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6/2/26: Dave Rubin Humiliated On Jubilee, California Gov Showdown, LA Mayors Race · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: dot com. Turning now to Dave Rubin really wowed us
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  Speaker 3: with his intellect, with facts and logic that Jubilee.
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  Speaker 1: Surrounded on me. Iron War. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: Well, first off, the disastrous war, the quote unquote disastrous
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  Speaker 4: worth you're talking about. You're talking about a forty day
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  Speaker 4: military operation that stopped an apocalyptic regime from getting a
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  Speaker 4: nuclear bomb and exporting terrorism throughout the world. That we're
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  Speaker 4: we're now in a now in an economic embargo of them, right,
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  Speaker 4: We've basically done a blockade of the Strait of horror movies.
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  Speaker 5: So to say it's a disaster.
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  Speaker 6: We've done it.
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  Speaker 4: We did lose, hang on, hang on, we did We
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  Speaker 4: did lose thirteen. We did lose thirteen of our soldiers
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  Speaker 4: and that is killed children. But well things happened in war,
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  Speaker 4: right things. Yeah, yeah, well things do happen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so hold on to talk.
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  Speaker 4: If Donald Trump wanted to prevent the Islamic Republic of
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  Speaker 4: Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, he could have just
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  Speaker 4: stuck with the Iran nuclear deal that he ripped up.
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  Speaker 5: Iran did not. Iran did not enriched past the.
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  Speaker 7: Seven Wait, they didn't rest the three point six seven
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  Speaker 7: percent in the JCPO way.
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  Speaker 5: They only got to sixty percent after Donald Trump left
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  Speaker 5: that kill. I'm impressed with your talking points. You got
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  Speaker 5: impressive talking points and you memorize them. Well, they're not correct,
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  Speaker 5: but I am impressed.
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  Speaker 8: What is one main metric that Donald Trump has made
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  Speaker 8: better off since he got office? An example would be
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  Speaker 8: a GDP, unemployment, inflation, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, first off, the big beautiful bill was just
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  Speaker 4: passed last year and it's kicking in now.
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  Speaker 5: Right, it's kicking in now.
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  Speaker 4: So we are see where're going to now see results
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  Speaker 4: of that, Like, are you even the tariffs?
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  Speaker 5: Alright, so let's do tariffs. Are you four or against tariffs?
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  Speaker 8: I'm against the universal tariff. So what's the main metric
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  Speaker 8: that he made better off?
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 8: What's the main metric that he made better off? GDP, unemployment, inflation,
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  Speaker 8: deviny idea. Listen, I don't think you do.
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  Speaker 5: Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: So you're arguing that things economically were better under Joe
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  Speaker 4: Biden at the end of his administration, Appstece, can you
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  Speaker 4: give me an example of how. Yeah, GDP growth is
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  Speaker 4: better off, real median wage growth is better off. Inflation
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  Speaker 4: was better off the end of his administration. Unemployment was
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  Speaker 4: better off the end of his administration, with the worst
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  Speaker 4: year of job growth in the past four years, just
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  Speaker 4: this last year und Trump's administration, the inflation three point
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  Speaker 4: eight percent year over year since Trump got in office.
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  Speaker 4: We're seeing all of those economic indicators become worse off.
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  Speaker 4: Can you tell me anything that he's done to make
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  Speaker 4: it better off? You see, it's broken for Democrats. It
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  Speaker 4: sounds like it's broken right now under Trump.
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  Speaker 5: Have you looked at the stock market, it's worse.
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  Speaker 8: Off in terms of growth in twenty twenty five, is
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  Speaker 8: comparison on twenty four. If you look at Jow Jones
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  Speaker 8: and s and p five hundred, this is.
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  Speaker 1: Like a humiliation kink or something. I mean, that's unbelief.
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  Speaker 9: With a getting owned by a guy with a Paisley
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  Speaker 9: shirt on. I love that guy's my spirit an him. Also,
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  Speaker 9: Reuben missed the stat that is right in front of him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: the metric that has gotten better under Trump is Trump's wealth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very true. Yeah, he is three times at.
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  Speaker 9: Least he's He's now worth six billion dollars. He was
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  Speaker 9: on the brink of destitution. He's now worth six billion dollars.
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  Speaker 9: That's an incredible turnaround.
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  Speaker 1: Like wearing a clown suit.
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  Speaker 3: Could have done a better job, I'm serio, Like playing
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  Speaker 3: an actor could have done a better job of articulating maga.
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  Speaker 6: Oh visual, would you say? Actually, the easy one to
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  Speaker 6: be the border.
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  Speaker 1: That's what that's what we always go with. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the borders closed.
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  Speaker 3: In a net migration, you just memorize the numbers and
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  Speaker 3: be like, here's what it was, Biden, here's what it
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  Speaker 3: is today. Guy would shut up, he would't even say anything.
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  Speaker 3: He probably bring up ice. You'd be like, okay, it's
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  Speaker 3: separate story. But we're talking about the border.
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  Speaker 9: So even I could do the deportation all yeah, deportations
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  Speaker 9: X number under Biden and you know now it's under Trump.
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  Speaker 3: It's this is and this, and you don't have to
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  Speaker 3: support that. But that's one of the best things that
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  Speaker 3: he's done that come on, like, what are we doing here?
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  Speaker 3: Whenever it comes to me run What's amazing is he
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  Speaker 3: also had multiple if you hadn't seen any of these
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  Speaker 3: where he previously had done, an entire mashup.
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  Speaker 1: Of the government was going to fall, and there was
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  Speaker 1: going to be.
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  Speaker 3: Democracy and the strait wasn't going to be closed that long,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody had a plan and all of this and
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  Speaker 3: then to show up and it's just like a complete
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  Speaker 3: and a total humiliation.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the thing is, this is what they are
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  Speaker 1: reduced to. They have nothing.
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  Speaker 3: All of the war's cheerleaders have gone from this is
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  Speaker 3: the greatest war in history, the most incredible military campaign,
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  Speaker 3: we are winning on the ground, to now they have
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  Speaker 3: to be put in a position where Trump, by being
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  Speaker 3: so desperate for the ceasefire, has proven every single one
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  Speaker 3: of their military prognostications wrong, as well as their political
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  Speaker 3: prognostication regimes doing well.
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  Speaker 1: They're strong.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, they still have their missile capacity, they have the
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  Speaker 3: drone capacity, they've established deterrence, they've closed the strait of
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  Speaker 3: horror moves. Like what they're effectively reduced to is what
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  Speaker 3: we talked about earlier in the show this morning, with
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  Speaker 3: Mark Levin being like, actually, I'm the same as George
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  Speaker 3: Washington and the colonists who want freedom, and that's why
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  Speaker 3: I continue to support the war.
