, it took me four years to watch the
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: original Solaris.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: That one's on the list. That one's been made like twice,
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: I think, since then.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: But the thing that reminded me of The Killers was
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: just in that original story, as far as I know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: that was the original of the two guys who have
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: this kind of, funky patter and it's kind of smart-ass gangster.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: They're always saying, like, oh, he's a smart boy. So
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: what do people do in this town? Oh, they all
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: come here and get the big dinner. And it's almost
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: like the guys in Pulp Fiction. It's that pair of killers.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: And I think the reason Nabokov liked the story is
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: is because style is substance in that story in a
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: way that it usually isn't in Hemingway. It's the ending
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: of the story is somebody says something and it sounds
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: vaguely smart ass, like something the killers would have said.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And so it expands from these guys that are killers
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: to just everything in the world that is thoughtless and,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and just makes you want to die.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I've only ever seen the remake. I, a guy I
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: worked with, um, who loves movies, but he doesn't see
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: many newer movies, but he claims that that's his favorite
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: movie of all time, the remake. And so I saw
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: it because of the remake.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: See?
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: You never know.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: And I think it's one of those things where you,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know, people, you tap into something at some
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: time when they saw it, you know.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I found the remake really frustrating.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: There's times when I start to like remakes more than
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: the original. There are times when it, you know, sometimes
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: I like them both on the same level and I
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: just keep them separate. But there's other ones that sort
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: of move up. The more I watch, you know, one
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: over the other, I'm going to be like, this actually
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: kind of did a good job on this one.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I went back and tried to watch the original Ocean's Eleven. Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: That's a piece of cake.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's one, I mean... For as silly and
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: funny as that movie is, it's an improvement over the
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: other one. Oh, yeah. And that's kind of, again, it's Soderbergh.
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: So once again, you give it to somebody who's talented
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: and who obviously liked the old one enough that he
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: liked the idea of it, but went, well, we can
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: do something better than that, and look who I can
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: get to be in this movie.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: No, it's purely almost formulaic, the way he puts Ocean
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: of Eleven together. But it's still fun, and it's pretty.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: And it's slick, and it's, you know.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: It's almost like a go-to for that kind of movie.
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, if somebody's looking for something like that, like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: that's the top of the heap, you know? It's just like,
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: not only is it fun, you know, and kind of
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: a fun movie to watch, but it's also well done,
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: you know? It's got good actors in it, it's, you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: a good director, and it's, I mean, it's kind of
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: the best you can go with for that type of thing,
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: you know? If you just want a fun movie, that
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: one's a well-put-together fun movie.
• 43:32
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: Now this, I wanted to get into another sort of
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: sub category in this one and it leads to one
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: of the other ones i saw this past week and
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: the tie-in i had earlier i did see the new
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: version of the girl with the dragon tattoo oh okay
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: which the tie-in was and because i sat there the
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: whole time trying to figure out who this lisbeth girl
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: like i remember it was a big deal when this
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: girl got cast and but i'm sitting there going do
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: i know her for a minute because she's she's really
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: good at it and i'm just sitting there It's Rooney Mara,
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: who was the lead girl in the Nightmare on Elm
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: Street remake, who I remember not being... I mean, she
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: wasn't bad at that, but again, nobody in that movie
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: had anything to do, so they were all kind of boring.
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: So seeing her just totally own up, just step up
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: and take this movie, and yeah, she's amazing in it.
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: She's the.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: A girl from the Facebook social network.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: She's the girlfriend. Again, not a huge role there, but
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: obviously he saw what potential she had because, yeah, he
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: just kind of gave her this movie.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: She's also the heiress, not heiress, but granddaughter of both
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: the Rooney family, who owns the Steelers, and the Mara family,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: who owns the New York Giants. So that's football greatness
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: right there. And she's named Rooney Mara.
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: Anyway. So she really didn't need to get the most
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: coveted job in Hollywood.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's got some money. She's got some money.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: It sucks to be the rest of you actresses out
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: there that were, like, clawing to get your way to
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: that role. Right. And she stole it up. But she
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: does an amazing job in it. She really.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: That only makes it worse for everyone.
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess so. It would have been... They could
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: be like, well, she sucks anyway. No, she does a
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: great job.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: But.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: And that's my thing. Have you seen the other, the
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: Swedish version?
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I've seen the Swedish version.
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: Okay, that's going to be my thing. Because, as I
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: said last time, I waited because I wanted to see
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: what Fincher was going to do with this one before
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: watching the Swedish.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: It is very much that you're trapped in the environment
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: of Swedish geography film to begin with. You can feel
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: the climate. Just in the film itself, which I appreciate.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a lot of it that's lost in
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: translation because, you know, that you miss from the having
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: to read. Yeah. But you get a lot out of...
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Let's see, what's the gentleman's name? I forget his name,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: but the.
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: The writer?
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the guy, not... He... Seems to be... Mikel.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: He kind of carries it for me. She does a
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: good job of being that character.
• 46:22
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: But she's just that character. She's not much more than,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: I'm going to play this shocking role. Now, I guess
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: I don't want to handle too much, but there is
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: one scene that is, you know.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: These scenes that everybody kind of... Again, I went in
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: knowing that scene was there.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: It's handled... Pretty well, but it's also pretty hard to watch.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: But I'd expect that out of a Swedish film, too. So,
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: it's good. After seeing it, I thought, I'll never have
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: to see it again.
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: That's what you thought. Right.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay. And I'll never have to watch the remake.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: See, that was what I was thinking. That's what made
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: me originally want to pose this question, is... when they
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: do this, turn around and make one again a year
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: or two later, is it necessary? And I found that
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: when I was going through, you know, listing different ones,
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: good or bad, there are ones that I was like,
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: even if they did it good, sometimes I'm like, but
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: was it really necessary to make this? So that's almost
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: because now having seen this one, I'm like, I don't
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: know that I'm going to get anything out of the original.
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: that I didn't, I still want to watch it, but
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: I feel like, again, because you gave it to somebody
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: who's an amazing director, and that's what I was thrilled, like, even,
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: you know, of the good stuff I've seen lately, I
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: went in, I guess I felt like I'd heard so
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: much about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo that I
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: just kind of went in, I wanted to see it
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: because it was Fincher, and because, you know, what I'd
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: heard about it was good, but I guess I didn't
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: go in with huge expectations because I felt like I
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: already knew so much about it. It was, I was
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: really thrilled with it actually like by the end i
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: was just i really like.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: That movie and it sounds like it's better.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: That's and that's what i was thinking i was like
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: so now it's like what we you know across the
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: board you would normally say well what's the point why
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: bother making a remake when they already made this one
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: just like two years ago but again i feel like
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: i'm going to be backtracking here and be like almost
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: let down because what fincher does in this is so
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: good and and Again, I feel like this one is
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: going to be more or less the same story with
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: a lesser budget.
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: Because there's no way in hell they gave him Fincher money.
