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Show 73: Man's relationship to God part 2 · The Uncensored Catholic

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Hey, you welcome today's show. We're going to continue a little bit with
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Irenaeus in his against heresies. He is explaining why the toral law was imposed
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on the Jews. He's explaining, I guess you would say, the failings
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of man in regard to natural law. It's as part of what we were
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talking about yesterday of why God made man and what is man's duty to God.
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So let's get back into to start with our radio replies, questions,
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and answers. You may remember from yesterday if you listen to yesterday's show,
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that this man is who is questioning the priest claims that he is what would
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you say, spiritual without being religious. He believes in God who rejects organized
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religion and says that because he's good, he's going to go to heaven.
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In the last question, he asked them what how they define a good man?
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And they said that's a man who tries to be moral and who helps
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his neighbor and loves God, gives his duty to both man and God.
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Like Jesus, love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself.
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He continues, but surely I can do that without adopting a particular form
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of religion. If I adopt a particular church, I antagonize my fellow men.
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So I keep neutral and bear ill will to none. Is that interesting?
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So even in the nineteen thirties, I guess when this book was written,
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maybe early nineteen forties, the secularist, the modernist, the college educated
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would say, give the universe, unitarian, universalist view of all religions are
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equal. You know, he's not going to judge one over the other,
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say one is true and one is faults, and he's going to say should
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he choose, he would antagonize his fellow man. Well, there's nothing new
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under the sign, is there? If that isn't still what they're teaching in
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colleges. I mean, having been to four or five different colleges and universities,
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yes, I can tell you that is exactly what the teaching colleges.
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Your parents were ignorant. You were brought up in an ignorant ideology, and
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you need to be kind everyone because you're obviously prejudiced. If you're Christian,
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you're biased, you're bigoted. Well, they answer him. Once you find
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that God has revealed a particular form of religion, you must accept it.
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You will not assume any obligation to bear any ill will toward others. Rather,
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you will have an additional obligation to avoid it. But you are not
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justified in refusing to adopt that particular form of religion because you will antagonize your
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fellow man. If thus you secure the ill will of others, that is
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not your fault and is their loss. We may never let what men may
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think of us matter more than what God thinks of us. After all,
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it is God who will judge us, and not our fellow men. And
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I would go a step further and say that Jesus said in the Bible,
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if you follow him, you will be hated and despised and rejected. That
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is the trade that. Forget the prosperity doctrine, forget the shiny happy people.
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Christians will suffer, Christians will face rejection. Christians will not have an
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easy life. Better to suffer here than in the afterlife. In the words
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of the venerable fult Machine, you may know the true church because it's the
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one that all of society opposes and most men hate. And that's the Catholic
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Church. Boy, can I tell you that for sure? Living in North
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Carolina, you know, in the mountains, we're very live and let live,
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keep yourself, don't interfere with each other. That's that's the mountain athos.
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You know. This is where the Irish and Scottish and Scots Irish and
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such outlaws got away from the English who would colonize the coast and settled.
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This is the over mountain men. This is the trappers and moonshiners that actually
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won the American Revolution. Very fiercely independent. But you don't poke your nose
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in someone else's business. That's that's just the way it is. Obviously,
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if your neighbor's making moonshine and you poked your nose into his business, you
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might get shot off. So I was really surprised about probably fifteen years ago.
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I was down you know, I have family in the middle part of
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the state Sandhills. Yeah, no, near Fayetteville. Let's just Moore County,
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southern Pines, Pinehurst, that area, and I had never actually experienced
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I mean, I experienced anti Catholicism from people who knew me, people I
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went to school with in Virginia, people who were friends and family in both
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you know, eastern and western parts of the state. People who would see
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me wearing a crucifix in a grocery store and start screaming at me, complete
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stranger. Yeah, you would definitely know which is a true church by which
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church is most hated. Maybe I shouldn't say screaming. Screaming would be an
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overstatement, but I had definitely had some encounters with complete strangers that could have
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become violent very easily. You know, I'm a big guy. I'm six
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four two twenty. When i'm lean, I'm probably about two twenty five.
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Right now, I'm probably a little overweight. I need to need to get
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back chopping some wood. But yeah, I mean I usually carry a hunting
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knife on my belt. Sometimes I carry a pistol. I drive an old,
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beat up pickup truck. A lot of people won't mess with me.