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  Speaker 1: Worne, it's so crazy. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 9: And maybe we can put at the end of the
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  Speaker 9: end of this block Weenata and post this amazing Reuben
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  Speaker 9: mashup that was circulating.
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  Speaker 6: Before this, yes, which was here.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, let's just throw to it. Let's throw
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  Speaker 1: to it.
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  Speaker 10: Allow me to make a prediction here, and my prediction stuff.
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  Speaker 10: I'm not polymarket, I'm not call sheep, but I'm pretty
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  Speaker 10: good at predictions. And my prediction here is that everything
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  Speaker 10: that the media is now going to say about Aram's
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  Speaker 10: going to close the strait of hormones, and energy prices
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  Speaker 10: are going to go crazy and all these none of
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  Speaker 10: this is going to come to pass.
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  Speaker 4: Gas prices are coming down and will continue to come
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  Speaker 4: down if the United States wants to keep the Strait
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  Speaker 4: of horm Moves open, which it does, and Donald Trump said,
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  Speaker 4: we'll escort ships through if we have to. It's going
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  Speaker 4: to stay open. This is the leader of the Iranian opposition.
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  Speaker 4: He has been in exile. His name is Reza Palavi.
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  Speaker 4: We have shown you videos him before. He's the eldest
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  Speaker 4: son of the former Shah of Iran, and he likely
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  Speaker 4: is the next leader of Iran. This is the guy that,
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  Speaker 4: by all accounts, when this war ends, will go in
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  Speaker 4: and he will be the leader, and again it will
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  Speaker 4: be different. Just remember it sounds like the Kurds are
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  Speaker 4: starting to enter the country with arms to help the
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  Speaker 4: people take out the last vestiges of the IRGC. There's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of good things happening. This is Iranians. And
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  Speaker 4: you can hear they are chanting BB June bb net
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  Speaker 4: Nyahu in Iran. They are chanting praise for Benjamin Netnahu.
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  Speaker 4: And when you take out Kamani, and you take out
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  Speaker 4: his number two and his number three, and his number four,
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  Speaker 4: and his number thirty seven and his number forty two,
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  Speaker 4: then suddenly the next guy's going. It's a little hot
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  Speaker 4: in here. And then people start behaving a little bit differently.
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  Speaker 4: They've plotted this war, this extraordinary war that will be
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  Speaker 4: studied for decades. Right for decades, they will study how
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  Speaker 4: this incredible war took place. That we are hitting critical infrastructure,
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  Speaker 4: we are damaging the regimes, so hopefully the people will
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  Speaker 4: be able to take over their countries. Now, the question is,
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  Speaker 4: if you're going to hit power plants and you're going
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  Speaker 4: to hit civilian infrastructure and things of that nature, how
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  Speaker 4: do you make sure it's not going to harm the
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  Speaker 4: people but just the regime.
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  Speaker 5: And when we have a Department of War that is not.
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  Speaker 4: Looking for war but will perform war, then we are
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  Speaker 4: going to do it at the maximum level of competency.
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  Speaker 4: I think the way you can look at this this
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  Speaker 4: I haven't heard anyone else say this, but this seems
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  Speaker 4: to me to be the war to end all wars.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of people that were wrong about the Iran
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  Speaker 9: War in a lot of different ways. Nobody was wrong
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  Speaker 9: in every single way with so much confidence than Dave Reuben.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, can we say this too. Look, it's
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  Speaker 1: fine to be wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I publicly said on camera I didn't think that Putin
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  Speaker 3: would invade Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize for it. I was wrong, totally wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Same a lot of my stuff, predictions or thoughts about
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  Speaker 3: how Trump was gonna go.
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  Speaker 1: I was wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I apologize for here on the show. That's what you
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  Speaker 3: have to do if you want to maintain some level
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  Speaker 3: of credibility.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see it, Dave.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you're going to say publicly that things
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  Speaker 3: were going to be so incredible and and you know
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  Speaker 3: it's all going to work out so well, we have
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  Speaker 3: all these plans and democracy, et cetera, and then when
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  Speaker 3: it falls completely flat or the opposite of what you
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  Speaker 3: said true, you need to reassess your beliefs, man, and
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  Speaker 3: you need to come clean to a certain number of people.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, give us something. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Matt wallsh Real quickly started another storm with a post
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  Speaker 9: put this next up. He says, pretty much all of
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  Speaker 9: the prominent voices who supported the Iran were assured us
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  Speaker 9: it would be over by now. None of them will
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  Speaker 9: admit they were wrong, even less will they admit that
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  Speaker 9: their initial assurances were based on nothing but their own
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  Speaker 9: wish casting. This whole shit show has been an enormous
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  Speaker 9: waste of time and resource in our country has not
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  Speaker 9: benefited from it at all. Advocates have moved the goalposts
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  Speaker 9: repeatedly and have even to this day, refused to clearly
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  Speaker 9: articulate what constitutes of victory and how we'll know that
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  Speaker 9: it's been achieved.
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  Speaker 6: He's been pretty right about this from the beginning.
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  Speaker 9: Thomas Massey responded, I hope you get to keep your
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  Speaker 9: job after this post.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know, it's it's like, yes.
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  Speaker 6: People don't true working for Ben Shapiro.
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  Speaker 1: Which is fair, by the way, it's entirely fair to
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  Speaker 1: say that. I mean, look, yes, he said the obvious
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  Speaker 1: in that the question.
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  Speaker 6: From the beginning, I'll give him this certainly.
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  Speaker 3: Is I'll give it to him as well. However, there
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  Speaker 3: needs to be an internal forcing mechanism to force those
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  Speaker 3: people who did make all of those prognacic prognostications to
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  Speaker 3: be apologize, to be contrite, and to say, look, every
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  Speaker 3: single thing you said was wrong. We can trust you
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  Speaker 3: in the future if you're willing to say I was wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Here's why I was wrong. This is my internal thought process, this, this,
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  Speaker 3: and this. I still wouldn't respect it because frankly, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of evidence at the time. But whatever a right,
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  Speaker 3: it's the very least it's a step in the right direction.
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  Speaker 3: This is nothing like they're still claiming like what did
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  Speaker 3: he say? He is like you got your talking points memorized.
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  Speaker 3: Every single thing that kids said was just a fact,
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  Speaker 3: Like it wasn't even the talk. The talking point was
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  Speaker 3: about how incredible the war has gone, even though it
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  Speaker 3: is like it's just I mean, every even the honest
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  Speaker 3: neocons like Bob Kagan are like the greatest strategic defeat
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  Speaker 3: in military history.
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  Speaker 1: It's over, checkmate, it's done.
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  Speaker 9: And what we know is that twenty years from now,
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  Speaker 9: those same people will be urging us into another war
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  Speaker 9: right somewhere, probably Middle East, but who knows where.
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  Speaker 6: No Turkey. Remember, Oh yeah, the meme is them.