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: And the Fincher one looks so good. And that's what I,
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: you were saying the environment. Like I think just the,
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: what Fincher does in this, I felt was just like
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: that world. Like that little world that Mikel gets thrown
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: in the middle of. He captures so well, and I
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: don't think it's a really long movie, and it didn't
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: feel like it. It didn't feel overly long. What I
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: felt like was really invested in that little world. Like,
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: I really, like, by the end of it, you knew
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: all these characters, and you were, like, the whole little
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: area where they lived, and all this stuff going on
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: in this world really, I don't know. He just did
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: such a good job capturing all of that that I
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: don't know that, you know, going back that... it's going
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: to be in there again I'm going to watch it
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: and see but I feel like now it's working the
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: other way now it's like the original has next act
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: against it there the remake did such a good job
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: that I don't know that yeah which I don't know
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: I didn't want to say as much as Rooney did
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: a great job in this one daniel craig's great in
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: this and i really do want to see him you
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: know break out of i think he's signed to do
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: several more bond but i mean he's just now getting
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: to that point that he can do other movies and
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: be you know a regular actor and he does a
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: good job in this i would really like to see
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: him you know i know he's been in a lot
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: of other stuff but he's still that's sort of the
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: go-to whatever you say oh the new bond guy so
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: it's good to see he really can kind of deliver
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: something outside of that because he's not at all bond
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: in these movies.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: When you bring that, as far as those recent remakes
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: and also the same thing, the Let the Right One In.
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: That was like the next one I was going, when
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: I said, is it necessary?
• 50:19
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: That's what I was thinking of.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: You know, I thought, because it was right after I
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: saw the original that I heard, oh, you know, they're
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: remaking that. Yep, I did too.
• 50:28
  Speaker 16: And.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I immediately thought, there's no need to remake this movie.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: There's nothing that they can add. There's nothing they can
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: do other than get a bigger audience. There's nothing they
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: can do. They're different. Pretty good job.
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: It's a good job. And that was my thing.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Really good job.
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: I think had I seen the remake first, I would
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: have loved it just as much because I love Let
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: the Right One In. Again, when somebody's like, you know,
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: do you like horror movies? And it's usually really hard
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: for me to name a current. Like everything I like
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: is Halloween. You know, everything I like is 20 years
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: or 30 years. You know, it's like I like old,
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: what normal people would call old movies now. So it's
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: like when I try to reach for something recent that
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: I think is good, that is that level of amazing,
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: it's let.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: The right one in.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I feel the same way.
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: But, I mean, again, I was kind of expecting them
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: to do a half-assed version, and then I watched Let
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: Me In, and I'm just like, damn, it's really good, too.
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: And it's like the story really doesn't stray at all,
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: but visually it's it's kind of got its own feel
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: to it and he does some amazing stuff with it
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: that it's kind of a shame for this director that
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: i mean it's almost like nobody's going to give him
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: a fair shake you know at being a good director
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: because he does a great job on that one and
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: he's always going to be like compared to the original
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: because the original was so big and sort of broke
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: through into america even without being remade so it is
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: weird that i mean it's one of the few movies
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: i can think of that a lot of people like
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: When it first hit video over here, they were carrying
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: that at Walmart.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: Which I was shocked by.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, what?
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: Walmart carries foreign films, especially like a new, you know,
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: random horror movie that nobody outside of like the movie
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: geek circles has ever heard of before. But it had
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: crossed over enough that it had already kind of hit
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: the mainstream in its own little way. So I don't know.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: Those are the ones that I don't know what to
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: think of. Is it necessary?
• 52:31
  Speaker 12: It was crazy.
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: That same thing with the funny games. It's equally as good.
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: I like it kind of equally, you know, as much.
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: I had the same problem. I mean, again, it's damn
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: near the exact same script. It's almost shot for shot. So,
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's like, pick one, I guess, because they're
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: the same movie.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: You know, after watching the first funny games, I had
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: no need to watch the remake. To me, it wasn't
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: going to help or hurt. So I was, I was like, okay, good.
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: It's out there.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I see what this is. I see what it is
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: trying to be. And I'm, I'm fine with it. I'm,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: or I'm, I'm done with it, I guess. Um, but
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: the only thing that I think I can throw in
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: there is, especially from foreign to English is nuance.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Nuance in language that you miss from having to read.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: You don't know when someone's being sarcastic. You don't know.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, you just don't know. And, um, You can
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: miss a lot. And you can miss a lot visually, for.
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: Me, that you have to read. Again, being movie geek
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: that I am, I want to be watching everything. Again,
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: I like the visuals.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: I want to be able to watch.
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: But if you're watching too much of it, you're missing
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: what they just said. So, yeah, it is frustrating in
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: a way.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: So, you know, it's better than, especially if you take
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: a really good movie, like Let the Right One In,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: and you're intending to make a really good movie, not
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: just capitalize. then it's fine, especially if somebody's going to
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: put up the money, and you're a competent director, go ahead.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: You know, you translate books all the time. Why not
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: translate a movie?
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: In a way, that's, I guess, what it is, is
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: just if they're going to do... I don't know, there's
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: different ways to go about it. I mean, if you're
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: just doing that exact same movie again, it's weird, you know,
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: I mean, it is weird... looking at it from that perspective, especially,
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: you know, something weird like, I think I did to
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: remake his own movie the same way. But I mean,
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: even with the other ones, it is, it is strange
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: to look at something as, as close as let the
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: right one in and let me in. And, and I
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: don't know, it's different than when they try to do
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: something totally, totally their own. Like, uh, the other one
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: I was thinking of that's been well received lately was
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: true grit. It's a different version. It's, it's got a
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: different feel to it. Definitely.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Those are remakes that are different cases, I think, from
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: stories that are just classic, timeless stories, and people do
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: them all the time because that's what you do.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Like Hamlet.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Like Hamlet, or, you know, nobody was going to redo
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Henry V until Branagh decided he had the nerve to
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: do it because there was.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Such a shadow cast from it.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: But he definitely did his own thing with it. But yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's new original movies that are getting remade.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: And some of them are just for the American audience
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: because we're a huge audience.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: Like The Ring.
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: That's what I was thinking. We had that huge run
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: of Asian horror that The Ring kicked off, which, again,
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: I saw the original Ring and was amazed by it
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: at the time. that's another, yeah, I would, well, I mean,
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: that's the thing that you hit the end of that movie.
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: I was like, Holy shit. Like I was not prepared
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: for that, that first. And again, that was a bad
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: VHS version that I think Misty bought at a convention.
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: You know, this was like 12 years or, you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: it's been a good 10 years or more since that happened.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: So it's like that found its way to the underground
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: in America. And it already sort of picked up a
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: little bit, but, The thing is, they made that remake.
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: It's a good movie, too. I was surprised. Again, went
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: in expecting it to be a bad, hacky remake, and
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: they did a good job on that. So you look at,
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: they started off doing it pretty well. I think it's
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: the next wave that kept, you know, the grudge is okay.
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: They did a decent job. They did the sequel, which
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: I don't know if everybody needed, but then you start
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: looking at, like, the eye, or shutter, or mirrors, or pulse,
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: or All these other Asian movies that they kind of
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: sort of.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: When you start talking about that, there's been a lot.
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: Which I, like, pulse a little more than most people. That's, like,
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: the low end of the list.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: Everybody hated that one.
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: But, yeah, nobody... I mean, the more it went on,
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: it's like nobody really wanted those. So it's like, I
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: don't know who was okaying that, because I guess the
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: ring made so much money, they were just like, oh,
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: any Asian horror movie will do. So, you know, they
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: were giving it, again, to anybody.
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: Just here, go make this movie.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trend spotters, they go, this is hot now, this
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: is what we're going to do.
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: Jump on that bandwagon.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: They're waiting for the next Japanese movie to come out
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: so they can.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Make another one.
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: No.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: What about, okay, let's say then, you know, that's not needed.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: What if somebody like Fincher was handed.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Battle Royale?
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: That's rough.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, would that be.
