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- 0:00Speaker 1: Joining us now for X's and O's is our QB1,
- 0:02Speaker 1: Hugh Mellon. Hello, sir. How are you? We're doing good.
- 0:05Speaker 1: Good to be with you. Yeah, yeah. I can always
- 0:07Speaker 1: tell when Hugh chose the song. Tell you that much
- 0:10Speaker 1: right now. I kind of know your taste. It's good taste.
- 0:14Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Great taste. The historian. Child
- 0:17Speaker 1: of the 70s. Roosevelt High School. Love it. The Who,
- 0:20Speaker 1: the Stones, man. Yeah. The best. Just keep it right
- 0:24Speaker 1: in the center lane. That's right.
- 0:25Speaker 2: No reason to veer.
- 0:26Speaker 1: That's right. You're absolutely right. Come on. So right. All right, man.
- 0:32Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 0:32Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Yes, please. All right, so Cardinals this week,
- 0:38Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Nothing that we really wanted to happen,
- 0:41Speaker 1: but Drew played well filling in last week, and now
- 0:45Speaker 1: he gets ready for the Cardinals. So what do you
- 0:47Speaker 1: want to see out of Drew Locke that maybe we
- 0:49Speaker 1: haven't seen before?
- 0:51Speaker 3: Well, I think he's got to clean up some operation
- 0:54Speaker 3: that costs him down second and inches. He's up at
- 0:58Speaker 3: the line scrimmage looking at his wristband. You get a
- 1:03Speaker 3: delay game, that in all likelihood cost them four points
- 1:06Speaker 3: because you get the field goal not to touchdown there
- 1:09Speaker 3: from inside the two, three-yard line. You get a beautifully
- 1:12Speaker 3: designed touchdown pass to Cooper Cup on a slant where
- 1:17Speaker 3: they get the nice pick and it's a walk-in touchdown,
- 1:20Speaker 3: but you didn't get everybody set before. He canned the play,
- 1:25Speaker 3: so there's a lot going on there. Had to switch
- 1:28Speaker 3: Helani from right to left in the protection scheme and
- 1:32Speaker 3: then send Cooper Cup in motion or in a shift,
- 1:36Speaker 3: and everybody didn't get set. So you get a touchdown
- 1:39Speaker 3: call back. You get a field goal there. So that's
- 1:43Speaker 3: arguably eight points just by the offense that you give
- 1:47Speaker 3: up through mechanics. I know that's a big issue for
- 1:52Speaker 3: Mike McDonald. Pete Carroll will be like, hey, we'll get
- 1:55Speaker 3: it right. No, Mike McDonald has an entirely different approach
- 1:58Speaker 3: on that. He gets very involved with the offense, and
- 2:02Speaker 3: he demands that they spend a lot of time to
- 2:04Speaker 3: clean that stuff up. So you start there. Other than that,
- 2:09Speaker 3: I thought he played really, really well. I mean, he
- 2:12Speaker 3: protected the ball. There was maybe one that could have
- 2:15Speaker 3: got intercepted early on, the corner out to the sideline
- 2:18Speaker 3: that was blanket coverage. But other than that, he kept
- 2:22Speaker 3: the ball out of harm's way. And then he ends
- 2:25Speaker 3: up coming out of week one the third highest quarterback
- 2:30Speaker 3: in the NFL for a big time throw percentage. And so,
- 2:35Speaker 3: you know, there's a number of ones we've highlighted them
- 2:37Speaker 3: throughout the week. And so, so make the plays and,
- 2:40Speaker 3: and clean up the, the, the mechanics of, of quarterback
- 2:44Speaker 3: in the in and out that the stuff that happens
- 2:46Speaker 3: before the ball snapped. And, and, and then, and then
- 2:50Speaker 3: I'm eager to just see how he marries with Brian
- 2:54Speaker 3: Flory with each of them, having a week to know
- 2:57Speaker 3: that he's the guy.
- 2:58Speaker 1: Do you feel they should go conservative with the game plan,
- 3:02Speaker 1: or do you think Drew's proven enough to just let
- 3:05Speaker 1: it rip? Whatever you would have done with Sam, do
- 3:07Speaker 1: it with Drew. It's a great question.
- 3:09Speaker 3: I think that for this game, and you've heard me
- 3:13Speaker 3: say in the past, hey, I think Seattle's catching X
- 3:17Speaker 3: opponent on a good week, and this is a good
- 3:20Speaker 3: time to play them. I think it's good for Seattle
- 3:23Speaker 3: that they had the 10, 11 days to a little
- 3:26Speaker 3: extra prep there. But I think that this is not
- 3:30Speaker 3: a good time to catch the Cardinals because there's always
- 3:33Speaker 3: a juice when you have a new head coach. And
- 3:38Speaker 3: this team's going to be feeling their oats after having
- 3:41Speaker 3: had that somewhat surprising victory against the Chargers on the road.
- 3:47Speaker 3: Now they come home. That can be a relatively fickle,
- 3:51Speaker 3: dispassionate fan base. But then there are occasions where they
- 3:59Speaker 3: can rev it up. It's not going to be Lumen
- 4:03Speaker 3: Field loud, but every dome stadium has a capacity to
- 4:08Speaker 3: be loud. I think there's going to be some juice
- 4:11Speaker 3: in that stadium on a relative scale that we usually
- 4:14Speaker 3: don't see playing the Cardinals.
- 4:16Speaker 1: So I.
- 4:18Speaker 3: Think that they're going to have to combat that, that energy.
- 4:22Speaker 3: And then you just, you know, you see how Locke plays.
- 4:24Speaker 3: I think, you know, you start things off. Don't try
- 4:27Speaker 3: and push the ball down the field. But similar to
- 4:30Speaker 3: what we saw against the Patriots, I think as he
- 4:33Speaker 3: gets comfortable, you know, maybe the second, third series, you know,
- 4:36Speaker 3: maybe take some shots, maybe do some flood concepts where
- 4:39Speaker 3: you're trying to. you know, deep intermediate and shallow where
- 4:43Speaker 3: more often it's going to be an intermediate throw. Maybe
- 4:46Speaker 3: you get an 18, 20 yard corner route or sail
- 4:49Speaker 3: route or something or something, a deep in route, a
- 4:51Speaker 3: dagger route for 18 yards. You know, maybe that's in
- 4:54Speaker 3: the in the, in the works for the second or
- 4:57Speaker 3: third series, if not the first.