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But I could definitely see that if I had been a smaller framed man or
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a woman, I could have been in some serious physical danger in some of
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these cases, some of these instances, you know, what are you going
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to do? The Catholic Church is hated by essentially all liberals. The real
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Catholic Church, real Catholicism, not the Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi garbage that
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just uses their religion as a cover as they support abortion and homosexuality and all
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that liberals hate. The Catholic Church. Catholic Church is the only institution on
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earth that has infallible authority. They hate it. It opposes everything they believe
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in and most many obviously many Protestants, whether they be Conservative or Republican or
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whatever. I mean, they'll they'll embrace fringe Protestant groups. You know,
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they may have a good time when the Jehovah's Witness knocks on the door,
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sit down, give them, you know, glass iced tea, and chat
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with them for a while. They will embrace Jews. Many times Muslims will
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go out of their way to make Muslims feel comfortable, which is great,
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they should, no doubt about it. They meet a Catholic and suddenly the
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mask falls off and it's like there's a demon screaming at you. I would
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never I never knew that to be the case, and never could have imagined
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it until I became Catholic, and until I went to Moore County, North
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Carolina. Now I've experienced in other places, yeah, other places in North
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Carolina and in other states, but for some reason, in Pine her Southern
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Pines. Whoa Aberdeen. Yeah, you're gonna run into the teeth of a
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very bigoted population. But then again, you know, it's just up the
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road from Laurenburg, where they used to have signs with Klansman on them saying
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the q klux Klan welcomes you to our county. Be sure to obey our
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laws while you are here. You know, not exactly this is scott Sire,
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center of North Carolina sand Hills and has never been a place that was
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welcoming to Catholics. In fact, Pinehurst, which is like this Yankee enclave
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in North Carolina, Southerners have never lived in Pinehurst. It was actually developed
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by Yankees as a golf resort and all that actually started as a place for
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people with tuberculosis to go to. But then it became about golf they barred.
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Okay, So in order to join the country club and play golf in
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Pinehurst, which is the home of golf in America, it's where the National
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Golf Museum in Hall of Fame and everything is right in order to buy property,
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you had to be a club member. In order to be a club
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member, you had to buy property. So they kemp a very strict control
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and who could come in, and well into the nineteen sixties, I believe,
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maybe even the early nineteen seventies, they prohibited Catholics and Jews from joining
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the country club and owning property. Yeah, most people don't know that,
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but even when it was an official policy, they had people who would screen
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the applications looking for certain last names. Yeah. So, anyway you want
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to find the true church, look for the one that's hated, look for
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the one that nobody likes. So what Jesus said, he promised it.
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He promised if you were a Christian you were going to be rejected and hated
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and despised. And there you go. So the guy goes on, I
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call myself religious, follow the truth wherever it leads, and am not afraid
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of God's devils or clergymen. Is that a sin? And they answer,
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you may follow what you think to be the truth, But how do you
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know that it is the truth? If because you think so, there is
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no possibility of mistake. If you accept ideas because wise men have uttered them,
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remember that equally wise men have denied them. You need not be afraid
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of God's devils or clergymen. If you are sincerely looking for the truth.
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But you need to be afraid of your own mental limitations. The wisest philosophers
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have fallen into the most absurd errors at times. Above all, in questions
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of religion. You owe a debt to God. You do not pay in
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the way that He demands. If you refuse to pay earthly bills, you
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are arrested and have to answer in court. God is not foolish. He
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does not give commandments for nothing. He cannot be escaped. Death arrests every
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man, and he who neglects God's just demands for religious worship and acknowledgement will
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have to answer for his conduct. I don't think he anymore needs to be
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said on that. Let's get into Saint Ironeus. Remember we were talking about
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why God gave to the ancient Israelites, the Hebrews, the Jews, and
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the desert the law he continues from yesterday, and I believe this is chapter
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fifteen a book five of against Heresy. They me and the Jews had therefore
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a law, a course of discipline, and a prophecy of future things that
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made the Jewish people unique among all peoples on earth. God actually revealed himself
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to them. He took them as his people, as chosen people. He
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disciplined them through the law, and he gave them prophets who foretold of the
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coming of the Messiah. And Okay, I'm reading a little bit, and
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I'm commenting. What I just said were my own words. I think you
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can you know, you can tell, which is what my tone actually usually
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changes when I stop reading and start speaking. I do that without even being
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aware of it. But I think most people can follow. So continuing for
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God at first indeed warning them by the means of natural precepts, which from
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the beginning he had implanted in mankind, that is, by means of the
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decalogue ten commandments, which if anyone does not observe, he has no salvation.
