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Frustration, missed calls and a bad series for the Tigers · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network texts podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Karen Steckley with.
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  Speaker 1: Me as always a man who can stand some calls
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  Speaker 1: but not others.
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  Speaker 2: He's coach Stevenaggan.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing doing good? Shout out to a J.
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  Speaker 3: Hinch getting a little upset getting the ejection. I think
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  Speaker 3: I think this kind of describes the whole road trip
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  Speaker 3: right here, right, you know, one in five you get
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  Speaker 3: swept at the hands of the Mets. It was bad,
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  Speaker 3: and we got to figure out a way to talk
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  Speaker 3: about that for about thirty minutes here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's go with like what's gonna be the
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  Speaker 1: leading topic of the game, And that's the call. Like
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  Speaker 1: we obviously we understand that, you know, the file score
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  Speaker 1: was the file score, but this was an impactful moment
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  Speaker 1: because you could have first and third with no outs
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  Speaker 1: or you know, one out with with the runner on first,
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  Speaker 1: and that, you know, just completely changes the dynamic of
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  Speaker 1: the situation, the approach you know from the pitcher, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, like everything like that. So like it's not
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  Speaker 1: like a nothing burger obviously, but I don't like, how
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  Speaker 1: could anyone be mad at Aj or have any pushback
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  Speaker 1: to how Aj acted in that moment, because there is
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  Speaker 1: not a like I was gonna say, there's not a
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  Speaker 1: single person that thought that the call should stand.
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  Speaker 2: There, Actually there was.
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  Speaker 1: There had to be at least one because that person
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  Speaker 1: made the call, so there had to be at least
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  Speaker 1: one person. What probably the only person on this planet
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  Speaker 1: that thought that gauge Workman was not conclusively on the bag,
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  Speaker 1: whereas everyone else watching that and no matter what colored
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  Speaker 1: glasses you were wearing, could definitively see that Gauge Workman
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  Speaker 1: was on the bag by the time that he was tapped,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't know any other way to describe it.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course you have the image of eight
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  Speaker 1: like the upfire who obviously like you know, like they
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  Speaker 1: have you know, the mic in or whatever, the earpiece,
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  Speaker 1: and so they're not facing this four, but it kind
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  Speaker 1: of looks funny because they're facing away from the scoreboard.
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  Speaker 1: The scoreboard has got the fat you know, the freeze
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  Speaker 1: frame of the replay where he is clearly there.
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  Speaker 2: He is clearly there. And also if I.
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  Speaker 1: Were, as I get worked up here for a second,
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  Speaker 1: if I were an umpire in that situation, you have to.
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  Speaker 1: I think there has to be some discretion about what
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  Speaker 1: the reaction is going to be, because you should be
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  Speaker 1: aware that, Okay, it's not his call, but this is
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  Speaker 1: probably not right. So if AJ says one thing, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that should be the automatic ejection, like ejection
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  Speaker 1: like it is in other situations.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like that, that.
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  Speaker 1: To me felt like kind of adding insult to injury
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  Speaker 1: in a way that Aj in that moment didn't deserve. Now,
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  Speaker 1: he he did earn it after that, and he got
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  Speaker 1: his money's worth, and I think I think Tigers fans
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  Speaker 1: appreciated that. But in that moment, I think you have
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  Speaker 1: to kind of be aware of the city situation, realize,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really this is not gonna go over. Well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe give them, you know, one to two senses and
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  Speaker 1: then we move on, you know what I mean? Because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think because AJ said f off, not like
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  Speaker 1: in the moment, not specifically to the umpire, I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think he was gonna keep talking after that,
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  Speaker 1: and but then.
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  Speaker 3: He got thrown So therefore it looked to me like
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  Speaker 3: it was just a more emotional reaction than they normally
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  Speaker 3: get it looked like you said, it's it's right there,
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  Speaker 3: you know, motioning out to the video board where where
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  Speaker 3: the call was indeed pretty clear, and someone a few
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  Speaker 3: train stops away in Manhattan obviously disagreed. So, yeah, would
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  Speaker 3: it have ended right there? I mean probably, But look,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes umpires don't like to hear chirping from the digout,
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  Speaker 3: especially after replay review. That's kind of part of their
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  Speaker 3: their training. And if you argue a call that's been
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  Speaker 3: under that has already been determined via the via review,
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna toss you. I I agree with your point,
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  Speaker 3: Like did he have to toss aj that quickly? Probably not?
