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UN Women: “Coming for your platforms!” | HBR Talk 371 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three seventy one. You
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Speaker 1: and women coming for your platforms and they are. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Tanna Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brokes
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Speaker 1: and the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson with the dog
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Speaker 1: in charge in the background making sure things work the
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Speaker 1: way they should. And tonight we're still looking into you
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Speaker 1: and women's behaviors. I can't just say it's complaints against us,
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Speaker 1: because there's shit they want to do, wanted to do,
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Speaker 1: and they brought it up a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 1: and some of it sounds suspiciously like the stuff that's
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Speaker 1: being done today using children instead of misogyny as the excuse.
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Speaker 1: So this is something that they've been pushing for for
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Speaker 1: a while and they just basically found which buttons they
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Speaker 1: could push to try to get people to shut up
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Speaker 1: about it and accept it. And it looks like using
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Speaker 1: exploiting children as the vehicle hasn't necessarily worked any better.
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Speaker 1: People are still talking about it, but in any case,
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Speaker 1: they're still still doing it. So we are going to
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Speaker 1: take a look at what they wanted to do. And
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Speaker 1: there's at least one thing here that I know existed,
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Speaker 1: during this weekend. Zapier gave us one thousand dollars and
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Speaker 1: cool coming from Ohio as it does coming from London.
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Speaker 1: But you know, uh, konos, what kind of dollars is that? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't say so. It's probably a thousand American dollars.
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Speaker 1: Good lawd Yeah, Vapier loves us. So I just wanted
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Speaker 2: Yes, there we go.
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Speaker 1: That's that's got to happen now, like sometime next summer.
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Speaker 1: But thank you very much, Zapier. We are very grateful
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Speaker 1: and we love you too. Knoko's evil twin gave us
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Speaker 1: fifty dollars and said uh. The assassination of Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 1: is one hundred percent in line with the Democrat policy
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Speaker 1: to destroy the nuclear family. Divorce is the usual method
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Speaker 1: of dominating fathers from families, but on this occasion a
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Speaker 1: bullet was used instead. Charlie just wanted to build bridges.
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Speaker 1: The takeaway lesson from his murder is that not only
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Speaker 1: can you not build bridges with equal evil psychopaths, you
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Speaker 1: cannot build civilization itself either. There's no middle ground for
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Speaker 1: compromise with evil that will see you dead merely just
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Speaker 1: because of the words you say. The ice flow beckons
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Speaker 1: for the hazardous hominid biowate that we must discard. And
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Speaker 1: you know my thinking on this is you know this.
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Speaker 1: This man was assassinated for the crime of reaching out
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Speaker 1: to young men and instilling in them the ability to
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Speaker 1: form convictions with strength and wisdom that they can be
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Speaker 1: confident in by using logic and reason and facts instead
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Speaker 1: of feelings, which is what the universities are pushing on him.
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Speaker 1: He made them less easy to manipulate, lie to, and
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Speaker 1: trick into voting for things that they that are against
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Speaker 1: their self interest, and he made them more capable of
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Speaker 1: forming strong families. By choosing a partner who has those
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Speaker 1: same qualities and forming a family with that partner and
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Speaker 1: not some flippant female who might you know, have have
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Speaker 1: very few trustworthy qualities. And I think that that was
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Speaker 1: really the reason there was a big target on his back.
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Speaker 1: He was taking the ability away from the establishment to
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Speaker 1: manipulate young men. Yeah, they didn't just want to take
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Speaker 1: him away from his family, They wanted to take him
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Speaker 1: away from their families.
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Speaker 3: Well, hold on, honey, you need to turn down the temper.
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Speaker 3: I don't see anyone on your side even trying to
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Speaker 3: turn down the temperature on this divisive rhetoric that you're saying.
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Speaker 3: And if you don't turn down the temperature, then then
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Speaker 3: will we will keep firing guns at you. And don't
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Speaker 3: worry about the temperature of these guns. They're perfectly cold
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Speaker 3: blooded and we will keep them as cold blooded as
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Speaker 3: we can until you shut the fuck up. And I'm
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Speaker 3: doing the bird hands while I say this. You need
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Speaker 3: to shut the fuck up and turn down the temperature
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Speaker 3: on the things you're saying, or else we will keep
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Speaker 3: murdering you. Is that is? Does that please? And sparkle as?
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Speaker 1: Okay? I swear I need to make a bird hands
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Speaker 1: video where instead of like the pointy fingers with the
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Speaker 1: bird beak, I'm gonna do, you know, the the intertwined
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Speaker 1: thumbs with the rest of the fingers sticking out for
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Speaker 1: wings and just like maneuver them back and forth across
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Speaker 1: in front of my face as I'm ting fucking listen
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Speaker 1: to me, I have bird hands. These are bird hands, right.
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Speaker 1: But when it when it comes down to it, these
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Speaker 1: people talking about turning down the temperature, bringing down the temperature,
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Speaker 1: there's something that they don't realize, right, too hot and
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Speaker 1: too cold can both lead to the same outcome. Mm
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Speaker 1: hm and uh. This is this is something that you
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Speaker 1: know when I when my temper gets to the level
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Speaker 1: where it's threatening to be out of control, it's there's
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Speaker 1: a thing you do with your temper in that situation
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Speaker 1: when if you're smart and you you you understand that
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Speaker 1: you're you're not going to bring down your internal temperature.
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Speaker 1: You are going to be that angry and it is
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Speaker 1: it isn't going to go away. It's not something you
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Speaker 1: can squish into a little compartment and say it's not there,
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Speaker 1: and it's not something you can diffuse because your anger
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Speaker 1: is legitimate. It's real and solid, and the reason for
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Speaker 1: it is valid. It's a valid reason to be angry. Right,
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Speaker 1: somebody was was wrongly murdered here, and and it was
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Speaker 1: done for very petty reasons that pretty much are an
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Speaker 1: attack on the entire public. And it's not just an
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Speaker 1: attack on free speech. It's an attack on a way
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Speaker 1: of life, and it's an attack on the country. And
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Speaker 1: what people don't understand is the temperature on that temper
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Speaker 1: can be flipped from hot blooded, where you would do
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Speaker 1: something maybe poorly thought out right two cold and calculated meticulous.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And and when I when I get like that and
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Speaker 1: that's on the other side of it, should run yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's exactly where we are right now.
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Speaker 4: You know, there are people who don't understand or they're
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Speaker 4: you know, criticizing the right for lack of a better term,
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Speaker 4: for having this reaction. However, it's like how many times
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Speaker 4: can you poke the bear before the bear actually strikes out.
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Speaker 2: And hits you. You know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: It's the same fucking thing that they when it was
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Speaker 4: the left doing it, it was cancel culture, right, because
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Speaker 4: they were taking our words, twisting them and then using
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Speaker 4: that to attack our jobs.
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Speaker 2: Attack our livelihoods, attack.
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Speaker 4: Our families, and they don't so much like it when's
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Speaker 4: that pendulum swings right the fuck back in their direction.
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Speaker 2: They don't like that shit at all. Well, too bad,
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Speaker 2: too bad.
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Speaker 4: You open this fucking Pandora's by and you are getting
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Speaker 4: everything that is coming to you in spades, and I
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Speaker 4: you know, uh, it's just so frustrating, like, you know,
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Speaker 4: because this is kind of how I am.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm the nicest person in the world until
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Speaker 2: you fuck with me. Once you do that, then it's
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Speaker 2: all better over, you know what I mean. That's it.
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Speaker 4: You want this, You wanted this attention, and now you're
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Speaker 4: gonna fucking get it.
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Speaker 2: Now you all are gonna fucking get it.
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Speaker 5: And oh my god, and wroth that man lost his
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Speaker 5: fucking life, that woman lost her husband, those children lost
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Speaker 5: their fucking father, and I don't care about.
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Speaker 2: Your stupid woe is me cries, I can't even think.
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Speaker 4: Yes, No, there are not very many companies who will
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Speaker 4: accept a representative of that company, which as an employee,
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Speaker 4: that's exactly what you are. They're not gonna take kindly
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Speaker 4: to you being still very public publicly dancing on someone's grave.
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Speaker 1: Yep, you all remember dongle gate, dongle gate, dongle gate. There.
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Speaker 1: This was that I believe Python, which is for anybody
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Speaker 1: that's not a total nerd, that is a convention.
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Speaker 3: Someone made a joke about a dongle and some and
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Speaker 3: some Karen got them fired, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Python is a convention for people who specialize
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Speaker 1: in using Python, which is a programming language. And I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's still I know, programming languages sometimes
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Speaker 1: become outdated as new ones come along, and so I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's still in action. But this was
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Speaker 1: a rather large gathering and there was a demonstration going on,
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Speaker 1: and there were a couple of guys in the audience,
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Speaker 1: and the joke was so mild. The one said, the
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Speaker 1: guy had a big dongle. And then dongle is anything
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Speaker 1: that you attach your computer. So your USB thumb drive,
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Speaker 1: that's a dongle. If you have a device to like
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Speaker 1: to to enhance the use of your computer, if you
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Speaker 1: have a second any any excess power that you're going
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Speaker 1: to add to it, or anything, if you're attaching it,
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Speaker 1: it's a dongle. And and uh, that's that's all he said,
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Speaker 1: that's a big dongle. And and the other guy kind
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Speaker 1: of giggled, and then one of them said something about
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Speaker 1: I'd like to fork his code, and that was the
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Speaker 1: entire conversation. Forking is like you you ifire, remember it.
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Speaker 1: It's you take the individual's existing code and you build
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Speaker 1: from it in a different direction than they were going
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Speaker 1: with it. For Vernon, it's still used as last time
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Speaker 1: he checked, so there's probably still Python is probably still
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Speaker 1: in existence. Yeah, this rites an open source language.
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Speaker 3: It's not like this was something said on a like
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Speaker 3: public panel in this convention. It was said in the audience,
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Speaker 3: like in a private conversation between two guys and some
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Speaker 3: eves dropping feminists heard this, and she got them canceled
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Speaker 3: and she got them fired. This is where the leftist
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Speaker 3: feminists were ten years ago. They were getting people canceled
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Speaker 3: for telling that kind of silly joke in private in
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Speaker 3: an audience. Skipped to ten years ahead, and and they're
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Speaker 3: getting canceled for literally advocating murder. And then one's going
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Speaker 3: all we did was advocate some murder. Was the mind boggles.
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Speaker 3: There's not enough space in the mind for all this boggle.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, manngaka ninety two on Rumble says
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Speaker 1: Python is one of the most popular currently used. So
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Speaker 1: h if I remember right, not too long ago at oscon,
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Speaker 1: which is Open Source convention, there was there was a
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Speaker 1: similar not quite the same, but a similar kicking out
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Speaker 1: of people who were the wrong political perspective, right on
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Speaker 1: the wrong side of history in terms of you know
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Speaker 1: what political perspectives. You couldn't be there and be conservative,
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Speaker 1: or you couldn't be there and be affiliated with the
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Speaker 1: the pro consumer side of gamer Gate, the gamer Gate controversy.
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Speaker 1: So U basically OSCAN said, go home, gamer girl. And
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Speaker 1: of course the one that hits closest to home for
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Speaker 1: us was Alison and Troupe, including at least two at
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Speaker 1: least two of us on this panel were kicked out
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Speaker 1: of a convention for suggesting that both sexes are equally important.
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Speaker 1: Men are as human as women, and if you're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about gender in terms of comics, it's only
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Speaker 1: right and fair to bring both sexes into that conversation.
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Speaker 1: And that was it. That was the controversial statement, terribly controversial,
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Speaker 1: that was considered harassment to get permission to speak and
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Speaker 1: then to say that, right, that was it. So in
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Speaker 1: that time period they were canceling people, destroying career right,
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Speaker 1: getting people fired from their jobs. I mean, there were
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Speaker 1: several of us at a Voice for Men who were
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Speaker 1: docked and harassed on Twitter for the crime of switching
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Speaker 1: from calling ourselves men's rights activists, which was actually started
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Speaker 1: as a feminist slur, to calling ourselves men's human rights activists,
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Speaker 1: to remind people that what we are fighting for is
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Speaker 1: simply an inclusion of men in the human rights dialogue.
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Speaker 1: That was it, that was the controversial thing. That was
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Speaker 1: the reason why, for instance, the kindergarten that was attended
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Speaker 1: by Jack Barnes's daughter needed to be published, The address
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Speaker 1: needed to be published so that he should be scared
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Speaker 1: that somebody would show up there and do something violent.
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Speaker 1: Why they needed to tell people where my parents lived,
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Speaker 1: my elderly parents. That was the way that they were
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Speaker 1: just a few years ago. Today today they're mad that
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Speaker 1: they cannot repeatedly post pictures of gore and celebrate the
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Speaker 1: murder of a human being. For being on the wrong
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Speaker 1: side of a debate about what is the right way
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Speaker 1: to handle certain circumstances, whether it's gay rights, trans rights,
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Speaker 1: how your education is progressing, or any other political issue.
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Speaker 1: The controversy was the existence of open debate. That's it.
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Speaker 1: And they're mad that they can't celebrate that this man
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Speaker 1: was murdered for promoting open debate and still have their
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Speaker 1: company want to be associated with them. That's who we're
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Speaker 1: up against. That's who's telling us to turn down the temperature.
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Speaker 1: We're allowed to be mad, but you're not, is what
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Speaker 1: we're being told. We're allowed to be violent, but you're not.
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Speaker 1: That's what we're being told. Meredith g gave us ten dollars
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Speaker 1: and said, there's a question out there because the rise
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Speaker 1: of political violence in the twentieth and twenty first century
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Speaker 1: seems to correlate to the destruction of men's roles in
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Speaker 1: society and the failure of them to have a place
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Speaker 1: in society. These lost men are easy target for radicalization,
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Speaker 1: and they become weapons for the proxy violence that women fulminate.
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Speaker 1: So I've sort of looked into the history of you know,
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Speaker 1: the gay rights movement in the past, and that includes
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Speaker 1: like the trans rights movement and everything, and something that
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Speaker 1: I found interesting and we did do a we did
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Speaker 1: a show on this a while back. You know, all
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Speaker 1: these rights, the right to be left alone, essentially, to
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Speaker 1: not be treated like a disease in society because you're
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Speaker 1: a little bit different on your own, alone in your
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Speaker 1: home or with the consenting adult in your home. That
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Speaker 1: was fought for on the backs of men. That was
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Speaker 1: men and biologically male individuals that may identify as female,
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Speaker 1: or men who cross dressed and still identified as male.
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Speaker 1: They were the ones that did the bulk of activism
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Speaker 1: of taking the brunt of government punishment, taking the brunt
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Speaker 1: of social punishment, and physically being harmed by people throwing
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Speaker 1: rocks at them, by being shot by rubber bullets, by
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Speaker 1: being shot with real bullets, by being rested and beaten
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Speaker 1: up and and incarcerated, and uh in in some parts
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Speaker 1: of history, by being executed for the crime of being
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Speaker 1: that different, being so different that they have nothing in
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Speaker 1: their lives that is done in service to women. They're
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Speaker 1: the ones that fought for it right. But the ones
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Speaker 1: that have played victim the loudest are those who are
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Speaker 1: biologically female, lesbians, bisexual women, and trans men and uh
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Speaker 1: it's it's just a historical fact that women co opt
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Speaker 1: men's places and men's issues throughout history. Women have done
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Speaker 1: that once once Lesbians took over when it when it
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Speaker 1: switched from the the gay rights movement to the gay
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Speaker 1: and lesbian movement, and then the LGB movement, and then LGBT.
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Speaker 1: It went from being about human rights, the right to
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Speaker 1: be left alone, the right to not be interfered with
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Speaker 1: as long as you're not interfering with someone else, to
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Speaker 1: all kinds of rights to interfere with other people with impunity,
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Speaker 1: basically without being told no, the right to erase other
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Speaker 1: people's boundaries. And from there you ended up in the
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Speaker 1: education system and in the position to brainwash youth, and
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Speaker 1: in the position to brainwash young people like the individual
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Speaker 1: who shot Charlie Kirk. Feminist intrusion into that movement, which
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Speaker 1: was not initially a feminist movement, but intersectional feminism took
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Speaker 1: it over. When sectional feminism took it over, it became
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Speaker 1: what shaped that young man into an assassin. So feminism
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Speaker 1: is to blame very much, to blame for the death
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Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: Then we have.
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Speaker 1: Ok FS eighty seven. Underscore seven gave us eighty dollars
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Speaker 1: dollars and said I buy Micah's shirt exclamation point. Well,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much, Brex, love.
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Speaker 3: You Brex us so much for us and he asks
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Speaker 3: for nothing in return. Brex is a hero. He should
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Speaker 3: be protected at all costs.