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Did then demand nothing more of them? As Moses says in Deuteronomy,
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these are all the words which the Lord spake to the whole assembly of the
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sons of Israel on the mount. And he added no more, and he
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wrote them on two tables of stone and gave them to me. Think about
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this. You go to open your Bible, go to the front, and
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you get to Leviticus and Deuteronomy in numbers, and it's just wow. This
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incredibly complex, what's known as Torah law. What Saint Aronaeus is pointing out
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here, just as Saint Justin Martyr did before him, just as Saint Ignatius
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did before him, just as Saint Paul didn't the Bible, just as Saint
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Peter didn't the Bible. The law, the toral law was specific to the
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Jewish people before the coming of Christ. All that he originally gave them was
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the Ten Commandments. But because immediately before they could even bring the Ten Commandments
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down from the mountain, they went back to worshiping idols in violation of the
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first of the ten Commandments, that was gonna have no other gods before me.
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He added on moral laws, to keep his ordinances always before their hearts,
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to discipline them, and essentially undo, to the best it could be
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done, the bad habits they had learned in Egypt, of idol worship and
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such. He went on. For this reason. He did so that they
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who were willing to follow him might keep the commandments. But when they turned
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themselves to make a calf and had gone back in their minds to Egypt,
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desiring to be slaves instead of free men, they were placed for the future
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in a state of servitude suited to their wish, a slavery which did not
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indeed cut them off from God, but subjected them to the yoke of bondage,
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as is Eka the Prophet, when stating the reason for giving such a
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law to Claires, and their eyes were after the desire of their heart,
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and I gave them statutes which were not good, and judgments in which they
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shall not live. Luke has also recorded that Stephen, who was the first
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elected to the diaconite by the apostles, and who was the first slain for
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his testimony of Christ, spoke regarding Moses as follows. This man did indeed
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receive the commandments of the Living God given to us, whom your fathers would
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not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back
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to Egypt, saying into erin, make us Gods to go before us,
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for we did not know what has happened to this Moses, who led us
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out of the land of Egypt. And they met a calf in those days
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and offered sacrifices to the idol and were rejoicing in the works of their own
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hands. But God turned and gave them up to the worship of the host
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of heavens, as is written in the books of the Prophets, O,
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ye house of Israel, have you offered me sacrifices and oblations for forty years
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in the wilderness, and ye took up the tavernaco of Moloch and the star
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of the God from rim Fan. I guess figures which ye made to worship
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them, pointing out plainly that the law being such was not given to them
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by another God, but that adapted to their condition of servitude. It originated
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from the very same God as we worship. Wherefore, also he says to
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Moses an Exodus, I will send forth my Angel before me, for I
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would not go up with thee because thou art a stiff necked people. In
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other words, not only had the Hebrew people become accustomed to idol worship in
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the land of Egypt, they had become accustomed to servitude, serving not just
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the Egyptians as slaves, but the false gods who are demons. And so
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God gives them a law that he himself says is not good, and he
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did not intend as a form of discipline because they were a stiff necked people.
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Remember that Saint Paul in Romans says that we are Christians who believe in
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Jesus, who are baptized into the Church are no longer slaves, but our
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errors adopted through Christ. The Jewish people were made slaves to the law.
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We are no longer under the law. We are errors, part of the
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family of God. An incredible promise. Today I did the Gospel Reflection from
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Mizzi O day, and I spent a good deal of time on this very
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topic. Being co errs, brothers and sisters in Christ. Never before in
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the history of the world had anyone understood the fatherhood of God, the Father,
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as explained by Jesus entering into the body of Christ. By coming into
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the Church, becoming a brother and sister in Christ, we share in his
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sonship, his divinity. His Father is now our father, not just the
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creator of the universe, not like a clockmaker who just winds it up and
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lets it go, but a personal relationship with our Lord and brother, Jesus
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Christ and our Father, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit who comes
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from to all within us. And as I've explained about a week ago,
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I guess when we were talking about the nature of saints, people ask where
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is Heaven? Well, where is heaven. Heaven is where God exists.