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  Speaker 3: And the mic was still on he said it's not me,
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  Speaker 3: so it almost seemed like, you know, he was a
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  Speaker 3: little bit personally offended, But I don't know. I love
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  Speaker 3: George Lombard's face right here by the way, He's like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I'm about to have to manage, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna keep my cool, but I'm gonna point out something
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  Speaker 3: Chris mccowsky had pointed out, like this play the wintle
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  Speaker 3: Paras pick off played the very frustrating plays on a
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  Speaker 3: very frustrating day. The Tigers are still somewhat at fault
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  Speaker 3: for gauge workmen did not get a great read on
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  Speaker 3: that ball, and AJS somewhat defenditive postgames saying, hey, the
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  Speaker 3: read can look easier from the dugout or from TV,
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  Speaker 3: and that may indeed be true, But at the bottom
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  Speaker 3: line is gauge workman did not get the best read.
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  Speaker 3: Probably should not have been a close play at third
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  Speaker 3: wintle Pearis should not have got picked off. We're been
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  Speaker 3: close to getting picked off. So once again, like we're
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  Speaker 3: not talking about this if the Tigers execute small things better,
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  Speaker 3: but they didn't, and that caught up to them again
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  Speaker 3: in multiple ways throughout this series. This in this case
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  Speaker 3: that leads to their manager getting rejected ejected, excuse me, yes,
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  Speaker 3: it was like just a ridiculous call. All right, that
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  Speaker 3: was a ridiculous call the gauge workman at third base,
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  Speaker 3: but probably shouldn't have been in that position again to
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  Speaker 3: begin with. So I only have so much sympathy and
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  Speaker 3: then you end up losing I don't even remember what
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  Speaker 3: the final score was, ended up kind of getting your
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  Speaker 3: butt handed to you. So it's kind of much you
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  Speaker 3: do about nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like, ay, you're right, but b it's not much
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  Speaker 1: to do about nothing if you want to look at
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  Speaker 1: the grand scope of what the problem with replay is
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  Speaker 1: in the game itself, because there are too many instances
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  Speaker 1: in general of calls, you know, so I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: Tiger's way too obviously, of calls where it's like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't look clear and convincing to me, Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I tend to think that words matter. Clear
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  Speaker 1: and convincing is not the same definition for everybody, apparently,
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  Speaker 1: And then the fact that this took way too long,
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  Speaker 1: like way too long, Like if you want to implement
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  Speaker 1: a timer and it's like ninety seconds or something and
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  Speaker 1: you can't like I was still disagree in this specific instance,
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  Speaker 1: but like it like it was ninety seconds and you
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  Speaker 1: can't determine okay, cool call stance whatever, we all move on.
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  Speaker 1: This wasn't that instance, but the fact that it took
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  Speaker 1: too long, and again like in that moment, this game
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  Speaker 1: is in the balance and that is an impactful call,
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that now you lose your challenge for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the game. In theory, could have come
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  Speaker 1: back to bite the Tigers and the butt in a
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  Speaker 1: situation that yes, they put themselves into, but it was
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  Speaker 1: still blatantly wrong from an umpiring officiating standpoint. So like
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  Speaker 1: so the the broader issues will remain the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the season for every team in baseball if something like that,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you, like for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the season, any time there's a replay
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  Speaker 1: that looks clear and convincing to me, I'm gonna be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if Gage was out, then I don't know, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: say that on every single time because like like this
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be ingrained in my psyche that like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if that can go, if that call can be made
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  Speaker 1: on replay, then anything can be called.
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  Speaker 2: So he probably gave it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just due there, Like AJ, I think was appropriate
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  Speaker 1: to react the way he did, like a human reaction
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  Speaker 1: sometimes AJ as a trait. You know, it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, you know, overly calm, overly collected with his
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  Speaker 1: emotions in that time. I think it was justified to
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  Speaker 1: kind of be like kind of throw out of that
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  Speaker 1: caution to the wind, kind of the old ballplayer in
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  Speaker 1: him as opposed to the Stanford grad I guess would
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  Speaker 1: be a good way to describe it there, All right,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good spot right there, Cody.