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  Speaker 3: The meme that was circulating was them on their deathbeds
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  Speaker 3: saying we, yes, we were right about the war with Iran,
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  Speaker 3: but we have got to deal with the Islamic Republican
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  Speaker 3: of Turkey. So yeah, that's where we go. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 3: get to David Daney stated by.
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  Speaker 6: All right, it's primary day.
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  Speaker 9: We have elections in what news out Dakota, Montana, New Mexico.
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  Speaker 6: But people care about California.
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  Speaker 3: Half an audience out in California, Yes, big, big, big
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  Speaker 3: chumpkin on it.
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  Speaker 9: And we have California. Dave Dayan in the studio today.
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  Speaker 9: Welcome to Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: How's it going, man, lovely weather?
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  Speaker 9: Right, we're trying, we're treating you like a California here.
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  Speaker 1: He's got no tie on very California, very Californy.
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  Speaker 9: Well, are we gonna allow it for a California?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah? For a construct all right.
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  Speaker 9: So we've got the LA mayor's race, we got the
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  Speaker 9: California governors. You've got a bunch of interesting house racism,
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  Speaker 9: the Democrats, Saga and I we're just talking about how
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  Speaker 9: it's interesting there virtually no Republican races.
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  Speaker 6: Hows for Republican races.
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  Speaker 11: One, there's a member on member race in because they
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  Speaker 11: got an.
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  Speaker 9: Empire, because they got forced together with the rest and
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  Speaker 9: Ken Calvern got it. All right, So let's start with
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  Speaker 9: the gubernatorial race. So how how how is it shaking out?
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  Speaker 9: As as you understand, like Tom Steyer, like, has he
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  Speaker 9: consolidated enough kind of progress of energy that let's put
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  Speaker 9: the poll out there?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 12: Talk?
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  Speaker 13: I mean, I think before the weekend the thought was, Okay,
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  Speaker 13: Styr's probably going to come up short. And it would
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  Speaker 13: be a Besarah Hilton general election.
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  Speaker 3: Right, that's what this fits with, right, Yeah, in the
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  Speaker 3: RCP average, but this is the last average of the last.
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  Speaker 13: But the more recent the polls are, the more they
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  Speaker 13: have Stire catching Hilton interesting. So that you know, puts
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  Speaker 13: forward the possibility of a Besarah Stire general election, which
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  Speaker 13: would be pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk then about that.
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  Speaker 3: So Bessarah, obviously he was what he was a JHS
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  Speaker 3: under Biden, kind of a California machine politician in terms
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  Speaker 3: of how we know him. Here it was for this
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  Speaker 3: viral moment where he was doing an interview and he
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  Speaker 3: didn't want.
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  Speaker 1: To be interviewed. So let's take a listen and we'll
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  Speaker 1: get a reaction.
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  Speaker 2: This is the start of our interview with Javier Rista
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  Speaker 2: in Highland Park.
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  Speaker 6: By the way, this is a profile piece. This is
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  Speaker 6: not I've got you a piece, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, I think we're these questions are fair.
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  Speaker 2: It's in order to learn about you as a candidate.
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  Speaker 5: The one is about the profile.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know how you define profile, but I'd like
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  Speaker 9: to begin the interview.
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  Speaker 12: The way I described profile is you talk about all
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  Speaker 12: the things that I've done things I want to do
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  Speaker 12: and along with some tough questions, but not only tough questions.
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  Speaker 3: This is a man who has been in professional politics
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  Speaker 3: his entire life.
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  Speaker 11: I just want to lay out the same ground rules
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  Speaker 11: for this.
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  Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah, there's a profile.
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  Speaker 1: This is a profile, right, Okay, tough ones.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't think this stuff matters. You
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  Speaker 3: were just talking to you and I before a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people at California there's not as much of a
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  Speaker 3: political culture you're saying, well, particularly in Los Angeles, but
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's got to have some impact at least
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  Speaker 3: for you know, among the activist base, for people who
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  Speaker 3: are paying attention.
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  Speaker 13: Right, It's been a really nutty race. So this is
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  Speaker 13: the first time in twenty years that we've entered a
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  Speaker 13: gubernatorial election without an establishment front runner candidate from the
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  Speaker 13: get go. And you know, we had Jerry Brown and
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  Speaker 13: then you had Gavin Newsom and that that's sort of
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  Speaker 13: been this sort of line of succession.
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  Speaker 6: That we've had in California.
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  Speaker 13: When this race started, there was everyone was waiting on
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  Speaker 13: Kamala Harris, is she going to run?
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  Speaker 11: She ends up saying no.
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  Speaker 13: A Lady Cunlakus, who was the lieutenant governor, and you know,
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  Speaker 13: scion of a rich family. They thought maybe she would
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  Speaker 13: be the heir apparent. She was getting absolutely no traction
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  Speaker 13: in the governor pull. She moved to run for state treasurer.
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  Speaker 13: They tried to dragoon Alex Padilla in the race. That
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  Speaker 13: didn't work out. He didn't come in. So there was
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  Speaker 13: just this emptiness in terms of usually this is a
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  Speaker 13: very machine you mentioned machine, it's like a machine state.
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  Speaker 13: They just they anoint somebody. Finally, the consultant class around Newsom,
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  Speaker 13: around Brown, they.
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  Speaker 11: Moved to Eric Swallwell and reach out.
• 15:01
  Speaker 13: And then almost the day after Eric Swallwell implodes, many
• 15:06
  Speaker 13: of those consultants say, hey, how about have you ever Sarah?
• 15:09
  Speaker 13: He was, he was in the race, he was kind
• 15:11
  Speaker 13: of languishing at four percent five percent in the polls, and.
• 15:14
  Speaker 11: They just run to him.
• 15:15
  Speaker 13: And so they're trying to recreate this sort of establishment,
• 15:20
  Speaker 13: you know, eat your peas kind of philosophy, but with
• 15:24
  Speaker 13: someone who obviously is not a very articulate spokesman for
• 15:29
  Speaker 13: the Democratic cause.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: He's got zero juice.
• 15:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so we had this weird story of you saw
• 15:34
  Speaker 9: all of a sudden, as Swallow drops out this massive
• 15:38
  Speaker 9: kind of social media campaign to say it's Besara.
• 15:43
  Speaker 13: Now I definitely saw it, did you. I noticed that
• 15:46
  Speaker 13: in real time being extremely inorganic.
• 15:49
  Speaker 9: And it now appears that it certainly was inorganic. Yeah,
• 15:54
  Speaker 9: it completely vanished within a week, Like there's no such
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: thing as an organic like Bisara mentum campaign that all
• 16:00
  Speaker 9: of a sudden actually never mind. So it's somebody gonna
• 16:05
  Speaker 9: go jail for this, like because people in Besara's orbit
• 16:08
  Speaker 9: have like gone to jail.