- 4:59Speaker 1: Hugh Millen is with us. Our QB1 X's and O's
- 5:02Speaker 1: with Hugh Millen every Friday during the football season. And
- 5:05Speaker 1: we are getting set for Seahawks Cardinals on Sunday. I
- 5:08Speaker 1: know that you watched that Cardinals game probably certainly out
- 5:12Speaker 1: of preparation, but also probably a lot of intrigue. Like
- 5:15Speaker 1: how did they beat the Chargers that badly? You shoved
- 5:19Speaker 1: a lot of things into the round table at the
- 5:21Speaker 1: very end of the show that in regards to it.
- 5:24Speaker 1: Chance to stretch your legs a little bit on what
- 5:26Speaker 1: you saw from that Cardinal game footage last week. What
- 5:30Speaker 1: did you see that impressed you that could give the
- 5:32Speaker 1: Seahawks a little trouble this week?
- 5:34Speaker 3: Well, the Cardinals, look, it's a young season, but they
- 5:36Speaker 3: come out of that game and now they sit second
- 5:40Speaker 3: in the NFL in time of possession. They were at 35-46.
- 5:45Speaker 3: They held the ball. I mentioned Drew Locke and he
- 5:50Speaker 3: ranks third in big time throw percentage at 8%. Brissette
- 5:54Speaker 3: was 2.4%. So really didn't push the ball down the field.
- 5:59Speaker 3: They finally had an opportunity where they weren't rolling the
- 6:02Speaker 3: coverage to Marvin Harrison. So he throws a go route,
- 6:05Speaker 3: very well thrown ball. You know, he stabbed a, a
- 6:09Speaker 3: seam route into Trey McBride. And, you know, there was
- 6:13Speaker 3: a layering concept to that, that you have to throw anticipation.
- 6:17Speaker 3: I think he was 27 yard gain on that one. And,
- 6:21Speaker 3: But I think it was generally just get the ball
- 6:24Speaker 3: out quick, relatively easy throws. A couple of guys that
- 6:31Speaker 3: get your attention, everybody knows Trey McBride. He is on
- 6:36Speaker 3: the late downs. He was targeted 50% of all plays
- 6:41Speaker 3: on late downs. Now, early downs was 31%, but on
- 6:44Speaker 3: third and fourth down, McBride is going to be where
- 6:49Speaker 3: Bursette is looking. In the red zone, he was 57%
- 6:52Speaker 3: of all targets. So cover the tight end. Kendrick Bourne,
- 6:58Speaker 3: eight attempts, eight completions. Four for 37 yards in the slot,
- 7:03Speaker 3: four for 38 yards out wide. And then it's interesting. Now,
- 7:10Speaker 3: no fair looking it up. Guys, do you know who
- 7:14Speaker 3: the highest paid player for the Cardinals is on a
- 7:17Speaker 3: per annual basis. We're on the honor system.
- 7:20Speaker 1: Don't look it up. I won't. I won't. The Cardinals
- 7:23Speaker 1: highest paid players.
- 7:26Speaker 2: Is it, I'm going to take a shot. It's Kyler Murray.
- 7:28Speaker 2: Cause they're paying him somewhere else.
- 7:30Speaker 1: Right. No. Well, I'm going to exclude him. You may
- 7:36Speaker 1: be right on that. Michael Wilson. It's Michael Wilson.
- 7:39Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 7:39Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
- 7:43Speaker 3: I watch a lot of tape. I would have never
- 7:44Speaker 3: said that, you know, maybe Josh sweater, or McBride, or whomever.
- 7:49Speaker 1: At any rate, he.
- 7:50Speaker 3: Had five catches for 56 yards. Here's a thought for you.
- 7:56Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love had 41 yards. The NFL officially tabulated. He
- 8:02Speaker 3: had 41 yards rushing. He had 48 yards after contact.
- 8:06Speaker 1: Think of that.
- 8:08Speaker 3: The only way that that happened is on a constant
- 8:12Speaker 3: basis that he's getting hit behind the line.
- 8:16Speaker 1: Of scrimmage, you know?
- 8:18Speaker 3: So, uh, and, and he was, he's an outside zone,
- 8:21Speaker 3: you know, seven carries, uh, 29 yards outside. So, um,
- 8:25Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to watch him, but you're going to
- 8:28Speaker 3: have to have the edge set, uh, because he has
- 8:32Speaker 3: the speed, uh, and, and obviously as the, as the
- 8:35Speaker 3: number implies, you know, he's strong. He's a lot stronger than, uh,
- 8:38Speaker 3: Jadarian price, who he's going to be compared to on Sunday. Uh, but, uh,
- 8:44Speaker 3: that's a factor, is the desire for them to get
- 8:47Speaker 3: outside in the running game.
- 8:48Speaker 1: Hugh Millen is with us, X's and O's, here on
- 8:51Speaker 1: this Friday, getting you set for Seahawks Cardinals Sunday at
- 8:55Speaker 1: 125 as the start time. So, your Mike McDonald, your secondary,
- 9:01Speaker 1: showed out pretty well against Drake May. I mean, Nick
- 9:05Speaker 1: Imanwari's still not back, Hugh, but how much better do
- 9:09Speaker 1: you feel about the parts without Okada and Imanwari on
- 9:14Speaker 1: the defense?
- 9:16Speaker 3: Well, I just feel like whoever it's, if Mike McDonald
- 9:20Speaker 3: says a guy can play, uh, you know, he can play. And, and,
- 9:25Speaker 3: and so the guys that you mentioned, you know, you
- 9:28Speaker 3: got a safety that was, was on the street a
- 9:30Speaker 3: few days ago, and then he had a, had a
- 9:32Speaker 3: hell of a game and, and Nehemiah Pritchett, uh, they
- 9:36Speaker 3: had thought highly of him going through the off season.
- 9:39Speaker 1: And then lo and behold.