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  Speaker 1: I think we could take a break and I will
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  Speaker 1: catch my breath, maybe drink a little bit of water,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll get to some other aspects of what
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  Speaker 1: clearly was a very disappointing week and met series for
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, let's give a little little
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  Speaker 1: leg room here, Cody to the man at the center
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  Speaker 1: of that play, and that's Gauge Workman, who you know,
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  Speaker 1: he obviously had the big moment on Sunday and then
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  Speaker 1: like to his credit, home three run, home run, had
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  Speaker 1: a double. Like, you know, there's a guy who clearly
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  Speaker 1: like has some hitting ability and it's kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: for now has carried over from Triple A into the
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  Speaker 1: major leagues. But at the same time I wrote i
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  Speaker 1: wrote this down, I was like, it's Gauge Workmen the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Detroit Tigers, because like, man, there's some
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  Speaker 1: exciting stuff in there, and then it's just like there's
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  Speaker 1: like just enough to kind of of disappointment that maybe
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  Speaker 1: you can't help but go to that maybe sooner than
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  Speaker 1: the good, if that makes sense, because obviously he didn't
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  Speaker 1: get the a great read on that plays, as you discussed,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's very fair criticism.
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  Speaker 2: But two just.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to call it, like at
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  Speaker 1: the risk of being like overly dramatic, kind of amateur
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  Speaker 1: throwing errors over the course of a series, including one
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  Speaker 1: where he just you know, sailed it to the glove
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  Speaker 1: side of Torque on a throw I don't know, was
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  Speaker 1: it twenty feet? Like clearly just like something weird there
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  Speaker 1: going is going on with his arm and hopefully it's
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  Speaker 1: not some sort of yip thing that comes up after this.
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  Speaker 1: But Gagees is an interesting cat because we probably would
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  Speaker 1: say that.
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  Speaker 2: Had he needed to have moments.
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  Speaker 1: Things are going wrong for the Tigers, and they are,
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  Speaker 1: but he is having moments. I don't know how the
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  Speaker 1: best talk about cage workman.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of feels like going back in time
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  Speaker 3: to twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two to me,
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  Speaker 3: where we're probably all, you know, the fan base as
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  Speaker 3: a collective is getting a little too excited about like
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  Speaker 3: a fringe prospect, and we're spending a lot of a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time and air talking about a guy who,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, is okay. And I don't want that
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  Speaker 3: to come off wrong. It probably already did. But like
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  Speaker 3: obviously we talked about this credit to Gauge Workman for
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  Speaker 3: getting himself to the major leagues as a Tiger. It
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  Speaker 3: was a long road here. He's improved a lot of things,
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  Speaker 3: become a more discipline hitter, whiffed a little less, really
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  Speaker 3: pushed the issue to get this opportunity, and he's already
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  Speaker 3: done some productive things. The two homers, that doesn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 3: The guy's got a big swing. There's some power in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I did kind of laugh, like I think ninety
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  Speaker 3: seven to one had a headline his Gauge Workman, the
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  Speaker 3: spark the Tigers need, and I'm just kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, well, the Cubs let him go as a
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  Speaker 3: rule five pick, and then the White Sox let him go,
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  Speaker 3: and like the Tigers once upon a time did not
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  Speaker 3: protect him. So that's basically three organizations that weren't all
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  Speaker 3: that high on him. He's probably not this spark that's
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  Speaker 3: going to save the Tigers season. He's a guy who's
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  Speaker 3: up here for a little bit and you hope he
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  Speaker 3: can be productive. Maybe he hit a few more homers,
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  Speaker 3: hopefully cut down on the mistakes, but we have already
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  Speaker 3: seen some high profile mistakes. You know what. That's okay,
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  Speaker 3: He's doing this for the first time. He's learning, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I hope he continues to improve and has a long
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  Speaker 3: career in the majors. But the idea that he's anything
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  Speaker 3: more than than a fill in right now, like is
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  Speaker 3: like there's probably not a lot of weight behind that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And again, like if they're you're really really digging deep
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  Speaker 1: into some broader issues, if you're trying to look at
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  Speaker 1: gauge workmen as like a spark for the Tigers, Like,
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  Speaker 1: he's a guy that haves some moments. A baseball season
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  Speaker 1: is full of guys that have moments that are cool.
