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Carl Kerby & Bub Kuns: New Ways To Reach Kids With Truth · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to Worldview Matters.
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  Discussing controversial issues.
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  Discerning current events.
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  Defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic.
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  Off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazzo.
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  Friends, family in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in to another podcast.
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  We are already zooming through September.
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  Hard to believe, but it's just the way it goes, and now we're into fall.
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  I love it.
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  I'm kind of tired of the warm weather in the summer.
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  I know that offends some of you, but please continue to watch and listen.
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  I've got two guests today, so bonus from the ministry Reasons for Hope, the website r4h.com, r4h, F-O-R.
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  dot com and i've got carl kirby and bub coons with us two gentlemen and we have a bonus from them today so guys welcome to worldview matters so good to see you both
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  Thank you, brother, for letting me be here, man.
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  It's awesome to be with you.
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  Yep, it's going to be good.
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  So you guys, first of all, you have a lot of new stuff coming out.
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  Carl's got something.
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  Bub's got something.
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  But I do want to mention, I really enjoyed my interview with you guys when you had me on the Debunked Files.
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  It was a great conversation.
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  Candice was a part of that.
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  There it is.
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  We have the four box going on that show.
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  That was a lot of fun.
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  I really enjoyed just talking to each one of you.
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  And it was better than what it felt like when we were doing it.
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  When I watched it, I'm going, wow, it flowed really well.
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  So I want to just direct people to that.
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  That is on your YouTube channel.
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  And so I want to make sure you guys go to Reasons for Hope
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  I do want to mention get debunked.org.
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  You've got a new one coming out.
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  But before we get to that, some of the stuff you guys cover.
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  I scroll down on this page.
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  Dinosaurs disprove the Bible.
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  There are more than two genders debunked.
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  And then this one was interesting.
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  All consensual sex is okay with God.
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  I mean, that's what our culture thinks.
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  But, guys, you do not shy away from any topic.
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  So these are, of course, debunked.
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  But they're high-flying videos.
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  Carl, why don't you just touch on that?
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  And then I want to get just Bub's take on one of our things we say at the beginning of the show of Worldview Matters.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And you guys can say the same thing.
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  Carl, go ahead.
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  Yeah, no, you have to go after these things because that's what this younger generation is coming at us with.
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  I mean, literally, when we do our camps, we hand out index cards and a box and say, whatever question's keeping you from selling out, write it down, turn it in.
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  And that's what we address.
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  And so those turn into a number of them are turning into debunks.
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  Now, the consensual sex one is interesting because, look, we had to deal with homosexual sin, right?
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  We had to deal with it.
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  But here's the thing.
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  Bub did such a good job of pointing out the fact that, look, we get called homophobe.
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  You're a homophobe.
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  You're a homophobe.
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  I'm not a homophobe.
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  I'm a sex-outside-of-the-bounds-of-biblical-marriage-phobe, right?
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  And so what we had to do was let's take and address this issue, and it does deal with homosexual sex, but guess what?
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  Adultery, fornication.
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  It's all sexual sin, and we're not going to grade each one of them.
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  And I think Bub did a phenomenal job of addressing a tough topic that some people don't want to address, including me.
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  But we have to.
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  This world wonders, and we have to speak the truth.
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  So, Bob, let's get your take on that, too.
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  I appreciate you guys and everything that you tackle, man, especially for young people today growing up in a culture that's less and less and less biblically literate, especially even in the church.
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  Bob, go ahead.
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  Go ahead.
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  Well, I mean, it's always interesting to tackle a giant issue in under five minutes with animation to try to be fun and also get God's take on this, his premises and his principles and all the biblical knowledge that I'm researching to try to squeeze this into five minutes.
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  But yeah, all sin outside, all sex outside of the boundaries that God has set.
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  a man and a woman in a covenantal relationship and marriage is sinful.
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  And, you know, like Carl said, not one is better than the other, like a higher center or this one and that one.
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  And let's be really honest.
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  I mean, if, if sex money and power are the big three, I think for men, I'll be honest with me, the sex one is a really, really tough one, right?
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  That's a, and especially for someone like me, who's been married, my wife passed away and to be, you know, if we get personal, haven't had sex since 2021, right?
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  So it's a tough topic, but this is God's standard for how we should live, and we ought to honor him in all that we do.