• 16:09
  Speaker 13: Well to be to be honest, I mean, Stier's paying influencers.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get don't worry.
• 16:14
  Speaker 13: Yeah, there's inorganic all the way down right, So.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's illegal ish, I mean it's.
• 16:21
  Speaker 11: You know, I don't think there here on the wild Western.
• 16:24
  Speaker 9: So did that really like did that get people to say, Okay,
• 16:27
  Speaker 9: you know what I guess it is, Butsara.
• 16:29
  Speaker 13: I think you can't divorce it from uh frankly, the
• 16:35
  Speaker 13: identity politics at the heart of this at California has
• 16:37
  Speaker 13: about forty percent Latino voters, and there was kind of
• 16:43
  Speaker 13: this this dust up that happened in March that almost
• 16:47
  Speaker 13: prefigures this is when Swallow's still in the race. They said, Okay,
• 16:51
  Speaker 13: there was a usc debate, and they said we're going
• 16:53
  Speaker 13: to take the top vote, you know, people topping the
• 16:57
  Speaker 13: polls and top in a fundraising and they're going to run.
• 17:00
  Speaker 11: And it was all the white people and everyone who.
• 17:04
  Speaker 13: Was shut out of that race was Asian, African American
• 17:08
  Speaker 13: or led Tino and uh, that race, that debate ends
• 17:12
  Speaker 13: up getting canceled and uh as a culture.
• 17:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and so.
• 17:19
  Speaker 13: When Besarah kind of gets anointed, I think there's this
• 17:23
  Speaker 13: sense that okay, uh, you know, we're better than having
• 17:27
  Speaker 13: just a bunch of white people that are in the
• 17:29
  Speaker 13: in this white area. We've got this other guy y.
• 17:34
  Speaker 13: So I do think there's an identity aspect.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's that's well said. All right, let's get
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: to our own.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Griffin, our producer, confronted Tom Styer over the paid influencers.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 14: I think people have a problem with billionaires because they
• 17:47
  Speaker 14: feel like that wealth should be redistributed elsewhere, but also
• 17:51
  Speaker 14: because people feel like billionaires are a threat to our democracy. Now,
• 17:54
  Speaker 14: some of your opponents have accused you of paying for
• 17:57
  Speaker 14: influencer campaigns pain influencer to promote your campaign?
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: Are you paying influencers? And we have.
• 18:04
  Speaker 12: Never paid for an endorsement. We pay people for their time.
• 18:08
  Speaker 12: They're small business people. They can put up whatever they want.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: But we has been negative.
• 18:15
  Speaker 12: I don't read it, I don't follow it exactly. Look,
• 18:17
  Speaker 12: and it could be and that's not the problem. This
• 18:20
  Speaker 12: is we do this and so does everybody else. It's
• 18:23
  Speaker 12: just we do it openly and we report everything. And
• 18:26
  Speaker 12: so the Beserah campaign, which has been running from answering
• 18:30
  Speaker 12: questions from people like you, who've been running not to
• 18:34
  Speaker 12: talk to reporters, not to answer questions from Californians, is saying, oh,
• 18:38
  Speaker 12: you know, they're trying to change the subject. The topic
• 18:41
  Speaker 12: in California is the people of California and why it's
• 18:45
  Speaker 12: not working for the people of California when this state
• 18:47
  Speaker 12: as a whole is killing it. That is the question,
• 18:50
  Speaker 12: and they're scared to talk about that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 14: So you don't think if someone accepts the money from
• 18:54
  Speaker 14: the campaign that they would pull questions, do softball interviews.
• 18:58
  Speaker 14: Obviously they're going to do positive content about you.
• 19:01
  Speaker 12: Look, they can do whatever they want, but we're not
• 19:03
  Speaker 12: paying anyone for endorsements or outcomes.
• 19:06
  Speaker 14: But couldn't there be a bad billionaire that comes along
• 19:09
  Speaker 14: and floods the race with influencers that are getting money
• 19:11
  Speaker 14: from the campaign. Isn't that a dangerous president?
• 19:13
  Speaker 12: Well, let me put it this way. There have been
• 19:15
  Speaker 12: billionaires who are running California before and they've always lost.
• 19:18
  Speaker 11: There you go, I'll get used at the outcome.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did a good job, Griffin, he held his
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: feet to the fire. Stier's like, well, you know, we
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: don't pay for the endorsement. We just pay a lot
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: of money and then they happened to endorse us. Yeah,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: he's not wrong. Everybody does it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 13: It's yeah, I mean, certainly that was kind of a
• 19:37
  Speaker 13: ridiculous conversation, but I mean the kernel of truth is
• 19:41
  Speaker 13: that Pisarah doesn't really hold a lot of meetings with folks,
• 19:48
  Speaker 13: and and Stier actually started this campaign by doing a
• 19:52
  Speaker 13: ton of town halls. I've been to a few of them,
• 19:55
  Speaker 13: and they are, to my knowledge, completely scripted. In fact,
• 20:00
  Speaker 13: I know it because I know people that asked questions
• 20:03
  Speaker 13: and he answers an hour and a half of questions.
• 20:06
  Speaker 11: Off the top of his head.
• 20:07
  Speaker 13: So stire is, you know, he has afforded the ability
• 20:13
  Speaker 13: to try to run a retail politics in California because
• 20:16
  Speaker 13: he has two hundred million.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: Dollars to raise money.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He's just self wealthy does exactly right.
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: And so the other insidious part of this is that
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: what he's saying there and what people understand is that
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: he's like, no, no, I'm not telling them what to say.
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: I'm hiring people unspoken part, who are already saying nice
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: things about me to continue to say nice things about
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: me and what And that's the insitious part is that
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: it then encourages countless influencers besides the ones that he
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: has hired, to just voluntarily say nice things about stire
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: with a pick me kind of a money come pay me,
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: like please pay me, and I'll keep doing this. Right,
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: So the whole thing's gross. But so let's talk about
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: Steve Hilton for a second. So he's the Republican who's
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: hoping a wait, yes, yes, Steve. So he's hoping that
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: he's going to like crack into the top two here, right,
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: He's got this Chad Bianco opponent who's trailing him. Let's roll,
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: Let's roll this clip from Steve Hilton kind of encouraging
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: Bianco supporters to get behind him.
• 21:21
  Speaker 15: It's a very very tight race. Three people competing for
• 21:26
  Speaker 15: two spots in the general election. Myself, Javierbissa, and Tom Steyer.
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: Tom Steyer is catching up. There is absolutely no guarantee
• 21:36
  Speaker 15: that we're going to get a Republican in the top two.