- 9:41Speaker 3: You know, it, It took a little bit of a
- 9:42Speaker 3: circuitous route because you're dipping your toe with these other
- 9:46Speaker 3: corners throughout training camp and all of August.
- 9:49Speaker 1: But then Nehemiah Pritchett, you know, he shows up and
- 9:51Speaker 1: balls out. So I feel.
- 9:54Speaker 3: Good about where the Seahawks are defensively in a couple
- 9:59Speaker 3: of cases. he had the Jacoby Preset, he lines up,
- 10:05Speaker 3: he was 11 personnel. It's one running back, one tight end,
- 10:10Speaker 3: three wide receivers, 22 out of 29 for 249 yards.
- 10:15Speaker 3: No other group had more than three attempts. So Mike McDonald,
- 10:18Speaker 3: he's going into this He kind of knows what they
- 10:20Speaker 3: want to do there.
- 10:22Speaker 1: Play action.
- 10:23Speaker 3: The Cardinals' offense was only 15%. The league average is 27%.
- 10:28Speaker 3: So you're going to, on a relative scale, you're just
- 10:32Speaker 3: going to be able to line up, look at that,
- 10:35Speaker 3: be able to anticipate what they're doing, and then he
- 10:39Speaker 3: can work his magic with whatever pressures and sim pressures
- 10:42Speaker 3: that he wants to have. So I feel like Mike
- 10:47Speaker 3: McDonald is probably feeling in his mind, like I want
- 10:50Speaker 3: to keep this to 14 points or less. Like I'm
- 10:53Speaker 3: going to, if they get to 15, I'm going to
- 10:54Speaker 3: be disappointed. That's a, that's a big ask, uh, in
- 10:57Speaker 3: the national football league. But, uh, you know, I, I
- 11:00Speaker 3: think that the defense has the ability to do that.
- 11:04Speaker 1: All right. Um, I know we talked about this in
- 11:05Speaker 1: the round table, uh, but Jadarian price, I mean, um,
- 11:10Speaker 1: how impressed you were with him and seeing him last week,
- 11:13Speaker 1: and then how much more you'd like to see him
- 11:16Speaker 1: used this Sunday.
- 11:19Speaker 3: Well, setting aside any, okay, long-term, when I mean long-term,
- 11:25Speaker 3: I mean for the season long-term. Like where do we
- 11:28Speaker 3: want to be with him in December and January? And
- 11:31Speaker 3: that's a credible objective, right, is to preserve him. And
- 11:35Speaker 3: particularly if you think that he's relatively– I don't want
- 11:39Speaker 3: to say frail, but he's not the most thick. He's
- 11:44Speaker 3: not the thickest running back in the league. Can we
- 11:46Speaker 3: agree on that? I want to see him because I
- 11:51Speaker 3: think it's a good weapon to help the quarterback. I
- 11:56Speaker 3: think there's a lot of confidence in Drew Locke, but
- 12:00Speaker 3: I still feel like having that running game be successful.
- 12:04Speaker 3: I don't want to say lean on the running game.
- 12:06Speaker 3: Because what I hate about this, and it's like a
- 12:09Speaker 3: Venn diagram. There's things I agree with, and then there's
- 12:12Speaker 3: things I really don't agree with. Yes, I agree that
- 12:15Speaker 3: it's going to help Drew Locke if he has a
- 12:16Speaker 3: good running game. But I don't agree just running on
- 12:21Speaker 3: first down, running on second down. Now it's third and six. Hey, quarterback,
- 12:24Speaker 3: bail us out on third and– no, wait a minute.
- 12:27Speaker 3: If you're like 48% third down conversions in the NFL,
- 12:30Speaker 3: you're lead the league. So the time to make– some
- 12:34Speaker 3: plays and get a quarterback in rhythm is, and Mike
- 12:36Speaker 3: Holmgren would be absolutely agreeing with this first and 10,
- 12:40Speaker 3: let him throw the damn ball, you know, but when
- 12:43Speaker 3: you do hand the ball off on first and 10,
- 12:45Speaker 3: you'd rather get seven yards than three yards. And I
- 12:48Speaker 3: think that price with his, his juice. Now all of
- 12:52Speaker 3: his runs were outside wide zones and various, they had
- 12:56Speaker 3: pin and poles and there was different schemes and there
- 12:58Speaker 3: was an off tackle lead, but, but they were all
- 13:00Speaker 3: outside other than the second one where they're trying to
- 13:02Speaker 3: go straight up the middle on a play called duo.
- 13:05Speaker 3: But that acceleration really puts a stress on a defense
- 13:12Speaker 3: because they have to get moving. Well, if we went
- 13:16Speaker 3: out to a park and we said, all right, we're
- 13:19Speaker 3: going to line up, and then we said, okay, you
- 13:22Speaker 3: have to sprint, and then when I blow a whistle,
- 13:24Speaker 3: come to the fastest stop you can. If you are
- 13:29Speaker 3: sprinting 100%, then it's going to take you a lot
- 13:33Speaker 3: longer to stop than if you were running at 90%
- 13:37Speaker 3: or 95%. Agreed?
- 13:39Speaker 1: If you're running at 90% and I.
- 13:41Speaker 3: Blow the whistle, you can stop a lot faster than
- 13:44Speaker 3: you can if you're running 100%. Is that pretty self-evident, right?
- 13:49Speaker 3: So if you're a linebacker and you're standing there and
- 13:53Speaker 3: you don't know what to play, ball's snapped and you
- 13:55Speaker 3: immediately read outside zone and you know that cat is
- 13:58Speaker 3: has that kind of acceleration, man, you better get on
- 14:01Speaker 3: your horse now and you better like turn your hips
- 14:04Speaker 3: and go to that spot. And, and, you know, you're
- 14:07Speaker 3: gonna have to sift through some trash maybe, uh, uh,
- 14:09Speaker 3: and all that, but you better, everybody's got to flow
- 14:12Speaker 3: to that spot because he's just getting there faster.
- 14:15Speaker 1: Well, then at that point, when he makes a cutback,
- 14:18Speaker 1: you're like, well, wait a minute, wait, well, I was
- 14:20Speaker 1: already sprinting to the sideline.