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Speaker 1: And Telnar gave us thirty dollars and said thanks for
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Speaker 1: the book marks, Allison, and then gave us another forty
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Speaker 1: dollars and thanks for the shirt too. OKFS eighty seven
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Speaker 1: Underscore seven gave us another fifty dollars. We didn't get
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Speaker 1: messages from OKFS, so I don't know if that was
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Speaker 1: on purpose or an accident. And then today Meredith g
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Speaker 1: gave us five dollars and said, HBr talk three seventy one,
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Speaker 1: honey for the badger, thanks for the thought provoking conversation.
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Speaker 1: So we are all cut up on our on our
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Speaker 1: super chows. I also have a story that I just
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Speaker 1: something that you know, initially I was was very annoyed
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Speaker 1: when it was happening, and then but I, but I
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Speaker 1: you know, didn't complain because I figured there might be
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Speaker 1: a reason behind it. And ultimately the reason was men
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Speaker 1: were protecting me and everybody else on the on the
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Speaker 1: on my flight and get to Chicago. And about twenty
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Speaker 1: hours into my twenty two hour layover, my my flight
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Speaker 1: starts changing gates. God, you know that happens. I registered
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Speaker 1: way ahead of time, so it's it's expected sometimes this,
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Speaker 1: you know, like almost every time when I've had a
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Speaker 1: So no big deal. So I go to the second gate.
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Speaker 1: About ten minutes later it changed again, and then there
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Speaker 1: delay and a third flight delay, and in between the
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Speaker 1: second and the third flight delay. They bounced me back
25:21
Speaker 1: and forth between three different gates for a grand total
25:25
Speaker 1: of nine gate changes. Oh my god, I'm like, what
25:28
Speaker 1: the fuck you know, I'm like walking back and forth.
25:31
Speaker 1: My legs were already tired because we went up on
25:34
Speaker 1: the mountain at vance, and I'm abyssmally out of shape,
25:38
Speaker 1: like to the degree of like embarrassingly out of shape.
25:42
Speaker 1: People were watching out for me because they thought I
25:45
Speaker 1: was going to die.
25:48
Speaker 3: But she did make it to the top. Legend, gentlemen,
25:51
Speaker 3: we all made it to the top eventually. It was
25:53
Speaker 3: It's a glorious view. It's worth it.
25:55
Speaker 1: It is, it is, But apparently I've been to I
26:00
Speaker 1: was white as a sheet, but I don't make false
26:02
Speaker 1: teeth for people who know the song. But in any case,
26:08
Speaker 1: you know, I was obviously annoyed walking back and forth,
26:11
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth, with sore legs and everything.
26:13
Speaker 1: But I thought, you know, there's got to be a
26:14
Speaker 1: reason for this. They don't just do this. I've never
26:17
Speaker 1: seen them do this before. So finally, you know, it
26:20
Speaker 1: gets to where they're they're not changing the gate anymore,
26:23
Speaker 1: they're not delaying the flight anymore. And I was able
26:27
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody about what's what's going on with
26:32
Speaker 1: this flight? Like is something wrong? Is everything okay? And
26:36
Speaker 1: it turns out that the jet we were originally going
26:39
Speaker 1: to be on had a problem and there was no
26:42
Speaker 1: way that problem could be fixed in time for them
26:45
Speaker 1: to use that jet to make that flight. So they
26:49
Speaker 1: switched it to another jet, and that jet also had
26:55
Speaker 1: a problem, but they could fix that one. That problem
27:01
Speaker 1: was doable. They could handle it before you know, flight time. Well,
27:05
Speaker 1: then the engineers decided that you know, no, the mechanics
27:10
Speaker 1: that we're working on a plane, this is going to
27:12
Speaker 1: take longer than you you told the passengers, and so
27:16
Speaker 1: they changed the gate the first time to give them
27:21
Speaker 1: a little more time, but didn't delay the flight. And
27:24
Speaker 1: then when they did delay the flight, they delayed it
27:26
Speaker 1: like at the last minute. And then the mechanics are like, no,
27:31
Speaker 1: it's it's going to take this much time. Even if
27:34
Speaker 1: you don't give us this much time, we're not going
27:36
Speaker 1: to compromise. And so they took the amount of time
27:39
Speaker 1: it needed to do the job right to make sure
27:43
Speaker 1: the jet was in operating condition so that we wouldn't
27:47
Speaker 1: crash on the way back to Dayton. So shout out
27:52
Speaker 1: to the flight mechanics at American Airlines who protected everybody
27:58
Speaker 1: on that plane for them from the bureaucracy because when
28:03
Speaker 1: they they obviously had to fight for their right to
28:08
Speaker 1: do their job correctly. And this is this is why
28:12
Speaker 1: you should be glad that a lot of mechanical engineers
28:15
Speaker 1: and other mechanics are a little bit autistic, right, And
28:19
Speaker 1: they'll put this down and say this is going to
28:21
Speaker 1: take an hour, whether you want it to take half
28:25
Speaker 1: an hour or an hour. So they just go ahead
28:28
Speaker 1: and tell them it's going to take an hour. That's
28:32
Speaker 1: I'm glad for that, right, And the bureaucrats don't always understand, so.
28:38
Speaker 3: It's it's not the most efficient way to travel, but
28:41
Speaker 3: this is why they call it the safest way to travel.
28:44
Speaker 3: At least it was until it got flooded with DEI.
28:47
Speaker 3: But that's another story for another day. We don't off,
28:51
Speaker 3: we don't. We haven't been affected with all that bullshit.
28:54
Speaker 1: Yet You're still more likely to encounter the type of
28:57
Speaker 1: accident that will cause you to die if you're in
29:00
Speaker 1: a car than you are if you're on a jet,
29:06
Speaker 1: because being on a jet, accidents are much less forgiving.
29:12
Speaker 1: They work much harder to prevent them, because there's a
29:16
Speaker 1: whole lot of accidents you can have in a car
29:19
Speaker 1: that are just very annoying and and don't result in
29:22
Speaker 1: injury or death, just some that are, you know, potentially fatal.
29:29
Speaker 1: And people are more careless with vehicles, I think because
29:32
Speaker 1: they feel safe being surrounded by this cage and all
29:39
Speaker 1: of the safety features that have been added and so on,
29:42
Speaker 1: where you know, when you're thousands of feet in the air,
29:47
Speaker 1: you know that there's not very many things that can
29:50
Speaker 1: go catastrophically wrong without killing you, or at least that's
29:55
Speaker 1: the way it feels, right, and so you're a lot
29:58
Speaker 1: more careful. So there we go, men doing their jobs.
30:07
Speaker 1: Women most affected, but in a good way. But that
30:14
Speaker 1: all said, let's let's get into the meeting.
30:16
Speaker 3: We have to talk about you and women now we do,
30:20
Speaker 3: which we could just delay the inevitable by talking about
30:22
Speaker 3: anything else.
30:25
Speaker 1: All right, So let's see we have to go here.
30:31
Speaker 1: This is where we were right. We had this this
30:33
Speaker 1: discussion about this article what is the mainosphere and why
30:38
Speaker 1: should we care? Blah blah blah. We read this and uh,
30:42
Speaker 1: it ended in a discussion about digital abuse in real
30:48
Speaker 1: world stereotypes and misogyny, uh and so on, and we
30:54
Speaker 1: we got to the risk of radicalization. We read the
30:57
Speaker 1: rest of this right, but we got to the risk
31:00
Speaker 1: of radicalization, and we're told about this research from the
31:05
Speaker 1: Institute for Strategic Dialogue. So we looked up the Institute
31:10
Speaker 1: for Strategic Dialogue and this is them powering solutions to
31:16
Speaker 1: hate extremism and authoritarianism. Oh my, I don't want your
31:22
Speaker 1: fucking cookies rejected. There we go, and of course we
31:26
Speaker 1: looked at who they are and what they do. Let's
31:29
Speaker 1: see that wasn't here, but it gave a brief explanation
31:34
Speaker 1: of who they are, and then most of the pages
31:38
Speaker 1: for what they do and how that manifests didn't lead anywhere.
31:43
Speaker 1: There were no links. So then we found the actual
31:48
Speaker 1: study and opened it up and we read their definitions.
31:55
Speaker 1: Last week they how they define or not last week,
31:59
Speaker 1: but last the last episode, how they define things like
32:03
Speaker 1: misogyny and online gender based violence, which I still can't
32:09
Speaker 1: take seriously, right, online violence. I had a conversation with
32:15
Speaker 1: a feminist during my wait time for I want to say,
32:22
Speaker 1: for my first leg of my first flight or the
32:29
Speaker 1: flight to Calgary, and in that conversation it might have
32:36
Speaker 1: been during the layover, but in that conversation, she repeatedly
32:43
Speaker 1: inserted video and images of gore from the Charlie Kirk murder,
32:51
Speaker 1: from the Charlie Kirk assassination into the conversation that were
32:56
Speaker 1: completely unrelated to what was under discussion. These were not
33:00
Speaker 1: we weren't discussing Charlie Kirk. We were discussing something else,
33:04
Speaker 1: and she just invaded the conversation from outside there was
33:07
Speaker 1: she wasn't tagged into it, she didn't need to be there.
33:10
Speaker 1: She's kind of invited herself in and started posting that shit.
33:14
Speaker 1: Two strangers on the Internet with no connection whatsoever to
33:19
Speaker 1: the conversation. Right if we did that, two feminists who
33:29
Speaker 1: were discussing some you know, something to do with maybe
33:32
Speaker 1: custody or child support or something like that, and just started,
33:37
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any such gore related to them, honestly,
33:42
Speaker 1: but just started took a woman who had been murdered,
33:46
Speaker 1: that that that there were images of this woman being murdered,
33:50
Speaker 1: and just started posting that gore in that chat. You
33:53
Speaker 1: can guarantee, without a doubt that would be deemed online
34:01
Speaker 1: gender based violence.
34:05
Speaker 3: We have examples very recently of a woman being brutally
34:09
Speaker 3: murdered and a man being brutally murdered. They've been the
34:13
Speaker 3: two biggest stories in the news over the last week
34:16
Speaker 3: or so, and I guess showing either of them would
34:21
Speaker 3: would be unacceptable anti feminist nonsense. And we're talking about
34:28
Speaker 3: Irina Zariska and Charlie Kirk, and you think that they
34:34
Speaker 3: would present as opposing examples of violence against women and
34:39
Speaker 3: violence against men, and yet they're both being presented by
34:44
Speaker 3: the quote unquote right. And until Charlie Kirk was murdered,
34:51
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, well, the murder of Iriana Zariska
34:59
Speaker 3: is an example of the right sort of taking up
35:04
Speaker 3: the mantle that the left refused to take up because
35:14
Speaker 3: you would expect.
35:17
Speaker 2: That.
35:19
Speaker 3: Hang on, I have a write up somewhere that I
35:21
Speaker 3: didn't get to do in the other thing. Where is it.
35:27
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going to be a little bit controversial here,
35:34
Speaker 6: but I feel that you need to notice how the
35:36
Speaker 6: quote unquote online right is so ready to adopt the
35:40
Speaker 6: ostensible positions of the legacy left as and when the
35:44
Speaker 6: legacy left neglects to adopt them.
35:47
Speaker 3: As we know, the virtue signalers of the icophobic, missandric
35:51
Speaker 3: left are usually very vocal about protecting women, and in
35:56
Speaker 3: the current decade, they're also very vocal about protect acting Ukrainians.
36:02
Speaker 3: But it shouldn't be surprising that they're all radio silent
36:05
Speaker 3: when it comes to the brutal, senseless murder of a
36:08
Speaker 3: Ukrainian woman, as and when they can't find a way
36:12
Speaker 3: to blame it on native men i e. White men,
36:17
Speaker 3: in this case, American men. We've all been here doing
36:22
Speaker 3: this for long enough to understand perfectly why they don't
36:25
Speaker 3: give a shit, because they never did give a shit
36:28
Speaker 3: about protecting women or Ukrainians. They're only interested in demonizing
36:35
Speaker 3: European men, especially European American men. What seems odd to
36:40
Speaker 3: me is that the quote unquote online right is so
36:44
Speaker 3: ready to pick up the slack of the legacy left.
36:47
Speaker 3: They're supposed to be the ones who give a shit
36:49
Speaker 3: about men, especially their own countrymen, but they don't seem
36:53
Speaker 3: to give a shit about the countless examples of their
36:56
Speaker 3: own countrymen getting publicly shanked and shot and sucker punched
37:01
Speaker 3: on a daily basis in every major city in every
37:06
Speaker 3: Western country. And they have the nerve to make the
37:09
Speaker 3: story about how the legacy media isn't covering this whatsoever. Yeah,
37:15
Speaker 3: and you never covered the stories of the exact same
37:18
Speaker 3: shit happening to men all the time, unless it's a
37:23
Speaker 3: celebrity like Charlie Kirk, and then you give a shit.
37:26
Speaker 3: And yes, I realize, I realize it's not news when
37:31
Speaker 3: it happens to men, because it happens all the time
37:35
Speaker 3: to men. It's like people taking illegal drugs or exceeding
37:39
Speaker 3: the speed limit. These are crimes that are committed all
37:43
Speaker 3: over the place, all over the time. If we made
37:45
Speaker 3: a news story about it every time it happens, it
37:48
Speaker 3: would make up ninety nine percent of the news. But
37:51
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean we shouldn't be outraged about innocent men
37:55
Speaker 3: getting killed or injured. Harden my anus. But I think
38:00
Speaker 3: men's lives are just as important as women's lives, and
38:04
Speaker 3: we ought to be, if anything, a hundred times more
38:08
Speaker 3: outraged about their lives being callously disposed of, what with
38:12
Speaker 3: it happening one hundred times more often approximately, And the
38:17
Speaker 3: fact that we're not is to me the story. If
38:22
Speaker 3: you think the fate of Ariana Zarutzka is symbolic of
38:26
Speaker 3: the decline of society because half of the country doesn't
38:29
Speaker 3: seem to give a shit. Well, I have some shocking
38:31
Speaker 3: news for you. This shit happens to men all the time,
38:36
Speaker 3: and almost the entire country doesn't give a shit. And
38:40
Speaker 3: it's been this way for longer than anyone can remember.
38:44
Speaker 3: The left doesn't care about anyone or anything. We've established
38:48
Speaker 3: that what the left claims to care about is actually
38:53
Speaker 3: what the right cares about women, especially photogenic women, especially
38:59
Speaker 3: Ukrainian rep. Geez. Meanwhile, what the right claims to care
39:03
Speaker 3: about is actually what nobody cares about men. It's what
39:09
Speaker 3: nobody cares about, except, of course us. A handful of
39:13
Speaker 3: shadow band space lepers on the Internet. Now that the
39:17
Speaker 3: psychotic left is finally acknowledging this, a lot of them
39:21
Speaker 3: are going, well, this is what you white people can
39:24
Speaker 3: expect after four hundred years of oppressing black people. And
39:28
Speaker 3: the right is responded to this by going, but she's Ukrainian,
39:35
Speaker 3: as if to insinuate that if she was American or
39:39
Speaker 3: Western European, it would somehow be a valid point for
39:42
Speaker 3: these psychos to be blaming the victim, or at least
39:45
Speaker 3: it would be a more valid point. Sorry, but fuck you,
39:50
Speaker 3: actually sorry, not sorry, and fuck you. Nobody deserves to
39:55
Speaker 3: be shanks in the neck, not even people of Northwest
40:00
Speaker 3: European descent, not even men. But yeah, we've got the
40:04
Speaker 3: left continuing to blame everything on Northwest European men, while
40:09
Speaker 3: the right is defending everyone else. It's been completely normalized
40:16
Speaker 3: for this to happen to us. For every ninety nine
40:19
Speaker 3: men who get brutalized, it happens to one woman. And
40:25
Speaker 3: then everyone gets outraged and they think they're addressing the problem.
40:30
Speaker 3: You're not. This is a symptom of the problem. The
40:32
Speaker 3: complete indifference to white male lives and their disposability is
40:37
Speaker 3: the problem. You only demonstrate your compliance with this problem
40:42
Speaker 3: when you ignore all the male lives and you clutch
40:45
Speaker 3: at your pearls on the odd occasion when that callous
40:49
Speaker 3: indifference happens to affect a female life. If you want
40:54
Speaker 3: to address this problem, try addressing the other ninety nine
40:58
Speaker 3: percent of it. If you want to preserve life, see
41:00
Speaker 3: if you can briefly glance in the direction of the
41:03
Speaker 3: vast majority of lives that are being unthinkingly disposed of.
41:10
Speaker 3: Dare I say, systematically and institutionally, namely your own countrymen.