• 21:39
  Speaker 15: In fact, it's now looking more and more likely that
• 21:42
  Speaker 15: we'll have two Democrats in the top two. I know
• 21:45
  Speaker 15: that many Republicans were holding onto the hope that we
• 21:49
  Speaker 15: might have two Republicans in the top two, myself and Chad,
• 21:52
  Speaker 15: and then we guarantee change in California. But if that
• 21:56
  Speaker 15: was ever possible, it's certainly not possible today. You just
• 21:59
  Speaker 15: have to look at the math. This is not personal.
• 22:01
  Speaker 15: It's not about me or Chad or our qualities or
• 22:04
  Speaker 15: our record or anything like that. It's about the future
• 22:07
  Speaker 15: of California. And if we don't get a Republican in
• 22:11
  Speaker 15: the top two, we have no chance for change.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: So this is because of the jungle primary system. Bianco's
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: got about ten percent, as we showed a little bit earlier.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: If that were combined with Hilton, then he would be.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: The winner, or at least you know, he'd get to
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: to the top two.
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: Right, And you know, there was a lot of fear
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: from Democrats early on in this race that we would
• 22:31
  Speaker 13: actually have two Republicans, because you have pretty much eight
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: viable Democrats at one point that we're running and two
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: viable Republicans. And you do the math, and if it
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: was an even split among the Republicans, it would be
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: hard for Democrats to unless they consolidate the field.
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: On their own.
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: But when Trump endorsed Steve Hilton, that was the end
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: of the race for the Republicans. Essentially, Trump endorses Steve Hilton,
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: Bayanco falls down and now there's no way to box
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: out the crows got it. And at that point, uh,
• 23:04
  Speaker 13: it was you know, I mean Steve Hilton's talking about.
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: I think it is important for other reasons that you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: from from a Republican perspective.
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: They get in the top two, there's a billionaire tax on.
• 23:14
  Speaker 13: The ballot, and then November and that's going to be
• 23:17
  Speaker 13: bad for turnout. That's good, there are a lot of
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: contested seats in the House in November.
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: That's going to be bad for them. They have no
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: standard bear at that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: That is a very important point, is that they'll have
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: even less incentive to come to vote if there's not
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: a single Republicans in the top two.
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, and so it is important from that perspective for
• 23:37
  Speaker 13: the for the party. But there's no way that Steve
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: Hilton wins a one on one matchup against.
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: So why hasn't Bianco dropped out and endorsed Hilton?
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: What's going on?
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: I mean, Bianca's kind of in his own, his own world.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: Like today's today's election days.
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: Well, and the thing is they're there.
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: You know, if you even if dropped out now, you'd
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: still be on the ballot. There are sixty one gubernatorial
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: candidates on the ballot. It runs over two pages of
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: the ballot. One of the sort of hidden things here,
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: I think is there's going to be a lot of
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: ballot spoilation. It means that people are either going to
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: vote for nobody because they can't find their candidate among
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: the sixty one, or they're on two pages, so like, oh,
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: I'll vote for one here and I'll vote for one
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: over here, And there's going to be under votes, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 13: there's going to be over votes, and there's gonna be
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: a lot of ballots thrown out. The other thing that
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: you're going to see as the numbers come in is
• 24:39
  Speaker 13: Democrats held their ballots to a degree that was fairly
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: unprecedented in democratic polities. Everybody gets a ballot from the
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: state by mail at the beginning of the cycle thirty
• 24:53
  Speaker 13: days ago. Typically they come back, some come back early,
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: some come back later. What we see because we can
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: track this, Democrats were not turning back their ballots because
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: they wanted to wait to see where the polls were,
• 25:09
  Speaker 13: who people were going towards, because Democrats were still scared
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: about a top two that locked out Democrats that would
• 25:16
  Speaker 13: be republican Republican general election, and you can't do a
• 25:19
  Speaker 13: right in ballot, by the way, under the top two system,
• 25:23
  Speaker 13: So they were waiting to see what was going to happen.
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: And in the last weekend, twice as many ballots as
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: in the previous twenty five days were sent in. Wow,
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: it's now tracking higher than the twenty twenty two election,
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: higher than the twenty eighteen election, which was a contested
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: Hue Given Notorio primary at the top.
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: So now we're starting to see.
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: But however, the way the votes are going to be counted,
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: We're going to count all those ballots that came in earlier,
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: which were disproportionately Republican so on as.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Votes, some of them before Trump's endorsement.
• 26:01
  Speaker 13: Some no, not not they actually learned. But so when
• 26:05
  Speaker 13: the polls closed tonight, Hilton's going to be the lead.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Got it?
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: But how long are we how long is it going
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to take?
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: Weeks? Ridiculous?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, can we get it? Why does this take?
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: So they're trying to streamline it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 13: But well, I mean, actually it's a very interesting thing
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: because the Supreme Court kind of changed the game on this.
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: It used to be that your ballot had to be
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: postmarked by election day and it would count. So some
• 26:30
  Speaker 13: of those ballots come in five days, six days, seven days,
• 26:33
  Speaker 13: ten days.
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: Later and you got to count them.
• 26:35
  Speaker 13: Now the Supreme Court ruled that actually the ballot has
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: to show up on election day, and there was a
• 26:41
  Speaker 13: lot of chatter among in my circles among Democrats. You
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: actually have to send You can't send your ballot through
• 26:49
  Speaker 13: the mail after a week ago, send it to the
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: vote center, send it to the ballot like go to
• 26:54
  Speaker 13: the ballot box and then physically drop it in. So
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: I think there's also going to be a lot of
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: people who didn't learn that and their ballot isn't coming
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: to count. So there's like a lot of weird factors
• 27:07
  Speaker 13: in this race.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: What do you think this is? Bullish for if you
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: if you like bullish for the last week, that's.
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: A good question.
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: I mean, I think lower information voters who don't know
• 27:17
  Speaker 13: where to find their guy on the ballot, who don't
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: sort of follow directions very well and they're like marking
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: multiple ballots, or who don't understand like you could drop
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: it in the mail and it just doesn't show up
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: and you don't get counted. Uh, I don't know who
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: that favors, necessarily.
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: Want to get to get your sense in a couple
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: of the California house races. First of all, for people
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: who don't know New Jersey, we Adam Hamaway versus who Altman.
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: That's kind of the biggest kind of house race being watched.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: Well to that one.
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: Montana Orstagforstag has AOC's endorsement, but probably vote loses, right,
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: going to be interesting. Put up East seven here, we
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: have a whole bunch of different races.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: The house races.
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: You've got San Francisco, You've got Shroycott Chakabarty's Scott Wiener
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: and Connie chan Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Quickly on that one. How do you see how do
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: you see that one?
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: Well?
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: I was up AOC's former chief of staff, Connie Chan
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: has is progressive but has Nancy Pelosi's endorsement, shifts endorsement,
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: and so people were.