- 14:21Speaker 3: What are you doing?
- 14:22Speaker 1: Cutting back on me.
- 14:23Speaker 3: It's just a lot harder to stop. And so, so
- 14:25Speaker 3: I think that if you're going to run that scheme, uh,
- 14:28Speaker 3: uh the wide zone having the acceleration that price has
- 14:32Speaker 3: really uh you know puts a stamp to it.
- 14:34Speaker 1: I remember when i used to run sprint i was
- 14:37Speaker 1: a lot like bo jackson like i would just go
- 14:39Speaker 1: into the tunnel because there was no slowing that train
- 14:42Speaker 1: down you know what i mean.
- 14:44Speaker 3: Yeah you know what we need to put a parachute
- 14:47Speaker 3: pack on you right and there's no other.
- 14:49Speaker 1: Way to stop this i can't tell you or Can't
- 14:51Speaker 1: tell you how many times I reminded people of Bo
- 14:54Speaker 1: Jackson as a young athlete. Yeah, I can't tell you
- 14:57Speaker 1: that either. I'm still looking for him. Very Bo-like, as
- 15:04Speaker 1: it turns out. Yeah, post-hip surgery. Yeah, yeah, that's what
- 15:09Speaker 1: it was. People would watch me play sports and they're like,
- 15:11Speaker 1: do you have a hip out? Yeah, that's what they
- 15:14Speaker 1: would say.
- 15:15Speaker 3: When the blood is no longer feeding the femur, there's
- 15:17Speaker 3: Chuck Powell for you.
- 15:18Speaker 1: There it is. I made the most of it. Well,
- 15:24Speaker 1: let me close with this, and I want to just
- 15:25Speaker 1: tap into just your own career. I mean, you are
- 15:30Speaker 1: always self-deprecating when it comes to your career, but you
- 15:33Speaker 1: obviously had an awful lot of success. And yet, of course,
- 15:37Speaker 1: you wanted to play more. You wanted to start more
- 15:39Speaker 1: during your NFL career. Uh, and did you have a
- 15:42Speaker 1: moment like drew might have on Sunday where he's not
- 15:45Speaker 1: just playing for the Seahawks really? I mean, he's kind of,
- 15:49Speaker 1: this might be like his last chance to like show people, Hey,
- 15:52Speaker 1: I have a great team around me. I can lead
- 15:55Speaker 1: a great team. and he's kind of like showing off
- 15:58Speaker 1: for the rest of the National Football League this weekend
- 16:01Speaker 1: if he wants to be a starter. I'm sure you
- 16:04Speaker 1: had a game or two like that during your course
- 16:07Speaker 1: of your NFL career. Is it impossible to have that
- 16:12Speaker 1: not creep into your thoughts as you're standing in the
- 16:14Speaker 1: tunnel getting ready to go onto the field?
- 16:17Speaker 3: Well, we don't want Drew Locke or any other Seahawk
- 16:19Speaker 3: following my career, so let's just get that straight. But
- 16:22Speaker 3: I was with the Falcons– There was a seven-game losing streak.
- 16:27Speaker 3: Chris Miller broke his collarbone against Tampa. And then I
- 16:30Speaker 3: ended up starting the last two games. And we beat
- 16:33Speaker 3: the Rams. And then the Cowboys had to– it was
- 16:37Speaker 3: very simple. They had to beat us to be in
- 16:39Speaker 3: the playoffs with Jimmy Johnson's, I think, second year. Or
- 16:43Speaker 3: they're out. And then we beat the Cowboys. And so
- 16:45Speaker 3: that got me nine contract offers. Yeah. And so, you know, unfortunately,
- 16:52Speaker 3: they weren't really attractive. I had to go to the
- 16:55Speaker 3: one in 15 Patriots to start.
- 16:58Speaker 1: But you know what? You get a chance to start.
- 17:00Speaker 3: I would say let's let's talk about something that Drew
- 17:02Speaker 3: Locke could could really sink his teeth into because he
- 17:06Speaker 3: he wants to cover his eyes if he's looking at
- 17:07Speaker 3: my career. Malik Willis last year for the Packers had
- 17:11Speaker 3: one start against Baltimore, 18 to 21, 288 yards, one touchdown.
- 17:17Speaker 1: No picks.
- 17:17Speaker 3: I was asked by the 33rd team to break him down.
- 17:20Speaker 3: So I watched every play of Malik Willis. He ends
- 17:22Speaker 3: up for the season 30 of 35, 422 yards, three touchdowns,
- 17:26Speaker 3: no picks. And I looked at everyone, made the presentation.
- 17:31Speaker 3: It wasn't just the stats, guys. He was really making
- 17:35Speaker 3: big-time plays, like great decisions, big-time throws down, you know, anticipatory,
- 17:40Speaker 3: smoking the ball, running when he needed to. He looked
- 17:43Speaker 3: like a legitimate all-pro quarterback. for 35 attempts. He goes
- 17:51Speaker 3: to Miami for $ 45 million guaranteed. So 35 pass attempts,
- 17:57Speaker 3: $ 45 million guaranteed. He had $ 1. 28- something million guaranteed per pass
- 18:07Speaker 3: attempt for what he did as the backup to Jordan Love.
- 18:10Speaker 3: So when you're talking about his future, absolutely, it's laying
- 18:14Speaker 3: there right for him like that. And so, yeah, I
- 18:19Speaker 3: don't know that he's thinking about Malik Willis, but I
- 18:23Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if he's thought about Malik Willis.
- 18:27Speaker 1: All right, man. Awesome stuff as always. Look forward to
- 18:29Speaker 1: recapping it on Monday with you. Rock and roll. Enjoy, guys.
- 18:32Speaker 2: Thank you.
- 18:33Speaker 1: There he is. Our QB1, Hugh Millen, joining us right
- 18:36Speaker 1: here every Friday for X's and O's like only he
- 18:39Speaker 1: can do it. And he will be our Monday morning
- 18:41Speaker 1: quarterback as well from 8 to 10. So make sure
- 18:45Speaker 1: you tune in for the best recap in town of
- 18:47Speaker 1: Seahawks Cardinals. All right, coming up next, I'm going to
- 18:50Speaker 1: squeeze some in. You know, I got to squeeze a
- 18:52Speaker 1: little bit in. Haven't talked about it really all show long.
