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Fictitious Bands: Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (2007) · Fumbling Through Film

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  Gathered together from the cosmic reaches of the universe, here in this great screening room with comfortable recliners, are the most powerful forces of good ever assembled. Keith!
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  You— okay, you fucks. You know what? You know what? Okay. Yeah. Uh, let me do this here.
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  Terry!
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  Oh my God. Now that's a tour. I would go see that just for Smash Mouth.
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  Derek!
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  I apologize, Eddie Vedder.
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  And the power twins, Zap and Jordan, with their magical lemur snort dedicated to fumbling their way through movies one forgotten gem at a time.
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  This week we watch the 2007 satirical biopic Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story.
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  This is Fumbling Through Film. Mr.
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  Cox? Mr. Cox? Guys, I need Cox. He goes on in 2 minutes and I can't find him. Mr. Cox? Mr. Cox?
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  You're gonna have to give him a moment, son. Dewey Cox needs to think about his entire life before he plays.
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  Hello and welcome to another one-of-a-kind, genre-defining, brand new episode of Fumbling Through Film, the only show guaranteed, guaranteed to bring together 3 dudes to talk about movies. But these aren't just any other movies, any movies. Guaranteed they are. No, these are the ones we missed, overlooked, or feel are simply worth revisiting. Hence, any movie, but they're not any movie, but they are any movie. Anyway, my name is Derek and I'm a fumbler. Joining me here in the Fumbledome— and the reason I call it the Fumbledome is because of planetarium and they're dome-shaped. We got it from police auction after it was It was confiscated as evidence from us. I had to buy it back.
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  Yeah, we had to buy it. They took it and then they kept it till we bought it back.
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  And the
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  thing is, we got a better deal on it the first time than the first time we bought it. That's the crazy part.
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  Yeah, but the thing is, at first it was a planetarium. We ran it as a planetarium.
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  Yes. Yeah, of course.
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  When we bought it back, we're like, this planetarium business sucks.
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  Well, nobody would— nobody's gonna come back after the whole ordeal that happened. Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's got the stink on it now. So we gutted it out, turned it into a viewing room. Uh, we watched movies on the ceiling, I guess. I guess that's what we're getting at.
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  It's kind of like a sphere. Yeah,
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  yeah, it's like the Sphere but not. I think Keith called it an inverted sphere one time.
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  Yeah, somehow, some— I don't even envision what that means.
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  I don't remember. Those were the early days. I don't remember that.
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  Anyway, the one joining us, me joining me here in the Bubble Dome, the that likes inverted spheres is the one and only Prime Minister of Fumbling and Film, Keith.
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  Hey, hey, what's up, KG? Inverted sphere extraordinaire.
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  Enthusiast.
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  Enthusiast and, uh, fumbler extraordinaire. Hey, hey, hi-ho, how's it go?
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  It even rhymes. And that other rhyming son of a gun that's over there, he's not into inverted spheres, he's just into straight up spheres. It's the Dr. Dave Kansas, Terry.
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  That's right. I like things round. Uh, movies are abound today.
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  Hmm, you rhyme too.
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  That's right, that's right, I do.
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  Oh God, the
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  only one who doesn't rhyme here is you. It's me.
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  Oh yeah, we'll see if I can get a rhyme out of me later on.
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  Okay, okay, we'll let you work. We'll think about it for a while.
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  Do the whole, whole episode in, in rhyming.
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  Yeah,
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  I— do you know how hard that would be? Unless I was just— I could do like, like a '90s— who was that '90s rap group that had, uh, they liked sex and Rolex and they drove a Lex? And it was, it was, it was one of the worst songs ever.
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  Sounds like a good song to me.
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  I don't know. Oh
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  God,
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  one of the worst, one of the worst ever, in my opinion. Ah, don't matter. You know what does matter though? What we do here.
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  And what, and what, and what is that?
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  We watch movies. And it is any movie, but it's not any movie because every month—
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  Yes, thank you.
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  One of us—
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  Still confusing.
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  One of us has— comes up with a theme, a genre, our guiding light, our principle, uh, like just our path.
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  Lighthouse in a storm.
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  Our lighthouse in the storm.
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  Yeah,
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  I like that. Every month one of us chooses that, then each of us chooses a movie that adheres to this lighthouse in the storm. I guess it would follow it in like our ships in the stormy night, right?
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  Yes, yes.
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  And then the 4th week we do a— we do the ultimate stormy night, which is spin the wheel of doom.
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  Like the eye of the tornado.
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  Yeah.
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  Yes. But this month is a Keith month. And he chose the genre, the topic, The Lighthouse in the Storm, of
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  movies involving fictitious bands or musicians as the focus.
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  Not just a movie with a fictitious band in it, because I tell this to my daughter and she goes, oh, you could say Star Wars because they got that band.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh,
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  it's like, well, can't do Star Wars because they're not— now, if Luke Skywalker was in the band, That would be a different movie. It would be pretty awesome, actually.
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  Yeah, when they do like the Star Wars what-ifs, they'll do like, what if Star Wars— what if Luke joined the cantina band?
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  Yeah, Luke's in the cantina band and then they like tour the galaxy and he still blows up the Death Star somehow. That'd be awesome.
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  By doing like the, the best show ever, it just blows up
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  the Death
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  Star. He brings down the house, literally.
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  Oh, that would be awesome. But so not a movie like Star Wars that has a fictitious band in it, but a movie about a fictitious musical act, or it has to be
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  the focus.
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  Like Eddie and the Cruisers.
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  Like Eddie and the Cruisers, which was Keith's first pick.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  And this week is Terry, and he chose for us
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  Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story.
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  Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story. Now, before we do a deep dive into Walking Hard with the Dewey Cox Story, before we talk about our viewing of Walking— Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story, Did any of us have any previous experience, history, or anything with Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story?
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  I did. I had seen it before.
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  Oh,
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  um, I think when it originally came out, uh, I, I probably went to theater to see it.
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  Wow.
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  However, like, in watching it, the only thing that I fully remember is the Tim Meadows, like, bathroom stuff. And that's what— that's kind of what really stuck to me. And I, I also knew, you know, uh, it's like, but, uh, a spoof or a parody of, uh, Walk the Line, the Johnny Cash one. So I, I knew that for the most part, but like, I, I did not remember much of how the story develops throughout the thing.
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  Yeah, I, uh, I'd— I think I'd heard of it, but that's about it. Um, when I was looking up— yeah. Movies involving fictitious music, musical bands, musical acts. This popped up. I was like, oh, interesting. And so just decided to pick it.
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  Fair. I knew of the movie, had never seen the movie, and that's about it. I I just knew it existed. Never seen it.
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  Yep.
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  Well, now something we are going to see is Terry. taking us closer to Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story than we could have ever imagined we could get. Right. In another pending Fumblers deep dive.
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  Well, this movie was, uh, directed by Jake Kasdan. Um, he's got 23 directing credits on IMDb. Probably the most notable ones are the 2 newest Jumanji movies, Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle and Jumanji: The Next Level. Those are probably the most popular, maybe. I don't know. Um, he's also directed Bad Teacher, another one I'd heard of. I've never seen that. It's got Cameron Diaz in it. She's a teacher who hates her job, but she does it so she can get a breast implant surgery.
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  Yeah, I think I've seen parts of that movie.
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  Then she like— she's gonna do that so she can seduce her coworker.
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  Hmm.
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  So that he can just— which is Justin Timberlake.
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  Yes, yes, he's in it as well. Yeah, so I have heard of that. I have not watched it. Apparently there's a sequel coming because in his upcoming director credits, Bad Teacher 2.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  Look forward to that.
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  Can't wait.
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  All the nostalgia from Bad Teacher.
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  Can't wait to see where this teacher's been for however long.
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  I hope it's a wholly, totally new bad teacher because, I mean, it's just something like the first Bad Teacher just is iconic within itself. So it can just exist on its own. Let's not sully the name.