• 28:29
  Speaker 13: Like, I went up there and actually talked all three
• 28:32
  Speaker 13: of them for a piece I did a few weeks ago.
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: That was at a time when.
• 28:39
  Speaker 13: Chan was hoping that Labor was going to drag her
• 28:43
  Speaker 13: across the finish line to get in the second place.
• 28:46
  Speaker 13: She was being massively outspent. I think Chaka Bardy has
• 28:50
  Speaker 13: put ten million money and Wiener has about four million,
• 28:55
  Speaker 13: plus a lot of super Pac support. But in the
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: last few weeks when Pelosi endorsed, that was a signal, right, like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 13: you guys can come in and she's gotten You've reported
• 29:06
  Speaker 13: on some of them, some of the super Pac help
• 29:09
  Speaker 13: that she's gotten. I think it's it's more that there's
• 29:14
  Speaker 13: San Francisco's a city of neighborhoods, and she, you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: is big in the Richmond the sort of more working class,
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: somewhat more conservative, even though she's running as a progressive
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: an Asian American, heavily Asian American, that's hard to pull.
• 29:30
  Speaker 13: So I it's she's kind of been neck and neck
• 29:33
  Speaker 13: with Chuckerbardi for second place. Everyone believes Wiener is going
• 29:36
  Speaker 13: to get to the runoff. I think she has actually
• 29:39
  Speaker 13: a pretty good shot of getting in the second.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: I think so too.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: And you know, we reported over the weekend that one
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: of these super packs backing her, that network had gotten
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: a PAC money right, and it's created this big It's not.
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: Just her race.
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: There are actually three races in California that have gotten
• 29:56
  Speaker 13: money from the EDW fund.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Is the other one Vegas.
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: One of them is ready to wear Jasmy Banes.
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: So this is a really interesting race because there are
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: only three people on the ballot, so two of those
• 30:08
  Speaker 13: three are getting in. One is the incumbent, David Valdeo.
• 30:11
  Speaker 13: This is a swing seat, but it's a weird swing seat.
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: It's not a swing seat field. Yes, it's Central Valley.
• 30:19
  Speaker 13: It's one of the poorest seats in the entire country.
• 30:22
  Speaker 13: It's one of the highest concentrations in Medicaid in the
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: entire country. Valdeo famously voted said he would not vote
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: for Medicaid cuts and then did vote for Medicaid cuts.
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: So he's in huge trouble in this race. And it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: seventy three percent. Hispanic Democrats have never run a Hispanic
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: candidate in this race, which is crazy. Right, they love
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: identity politics right therecept here, So Viegas is one, but
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: he's progressive, populous, endorsed by Bernie and Jenny.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: Pollocks unless you're a populist right.
• 30:55
  Speaker 13: And Jazzmy Baines is an Indian American. She's a conservative
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: member of the state Assembly. She's voted. She voted against
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: Prop fifty, which is crazy. She voted against you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: the offset of the Texas Jerry Mander. But she also
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: has voted substantively in a host of ways with corporate interests.
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: She actually has received corporate pack money from this from
• 31:21
  Speaker 13: fifty three of the same packs that Valdeo has received
• 31:24
  Speaker 13: corporate back money from.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: And so this is a support of Washington Democrats, like
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: the D Triple C.
• 31:29
  Speaker 13: D tripleC came in put her on the red to
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: blue program that incensed locals in the district who actually
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: had been, you know, sort of the local Democratic clubs
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: and stuff have been on Viegas's side. So this is
• 31:43
  Speaker 13: a real soul of the party race. I think it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: one of the most interesting races on the ballot. Who
• 31:48
  Speaker 13: can win in a swing seat, but a very particular
• 31:51
  Speaker 13: kind of swing seat is that a progressive populace who
• 31:54
  Speaker 13: can grow the base and who can speak to the
• 31:57
  Speaker 13: actual depravity that is going on in the district. Or
• 32:02
  Speaker 13: is it the usual moderate Republican find a corporate democrat.
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: And this is the fascinating race where the Jasmine Baines
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: had said that Israel was committing a genocide Gaza and
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: then the d tribrac and democratic majority of Brisweill come
• 32:16
  Speaker 9: into support her, and she's like, oh, I misheard the question.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: I don't mean that. It's not as if she doesn't
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: know what a genocide is. She right famously sponsored a
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: resolution in California declaring the massacre of like thirty to
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: fifty thousand Sikhs in India to be a genocide. So
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: that's a genocide, but multiples of that that we've got
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: mar kapinejar he probably.
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: This is So this race I have some connection to
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: because I've spent part of my year in Palm Springs
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: and in Prop fifty they changed the district, so this
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: was Daryl Isis district.
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: It was based in San Diego.
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: So in the gerrymander they took a little sliver and
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: went up to Palm Springs and made that part of
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: the district, which is a Democratic vote sink. So I
• 33:10
  Speaker 13: was there in the last week and I saw no evidence.
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: That there was an election going on.
• 33:16
  Speaker 13: All of the candidates are from the San Diego part
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: of the district, the Democrats. I was at multiple events
• 33:22
  Speaker 13: where you know, people who are Democrats are all over
• 33:28
  Speaker 13: the place, and the Democrats should be there to try
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: to get votes in the last week before the election,
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: and no one was there and nothing was involved. The
• 33:37
  Speaker 13: only person, you know, it is about half dozen Democrats running,
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: the only one with any connection to Palm Springs. His
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: only previous race was for Lieutenant governor of Vermont, so
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: not much connection to the Democratic part of the district.
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: And you know, Compeanajar, it's a kind of a comical story.
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: Every two years he runs in a different way. Is
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: the boyfriend of Sarah Jaego, Sarah Jacob's family, heir to
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: the qualcom fortune. Has put together a huge super pack
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: on his behalf.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: That's very nice. They're not even married.
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: There is a very strong possibility that the top two
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: Republicans that we are feared that you know, Democrats are
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: fearing in the in the gubernatorial race, that that happens
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: in this race, there are two Republicans running at about
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: seven or eight Democrats, and this is one of the
• 34:30
  Speaker 13: five seats that under Prop fifty, Democrats thought they were
• 34:34
  Speaker 13: going to pick up, and when Isa dropped out, they
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: thought even more so. But Democrats found Republicans found a
• 34:40
  Speaker 13: viable alternative city councilor from a Borts County supervisor in
• 34:44
  Speaker 13: San Diego named Jim Desmond, and he's going to be
• 34:48
  Speaker 13: a tough out even if a Democrat makes the top two.