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  Speaker 1: But you you know, water finds its level, as I
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  Speaker 1: often say, and and and it probably will for him too.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And that's okay, Like I said, he you know, you
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  Speaker 1: could say he won them a game, you know, so far.
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  Speaker 2: So that's that's a good that's.
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  Speaker 3: He does already have the same amount of homers as
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  Speaker 3: Kevin McGonagall, which is kind of crazy to think about.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it does, like, how how much longer until
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  Speaker 3: people start complaining that Kevin doesn't have more homers? I
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  Speaker 3: feel like we got to be nearing nearing that point.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good one. That's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, it's a long list of guys that you're
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  Speaker 1: wishing we have would have more home runs. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and by the way, another Kevin McGonagall, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, another day and never kept Kevin another Kevin
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  Speaker 1: McGonagall moment chasing down that shallow fly all and left field, like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if we're if we're gonna say something you know,
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  Speaker 1: positive about this weekend, it's like we you know, we
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  Speaker 1: got more evidence of a lot of things. One of
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  Speaker 1: them is that, like I think Kevin McGonagall can hold
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  Speaker 1: his own at shortstop for the time being, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and just kind of keep it there for right now.
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  Speaker 1: But like, certainly not a liability for a team that
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  Speaker 1: you know has several in the field obviously if you
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  Speaker 1: look at the defensive uh metrics.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to.
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  Speaker 1: Another, you know, one of the other few things that
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  Speaker 1: are positive about this team, Cody, and that's Riley Green,
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  Speaker 1: who just continues to rake he had two hits again today.
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  Speaker 2: And also had a walk.
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  Speaker 1: Riley Green, this is for the radio broadcast in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the game, so I don't know the number
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  Speaker 1: two change, but has a four to fifty one babbit.
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  Speaker 2: How do you like that? You like a like a
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  Speaker 2: you like a four to fifty one babbit?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: I guess I like it is you know, once, once
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  Speaker 3: I started seeing how high it was, it's like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: he might come back to or down to earth some now.
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  Speaker 3: The launch angle sweet spot percentage is high. He's hitting
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  Speaker 3: on the ball in the line a lot. That does
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  Speaker 3: bode well to sustain a somewhat higher babbit. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: four fifty one that that probably won't last forever.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we talked about a little bit like a last episode,
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  Speaker 1: and and I think, like maybe it's the same topic,
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  Speaker 1: but dude just keeps doing the same thing. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't mind kind of being a little bit repetitive. Is
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  Speaker 1: that like this is this is a player that right
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  Speaker 1: now like should be like ascending into some sort of
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  Speaker 1: like status, like you have an All Star appearance, then
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  Speaker 1: an All Star start, and then the next year, Like
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  Speaker 1: I think we should really kind of hold it to
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  Speaker 1: like if he's playing this way, we ought to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about him as an MVP candidate, not someone who's
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  Speaker 1: gonna win MVP because they know how those things Like
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy that should be when you go
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  Speaker 1: to his Baseball Reference page after the season should be
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  Speaker 1: like MVP dash, you know whatever, whatever place he gets in,
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  Speaker 1: and it should be a relatively small number.
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  Speaker 2: Is kind of is kind of what I'm getting.
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  Speaker 1: At here, because because he is a hitting machine, he is,
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  Speaker 1: as I said last time, probably hitting at about as
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  Speaker 1: natural and high overall level as possible. We know the
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  Speaker 1: defensive metrics aren't great, but we also know that he
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  Speaker 1: is a guy who can make highlight defensive plays in
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  Speaker 1: terms of public perception. That matters a lot in terms
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  Speaker 1: of getting people talking about you as a quote MVP
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  Speaker 1: type player.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, maybe the lack of home runs hurts.