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: Again, if anybody could do it, you'd get a good
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: shot there. Yeah.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: But.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: That one's such a weird one, though, because I don't
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: know that you could do it in America. Like, I
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: don't know that our audiences would put up with what's
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: going to go on on screen. I don't know that
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: any studio would get behind the original way that that
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: story works.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know that our kids look enough alike. Well,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's part of the thing of the movie. Right.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: It's these, you know, these Asian kids, and they all
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: kind of look alike, and there's... And you go through
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: a bunch of them really fast.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: Part of the charm of the movie is it almost
• 58:18
  Speaker 8: has like a folk art weirdness that like in a
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: way it would seem like such exploitation violence, but it
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: doesn't because it's like weird in a way that's convincing.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Like an untrained painter can be really convincing.
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: And it has those odd epilogues at the end.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Who does two or three random weird epilogues at the
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: end of a movie?
• 58:46
  Speaker 8: And also, the translation of the subtitle seems to go
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: awry suddenly at the very end.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, nothing makes any sense. People are
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: saying stuff and you're going, what are they trying to say?
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: I attributed that to me watching it online. You know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: I was like, OK, this because I had to stop
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: and restart it a couple of times. And, you know,
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: I think because I was thinking about this when you
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: brought up the remakes. I think once the Hunger Games
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: comes out now, because that's accepted and that's a nasty idea.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: The whole thing. That it's this popular, that something like
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: this is out there, and it's almost, what a heartwarming movie.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? No, this is horrible! So,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: then why couldn't you then sneak in?
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: I think, again, I think there's... And sometimes you can,
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: because I thought that with, again, going back to Funny Games...
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: Like when I watched the original one, as soon as
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: it was over, I was like, okay, I need to
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: go get the American one because I couldn't imagine them
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: doing that movie again exactly like it was and having
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: it play for American audiences because our movies don't do that.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: We don't set them up like that. We don't have
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: the weird things going on like that, and we definitely
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: don't end them like that. So I expected it to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: be a cheesy Hollywood version, and they would have changed something.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: Which it wasn't, but at the same time, maybe that's
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: why it didn't go over. Like I said last time,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: nobody paid any attention when that came out. And maybe
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: that's why. Maybe the few people saw it and went,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: the hell was that? And like, word got out and
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: nobody else touched it after that. So it's kind of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: that same thing. I don't know. I mean, you could almost,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: if they got that one in, I mean, it's not
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: quite as... violent as Battle Royale is and would be
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: if we tried to remake it, but.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: You know what? You could.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's some tone things that slip through sometimes.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: But Battle Royale doesn't feel as terribly violent.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: No, it's cartoonish.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Because you don't really have a lot of time to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: get to know.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: I don't... See, I had the exact opposite thing. Like,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: to me, you were talking about the people all kind
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: of being... Like, I was surprised how much with that
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: huge cast, how many of them I... got attached to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: very quickly and how much you identified with them and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: you really were kind of saddened when you may have
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: only had a couple scenes with them, but I can't
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: believe they killed her off already. I was surprised.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: They killed off all of the Transformers in the original Transformers,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: except for fucking Bumblebee.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: You're obsessed with the Transformers.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 14: But that was 1986, and you saw them getting their
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 14: robot hearts ripped out.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: Of them in the first scene, all of them, and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: you saw a theater full of 10-year-olds just almost weeping themselves,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: but then they went and saw it again.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: Was that made for American audiences? Oh, yeah. I thought
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: it was.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: I couldn't remember where it came from. And it was all,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: they did it all so they could release the next
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: wave of figures that you'd have to go out and buy.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: Of course. That's understandable.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: But, you know, that was 30 years ago, and it played,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: and it can still, I don't know. I think, I mean,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: you see in Harry Potter movie, characters that you love,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: even kids, die.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: And we'll allow it.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: I just think we're wearing the edges off of that.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: It's like we're kind of wearing down the American audience
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: that has been very set in what they wanted from
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: a movie. And you couldn't go too far one way
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: or the other. It had to be pretty run-of-the-mill and safe.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: And we're getting to the point we can get away
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: with a little more. But still, it's not quite what
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: some of the stuff they throw out there across the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: sea is.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: I guess we're kind of away from the remakes thing
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's kind of all remake-y in a way.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: When you start thinking about remakes, I mean, it's kind
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: of similar to... I mean, you have to draw a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: line between the experience of watching a remade movie of
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: a story that you know from another movie, or you
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: may have read the book and then you see the movie.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Or you may see the exact same movie 20 years
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: later that you saw before, and it's like a remake
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: because you react differently.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: I've had that late at night.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: I was like, hey, I'm... No.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: Hey, I.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Or sometimes you're scared to watch a movie that you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: really love because.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: When I was going to watch, and this was Don
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Siegel again... I loved the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: and I didn't want to see the remakes.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: But I wanted to watch it with my wife. She'd
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: never seen it, and I'm like, you've never seen it?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Were you raised by wolves? What happened? But I made
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: her watch it, and I was a little nervous about it,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: but it's like, no, it held up.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: That was on my list. It held up. That's one
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: that I think almost... Well, I don't know that it
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: does it better. It does something different with it.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Like, it takes.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: what was going on in the time period of the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: first one, and lets that sort of exist in the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: first one. And then that one has its own 70s
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: feel to it, and it feels like what was going
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: on in the world there. So it comes up with
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: an entirely different way to look at the whole thing
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: that's going on.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: In that movie. Yeah, I was just talking about just
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: watching the original again.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: And it holds up in its own way, but it's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: got a very different feel to it. But the 78
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: version is great, and I was surprised how much I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: liked that one.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: See, I love the original in a way that I
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: can't accept the 70s one. To me, it's like a
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: pod replicant of the first one. It doesn't have whatever
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: that spark in the eye or that, you know, it's
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: like he looks the same, and there's just something different.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: That's a lot of these remakes, actually.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well, it depends what you're looking for in it,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I guess. I mean, it can be a good movie,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: but if it's not what you want it to be,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: you're not going to be.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 15: I guess.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe it depends on how attached you are to whatever
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: it was in the movie and when you saw it,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: what stage of development you're in. Like, you guys know
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: all this 80s stuff that I didn't watch anything during
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: those years. I don't know what I was doing in
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: those years.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: I didn't see any of that stuff.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: I don't want to imagine.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: I think I started seeing TV again, like sort of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: midway into NYPD Blue was when I got interested in
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: TV again.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: I didn't watch that kind of stuff when.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I was that age.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: What do you all feel about remaking the thing?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: See, that was what I was going... I thought that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: was actually a good lead-in, was the Invasion of the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: Body Snatchers, because it's kind of that same... It's a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: little older. The original thing is a little older than
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 7: Invasion of the Body Snatchers. But to me, I think
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: that's almost my go-to. Anytime anybody's totally condemning the whole
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: idea of remakes, I'm like, thing's a remake. And the thing,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: to me, is one of the best movies ever made.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: It's the top of my list anyway. It's right up there.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: You know what the common thread here of all the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: remakes that were like, but that works, but that works.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: Every single one is a competent, good actor or director.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: Excuse me. Every single one of them is a damn
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: fine director has remade a movie. And that might just
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: be the common one. Because the new thing, I'm not
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: so sure about.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: I haven't seen it yet. Again, I heard it.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: I haven't either. I've just seen trailers of it, and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: I'm afraid.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: But I heard kind of the same thing. It's like, well,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: it was kind of my thing with the one earlier.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: It was like, well, it's fine. It's okay. You can
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: watch it. But, I mean, it's not going to be
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: what the Carpenter version is. The other one, they kind
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: of had that.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: It was like my feeling about the Lolita version. There
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: were a lot of things that were good in it.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: The girl was a great, she did a great performance. And,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I didn't like just the idea of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Irons. I agreed with him. He's sort of done
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: the European weirdo already. It was too right for the part.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: But the thing that got me was just in the narration,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: early on he said when he was a kid, he
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: wanted to be a spy. I read the book. He
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: wanted to be a famous spy. If you can't, why