41:16
Speaker 3: The left needs to stop demonizing them at every opportunity,
41:21
Speaker 3: and the right needs to at least acknowledge them. That
41:25
Speaker 3: would at least be a start. We still haven't even
41:27
Speaker 3: got to the start. I don't pretend like you give
41:30
Speaker 3: a shit about innocent lives when you can't even comprehend
41:34
Speaker 3: that men have innocent lives. Yeah, sick of it, man,
41:41
Speaker 3: fkaing sick of it.
41:43
Speaker 1: Very much so. And you know, as a result, like
41:48
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of men who are simply choosing
41:50
Speaker 1: to walk away and their right to do so. I mean,
41:55
Speaker 1: when you consider it right engaging in violence on someone
42:03
Speaker 1: else's behalf, even if it is the mildest form of violence.
42:06
Speaker 1: You bear hug somebody, for instance, to keep them from
42:09
Speaker 1: doing something more violent, that's risky. There's a physical risk involved.
42:16
Speaker 1: That individual may switch their violence effectively to you. If
42:21
Speaker 1: they're ineffective, okay, may seem like no big deal. If
42:26
Speaker 1: they're effective, then you're injured. Right, So, every time someone
42:33
Speaker 1: expects a man to step up on behalf of the
42:36
Speaker 1: victim of a violent crime, they're saying, you need to
42:40
Speaker 1: put yourself at risk to protect this other individual. You
42:44
Speaker 1: do make this other individual's safety more important than your own.
42:49
Speaker 1: That is the message that men are getting. They're getting
42:51
Speaker 1: that message every day. They get that message every day
42:56
Speaker 1: from early childhood when they are told to get into
43:00
Speaker 1: between bullies and girls, even if the bully is another girl.
43:06
Speaker 1: And the best advice you could give a guy is
43:07
Speaker 1: if the bully is another girl, you stay out of it.
43:12
Speaker 1: If you see two women fighting, two girls fighting, stay
43:15
Speaker 1: out of it. It's gonna get vicious. There's nothing, literally,
43:20
Speaker 1: nothing you can do to help that isn't going to
43:23
Speaker 1: result in some sort of splashback on you of some
43:29
Speaker 1: sort of consequence, whether it's physical or social or legal.
43:37
Speaker 4: And even when they hear that, you can literally say
43:40
Speaker 4: the words to these men and it's just like natural
43:44
Speaker 4: instinct for them.
43:45
Speaker 2: To just be on this. Well, No, I must protect.
43:48
Speaker 1: Those wah yeah to it. Yeah, like I said, from
43:52
Speaker 1: early childhood, then other people's safety is more important than
43:56
Speaker 1: their own, and it's their job to risk their safety
43:59
Speaker 1: for other people. It's not it's no, that's a job.
44:05
Speaker 1: Security staff does that job, bodyguards do that job. They
44:09
Speaker 1: get paid, police do that job, they get paid.
44:13
Speaker 4: Right, and and it's not even that day, it's not
44:16
Speaker 4: even that. It's not your job, it's not your responsibility.
44:19
Speaker 4: And on top of which you could end up risking
44:23
Speaker 4: your own life or jail time because you wanted to
44:27
Speaker 4: help this woman because she said she was in danger.
44:31
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this guy wrong.
44:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the incidents, there's been a few incidents that
44:37
Speaker 1: have been made public online where some woman stole a
44:40
Speaker 1: man's bag shopping bag or whatever, like you know those
44:44
Speaker 1: grocery shopping bags you can buy to reuse, Yeah, and
44:47
Speaker 1: and tried to run off with it, and everybody thought,
44:49
Speaker 1: because he was chasing her, that he was the perse
44:52
Speaker 1: snatcher and tackled him. And there's been a couple of
44:56
Speaker 1: instances where the person, the actual bag snatcher, got away.
45:00
Speaker 1: There's been instances where, you know, the the individual that
45:06
Speaker 1: was the victim of the bag snatching got injured by
45:11
Speaker 1: the people trying to protect the bag snatcher from him.
45:14
Speaker 1: And you know, people have been sued for this, people
45:17
Speaker 1: have been jailed for assaulting someone because of this. So, yeah,
45:24
Speaker 1: if you don't understand the situation, you could actually do
45:30
Speaker 1: something wrong by trying to protect a woman. Women do
45:34
Speaker 1: commit crimes, and women do commit violent crimes. They may
45:40
Speaker 1: not be the majority arrested for violent crimes, but when
45:45
Speaker 1: you see a violent conflict between a man and a woman,
45:52
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on, and the best thing
45:55
Speaker 1: to do is either stay out of it or to
45:59
Speaker 1: try to talk it down to let's wait for the
46:02
Speaker 1: police and let them decide what's going on instead of
46:06
Speaker 1: you deciding what's going on and engaging in violence. And
46:12
Speaker 1: the other thing that I would say is in those circumstances,
46:17
Speaker 1: even if you take pictures or video for evidence purposes,
46:21
Speaker 1: don't put that shit on social media. No, all right,
46:24
Speaker 1: because whoever the victim is probably doesn't want to be
46:28
Speaker 1: on social media being the victim of a crime. That
46:32
Speaker 1: is a moment of embarrassment and humiliation. For a violent
46:37
Speaker 1: crime victim, it's horrible being dominated by another person and
46:44
Speaker 1: not being able to stop them from doing to you
46:49
Speaker 1: whatever it is they want to do to you, or
46:51
Speaker 1: taking from you whatever it is they want to take
46:53
Speaker 1: from you. It's not just humbling, it's humiliating. And nobody
46:58
Speaker 1: wants their most hue a miliating moment on on social
47:03
Speaker 1: media for everybody to see that they couldn't defend themselves.
47:08
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is it's not You don't become a
47:12
Speaker 1: hero by putting that stuff on social media. You don't
47:16
Speaker 1: become a hero by jumping to conclusions about a circumstance
47:21
Speaker 1: and then acting on those without without evidence. So in
47:28
Speaker 1: any case, yeah, that's that's real world violence, and that
47:33
Speaker 1: violence is real. Right, this is an entirely different story.
47:41
Speaker 1: So what where we are now? We're we're talking about
47:48
Speaker 1: what they want to do? What do they want to
47:50
Speaker 1: do about the situation. And the first thing they came
47:53
Speaker 1: out with their introductory paragraph to this section, which I
47:59
Speaker 1: guess they put the label for each section. They just
48:07
Speaker 1: they just just put the section up. Let me see
48:09
Speaker 1: if I have this again. We'll just duplicate this tab.
48:17
Speaker 2: We are on.
48:20
Speaker 1: This will be page twenty one. But let's see if
48:28
Speaker 1: I can go. No, I don't need that go all
48:32
Speaker 1: the way back to the top. We don't need to
48:36
Speaker 1: view a summary. We need to view the title. The
48:40
Speaker 1: thing that I'm looking at is we talked about how
48:43
Speaker 1: they want to enable API access to platform data. So
48:47
Speaker 1: they want Facebook and x dot com and Reddit and
48:55
Speaker 1: YouTube and all those different platforms to share with each other.
48:58
Speaker 1: Here is what the people on our platform are saying
49:02
Speaker 1: and doing, And here's what we are what we are doing,
49:06
Speaker 1: what our algorithms look like, what our information coming in
49:10
Speaker 1: looks like, and so on and then we talked a
49:16
Speaker 1: little bit about how they want to when they say
49:19
Speaker 1: apply a victim survivor centered safety and privacy by design
49:27
Speaker 1: like by design approach, what they're saying is you're guilty
49:33
Speaker 1: until proven innocent, and then sometimes even if proven innocent
49:37
Speaker 1: in terms of what you have said and done on
49:41
Speaker 1: social media and it's impact on the individual who is
49:45
Speaker 1: reporting you, and whether or not that that impact makes
49:50
Speaker 1: you guilty of something that doing something wrong, whether there's
49:53
Speaker 1: wrongdoing involved, you're guilty unless proven innocent, and sometimes even
50:01
Speaker 1: if how they feel determines your your guilt. So even
50:07
Speaker 1: if you say something or do something that is completely innocent,
50:11
Speaker 1: if someone feels harassed by it, you can still be
50:15
Speaker 1: considered guilty by that reason. And I think we've also
50:21
Speaker 1: talked in the past about how some of those platforms
50:25
Speaker 1: back when X was Twitter, for instance, would take the
50:29
Speaker 1: exact same behavior and it would be it would be
50:34
Speaker 1: against terms of service if people with the wrong political
50:40
Speaker 1: outlook did it, But if people with accepted political outlooks
50:43
Speaker 1: did it, then it was okay. So feminists could call
50:46
Speaker 1: me a bit and a cunt and call me a
50:50
Speaker 1: gay man as a form of insult, use slurs anti
50:56
Speaker 1: gay slurs, all kinds of stuff and conversation and get
51:01
Speaker 1: away with it. But if I said it was idiotic
51:06
Speaker 1: for somebody to think that somebody with the name Hannah
51:09
Speaker 1: was mail, that would get reported and I would get
51:13
Speaker 1: a twelve hour suspension for insulting the individual or for
51:18
Speaker 1: for hate. You know, they could say, well, you're you're
51:20
Speaker 1: calling them stupid, right, so that would be that that
51:25
Speaker 1: would be basically that unequal. But you know, if you
51:29
Speaker 1: reported the stuff they said, they would no wrongdoing would
51:32
Speaker 1: be found. And to a degree, Trust and Safety is
51:35
Speaker 1: still doing that. Case in point, the word retarded. Depending
51:41
Speaker 1: on which side of the political aisle you're on, you
51:44
Speaker 1: can use that word over and over again and no
51:46
Speaker 1: wrongdoing is found. But if you use that word once
51:50
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the political isle, it's it's
51:53
Speaker 1: a suspension. So there you go.
51:57
Speaker 3: It should always be acceptable because we're todd it just
52:00
Speaker 3: means slow, and it was simply used as a euphemism
52:05
Speaker 3: after all the other euphemisms worked. The word imbecile used
52:11
Speaker 3: to be the scientifically appropriate word, and and then that
52:16
Speaker 3: was overused by people calling calling their mates imbecile whenever
52:22
Speaker 3: they did something im basilic and then it got changed
52:26
Speaker 3: to moron. Moron used to be the equivalent of the
52:30
Speaker 3: word retard. It was what it used to be, a
52:35
Speaker 3: scientifically applicable word. But but then people got hold of
52:39
Speaker 3: that and started using it to call their friends whenever
52:44
Speaker 3: they did something retarded, and then they had to change
52:49
Speaker 3: it to retard it. It's been called the ah the
52:56
Speaker 3: euphemism treadmill that no matter no matter what word you use,
53:02
Speaker 3: it keeps, it keeps getting overused, and then we had
53:06
Speaker 3: to use a different word, and then we had to
53:07
Speaker 3: use a different word, and no matter what word we use,
53:11
Speaker 3: it goes from politically correct to politically incorrect. And it
53:16
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what word you change it to, it keeps
53:20
Speaker 3: getting added to this fucking treadmill. And it's the same
53:24
Speaker 3: problem all square words have. The fact that they that
53:28
Speaker 3: people are offended by them is why people keep using
53:32
Speaker 3: them because it's it's it's because it's offensive that we
53:38
Speaker 3: make jokes about it, and it covers so many of
53:42
Speaker 3: these things. People make jokes about women because we know
53:48
Speaker 3: it's naughty, because we know we're not supposed to do.
53:52
Speaker 1: That well, and what you get when people go too
53:57
Speaker 1: far in the other direction is kind of hilarious. Like,
53:59
Speaker 1: I used to have a boss that went to Catholic
54:02
Speaker 1: school when she was growing up, and she was that
54:04
Speaker 1: kid who always got pulled to the front of the class.
54:06
Speaker 1: You're gonna sit up here by the teacher's desk because
54:08
Speaker 1: you're misbehaving, right, She had pretty sure. She had add
54:12
Speaker 1: she was very, very hyperactive even as an adult, and
54:19
Speaker 1: like she couldn't sit still for a minute. But she
54:22
Speaker 1: wouldn't if she she didn't like something. You know, a
54:25
Speaker 1: lot of people would oh, that's retarded. She wouldn't say that.
54:27
Speaker 1: She would say that's redundant. And I used to raz
54:30
Speaker 1: her about it, like somebody would do something and she'd
54:32
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, don't do that, that's redundant. And I
54:34
Speaker 1: would say, no, they only did it once. She'd be like,
54:38
Speaker 1: shut up, shut up.
54:39
Speaker 2: That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
54:43
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, she knows what it means. She just
54:44
Speaker 1: couldn't say retarded because it was programmed out of her
54:47
Speaker 1: in school. They probably wrapped her on the knuckles with
54:50
Speaker 1: a stick repeatedly, a yardstick, repeatedly for saying stuff like that.
54:58
Speaker 1: So you know, you have the She had another word
55:02
Speaker 1: she used for it. Everybody knew she meant retarded, right,
55:05
Speaker 1: And then there's there's the other end of it in
55:10
Speaker 1: the industry, because I'm a direct support professional right now.
55:13
Speaker 1: I've been a direct support professional for eleven years. And
55:19
Speaker 1: you know, we work with intellectually disabled adults. We do
55:22
Speaker 1: not work with retarded people. We don't call them that
55:25
Speaker 1: because not everybody who has an intellectual disability is retarded.
55:30
Speaker 1: I have an IQ on paper at least, and and
55:35
Speaker 1: this this has a range, all right. The lowest score
55:40
Speaker 1: I've ever gotten on an informal test has been one
55:43
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five. The official score I was given
55:49
Speaker 1: in a medical setting was one hundred and sixty five.
55:53
Speaker 1: At one point when we thought I had a physical
55:56
Speaker 1: disability caused by a car accident, and I started the
56:00
Speaker 1: process of going for disability very grudgingly. Their first rejection,
56:06
Speaker 1: they sent me to a psychiatrist, and the psychiatrist said
56:09
Speaker 1: that my IQ was off his chart. He didn't have
56:11
Speaker 1: a number for it, which his numbers went at least
56:16
Speaker 1: up to two hundred. So different days I might have
56:19
Speaker 1: different results, but I'm sticking with one hundred and sixty
56:22
Speaker 1: five because that's what my doctor found, right. I have
56:26
Speaker 1: an intellectual disability. I am autistic. If if I see
56:34
Speaker 1: something happen, like a crime, and I want to tell
56:39
Speaker 1: the police what happened, and they want to take me
56:42
Speaker 1: in and have me sit with an artist to draw
56:44
Speaker 1: a picture of the face of the person who did it,
56:48
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I won't be able to tell
56:52
Speaker 1: them what shape the eyes were, or whether the nose
56:54
Speaker 1: is wide enough or not, whether they were smiling or frowning,
56:58
Speaker 1: whether they like I can tell you if they sounded angry.
57:01
Speaker 1: I can tell you if their words were angry, But
57:05
Speaker 1: unless their facial expression was exaggerated, I won't remember it.
57:11
Speaker 1: If you tell me your name five minutes later, I
57:13
Speaker 1: won't remember that either, and I'll struggle for it for weeks. Right,
57:22
Speaker 1: if you give me a puzzle to work on and
57:25
Speaker 1: then the building catches on fire, you better drag my
57:28
Speaker 1: ass out of there, because I'm not gonna notice. But
57:32
Speaker 1: even though I might not notice that fire alarm going off,
57:36
Speaker 1: if there's a beep in the background from something else,
57:41
Speaker 1: it will drive me fucking nuts.
57:44
Speaker 2: Like a smoke alarm.
57:46
Speaker 1: Oh god, alarms, I absolutely and they go off so
57:51
Speaker 1: at my work in some of the houses like they're
57:57
Speaker 1: they're owned by an organization, so there's instead of an organization,
58:03
Speaker 1: instead of an individual like us being able to just
58:05
Speaker 1: go in and change the batteries, you have to report
58:08
Speaker 1: it to maintenance that the battery has died in the
58:10
Speaker 1: fire alarm or the smoke alarm is going off, and
58:13
Speaker 1: of course that's not an emergency. They will come in
58:15
Speaker 1: during the day. So if it starts going off at
58:18
Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night and I come in at eleven thirty,
58:22
Speaker 1: it's going to continue to do that every so many
58:25
Speaker 1: seconds throughout the entire night while I'm there, and there's
58:27
Speaker 1: not a single room you can go into where you
58:30
Speaker 1: can't hear it. So like I can handle that. I
58:35
Speaker 1: don't like it. I really don't like it, So I'm
58:38
Speaker 1: not as bad off as some people. This kind of
58:42
Speaker 1: thing can really interfere with an individual sometimes, but it
58:46
Speaker 1: will help prevent me from being as effective in any
58:50
Speaker 1: kind of like problem solving, because every time I hear that,
58:54
Speaker 1: I lose track of my thoughts. Right, So, intellectual disability
59:00
Speaker 1: covers a much broader spectrum of things that happen to people.