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  Fail or not fail, we should come back and repent and get help or whatever it is, because there's so much sexual addiction out there and so many sexual things that people—
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  they get into and it ruins their life.
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  And so these things, these things, we might be tongue in cheek about them, but they're extremely, extremely important.
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  And that's why we tackle them.
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  We're trying to give people the hope of the gospel and who Jesus is, not just tear everybody down.
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  That's why there's humor in them.
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  That's why I attack myself.
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  That's why we throw stuff at people to say, everybody just relax.
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  Let's just talk about what the Bible says and then just get
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  Well, thanks, Bob.
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  And David, you talk about the top three.
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  This issue is in the top three of the questions that we get from the campers.
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  It's there.
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  Wow.
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  Well, on this topic, then let's continue this.
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  I wasn't planning on it, but I have a follow-up question.
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  I'm dating myself.
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  We're old school.
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  I'm old school.
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  When I was a little kid, it was Playboy.
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  Right.
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  And then something called the Internet came along.
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  And I'll tell you, kids today, if you've got an iPhone or iPad, they can do it, access it in school like at click of a finger.
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  Parents have to be so disciplined and really aware of what their kids are potentially getting into.
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  Carl, could you speak to that?
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  Because that will lead them right down the path of addiction.
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  And Carl, go ahead.
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  Absolutely, I'll be honest with you.
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  If I were a parent and had a younger child today, they would not have a smartphone, they'd have a phone if they had one that was so dumb, they could barely just talk on it, man, because they need to learn how to spell, no texting either, because R has an A and an E in there somewhere, so figure it out.
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  But we've turned that over to these young people, and let's be honest, when you look at the numbers, it is destroying us.
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  We're talking pastors have problems with pornography, we're talking leaders, Christian leaders have problems
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  every camp that I go to, I've got in my wallet, I carry my wallet.
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  I was at a camp, not a camp, a school, a Christian school.
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  Young man comes up to me.
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  How do I deal with this, this, and this, and pornography?
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  And it's like everywhere I go, you're getting this.
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  And so, yes, the internet has, to me, destroyed a generation because any young person that has access to this device
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  is involved with this.
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  And I hate to say that, but my son is a youth pastor.
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  And I told my son, I was down in California.
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  My son came back to me and said he had been at a camp where they were working with a lot of just the leaders.
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  And he talked to all those leaders and they said, every young person that had a smart device was involved in pornography.
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  I said that at Calvary Chapel, Fort Lauderdale when I was speaking down there.
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  A school teacher, well, he's a pastor, but he's a teacher at the school.
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  He went to his son who goes to this premier Christian school.
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  I mean, it's one of the top Christian schools in Florida.
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  He asked his son, how many of your peers that have a smartphone are involved in pornography?
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  That boy, without skipping a beat, said every one of them.
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  It's here.
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  It's an issue.
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  And we have to deal with it because it is destroying a generation.
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  Well, how is it on the parent?
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  I guess it starts at home, right?
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  Bub, do you want to tackle that one?
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  Well, it's interesting that you say that because when I was born, somewhere in the 60s and stuff, and my dad was, I don't want to take anything away from him.
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  He's a great dad.
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  Didn't become a believer until the 80s.
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  So this is part of an explanation.
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  The reason I would bring this up, I probably wouldn't bring it up if he wasn't saved and didn't repent of it, but he had Playboys everywhere.
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  They were stashed away in the attic, and my brother and I got a hold of them when we were pretty young.
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  And, and as what, what's the word to say is, uh, things are much nastier and much worse than that.
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  That was just naked women.
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  I don't, I don't want to just say that was just, but it wasn't porn to the point where people were having sex and doing bizarre stuff.
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  And it's, it's, you know, worse and worse and worse.
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  So it, but I'll tell you what, it affected me greatly.
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  it, it, it, it, it's something in my mind when I, early on, I started, there's no way to really say it, but objectifying women.
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  It's just like, you're beautiful or you're not.
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  I liked a beautiful woman.
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  And I, I wasn't looking at the soul of a person or, or who of the person at all.
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  I was just attracted to, to beauty and, and to, to lust quite honestly.
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  And that kind of started that, started that journey.
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  Um,
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  of going down the wrong path, right?
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  And then I did become a pastor.
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  I never got into porn, never did any of that stuff, but was always massively affected just by the images I saw on the pages.