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: even do it?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I was done with it then. I could never get
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: past that point of why wouldn't you do the line right?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: That's one of the ones I was referencing earlier that
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: I love the original, the Kubrick one, when I first
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: saw it. I've seen it at least once since then,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: but I've come to like the remake almost more I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 7: just like the relationship. It feels like there's some stakes there.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 7: It feels real. It feels like there's something going on
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: between the two of them where the first one, and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: maybe it was just society at the time. Maybe you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: couldn't have them relating in a realistic way.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: Almost.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 7: Maybe it was just something with that time period that
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: kind of stopped them, or maybe it was a specific
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: choice by Kubrick. I don't know, but. As good as
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: a lot of the stuff is in that one, I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: think I became a little more attached to the storyline
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: in the remake, and that's what kind of put it
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: over the top for me. I think I like that
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: relationship more in the remake, and it kind of makes
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: me like the remake more, which is sacrilege, I guess,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: to like a remake more and to like it more
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: than a Kubrick film.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Were a few things I liked about the musical.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: Again, thanks to you, I now have a version of
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: the musical, and it's pretty damn catchy, let me say.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: And yet, almost more mean-spirited, definitely more mean-spirited than the Kubrick.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: It's harsh. It's harsh. And the mom in it, oh,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: it just kills you. I mean, she's so real. I
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: didn't even feel it that much in the book. It's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: like she's there, but oh, God, what an awful author.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: Speaking of musicals and remakes, Little Shop of Horrors.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: That's true.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: There's a remake that.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 7: And there's one going in an entirely different direction.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 17: Well, and speaking of remaking... I had to remake a
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 17: short film that I saw on YouTube. And it's just
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 17: that thing of, like, you see something and there is
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 17: something definitely wrong with it.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: And you just want to fix it.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of that on the Internet.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: There's a guy on YouTube named Ukulele Mike. All right.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: And he's kind of like Wilfred Brimley, only more so. Wow.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: And he has this video where he's teaching people how
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: to play in this remake, too. somewhere over the rainbow,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: the way the Polynesian guy does the ukulele version. And,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: you know, ukulele's an easy instrument. It's something a lot
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: of beginners are going to want to do. And he
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: charts the chords, and it's super easy, except he draws
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: out this impossible E minor chord. There's no way anybody's
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: going to be able to do it.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 15: And he doesn't do it. He does it the same
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 15: easy way. But he's teaching people. He's like, here, I'll
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 15: show you how to do this song. Here's the C chord.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: It's real easy. Now you do this, and you've got
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: to put your pinky up here and cram this in.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: And it just angered me so much. Why would you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: go out of your way to make an instructional video
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: that's just going to frustrate people? And if I could
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: find him. If I see this guy on the street,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: there's going to be trouble. So I had to make
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: a little video and show how you do that. It's
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: really not that hard. And I had to post it online.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to look up Fred Miller's.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Over the Rainbow.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're going to have to find those now.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: I don't do the whole thing. I just do, okay,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: he gives you the C. Then he tells you to
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: do these four fingers. It's the only chord in the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: whole song where you have to use all four fingers.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: You have to cram your pinky up there. Why? When
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: the chord is just like this.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 7: Are you specifically calling him out by name within the video?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: I'm calling him out by name, yeah.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: That's awesome.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: It's ukulele mic.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: This is bullshit, man.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: That's awesome. Nice.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: But that's the inspiration.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: That's one kind of inspiration to do a remake, is
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: there's just something wrong.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you're just pissed off at the director, and
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: you're like, why did you do this when you could
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: have done it?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 12: Well, there are, I mean, there are, again, getting into
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 12: ones that improve upon or do something above and beyond
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 12: what the other one did, kind of like The Thing did,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 12: another one from kind of that same.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: Era, The Fly. Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 7: That's a very different movie. But, I mean, even horror fans,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: old school horror fans will be like, The Fly is
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: not an amazing movie. You're kind of attached to it
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: because it's Vincent Price. And everybody loves Vincent Price. I mean,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: you kind of have to like it on that level.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: But it's sort of a cheesy horror movie. Whereas you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: get Cronenberg come along. That's a different movie that he
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: puts together. Yeah.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if The Fly was really sort of
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: the beginning of camp. Like, at that ending, it's like,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: were they really, were they trying to be funny? Were they,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: No, no. It's really sad.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: I can't stomach Goldblum.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: That's his most useful, really.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: And that's the sad part is that's his best. The
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: rest of his career is just a train wreck.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: He's just Goldblum in everything. He just doesn't do anything.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: Especially once you hit the 90s. He's just playing that guy.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: He just shows up with his Goldblum car and he's like, alright,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: insert this in wherever you need it in the movie.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: Is he clueless?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Is he genius?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Or is he just an ass?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: At some point, I need to say he must go faster.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: That's all I'm going to say.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: It just and so I don't know I can't um
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: he just annoys the crap out of me I really.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Loved him as the big bad wolf in the three
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: little pigs fairy tale theater that's my favorite thing he
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: ever did he said something like no I'm just saying
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: nature finds no that was Jurassic Park he said uh
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Billy Crystal was one of the three little pigs and
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: uh And he said, not by the hair of my chinny-chin-chin.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: And Jeff Goldblum said, chinny-chin-chin, you keep saying that. What
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: is that? What does that mean?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: That's very Jeff Goldblum-y, I suppose.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Like I said, genius, idiot, or ass. I don't know
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: what it is, but it might be all three.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't know. We had that kind of
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: run there in the 80s where I was trying to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: think of The Blob, which I just finally re-watched it.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: And again, that's on the list. We're going to do
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: a whole episode on that one. But did something different.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: And I love the original Blob, but they found a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: different way to do it in the remake.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, and then going back to the funny games thing,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: King Kong. I remember Tarantino saying... Did it have the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: racial subtext to a friend of his? And he said, no. Well,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: then what is it? Then it's just a big monkey.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: Which is what we want.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: And you know what?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: That's what that movie is.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: It's big.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: But the thing that I got from it, like very
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: early on, she's a dancer. She's an entertainer. And there's
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: some guy in the audience, a shot of this big
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: ape-like guy just sitting out there laughing at the cabaret stuff.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: And he reminds me of King Kong. And so later
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: when the ape comes along and she performs for him,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: she sort of charms him, there's something going on with
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: her that I think is what made her want to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: do the Funny Games movie.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: There's just something.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: About the relationship to the idea of a monstrous audience.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Because in the end, and I was trying to work
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: out what I thought of that movie and I couldn't
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: quite get it together, but I think I can understand
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: it as a commentary, and it's very masterfully done. But
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: for me, it doesn't really work as a movie.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: See, I was making the list, and I was like,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: I got the King Kong, and I went, it kind
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: of falls on both lists. On the one hand, it's what,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, again, visually, it's amazing. It's a competent director.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 7: He does some great stuff. This was also the point
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 7: in his career where he forgot how to edit. It
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: came from those Lord of the Rings movies and they're
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: three hours long or six hours on the DVD.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: I want a 12 hour cut of the two towers.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: So by the time he got to King Kong, I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: guess everybody had already said, yeah, give us more. So
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: he's like, okay, we can have a four hour dinosaur
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: running portion and they can like spend 20 minutes on
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 7: the boat going through icebergs or whatever the hell they
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: were doing. I was just like, there's that. It's like
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: an hour and a half before they get to the island.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: I'm like, what is going on? So, yeah, there's so
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: much of that.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe they could have got out and walked for a while.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Then the trees could have walked.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: I don't know. See, I'm probably one of the few
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: people in the world, and I've already gone on a
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: weird list with my... my remake of Lolita Comet, but
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: now I'm also one of the few people that really
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: likes the 70s version of King Kong. Ah. The Dino
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 7: De Laurentiis version.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 12: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: The big, hemmy Jeff Bridges.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: It's, I mean, it is cheesy, but again, it's one
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: of those that, like you said earlier, maybe it's how
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: you were attached to it the first time you saw it. Again,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: that was just me as a kid thinking King Kong
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: was awesome and watching a monkey climb up the side
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: of the World Trade Center.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: Like that again at the time.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 18: Was awesome what's her name um that's galang yeah yeah
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 18: yeah again i it has its issues i know a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 18: lot of people like to hate.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: That one but yeah when you have a newly built
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: world trade center you kind of got to put.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: A monkey on it well you can say that exactly