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  Speaker 1: Him, but like overall, I think he's one of those
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  Speaker 1: guys where it's like, do you know ball? Do you
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  Speaker 1: think Riley Green should be in the MVP conversation? Like
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you check yes, then go over this side,
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  Speaker 1: check no, go to that side, because I think that
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  Speaker 1: the level of play that we're seeing.
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  Speaker 3: Out of them, Yeah, I look, he entered today with
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  Speaker 3: a one fifty eight WRC, plus he had a nine
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  Speaker 3: oh four ops. Those are numbers that will get your
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  Speaker 3: name on MVP belts. He is factually playing at that
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  Speaker 3: high of a level. And again that someone clipped it
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  Speaker 3: on our social media and that you know it said like,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: you know, is he an MVP discussion? And of course
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: someone responded like sarcastically, like that's ridiculous or whatever. I'm
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: not saying he's gonna win MVP. He's not gonna win
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: MVP over Aaron Judge or Bobby Witt Junior some of
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: these other players. But right now, is he a top
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: ten hitter in the American League? Like, yes, he is.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: He has been really good, as we've talked about, and
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: he deserves a ton of credit basically for his played
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: approach and for his swing decisions. Now, it's interesting you
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: point out the babbit And another interesting thing to point
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: out Riley Green's ops right now is nine oh six.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: His ops on July second of last year was nine
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: oh four. Riley Green had a nine oh four ops
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: entering July of last season, and we kind of all
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: know what happened after that. So there is still a
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: little bit of thought in your back of mind, how
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: long can he sustain it? The babbit like, he's probably
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: gonna hit a slump at some point, and how will
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: he handle that slump? Will he be able to get
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: himself out of it. Will he keep making these higher
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: level swing decisions, keep limiting the strikeouts, keep walking a
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: little more. If he does, They're right, I think this
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: guy's name can be on some as a down ballot
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: MVP vote getter. The defense is still kind of limiting
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: the war a little bit. But right now things are good,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: but it is a long season ahead. How much longer
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: can he sustain it? That's that's really the question. That's
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: not to take away from what he's doing right now,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: because what he's doing right now is really good at
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: a time where the team needs all the help it
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: can get. The next question is like, all right, how
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: long can you keep executing at this level at the play?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: So I just went right now and looked at the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: fan duel MVP odds uh And again, these these long
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: lists are kind of based on market of the marketability
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: of a player. Right There's obviously the guys at the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: top that you know are going to be in that conversation.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But Corey Seeger is a plus seven thousand, and he's
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: been in like what one seventy two right.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Now, it's been terrible.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: And uh Riley Green is that plus ten thousand cal
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Riley's at plus eight thousand, you know what I mean, Like, like, like,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: am I wrong to say that?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: This is ridiculous?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, Like he should be
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: higher up, like based on place thus far this season.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: That's really my main one.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if that's I don't know exactly how you calculate
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: those odds, but uh, but yes, I mean, yes, that's ridiculous.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Corey Seeker has done nothing, even cal Riley's done nothing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: He's now in the IL.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Let's see, I'm looking up whether you can you know
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: who's more likely to win an award Trek Schoogle, say
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: young or Riley Green MVP?
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: That's the question.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Well, that's actually a very interesting question. I'd probably say,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I guess, if I had to pick one, probably Riley.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think he's gonna win the MVP award.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I guess if Scooble really only misses a handful of
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: weeks and comes back and is actually dominant, that no
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: longer seems out of the realm of possibility either, So
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: there's probably not a point in spending a lot of
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: time on that. That's kind of an interesting question.
• 19:20
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  Speaker 1: All right, speaking of speaking of schoolvil Cody, we I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: guess can now say we I say we I had
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with this, but but Will Carrol, which,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: by the way, you guys should go back a list
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of the episode if you're curious about the procedure that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: school underwent, how unique it is, and obviously read your
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: story on the Athletic as well to you know, kind
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of get a grasp of what schools going through. But
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it was we you know, Will said like he was
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: told that Trek may be throwing or would have thrown
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Now it seems like we can say that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Terrek has started throwing or what's what's the update there?