• 34:51
  Speaker 13: And then you know there's this dynamic where they might
• 34:54
  Speaker 13: actually split the split the vote and not succeed.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: All right, we got to go to La mayor while
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: we still love you. All right, let's do this all quickly.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: We can start. We have some of the closing ads
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: from the major candidates here. We've got Spencer Pratt, the
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: online sensation.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 35:12
  Speaker 16: I want to speak to those of you who are
• 35:13
  Speaker 16: considering voting for Nythia Rahman but haven't yet. Obviously, you
• 35:17
  Speaker 16: and I are in the same place. We all agree
• 35:19
  Speaker 16: that Karen Bass has failed the city as mayor and
• 35:21
  Speaker 16: we need change with not doing and for a moment
• 35:25
  Speaker 16: you thought Nythia would be an alternative, but since she
• 35:28
  Speaker 16: collapsed at the debate.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to respond.
• 35:34
  Speaker 16: And she's run a very weak campaign. She's doing live
• 35:37
  Speaker 16: streams with the hateful, radical anti semi Hassan piker who
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: believes we deserve nine to eleven. You've accepted the reality
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: that she's not going to advance past the runoff. At
• 35:47
  Speaker 16: this point, voting for Nythia is a wasted vote. It's
• 35:49
  Speaker 16: me versus Karen. It's changed versus more of the same.
• 35:52
  Speaker 16: More homeless drug addicts in front of your schools, more
• 35:55
  Speaker 16: animals being tortured and killed on the streets and infra
• 35:57
  Speaker 16: city shelters, more empty reservoirs when the wildfires hit, more potholes,
• 36:02
  Speaker 16: more of your favorite restaurants going out of business, no
• 36:04
  Speaker 16: new housing getting built. You can either vote for me
• 36:07
  Speaker 16: to change all that insanity, or you can see Karen
• 36:09
  Speaker 16: Bass visit more destruction on our city, and you can
• 36:12
  Speaker 16: watch your social group eroad as your friends moved to
• 36:15
  Speaker 16: Nashville or Miami or Austin. It's no longer a questioned
• 36:18
  Speaker 16: about me or Nythia or Karen. Nthia has no path
• 36:20
  Speaker 16: to victory now. She talks about the city being broken,
• 36:23
  Speaker 16: but she's been in city leadership for six years and
• 36:25
  Speaker 16: failed to do anything. She is incredibly unpopular in her
• 36:29
  Speaker 16: own district. She's not managed to accomplish anything in city council,
• 36:32
  Speaker 16: and she's been the chair of the Homelessness and Housing
• 36:34
  Speaker 16: Committee for years. She's literally the one in charge of
• 36:37
  Speaker 16: homelessness in La. How she doing? Folks look around, all
• 36:41
  Speaker 16: of us know Nythia doesn't have it in.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Her Interesting, you know, Spencer Pratt.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: They are basically trying to pitch to the leftists who
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: would support Nitya Rahman, but also going after Hassan Piker.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Not really a strategy I would go with for the
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: DSA crowd.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, exactly.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: He should be like, you know, don't over because we
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: all hate Karen Bass and this is a message for that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: So I mean, what do you make you know you
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: live in the area. The Pratt phenomenon which you're saying
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: is entirely online. I'm inclined to believe you, but tell
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: us about it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: I feel it's a pretty online phenomenon. I mean, I
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: think that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: Californians or Los Angelinos are definitely dissatisfied with Karen Bass.
• 37:25
  Speaker 13: And when the race was setting up, it looked like
• 37:29
  Speaker 13: nobody sort of viable was going to challenge her. Pratt
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: has sort of leveraged the online stuff, and Rahman was
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: not expected to run. She actually it was a surprise
• 37:42
  Speaker 13: run at the very last minute, about you know, an
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: hour before the registration closed.
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: She comes in and decides to run.
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: And she's you know, she was the first candidate of
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: DSA to win a city council district. She beats a
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: sort of middle of the road guy in that district.
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: But she has sort of broken with DSA on certain issues,
• 38:08
  Speaker 13: particularly around housing, but other issues as well, and she
• 38:12
  Speaker 13: didn't get their endorsement that they I think DSA said
• 38:15
  Speaker 13: they'd recommend her. There is actually a DSA a member
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: who is running, a woman named ray Huang, who Ramen
• 38:23
  Speaker 13: has you know, sort of behind the scenes, been trying
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: to push out of the race.
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: She's asked her to get out of their ads. So yeah, no,
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: Yong is still a race.
• 38:34
  Speaker 13: So I feel like strategically, there are a lot of
• 38:39
  Speaker 13: Democrats thinking, okay, Bess, you know, as an incumbent's she's
• 38:43
  Speaker 13: damaged goods, but she's probably going to get into the runoff.
• 38:47
  Speaker 13: So I'm sitting here, My choices are either Spencer Pratt
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: or Nathia Rahman. So we can have the conversation of
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: who would be better for California and Los Angeles later
• 38:57
  Speaker 13: and we vote for Raman there. The latest poll actually
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: shows it almost a three way tie.
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: Interesting Bass at.
• 39:06
  Speaker 13: I think twenty six, Ramin at twenty five, and Proud
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: at twenty two.
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: That's That's the last thing funny strategic voting ended up
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: pushing Bass to third.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: Would be fine with a bunch of Bass supporters end
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: up voting. Are there are there any?
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: Are there Republican districts that creep into LA because if
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: there's two Democrats on the on the mayor's belot that also.
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: Los Angeles is a big I mean in terms of
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: when you're thinking about it, it's not just the city itself,
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: but actually parts of the San Fernando Valley, which are
• 39:38
  Speaker 13: more conservative.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Thirty percent of LA voted for Trump.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like that's totally lost in some of
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: this discussions like, oh my gosh, thirty percent support Trap.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that's there's Republicans los Angeles.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: It's not one.
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: Particularly, I mean the city.
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: When you talk about the San Fernando Valley, it's like
• 39:52
  Speaker 13: basically suburban, so that area you do have pockets of
• 39:57
  Speaker 13: Republican support.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: So if two Dems make the l a runoff, that's
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: like and also too Dems in the gubernatorial.
• 40:05
  Speaker 13: That's even more so for particularly for the billionaire attacks
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: in particular, that that would be a major factor and
• 40:14
  Speaker 13: it could very well happen. I mean, you know, I
• 40:17
  Speaker 13: think there's a perspective when you think about national politics
• 40:21
  Speaker 13: that you know, this this race, I've seen it compared
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: to the New York City mayor's race. Like you have
• 40:27
  Speaker 13: an Indian American uh uh, you know, democratic socialists going
• 40:33
  Speaker 13: up against an ossified kind of uh leader who hasn't
• 40:37
  Speaker 13: been very effective.
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: That's not how it's playing out.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: If there were any zor on of the race, it
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: would be Spencer however. But yeah, I mean I agree
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: with the national profile.
• 40:48
  Speaker 13: In terms of ability to get attention right and things
• 40:50
  Speaker 13: like Ramen has has run. You know, she wasn't well known,
• 40:54
  Speaker 13: particularly to the very democratic communities on the West Side.