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 7: with the new mission impossible you've got a new tallest
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 7: building in the world you got to put a monkey
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: or tom cruise one.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: Or the other or both Oh, but the best 70s
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: movie featuring a large primate.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Is Thing with Two Heads.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: Your favorite. Right. Yeah. The two-headed gorilla. No, there's a
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: movie that just came to my mind, a remake, that
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know why I'm not, I just lost it.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: It's The Killers.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: I can do the other one of mine. The other
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 7: one that sort of inspired this, I went back and
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 7: watched the Black Christmas remake after doing the whole episode
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: on the real Black Christmas. In my mind. And yeah,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: it falls into that category. And I think that one
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: suffered a little bit because I'd heard from a lot
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: of people that, oh, the remake's actually pretty good. It's
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: pretty decent. I mean, again, it didn't get the respect
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: that the original one got, but everybody's like, oh, it's
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: pretty good. I was really let down by it.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: Really, and again, that whole episode, Marlena kept talking about
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: some yellow guy in the attic craziness that we were
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: just assuming she was drunk at that point. It's in
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 7: that movie. It is that remake, but I think this
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: is very telling because Marlena had actually seen the remake
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: and didn't remember that's what it was. Misty had the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: DVD because that's whose I watched. I borrowed it from her.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: She obviously had seen it too. Neither of them could
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: remember that that's the movie it was in. That's how
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: forgettable this movie is. By the time I was done,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: I was like, there's nothing really useful in this as
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: far as I'm concerned.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: That's what happened to me with Straw Dogs. A few
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: days later, it's like, Oh, yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Wow,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: where'd that go?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just so forgettable. And they put all this crazy...
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: They almost pull a Halloween, speaking of other bad horror remakes,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: they almost do a ton of backstory on who the
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 7: killer is and what sort... And, like, not just give
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: you backstory, but make up all kinds of other crazy shit.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: Halloween is the... the epitome of what I mentioned earlier
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: of loving it too much.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: He was too invested in Halloween and he wanted to
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: make it perfect.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: I've said before.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: What about that psycho?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: Oh God. See, that's the one I was going to say.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: That almost goes against this rule because there is a
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: talented director and he obviously had at least a little
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: bit of interest in it. I mean, I don't know
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: if it was his idea or they came to him
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: with it, but Either way, I'm just like, first of all,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: you should have said no. But I don't know. There's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: just like, that is such a useless movie.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's all these other ones I'm saying. It
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: doesn't need to exist.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: It has to come up in this discussion.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: Well, it was, yeah.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Because that was a shocking event.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: And it doesn't, I don't know.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: It's a train wreck.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 7: But it makes no sense, really, because it shouldn't be
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: a train wreck, because it's almost the same thing as
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: Funny Games. It's almost shot for shot. It's almost dialogue exact.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 7: There's one or two changes to the dialogue, which is
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 7: weird for a movie as old as it is, but
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: it's very little done, and how does this one suffer
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: so badly versus the original? I mean, granted, it's Hitchcock.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: You can't mess with Hitchcock, but at the same time,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: It's not like they gave it to a hack. I mean,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: this guy had been doing movies for a good career
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 7: before that and has done decent stuff. Yeah, he's done
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: decent stuff since then. So it's like he's a talented guy.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: How it came to be as bad as it did,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: I still don't even understand. I can't quite put a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: pin in it what is so wrong about that movie.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: But it's wrong.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: It's just something wrong about it. I don't know.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: I was thinking of some movie that I was going
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: to bring up, but I can't.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: There's a bunch of them. Another one that I've gone to.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: Go ahead.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: The one that I had seen, an older movie that
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: I had seen, the original, and specifically saw it as
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: a result of the original, and it blew it away
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned. It's 310 to Yuma. Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: That's a great little movie.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: The remake is such, it really makes you feel like
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: I have to do this for my family. There's no
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: other choice. I've got to be this person for the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: next 24 hours or whatever. And it really makes you
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: feel like you're really there.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: The little villain sidekick guy in that movie is amazing.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: It's one of those guys that you know the actor.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've seen him some other things and thought,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: where do I know that guy from? And why is
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: he so good at that? And I hate that guy.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: You know, you just see him and you're like, yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: And then you look him up and it's like, it's
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: the guy from 310 to Yuma. He's amazing.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: I love to hate that guy.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's really intense.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: I was trying to think the other ones, like recently, again,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: of my go-to, yeah, but you got this, to throw
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: it off, Dawn of the Dead. The remake of Dawn
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: of the Dead is great. And I love the original,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: but it found a way to do something different and
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: it's it's not i'm still a little attached to that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: original one it's got it's got some really cool again
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: it's got cheesy effects and some some cheesy stuff from
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: the 70s but there's some stuff going on with the
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 7: story there that that is different than a lot of
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: horror movies especially at that time and and i think
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: isn't even in the new one but i love the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: new one too i think the new one you know
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: he found a way to do something kind of fun
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: and found a way to update it and make it
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: work for new audiences, but kept, you know, all of
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: the basic elements of what was cool about the original,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: but do it in a different way.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, as much as it's just human nature
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: to resist, you hate to hear somebody's going to mess
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: with something that you love, but you can't predict what
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: somebody might be doing with it you just can't circumscribe
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: people's creativity that way and and so in a way
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: it's kind of great when you see somebody take something
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: that you feel is very very it's almost like those
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: jackie chan movies where he's like an action museum preparations
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: guy he's like trying to have a fight while preserving
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: some ancient antique.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: A Fabergé. Yeah, that's what it's like.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Somebody's taking this thing that you want preserved and not
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: messed with, but they find a way to do something
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: really exciting with it.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: That's always impressive, actually. Well, looking at something, this isn't
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: actually a remake, but it's kind of like the Transformers
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: thing of revisiting a property. the reboot of Star Trek.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: I watched it sitting there in the theater going, oh
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: my god, he found a way. Like I said, there's
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: no way you could touch the old characters and there's
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: no way fans would get on board with you messing
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: with the timeline. He found a way. Like freaking nature,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: he found a way and he reworked it. I'm like, damn,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: that's a good job. It's kind of like that with remakes.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: I've always really disliked Leonard Nimoy. He has an air
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: of superiority.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't mention that to Misty.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Was it that night you were at dinner with him
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: and Jeff Goldblum?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Shatner's got pink flamingos in his yard. Not literally, figuratively.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: He probably literally.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: He knows, okay, I'm playing at something. This is okay.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 9: Um.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: I can take myself seriously, I can get all the girls,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: but I'm also kind of kitschy about it. Whereas Leonard
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: Nimoy just takes himself so well. and seriously.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: In that role, he has to. I know. But again,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: he doesn't do much else.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: In his documentaries and things, he still thinks that he's Spock.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: I think that's the problem. He still wants us to
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: believe that he's smarter than us.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Like the way Ginger thought she was really ginger.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: Exactly. That's exactly what it is. And so, that was
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: the one downfall of the new one. That's not a
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: spoiler at this point.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: I like the Spock in the new one. He was
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: like Ira Glass. on steroids or.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: Something right we went into that i think a lot
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: of people don't i did didn't like fans of star
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: trek didn't.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 18: Like is it quinto yeah didn't like it was perfectly
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 18: fine with me i didn't like him.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: He was perfect but see i don't love star trek
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: yeah and so no they weren't they weren't messing with
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: anything and they actually made it much more enjoyable for me.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I can get on with this.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: I know most of the storylines from Star Trek. I'm
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: a sci-fi geek. I watch it, but I've never been there.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: Next Generation, yeah, I watched the shit out of that.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: You can't get much better for Star Trek as far
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: as I'm concerned. That reboot did a lot for me.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: I quite enjoyed it and kind of wiped the slate
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: clean and let's move on.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: I hope.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: I guess.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that was the one part that bothered me,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: is that we had to have almost, and it's almost like,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: Nimoy said, fine, you can use the property and you
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: can remake this, but I have to be in it
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: almost like I've got to give my acknowledgement that this
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: is okay to do.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 7: Well, they like to do that anyway.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: That's true. Ask Batman. But you know what?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: He's exactly like Shatner. He's got flamingos in his yard, too.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: He does have flamingos in his yard.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: So, that's fine.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: I met him once when I was a kid, and...