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was able to confirm that he threw this
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: past week. Now I think it was just light catch.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: So there's a pretty big difference in gap between light
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: catch and pitching. But we'll set it. We'll said, he
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: heard that from Neil Latrash which is a happens to
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: be a pretty good source. I heard that from a
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: source as well, So it sounds like things are indeed
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: off to a good start for Trek's Schooble.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, good, I mean again, like you're just looking for
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: progress there and and and you know, it'd be nice
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: for the Tigers to win some games so we can
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: stop hearing the you know, in games without Trek Schooble
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: starting stats, you know, one and eight.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Since the injury. Not the greatest times being had there.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, and then I guess we're gonna see
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Casey Miz on Saturday. It seems like everyone's kind of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: like talking about it but also kind of tucking around
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: it a little bit, a little bit, a little bit
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of catch language there.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: You know, no starter are listed as of now.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. It seems like there's a strong
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: chance it's Casey Mice, which certainly would be a good thing.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting to bring a pitcher back without
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: any sort of rehab outing. But mys did this last
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: year after you missed some time with a hamstring strain,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: So there's no or there is indeed some precedent for this,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: particularly with Casey Mice if he never really had to
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: limit you know, his throwing because of the injury and
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: of his stuff metrically looked good enough in the bullpen
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: to think, Okay, he's normal then, especially given the state
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: of the team, And I think you have to take
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: that as a very good thing. Good luck, Casey, You're
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: coming back to a world of pressure. Just help carry
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: this rotation. Uh, just pitch like you did in four
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: of those first five starts. Just you know, we kind
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: of need six or seven clean every time out at
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: least until Scoop gets back. Good. Look.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I'll say, like if there's something
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: there's something to be said about, like kind of doing
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: your part. And you know, from ber Valdez, to his credit,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: did have a nice first first start back. So like
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: if you're you know, worried about carry over at least
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: for one game, that was that was not the case there.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to make mention of that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: But the larger point is, Cody, Casey my is potentially
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: coming back, great, Schooble, you know, getting back away a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: lot way sooner than potentially when we first heard the surgery. Great,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, those are just like one or
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: two guys, like when you have when you have fifteen
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: of them on the on the I l it's this
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: team is not one the two like starting pitchers as
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: great as Schooble is, as much as we like Casey
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: mice from like turning this thing around like it's it's
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: literally a team effort to kind of get this back.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And all you gotta do is just kind of look
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: at the roster as it stands right now and we
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: have it up. If you guys are watching on YouTube,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot here, Cody where I'm just.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, like I like that. That's really what
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: What I see, Like, you know, Zach Short starting at shortstop,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: It's like I really didn't want to be in a
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: position to be playing Zach Short this.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Much, you know what I mean, Like how you lee,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Let's he batting right now?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I just had it up, you know, he's he's batting
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: two away, first major league exposure. We talked about gauge workman,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of like, you know, with with this
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: roster as currently constructed. Ricky Banasko hasn't you know, have
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: been able to translate to the majors just yet. So
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and Manuel Dejesu's talking about hype Train's coming to a complete,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: complete halt. So that that's probably the most discouraging thing
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: because I think we if there's a lesson from what
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: we're experiencing right now, it's that, you know, maybe players
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: lead culture more than organizations because the culture we talked about,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the airs, the bad base running, like all these things
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that we ass even you know, we'll throw in aj
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Hitchkin an objective for the sake of this, like all
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: these things that we associate with, like Tigers baseball, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: just don't exist right now because you're down so many
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: guys and like, and the culture is more of a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: reflection of the player's abilities than just like coaching talking points.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I think that might That was something that kind of
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: hit me on my drive home today after watching the game.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I mean, culture is nice, but
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to have players that implement said culture.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And yeah, your culture doesn't exist when the culture, when
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: the players that culture is built around aren't on the field,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: is how I view it. I think it's it's really interesting,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: like why are the Tigers bad? Why have they lost
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: eight of the last nine? But we just showed you
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: their roster is that out of a bottom third team
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: in Major League Baseball right now?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Like it is bad.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: They have some guys getting more at bats than they
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: would on a lot of other teams out there, And
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: that's often just the reality when you have what fifteen