- 18:56Speaker 1: ABCs of the M's, Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. But
- 19:02Speaker 1: we will do our ABCs of the M's. They're in
- 19:04Speaker 1: Colorado to face the Rockies. Six games out, nine games
- 19:08Speaker 1: to go. Could be eliminated by the time we're back
- 19:10Speaker 1: on the airwaves. on Monday. And of course, the expectation
- 19:14Speaker 1: is there is no chance to overcome this mountain of
- 19:18Speaker 1: a deficit. And yet there are plenty of things to discuss.
- 19:22Speaker 1: And so that's why we go through the alphabet. We
- 19:25Speaker 1: left off the letter P. P is for pitchers. You know,
- 19:30Speaker 1: it'll sneak up on you. This sports world, you might
- 19:33Speaker 1: think that life is It could be a grind, 162
- 19:37Speaker 1: games a year. Man, it's such a grind. And then, oh,
- 19:40Speaker 1: the hard offseason to get into shape. And then, oh,
- 19:43Speaker 1: reporting to training camp. And then the next thing you know, Anders,
- 19:47Speaker 1: you look up, you're Logan Gilbert. and you are one
- 19:51Speaker 1: year away from free agency. Six years of your career
- 19:54Speaker 1: have passed. You've made some great friends. You've won a
- 19:58Speaker 1: lot of games with those friends. And yet you might
- 20:03Speaker 1: be done. You might be making your last couple of
- 20:06Speaker 1: starts here as a Seattle Mariner. If not you, George
- 20:11Speaker 1: Kirby could be making his last couple of starts as
- 20:14Speaker 1: a Seattle Mariner. And I think in his post-game comments
- 20:18Speaker 1: the other night, you kind of heard the pain in
- 20:21Speaker 1: his voice of, man, we were sure we were going
- 20:26Speaker 1: to win a world championship together. We were convinced of it.
- 20:30Speaker 1: And we were going to be the group that led
- 20:33Speaker 1: us there. This was going to be our crowning achievement
- 20:37Speaker 1: as a group. And you've never seen a group get
- 20:39Speaker 1: along better than these guys. They are so close to
- 20:42Speaker 1: one another. But it might start getting broken up this offseason.
- 20:47Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I predict that it will
- 20:50Speaker 1: start getting broken up. And so this core, this fivesome,
- 20:54Speaker 1: and if you want to throw Castillo in that group
- 20:57Speaker 1: as one of the five, he's already left town. Yep.
- 21:01Speaker 1: They're not going to win a world championship together. It's
- 21:04Speaker 1: just not going to happen. And I think the reality
- 21:07Speaker 1: of that is setting in.
- 21:09Speaker 2: Let's clarify, you're not saying that the window for the
- 21:12Speaker 2: Mariners is closing, but with this specific group... No, why
- 21:16Speaker 2: would I need to clarify? No, I'm just making sure
- 21:17Speaker 2: everyone understands. But with this specific group, the team's going
- 21:21Speaker 2: to look different next year. You have one of your
- 21:23Speaker 2: big leaders in J.P. Crawford that's most likely going to
- 21:26Speaker 2: move on. Randy Rosarino has been a key part of
- 21:28Speaker 2: the offense, is going to move on. And what you
- 21:30Speaker 2: just mentioned with the pitching staff is, I think, very true.
- 21:33Speaker 2: They have to really kind of realize that this kind
- 21:36Speaker 2: of core that they've put together... um is gonna look
- 21:40Speaker 2: at least somewhat different already does yeah steel's already gone
- 21:43Speaker 2: exactly so it is kind of a weird feeling as
- 21:47Speaker 2: a mariner fan because once with baseball i made the
- 21:52Speaker 2: reference earlier in the week to baltimore they thought that
- 21:55Speaker 2: they they had this super young core that would be
- 21:58Speaker 2: good for years and years and years and just two
- 22:00Speaker 2: years after that after they win the al east they
- 22:03Speaker 2: end up having to sell off a lot of those
- 22:06Speaker 2: main parts because they're just not competing. The window's closed
- 22:09Speaker 2: all of a sudden. They have to find a new one.
- 22:10Speaker 2: So hopefully that doesn't happen with these guys, but I
- 22:14Speaker 2: think it's definitely a reality that you will have at
- 22:16Speaker 2: least somewhat of a different core coming into the year
- 22:19Speaker 2: in 27.
- 22:19Speaker 1: Marty Las Castillo, I'm sure you're going to lose Kirby. Yeah.
- 22:23Speaker 1: I would pay Gilbert. I think he's Gumby. I know
- 22:26Speaker 1: he had some injuries the year ago, but of all
- 22:29Speaker 1: the people, and you can knock on whatever wood you want.
- 22:32Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 22:32Speaker 1: That to me, and I'm talking about all of baseball,
- 22:35Speaker 1: not just on this rotation, the way that he trains,
- 22:39Speaker 1: the way that he works out, I think he is
- 22:41Speaker 1: the lowest injury risk starting pitcher in Major League Baseball.
- 22:46Speaker 1: And I would take that money, I say, from Castillo,
- 22:50Speaker 1: and I would invest it in Logan Gilbert. And I'd
- 22:53Speaker 1: give him five years, 150, which would make him the
- 22:58Speaker 1: highest paid player on the team. And that still might
- 23:01Speaker 1: not get it done. Frambois Valdez signed a $ 40 million
- 23:04Speaker 1: contract per season a year ago, and he's not as
- 23:08Speaker 1: good as what Logan Gilbert is at this stage of
- 23:11Speaker 1: their careers. So I don't know if that'll get it done,
- 23:14Speaker 1: but I'm going to try. I'm going to try to
- 23:16Speaker 1: keep Logan Gilbert. That's what I'm going to try to
- 23:18Speaker 1: do this offseason, and that probably will represent the big
- 23:22Speaker 1: financial spend. of the off season, unfortunately, but I'm going
- 23:26Speaker 1: to try to keep Logan Gilbert and I'm going to
- 23:28Speaker 1: trade George Kirby. That's what I'm doing.