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: That would be a photo of me with a celebrity
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: if I can find that.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: See, we just saw him last year. Didn't get a photo, though.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: He had quite a crowd going there. I was impressed
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: to see the Batmobile up close.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: Got a list of stuff. I don't know if we
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: want to just try to knock out the rest of
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: the list, or have we said all we need to say?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's There's a bunch more remakes.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, there's a ton.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: The one that I think should.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Be remade is Godfather 3. Just make another one like
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: that one never happened. Godfather 3.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: In fact, throw it. the cut of the original. Yeah.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Just find a way to actually re-film over that film.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Chemically strip it. That was on the film.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: Even he's kind of said, and I wonder how much
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 7: of that could have been saved. To me, there's even
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: a little bit of good story going on there. I
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: like that version of him trying to be legit and
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 7: trying to go into business. You know, it's the 90s
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 7: by then, so there's a way to be a businessman
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: and still pull that off. I like that story of
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: Corleone having to do that. But I don't know. I mean, again,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: even like Coppola's come out now and talked about how
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: much there were, I mean, the studio was rushing him
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: to get it out for like a Christmas release and
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: how much, you know. Obviously, there were casting problems. There's
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 7: all this other stuff. So I don't know how much
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: there was a good movie there to begin with. There
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: might have been. I don't know.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: What you should just do instead of asking for a
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: remake or even acknowledging the third, watch Godfather 1 and
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: 2 and then watch Goodfellas and call it a trilogy.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: The cheesy remake thing reminds me of when they're trying
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: to do that Saw-like movie on The Sopranos. And so
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: the gangsters come in, and they think they know movies,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: and they're trying to make this cheesy movie. And Chris Moltisano,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: they're investing in this, and they're making some horrible... They're
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: not sure whether it's science fiction, or they never figure
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: out whether this guy is... Is it supernatural? Is he
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: back from the dead? It's one of those supernatural or
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: a science thing. Whatever.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: That's a great sequence.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean, there's so many other ones
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 7: we could throw out there. We didn't even get to
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: the Don't Let Tim Burton.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 12: Remake a Movie.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 7: That's its own category, really.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Len's about to watch one of those right now.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: Oh, I feel sorry for him.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the Willy Wonka.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 12: I hate that.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: I just hate that one so much.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there was the lovely and talented Planet
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: of the Apes.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: Which we've discussed.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: With the new one.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 7: But again, it's sort of revisiting a property. It's not
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: a sequel really. It's its own weird prequel kind of
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 7: sort of But it's also maybe a reboot because we're
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 7: doing things a little different, so we could continue on.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 13: It helps remove the marketing.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 7: But it's sort of, yeah, it kind of makes you
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: forget about that.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: When you see a bad sequel, you feel like Charlton
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Heston when he sees the Statue of Liberty there. Damn
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: you all to hell!
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's your reaction to a bad sequel.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: And instead of Lady Liberty, it's Tim Burton.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Damn you!
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: You're in the studios all the time.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: So, again, we've decided it's talented people. That's kind of
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 7: a main. Again, if they just hand you, and then
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: you can look through a list of all these other people, and,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: you know, the guy who did Clash of the Titans,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 7: I'm guessing they handed that to him, you know? It's
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: like nobody cared about it. It didn't have anything invested
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: in it. Yeah, and we want to cram 3D into it.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 7: We don't even want you to shoot 3D. We'll decide
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 7: after the fact we want it to be 3D, so
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 7: we can charge three bucks more each time.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: But the only real example of the one where somebody
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: remade a bad movie and made it into a much
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: better movie we've had on was like Ocean's Eleven, wasn't it?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: There's other... Again, you were saying Little Shop of Horrors,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: which a lot of people would say is a pretty...
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: schlocky Corman movie. Again, I don't like a lot of musicals.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: I really love Little Shop of Horrors. Maybe it's because
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: people are getting.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: Eaten by a plant.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: He did a good version of that here in town.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: I've seen several of them that were pretty good.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: But it's good Steve Martin. It's cast well.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 7: The cast is perfect, actually.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: Rick Moranis, you couldn't get any better than Rick Moranis.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 7: He is Seymour. In his real life, he's Seymour. So
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 7: I was trying to think something that was almost along
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 7: those exact same lines. Did you see the reefer madness remake?