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  And we got to get Cameron Diaz to come pass the torch to the new bad teacher.
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  Oh, yeah. She has to be the principal.
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  Yeah, yeah. She's the bad principal. And then there's the bad teacher. She's like, I know what you're doing. I've been in the same boat. And then she's like, I'm going to turn a blind eye because, you know, whatever. Anyways, I'm sure they've already got it all figured out. There's no need for me to speculate. He also directed his most recent directing credit. might recognize. It's Red One.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  Chris Evans, Dwayne Johnson movie. Christmas time.
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  Santa.
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  Buff Santa gets kidnapped. He's played by J.K. Simmons.
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  Yep.
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  How do you even kidnap Buff Santa? He is buff. He's gonna—
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  it's a magical being and he's buff. How do you capture—
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  how do you kidnap Santa? Yeah, I feel like—
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  I think use the spell to make him fall asleep.
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  Is that what they did for real?
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  I think so. Yeah.
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  That's lame.
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  No, it was magic too.
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  Why didn't he use like an anti-magic spell or something?
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  Yeah.
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  There's some fun stuff in that movie. They just— it's poorly presented, but they have a couple cool concepts.
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  Okay,
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  cool, cool Santa, uh, logistical concepts in the thing. It's pretty cool.
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  Okay, like they try to explain how Santa can do what he does.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Did they explain why he knows if you're good or bad?
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  It's, it's wormholes.
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  Oh, so he doesn't actually go house to house, he just opens a wormhole in your living room and drops it off?
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  No, he, uh, he still goes house to house, but like the wormholes help him get from place to place quicker than if he actually had traveled around the whole thing.
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  Oh, and it's, you know what, if it's probably like Interstellar where time like starts to like shift as—
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  Yeah, the closer you get to a black hole. Yeah.
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  And there's— I forget, there's something with how he goes about getting into the houses as well that— but I don't remember.
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  Lockpick, probably.
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  Because, man, lockpicking is a big thing. It wasn't a good enough movie for me to remember all the details.
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  There's a talking polar bear in it. I remember that from the trailer.
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  Yep.
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  And like a big snowman thing.
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  Yeah, they fight a snowman. The Krampus is in it. I'm assuming Krampus didn't kidnap Santa. That's too easy.
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  That is too easy.
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  Who knows? It's probably— who else would do it? Who has the motive? Like Satan?
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  It's somebody that hates Christmas.
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  Yeah, I don't know, the Grinch? I hope the Grinch—
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  Oh, it probably is the Grinch.
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  Or, um, the old guy, Scrooge.
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  Scrooge and the Grinch get together. It's like Legion of Doom but of Christmas haters.
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  I would watch that. Buff Grinch.
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  Buff Grinch and Buff Scrooge. Yeah, Scrooge is bald, but he's got a 6-pack on his bald head.
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  Oh, that's pretty cool. He's been working on his head muscles.
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  That's how buff he is. His bald head has a 6-pack.
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  Yes. You do not want to get headbutted, headbutted by bald Scrooge. No, buff Scrooge. I should say either one. I would love like a training montage where like the Grinch and Scrooge are like training together, like lifting weights.
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  They're holding each other's feet while they do, uh, sit-ups.
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  Yeah. Yeah. That'd be awesome. They're spotting each other on the like bench press.
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  Oh yeah.
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  It's playing like the Gonna Fly Now in the background. Oh, that's a good idea. And they need to make a Legion of Doom Christmas movie where they—
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  all these Christmas movie.
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  Yeah, where all these evil Christmas villains— you can get the guy from that Arnold Schwarzenegger movie, the evil businessman.
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  Oh, Jingle All the Way.
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  Yeah, get that guy in there. Uh, there's a lot of characters we could get pulled into this, but—
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  oh, like Krampus is trying to get the Infinity Stone. Uh, Infinity Stones of Christmas or something like that. He's—
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  yes, he's got to get like collect the 3 Holy Spirits or something. Trinity. He's gonna collect— yeah, Scrooge can summon ghosts. He's like a necromancer.
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  I like that.
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  This is a lot of good ideas. We need to bookmark this, uh, Legion of Doom Christmas.
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  Yeah,
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  we'll start working on that by next, next, uh, next year Christmas. Look forward, listeners, to our trailer for—
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  I wonder if we can find somebody to make an original soundtrack for it.
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  Oh, we, we, we—
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  Oh,
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  full of original new Christmas songs.
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  There's only someone I knew who was making a Christmas album.
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  You— okay, you fucks. You know what? You know what? You know what? Okay. Um, yeah. Uh, do this here. Um,
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  Keith just got really angry.
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  Mm-hmm. Yeah,
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  no pressure. You have at least a few more months to get this album out.
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  Yeah, I'm not— no, we're not— don't need any more months. I don't need any more months to do this.
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  Are you working on it right now?
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  He's gonna drop the first single.
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  Oh my God, he's been waiting for this.
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  He's gonna wait till we got closer to December, but here we are.
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  It'd be a surprise, but now you guys—
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  what, what else? What other— who wrote this movie and stuff like that? Uh, so
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  this movie was also written by Jake Kasdan, but
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  Let's not deep dive into the dumb shit I've said on here.
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  Let's
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  deep dive in the movie.
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  Okay, moving along. Yeah, we're here to talk about Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story.
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  So this movie was written by the same guy that directed it?
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  Yes, it was written by Jake Kasdan, but along with Judd Apatow.
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  Okay.
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  Uh, pretty well-known comedy writer, producer, just a well-known guy in those circles, I guess. You know, he's written The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Knocked Up, Pineapple Express, You Don't Mess with the Zohan, which was a trailer that was on my DVD before the movie started. Really? Yeah, I was like, what is this? Oh, I remember this thing. Uh, he also produced a ton of stuff like Anchorman, Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, Superbad, Step Brothers, Bridesmaids— basically all like the big comedies that came out when I was like in high school, middle school, when I was a kid.
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  Not—
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  he, he just produced all those or wrote them. So that's kind of cool, I guess. Uh, so this movie has a bunch of stars. Uh, one of the ones, of course, I will talk about is John C. Reilly, who I do think we've talked about before. He plays Dewey Cox. Mm-hmm. Um, he's been in a ton of stuff— Kong: Skull Island, The Lobster, Boogie Nights, Guardians of the Galaxy— many, many things. But while I was digging around through his stuff, I don't know why I didn't notice this before when we talked about him, but he was in a movie called Terry.
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  Oh, okay. Although
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  it's Terry with an I, not with a Y, so it's not spelled the same as my name.
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  Close though.
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  Close enough. Yeah.
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  Sentiments there.
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  Exactly. That's the thought that counts. Um, I had to take a look, of course. So it's, uh, it's about an overweight kid named Terry. who gets bullied and has a hard time adjusting to school. I was like, oh great, well, okay, that's nice. Uh, but you know, things start to change when the principal, who's played by John C. Reilly, takes notice of him, tries to kind of guide him and mentor him.
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  Okay, so it's like a feel-good story?
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  Yeah, it's like a heartwarming comedy type thing. Uh, one IMDb review I was looking at, it said that they would give it 3 out of 4 Skittles, so I guess pretty good.
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  3 out of 4 Skittles, that must mean something to the movie.
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  Yeah, it must be a reference. I don't know, but I thought it was interesting.
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  That's kind of a weird way to do a review when you're making a reference to something that somebody hasn't seen.
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  Yeah, right, because you assume people reading the reviews are probably reading it before.
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  Yeah,
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  I don't know, I don't know. I'll
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  tell you what, man, he has got a really wild, uh, collection of things he's been in. Like, he doesn't have any set style of movie that he's in.
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  Nope. I think he's just a really good actor. Yeah,
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  yeah. I mean, he's all over the place with stuff.
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  I like John C. Reilly quite a bit.