59:04
Speaker 1: If you have attention deficit disorder, you are on the
59:07
Speaker 1: intellectual disability spectrum if you legitimately have it, if your
59:12
Speaker 1: teacher didn't just decide that an eight year old acting
59:14
Speaker 1: like a normal eight year old had ADD, because ADD
59:17
Speaker 1: is a lot more rare than it looks, because it's
59:21
Speaker 1: over over diagnosed. Autism is a lot more rare than
59:24
Speaker 1: it looks because it's over diagnosed. And and then of
59:30
Speaker 1: course autism also has a spectrum. And then there are
59:34
Speaker 1: other brain disorders that get diagnosed as autism when they're not.
59:40
Speaker 1: So that's another problem, right, But to simplify the entire thing,
59:47
Speaker 1: the entire spectrum to retarded is retarded. Yeah, only idiots
59:53
Speaker 1: do that. Only morons call everybody on the intellectual disabilities
59:59
Speaker 1: spectrum retarded. Nobody with any real intelligence would do that
1:00:06
Speaker 1: because they have to know that they are lumping people
1:00:09
Speaker 1: in who probably have a higher IQ than they do
1:00:13
Speaker 1: uh and and probably could could outperform them in certain
1:00:18
Speaker 1: areas of life in their lumping them in with people
1:00:25
Speaker 1: who have such a low IQ that they wouldn't be
1:00:28
Speaker 1: able to handle a hypothetical question. So so there you go.
1:00:34
Speaker 3: But well, now at the point, now, at the point
1:00:36
Speaker 3: where the appropriate word for such people is slow. Oh
1:00:39
Speaker 3: my god, you're being so slow and we're going to
1:00:42
Speaker 3: get to the point where it's uh politically incorrect to
1:00:46
Speaker 3: call someone slow. You can't call someone slow. I have
1:00:50
Speaker 3: a cousin who is medically slow. How dare you take
1:00:55
Speaker 3: phone of a medical condition like being slow? And now
1:00:58
Speaker 3: we'll need to call it something eeh else I don't.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, while the industry has moved on to referring to
1:01:08
Speaker 1: intellectual disabilities, the state is still using mentally retarded slash
1:01:14
Speaker 1: developmentally delayed as if you always catch up later. So
1:01:22
Speaker 1: it's it's kinda and they they may never change that, right,
1:01:26
Speaker 1: just like euphemisms for being black went through a whole
1:01:32
Speaker 1: variety of different You can't call people this, you can't
1:01:35
Speaker 1: call people that. At one point, you can't use the
1:01:38
Speaker 1: word colored to describe somebody who is black, and the NAACP,
1:01:47
Speaker 1: the c in CP is colored colored people.
1:01:50
Speaker 3: Right.
1:01:51
Speaker 1: That never changed. And I think it's because a lot
1:01:54
Speaker 1: of times these organizations are fully aware that those euphemisms
1:01:58
Speaker 1: are going to change, and it's it's too much trouble
1:02:02
Speaker 1: to try to keep up. And I think the public
1:02:05
Speaker 1: should take that same attitude, it's too much trouble to
1:02:07
Speaker 1: try to keep up. My opinion is the word stupid
1:02:15
Speaker 1: only describes people who could do better but choose not to.
1:02:23
Speaker 1: And so if I call you stupid, I'm insulting your behavior,
1:02:28
Speaker 1: not your intelligence. I'm suggesting that you are smarter than
1:02:33
Speaker 1: you are acting. And I think that that's shameful. There's
1:02:36
Speaker 1: no shame in having a handicap. You can't choose that,
1:02:42
Speaker 1: and you can't do anything about that, and you know
1:02:45
Speaker 1: you can only try to mitigate its effects. But if
1:02:49
Speaker 1: you act handicapped when you're not, that should be embarrassing.
1:02:57
Speaker 1: But so where we are now in this we are
1:03:02
Speaker 1: looking at believe let's see. Yeah, this is review and
1:03:12
Speaker 1: update content moderation policies, processes and systems and audit and
1:03:17
Speaker 1: mitigate misogyny and AI based systems. So the first thing
1:03:22
Speaker 1: I thought of is are they worried about Grock being
1:03:26
Speaker 1: misogynist or what? And the first thing that they've said
1:03:31
Speaker 1: here they've introduced is this this first paragraph, which is
1:03:37
Speaker 1: very vague and didn't make any sense. The first sentence
1:03:39
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense to me until I looked it up. Right.
1:03:42
Speaker 1: Legislative frameworks, they say, have identified the need for user
1:03:45
Speaker 1: agency and empowerment and started requiring platforms to be more
1:03:49
Speaker 1: accountable and transparent about their design and policies. So what
1:03:53
Speaker 1: the heck is the legislative framework? I understand, for instance,
1:04:00
Speaker 1: wors legislative bodies would be say Congress in the United States,
1:04:07
Speaker 1: Parliament in other parliamentary systems, and and in course in dictatorships.
1:04:13
Speaker 1: It's all the same, like if the king runs everything,
1:04:16
Speaker 1: the king is the legislative body and the executive. But
1:04:21
Speaker 1: what the fuck is legislative framework? Because when I think
1:04:26
Speaker 1: of a framework, I think of a set of rules,
1:04:29
Speaker 1: a set of conditions that that that determine a particular
1:04:36
Speaker 1: factor or issue. So I looked, I did a Google
1:04:43
Speaker 1: search here, and of course Google's AI overview gave me
1:04:48
Speaker 1: a definition which looks interesting and it it came from
1:04:55
Speaker 1: sites that seemed to be well, we'll ignore YouTube, Natural
1:05:02
Speaker 1: Resource Government Governance Institute and this exs here which if
1:05:11
Speaker 1: we look this is this came up easier before. But
1:05:22
Speaker 1: we'll give that a minute, right, Legislative framework is a
1:05:26
Speaker 1: comprehensive system of laws, regulation, and legal principles that governs
1:05:30
Speaker 1: a specific area or issue within a country, state, or organization.
1:05:34
Speaker 1: So it's not the legislative body, it's the body and
1:05:39
Speaker 1: the existing laws, the existing regulations and the principles on
1:05:45
Speaker 1: which they are acting and the importance of that is
1:05:49
Speaker 1: in the United States and in several other first world nations,
1:05:53
Speaker 1: there is this legal principle upon which a huge amount
1:06:00
Speaker 1: is determined called feminist juris prudence. And let's see feminist jurisprudence, which,
1:06:12
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not just countries like the United
1:06:16
Speaker 1: States and the UK. Countries that have traditionally been thought
1:06:19
Speaker 1: of as in between first and third world, which many
1:06:23
Speaker 1: of which are our first world with some third world
1:06:27
Speaker 1: conditions like India, still have a significant infection of feminist
1:06:34
Speaker 1: jurisprudence in their legal systems. But feminist jurisprudence or feminist
1:06:38
Speaker 1: legal theory analyzes law from the perspective of women's political, economic,
1:06:44
Speaker 1: and social experiences. So it is essentially legal or legislative
1:06:50
Speaker 1: or policy based ginocentrism. It is putting women first in
1:06:57
Speaker 1: law policy and you know, regulations and and and also
1:07:04
Speaker 1: in the justice system in jurisprudence. So if you walk
1:07:08
Speaker 1: into a court you get an advantage just by being
1:07:12
Speaker 1: female starting out, that would be that would be feminist jurisprudence.
1:07:18
Speaker 1: And that is a of course, it's not coming up. Now,
1:07:25
Speaker 1: I wonder what the heck is going on with that site.
1:07:29
Speaker 1: So initially I had looked this up. But it's an
1:07:35
Speaker 1: intelligence hub. It's essentially a communications hub for a variety
1:07:43
Speaker 1: of organizations. So this is sort of a consensus website.
1:07:49
Speaker 1: So this legislative framework that considers, like the the things
1:07:56
Speaker 1: that are influenced by legal principles, and then the legal
1:08:00
Speaker 1: principles themselves governing a specific area or issue. It works
1:08:05
Speaker 1: as a blueprint. So when they say legislative frameworks have identified,
1:08:11
Speaker 1: what they are saying is the blueprint we are currently using,
1:08:16
Speaker 1: which is to say, our current, guyinocentric blueprint. So the
1:08:21
Speaker 1: interpretation of this as I'm reading it is modern feminist
1:08:29
Speaker 1: jurisprudence based systems have identified the need for user agency
1:08:37
Speaker 1: and empowerment. Starting started requiring platforms would be more accountable
1:08:41
Speaker 1: and transparent in their design and policies. User agency in
1:08:46
Speaker 1: this context then would mean women's ability to control who
1:08:53
Speaker 1: can talk to them and how they can be spoken to.
1:08:57
Speaker 1: That is essentially what this is about. And then the
1:09:00
Speaker 1: first thing it mentions Australia's Online Safety Act twenty twenty one,
1:09:05
Speaker 1: which refers to basic online safety expectations which require platforms
1:09:10
Speaker 1: to put in place clear and readily identifiable mechanisms that
1:09:14
Speaker 1: enable users to report and make complaints about content, as
1:09:18
Speaker 1: well as terms of use, policies and procedures. So this
1:09:24
Speaker 1: is essentially what they are saying here is, you know,
1:09:30
Speaker 1: modern feminist jurisprudence requires that we impose upon social media,
1:09:40
Speaker 1: various social media websites, an obligation to give women tools
1:09:45
Speaker 1: to silence other people if women don't like what those
1:09:48
Speaker 1: other people are saying. That's essentially what you and women
1:09:54
Speaker 1: have asked for. So if you're if you happened to
1:10:00
Speaker 1: be an anti feminist, or if you happen to be
1:10:03
Speaker 1: a men's rights activist or both, because I'm both, and
1:10:09
Speaker 1: there's there's quite a bit of overlap there in motivation,
1:10:14
Speaker 1: then they want the right to tell you to shut
1:10:18
Speaker 1: the fuck up. They want the right to get you
1:10:21
Speaker 1: suspended for your political opinions. So the first thing they
1:10:28
Speaker 1: mentioned Harassment Manager, developed by Google's Jigsaw. So I didn't
1:10:34
Speaker 1: know what. I never heard of this Jigsaw thing.
1:10:36
Speaker 3: Right.
1:10:37
Speaker 1: Harassment Manager, it says, is an open source codebase for
1:10:41
Speaker 1: web application that allows users to document and manage abuse
1:10:45
Speaker 1: targeted then targeted at them. On social media, starting with X,
1:10:51
Speaker 1: who partnered on the project. Now, I haven't heard of this.
1:10:54
Speaker 1: I've been using X since it was Twitter. In fact,
1:10:57
Speaker 1: i've been using I was using Twitter since two thousand nine,
1:11:01
Speaker 1: and I never heard of this system. Nobody came to
1:11:03
Speaker 1: me and said, hey, you can use our harassment manager.
1:11:06
Speaker 1: Twitter is partnered with it, so apparently if they're doing this,
1:11:12
Speaker 1: they're not making it user controlled. And essentially this is
1:11:20
Speaker 1: intended to allow users to keep track of abuse targeting
1:11:28
Speaker 1: them on social media. The tool intends to help users
1:11:33
Speaker 1: identify and document harmful post muter, block perpetrators of harassment,
1:11:37
Speaker 1: and hide harassing replies to their own tweets. Now X
1:11:41
Speaker 1: does some of that, right you You can actually if
1:11:47
Speaker 1: you make a post and it's you're the op and
1:11:51
Speaker 1: not posting a comment under someone else's op. You can
1:11:55
Speaker 1: select who can reply, but you can't just exclude one person.
1:12:02
Speaker 1: You can decide that people who follow, people you follow
1:12:05
Speaker 1: can reply, nobody can reply, people with a check mark
1:12:09
Speaker 1: can reply, or everybody can reply. You don't get everybody
1:12:15
Speaker 1: except for at takes down MRAs can reply right for instance,
1:12:21
Speaker 1: or got I can't hear her name? The one that
1:12:23
Speaker 1: we used, to every time she replied, we would post
1:12:27
Speaker 1: a picture of Gladys from Bewitched, But no, she was
1:12:37
Speaker 1: this is crazy lady on Twitter that for the longest time.
1:12:41
Speaker 3: She was Oh, she had mice.
1:12:45
Speaker 1: She was obsessed with Deborah Pawnee in every place that
1:12:50
Speaker 1: and she was also obsessed with Alison. Every place that
1:12:52
Speaker 1: either one of them posted, she was in their replies,
1:12:55
Speaker 1: And eventually we all like blocked her and she started
1:13:00
Speaker 1: tagging us in her posts. She would tag this whole
1:13:05
Speaker 1: set of us. I was included in the set, unfortunately,
1:13:09
Speaker 1: and she'd make these posts and then people would get
1:13:11
Speaker 1: into arguments with her and we would be flooded with
1:13:14
Speaker 1: replies from these And so it was nice when X
1:13:18
Speaker 1: allowed people to just leave the conversation where you could
1:13:22
Speaker 1: click leave the conversation and mute the conversation and you
1:13:24
Speaker 1: don't get any more replies. Gladys from Bewitched was the
1:13:30
Speaker 1: neighbor that used to spy on the family to try
1:13:34
Speaker 1: to prove you know that they were witches. So for
1:13:40
Speaker 1: for anybody, that's an old TV show, So for the
1:13:44
Speaker 1: Gen xers, they'll know it. Millennials might know from the
1:13:50
Speaker 1: movie that was made, but zoomers are gonna have no
1:13:54
Speaker 1: clue who I'm talking about. If you look up Bewitched,
1:13:57
Speaker 1: it was. It was just an old TV show from
1:14:00
Speaker 1: I think the sixties. So anyway, and the lead actress
1:14:05
Speaker 1: on that show, by the way, did an episode of
1:14:08
Speaker 1: The Twilight Zone with Charles Bronson where she played a
1:14:14
Speaker 1: Russian soldier and he played an American soldier or a
1:14:17
Speaker 1: British soldier or something, and and they there had been
1:14:22
Speaker 1: World War three and everything was completely gone, completely destroyed,
1:14:28
Speaker 1: and they were the only people left in the world.
1:14:30
Speaker 1: And a great episode. So just just an aside there.
1:14:34
Speaker 3: That was the true That was the true origin of
1:14:37
Speaker 3: the Mary Sue, just having a female character who could
1:14:40
Speaker 3: do absolutely anything and yet has no real agency. Yeah,
1:14:47
Speaker 3: it comes to the to the moral of the story.
1:14:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that would be which not the not the
1:14:54
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone episode, because women on the Twilight Zone did
1:14:56
Speaker 1: have some agency, and there were some episodes that really
1:14:59
Speaker 1: showed that. But yeah, so all this stuff, there's stuff
1:15:05
Speaker 1: you can see that they're doing here that can be
1:15:07
Speaker 1: traced back to this, but clearly nobody told us about this.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: The code is available on GitHub open source for developers
1:15:17
Speaker 1: and non governmental organizations to build and adapt for free,
1:15:20
Speaker 1: so you can actually see this being used on other websites,
1:15:24
Speaker 1: other social media, and essentially all of the ways that
1:15:29
Speaker 1: you can report someone. And yes, mang Gotka ninety two,
1:15:34
Speaker 1: that is exactly what Nattie is doing in regard to
1:15:36
Speaker 1: Brian's posts. I'm about to start every time I see
1:15:39
Speaker 1: her show up in a conversation, I'm in posting that
1:15:42
Speaker 1: picture again because that is basically what's what's happening. And yes,
1:15:48
Speaker 1: Samantha from be which John Doe is the nose wiggle Woman.
1:15:51
Speaker 1: She would wiggle her nose and uh it would cast
1:15:54
Speaker 1: a spell. She didn't have to actually say any words,
1:15:56
Speaker 1: so people didn't know she was casting spells, but she
1:16:02
Speaker 1: did face consequences. It's just it wasn't necessarily always direct.
1:16:06
Speaker 1: Things would go horribly wrong. It's the same trope that
1:16:10
Speaker 1: this goes back to vaudeville. The trope is you're you
1:16:15
Speaker 1: have a goal or a thing that you want, or
1:16:17
Speaker 1: a problem that you're trying to solve, but everything that
1:16:20
Speaker 1: you do makes it worse until the end of the
1:16:24
Speaker 1: show or the episode, when everything gets all wrapped up
1:16:27
Speaker 1: by some problem solving thing that undoes all of the
1:16:31
Speaker 1: damage that you did. Or most of it, UH, and
1:16:35
Speaker 1: that that's that's not new, it's it's eons ago. It's
1:16:40
Speaker 1: probably probably goes back to ancient Greek tragedies and so on.