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Where does God exist? God exists within your heart. Through the sacraments of
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the Catholic Church, we take God into our hearts. The Holy Spirit,
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the Kingdom of Heaven, is actually within us, and so yes, we
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can pray to Jesus, we can pray the Father, although we can play
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the Holy Spirit. We can talk with all the angels and saints because they
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live now within our hearts. And the more holy we become, the more
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we enter into that infinite, timeless reality that is the Kingdom of God.
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We'll find it on the altar in a Catholic church, and the Eucharist we
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eat it and drink it when we take the body and blood of Christ within
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us, and it dwells within our hearts. If we could from one moment
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see the reality, sat Padro Pio said, we would see that we are
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surrounded by so many angels and demons fighting for our souls that they would block
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out the sun. Heaven's not somewhere up there in the clouds. It's actually
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right here in your heart and right here around you. You're living in it,
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but you're covered, your eyes are covered, and you can't see it.
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It would terrify most people if they did see it. It should you
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know, the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom. I mean,
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that's what Ecclesiasties I think. I think it's Ecclesiasties could be the book
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of wisdom. But I think it's Ecclesiasties. That's a lot to digest,
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isn't it. I mean, when you really think about it, I mean,
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did you know your guardian angels standing right beside you this moment? How
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do I know that? Well, that's what the Catholic Church teachers. But
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Jesus also said, do you not know that each one of these little ones,
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says an angel who continually witnesses before the face of my Father's really something,
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isn't it? Wants to turn back tyranning us for a minute, he
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continues, And not only so, but the Lord also showed that certain precepts
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were an act for them by Moses on account of their hardness of heart and
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because of their unwillingness to be obedient when they're saying to him, Why then
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did Moses command to give a writing of divorcement and to send away a wife?
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He said, because of the hardness of your heart. He permitted these
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things to you. But from the beginning it was not so, thus explicating
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Moses as a faithful servant, but acknowledging one God who from the beginning made
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male and female, and reproving them as hard hearted and disobedient. And therefore
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it was that they received from Moses's law of divorcement adapted to their hard nature.
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But why say I these things concerning the Old Testament? For in the
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New also are the apostles found doing this very thing on the ground which has
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been mentioned. Paul plainly declaring, but these things I say not the Lord.
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And again, but this I speak by permission, not by commandment.
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And again, as concerning virgins, I have no commandment from the Lord.
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Yet I give my judgment as one as one that hath obtained mercy of the
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Lord to be faithful. But further, in other places he says that Satan
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tipps you not for your incontinence. If therefore, even in the New Testament,
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the apostles are found grounding granting certain precepts and considerations of human infirmity because
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of the incontinence of some less some persons having grown obdurate. That means stubborn.
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You probably know that, but you know sort of a word we don't
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use anymore, and despairing altogether their salvation should become apostates from God. It
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ought not be wondered at if also in the Old Testament, the same God
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permitted similar indulgences for the beginning for the benefit of his people, drawing them
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on by means of ordinances already mentioned, so that they might obtain the gift
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of salvation through them while they obeyed the Decalogue and being restrained by him,
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should not revert to idolatry nor apostasize from God, but learned to love Him
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with the whole heart. And if certain persons because of their disobedience and ruined.
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Because of the disobedience and ruined Israelites do asshut do assert that the giver
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of the law was limited in power, They will find in our dispensation that
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many are called, but few are chosen, and that there are those who
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inwardly are wolves ship wear sheep's clothing in the eyes of the world. And
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that God has always preserved freedom and the power of self government in man,
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while at the same time he issued his own exhortations in order that those who
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do not obey him should be righteously judged and even condemned because they have not
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obeyed him, and those who have obeyed him and believe on him should be
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hundred with immortality. It's really important, especially in this day and time.