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  I couldn't imagine watching movie after movie after a movie
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  and getting that in your head where you just can't get it out of your head.
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  And that's all you think about.
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  So I actually think it's, it's hugely on the parent when you're in the household, when you're eight up to 18, there's no way my kids getting a smartphone.
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  There's no way I'm going to hand them an addicting device.
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  kind of tool or an open gateway to anything.
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  They're just going to have to live with it and be mad at me.
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  But that's the way that's the way it goes.
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  I think that's just a gateway to horrible things.
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  And the rest is monitoring your kids' friends.
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  I mean, we got it.
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  We got to do that.
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  We got to.
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  I don't want to be the parent that gets in.
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  That's your job right now is to protect your kid, train your kid and defend your kid against all this stuff.
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  And we got to do it.
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  That's the that's the cost of being a good biblical parent.
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  Great conversation, guys.
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  I love what you said, Bob.
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  I do want to mention something that I, an observation maybe I have.
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  We think of great Christian leaders that have had influence on our country, and I think of, through the decades, half a century, Billy Graham.
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  I think, can I think of others?
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  James Dobson.
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  Wow.
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  Ray Comfort.
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  And maybe it gets harder and harder to think of more.
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  But you think of the ones, if you go back 100 years, that have had a detrimental impact on America and sexually.
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  I think of Margaret Sanger.
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  I think of Alfred Kinsey, and I think of Hugh Hefner, and you could go into Hollywood, and you could go.
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  So, and how do you overcome that?
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  Because it is everywhere.
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  And there's a university, I think it's Indiana University.
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  They've got an Alfred Kinsey building or something, and they got a whole curriculum.
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  And this is nuts.
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  This is stuff that the Bible is absolutely opposed to and says this is sin.
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  But yet our culture just goes along with it.
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  I don't know.
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  So maybe, Carl, could you speak to that?
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  Maybe how do parents, because they're going to get it.
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  If they don't get it, once they get out of high school at 18, they're going to go to one of these universities.
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  And you know what?
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  They're going to be fed there.
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  So, Carl, go ahead and speak to this briefly.
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  Well, I mentioned one other person that just passed away, Gloria Steinem, she just passed away.
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  You talk about somebody that had a major impact on this issue, she is a lady that had that impact, unfortunately, in the negative sense.
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  Yeah, it's, look, I put it like this, you know, parents, it's no fun.
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  We have to make the tough call, and when our children are struggling with issues, and they are going to struggle with issues, especially in this world where Satan doesn't play fair, he's going to come after them, he's going to take things that don't look good and make them look amazing.
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  And if we don't address those things, if we, you know, I put it like this, I had an interesting conversation with a transgender guy once and he was hot at me.
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  And when I started talking with him, it was like, finally, I just got to the point where I was like, look, true love, if I genuinely believe what I'm telling you right now, and I believe that your lifestyle choices, regardless of what they are, because I'll talk to anybody that's making lifestyle choices that are gonna separate them from a holy God, I'll talk to them the same way.
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  If I genuinely believe that your lifestyle choices are going to separate you from a holy God for all eternity, true love is willing to look you in the eye and tell you there are consequences to the decisions you're making and the lifestyle choices you're making.
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  I don't want you to go through those consequences.
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  True love will not pat you on the back and tell you that you're okay when this is going to hurt you.
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  And so I think parents, we have to love our children enough that, oh, they're just a good kid.
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  They're going through a phase.
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  No, they're sinners.
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  They need a savior.
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  His name is Jesus.
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  And even the saved need to be called out when we start stumbling and falling off track.
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  So parents just love your children enough to be honest with them and shoot them straight and show them that here's the consequences to these actions.
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  It's not going to go good.
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  That's just all there is to it.
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  We have to do these things.
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  Yeah.
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  And, and Bob, you made a good point.
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  Also your, your young son or daughter's friends can also, I mean, if they don't have an iPhone, your, their friends are going to have iPhones.
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  All right, let's move on the conversation where this is going by very, very fast, but I appreciate both of you.
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  Um, Bob, tell us about flat earth debunked.
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  We recently saw the astronauts up there going around the world around.
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  They took pictures of the earth.
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  To me, it looked round.
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  I don't know.
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  Tell us about this next debunk that's coming out.
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  That's a conspiracy.