1:16:46
Speaker 1: But it's the main formula used UH in comedy. For
1:16:53
Speaker 1: first sitcoms in the United States. Pretty much, you name
1:16:57
Speaker 1: a sitcom, that's the formula. And some people have been
1:17:03
Speaker 1: stellar at it. Like Lucille Ball for instance, that her
1:17:07
Speaker 1: sitcom was stellar at it. That's so Raven was stellar
1:17:12
Speaker 1: at it. Friends was stellar at it. Seinfeld stellar at it.
1:17:18
Speaker 1: They're just different, and those sitcoms stood out because of that,
1:17:22
Speaker 1: but very different. Like there's there's a lot of sitcoms
1:17:27
Speaker 1: that they don't do the work and so it doesn't
1:17:29
Speaker 1: stand out, but they still skate by because that trope
1:17:34
Speaker 1: is always entertaining, even when it's done poorly. So it's
1:17:39
Speaker 1: the easy bet basically in any case. Back to this,
1:17:45
Speaker 1: what we're seeing here basically is this coordinated attack on
1:17:54
Speaker 1: the ability of people to argue on social media, to
1:17:58
Speaker 1: hash out ideas in a thought provoking and a method
1:18:08
Speaker 1: that hones ideas down to what are wise choices good
1:18:12
Speaker 1: ideas as opposed to poor choices or bad ideas. There
1:18:16
Speaker 1: you go night motorcyclists married with children stood out because
1:18:19
Speaker 1: it was stellar at this as well. And yeah, every
1:18:23
Speaker 1: man can relate to al Bundy, not every women. Women
1:18:29
Speaker 1: can relate to the women in the show, though some
1:18:31
Speaker 1: of us relate more to al Bundy than any other
1:18:34
Speaker 1: women in that show. But we all know those women
1:18:39
Speaker 1: in real life in any case, So we're seeing a
1:18:44
Speaker 1: coordinated attack on your ability as a man to defend
1:18:48
Speaker 1: yourself against. Say feminist comes out and says all men
1:18:51
Speaker 1: are bad because or ninety nine percent. They give different
1:18:56
Speaker 1: numbers of violent crime is male perpetrated, and they'll give
1:19:02
Speaker 1: you conviction statistics or crime reporting statistics from like, they
1:19:08
Speaker 1: don't count all the crimes that are reported. They count
1:19:12
Speaker 1: all the crimes that the police acted on in crime
1:19:16
Speaker 1: reports statistics, so the the crimes that the police then
1:19:22
Speaker 1: made a case file for. And also well ninety nine
1:19:26
Speaker 1: percent of those or ninety seven percent of those are
1:19:28
Speaker 1: male perpetrated. Well, the big problem with.
1:19:32
Speaker 3: That is.
1:19:35
Speaker 1: When you do the math on what percentage of the population,
1:19:38
Speaker 1: the adult male population is represented by perpetration of violent
1:19:43
Speaker 1: crimes as as determined by those crime reports. So essentially
1:19:51
Speaker 1: the idea that crime if we took all those reports
1:19:54
Speaker 1: as valid and then also supposed that crime is underreported
1:19:58
Speaker 1: by a certain percent, and then added that percent in
1:20:01
Speaker 1: and said this many violent crimes occurred, according to the
1:20:05
Speaker 1: math that I just described, less than one percent of
1:20:13
Speaker 1: the population, something like three tenths of one percent of
1:20:18
Speaker 1: the adult male population, or at least the male population
1:20:20
Speaker 1: that can be charged as an adult for committing such
1:20:23
Speaker 1: a crime, is actually accounted for by perpetrators or potential
1:20:30
Speaker 1: perpetrators of violent crimes. So the other ninety nine point
1:20:36
Speaker 1: seven percent is represented by the number of people who
1:20:41
Speaker 1: have never committed a violent crime. And if you argue
1:20:47
Speaker 1: that and a feminist is offended because she was a
1:20:50
Speaker 1: violent crime victim, she can report you for harassing her.
1:20:56
Speaker 1: And I know this because I've been in that argument,
1:21:00
Speaker 1: and I had a feminist using her claim to be
1:21:06
Speaker 1: a rape victim and have had an experience as a
1:21:08
Speaker 1: rape victim. Her allegations against the general male public and
1:21:14
Speaker 1: her allegations against the police that they don't do anything
1:21:18
Speaker 1: about this problem, that men don't care about this problem,
1:21:20
Speaker 1: that rape is prevalent and most men are rapists, because
1:21:26
Speaker 1: such a percentage of rape is perpetrated by men, and
1:21:29
Speaker 1: so on. When I pointed out my experiences in which
1:21:34
Speaker 1: the police do everything they can for you, but they
1:21:37
Speaker 1: do need evidence to prove that the crime was committed,
1:21:43
Speaker 1: that was considered harassment. Just saying that I had a
1:21:46
Speaker 1: different experience with being victimized and how the police and
1:21:53
Speaker 1: the people around me have responded to it. That was
1:21:55
Speaker 1: considered harassment of this woman. And I was suspended for
1:22:00
Speaker 1: twelve hours for saying that's not what happened in my
1:22:03
Speaker 1: case and providing statistics that demonstrate that the majority of
1:22:09
Speaker 1: men are not perpetrators and that it is unfair to
1:22:13
Speaker 1: call all men potential rapists When less than three percent
1:22:19
Speaker 1: of the population or less than three tenths of one
1:22:23
Speaker 1: percent of the population is represented by all violent crime perpetration,
1:22:30
Speaker 1: that's harassment, right. But if I had spoken first and
1:22:38
Speaker 1: which which is what actually happened, and then reported her
1:22:42
Speaker 1: for harassment because she brought up sex crimes, the conversation,
1:22:46
Speaker 1: by the way, was not about sex crimes because I'm
1:22:50
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the political fens. That's not harassment.
1:22:58
Speaker 1: Even though being a being in a survivor myself, I
1:23:02
Speaker 1: don't really like hearing about sex crimes like I talk
1:23:05
Speaker 1: about the situation, the subjects and everything, because it's needed.
1:23:10
Speaker 1: There's a lot of exploitation of the subject to push
1:23:17
Speaker 1: through attacks on due process rights and attacks on other
1:23:21
Speaker 1: civil rights, and that's wrong. But and it has to
1:23:28
Speaker 1: be talked about otherwise it'll just happen and it'll be
1:23:33
Speaker 1: too late after the fact to undo that stuff. It's
1:23:36
Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to undo bad laws than it
1:23:39
Speaker 1: is to stop them from being passed in the first place.
1:23:43
Speaker 1: But but yeah, So this is their their idea of
1:23:48
Speaker 1: testing a tool for for gender based violence. All these
1:23:52
Speaker 1: different platforms based on feminist jurisprudence as a as a
1:24:00
Speaker 1: legal principle that governs this area or issue. All these
1:24:05
Speaker 1: different platforms are obligated to give women the ability to
1:24:10
Speaker 1: shut you up when they make negative stereotype characterizations of
1:24:16
Speaker 1: men as a population, because you know, women's feelings might
1:24:23
Speaker 1: be hurt if you prove them wrong. You guys still there.
1:24:33
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm eating while I listen.
1:24:35
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's how they plan on doing this. The
1:24:40
Speaker 1: first thing is again enhancing cross platform cooperation. Platforms they
1:24:45
Speaker 1: say should recognize that what occurs on other platforms may
1:24:50
Speaker 1: make its way to their own service and vice versa.
1:24:53
Speaker 1: This is not only true of TVEC, which is technology.
1:25:03
Speaker 1: Something like this is they they've used TFOGBV to say
1:25:11
Speaker 1: technology facilitated online gender based violence, So this is probably
1:25:16
Speaker 1: a technology technological violence and then some other bullshit, but
1:25:24
Speaker 1: also of the actors and tactics of online gender based violence.
1:25:31
Speaker 1: Online harassment campaigns targeting and individual may be coordinated on
1:25:35
Speaker 1: one platform, with the content or URLs to this content
1:25:40
Speaker 1: cross posted to other platforms where the targeted users may
1:25:44
Speaker 1: or may not have accounts. So an example of what
1:25:48
Speaker 1: they're talking about well known example. This happened years ago,
1:25:53
Speaker 1: and consequences have never been the same. There was this
1:25:57
Speaker 1: kid eleven years old that was a fan of a
1:26:03
Speaker 1: local I don't even know what kind of music the
1:26:07
Speaker 1: guy played, but some people in four chan decided that
1:26:11
Speaker 1: this musician was a peto, and they decided they were
1:26:16
Speaker 1: going to prove it by demonstrating how many of his
1:26:20
Speaker 1: fans were underage, which is really kind of stupid because
1:26:26
Speaker 1: most musicians have underage fans. People start enjoying music when
1:26:30
Speaker 1: they're very young, and they really get excited about music
1:26:36
Speaker 1: in like junior high and high school and start wanting
1:26:38
Speaker 1: to go to concerts. And stuff like that. And of
1:26:42
Speaker 1: course at those ages, you know want you want to
1:26:46
Speaker 1: be involved in what your kids are doing. So smart
1:26:50
Speaker 1: parents do not send their children to any type of concert,
1:26:53
Speaker 1: musical concert, or performance without an adult chaperone, because crazy
1:27:01
Speaker 1: things happen at concerts. But of course, yeah, this, this, uh,
1:27:10
Speaker 1: this doesn't always pan out for local musicians. And so
1:27:14
Speaker 1: this this young lady, young girl, eleven year old Jesse
1:27:18
Speaker 1: Slaughter was a fan of this local musician and she
1:27:22
Speaker 1: would she would go to all of his concerts that
1:27:25
Speaker 1: she could go to and got a picture taken with
1:27:28
Speaker 1: him and put it on her social media and four
1:27:30
Speaker 1: Chan found it and used it to smear the guy.
1:27:35
Speaker 1: And she responded that there was no such relationship happening,
1:27:40
Speaker 1: that she was just a fan. That's that's silly. Cut
1:27:43
Speaker 1: it out, you know, pretty pretty tame stuff. At on
1:27:47
Speaker 1: the outset, the individuals that were uh in this conversation
1:27:53
Speaker 1: decided to start trolling her as a result of this,
1:27:58
Speaker 1: right uh and and and it escalated when she made
1:28:05
Speaker 1: a YouTube video calling them out for the trolling and
1:28:09
Speaker 1: the the idiocy. And she acted like an eleven year
1:28:16
Speaker 1: old girl, So she made a bunch of empty threats
1:28:20
Speaker 1: and uh got you know, graphic with her descriptions of
1:28:24
Speaker 1: violence and you know, basically stupid ships ship that kids
1:28:28
Speaker 1: do with the playground, like you might tell somebody you're
1:28:31
Speaker 1: gonna rip their head off. She threatened to throw to
1:28:35
Speaker 1: to get a glock and uh uh blow their brains out.
1:28:40
Speaker 1: I think she used the phrase brain slushy and that
1:28:44
Speaker 1: that set of you know, trolls or trolls that set
1:28:47
Speaker 1: off the trolls. So they went ballistic and they docked her,
1:28:52
Speaker 1: and they went through a process of everything from vandalizing
1:28:56
Speaker 1: and destroying her social media to sending things to her house,
1:29:01
Speaker 1: calling her home phone. The family actually had to send
1:29:05
Speaker 1: her someplace else for for a time like it. It
1:29:10
Speaker 1: really was over the top. And the thing that made
1:29:17
Speaker 1: it worse was when they started doing this, her father
1:29:22
Speaker 1: got on her YouTube account and made a video lecturing
1:29:28
Speaker 1: them with a bunch of empty threats, and some of
1:29:32
Speaker 1: those became that these are memes that again, gen x
1:29:35
Speaker 1: will know these memes, Millennials will probably know these memes.
1:29:38
Speaker 1: Zumer's probably never heard of. Consequences will never be the same,
1:29:42
Speaker 1: which is one of the things he said. He threatened
1:29:45
Speaker 1: to send a cyber police after them, which you know,
1:29:48
Speaker 1: everybody knows didn't exist, and and so on, like there
1:29:53
Speaker 1: are a bunch of things that came out of that
1:29:56
Speaker 1: and that that set them off even more. But the
1:29:59
Speaker 1: reality is the parents just didn't realize, didn't recognize that
1:30:05
Speaker 1: you shouldn't let your kid be on the internet unsupervised.
1:30:11
Speaker 1: Your eleven year old should not be making unsupervised YouTube
1:30:14
Speaker 1: videos and honestly shouldn't be putting his or her face
1:30:20
Speaker 1: out there on YouTube because there are not just trolls,
1:30:25
Speaker 1: there's also predators and so on, and it's just it
1:30:32
Speaker 1: escalated into something absolutely ridiculous and I think it impacted
1:30:38
Speaker 1: her life pretty heavily. That is something that has happened
1:30:45
Speaker 1: throughout the history of the Internet. As long as there's
1:30:48
Speaker 1: been a web, worldwide Web, and as long as there's
1:30:51
Speaker 1: been discussion forums, that kind of thing has happened. And
1:30:58
Speaker 1: I guess you could call swatting and outcropping of that.
1:31:04
Speaker 1: But in any case, so that's a that's a real issue.
1:31:07
Speaker 1: It's not not denying that that's an issue. What I
1:31:10
Speaker 1: am suggesting is this is not a good way to
1:31:14
Speaker 1: handle it.
1:31:15
Speaker 3: Right.
1:31:18
Speaker 1: For one thing, not everybody involved in that harassment campaign
1:31:24
Speaker 1: was from the US, right, that's there. A site like
1:31:29
Speaker 1: four chan has traffic from every English speaking country in
1:31:34
Speaker 1: the world, and so it's not like you can call
1:31:38
Speaker 1: the cops and report to them that someone in Australia
1:31:44
Speaker 1: is harassing you if you're from some state in the US. Right,
1:31:49
Speaker 1: we all know that, and so you don't poke a
1:31:53
Speaker 1: hornet's nest like that. But if something like that happens,
1:32:00
Speaker 1: you can hold the people in your own country accountable.
1:32:03
Speaker 1: The singer in question, which people who have said the
1:32:07
Speaker 1: name and the comments and everything. I'm not going to
1:32:09
Speaker 1: go that far, but if he was really concerned about
1:32:14
Speaker 1: his reputation being damaged and stuff like that, all he
1:32:17
Speaker 1: had to do was go through and identify people from
1:32:20
Speaker 1: the US who were involved in that and sue them
1:32:24
Speaker 1: for defamation. You know, it's like that there was really
1:32:28
Speaker 1: something going on that put him in danger. Otherwise, the
1:32:33
Speaker 1: best thing to do in a circumstance like that is
1:32:36
Speaker 1: to ignore it and it goes away. They're not gonna
1:32:40
Speaker 1: do it if it's not fun, like they can see
1:32:43
Speaker 1: anything they want, and if nothing comes of it, if
1:32:47
Speaker 1: they don't get any kind of feed back from you,
1:32:51
Speaker 1: like a narcissistic feed there's most trolls are a little narcissistic.
1:32:57
Speaker 1: That doesn't work for them, and they quit, They go
1:33:01
Speaker 1: somewhere else, They look for that feed somewhere else. What
1:33:08
Speaker 1: do they want? Instead, platforms should develop and operate exchange
1:33:15
Speaker 1: channels between relevant teams, including safety and content moderation teams
1:33:22
Speaker 1: like Trust and Safety to proactively share information about cross
1:33:27
Speaker 1: platform harassment, such as perpetrators using multiple accounts, including where
1:33:32
Speaker 1: relevant user reports of multi platform harassment. So, for instance,
1:33:37
Speaker 1: during the gamer Gate controversy, some websites banned the hashtag
1:33:45
Speaker 1: and any conversation about the consumer revolt. You couldn't talk
1:33:51
Speaker 1: about it, you couldn't post information about it, and you
1:33:56
Speaker 1: couldn't post memes about it. So it was kind of
1:34:02
Speaker 1: limited to Twitter at the time. You didn't really see
1:34:06
Speaker 1: there was a little bit on YouTube. There's a little
1:34:09
Speaker 1: bit maybe taking place on Facebook. I think four Chan
1:34:13
Speaker 1: completely banned it, which is funny because that used to
1:34:16
Speaker 1: be the place to go to discuss things that you
1:34:18
Speaker 1: couldn't discuss anywhere else. There were other platforms that banned
1:34:22
Speaker 1: as well. But under this system that they want to create,
1:34:33
Speaker 1: all these different social media platforms would circle the wagons
1:34:38
Speaker 1: because the opposition to the consumer revolt was using the
1:34:46
Speaker 1: false allegation that the entire result or the entire revolt
1:34:51
Speaker 1: was just an active harassment some programmer's ex girlfriend to
1:34:59
Speaker 1: try to silence it. That would be able to silence
1:35:02
Speaker 1: it on all platforms. You wouldn't be able to talk
1:35:05
Speaker 1: about advertising being disguised as real news stories because that
1:35:12
Speaker 1: would be part of the harassment campaign against this girl.