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  Yeah, he does some good comedy stuff, but then, you know, like, I didn't— I don't remember him being in Gangs of New York, but he's also been like— oh yeah, uh, Chicago. So he's done, you know, actual musicals and stuff. Um, but I just like— and just skimming through here, I was like, man, he is really all over on on the type of things that he— he's the voice of Wreck-It Ralph.
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  Yep. Oh yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. For 116 acting credits, very good amount of stuff he's been in, and very wide variety. There's something for everybody with John C. Reilly.
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  He spent a lot of time on that Tim and Eric show, that Dr. Steve Brule or whatever it was.
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  Yes, yes, I forgot about that too.
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  Oh God.
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  Oh, you know what else he's, he's really good in? Uh, Winning Time, the Rise of the Lakers Dynasty. He plays Jerry Buss, and I actually really liked him in that as well.
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  This movie also stars Jenna Fischer, who plays Darlene in the movie.
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  Yep.
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  She's probably, well, most well known, of course, for playing Pam in The Office.
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  Yes.
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  This is a show that's huge. It's not a show I've ever, like, specifically sought out and watched on my own, but yet, despite, despite all this, I have watched a ton of episodes just because It's one of those shows where people will just throw it on in the background. Like my friends will do this. My parents will do this. Just anywhere I go, the show will be playing. And so I've seen a ton of these episodes and it is a good show. It's just not something that I have gotten around to watching like front to back, I guess.
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  Yep.
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  But, um, she's been in a bunch of other stuff. She was woman number 1 in 40-Year-Old Virgin.
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  Oh, okay.
• 18:47
  She was also, she was in a named role. I don't remember her name, but I didn't write it down. And Slither, um, pretty good movie.
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  Yep,
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  directed by James Gunn. I like that movie quite a bit, actually. It's about these weird worms that come out from outer space and start taking over people's bodies. Pretty good movie.
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  Never seen, but I always wanted to see because I've always heard good things.
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  Yes, it is good. It is good.
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  I think that was like his first major directorial debut was Slither.
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  Yep, I think— yeah, I think you're right,
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  because I think he did a Troma movie before that.
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  Yeah, he either wrote that or directed it, I can't remember.
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  Yeah,
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  and I, I think, um, I think they said like in Guardians when they go to the Collector, uh, you actually see the Slither, uh, thing. There's one in like one of the things. Oh,
• 19:36
  interesting. Maybe it's part of the MCU. Sleeper MCU entry. Slither. Um, recently she was in the 2012 the 2024 Mean Girls remake.
• 19:47
  Oh, really?
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  Yeah, which is a musical as well, I think.
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  And actually very good.
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  Yeah, the stage production or the, the Mean Girls 2?
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  The movie that just came out last year.
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  It's a movie based off the stage production that they did.
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  Oh, it is? Okay.
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  Yeah, so it's— I mean, it's still very close to the original one, but I think it's based more off of the Broadway version of it.
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  So it's not Mean Girls 2?
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  No,
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  no, it's a remake of Mean Girls, but it's based off the Broadway play Mean Girls, which was based off of the original movie Mean Girls.
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  All right, whatever.
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  And actually, uh, it's actually not too bad.
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  I've never seen all of Mean Girls, but I think I have— like, like Terry with The Office, I think I've seen every bit of Mean Girls, just not in Order.
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  Just chunks of it in the background. Someone's watching it. It just shows up on TV. She's also written a movie called Lolly Love. This was, and this was a movie distributed by Troma.
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  No way!
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  Yes. You know, studio best known for things like the Toxic Avenger, Class of Nuke 'Em High, that kind of thing. The trailer starts out with Lloyd Kaufman, president of Troma, introducing the film, talking about it. Very sarcastically. Um, and it's a movie, it's like a mockumentary about this rich couple who decides to help out the homeless. Their idea is to go around giving out lollipops that are wrapped in like original artwork or have like heartfelt messages on them and give them out to homeless people, I guess to help their spirits or something. Okay. What's interesting is that the film was also written by James Gunn.
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  No way!
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  And it stars James Gunn.
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  Weird.
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  Oh, him and Jenna Fischer both star. They're the couple, the rich couple,
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  in 2004, huh?
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  Didn't look very good to me, but I don't know, could be. James Gunn's involved. I like him, but this is before.
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  I like James Gunn. I like Troma. I like Jenna Fischer.
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  Yeah, it's got a lot of, uh, good things in it, so maybe it is good. I don't
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  know.
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  So, uh, the last person that I will talk about, I just kind of picked at random, Tim Meadows.
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  There's some people in this movie.
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  Yes, there's a lot of people.
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  It is insane how many people are in this movie.
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  Yep. Yep. So Tim Meadows is who I chose, played Sam. Dewey Cox's drummer. I recognized him because he's in season 2 of Peacemaker, which I've been watching recently.
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  Yeah, he's got bird blindness.
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  Yes. Yes. I really like his character in that show.
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  All the nicknames. Yes. I haven't watched the newest episode, but he is cracking me up.
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  He gives everybody nicknames. Unwanted nicknames.
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  Unwanted. Nobody wants his nicknames. No. And his justification of What? How else am I gonna remember who you are? Yeah, I don't know, but it's almost like learning your name.
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  Yeah, right. Oh, you have to give us a name to remember it. Yeah. Um, he was in 21 episodes of Bob's Burger. Great show. That is a show that I seek out and watch, although I'm a little behind on it. He voiced a variety of characters in that show. Uh, he was in the original Mean Girls, he was in Mean Girls 2, and he's in the new Mean Girls. That we were just talking about.
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  He plays so many mean girls. I
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  know he plays.
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  Oh, he's also, but also so the big difference between the 2024 one and the original one is the 2024 one is a musical.
• 23:08
  Tim Allen plays one of the mean girls, of course. Of course. I actually don't know who he plays. Probably a teacher or something. He played Sammy Davis Jr. in Wayne's World 2.
• 23:18
  Okay.
• 23:19
  He was in Jack and Jill, which is one of those infamously bad Adam Sandler movies.
• 23:24
  Yes.
• 23:25
  Is that the one with Al Pacino?
• 23:26
  That's one where he plays Jack and his sister Jill,
• 23:30
  I think. Yeah, Al Pacino, the Dunkaccino thing is in that, I believe.
• 23:34
  Is it?
• 23:35
  Yep. That's, uh, that one's supposed to be pretty bad.
• 23:39
  Yeah, it's supposed to be one of the worst movies ever, I think.
• 23:41
  Well, I don't know what Terry's picking for the wheel now.
• 23:44
  Oh, you never know. Um, but the last thing that I'll talk about that he was in was Dream Scenario, which is an A24 Nic Cage movie. Uh, it's about this boring teacher. He's a college professor. He's played by Nic Cage, and he randomly starts appearing in everyone's dreams around the world. Um, and that's the basic premise, and just everybody starts freaking out because sometimes they're good dreams, sometimes they're nightmares, and it's just, you know, pretty decent. I've watched it. I thought it was pretty good.
• 24:14
  I didn't know that that's what that movie was about, but that premise intrigues me.
• 24:18
  Yes, it's a good premise. It's very intriguing. Um, I do not remember Tim Meadows being in it, but maybe I'll rewatch it just to find him. I don't know.
• 24:28
  Tim Meadows is also in the movie called Ladies Man. Oh, uh, which I actually really love. It's very, it's very funny. And, uh, and I really like the movie. And I tried to have my wife watch it once and she's like, no, this is not for me.
• 24:41
  Oh, and so
• 24:42
  it's a live movie though.
• 24:44
  Yeah. And so there are other movies where I'm like, oh man, I really like this one. I'm like, Yeah, no, we're gonna— I'm not gonna let her watch it because she'll just ruin it for me.
• 24:51
  Oh, I thought she won't watch them because you suggested Ladies Man one time.
• 24:55
  No, no, no, no, no. I usually get called out for the movie Drive with, um, what's his name? Ryan Gosling? Yes. Because—
• 25:02
  You get called out for that?