- 23:29Speaker 2: It just depends on you talking about the price, you know,
- 23:33Speaker 2: how much he values staying in Seattle, which I feel
- 23:36Speaker 2: like he should.
- 23:37Speaker 1: I think he would give a hometown discount to stay
- 23:40Speaker 1: with his buddies, stay with Cal. He said also in
- 23:44Speaker 1: those postgame comments that all I think about is being
- 23:46Speaker 1: here for 15 to 20 years. There are reports that
- 23:51Speaker 1: suggest that he wants to be closer to home I
- 23:54Speaker 1: think that's more family tugging at him more than his
- 23:57Speaker 1: own personal desires or wishes. I think he wants to
- 24:00Speaker 1: be a Mariner. I think he wants to play with
- 24:02Speaker 1: Cal his entire career and his buddies his entire career.
- 24:05Speaker 1: That's what I think Logan Gilbert wants, and I'd try
- 24:09Speaker 1: to make that happen for him.
- 24:10Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of the next piece to fall. Obviously,
- 24:14Speaker 2: Josh Naylor signing last year. or this past offseason. Cal Raleigh,
- 24:19Speaker 2: the one before that. Julio Rodriguez is obviously locked up.
- 24:22Speaker 2: You got Colt Emerson for years to come. I think
- 24:25Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert's the next one.
- 24:26Speaker 1: Yeah. Q is for quarry. That's where rocks are kept. Yeah. Quarry. Yeah.
- 24:31Speaker 1: And so we're playing the Colorado Rockies. So we are
- 24:34Speaker 1: playing in the stadium that is famously the most explosive
- 24:41Speaker 1: offensive environment in the entire sport. Yeah. On the flip side,
- 24:47Speaker 1: we play in the stadium that has now become infamous
- 24:52Speaker 1: for subduing offense. Right. And if you remember, Mike Petriello
- 24:57Speaker 1: a year ago wrote his article saying that offense is
- 25:01Speaker 1: more suppressed in T-Mobile than it is accentuated at Coors Field.
- 25:08Speaker 1: Which is shocking when you think about it. And yet,
- 25:12Speaker 1: that's what the stats say. are suggesting. It has nothing
- 25:16Speaker 1: to do with the Marine layer. So what does it
- 25:18Speaker 1: have to do with? Does it have to do with,
- 25:22Speaker 1: we have really good pitchers and every team and who
- 25:25Speaker 1: really like pitching in Seattle and every team that comes
- 25:28Speaker 1: into town has to face those guys and that floods
- 25:32Speaker 1: the numbers. And then on top of it, we have a,
- 25:34Speaker 1: we have a Weak offense over the course of the
- 25:38Speaker 1: last 10 years, and it doesn't fare very well at
- 25:41Speaker 1: home or on the road. Are those the factors? Or
- 25:44Speaker 1: is there something wrong with our ballpark? And it's not
- 25:48Speaker 1: the Marine layer because we hit home runs in our ballpark.
- 25:52Speaker 1: Why do we not hit? Why can't people hit at T-Mobile?
- 25:56Speaker 1: I don't think they know. And there's been people that
- 25:59Speaker 1: have messed around with suggesting that it's the backdrop. I
- 26:03Speaker 1: have heard from sources on high they have evaluated that
- 26:07Speaker 1: and that there's no truth to it. They've consulted people
- 26:10Speaker 1: about that just to make sure that they didn't have
- 26:13Speaker 1: a backdrop that was deceiving hitters. But Teoscar Hernandez became
- 26:19Speaker 1: famous for it. So there's got to be something to it.
- 26:23Speaker 1: There's got to be something to it's not a comfortable
- 26:25Speaker 1: place to hit beyond the pitchers that you have to
- 26:29Speaker 1: face when you come here. And yet, would you change
- 26:33Speaker 1: it if you found out that there was, because I
- 26:36Speaker 1: would think you'd be able to use that to your
- 26:38Speaker 1: advantage and being able to play there 81 games per year. Like,
- 26:44Speaker 1: should we take more batting practice, live batting, not batting practice,
- 26:48Speaker 1: where you're just trying to hit home runs, you know,
- 26:51Speaker 1: or spraying the ball or work on things. I'm talking about,
- 26:54Speaker 1: should we take Like, should we spend part of spring
- 26:58Speaker 1: training there?
- 26:59Speaker 2: Coming back home.
- 27:00Speaker 1: Watching live pitching to practice more than anyone else gets
- 27:05Speaker 1: to practice at hitting there? I mean, if we do
- 27:08Speaker 1: have this quirkiness about us, about our stadium... Why are
- 27:15Speaker 1: we not doing a better job of taking advantage of it?
- 27:18Speaker 1: And the same thing that Rocky fans are asking about
- 27:20Speaker 1: their own ballpark. And they can't figure out how to
- 27:23Speaker 1: do it. Do we go get pitching? Do we grow
- 27:25Speaker 1: the grass high? Do we get fast outfielders? Do we
- 27:28Speaker 1: just get bombers? Because that's usually when we're successful is
- 27:31Speaker 1: when we just outslug everybody when they come here. You
- 27:34Speaker 1: have to use your part to your advantage, and it
- 27:39Speaker 1: doesn't feel like we're doing that. Not this year. We
- 27:41Speaker 1: have in past years. Yeah, we have. But we're not
- 27:43Speaker 1: doing it this year.
- 27:44Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the idea is that, okay, we
- 27:46Speaker 2: just lean into our pitching and try and win every
- 27:49Speaker 2: game 2-1 and kind of rely on, you know— Having
- 27:54Speaker 2: them be elite, and I think the last couple of
- 27:55Speaker 2: years they've, for whatever reason, mostly been on the road.
- 28:00Speaker 2: But there have been some home starts where the pitching
- 28:02Speaker 2: hasn't been as elite as we have expected it to be.
- 28:06Speaker 2: But the misconception about T-Mobile Park is that, oh, it's
- 28:09Speaker 2: hard to hit home runs in there. That's not the case.