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: She's from Hollywood Air area, and she's run a fairly
• 41:03
  Speaker 13: dispirited race. Like I haven't seen a big ground swell support.
• 41:08
  Speaker 13: I've seen more of that ground swell in specific city
• 41:11
  Speaker 13: council races where DSA is going up against incumbents rather
• 41:16
  Speaker 13: than with the mayor's rates itself.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: We have some of her last pitch. Let's take a listener.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: This city is a beacon of hope and opportunity for
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: so many around the world. But today Angelino's are losing hope.
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: High housing costs, job loss, tens of thousands of people
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: living on the streets, the terror of ice, and a
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: complete lack of preparation for emergencies. We have a mayor
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: who's failed to leave this city, and on the other hand,
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: a right wing extremist powered by maga's channeling people's frustrations
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: about this city into fear and anger and hatred. They're
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: relying on your indifference. We can bring La back to
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: what it really is, one of the most creative, most beautiful,
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: most hopeful places in the world, but only if we
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: come together and fight for it. Every single vote matters
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: on June second, because this these future is absolutely worth
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: fighting for, and I know, I know we can build
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: that future together.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Why would they zoom out on my crowd, its smallest crowd,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: fifty people.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I can't paid one on one man, all right?
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, in terms of what I'm looking at right now, odds,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: et cetera, it does look like it might be Pratt
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: or is Pratt bass, But yours seem to think that
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: there's a decent enough shot of her.
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: I think there's a decent shot that she advances. It's
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: it's a difficult race. I mean, I think Los Angeles
• 42:43
  Speaker 13: is going through problems that are beyond the.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: Political Hollywood collapsing.
• 42:48
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's this is an industry town where the industry
• 42:51
  Speaker 13: is gone. It's basically a ross belt community if you
• 42:53
  Speaker 13: think about it in that sense. But like in yeah,
• 42:57
  Speaker 13: I mean I know so many people, you know, I
• 42:59
  Speaker 13: came from from doing TV production.
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: I know so many.
• 43:02
  Speaker 13: People have just left or gotten into another job.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Then why is your real estate market keep going on?
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: It's a different issue.
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: I mean there's still a sort of storehouse of wealth,
• 43:14
  Speaker 13: but there isn't the sort of middle class wealth that
• 43:16
  Speaker 13: came not just from Hollywood but also from airspace, which
• 43:20
  Speaker 13: those factories have closed too. I mean that's more historical
• 43:23
  Speaker 13: and goes back forty to fifty sixty years, but more recently,
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: runaway production and sort of the end of peak TV
• 43:30
  Speaker 13: has made it really difficult for.
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: Los Angeles to maintain.
• 43:37
  Speaker 13: Homeless population is actually down in Bass's four year term,
• 43:41
  Speaker 13: but the Palisades fire has become this huge avatar for her,
• 43:47
  Speaker 13: and the inability to rebuild after that has been really
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: debilitating for her chances.
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: It's a definitely affair.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Last thing here closing message from Karen Bash as she
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: was doing an interview.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: Well, I think for.
• 43:59
  Speaker 17: The undecideds to understand that they have a choice to make,
• 44:03
  Speaker 17: and that choice is a Reality TV villain. Really, how
• 44:08
  Speaker 17: did that work.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: For us on a national level?
• 44:10
  Speaker 17: That's one choice. The other choice is a city council
• 44:13
  Speaker 17: person who's been in city hall twice as long as
• 44:16
  Speaker 17: I have. To me, that's one of the most important
• 44:19
  Speaker 17: issues in our city is people feeling safe. You can't
• 44:22
  Speaker 17: feel safe that there's an encampment there. It's not safe
• 44:25
  Speaker 17: for the people in the encampment and it's not safe
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: for the people around.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: How do you do business?
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been a little pratty and rhetoric there. I
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: don't really I mean, I don't know what's going on
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: with this whole thing, but.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't get it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: David.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I think looks like he's gonna win.
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: I think there's a through line with Bass and Bisera actually,
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: and it's a certain style of political leadership that you
• 44:47
  Speaker 13: see in California that they don't get really tested in
• 44:53
  Speaker 13: very many races. They're kind of anointed, they're moved through
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: the system.
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: And you know, not.
• 45:02
  Speaker 13: Being effective is not a hindrance to moving up through
• 45:08
  Speaker 13: the institution.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: It's a machine problem.
• 45:10
  Speaker 13: That's a real problem I think in California politics, and
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: why I think you're seeing most Democrats I think just
• 45:18
  Speaker 13: sort of underwhelmed by the choices in front of them
• 45:22
  Speaker 13: and really despairing of what they have to deal with. Now,
• 45:27
  Speaker 13: I would say that Steyer is actually speaking to some
• 45:29
  Speaker 13: of the real issues in the state. He's talking about
• 45:33
  Speaker 13: Prop thirteen and how that has created this historical underfunding problem,
• 45:39
  Speaker 13: particularly for local communities. So he's talking about changing the
• 45:43
  Speaker 13: commercial property valuations. He's talking about healthcare becoming too expensive
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: and needing to move to a single pair system. He's
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: talking about some of the things that historically, I think
• 45:56
  Speaker 13: would help Democrats actually move into a better place. But yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 13: I think there's a larger problem in California where you
• 46:06
  Speaker 13: know it, not knowing anything is not a development that
• 46:11
  Speaker 13: is going to be a problem for you in politics.
• 46:13
  Speaker 13: And that's that's that's I think the larger thing that
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: we're going to see play out today.
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: People talk about breaking up California just to get some
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: extra senators and break it up because they it's kind
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: of a failed experiment.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: Start over, break it up.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, Ryan, I like this idea.
• 46:29
  Speaker 13: I mean it's sad because the you know, you have
• 46:32
  Speaker 13: the master plan of education, you have real real advances
• 46:36
  Speaker 13: in uh, the environmental sector and renewable energy. You have
• 46:42
  Speaker 13: the fact of non compete agreements ye, creating a burgeoning
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: amount of innovation from Silicon Valley. Uh, They're they're the
• 46:51
  Speaker 13: elements here for for really an incredible continuing series of
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: innovation and change and a sort of way in which
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: californ and you can lead the way.
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: It's just its political system is kind of inert.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Sad, very sad, even though it is the most, in
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: my opinion, the most beautiful state.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: Quite beautiful.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: All right, thank you so much David for joining us.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: We appreciate your time. Man, It really really great to
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: do a deep dive into all this. We have a
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: big audience in California, so they'll be happy that we
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: finally spend a lot of time on it. Thanks, Man,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: appreciate your time. Thanks, thank you very much. Ryan appreciate
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: you Man. Dave, and you Dave, who's still here. We
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: were pretending that he's not just TV magic, it's TV magic.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: They'll be riding Emily on tomorrow, so they'll see you then.