• 25:03
  Well, we went and saw it. I had heard it was good. We went and saw it and we both hated it. What? That movie I get called out on a lot.
• 25:10
  I haven't seen that movie, but I heard it's a great movie. Oh my God.
• 25:14
  I did, I did not dig it. She did not. And that is, if I ever bring up a movie, I'm like, hey, this movie's supposed to be real good. She goes, this was supposed to be real good. I'm like, would you stop? That was on our second anniversary when I saw that movie. That was 14 years ago. And she still— that's the thing she brings up. I have one mistake cinematically.
• 25:34
  There was one fun fact that I thought was interesting about this movie. I'll just say it now. Okay. John C. Reilly actually did sing all the songs.
• 25:45
  Yeah, he did. He's not a bad singer. He's pretty good.
• 25:48
  He's good. Yeah, I was surprised. I thought
• 25:50
  he's, he's in Sing and, uh, you know, the animated movie. He's also in Chicago. So I mean, he's got, he's got the musical number chops to go with it. So
• 25:59
  yeah.
• 25:59
  I liked the movie Sing. So fun fact.
• 26:02
  Yeah.
• 26:02
  I never seen Sing 2, but I did enjoy Sing. Saw it in the theaters on Christmas Day.
• 26:07
  Is that the one with John Cena?
• 26:09
  No,
• 26:10
  that was, uh, Ferdinand. He was the bull.
• 26:13
  No, that's not—
• 26:14
  that's right.
• 26:15
  I like that movie too.
• 26:16
  It's about like animals who talk and stuff.
• 26:18
  Yeah, Sing was the one that Matthew McConaughey owned a— well, he was a— was it koala? Yeah, who owns a theater that's gonna go out of business, and then he has a singing competition.
• 26:31
  Oh,
• 26:31
  it's got the, the ape.
• 26:34
  Yep,
• 26:35
  the dude from, uh, Kingsman and stuff like that.
• 26:37
  Yeah, I can't remember what his name is, but he played—
• 26:39
  he also played Elton John.
• 26:40
  Elton John songs. Yeah,
• 26:41
  yeah.
• 26:42
  Interesting, interesting.
• 26:44
  I think, I think he played Elton John in the biopic also.
• 26:46
  He sure did.
• 26:47
  I think based off of that other movie.
• 26:49
  Yeah, because he's saying I'm still standing and it's an ape.
• 26:55
  Yeah,
• 26:55
  well, he didn't like bring any like ape to the song. He just, he just sang it.
• 27:00
  You didn't grunt and go like, ooh.
• 27:02
  No,
• 27:02
  I
• 27:02
  actually really like that movie.
• 27:05
  Yeah, me too.
• 27:06
  I got to say, there's way too many people to do in a full deep dive, but the amount of actors that are in this movie that people would actually know, whether it's a cameo or repeat appearances and stuff like that, is astounding.
• 27:27
  Yes, I was surprised how many people were even just in it for, yeah, like 10 minutes and then gone.
• 27:34
  Yeah, like Ed Helms is in there for like, you know, a quick brief little bit.
• 27:38
  Yep.
• 27:38
  The, the one that, that threw me off the most is when he's, uh, talking to this one kid, Dewdrop, at the end. And I was like, that, yeah, that kid looks familiar. Uh, it's the guy who played Jimmy Olsen in Superman.
• 27:50
  Oh really?
• 27:52
  Oh yeah.
• 27:53
  I was like, that, that kid looks really familiar to me. So I paused and looked up, uh, who it was. I'm like, oh, look at that.
• 28:01
  Wow.
• 28:02
  Yeah, I had to fight the urge to look up names because I knew there was gonna be a deep dive. I didn't want to spoil it for me. Yeah, I like the deep dive to be mind-blowing every time.
• 28:12
  Yeah, you don't want to learn too much about somebody.
• 28:14
  No, heavens no.
• 28:17
  But there were lots of faces.
• 28:18
  Like, Chris Parnell always cracks me up whenever I see him, and he's pretty good in this movie. Uh, I think what's funny is Matt Besser, if you don't know him, he was one of the members of the band, the guy with curly hair, played the piano and stuff. That is the guy that Dewey Cox stole his wife. Yeah.
• 28:34
  Oh yes, yes.
• 28:35
  He's—
• 28:36
  you want to switch girls tonight?
• 28:37
  But he's not like a huge name, but he's one of the founders of the Upright Citizens Brigade, UCB improv school and whatever. There were lots. I guess we could just name-drop people the entire time because the movie is just filled with people. Sarah Lively, mostly.
• 28:55
  Yeah.
• 28:55
  Jack Black was in it.
• 28:57
  Jack Black. Yeah.
• 28:58
  Jack Black, uh, Paul Rudd, Justin Long, and Jason Schwartzman
• 29:04
  were all the Beatles. Yeah.
• 29:06
  Uh, Kristen Wiig as his 12-year-old girlfriend.
• 29:09
  Yes. And 14-year-old wife with kids and stuff like that. Yeah. So I'm gonna do a confessional right now. I know how Terry felt watching The Naked Gun watching this movie.
• 29:21
  Uh-oh.
• 29:22
  Hmm.
• 29:24
  Uh-oh.
• 29:25
  I watched this movie and I said, I know it's funny here, but I don't know if I laughed more than a couple times this whole movie.
• 29:32
  Wow, really?
• 29:33
  Yes.
• 29:34
  Well,
• 29:35
  and they're all Tim Meadows parts, and then he cracked me up. Tim Meadows was the highlight of this movie.
• 29:40
  He, he steals the scene.
• 29:43
  Constantly. Every time. Every time.
• 29:45
  It's consistent bit of being in the bathroom and offering drugs, but I'm like, you don't want this. You don't want this.
• 29:50
  Yeah.
• 29:51
  Funny every time.
• 29:52
  Yeah. His description of marijuana is amazing.
• 29:54
  And yes, yes. He like is the worst at like describing because he's like, yeah. Oh, it makes you feel great. It gets to make sure all problems go away. But you don't want any of this thing. I think I kind of do.
• 30:04
  He does.
• 30:06
  And I, and I like that they work it all the way up to like at the end with the boner pill and he's like, No, I think I'm good. I'm good.
• 30:11
  Yeah, that's when he draws the line. Yeah, that's— yeah, yeah. I'm surprised. I thought this movie was pretty funny. I was laughing out loud a few times, especially— you know what though, I wonder, because I knew this was based off of Walk the Line, which I'd
• 30:26
  never seen,
• 30:27
  which I watched right before I watched this, like, just like just a few days before, and it was cracking me up. Like, because they do kind of fall— at least for a while, they would do follow it like beat for beat.
• 30:37
  Is there a thing where Johnny Cash rips the sink off of walls?
• 30:40
  Uh,
• 30:42
  oh, that— it's a great recurring bit.
• 30:44
  It was all right. I did like when he threw the fit. I think the time that I laughed the hardest was when he was trying to saw the couch in half. Oh
• 30:56
  yeah,
• 30:57
  when he was throwing his little tantrum, and then he cut back and he's still sawing the couch. They hadn't made any progress. And I know what that's like because I've tried to saw things.
• 31:06
  And then he goes and he's bending the spoons one by one, and, and you can tell he's just like, oh God, I gotta just finish this.
• 31:13
  Yeah, the boredom of bending spoons. But like, the— I don't know, there were things that I like— I knew what the joke was. I'm like, boy, this— I get what's supposed to be funny.
• 31:26
  Yes.
• 31:26
  And maybe I'm just in the wrong mindset going into it, but I just did not laugh like I expected, like I would. Because of so many people. Like, these are all people that I'd like and I find funny.
• 31:36
  Yeah,
• 31:37
  I, I laughed, I laughed a lot in, in watching this this morning. Um, I, you know, and I think like the Tim Meadows things stick out because it's— they're so well done. But the movie does it constantly where they're like, we're actually telling you what's happening right now. Like, uh, the scene when, uh, when he's doing, um, uh, That's Amore.