1:35:16
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be able to talk about contests being rigged
1:35:21
Speaker 1: because that would be part of the harassment campaign against
1:35:24
Speaker 1: this girl. You wouldn't be able to talk about any
1:35:27
Speaker 1: kind of pay for play journalism, right because that was
1:35:34
Speaker 1: part of the harassment campaign pain against this girl didn't
1:35:37
Speaker 1: have anything to do with her, like she exposed it
1:35:40
Speaker 1: by accident, but other than that, it didn't really have
1:35:43
Speaker 1: anything to do with her. But she was more than
1:35:49
Speaker 1: willing to capitalize on it for attention and to be
1:35:56
Speaker 1: used as a means of silencing people who are having
1:35:59
Speaker 1: that discus session.
1:36:01
Speaker 3: As they say, free speech ends where where my fist
1:36:06
Speaker 3: meets your nose, but it doesn't end where this bitches
1:36:11
Speaker 3: vagina meets my nose or something like that.
1:36:17
Speaker 1: Horrible experience.
1:36:20
Speaker 3: It was a horrible experience, but that's what. As soon
1:36:23
Speaker 3: as a woman gets involved, Oh, her fist can go
1:36:26
Speaker 3: wherever the fuck it likes, including up her vage, and
1:36:30
Speaker 3: then write up your nose. Let this be a lesson.
1:36:34
Speaker 3: Is a gentlemen, and especially gentlemen, you may think you
1:36:37
Speaker 3: have free speech until you give women the vote, and
1:36:41
Speaker 3: then they'll stick their pussy up your nose. However the
1:36:45
Speaker 3: fuck that works, So yeah, don't don't give women the vote,
1:36:49
Speaker 3: all this ship will happen.
1:36:52
Speaker 1: Just imagine, right, just imagine today, if you're on Twitter
1:36:57
Speaker 1: X and you wanted to talk about you know, what
1:37:01
Speaker 1: can we do to protect public speakers from what happened
1:37:05
Speaker 1: to Charlie Kirk from being assassinated in public for talking
1:37:11
Speaker 1: about ordinary things because everything he talked about was pretty ordinary, right,
1:37:17
Speaker 1: And somebody was able to say, you can't say that,
1:37:21
Speaker 1: you can't talk about that because the alleged assassin was
1:37:29
Speaker 1: revealed to be a gay man dating and a pre
1:37:33
Speaker 1: trans transition trans woman, and therefore it's transphobic for you
1:37:40
Speaker 1: to use the word assassination to describe the death of
1:37:43
Speaker 1: this man, and it's transphobic for you to be upset
1:37:46
Speaker 1: that he was assassinated. So imagine if you couldn't have
1:37:51
Speaker 1: that conversation because it might offend the assassin or the
1:38:00
Speaker 1: assassin's girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever the individual is identifying as. That
1:38:09
Speaker 1: would be about as rational and logical as saying that
1:38:13
Speaker 1: you can't discuss the idea that you should be told
1:38:20
Speaker 1: an ad is an AD and not be told that
1:38:23
Speaker 1: it is a legit news story because you're offending some
1:38:31
Speaker 1: chick that was accused of sleeping with journalists to get
1:38:36
Speaker 1: favorable coverage for her work. It doesn't even matter if
1:38:40
Speaker 1: she really did it or not. It's not related. None
1:38:44
Speaker 1: of that is related, and it doesn't make that subject
1:38:48
Speaker 1: off limits. It shouldn't make that subject off limits. But
1:38:51
Speaker 1: that's the equivalent that they want, So what they want.
1:38:57
Speaker 1: Platforms need to develop interoperable reporting mechanisms. You should be
1:39:02
Speaker 1: able to report to a inter platform government basically that
1:39:12
Speaker 1: governs Facebook and x and Reddit and YouTube any other
1:39:21
Speaker 1: social media platform. Should be able to report to that
1:39:26
Speaker 1: inter platform government that somebody harassed you on platform A,
1:39:31
Speaker 1: and that individual should be affected on platforms b CD,
1:39:34
Speaker 1: e FG all the way through the alphabet Exchange channels
1:39:45
Speaker 1: may facilitate faster action. For example, when a prominent actor
1:39:49
Speaker 1: is identified to be linked to repeated harmful behavior. You
1:39:52
Speaker 1: get banned on X for bothering somebody on X, you
1:39:56
Speaker 1: are also banned on every other social media platform. Such
1:40:02
Speaker 1: efforts are important for understanding the scope and nature of
1:40:05
Speaker 1: online gendermased violence, but also to coordinate mitigation actions by
1:40:11
Speaker 1: platforms and other stakeholders, including governments, civil society, or even
1:40:15
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Get into the wrong argument on X and
1:40:21
Speaker 1: the cops show up at your door. Why are you
1:40:25
Speaker 1: harassing gladys? How dare you have conversations without including her?
1:40:34
Speaker 1: And how dare you mock her with pictures of her?
1:40:37
Speaker 1: Her character un bewitched every time she shows up in
1:40:43
Speaker 1: a conversation uninvited? What is wrong with you? You're under arrest?
1:40:51
Speaker 1: Then this is an interesting bit, right This was published
1:40:54
Speaker 1: two years ago. Already existing cross platform effort and crisis
1:41:01
Speaker 1: protocols such as the Global Internet Forum to counter Terrorism's
1:41:07
Speaker 1: Content Incident Protocol and the christ Church Call Crisis Response Protocol.
1:41:13
Speaker 1: So these are two protocols that involve social media reporting
1:41:22
Speaker 1: to them and then them assessing these reports and reporting
1:41:27
Speaker 1: back to social media. What they should be doing should
1:41:32
Speaker 1: consider how online gender based violence is relevant to their
1:41:36
Speaker 1: scope and mandates, and how to strengthen mechanisms appropriately, which
1:41:45
Speaker 1: means they want these cross platform efforts and crisis protocols
1:41:53
Speaker 1: to be able to tell various owners or founders of
1:42:00
Speaker 1: areas social media, so maybe gab.
1:42:07
Speaker 3: Or truth.
1:42:10
Speaker 1: Or any of the other alternative platforms rumble. They want
1:42:17
Speaker 1: to be able to tell them what rules have to
1:42:20
Speaker 1: apply to their users. Relevant voluntary commitments or coregulatory framework
1:42:31
Speaker 1: work should also be reviewed. It says, oh, I skipped
1:42:38
Speaker 1: something here recognizing misogyny is a radicalization factor for violent extremism.
1:42:43
Speaker 1: So here's the that's actually kind of the meat of
1:42:45
Speaker 1: this right here. They want essentially to be able to
1:42:51
Speaker 1: label all anti feminist speech and all speech that women
1:42:55
Speaker 1: take offense at which there's a lot of overlap, but
1:42:59
Speaker 1: it's not all the same. They want to be able
1:43:01
Speaker 1: to take that and use it as a speech that
1:43:06
Speaker 1: can be controlled, speech that has to be controlled, and
1:43:09
Speaker 1: an excuse to block you from speaking, so they don't
1:43:15
Speaker 1: even have to say, for instance, you can't talk about
1:43:20
Speaker 1: the fact that this ad that you read was presented
1:43:28
Speaker 1: as if it was a legit news story, and you
1:43:31
Speaker 1: think that the ad should be identified as an ad
1:43:34
Speaker 1: instead of presenting it as a legit news story. It
1:43:38
Speaker 1: doesn't have to even be associated with Quinn. All they
1:43:44
Speaker 1: have to do is take the shortcut. It's misogynistic to
1:43:50
Speaker 1: talk about anything that has to do with the game
1:43:54
Speaker 1: or gate protest because it traces back to information that
1:44:02
Speaker 1: was revealed by this woman's infidelity. And you can't talk
1:44:07
Speaker 1: about a woman's infidelity, and therefore everything connected to this
1:44:12
Speaker 1: woman's infidelity is off limits. Discussing it as misogynistic. If
1:44:18
Speaker 1: you talk about any of these subjects, you are engaging
1:44:21
Speaker 1: in online misogyny. Now, let's translate that to discussion of, say,
1:44:29
Speaker 1: the Russia conspiracy theory that the Democrats put out to
1:44:34
Speaker 1: try to stop Trump from becoming president of the United States.
1:44:39
Speaker 1: That Russian conspiracy theory traces back to Hillary Clinton's infidelity
1:44:46
Speaker 1: to the United States, where she took risks that people
1:44:53
Speaker 1: in her political position are not allowed to take and
1:44:57
Speaker 1: then used allegations of misogyny to cover for that. Oh,
1:45:01
Speaker 1: you're only upset about this because I'm a woman. You
1:45:05
Speaker 1: just don't think women can handle positions of authority. You
1:45:11
Speaker 1: put sensitive information on an insecure server and then thirty
1:45:20
Speaker 1: thousand pieces of it disappeared. We don't know which one
1:45:25
Speaker 1: this contained. Information that could harm the country because they're gone,
1:45:32
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're only upset about that because I'm a woman.
1:45:37
Speaker 1: So under what they're trying to do here, any effort
1:45:44
Speaker 1: to debunk the Russian conspiracy theory, which turned out to
1:45:48
Speaker 1: be completely invented by the Hillary Clinton campaign, by the way,
1:45:53
Speaker 1: complete and utter fraud. Any discussion of that fraud would
1:46:00
Speaker 1: be silenced on social media. You couldn't argue about it,
1:46:03
Speaker 1: you couldn't talk about it, you couldn't share evidence. Even
1:46:07
Speaker 1: news outlets that reported on it their stories, their news
1:46:10
Speaker 1: stories couldn't be shared on social media. You couldn't inform
1:46:18
Speaker 1: people about it. Your vote could not be informed by
1:46:23
Speaker 1: that information because misogyny, right, think.
1:46:32
Speaker 2: You just hate women.
1:46:34
Speaker 4: No, it's not the actions of one specific woman that
1:46:39
Speaker 4: we take issue with. No, it's just you hate all
1:46:42
Speaker 4: women and period.
1:46:44
Speaker 2: Plump plank. That's it.
1:46:45
Speaker 4: That is all the argument that they needed to make.
1:46:50
Speaker 3: Yep.
1:46:51
Speaker 1: So in the UK they had a men's rights party.
1:46:55
Speaker 1: I think they still do. In the US we don't
1:46:59
Speaker 1: have a men's rights part I think in India they do.
1:47:02
Speaker 1: We should, by the way, have a men's rights political
1:47:05
Speaker 1: party and there should be candidates and they should be men,
1:47:12
Speaker 1: like a lot of people have, you know, jokingly in
1:47:15
Speaker 1: in chat and throughout history, name different ones of us
1:47:21
Speaker 1: at Honey Badger Radio for president, and of course my
1:47:24
Speaker 1: name's been put out there. Fuck no, I have not
1:47:28
Speaker 1: qualified for that job, and I would not do that
1:47:31
Speaker 1: job if if elected, right, and I don't think that
1:47:34
Speaker 1: the country is ready for a woman to do that job,
1:47:37
Speaker 1: and I'm sure as shit wouldn't take it. As long
1:47:41
Speaker 1: as the media uses you can't criticize this candidate because
1:47:48
Speaker 1: of her sex, regardless of which media it is. I
1:47:52
Speaker 1: don't care if it's left, right, up, down, back and forth,
1:47:55
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Nobody should be using that argument in
1:47:59
Speaker 1: any election should you can't criticize what this person says
1:48:02
Speaker 1: or does because because of her sex, that disqualifies all
1:48:06
Speaker 1: women from politics. As long as it is a.
1:48:08
Speaker 3: Thing, well, in your case, you'd get murdered.
1:48:13
Speaker 1: I probably would.
1:48:14
Speaker 3: It's something it's an inevitability stability we've been encountered with. Yeah,
1:48:24
Speaker 3: if you're if you're too far out, if you if
1:48:26
Speaker 3: you've said some spicy, too many spicy things over the years,
1:48:31
Speaker 3: then there will just simply thrust those spicy things in
1:48:36
Speaker 3: in into the news cycle to to bully you out
1:48:40
Speaker 3: of ever having any office. But if they can't find
1:48:44
Speaker 3: enough spicy things, they'll just murder you, as we've recently discovered,
1:48:51
Speaker 3: Like if you're middle of the road but effective, they'll
1:48:55
Speaker 3: kill you. If you're ahead of the road, uh and effective,
1:49:00
Speaker 3: then they'll just shadow man you. And that's what happened
1:49:02
Speaker 3: to all of us like ten years ago, and that's
1:49:05
Speaker 3: why it's never going to happen for any of us,
1:49:07
Speaker 3: because we were ahead of the curve. And as as
1:49:11
Speaker 3: we've discovered all two colorfully, if you will never be
1:49:17
Speaker 3: a you'll never be thanked for being ahead of the curve.
1:49:21
Speaker 3: The fact that we were talking about this years before
1:49:23
Speaker 3: anyone else was meant that we were already pushed out
1:49:28
Speaker 3: of the limelight a long hour time ago. And and
1:49:35
Speaker 3: and we'll never be able to to hold any even
1:49:40
Speaker 3: potential point of office. And that's probably for the best,
1:49:44
Speaker 3: because that's not what we do. We're not here to
1:49:50
Speaker 3: to dive into that sharkness, and we'll never be able to.
1:49:58
Speaker 3: And that's why we stay here in in our space
1:50:00
Speaker 3: leper colony, trying to convince other people to look outside
1:50:09
Speaker 3: the box. And we've suffered the consequences for doing that
1:50:16
Speaker 3: for a long time, and we're going to keep doing it,
1:50:20
Speaker 3: convincing people to get outside the box they live in,
1:50:23
Speaker 3: where actually the problem is this degradation of the relationship
1:50:31
Speaker 3: between men and women. Everyone else is looking at the
1:50:34
Speaker 3: immigration problem and the fucking race problem and all these
1:50:39
Speaker 3: other leaves of the poison ivy that have spawned from
1:50:46
Speaker 3: the initial problem, and it's going to be lifetimes before
1:50:53
Speaker 3: anyone beyond our little space leper colony can realize that
1:50:58
Speaker 3: all of this has spawned from the degradation of the
1:51:03
Speaker 3: relationship between men and women. Because because of the problems
1:51:11
Speaker 3: that have been spawned from that, the race problems, the
1:51:16
Speaker 3: trans problems, the immigration problems. Everyone's looking towards those issues
1:51:24
Speaker 3: because they're sore, because they're so easily fixed. It's easy
1:51:28
Speaker 3: to fix the immigration problem, just send them back. It's
1:51:33
Speaker 3: remarkably easy to send them back. We can't send the
1:51:37
Speaker 3: women back. The women problem is so much deeper and
1:51:43
Speaker 3: so much more difficult because we can't just send the
1:51:46
Speaker 3: women back. We have to deprogram the women, and that's
1:51:51
Speaker 3: really difficult, and that's why we've faced these difficulties over
1:51:56
Speaker 3: the last ten years or so. Because we're as seeing
1:52:00
Speaker 3: the seeds of the problem, not the leaves. I know,
1:52:02
Speaker 3: that's the metaphor I keep using, but it's true, and
1:52:07
Speaker 3: that's you know, we're we're planting trees under which the
1:52:17
Speaker 3: shade of which we will we will never sit under,
1:52:20
Speaker 3: as as the Greek proverb goes, and so yeah, we'll we'll,
1:52:27
Speaker 3: we'll never get in positions of power, will never have
1:52:29
Speaker 3: statues built of us. In fact, we're going to disappear
1:52:33
Speaker 3: into history, despite having inspired people to do what they're
1:52:37
Speaker 3: doing now. Even the Charlie Kirks of the world, the
1:52:43
Speaker 3: people actually facing death, they're they're here because of Wait,
1:52:50
Speaker 3: this sounds really convoluted, but yeah, they're they're here because
1:52:55
Speaker 3: the likes of us were here ten years ago. The
1:52:57
Speaker 3: people who appeared five years ago to address the leaves
1:53:04
Speaker 3: of the poison ivy are in far greater danger and
1:53:09
Speaker 3: have found much more to gain and far much more
1:53:11
Speaker 3: to lose than we did having appeared ten years ago
1:53:15
Speaker 3: addressing the seeds of the problem, and the seeds of
1:53:18
Speaker 3: the problem are the degradation of the relationship between men
1:53:23
Speaker 3: and women. It's going to take a long time for
1:53:27
Speaker 3: even the prominent voices of the so called right to
1:53:31
Speaker 3: even begin to understand why they're even here in the
1:53:34
Speaker 3: first place, why we have these these these racial problems,
1:53:39
Speaker 3: and these immigration problems and these trans problems. It's it's
1:53:43
Speaker 3: all because of well, not even feminism. It's because of
1:53:49
Speaker 3: what came before feminism. There, I say, romantic Chivalry's it
1:53:54
Speaker 3: hasn't been around for the last century. It's been around
1:53:57
Speaker 3: for the last millennium. It goes back far, far, further
1:54:02
Speaker 3: back into history than than that. Then most people can
1:54:08
Speaker 3: even comprehend. And so you know, it might take another
1:54:13
Speaker 3: thousand years to really fix this, and you know, mm hm,
1:54:23
Speaker 3: so don't worry about it, folks, We're all going to
1:54:27
Speaker 3: be long dead before any of this is fixed. But
1:54:31
Speaker 3: but carry on doing your ship with your bad self.