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  David, you're so fooled.
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  Conspiracy.
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  You're so easily fooled thinking that astronauts went up there and took real pictures.
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  You're so gullible.
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  I can't believe that you would trust astronauts and the entire space community and every organization in the world and every picture from the satellite.
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  I mean, I can't believe we fall for all that.
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  Now, okay, so the flat Earth thing is one of these things that I can't believe we had to do.
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  I get the sex thing.
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  There's a lot of stuff and a lot of temptation, but...
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  But having to do a flat earth video, in fact, Carl called me and I'm like, really, this is one we have to do.
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  And it was, and we did.
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  And so we're going to release it on the 18th to the public and have a debunk files about it with somebody on that knows a lot about more than we do.
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  But our whole approach was, what do they say?
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  And then let's go one by one and go, let's try to debunk or at least give a reason why that might happen.
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  So it's a cumulative approach.
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  And at the end of the day, massive skeptical people, you can't convince.
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  They're skeptical about everything except their skepticism is what I always say.
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  And so it's...
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  It just, you can't sit down and reason with them.
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  What we're trying to hope to do is, with all debunks, is there's people on the fence, there's Christians that may not understand something, and then there's skeptics that are reasonable, and they'll listen and go, oh, okay, that's a good point, and maybe they'll change their mind.
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  It's so hard to change...
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  Like J. Warner Wallace says, there's ones and fours on both sides, and you're never going to convince them of anything.
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  It's going to be the Lord's miraculous work.
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  The twos and threes are somewhat reasonable.
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  Those are the people you can have conversations with.
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  So we know we're going to get a ton of flack.
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  More so than the ones on sex.
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  We're going to get 10 times more on this than when we stand on God's moral standard of sex.
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  But we're taking it on.
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  And the next one is about aliens.
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  And the next one's about Islam.
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  So we're going to have a lot of fun this year.
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  Wow, yeah.
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  Yeah, a lot of fun.
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  Yeah, you're going to get a lot of comments and emails.
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  Before we jump to, because time's going by fast, the Gospel League.
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  Carl, you mentioned something in an email about camp season being over.
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  Can you sum up just some of the experiences you've had maybe for our audience?
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  Oh my goodness.
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  We had such an amazing year.
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  I'll give you two really quick stories.
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  One, we had a group came in North Carolina, over 30 young people that were absolutely unchurched.
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  I mean, completely, totally unchurched.
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  And I just got a report yesterday that a minimum of four of them have made very serious professions of faith.
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  So, you know, four out of 30, that's not huge, but to me, that's absolutely huge.
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  And one, another story, this young lady, she came up, we're in Montana on a, it was Wednesday night.
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  Wednesday night is usually the big turning point at our camps.
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  You know, the first two days we're checking everything out.
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  Then Wednesday, it's like the Holy Spirit just starts opening hearts and minds.
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  Young lady comes up and she just hands me and I'll show it to you.
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  I actually brought it down here.
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  She hands me this.
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  And you're like, it's a pencil sharpener, Carl.
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  Yeah.
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  No, if you notice on the inside, the screw has been taken out and the razor blades are just floating in there.
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  This was the device that she was using to cut herself with.
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  And then people would just look at that and just think, oh, it's just a pencil sharpener.
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  No, this is what she was using to cut herself with.
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  And she came up and repented and turned her life over to Christ.
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  And so we've had it, I mean, young ladies, young men sobbing, I mean, literally sobbing,
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  This year, to receive the Lord, we've had Christians who came up fired up, like I'm in school, and these are the things that I were getting beat up with this year, and I can't wait to get back into school and give answers, not be jerks, not be belligerent, ignorant jerks, but give answers now why I believe that I say that I believe.
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  So we are blown out of the water with the responses that we get at our camps.
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  And next year,
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  We've already got three booked.
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  We're working on number four right now.
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  So God is good.
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  And we are so appreciative of the opportunity to reach this next generation like that.
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  So to find out about your camps, is that under events at your website or where else?
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  Yeah, you can go to equipretreat.org.
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  Okay, equipretreat.org.
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  And it is changing.
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  We're gonna rebrand it.
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  We're moving to a new name.
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  I don't wanna release it just yet because it's gonna be a big reveal.
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  We're incorporating more discipleship next year.