- 28:10Speaker 2: That's about the only outcome of single, double, triple home
- 28:15Speaker 2: run strikeouts. That's about the only one that's at least
- 28:18Speaker 2: somewhat close to average for the hitter side of things.
- 28:21Speaker 2: Everything else is suppressed besides the home runs.
- 28:24Speaker 1: That is just so bizarre.
- 28:26Speaker 2: It's so weird.
- 28:26Speaker 1: Why would you not be able to hit doubles and
- 28:29Speaker 1: triples in your own ballpark?
- 28:30Speaker 2: Well, because the outfield's smaller. There's less room. It's easier
- 28:35Speaker 2: to cover ground as an outfielder. One of the reasons
- 28:37Speaker 2: Coors is such a hitter's friendly ballpark is that outfield
- 28:40Speaker 2: is ginormous. Everyone thinks, oh, it's because I can hit
- 28:43Speaker 2: a lot of home runs there and the air is thin,
- 28:45Speaker 2: which is true. But they tried to combat that by
- 28:48Speaker 2: moving the fences back and out a little bit. And
- 28:51Speaker 2: now you can hit doubles and triples and you can
- 28:53Speaker 2: still hit home runs because the air is thin. That's
- 28:54Speaker 2: why it's such a hitter's friendly ballpark. But with T-Mobile,
- 28:57Speaker 2: it's just a lot smaller.
- 28:58Speaker 1: Is it a lot smaller?
- 28:59Speaker 2: It's pretty, like, if you look at the dimensions, comparatively
- 29:03Speaker 2: to others, it's pretty small. Not like Fenway small, obviously,
- 29:06Speaker 2: because then that makes it hitter's friendly. But they don't
- 29:08Speaker 2: have trouble hitting doubles and triples. Now they have the
- 29:12Speaker 2: short wall in Boston.
- 29:14Speaker 1: Right, exactly. The left field wall, the monster, helps that. But,
- 29:18Speaker 1: I mean... I don't see... I mean, Cincinnati, do they
- 29:21Speaker 1: have trouble hitting doubles and triples in Cincinnati? That's the
- 29:23Speaker 1: smallest ballpark. Do they have trouble hitting doubles and triples
- 29:27Speaker 1: in Wrigley? I don't know if it's... That's a smaller
- 29:29Speaker 1: ballpark than ours.
- 29:30Speaker 2: Well, I think... I honestly don't know.
- 29:32Speaker 1: I don't know either. I'm just speculating.
- 29:34Speaker 2: But I know that dimensions-wise... I don't.
- 29:36Speaker 1: Think of T-Mobile as a small ballpark.
- 29:39Speaker 2: They've... I think, comparatively, it has been the dimensions of
- 29:43Speaker 2: the outfield.
- 29:43Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
- 29:44Speaker 2: Well, that's something to keep in mind. Yeah.
- 29:46Speaker 1: Well, you're right. I mean, we don't have trouble hitting
- 29:48Speaker 1: home runs. It just doesn't make any sense that we
- 29:51Speaker 1: would have trouble doubles. Trouble doubles. Trouble doubles. That doesn't
- 29:57Speaker 1: seem like it even equates, computes.
- 29:59Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 30:00Speaker 1: Uh, all right. One last thing to close out the week.
- 30:02Speaker 1: Next sports radio, 93.3 KJR FM. Final segment of the show.
- 30:21Speaker 1: Final segment of the week. Um, and yes, with Ashley
- 30:25Speaker 1: now being a part of the Ian Furness show shows
- 30:27Speaker 1: never sounded better. Um, We don't have booze news anymore.
- 30:31Speaker 3: Booze.
- 30:32Speaker 1: Yeah, no booze news. It's probably, might be a good idea.
- 30:38Speaker 1: Might be a good idea, not just to throw back
- 30:41Speaker 1: a cup of whiskey on a Friday. Before 10 a.m.
- 30:44Speaker 1: Friday at 9.50.
- 30:47Speaker 2: Does she have she cornered the market on drinking before
- 30:50Speaker 2: 10 o'clock.
- 30:51Speaker 1: Uh yeah i think she's number one ranked in the
- 30:53Speaker 1: world i think yeah yeah i think she's the best
- 30:56Speaker 1: at it congratulations by the way ashley i know you've
- 31:00Speaker 1: been working at that for a long time going all
- 31:02Speaker 1: the way back that's what you went to college for
- 31:04Speaker 1: yeah sure uh yeah and now look at her the
- 31:07Speaker 1: best that's ever done it yeah well done yeah we're
- 31:10Speaker 1: so proud All right. One last thing. So we'll just
- 31:13Speaker 1: do one last thing until we come up with a
- 31:15Speaker 1: cooler Friday bit. What do you got for your one
- 31:17Speaker 1: last thing for the week, Anders?
- 31:18Speaker 2: I just want to mention how freeing it was yesterday
- 31:25Speaker 2: when I got home after, you know, a decent early
- 31:29Speaker 2: shift in the morning show. And, you know, I get
- 31:34Speaker 2: to hang out with my son and my wife. And,
- 31:37Speaker 2: you know, normally during my routine, it's like, okay, I
- 31:40Speaker 2: figure out what games are on that day. I'm kind
- 31:43Speaker 2: of playing my nap around that. Not having to plan
- 31:48Speaker 2: around a Mariner game. It was so freeing not having
- 31:53Speaker 2: to watch Mariner game yesterday. Um, and not just because like,
- 31:58Speaker 2: you know, I hate watching Mariners games. No, it's just
- 32:01Speaker 2: like at this point in the season, it's, it's an
- 32:03Speaker 2: absolute drag for me.
- 32:05Speaker 1: It is a chore.
- 32:07Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 32:07Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And like, I'm obviously going
- 32:09Speaker 2: to still.
- 32:09Speaker 1: Every second is spent like, God.
- 32:11Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 32:13Speaker 1: Why does this main team not play better? Exactly.