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: guys when you're a Major league injured list. I do
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: think it's interesting so much of the criticism is kind
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: of first directed toward management right now. And look, right now,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: it doesn't look like a lot of Scott Harris moves
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: have been perfect. The Jack Flaherty thing's not going well.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Even the you know, the relievers, the Birch smith Is,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the Jor Anderson's, the and Manuel, the Haeshus of the
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: world have not worked out. The Ricky Vnascos. But again,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: when you have fifteen guys in the IL, what organization
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: would be in a great spot right now? Probably none
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: of them, maybe like a few that have a little
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: more veteran depth, but even you know, there when you're
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: dipping into triple A, there's only there's a very limited
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: ceiling for how good you can be. So like I
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily say let's give the front off. It's like
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: an excuse but there is unfortunately an explanation for why
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: things are bad right now because your roster is not good,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: and that big question kind of surrounding this period we
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: knew we were heading into it. Could you stay afloat?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Could you hang around five hundred? Could you win enough
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: games to stay close until you get some reinforcements. Let's
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: look at the updated standings Tigers as of the conclusion
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: of Thursday's game. We'lso have some games Thursday night, so
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: it will be a little bit outdated for you listeners
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: in the morning. But four and a half games off
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the division lead, they are in last place. If they're
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: in third place and four and a half games out,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think you'd feel as bad. But technically they're
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: in last place two and a half games out of
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: an ALE wildcard spot. I don't know if they enter
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: the last week of the season two and a half
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: games out of an ALE wildcard spot that you know
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: that wouldn't be the worst possible position to be in.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: So it's not over yet. But is this in concerning definitely,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: especially you got swept by the Red Sox who fired
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: their manager. You got swept by the Mets, who surprisingly
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: haven't fired their manager like teams that have been going
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: to the laughing stock of baseball. Just took you to town.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: You lost two or three to the Royals, who have
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: had an abysmal start, and we talked about this. You've
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: missed some of the nastier pictures. You did see McLain today,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: but before that you had missed some of the nastier
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: pictures in this stretch of play. You didn't really take advantage.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: The schedule has kind of favored the Tigers here, but
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: they're in a spot where they have not h It's
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: been pretty close to worst case scenario. You're gonna have
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: to turn that out around soon or maybe by the
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: time Trek Scoogle does get back and some other guys
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: get back, you could be all but out of it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: That's certainly the scary part. And that is unfortunately where
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: we're trending, and I don't know that they have any
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: real solutions. A lot of people out there said, oh,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you got to bring up Max Clark and Max Anderson.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe look maybe right is is turning everything over to
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: some rookies really a recipe to to change your season
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: like at this point, I think probably not Max squad again,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: this guy's a good prospect. He's gonna go on to
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: have a successful major league career. We're gonna see him
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: at some point. But he has a seven o four
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: ops right now in Toledo. He has one home run. Like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: it's not like he's tearing down the world. Max Anderson
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: actually kind of is only forty seven at bats, but
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: he's in three eighty three. Could you swap Zach Short
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: from Max Anderson? Like? Probably, I'm not still love Zach Short.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Hope to have a good relationship with him for a
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: long time. He's a manager or GM or whatever he's
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: gonna do. But I don't really know why he's on
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: this team right now. But Anderson, you know, a little
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: more defensively limited. Is he the perfect puzzle piece? I
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe maybe you could bring him up and
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a slight upgrade. I don't think it's changing
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the cold hard facts about this team and where it's
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: at right now. They're kind of stuck with what they
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: got and they need some players to play better. Boots,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: guys who would be on this roster regardless of injuries.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Spencer to Orgleson's back to hitting plow two hundred like
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: we've talked about Wintle, Perez, Matt Vierling, Zach mckinstrey. Some
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: of those guys are gonna have to get going if
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: they're gonna have any hope.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I think I'll wrap it up this way, and that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, the famous aj Hinch speech
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: when they made the twenty twenty four postseasons, I, you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: asked you what kind of team you wanted to be,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and I guess you want to be a playoff team.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I think the speech on the plane ride back to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Detroit should be something like what.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Kind of team do you want to be?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, like all these guys that, like you said,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: are going to be here for the long haul, I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: mean like in the season and even obviously you know,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: multiple years.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: What kind of team do you want to be? And
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that's the number one question?
• 30:48
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