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  Matter of fact, anybody that wants to be a speaker, I'm telling them, bring your talk.
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  You're gonna get up, you're gonna get five minutes, all the professional quote unquote speakers.
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  We're gonna sit, we're gonna listen, we're gonna critique, then I'm gonna sit with you and help you make your presentation even better.
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  Then you're gonna get up and give it in front of the whole group.
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  We are putting feet to the faith.
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  We're gonna have worship discipleship.
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  We're gonna have the ministry discipleship, so we're
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  fleshing all of that out right now.
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  So I cannot wait to reveal what we're going to be doing next year.
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  It's going to be unique.
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  That's awesome.
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  So Carl, I'm going to stay with you because you've got something coming out.
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  You're excited about, you know, kids love superheroes and comic books and you've got, uh, you've been, you've got a series of the gospel league and you're using, is it, is it a comic tracks?
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  Explain what that's all about and when that's coming out.
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  Well, if you're old like me and you grew up looking at those chick tracks, that's kind of what this is, a full-color chick track.
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  Because I was doing comic books initially, but you know how expensive to print a comic is?
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  Ridiculous.
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  So I had to go the track route.
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  And what we've done is we've created the Gospel League.
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  And when it comes to our faith, we need to know it, live it, share it, is what we say.
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  Well, I grew up with the Justice League.
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  Well, this is the Gospel League.
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  And so when it comes to know it, there's a character.
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  When it comes to live it, there's a character.
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  And when it comes to share it.
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  So each one of those attributes has a character.
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  And what they find is that in and of themselves,
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  can't be as effective as you can, should be, and need to be when you all three come together.
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  And so we're doing studies on it.
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  I've got five week studies for each one of those little tracks.
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  And I've got a guy that's teaching it right now.
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  I got it just literally five, 10 minutes before I came on here.
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  The guy sent me his report from doing the very first lesson.
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  He loved it.
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  He said it works.
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  The high school kids and junior high kids all got it.
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  And we're touching tough topics, man, about, you know, again, pride, ego, vanity, all of these things.
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  So it's a comic series.
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  You can see the Gospel League.
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  And people can see it just by going to gospel-league.com.
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  And the booklets, they'll be able to read the booklets absolutely, totally free.
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  There's going to be PDFs that they can download for the leader's guides.
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  I'm giving it all the way free.
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  I want people to use this stuff.
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  We will have all of the images if somebody wants to take and put the images into their presentation.
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  I'll have that as a digital download and ask for a love offering or something like that to help us cover expenses on producing all of that.
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  But brother, it's something that we're trying to put out there so people will use.
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  It'll also be in our app so that there's just tools that we want people to do ministry.
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  Awesome.
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  So gospel-league.org?
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  Oregon come, if I'm not mistaken.
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  I think we got them both.
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  Okay, that's great, guys.
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  Just thrilled about what you guys are doing, how you're using just all the different talents that God's given you.
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  So, Bob, I don't know if this is going to be something that Carl needs to speak to as well.
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  but you've guys got a new approach to what you're doing.
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  Tell us about that.
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  I think, Carl, you said that in an email.
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  I don't know if that was something that you were thinking about or the whole team is on board with this new approach.
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  Can you tell me more about that?
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  Well, yeah, I'll throw it back to Carl, but I think he's talking specifically about what used to be the equipped retreats.
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  We're changing those quite a bit and more to come on that.
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  But, uh, yeah, he he's, uh, Carl's our fearless leader that is always innovating and throwing a thousand new things out there.
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  You have to work hard to just like put your hands up to stop most of it and let the good stuff just kind of seep in and go, yeah, we can do those 19 things, but not these 340 things.
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  So it's great.
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  It's really exciting to have a leader like that because you don't want it the other way around where they just sit there.
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  And then you've got to get stuff out of them.
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  So Carl's always coming up with new things.
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  And this Gospel League thing is a lot of fun.
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  I'm actually doing a video version of it for book one.
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  So it'll be on the app so you can just watch the whole thing and the pages turn and all that kind of stuff and character voices and all the stuff.
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  So we're leaving no creative approach untapped to reach people with the gospel.
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  Awesome, as it should be.
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  Carl, it seems like you're one of those guys that you have vision and you're always thinking, always trying to create, and you just never stop.
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  But tell us about the—
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  Unless Bob covered it all, what the new approach that you guys are taking or what God's put on your heart.