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: No, it's a.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: Lot of fun and taking a, what was a bad movie.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's no, I mean, it was nothing but
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 7: propaganda basically. And they made it, they realized that the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 7: dorkiness of it and they totally play it up and
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: they turn it into a musical and like they really
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 7: found a way to kind of make it fun.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm trying to think of some other that
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: they sort of improved upon. We've hit a few of them, but.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: It's funny how many of them we've already talked about
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: on other occasions.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: And that's kind of why I wanted to go ahead
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 7: and throw it out as an official... Because, you know, we,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 7: for a while there, were notorious for, every time we
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: did the news, bitching about the new remake. I mean,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: we had a whole category set up for.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: It, so.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 7: Which, again, as time's going on, I've tried to be
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: a little more open-minded about it and be like, and
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 7: for these very reasons, for some of these examples we've
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 7: come up with, that it's not necessarily across the board
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: it's going to suck if it's a remake, but it
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 7: depends on what you're doing and who you give it to.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: I would like to name the thing that's wrong in
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: the remake after Morticia in the Addams Family. Because I've
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: just always felt that, you know, taking that property and
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: not coming up with a satisfying Morticia is just, that's
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: the example of it's just wrong. You've got to have
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: a Morticia. And Angelica Houston, she's a fine actress. She's
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: no Morticia.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: At the time, I didn't.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Daryl Hannah.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 7: Daryl Hannah's terrible casting. It's a joke. At the time,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: I didn't think Angelica Houston was bad just because she
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 7: seems really creepy to me, like in the real world.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: She doesn't have the sex appeal from the TV show,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 7: but she did strike me as, oh, yeah, that's as
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: creepy as you can get right there. Good going.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: All of that is offset by Christina Ricci and Raul Julio.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: Christina Ricci, it's maybe my favorite thing she's ever done.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 7: She's awesome.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: Red Riding Hood might be my favorite thing she's ever done.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: I didn't love that. I love... You just love that
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: it happened? I want so many people to watch it.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: Wait, was she in that movie Pumpkin?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: She was in that movie Pecker.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: She was in that one.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: John Waters.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: Black Snake Mom.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: Pumpkin was a movie that was almost like just a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: sustained straight-faced joke until the end where I think she actually,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: not just figuratively, but actually winks at the camera. Nice.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: If you're going to wink at the camera, you may
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: as well literally wink at the camera.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: It's funny game style again.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: I was reading it.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was her. Yes, Christina Ricci. And it's about
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: high school girl dating a retarded guy. It's just so wrong.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: And they just, they play it as straight as they
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: can until they can't anymore.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: They beat the dead horse and then they wink at you.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: And then they wink at God.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: That's a weird experience to have watched that.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: Might have to watch it.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, Lord.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: All right. Well, we've said you need talented people. They
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 7: have to have something invested in it. They have to
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: actually care about it or it's going to suck. I
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: was trying to think of other stuff. I mean, to me,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: I almost have to have something to say with it.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, instead of just, you have to almost have
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: your own spin or update it to the point. I mean,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 7: some stuff really is just old and like the circumstances
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 7: that come into play in that movie just don't work now.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: And there is a way to do it now and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: do something different with it. So with that, I mean,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 7: there is a way to update it. And not just
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 7: be a modern setting. Oh, we've got to make it
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 7: look nice for the kids. To me, when they do those,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 7: that's the one I haven't seen this yet, but I
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 7: don't understand the Footloose remake. What are you going to
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 7: do that's not in that other one? What are you
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: updating that's going to revolutionize that plot?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: You don't have Kevin Bacon.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 7: And the thing is, I talked to somebody who had
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 7: actually gone their entire life without seeing the first Footloose.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 7: had went to the theater and seen the other one
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 7: and turned around and watched the other one and still
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 7: likes the new one better. So I don't know if
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: it's just not having it grown up, watching it, having
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 7: it just be part of Americana at this point. That's
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: just any stupid.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: It'll at least add some new twists to playing Six
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: Degrees of Kevin Bacon.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 7: Can you use the new Riz McCormick? Yeah. We can
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: just switch it off to this new guy.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: The first one was more of a music video.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 7: Oh, it was. I mean, it came at the time
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 7: when half the movies out there became music videos.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: Right, right. There might be six or seven montages.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: Full song montages in it.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: And so, plus dance sequences. So, I think even the
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: videos on MTV were just cuts of the movie.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: Were just straight up out of the movie.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: It pretty much was.
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  Speaker 5: And so.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, it was just geared towards
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: what people were watching at the time.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: But the kids now, are they gearing it towards something different?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: Are they going more.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: Again, I haven't.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 7: Seen it, but I'm just like, how could you do
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: how could you do it otherwise i mean i guess
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: make it more glee like i mean that's that's now
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: is you know or american idol knockoffs and glee it's
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: like that's.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: All actual substance to it that's the.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 7: Hell you say The first one wasn't completely devoid of that.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 7: There were some decent scenes with John Lithgow and the
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 7: scenes with him and his daughter. There's a little bit there.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 7: As much as you can cram into that ridiculous plot.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 7: It's not a bad movie. It's just cheesy. I don't know.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 7: It's not bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's just drawn that way.
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  Speaker 7: Thankfully they haven't remade that yet. I don't know. I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 7: think that I have more of a problem with when
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 7: they just try to make it modern setting like what
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 7: they were doing with most of those horror remakes i
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 7: mean it's the the black christmas one you know let's
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 7: show well that one was worse because they updated other
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 7: stuff but when they were doing like the sorority row
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: and the the last house on the left which i
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 7: haven't decided on those i mean they kept trying to
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 7: do those which were already shocking movies that i don't
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 7: know if they lived up to that same impact with
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 7: that kind of stuff but oh.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: I went I'm sorry, it just occurred to me a
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: movie that they ought to just update was Peeping Tom.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: That's true. Because they should make that now that he
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to carry an eight-pound camera under his coat.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: It's like that needed to be, well, now you could
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: make that almost kind of make sense because you could have, like.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: On his lapel.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or a pin in his pocket.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Instead of carrying that thing.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: That's true. That is so funny. And for something that, again,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 7: normal people don't really know that one, but in the
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 7: film world is so well regarded, you'd think somebody would
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 7: want to cash in on that and make their own
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 7: version of it, which would probably be terrible, but... At
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: least that is something that, you know, again, like I said,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 7: the world is different enough from one aspect that you
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: could update the whole thing and make it something different.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: You know who you could cast as the Peeping Tom,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: who would be a perfect throwback? Crispin Glover.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: Could be a good Peeping Tom. Creepy, and he's already
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: been a Peeping Tom.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: He's got that going for him.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: He's got that going for him.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: So he's got that going for him.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: Although, is he even acting anymore?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 16: No.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 7: Every once in a while, I still see him turn
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 7: up and stuff.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: You know who else could do that? Hayden Christensen.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: Because everyone hates him already.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: There's something about him. And I remember, I think I
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: heard Misty talking about him or something.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 7: She hates him.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: But the thing I loved him in was Shattered Glass,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: where he played that fraudulent reporter. And he just seemed
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: so right for that.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah. because he seems like a fraud he was.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: So nice to everybody he was so nice but there's
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: just something about him that doesn't like once everything comes
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: out it seemed like yeah that fits that makes sense
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: that he's he's too nice he's up to something there's
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: something wrong with him.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: The the only thing i ever get out of hayden
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: christensen is when i look at him is I picture
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: him in his mind replaying over and over going, I'm
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: acting now. I'm acting now. How do I act? I'm acting.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: You know, just over and over. He's consciously thinking about
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: acting while he's acting.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It sort of endeared me. He told
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: this story when he was in Star Wars. Like when
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: he was first doing the sword fights, he was making
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: the noise. Because he'd done it growing up as a kid.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it would be hard for me not to.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: You don't have to make... We'll put the noise in later.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: But he was out there going.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was doing that over Christmas, by the way.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 7: My son is.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: So wrapped up in Star Wars right now. We've got
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: Star Wars Legos. We've got the Lego Star Wars DS
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: game that he plays non-stop. We're watching the movies now.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: You know, five-year-old watching the movies. And he... out of
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: time for him. He's trying to, hey, wait, is this
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: the one? Or wait, what happened? Wait, did the Death
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: Star already get blown up? You know, because they.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: Messed it up. See, I never did that as a kid.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: And, well, he's fine.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 7: Well, no, even, you know, still though, it's like, I
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 7: think they make it more confusing now because there's all
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 7: these other movies and they don't go in order. Or
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 7: if they do go in order, they don't make any
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: sense anyway. So, yeah.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: And then Chewbacca shows up in the third one.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 7: And Yoda's here, but then later he acts like he
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: doesn't know what the hell's going on. And 3PO never
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: knows what the hell's going on, even though he's been
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: in all these damn... I don't know. It's so funny.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: You know, he's got to forget something. Somebody wipes the memory.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: Somebody wipes the memory. Yeah, there's so many plot holes
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 7: in that crazy. No matter how many times he keeps
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: readjusting shit on the new box set, it's still like, oh, yeah, well,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 7: how come this doesn't make any damn sense?