• 31:58
  And
• 31:59
  then the guy's like, look, there's nothing you could do.
• 32:02
  Yeah, no, yeah, I get the joke.
• 32:04
  Yeah, it, it just, it really, it really made me laugh every time of like how much they were like, we're gonna tell you exactly what, what we're like actually making fun of here.
• 32:15
  I guess that's the end of this chapter in your life, Dewey Cox.
• 32:19
  Yeah, right.
• 32:20
  Like, I get the joke. It's, it's, oh, hit you over the head with what it's doing. I just I didn't laugh like I wanted to. I did find him funny when he's jumping on the trampoline. I don't know why that was funny, but it was. And he climbed the building like King Kong. I thought that was kind of funny.
• 32:36
  Yeah, that was on PCP.
• 32:39
  Yeah, like he lifts the car and throws it. Yeah, yeah. I, I just, I really appreciated, like, because I feel like it was— it did follow Walk the Line a lot, at least at the very beginning, like the beats. But then it kind of starts to just like I think starts to just riff off of other musical biopics and like just music in general and stuff like that, which I thought was funny. But it just is like the whole movie of like Walk the Line is a lot like, it's very serious. I liked the movie. Okay. But then watching this afterwards, it just was like kind of the way they're like, well, surely nothing bad will happen to me as the kids are like going out and like doing stuff. Uh-huh. Like they're building up to it the whole time. And Walk the Line, you're like, yeah, you know, somebody's gonna do something bad. And then the dad is just like pure evil in Walk the Line. And then this movie, it's just like, And they just spoof it over the top where he just keeps repeating basically like his— the whole sentiment from Walk the Line of, you should have— your brother should have lived, you should have died, you know?
• 33:34
  Like, the wrong kid died. He's even singing at one point then, like, almost like the beat of the—
• 33:39
  yeah.
• 33:39
  And like, so that opening scene— not the opening scene that we listened to at the opening clip, but the— when he flashes back to being kids, it's very over the top. It's like, one of the great things about being a kid is you get your whole life in front of you. It's like, okay, well, we know he's gonna die, right? Like, yeah, uh, And, and then they do these various things where they both should have died.
• 33:59
  Insanely dangerous, like welding.
• 34:02
  Yeah, but then he still died from something insanely dangerous, which was machete fighting, instead of dying from something innocuous, like something that was like not deadly at all.
• 34:13
  Mm, you know, you want to subvert the like expectations. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:17
  So like we have like 5 things build up Right? And, and, and then they still machete fight, which, which is funny when it's on paper. To me, that's funny.
• 34:32
  Yeah, right?
• 34:32
  Like, but seeing it, it just didn't make me laugh. I don't know.
• 34:35
  I see.
• 34:37
  Especially because he's like, oh, come on. Like, out of all the things they've been doing that day, like, uh, playing chicken with the tractor and a horse.
• 34:45
  Yeah.
• 34:46
  And the rattlesnake thing. And also, like, Dewey's like, oh, come on, you know how Dad is about us messing with machetes. Yeah. And, uh, his, his brother just like, oh nah, don't worry about it, we'll be fine, etc. I— yeah, maybe that was the part that was supposed to be like, oh, we're gonna lower this down, because it's like Dewey's all of a sudden like, of all the things they've done, he's finally like, oh wait a minute, this— we're gonna get in trouble for this one.
• 35:10
  No, I get the joke, I get it, and I get what it's, it's spoofing. Like, I get that that whole dramatic, you know, foreshadow send-up sort of stuff, and like the whole giving the main character purpose, and now you got to be great for both of us and all that stuff. I get all that. It just, it just wasn't as funny as I wanted it to be.
• 35:31
  I see.
• 35:32
  So my, my youngest son was walking in and out of the room while I was watching this, and sometimes I would pause and be like, you need something? Like but he, he's standing there for like the first part when, uh, after, uh, Dewey learns to play the guitar, and then he's at that talent show and he goes, that kid's not 14.
• 35:54
  I love that. Yeah, that was so funny. They didn't age down at all. Like, they had just John C. Reilly playing 14 years old.
• 36:02
  Yeah, we had 3, uh, was 3 or 4 other 14-year-olds to be in a band with them. Him, he's— this is him.
• 36:09
  It's, it's funny. Like, again,
• 36:12
  it is
• 36:12
  funny. Yeah, I feel like that. I, I feel, I feel like a wet blanket here because it is like that. Oh, that's funny. Like, that, that's what I said during the whole movie, but nothing made me laugh.
• 36:23
  You didn't laugh? Yeah.
• 36:24
  No. I enjoyed the Beatles infighting. I thought that was good because their, their British accents were all over the place and that made me laugh.
• 36:32
  Yeah, they're not great. Yeah.
• 36:33
  They were like Scottish and Irish at some point.
• 36:35
  Yeah, Jack Black jumped into like a Scottish thing for a little bit. I thought that— yeah.
• 36:40
  Like, I, I thought that was funny. Uh,
• 36:43
  and also, in case somebody didn't know that they were the Beatles, they
• 36:46
  were
• 36:47
  very— yeah, yeah.
• 36:50
  I was like, I kind of almost think maybe you're getting in some legal trouble
• 36:54
  for this. I think the, the movie is like, you know, it, it says out loud what the joke is a lot, kind of, you know, like, we're, um, like, where it's like, yeah, Do they keep saying like, well, surely nothing bad will happen to me? And it's like, oh, something bad happened, that kind of thing. Like, I could— I did get a little tired of that sort of kind of towards the end a little bit, where it felt like it was kind of just the same style of joke over and over again. But it didn't bug me a whole lot. I think the first half I liked a lot more than the second half too.
• 37:26
  The midway point where he goes to rehab. When, when Jenna Fischer comes back to him and then they're like, well, now you— now I'm your only wife, I think it's fine. And then they spend like 3 to 5 minutes of like going to kiss and not going to kiss and kicking each other in the nuts and stuff like that.
• 37:48
  Like, that was weird.
• 37:49
  It was like, I, I don't know, to me that's like the movie in a nutshell, that scene. It's like it's a little bit too much Yeah, and it's just not funny.
• 38:02
  It's just like, what's the— I don't even know what the joke is for that part where it's like, what, what is just the ridiculousness of it? I get, you know, like, yeah, I guess weird.
• 38:10
  Yeah,
• 38:10
  that goes a little too long. It's like almost like a full minute of it. Yeah, all right, we get it.
• 38:15
  I think it is kind of, once again, spoofing off of Walk the Line a little because that's like her character who she's based off of and the Johnny Cash character. Like, that's basically the whole movie in a nutshell is them like We will never get married. I can't get married, you know. But they're like, you know, they're gonna get— you know, it's like, just do it, just do it.
• 38:33
  But, um, what's that, Reese Witherspoon?
• 38:34
  Yeah, yeah. I wonder if that's what they were going for. Yeah, Walking Phoenix is Johnny Cash. Um, yeah, I wonder if that's what they were trying to spoof on maybe, but it didn't really work for me in that part. I felt like
• 38:46
  I did like the songs.
• 38:48
  Yeah, songs were funny,
• 38:50
  even though that Walk Hard is only like, like a verse. Like, did they make a whole song out of that?
• 38:55
  I think so. I think they did. They played it over the credits.
• 38:57
  Oh, did they? I didn't— I stopped paying attention to the credits.
• 39:00
  The, the duet song is, is funny.
• 39:03
  I, I enjoyed that. Yeah, I thought that was fine.
• 39:07
  No.
• 39:07
  Yep. Uh, and then the song at the end— there was another song in there. Oh, like that, uh, what was the song about, uh, being a criminal or whatever? I enjoyed that. I thought that was the final song.
• 39:18
  Yes.