1:54:35
Speaker 3: You're not going to get statues, you're not going to
1:54:38
Speaker 3: get books written about you or Hollywood movies written about you.
1:54:43
Speaker 3: We're here to just chip away slowly this problem. And
1:54:52
Speaker 3: we're not in it for the glory. We're in it
1:54:55
Speaker 3: for for the for the We're in it for the
1:54:58
Speaker 3: long haul. Yeah.
1:55:02
Speaker 4: I mean, I would say this to anyone who feels like,
1:55:07
Speaker 4: you know, this is just a fool's errand what we're
1:55:11
Speaker 4: doing here, you know, ten years ago. Maybe longer than that,
1:55:17
Speaker 4: but I would estimate about ten years ago, nobody gave
1:55:21
Speaker 4: a shit. The feminists did not give a shit about
1:55:24
Speaker 4: us because they knew they could just ignore us, and
1:55:28
Speaker 4: oh well, nobody's paying attention to these people. The fact
1:55:31
Speaker 4: that they are reacting so viscerally to what we are
1:55:36
Speaker 4: saying and the things that we're doing speaks volumes as
1:55:40
Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, because if they didn't understand that
1:55:44
Speaker 4: we were a direct threat to their narrative, they would
1:55:47
Speaker 4: just keep silent.
1:55:49
Speaker 2: But they're not.
1:55:51
Speaker 4: They are making their own little feminist manifestos, right, and no,
1:55:59
Speaker 4: they are direct attacking us as people, as human beings
1:56:04
Speaker 4: just living on this earth and having an opinion. They
1:56:08
Speaker 4: can't kill all of us.
1:56:09
Speaker 2: They can't. They can't Charlie Kirk all of us. They
1:56:14
Speaker 2: probably wish that they could.
1:56:16
Speaker 4: But you know, for what it's worth, right now, we
1:56:20
Speaker 4: are the thorn in their fucking side. And I would
1:56:27
Speaker 4: like everyone to who is listening to this to come
1:56:30
Speaker 4: away with that type of energy. You know, there's times
1:56:32
Speaker 4: when I feel like, man, we've been at this for
1:56:36
Speaker 4: how long, you know, and it seems like such slow momentum.
1:56:42
Speaker 4: But when you see articles and you see things like
1:56:47
Speaker 4: the Department of Homeland Security directly labeling this group as
1:56:53
Speaker 4: a terrorist. Is that what they call this terrorist or
1:56:58
Speaker 4: a domestic threat?
1:57:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have. We've been put on a number of
1:57:04
Speaker 1: academic lists and one non academic list, and then also
1:57:12
Speaker 1: where we've been maligned by the SPLC.
1:57:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would wear that as a badge of
1:57:20
Speaker 4: fucking pride.
1:57:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you can't.
1:57:23
Speaker 4: You can't cancel all of us. You can't just you
1:57:28
Speaker 4: can't throw us all in the fucking bend of history.
1:57:32
Speaker 4: It's not going to happen, you know.
1:57:34
Speaker 2: They they they assassinated Charlie Kirk.
1:57:38
Speaker 4: What the hell do you think that that's going to do.
1:57:40
Speaker 2: It's only going to spawn.
1:57:42
Speaker 4: There's ten more Charlie Kirks just spawned overnight, you know,
1:57:47
Speaker 4: there are I saw a video of children in high school,
1:57:50
Speaker 4: high school kids standing up to their administration basically standing
1:57:58
Speaker 4: for Charlie Kirk. And again, any kind of teacher in
1:58:02
Speaker 4: their classrooms in their schools, who would you know, mock
1:58:07
Speaker 4: his death. I'm telling you, there's there's a It's unfortunate
1:58:15
Speaker 4: that it had to happen this way, but there's a
1:58:20
Speaker 4: real change happening here, and I think more people are
1:58:26
Speaker 4: gonna wake up. I think it's harder to wake up
1:58:28
Speaker 4: from the feminist nightmare, you know. But what we're looking
1:58:37
Speaker 4: at is a generation of up and coming truth seekers.
1:58:44
Speaker 2: And as long as.
1:58:46
Speaker 4: You have that kind of energy and we keep putting
1:58:48
Speaker 4: out this messages and pointing to the actual, real facts,
1:58:53
Speaker 4: I think there can be nothing.
1:58:55
Speaker 2: But a bigger.
1:58:59
Speaker 4: Suath of of individuals saying hey, you know what, that
1:59:04
Speaker 4: makes sense. It doesn't sound like hey, it sounds like
1:59:08
Speaker 4: actual truth. And I've seen this happen in my own lifetime.
1:59:13
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, maybe these people are telling the truth.
1:59:16
Speaker 4: Maybe we should stand against what these feminist academics are
1:59:21
Speaker 4: trying to shove down our throats because we can visualize
1:59:26
Speaker 4: and actually see the lies that are being told to us.
1:59:31
Speaker 1: You know.
1:59:33
Speaker 4: So I'm full of hope.
1:59:35
Speaker 2: I'm full of hope.
1:59:37
Speaker 1: I am too. I am too.
1:59:41
Speaker 3: You know.
1:59:41
Speaker 1: It's easy to get black pilled on this stuff, but yeah,
1:59:44
Speaker 1: you have to realize, like, besides the fact that there's
1:59:47
Speaker 1: been a significant amount of change in the last ten years,
1:59:50
Speaker 1: which most people don't realize this, but that's actually a
1:59:55
Speaker 1: large amount of progress, just going from the fact that Uh,
2:00:02
Speaker 1: you know, people are not being so easily canceled for
2:00:06
Speaker 1: for stupid jokes about dongles and Dick's right to the
2:00:14
Speaker 1: fact that we are holding people accountable for advocating violence
2:00:19
Speaker 1: against individuals on the basis of just political speech. That's
2:00:24
Speaker 1: a huge leap in a ten year space. And we
2:00:29
Speaker 1: we weren't the first people to talk about this stuff.
2:00:32
Speaker 1: We were early at at the beginning of the sweeping changes. Yeah, right,
2:00:39
Speaker 1: but we were were we stand on the shoulders of giants, yes,
2:00:44
Speaker 1: And this type of discussion goes back centuries and in
2:00:51
Speaker 1: more recent history before us, you know, existed like Paul
2:00:57
Speaker 1: Elam of A Voice for Men was in operation before us.
2:01:02
Speaker 1: In fact, Alison and Karen and I getting together, Paul
2:01:08
Speaker 1: was instrumental in that. He wasn't the the instrument of that,
2:01:14
Speaker 1: but he was instrumental in us starting to work together.
2:01:17
Speaker 1: And A Voice for Men was the first host for
2:01:21
Speaker 1: Hunter Honey Badger Radio, So you know we have we
2:01:26
Speaker 1: have him to thank and their crew to think. Uh.
2:01:30
Speaker 1: And before all of that, you had doctor Warren Ferrell,
2:01:35
Speaker 1: who wrote about these issues back when nobody was talking
2:01:38
Speaker 1: about them and was canceled. He was he was part
2:01:43
Speaker 1: of the National Organization for Women, and he was he
2:01:47
Speaker 1: was approaching gender issues from a neutral standpoint. They didn't
2:01:51
Speaker 1: like that. And when he started talking about women are
2:01:55
Speaker 1: making progress, there are issues affecting men, and men need
2:01:59
Speaker 1: to make progress too, they canceled him. They didn't just
2:02:03
Speaker 1: cancel him, they lied about him. They defamed him in
2:02:08
Speaker 1: some of the most egregious ways, by deliberately misinterpreting things
2:02:12
Speaker 1: he said to mean the exact fucking pullar opposite of
2:02:18
Speaker 1: what they actually meant, in order to make him sound
2:02:22
Speaker 1: like some sort of incests supporting pedophile, which was a
2:02:26
Speaker 1: bullshit argument. They lied about him, right, And even before that,
2:02:33
Speaker 1: you had researchers like Mary Strass who lost their entire careers,
2:02:38
Speaker 1: who were completely canceled simply for pointing out the difference
2:02:45
Speaker 1: between accurate research and ideologically biased research in the field
2:02:55
Speaker 1: of research into intimate partner and sexual violence prevalence, where
2:03:00
Speaker 1: feminists were trying to make these things look more prevalent
2:03:03
Speaker 1: than they really were and more gendered than they really were,
2:03:08
Speaker 1: and he pushed back against that and got canceled, got
2:03:13
Speaker 1: lied about. This goes all the way back to the
2:03:18
Speaker 1: beginning of the twentieth century, when when Ernest Belford Backs
2:03:24
Speaker 1: was writing about feminist ideas and ideals and what we
2:03:32
Speaker 1: would today call feminist jurisprudence in law and policy. Back then,
2:03:38
Speaker 1: there was no feminist jurisprudence. It was just gynocentrism. Things
2:03:43
Speaker 1: like the badger game where a woman would you know,
2:03:50
Speaker 1: flirt with a guy and then get him into a
2:03:54
Speaker 1: compromising position and then claim to be know, get get
2:04:01
Speaker 1: caught in this compromising position and claim to be reputationally
2:04:05
Speaker 1: injured by him and demand money as a type of scam.
2:04:10
Speaker 1: H And I was that was very prevalent at the time.
2:04:15
Speaker 1: You know, he talked about all those kinds of things.
2:04:17
Speaker 1: He talked about the demands of the suffragettes and and everything.
2:04:22
Speaker 1: You can actually find the writings of BACS Ernest Belford
2:04:27
Speaker 1: Backs documented on a voice for men dot com. So
2:04:32
Speaker 1: if you search for that, you can search for that
2:04:36
Speaker 1: name Ernest Belford Backs and a voice formen dot com
2:04:42
Speaker 1: together and it'll probably take you right to his writings.
2:04:47
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I do have hope simply because there
2:04:55
Speaker 1: was not so much. It was a losing battle for
2:04:57
Speaker 1: a century, and now we are seeing some change. And
2:05:05
Speaker 1: that's like for for a century there was no change.
2:05:09
Speaker 1: So that's progress, even if it's not the rapid progress
2:05:13
Speaker 1: we would like to see.
2:05:13
Speaker 2: I would.
2:05:14
Speaker 1: I don't want to play the long game. I want
2:05:16
Speaker 1: everything better now. I'll do this for as long as
2:05:21
Speaker 1: it needs done, or at least as long as I'm around.
2:05:25
Speaker 1: But I don't want it to need done that long
2:05:29
Speaker 1: because as long as it needs done, men are suffering,
2:05:32
Speaker 1: and men are facing discrimination when they shouldn't be suffering,
2:05:36
Speaker 1: and they shouldn't be facing discrimination, and women are self
2:05:42
Speaker 1: sabotaging the entire time, and that's wrong too.
2:05:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
2:05:49
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish this up with the end of this
2:05:53
Speaker 1: paragraph and we'll get into the next bit next time.
2:05:57
Speaker 1: But what is this boiler down to? What do they
2:06:00
Speaker 1: want to do here? And this is what they're talking
2:06:07
Speaker 1: about right here, coregulatory frameworks, right the EU's twenty twenty
2:06:16
Speaker 1: two strengthen Code of Practice on Discrimination, which keeps or
2:06:23
Speaker 1: on this disinformation, not discrimination, but it keeps people from
2:06:26
Speaker 1: debating the truth of matters like what is really going
2:06:33
Speaker 1: on with this virus that's circling the world? Now? What
2:06:38
Speaker 1: is really going on with the various medical treatments that
2:06:42
Speaker 1: are being imposed on people that people are being told
2:06:45
Speaker 1: you can't have a job if you don't do this.
2:06:48
Speaker 1: What is really going on with practices of keeping people
2:06:54
Speaker 1: at home, shutting down whole cities and so on, And
2:06:59
Speaker 1: you couldn't talk about that because you might be accused
2:07:03
Speaker 1: of spreading disinformation rather than having you know, if you
2:07:07
Speaker 1: say something that's not true, other people can present evidence
2:07:11
Speaker 1: that you were wrong, and that ends that that tangent
2:07:17
Speaker 1: of that discussion. Oh, here's the evidence that debunks what
2:07:20
Speaker 1: you just said.
2:07:21
Speaker 3: Right.
2:07:23
Speaker 1: No, instead the government comes in and maybe you get
2:07:28
Speaker 1: arrested for saying the thing that you said right, rather
2:07:33
Speaker 1: than people being able to debate the validity of what
2:07:36
Speaker 1: you said. And in this includes a commitment, as it
2:07:42
Speaker 1: says here, to operate channels of exchange between their relevant teams.
2:07:46
Speaker 1: So between again, all these various social media if you
2:07:50
Speaker 1: say something on Facebook that X doesn't like, or if
2:07:53
Speaker 1: you say something on X that Reddit doesn't like, Reddit
2:07:56
Speaker 1: takes issue with fucking everything, Suddenly you're in trouble again.
2:08:02
Speaker 1: Maybe you get banned from all social media, Maybe that
2:08:05
Speaker 1: comment gets taken down, maybe they do what YouTube likes
2:08:09
Speaker 1: to do, and just it's suddenly that video is private,
2:08:14
Speaker 1: that comment is nobody's allowed to respond to it, or
2:08:18
Speaker 1: maybe they do what Reddit likes to do, and you
2:08:21
Speaker 1: can post all you want, but nobody can see anything
2:08:23
Speaker 1: you've posted, right, and you have no idea, They don't
2:08:29
Speaker 1: tell you, So exchange between their relevant teams, share information
2:08:37
Speaker 1: about cross platform influence operations. They don't want you persuading
2:08:43
Speaker 1: anyone else to agree that maybe men are human, and
2:08:49
Speaker 1: maybe all these these guynocentric laws and policies are being
2:08:55
Speaker 1: used as a chisel to chip away at civil rights
2:09:02
Speaker 1: by throwing men under the bus. Maybe you can't talk
2:09:06
Speaker 1: about that. What's the goal preventing dissemination and resurgence. They
2:09:22
Speaker 1: want to prevent you from having conversations about political issues
2:09:30
Speaker 1: using logic, reason and facts because you might not come
2:09:34
Speaker 1: to the conclusions that they want you to agree with.
2:09:42
Speaker 1: Committed channels could extend to incidents of gendered or sexualized
2:09:47
Speaker 1: harassment campaigns again, like the so called harassment campaign against
2:09:52
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton for her infidelity to the United States. You
2:09:57
Speaker 1: can't debunk conspiracy theory because that's misogynistic. It's about Hillary.
2:10:07
Speaker 1: You can't inform your vote on the fact that the
2:10:10
Speaker 1: Democrat Party baldfaced lied to you because that's misogynistic. It
2:10:16
Speaker 1: traces back to Hillary. Why they want to do that.
2:10:25
Speaker 1: Such an effort could be seen as beneficial to compliance
2:10:29
Speaker 1: with the EU's DSA, under which platforms are required to
2:10:34
Speaker 1: assess and mitigate systemic risk related.
2:10:37
Speaker 2: To online gender based violence.
2:10:44
Speaker 1: When are they really trying to get rid of systemic
2:10:46
Speaker 1: risk that the political establishment cannot control how the electorate votes.
2:10:56
Speaker 3: I ran to picture what the world would be like
2:11:00
Speaker 3: if Kamala Harris was president right now, I don't. We'd
2:11:06
Speaker 3: be in thermonuclear war with Russia, and if anyone protested
2:11:10
Speaker 3: against it, they'd be called not only misogynistic but racist.