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: And the thing that confuses the shit out of him
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: is he'll see Jedi, and Luke's talking to Leia about
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: knowing your mother, and he's just like, what are you
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: talking about? She never knew her.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 7: Fix that, Luke.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: You can't go back and have her know her mother.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: So, yeah. But he loves it. He thinks, and he's
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: not even seen the cartoon one that's got Count Dooku
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: a lot in it, but because Dooku is, it takes
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: at least two Jedi to take him down, plus the
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: Emperor's giving him up, but he's got lightning, and he
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: can disband Yoda and Anakin and Obi-Wan all at the
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: same time. He's like, He's the best one. You're supposed
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: to think that Darth Vader or the Emperor or even
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: Darth Maul are the badasses. It's due to him. He's
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: the real scary one.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 7: In episode two, he is a badass. Now tune into
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 7: that first few minutes of three and he's a chump.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: He's just a sacrificial lamb in that one. He's giving
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: up in that one. He's having a lot of fun
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: with it. I got hit in the place where men
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: shouldn't get hit by a lightsaber.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: That's the price you pay, having lightsabers laying around the house.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: But he always wants to have a red one.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 7: Your child's evil. That's all there is to it.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: Anyway. All right.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: Remakes.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: I think we should do this episode over again.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: We should do it better.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 7: We're never going to get finished.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: If we've got somebody talented.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I think we've covered all
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 7: the basics. We could rattle on with more titles all
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 7: night long. But yeah, to me, that's all you can do, really,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 7: is take the basic idea and either go with it
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: in a different direction or just give us something new, really.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 7: Anybody who just kind of half-assed does it. Those are
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 7: the ones that you cringe at when you see them
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 7: come out. But all the ones that we've talked about
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: that are good are always talented people, and they usually
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: find Some way to make it their own and do
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 7: something different with it. And that's, I think, the only
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 7: thing that sort of takes it down the right road.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 7: But I feel like we've come up with a lot
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: of good options for usually condemning all of the remakes.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: We've come up with a lot of good ones.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: I'm done condemning. Like I said at the beginning, I'm
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: done condemning them.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: Make your movie.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: If somebody's going to buy it, they're going to buy it.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: And it's up to me to let it go if
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: it's ruining something that I hold dear. It doesn't ruin it.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: It's me letting it ruin it. You're just out there
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: being an artist and making a movie, as far as
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: I'm concerned.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 7: You just have to continually point out which thing you're
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 7: talking about. No, no, the original. No, no, this year's
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: version of it. Because whatever you're talking about, I hate
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 7: that one. All right. Does that wrap it up for
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 7: you guys?
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: Before we totally round it out, we've got feedback.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: People listen.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 7: What was it?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: Did Randy say about me that I was like.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 7: I was going to ask if you ever heard that one.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite feedback I've got is I'm like a
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: protocol droid with a virus. I can see that.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 7: I also like that he's not sure you really exist.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: I can see that too.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: I know you and I can see that.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: The one I didn't get was that guy who said
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: I was the smart one. That's like I'm Kate Jackson
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: on Charlie's Angels. It's just because I show less cleavage
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: than you guys do.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 7: Oh, you're wearing the turtleneck.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm known to keep my zipper down in pictures.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: I'm obviously the Chrissy of the protocol. Oh, wait, wait.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Chrissy, that reminds me. In The Killers... It's Reagan next
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: to Norman Fell.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 7: Norman Fell.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: Norman Fell. They're sitting there next.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: To each other.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, it's beautiful. Anyway, we've got feedback.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: All right. And I thought it was fitting for this
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: one because we hear from James, and it's on Black
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 7: Christmas and the remake.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: So here we go.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 6: I just want to.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 16: Time in on Black Christmas. I agree completely with the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 16: fact that the best.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 14: Part about that movie is the lack of backstory and
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 14: explanation on all the weird messages Billy's saying. One of
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 14: my biggest problems with the remake is that they basically
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 14: explain all that crap.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, their version, they kind of make
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: a big feedback story up about why Billy is how
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 6: he is and there's incest and then he births, he
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: like gives.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 16: Not gives birth, but he fathers his own sister or some,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 16: I don't know, it's fucking retarded. The remake is a
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 16: decent slasher by modern standards. I mean, some gore, some good,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 16: you know, some cool.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: Kills, hot chicks.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 14: It's all right. It's not, you know, like the worst
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 14: shit ever. It's not like Rob Zombie's Halloween or anything.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 14: But it's pretty bad. Of course, the original, as y'all
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 14: said quite clearly, the original Black Christmas is awesome.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: Absolutely awesome.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 14: That was all I was going to say.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: If you want a backstory, you want to know.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 14: Why Billy is the way he is, because I don't
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 14: know why anyone would want that, watch the remake and
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 14: then realize that's not actually what you wanted, because it
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 14: makes the movie a hundred times worse.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: Thank you, James.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: And I agree with pretty much all of that.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't need to know.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 7: I think it is very much like Rob Zombie's Halloween
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: because for that very reason. It's like they take stuff
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 7: you don't care about, you really don't want to know.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 7: In my opinion, same goes with both of them. What
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 7: you don't know about the killer makes that original movie
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: so much better. And them telling backstory in both of
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: these instances just made the movie lame as far as
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 7: I'm concerned. So, yeah. I really like the original. Don't
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 7: like the remake.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: When you're making something scary, think You know, especially with movies,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: think about what Hitchcock would do. He's not going to
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: tell you why this person is insane. He's not going
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: to show you the bad guy. We don't see the
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: bad guy in Black Christmas.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 7: Or even, I'm thinking of our example earlier, Psycho.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 7: You don't know why norman bates is like that hitchcock
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 7: never did that there's just crazy mother and he's like
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: that and he's messed up and he does what he
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 7: does now three movies three movies later when they make
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: psycho four for cable they give you the backstory where
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 7: he too is screwing around with mom and that's why
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: he's so messed up and mom is super overbearing and
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 7: mom makes him crazy and that's again, that's not a
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 7: terrible movie. I remember it. Okay.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 19: Again, I haven't watched it since it was on cable
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 19: years ago, but it's a little better made than even
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 19: like the third and maybe the second one where as,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 19: as you know, knockoff horror sequels go again, you kind of,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 19: that's another one you don't do.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 7: It's as bad as remaking almost as trying to do
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: a sequel to psycho. But again, that's what you see.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: You see some other director come along and want to
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 7: do a backstory on even Norman Bates where, you know,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: Hitchcock doesn't bother with that. He's just like, that's the
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 7: fear is she gets in the shower. You don't see
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 7: it coming. You don't know why he does what he does.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 7: It just happens. And that's the movie.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 7: Backstory. There's some movies that you need that in, but
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 7: not these, not the ones we've been referencing.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 16: Right.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: So anyway, thank you to James once again.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: And I agree with us. Anytime you call and agree.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: With us, that's awesome. And, yeah, I just thought it
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 7: was very fitting for the remake episode anyway. Otherwise, that
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: about does it. We will return next week. Same geek time,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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