• 39:19
  Guilty as Charged. Yeah, I thought those were good. I enjoyed the songs. Like I said, I enjoyed, I enjoyed everybody in this movie. Like, this movie, there's so many people in this movie and I liked them all. Like, even, even I think Kristen Wiig is like a national treasure in my opinion, and she's funny in this movie, but like not funny, like if that makes sense. I don't know.
• 39:42
  Her— but like, because her thing is very much while she's in there, it's just a one-track thing every time, like And you're like, oh, he's having
• 39:52
  more kids and more kids.
• 39:54
  Yes.
• 39:54
  And I did like that at the end where they did like the flashback of his life and there was Tim Meadows there at— while the one child was being born. It was a Black kid.
• 40:04
  Interesting. And
• 40:07
  he's giving it kisses and stuff, and Dewey Cox just doesn't care. It's just another kid. Like, that stuff was funny but not like—
• 40:15
  Yeah, the whole like like thing where she's like, look, you're not gonna make it. It's like, well, okay, he did make it and you're still going with a you're not gonna make it line.
• 40:25
  Yeah, which is from Walk the Line as well.
• 40:27
  Yeah, which I, I kind of assumed when I was watching. I was like, this is, this is making fun of something I don't know.
• 40:33
  Yes, where it's like, why is the wife being so like— they make the wife to be such like a bad guy. And then, I mean, Johnny Cash isn't the greatest character either in that movie, but like, they make the wife so like overly negative. You're like, geez, just Like, he's doing a good job, but
• 40:46
  like, she doesn't like step it up. Like, oh well, okay, you got it, no more songs, you're never gonna be able to go on tour. Like, she doesn't like up like her— you're not gonna—
• 40:54
  yeah, make it like raise the stakes or something.
• 40:57
  Yeah, it's just, it's the same thing over and over. So she— her thing gets a little annoying after a while.
• 41:01
  Yeah, she kind of just disappears too.
• 41:03
  But also like, I think I'm doing pretty good for a, for a 15-year-old with a wife and 2 kids.
• 41:10
  I love when they keep reminding me how old he is because I have legitimately no idea. It's like, I'm a 20-year-old man now. And they're like, wait, what? Okay. Yeah. You look exactly the same. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I like the scenes where he— when like the song ideas, like you can see like when they pop in his head.
• 41:31
  Don't you dare think of a song right now.
• 41:33
  Yeah. She like says something to him and he's like, but it was like, he's like, hmm, like guilty as charged.
• 41:39
  Yeah. I like that stuff. And I like that. And, and without knowing the movie, but knowing a little, you know, the, the, the surface level info about Johnny Cash, it's like, well, I want to get out of this prison and I don't want to be here, but I want to entertain these people sort of thing. Like, like, now that's funny, I guess, right? It's fine.
• 42:02
  I, I like that it didn't just spoof Walk the Line 2, where it started to do stuff with like, um There's like, I feel like a Michael Jackson joke where he like adopts the monkey. There's a, um, like a Beach Boys joke when he's like going, he's on his like drug phase and he's trying to like, he's like a trillion different instrumentalists on this album. It sounds like 5 songs all at once. And then everybody's like, what is he doing?
• 42:27
  I did like that when he said he's in the studio and he's, he's got, uh, he wants 50,000 didgeridoos. Yeah,
• 42:36
  like that's a live goat.
• 42:38
  I really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed his LSD phase. because he was jumping on the trampoline, he wanted to do this, like, this, this magnum opus of a song.
• 42:46
  Yes. And you listen to it, you're like, this is horrible. Yeah,
• 42:49
  it's like 5 songs at once, right?
• 42:52
  It's like that goat has more singing time than I do on the album.
• 42:57
  I, I enjoyed that part. I thought that was funny.
• 43:00
  Yes, I like that they explored more than just, um, they like explored a little bit of music history even, rather than just the one.
• 43:09
  And it really was. It was like Dewey Cox was at the birth of rock and roll all the way up until 2007. And I think my favorite joke of the entire movie, and it's such a throwaway joke, is that was the dude from, uh, presenting Dewey Cox. That was, uh, what's-his-face from Nickelback, right?
• 43:33
  Oh, was it?
• 43:34
  Uh, no, uh, Pearl Jam.
• 43:36
  Oh, it was Eddie Vedder. He's at the bottom of the cast.
• 43:39
  Was he? Is Eddie Vedder— I thought it was the guy from Nickelback. That's fine, it don't matter. He said this joke: if Buddy Holly and Elvis Presley are the Abel and Cain, and they do this like weird biblical reference to everybody, and Iggy Pop is Lazarus, and like,
• 43:54
  I'm
• 43:55
  like, what? None of this makes sense.
• 43:58
  Yes, I like that.
• 43:59
  Then what is Dewey Cox? I love that joke because it is such It's ridiculous. I like that.
• 44:05
  Yeah, yeah, I like that too. I did like that.
• 44:07
  I think, I think Eddie Vedder's like whole speech, he says like several different things that like kind of praise him but never like actually say anything great about Dewey Cox either.
• 44:16
  Like, I feel bad now if Eddie Vedder listens to this.
• 44:20
  Oh
• 44:20
  God, I apologize, Eddie Vedder.
• 44:21
  Oh,
• 44:22
  I just saw a white guy with like some like shoulder-length hair and I assumed it was Nickelback.
• 44:26
  He's not gonna like this. Um,
• 44:29
  yeah, I'm very sorry. I feel bad. Like, I should edit that out, but I won't.
• 44:33
  Well, now the Nickelback guy is going to listen and he's going to be like, well, why are you—
• 44:37
  Like, why wouldn't— why am I the joke?
• 44:39
  Listen, Nickelback guy, if you're listening, we're sorry.
• 44:43
  I think it's Chad Kroeger or something.
• 44:45
  Chad Kroeger, like the grocery store?
• 44:48
  It's— I think so. I'm probably mispronouncing it, but it's something similar to
• 44:54
  that. Which we're fine with, Chad, if you're listening. It's fine.
• 44:57
  It is. Oh, K-R-O-E-G-E-R. Canadian musician.
• 45:01
  Yeah.
• 45:03
  Oh,
• 45:03
  that's that is a really good pull for me.
• 45:06
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:07
  The fact that you did that, and now that I look at his picture, it was Eddie Vedder, but it wasn't Chad Kroeger. You
• 45:12
  know what I mean?
• 45:13
  Yeah.
• 45:14
  Not like this guy.
• 45:15
  You're looking at a photograph.
• 45:17
  Oh yeah. There's no way it was Chad Kroeger. Sorry.
• 45:19
  Nope. Yep. I know that now. Now I look at Eddie Vedder. It's obviously Eddie Vedder.
• 45:25
  But we should get Chad Kroeger in some movies. I think
• 45:27
  we should get Chad Kroeger on the podcast.
• 45:29
  Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They always put him in movies.
• 45:32
  Let's get him on here.
• 45:33
  Oh yeah, he'd rather do this.
• 45:34
  I'm sure we get a bump, we get the Nickelback bump from that because there are people that like Nickelback and that's fine.
• 45:40
  There's a lot of people who like Nickelback.
• 45:41
  Like, if you play a song, I'm not gonna be like, turn the shit off. I'd be like, okay, that's fine, it's Nickelback, whatever, right?
• 45:49
  Yeah, they're fine. Yeah, they're perfectly acceptable music. I know they get a bad rap.
• 45:55
  Rock schlock, right?
• 45:58
  That's what they are. They're just They're, uh, they're fine and we like them and they should come on the podcast and we'll do some movie reviews or talk about music. We can— dang it, we should have had him on this series.
• 46:09
  We should have had him on this. Like, we could have asked him like, what was your favorite part of filming this movie?
• 46:15
  How did you feel about having, uh, Eddie Vedder play the role you should have been in?
• 46:19
  The role you were born to play.
• 46:21
  Yeah, the born— the role you were born to play, but they got Eddie Vedder instead. That's too bad.
• 46:27
  Eddie Vedder is 60 years old. Did you know that?