2:11:16
Speaker 3: And that would be our future forever because there'd be
2:11:20
Speaker 3: millions of illegal immigrants in the country who would forever
2:11:24
Speaker 3: be voting for Come out Kamala Harris and descendants. God
2:11:30
Speaker 3: knows who that would even be. But yeah, like, I
2:11:35
Speaker 3: don't think Trump is a saint by any means. I
2:11:40
Speaker 3: don't think he's I even think he's lawless in any way.
2:11:45
Speaker 3: But for God's sake, folks, just for a moment, look
2:11:49
Speaker 3: through a pin the whole camera at what the world
2:11:52
Speaker 3: would be like if Kamala Harris was president, or if
2:11:56
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton had been president from twenty sixteen through to
2:12:02
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. I mean, at this point Kamala Harris
2:12:06
Speaker 3: would be president. The world you would have right now
2:12:11
Speaker 3: would be the world we have in the UK right now,
2:12:15
Speaker 3: where there's just there's just no escape from the communist revolution.
2:12:23
Speaker 3: So yeah, fucking take the piss out of Trump all
2:12:28
Speaker 3: you like. But the alternative would have been infinitely worse,
2:12:37
Speaker 3: and I mean infinitely because it would go on forever.
2:12:39
Speaker 3: It would be the big brother future, the big brother
2:12:42
Speaker 3: future that Europe is experiencing right now. Please let me in,
2:12:48
Speaker 3: Please let me in. Please don't let me leave this continent.
2:12:50
Speaker 3: I don't want to go home, to ever go home.
2:12:54
Speaker 3: Please let me stay. Not in Canada. Canada looks just
2:12:59
Speaker 3: as much.
2:13:02
Speaker 2: Unfortunately.
2:13:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I wonder how long it'll be before being
2:13:11
Speaker 1: threatened with arrest for saying the wrong thing on social
2:13:14
Speaker 1: media will be a reason why Europeans can ask for
2:13:19
Speaker 1: asylum in the United States, because I think that's coming.
2:13:23
Speaker 1: And as as far as Hillary is concerned, people always
2:13:25
Speaker 1: say I get overboard on Hillary Clinton, but you have
2:13:28
Speaker 1: to understand I watched the way that she behaved during
2:13:33
Speaker 1: her husband's presidency, and I watched the news that came
2:13:37
Speaker 1: out about them, the personal news that came out about
2:13:41
Speaker 1: what she was like behind the scenes and everything. And
2:13:45
Speaker 1: I firmly believe, beyond even the slightest shadow of a doubt,
2:13:51
Speaker 1: that if she got into office, she would be the
2:13:53
Speaker 1: last president of the United States. I will not elaborate
2:13:59
Speaker 1: on that. You guys can figure that out for yourselves,
2:14:06
Speaker 1: but that is the truth. That is what I think
2:14:08
Speaker 1: of Hillary Clinton. And I don't think anybody was scarier
2:14:14
Speaker 1: that ran for office during my lifetime, even the guy
2:14:18
Speaker 1: that wanted to get rid of all the nukes. God,
2:14:22
Speaker 1: that was like I was in high school, junior higher
2:14:25
Speaker 1: high school, Mondale wanted to disarm it, ran against Reagan
2:14:31
Speaker 1: or Bush, and he was scary, but he wasn't as
2:14:35
Speaker 1: scary as Hillary Clinton. So, and that's not about misogyny.
2:14:43
Speaker 1: That's about the kind of person she is. Yeah, if
2:14:47
Speaker 1: she was a man, she would be just as scary,
2:14:50
Speaker 1: minus the fact that you know, at least as a man,
2:14:54
Speaker 1: we could criticize her without having people say you only
2:14:57
Speaker 1: say that because she's a woman, Like that's the only difference.
2:15:02
Speaker 1: All of our ideas would be just as scary. But
2:15:06
Speaker 1: as a candidate, she's scarier as a woman. Because she
2:15:10
Speaker 1: can use allegations of misogyny to try to shut down criticism.
2:15:16
Speaker 1: And yeah, Mondale was made a joke. They wouldn't have
2:15:19
Speaker 1: been able to do that if he was female. Ducaucus
2:15:23
Speaker 1: was eliminated because of sexual misconduct, they wouldn't have been
2:15:28
Speaker 1: able to do that if he was a female. Various
2:15:32
Speaker 1: other candidates that the establishment didn't like were eliminated. I
2:15:37
Speaker 1: was not a Mondale fan personally. I thought that was
2:15:40
Speaker 1: a scary idea of being the first to disarm. I
2:15:44
Speaker 1: think that that's not a good way to achieve peace.
2:15:49
Speaker 1: I agree with both both Kennedy and Reagan on the
2:15:54
Speaker 1: idea that being able to eliminate your puts you in
2:16:02
Speaker 1: a position to argue for peace that being unable to
2:16:06
Speaker 1: defend yourself doesn't. But in any case, that's essentially my
2:16:14
Speaker 1: take on the candidates throughout the last I guess thirty years. Really,
2:16:22
Speaker 1: I'm fifty three, been eligible to vote since nineteen ninety two,
2:16:31
Speaker 1: and like even prior to that, I guess forty years.
2:16:37
Speaker 1: I've been alert and aware of politics for the last
2:16:40
Speaker 1: forty years, ever since I started paying attention during the
2:16:46
Speaker 1: Reagan administration. And yeah, out of everybody, the scariest was
2:16:55
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. Even Kamala Harris was not as scary as
2:16:58
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. Harris was a puppet. I don't think it was.
2:17:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Kamalin was toothless.
2:17:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:17:07
Speaker 2: Hillary just had this this.
2:17:12
Speaker 4: Uh hope like if I can use that word backing
2:17:17
Speaker 4: that I just never understood.
2:17:19
Speaker 2: I think it was like, you know, all the women.
2:17:21
Speaker 4: Who were looking for some sort of revenge and it
2:17:26
Speaker 4: it always bothered me that, you know, these people who
2:17:30
Speaker 4: are well all right feminists supported her even after uh
2:17:40
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, right, and she.
2:17:44
Speaker 2: Stayed, She stayed with him. You would think that feminists
2:17:48
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, what are you doing. You got
2:17:51
Speaker 2: to leave that one man? He ain't no good. Nope, nope.
2:17:54
Speaker 4: They stood right by her side even after she stayed.
2:17:59
Speaker 4: And it's like, wait a minute, how does that align
2:18:02
Speaker 4: with any of your mantra? Right, Like you're independent, you
2:18:07
Speaker 4: could be independent single women and you can do it all.
2:18:11
Speaker 2: And blah blah, you don't need no man.
2:18:13
Speaker 4: But she stayed with him. And we all know why
2:18:19
Speaker 4: you don't leave a fucking former or sitting president as
2:18:25
Speaker 4: their wife, because that gives you you have access to
2:18:29
Speaker 4: that power. You know, and that's what she used throughout
2:18:33
Speaker 4: the room after he was out of office.
2:18:36
Speaker 2: That's what she used to gain the position that she
2:18:40
Speaker 2: had moving forward.
2:18:42
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm glad that people saw through that
2:18:48
Speaker 4: and and saw her for what she was. You know,
2:18:51
Speaker 4: when she when she laughed at Gaddafi's desk, she danced
2:18:57
Speaker 4: on his grave, and you know, some people who were
2:19:04
Speaker 4: aware and awake and you know, actually paying attention saw
2:19:09
Speaker 4: that and saw her for the demonish ghoul that she is.
2:19:16
Speaker 4: But you know, for the Democratic Party was still had
2:19:20
Speaker 4: such a stronghold and you know, you know, well the
2:19:25
Speaker 4: rest is history, right, and so is she and her
2:19:29
Speaker 4: presidential hopes.
2:19:32
Speaker 3: By you, if all you're interested in is growing your
2:19:37
Speaker 3: own personal wealth, then a president who went from what
2:19:42
Speaker 3: was it fifteen million to two hundred and fifty million
2:19:45
Speaker 3: in in his tenure as president, like, oh yeah, you
2:19:51
Speaker 3: go to Fstein's Island and fuck a million underage girls,
2:19:55
Speaker 3: and I'll give the fuck because I want two hundred
2:19:57
Speaker 3: and fifty million every eight years. Yeah, they're probably billionaires
2:20:02
Speaker 3: by now. What we're being disclosed as their public wealth
2:20:05
Speaker 3: is probably a fraction of what's going on. They they
2:20:09
Speaker 3: are there to line their own pockets, as has every
2:20:13
Speaker 3: president except Trump in almost the entire history of American
2:20:20
Speaker 3: politics and in the politics in every country. This is
2:20:23
Speaker 3: the problem with democracy. Both one of the one of
2:20:30
Speaker 3: the the only presidents to have lost money in his
2:20:36
Speaker 3: in his time in office.
2:20:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean has there has there been another president
2:20:42
Speaker 4: that renounced his salary.
2:20:45
Speaker 3: There's only been four. George Washington was one, there were
2:20:49
Speaker 3: two others, and then there was Trump.
2:20:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:20:52
Speaker 3: This is why it's important to let rich people run
2:20:55
Speaker 3: for office, people who can't be four. Yeah. For everything
2:21:02
Speaker 3: these fucking socialists say about the billionaires of the problem,
2:21:06
Speaker 3: we should let the billion billionaires be in charge. People
2:21:09
Speaker 3: who don't stand to gain any wealth from having one
2:21:13
Speaker 3: hundred grand a year wedge through kids that don't give
2:21:16
Speaker 3: a shit about that. We want people in office who
2:21:19
Speaker 3: who don't give a shit about the wages they can
2:21:22
Speaker 3: get or even the blood money they can get, because
2:21:26
Speaker 3: they're already rich. Trump was already a billionaire when he
2:21:29
Speaker 3: entered office. He didn't need any more money. And this
2:21:32
Speaker 3: is why we need kings, because kings are already so
2:21:39
Speaker 3: rich that they cannot be bought. And this is why
2:21:44
Speaker 3: monarchism is better than democracy. And I know this is
2:21:47
Speaker 3: going to rub a lot of Americans the wrong way,
2:21:50
Speaker 3: So I'll stop talking.
2:21:54
Speaker 1: It's kind of like saying shit with corn and it
2:21:58
Speaker 1: is better than ship with rice and it Yeah. Still government, yeah,
2:22:04
Speaker 1: still a form of government. Right, there's you're you're talking
2:22:08
Speaker 1: to it anarcho capitalists here. I uh, I don't want
2:22:12
Speaker 1: anybody in charge, right, That's that's the other reason why
2:22:16
Speaker 1: if somebody tried to thrust me into that particular job,
2:22:21
Speaker 1: I would I would turn it down. I don't believe
2:22:24
Speaker 1: it should exist.
2:22:26
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:22:27
Speaker 1: So if I was put in that position and couldn't
2:22:32
Speaker 1: get out of it, then I would just settle set
2:22:34
Speaker 1: about dismantling the system entirely. Like people are upset that
2:22:38
Speaker 1: Trump is making changes to the system that, in my opinion,
2:22:43
Speaker 1: are minor.
2:22:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:22:48
Speaker 4: So meanwhile, these are all the same people that that
2:22:51
Speaker 4: say that they hate government, right, Well, he's doing things
2:22:58
Speaker 4: to reduce the power and the money that is being spent,
2:23:03
Speaker 4: and it's it's just it's just such a mind fuck
2:23:06
Speaker 4: for them that they can because it's Trump, right, they
2:23:10
Speaker 4: hate him, so anything if he cured cancer, yep, they
2:23:17
Speaker 4: would have a problem with that too.
2:23:19
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Look how many oncologists he's putting out
2:23:22
Speaker 1: of work. Right news for you. On college oncologists would
2:23:29
Speaker 1: love to be out of that job and into some
2:23:32
Speaker 1: other area of medicine. Yeah, they have to prepare themselves
2:23:37
Speaker 1: on a regular basis to tell people that they're going
2:23:39
Speaker 1: to die and nothing, nothing that the doctor is going
2:23:41
Speaker 1: to do can can can save them. Yeah. But to
2:23:47
Speaker 1: finish this up, I will say this again, as we've
2:23:56
Speaker 1: been we've been told a million times. We've been told
2:23:59
Speaker 1: that you and women as toothless. They don't they don't
2:24:03
Speaker 1: do anything. They're just they're they're not an actual you
2:24:06
Speaker 1: in organization. They're not actually influential. They don't get anything done,
2:24:10
Speaker 1: they don't affect anything. Uh and and they're not part
2:24:15
Speaker 1: of anything. Well, what they are talking about here is
2:24:20
Speaker 1: stuff that has been implemented.
2:24:25
Speaker 3: Right.
2:24:26
Speaker 1: Therefore, you have to consider that they have influence and
2:24:30
Speaker 1: that they are informing changes in government law and policy
2:24:37
Speaker 1: and also in corporate policy. And in some ways, corporate
2:24:42
Speaker 1: policy is even more dangerous because you can't you can't
2:24:46
Speaker 1: use the Bill of Rights against a corporation. You can
2:24:49
Speaker 1: use the Bill of Rights against the government. The Bill
2:24:51
Speaker 1: of Rights tells things the government cannot do, things that
2:24:56
Speaker 1: the government cannot take away basically from the citizens in
2:25:00
Speaker 1: the United States. So you could sue if the federal
2:25:03
Speaker 1: government passed a law that said, you can't discuss this
2:25:07
Speaker 1: political issue because it traces back to something that we
2:25:11
Speaker 1: can use to accuse you of misogyny, But you can't
2:25:14
Speaker 1: necessarily sue if Facebook does that. Facebook doesn't isn't governed
2:25:22
Speaker 1: by the Bill of Rights. Now, if you can prove
2:25:26
Speaker 1: that the government paid Facebook to do that, then you
2:25:30
Speaker 1: have a case, but that involves actually having access to
2:25:36
Speaker 1: that information. So this is some heavy stuff. This is
2:25:44
Speaker 1: essentially an organization that is masquerading as a toothless ladies
2:25:53
Speaker 1: club for political discussion among ladies around the world and
2:25:59
Speaker 1: ambassadors or that has actually got its teeth into every
2:26:04
Speaker 1: government around the world and many corporations, including the ones
2:26:11
Speaker 1: that govern what you can and can't say online. Very dangerous.
2:26:19
Speaker 1: Next week will probably gloss over some of this will
2:26:24
Speaker 1: essentially I might not directly read the entire paragraph of
2:26:28
Speaker 1: each of these things, but I will highlight a bit
2:26:32
Speaker 1: here and a bit there, because this is about the
2:26:36
Speaker 1: use of AI systems to censor your online speech, all right.
2:26:45
Speaker 1: And then the next thing that we are going to
2:26:49
Speaker 1: look at based on this is this Act to End
2:26:59
Speaker 1: Violence Against Women and Girls program, which we do have
2:27:05
Speaker 1: already up to look at. It'll probably reload a bunch
2:27:08
Speaker 1: of times. It's not super long like this other thing is.
2:27:13
Speaker 1: I'm not skipping a bunch of it in order to
2:27:15
Speaker 1: show you what it looks like, so we'll be able
2:27:18
Speaker 1: to go over it, possibly more quickly, and then we
2:27:21
Speaker 1: will get into what you and women says about how
2:27:28
Speaker 1: to counter the manisphere. So that's our trajectory here, that is,
2:27:33
Speaker 1: unless something else comes up that we absolutely have to
2:27:36
Speaker 1: talk about instead. If nothing else comes up that we
2:27:40
Speaker 1: absolutely have to talk about instead, this is the direction
2:27:42
Speaker 1: we're going for the next couple weeks. So with that,
2:27:45
Speaker 1: I will thank my two co hosts for sticking out.
2:27:50
Speaker 1: This is kind of a longer sausage. I'm about half
2:27:52
Speaker 1: an hour over the amount of time I usually do
2:27:54
Speaker 1: on Thursday nights, but we didn't have a show last week,
2:27:58
Speaker 1: so this kind of makes up for it. Thanks to
2:28:02
Speaker 1: the audience for listening. I know this is this is
2:28:04
Speaker 1: really dry stuff, but when it boils down to it,
2:28:06
Speaker 1: what you are being told here is there is a
2:28:09
Speaker 1: world government effort to use the concept of misogyny to
2:28:15
Speaker 1: silence you your criticism of any law, policy, or other
2:28:21
Speaker 1: government initiative that affects you negatively. And then thanks very
2:28:29
Speaker 1: much to Brian for for working hard to make things
2:28:31
Speaker 1: happen in the background so that I can do this
2:28:34
Speaker 1: and have the vertical chat as well, the vertical broadcast
2:28:39
Speaker 1: as well, and for going overtime with me. Goodnight all
2:28:46
Speaker 1: and know yea