- 32:15Speaker 2: And, and the worst is when they highlight other teams
- 32:18Speaker 2: that are like getting ready for the playoffs and like what, what,
- 32:21Speaker 2: how they're going to set up their rotation and like,
- 32:23Speaker 2: what seating they're going for. And I'm like, that should
- 32:26Speaker 2: have been us, you know? So I just wanted to
- 32:29Speaker 2: highlight that yesterday, not having a Mariner game to think about,
- 32:32Speaker 2: not thinking about that baseball team for a full 24
- 32:35Speaker 2: hour period. It was fantastic. Just thinking about football and
- 32:40Speaker 2: my fact fiction pick being fiction.
- 32:41Speaker 1: So yeah, I do have this annual, like when the
- 32:45Speaker 1: baseball season's over, like what do we do now?
- 32:48Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 32:50Speaker 1: I have this annual separation anxiety because baseball is just
- 32:54Speaker 1: so constant in our lives. For six months, it's nearly
- 32:59Speaker 1: every night. It's six nights a week. And I do
- 33:03Speaker 1: have this week and a half, two and a half
- 33:06Speaker 1: week withdrawal. I don't know what... Usually I turn on
- 33:10Speaker 1: the ball game now, and it's going to happen again
- 33:15Speaker 1: this year, and it's going to happen for Mariners baseball
- 33:18Speaker 1: sooner than we wanted. All right, what's your one last thing, Travis?
- 33:21Speaker 4: Well, I'm torn because I have one last thing, and
- 33:23Speaker 4: I have a really funny talkback.
- 33:25Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So do I have to choose? Yeah, kind of.
- 33:28Speaker 2: It's one last thing, not two.
- 33:30Speaker 1: I can't let Greg Bell go on the air at
- 33:33Speaker 1: 12 after. It's a 12-second talkback. All right, let's hear it.
- 33:38Speaker 3: Anders, Anders.
- 33:39Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we're the same person.
- 33:42Speaker 3: In the summertime, I like to go in the pool.
- 33:45Speaker 4: And in the wintertime, I like to go to the.
- 33:46Speaker 2: Mountains, man.
- 33:48Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. All right. We're the same person.
- 33:56Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a jump from saying that you....
- 34:02Speaker 1: Wasn't a shining moment for you.
- 34:04Speaker 2: Whatever.
- 34:05Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about.
- 34:06Speaker 2: It's the first of many not shining moments here for
- 34:08Speaker 2: me on the show.
- 34:10Speaker 1: Basically, what Anders said earlier was, I said something about
- 34:13Speaker 1: I was watching the Bills, and for some reason, psychologically,
- 34:16Speaker 1: I wanted wings because it was in Buffalo. So that's
- 34:19Speaker 1: what they're known for is chicken wings. And the next
- 34:21Speaker 1: thing you know, I've ordered chicken wings. And Anders then
- 34:24Speaker 1: made the point, I do the same thing. In the summer,
- 34:27Speaker 1: I'll drink cool drinks. When it's warm outside. And in
- 34:32Speaker 1: the winter, I'll have a different beverage that is more
- 34:36Speaker 1: warming because it's colder outside. Yeah. He apparently thought he
- 34:41Speaker 1: was the only person that does that. No.
- 34:43Speaker 2: I said I was with you on that. I said
- 34:45Speaker 2: that's a similar way of thinking. It's a psychological thing.
- 34:50Speaker 1: I think our talkback guy disagrees that they are similar.
- 34:53Speaker 2: All right.
- 34:53Speaker 1: Whatever. Moving on.
- 34:55Speaker 3: All right.
- 34:56Speaker 1: What's your one last thing? Okay. I'll make it quick.
- 34:58Speaker 4: I have a bone to pick with the kids on
- 35:00Speaker 4: my son's soccer team, we missed the first practice. And
- 35:05Speaker 4: in that time, so last season they were the Ninja Dragons.
- 35:09Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
- 35:09Speaker 4: Two things that every seven and eight year old.
- 35:11Speaker 2: You know, boy just loves.
- 35:15Speaker 4: And so they picked that team name for themselves.
- 35:17Speaker 1: We all loved it. We, you know, cheered, go Ninja Dragons.
- 35:19Speaker 1: It's great.
- 35:20Speaker 4: They decided to change their team name to Jimothy and
- 35:23Speaker 4: the Trash Pandas.
- 35:25Speaker 1: Oh no.
- 35:26Speaker 4: And I'm thinking like that trend is, in the rear
- 35:29Speaker 4: view mirror that has been played out yeah ninja dragons
- 35:34Speaker 4: that's who we are that's a fantastic name.
- 35:37Speaker 1: Jimothy and the trash pandas sounds like a really bad
- 35:39Speaker 1: cover band though yes you know playing in ballard somewhere
- 35:43Speaker 1: yeah and.
- 35:43Speaker 4: So we exactly that's the team name now what my
- 35:46Speaker 4: son had no input in it that is that's what
- 35:48Speaker 4: you're going they chose it apparently.
- 35:51Speaker 1: Jimothy how are you going to fit that on the
- 35:53Speaker 1: front of.
- 35:53Speaker 4: The jersey they wear generic oh do they yeah.
- 35:58Speaker 1: Okay I mean, just go with Trash Pandas. Trash Pandas. Yeah,
- 36:02Speaker 1: that's what we cheer. Go Trash Pandas.
- 36:04Speaker 2: But they had to get the name.
- 36:05Speaker 1: Jimothy in there. Or just go with Pandas. I like Pandas.
- 36:07Speaker 1: Pandas is a great name. Just go Pandas.
- 36:08Speaker 4: Not a very threatening animal, though, you know.
- 36:11Speaker 1: Oh, no. You better go watch your nature shows. Pandas
- 36:14Speaker 1: will rip your face off. I don't believe you. No,
- 36:18Speaker 1: they will.
- 36:19Speaker 2: Pandas.
- 36:20Speaker 1: They're aggressive. Yeah, they'll take you out. I mean, they're
- 36:23Speaker 1: not polar bear aggressive. Some of them know Kung Fu,
- 36:27Speaker 1: I've heard. All right. That'll do it for us. Thank
- 36:31Speaker 1: you for being with us. We appreciate it. Coming up next,
- 36:33Speaker 1: it's Greg and it's Jessamyn Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.