• 46:29
  It seems like that's a little old. Yeah,
• 46:32
  yeah. Chad Kroeger is 50. He'll be 51 in November, so he's the younger option.
• 46:38
  Wow. Well, once Eddie's gone, we'll have this guy to take over.
• 46:43
  Don't rush Eddie Vedder to the grave.
• 46:46
  Get out of here, Eddie. We're tired of you.
• 46:48
  Chad joins Pearl Jam.
• 46:51
  Nickel Jam.
• 46:53
  Pearl Deck.
• 46:54
  Oh, they just combined into like a group and go on tour.
• 46:57
  They should. And they should get Smash Mouth with them too.
• 47:00
  Oh my God, now that's a tour. I would go see that just for Smash Mouth.
• 47:05
  Smashback Jam.
• 47:08
  Just to hear All Star. That's the only song I want to hear. What other songs do they even have?
• 47:12
  From the Shrek 2 soundtrack?
• 47:14
  Yeah, because that's a song I listen to all the time. It's one of the first CDs I ever owned was that.
• 47:17
  I know.
• 47:18
  What? They had another song on there that was pretty good. What's the other song that they, uh— I'm a Believer. That's the other song on there.
• 47:26
  Oh,
• 47:27
  that's a good song too.
• 47:29
  Oh, it's I'm a Believer by Neil Diamond, but they're called Smash Mouth.
• 47:33
  It's a cover. Wow.
• 47:36
  But I know it by the Monkees.
• 47:38
  What?
• 47:39
  Not Neil Diamond, unless he just wrote it for the Monkees.
• 47:41
  The Monkees.
• 47:42
  I'm a Believer.
• 47:44
  Yeah,
• 47:45
  by the way, that is a line that's that is a that is a line I enjoyed in the movie. I think it's Matt Bester's character's like, "Yeah, he's all right. I like the beat or the monkeys more."
• 47:54
  Oh yeah, you're almost as good as the monkeys.
• 47:56
  Yeah, as the Beatles are like breaking up before their eyes. Yeah,
• 48:03
  that that was pretty funny. The the Beatles fighting it out there in India. Paul Rudd, I Paul Rudd, Kristen Wiig and Paul Rudd are national treasures, and if they need to be in a movie. National Treasures Rebirth. Oh, they find a map on the back of the Declaration of Independence or whatever.
• 48:22
  National Treasures Rebirth. Yes. Does that— so does the Declaration of Independence get born again? Do we make a new one? We probably have to make a new one. Yeah.
• 48:31
  Well, after America falls in 2026, there's a new Declaration of Independence that happens that
• 48:36
  we have to steal it one year later. Yeah.
• 48:39
  Yes.
• 48:40
  That hasn't even— you know, these things take time to— but it does have a map on the back, which would
• 48:44
  be the most logical thing
• 48:46
  to do.
• 48:47
  That helps you find— that helps you find the previous Declaration of Independence that we have to get back.
• 48:52
  Yeah. Oh God, there's layers of declarations of independences.
• 48:56
  But Paul Rudd and Kristen Wiig are national treasures, and they are both very funny in this movie.
• 49:01
  Yes, I agree with that. I agree with that. Well, I'm sad that you didn't like this one so much, Derek.
• 49:08
  I don't know if I didn't like it, I just didn't laugh like I wanted to laugh. I wanted the laughter back in my life and it just wasn't happening.
• 49:16
  It was to light you up, but instead—
• 49:19
  Maybe there's only so much laughter to go around and I need them pretty hard.
• 49:22
  If you watch it early in the morning, I, I got done watching it at like 8:45.
• 49:27
  So see, yeah, Keith watched in the morning, he got most of the laughs.
• 49:30
  Keith sucked all the laughs out of this movie.
• 49:31
  I popped
• 49:31
  in by about 10:45 this morning.
• 49:34
  I picked it up around 1 and I started watching it, so I got the remaining, the, the scraps of laughs that were left.
• 49:40
  The scraps of laughs? The Laugh Scraps.
• 49:42
  Yep. And then there's nothing left for Derek.
• 49:44
  The Laugh Scraps would be the name of a good comedy club.
• 49:47
  The Laugh Scraps?
• 49:49
  From the '90s. Yeah.
• 49:50
  Yes.
• 49:51
  Hey everybody, welcome to Laugh Scraps. You guys ready to laugh? Yeah.
• 49:55
  Yeah. Woo!
• 49:56
  No.
• 49:58
  Yeah, that's me.
• 50:00
  Boo!
• 50:02
  I'm at a comedy club refusing to laugh.
• 50:04
  What do you mean laugh?
• 50:07
  All right, boyos, did we do it?
• 50:08
  I think so.
• 50:10
  Yeah. Yeah,
• 50:11
  did we get through Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story?
• 50:15
  Wasn't even a hard walk to take. It was pretty easy.
• 50:18
  I feel like with comedy, it's hard to talk about sometimes because it is—
• 50:22
  otherwise you're just retelling the jokes.
• 50:24
  Exactly. And it, it's just basically like, did you like it or did you not? You know, it's like— because humor is very subjective. So I don't know, it's tough to talk about, but I feel like we did a pretty good job.
• 50:37
  Well, what'd you guys think?
• 50:39
  I, I enjoyed the movie. I, I liked it. I liked it a lot.
• 50:44
  Got the chuckles out this morning, 10:30.
• 50:46
  I did, I did. All the chuckles in my life were off, were done by 10:45.
• 50:50
  All the chuckles in your life?
• 50:52
  Oh my God, for the week, for the weekend. No, they restart tomorrow.
• 50:57
  Got like half a life left.
• 50:59
  They restart tomorrow. It's the week's worth of chuckles.
• 51:03
  Can you imagine?
• 51:04
  So your chuckles are like the leprechaun.
• 51:06
  I emptied the tank today and they re-up tomorrow.
• 51:10
  Can you imagine how much laughing he would have done if it literally was like the rest of his life worth of laughing?
• 51:15
  Could you imagine if he was actually watching Hot Rod?
• 51:18
  Oh, I would be.
• 51:20
  Oh my goodness.
• 51:21
  I'd be nothing but tears the rest of my life.
• 51:23
  I wish Hot Rod had a musical band in it.
• 51:26
  Because
• 51:27
  I already chose it.
• 51:27
  There is a band in it, but I think— I don't know if they're— yeah, it's not the focus, so.
• 51:31
  Oh well.
• 51:32
  Um, I really like this actually too. I thought it was funny. I think it does a good job of riffing off of, um, Walk the Line. I'm glad I watched Walk the Line. I like this better than Walk the Line. Um,
• 51:45
  wow.
• 51:47
  Uh, and I like that it kind of doesn't just— it's not just solely a spoof of that. It kind of starts to spoof off of a lot of like other musical acts and stuff like that. Um, it's pretty funny. I do think it gets a little old after this, like the second half of the movie. Um, but overall pretty good. I enjoyed it.
• 52:05
  Tell you what, I didn't hate this movie. I didn't love this movie. I did— I don't even know if I enjoyed this movie, but I liked everybody in this movie. Does that make sense? Kind of like every person in the movie and the performances but not like the movie?
• 52:24
  Yeah, I think so.
• 52:26
  Now, we, I, we don't have to go into the whole full background, but do you think the issues you had in getting this movie played a part into—
• 52:33
  No, no, it had nothing to do with it.
• 52:35
  Like, you were soured by the whole issue already?
• 52:37
  I don't give a shit about that. I got the movie. I was excited. I got the movie to put it in the DVD player so I could play the clip so you guys could see it instead of renting the movie where you can only hear the clip, right? See, that's my dedication to the show.
• 52:49
  That is dedication.
• 52:50
  Because I, I will be, I will be honest that I am surprised that you didn't like it as much. I, I kind of thought you would really.