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  Yeah, the way that you said it was very nice.
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  The way that these guys say it when I'm not around is like, dude, he's killing us, man.
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  There is that element, I guess.
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  Or a Wade, man.
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  Wade, he's like, oh, no, here's another idea.
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  Let's throw it in the shoebox, right?
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  Well, no, because what it is is when you're around this younger generation, you're seeing that things that we did five years ago don't work.
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  Things that we did three years ago don't work.
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  They're not asking the same questions.
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  As a matter of fact, the questions have shifted so much.
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  We're not going away from apologetics.
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  Please hear me on that one very clearly.
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  Apologetics is vitally important, and it's the foundation from which we can build our faith to be rock solid.
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  But the questions that we see and the apologetic questions that we see aren't necessarily like...
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  fact type questions, you know, like, well, how many times did this happen here?
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  Now it's really feelings.
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  I mean, I don't care how many facts you got behind, this is how I feel.
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  And feelings trump fact.
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  And so it's like, okay, we gotta deal with that type of a thing.
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  And so that's why to me, incorporating the discipleship component, it's like, okay, it's not just, all right, me, the area that I wanna take when we do our discipleship next year is the service component.
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  All right, because one of the things that I've always genuinely tried to do is to lead by doing.
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  I don't try to ask anybody to do anything that I haven't done or do.
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  And so we're gonna have the group that's coming in.
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  We're before every session.
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  This room is gonna be pristine.
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  The chair's gonna be lined up, trash off the floor, it's gonna be lined, it's gonna look good because I wanna, it's about me, no.
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  I want the Lord to look good.
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  So we have a motivation that's not for our pride or our ego, but to make the one that we're serving look good.
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  And so I want that service type project.
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  Every camp that we go to, camp.
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  We're here for a week.
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  What can we do for you while we're here this week?
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  What project can you give to us that our young people can come together so that at the end of the week, not only have you served us by feeding us and bedding and clothing, you know, whatever those things are, we want to serve you as well.
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  And to me, that's got to become a part of everything that we do.
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  Yes, we give the answers for the reason for the hope that lies within us.
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  We make this in fear.
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  We do that.
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  But we also serve.
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  And we do the know it, live it, share it components.
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  And that's what we're trying to incorporate in the camps.
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  When you do all three of those components, man, great things happen.
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  And I just believe that.
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  So I'll give you the last couple of words here, Bob, since you joined the conversation.
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  I love just talking with you guys, both of you guys.
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  And you say, know it, live it, share it.
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  Go ahead, Bob, whatever you want to talk about.
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  Well, I think those are the true things, the foundation of how R4H started, even back way when I started 15, 18 years ago, whenever it was, it was like, that's it.
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  I mean, you have to first know it.
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  You got to read your scripture.
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  You got to love God.
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  You got to do what it says, know it.
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  You got to live it, right?
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  Because if you're a hypocrite,
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  I mean, we all don't live it perfectly, and that isn't the point.
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  We fall, but when we fall, we repent because that's part of the biblical instruction.
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  So, yeah, we need to tell when people see us do something, and we need to repent.
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  We need to show all the principles of Scripture.
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  So when you live that out—a matter of fact, that's far more powerful sometimes when you live that part out of confession and repentance—
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  That people go, my goodness, this guy, he isn't perfect, but at least he's living up to it, not saying that, you know, oh, I didn't do anything wrong.
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  And then, you know, the share it thing is a big part of our hearts.
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  The apologetics without evangelism is incomplete, right?
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  The whole thing has to come together.
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  So when you know it and you love it and share it, or live it and share it, I always say love it and live it because it's kind of the same thing to me.
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  I stuck with love it.
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  It's interchangeable.
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  But yeah, that's the foundation of everybody on staff and the cornerstone of our ministry, obviously all built on Christ.
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  Appreciate you guys very, very much.
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  I just want to give the websites once again, r4h.com, getdebunked.org, and you can look them up on Facebook, Reasons for Hope U.S. on Facebook.
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  Guys, it went by super fast.
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  Lord willing, we'll continue this conversation in the near future.
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  Carl, Bub, God bless you both.
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  Thanks for your time.
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  Thanks, David.
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  Appreciate it.
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  Appreciate you, brother.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Friends, share this one.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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  See you next time.