• 52:58
  I felt this was gonna be my wheelhouse just from the people that are in it. I just didn't find it funny in like the way that you guys did. Oh well, I tried. I really, I really tried really hard.
• 53:14
  That's all we can ask. Did you like do a couple fake laughs like?
• 53:18
  Just to see if it would get it going. Like,
• 53:20
  no, no, I didn't. I laughed more right now than I did through the entire movie. Well, we know what we thought. What did the internet have to say? Well, on July 11th, 2020, Tom Derd had this to say. Derd? D-E-R-D-T-H-O-M, like Tom Bosley. Derd. D-E-R-D. Watching it again and again. Absolutely hilarious film. It might be the best parody music biopic ever made, with amazing talent, excellent music, and great funny lines. Rewatchability is high. There are so many jokes in there and so much good music and acting, which make me wonder how come this film was not more popular back then. John C. Reilly is a multi-talented actor. Agreed. I'll agree with that. And a great comedian. I'll agree with that too. Overall, and carries this film right from the start. I guess that some folks didn't like the Walk the Line Johnny Cash film parody moments and then maybe got the film some negative comments. Reilly, however, does a great job of respect to the artist. And furthermore— what? Okay, what artist? Dewey Cox?
• 54:44
  Dewey Cox himself.
• 54:45
  And furthermore, he sings on each track with his own amazing voice. Impressive, heartful, and hilarious. Walk Hard, 10 out of 10.
• 54:57
  Wow.
• 54:58
  Ready for this? 171 found it helpful.
• 55:02
  Wow.
• 55:04
  Not so much. 10 out of 10. That is the biggest positive ratio we've ever had.
• 55:11
  Yeah, that's huge. That guy, that's probably the greatest thing he's ever written.
• 55:15
  Yeah, no kidding. Then, not to be outdone, on December 22nd, 2007, Mr_Walsh had this to say: complete trash. I walked out of this movie wishing, wishing I had my 2 hours back. It's an hour 35. The movie started out so-so and got steadily worse. This kind of shock value— shock value? Low-grade humor makes Airplane 2 look like Shakespeare.
• 55:49
  What?
• 55:50
  How Roger Ebert could give this a B is beyond me. The only thing more disturbing is knowing that they will have to try and top this with yet more shock value and wondering what else they could pile on. This movie has poop, every English vulgar word, full-frontal male and female nudity.
• 56:16
  Yes, that is true.
• 56:16
  And graphic depictions of decimated people.
• 56:20
  Oh, come on. It's not that graphic.
• 56:24
  I have to wonder about the people that made this film. Could you really go to the premiere of this thing smiling and proud you were part of this? What were you thinking, Jenna Fischer? Who would let their kids act in this thing and say such vulgarity? I'd be ashamed to have my name in the credits on this. I'm ashamed just to admit I went to this movie.
• 56:52
  Okay.
• 56:53
  19 found it helpful, 35 not so much, 1 out of 10.
• 56:59
  I could feel the hate out of that. Yes, and as soon as I got—
• 57:04
  before we got to the sentence about the male nudity, I knew what his problem was.
• 57:08
  I thought it was that too, as soon as he was like vulgar, and I was like, what was that bad? And I was like, oh, he probably didn't like that there was dong in it.
• 57:15
  Yeah, there was. Eye-level dong the whole time.
• 57:20
  That was very funny when that dong popped out.
• 57:22
  It's funny, but it didn't make me laugh.
• 57:25
  You didn't laugh at that? No, not even out of shock, like, oh.
• 57:30
  There was that— I, I will say that apart, that, uh, hotel scene, and his dad shows up the door and there's just naked women and naked men walking around, that was kind of funny.
• 57:40
  Yes.
• 57:40
  And the fact that there's just eye-level dong the entire time he's talking It's funny.
• 57:44
  At first it's just implied eye-level dong, and I was like, okay, that's pretty funny. And then, and then they actually— I didn't think they would actually show it, and then it just pops in the frame. We're like, whoa, okay, we are showing it. Interesting.
• 57:58
  Yeah, it's funny, right? I get it. I like— I chuckle, but it's not like— it didn't, it didn't do anything for me.
• 58:07
  It doesn't, it doesn't make you ashamed to admit that you watched it, does it?
• 58:10
  Oh heavens no.
• 58:11
  Okay,
• 58:13
  I've seen far worse movies. I've seen far trashier movies than that.
• 58:16
  Yes, this is not like acting like it's like the, the most offensive thing of all time. It's not.
• 58:21
  I always— that's what I love about these 1 out of 10 reviews, because people act like there's nothing worse on the face of the earth.
• 58:27
  Yeah, like your life has been made significantly worse just by this existing.
• 58:32
  It's— movie's fine, right? If you didn't— if you didn't dig it, I get it, but there's no way this is the worst movie on the face of the earth.
• 58:39
  No.
• 58:40
  But I do get that he's that upset. Mr. Walsh is that upset. I'm sorry, Mr. underscore Walsh is upset that there was dong.
• 58:49
  Yeah, it's just too much. Some people just can't handle a little dong.
• 58:53
  And, and the thing is, little dong is like the, the, the operative word there. It wasn't like he was hanging 12 inches.
• 59:01
  No.
• 59:01
  Where it'd be like, oh my God, I feel insecure about my manhood.
• 59:04
  No, it's reasonable dong.
• 59:05
  It was, yeah, it was average dong.
• 59:09
  A movie, a movie about Cox was ruined by an average dong.
• 59:13
  All right, we did it. We got through Dewey Cox, and that means we're on to me, right? Yes, we got a few things to do. All right, well, I got it. I made my pick. I made my pick 2 weeks ago. I got my DVD in hand.
• 59:31
  I didn't steal your pick this time.
• 59:32
  Did not steal my pick, even though I was mildly afraid you were going to.
• 59:38
  All right,
• 59:38
  I have chosen— I don't know where it's from, but it features Lonely Island. It's Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping.
• 59:44
  Oh, I have seen—
• 59:46
  I've never seen it. I do like everybody in Lonely Island, and after watching Naked Gun, uh, this is directed by the same people, so I got that going for me.
• 59:57
  Oh yes, interesting. Okay, yeah, a lot of people in this movie are affiliated with Hot Rod.
• 1:00:04
  Yeah, I imagine so. I imagine there's probably a lot of people that were in the Dewey Cox are in this movie as well, without having seen it yet.
• 1:00:11
  I just feel like this is opening up for a chance for Hot Rod to—
• 1:00:14
  it is. I mean, Hot Rod's been mentioned and we haven't even gotten to the deep dive next week yet.
• 1:00:19
  No,
• 1:00:20
  nope, that's true. Just keep it on the top of your brains. It could happen. It could happen.
• 1:00:24
  It can happen. Oh mio mio. Well, we did it. We got through Dewey Cox. We got the walking orders of Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping. I had to put the DVD in front of me so I could remember the title, because if it was just— I said Popstar, people might get confused.
• 1:00:39
  Yeah, you don't want to get people confused.
• 1:00:42
  No,
• 1:00:43
  there's a lot of Popstar movies. I'm sure
• 1:00:45
  there are, but not only one Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping.
• 1:00:50
  That is true. That is true.
• 1:00:53
  I guess that leaves us with nothing to do but to end this show the way we end everything.
• 1:01:02
  Yes, everything.
• 1:01:04
  Everything.
• 1:01:05
  Good enough.
• 1:01:05
  Christmas is coming, I'm gonna be late. Christmas is coming and I'm gonna be late. Christmas is coming, you know I'm gonna be late. Christmas is coming, I guess we'll wait and see. Christmas is coming with a Wait for me. I'm waiting on a paycheck for last-minute gifts. Got addresses missing from my Christmas card list. Got grandparents that need help shoveling snow. Can see why magic reindeer is the way to go. But if Saint Nick can do it in all one night, maybe this will be the year I'll finally get it right. Sent a letter saying I'm hoping you'll help me. The only thing now is wait and see.
• 1:01:41
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