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You know, I mentioned yesterday how very often our Torah observant brothers and sisters,
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and our Seven day Adventist brothers and sisters who do not claim communion with
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us. Obviously, they say we're going to hell because we go to church
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on Sunday and that the popacy Antichrist and we worship the devil. We try
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to look at them more charitably. We cannot deny that they are very fervent
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in their belief, very pious, and they are actually trying with all their
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mind's, heart and souls to do what they believe is right. They do
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this because, you know, they didn't pay attention to the eunuch and the
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Bible, who, when reading the scripture said how can I understand it when
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I have no one to explain it to me. They believe that they can
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understand it, and they get kind of stuck in the Old Testament and don't
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get to the New Testament. They don't read apparently all the chapters where Saint
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Paul is saying, no, Christians are no longer the law. Christians are
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no longer under the law. We don't follow the law anymore. We are
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no longer slaves to the law. We are free, and we are heirs
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in Christ. Jesus, who took on the penalty all the penalty of the
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law suffered. Now the law died with him. He was resurrecting on Sunday.
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We're now Sunday people in a new religion, totally freed from the law.
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Here Saint Irenaeus is explaining specifically that the law was given to the Jews
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in the desert, not before, and we'll get into that tomorrow. You
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know, Abraham wasn't under the law. Moses wasn't under the law. There
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was no circumcision or sabbaths for Abraham and Moses, and yet they were deemed
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righteous by God. It was only abraham descendants who would be circumcised. He
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was deemed righteous before the law of circumcision came into place. God gave these
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complex, hard to follow, stringent laws to force a stiff necked people into
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obedience. They still rejected and killed the prophets and could not understand Jesus who
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said, what's necessary for salvation? What parts of the law are important?
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Love God when your entire, your whole heart, love your neighbors, yourself,
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don't you're not steal to not commit adultry, see it. I mean
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a couple others. You know, no idol worship, obviously, but he
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didn't talk about Sabbaths, and he didn't talk about circumcision, and he didn't
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talk about dietary laws. And quite specifically, and again we'll get to this
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tomorrow, the authors of the New Testament, it said, no longer do
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they follow the Jewish holidays, you know, the passover Yam kapoor is what
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we're in right now, right, et cetera. Or sabbaths. They no
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longer honor the Jewish Sabbath, nor the dietary laws. They ate pork,
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they ate shellfish, nor the cleanliness laws of handwashing, not associating with gentiles,
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not touching dead bodies. All that was done away. And I will
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tell you this, having had many debates with our Torah observant and seven day
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adminis and etcetera. Fringe Christians who are very good and very pious and love
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God with their whole arts, but very confused. You can read the plain
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words of the Bible to them, they will twist the words and turn in
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to fit their beliefs. You cannot get them read the early church fathers.
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They reject them. You could say, look, this is what the first
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Christians. Here's the DDK. It was actually written by the twelve the Apostles.
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They won't read it. A very rare one might, and that one
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will probably be open to conversion. You can do whatever you want. The
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only way you're going to convince these people is through example. Be a better
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Christian. What I mean, be a better Christian. How can you be
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a better Christian someone that tries to live so stringently by the Bible. Well,
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Jesus said, those who love me will keep my commandments, strive for
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holiness, lived by the Bible and the Catechism, the teachings of the Church,
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holy tradition, sacred tradition. I guess I should say, receive the
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sacraments and let the love of God and the Holy Spirit radiate from you,
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and be the person they aspire to be. It's the only way such people
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are going to be converted, because theirs is not an intellectual belief. It's
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very emotional. You cannot argue with emotion. I think every man who's ever
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tried to argue with a woman would agree. Remember this, the uncensored Catholic
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I can be a little politically incorrect. Men do not ever win arguments with
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women. Why not because one's right and the other's wrong, but because women
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argue from a place of emotion and men argue from a place of logic.
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Ideally, every now and then you do meet a very logical woman, and
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there their jewel. They're an absolute wonderful gem, and they're very rare.
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Far too often, though, you, especially in this day in age,
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when people are poorly educated and not taught logic and rationality, you end up
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arguing with emotional men, and they're absolutely worthless. An emotional man, a
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man who thinks as a woman, is not a man and has no worth
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in society. He is not fulfilling the role God gave him. I'm saying
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a poet. A poet can be sensitive, or an artist, or even
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just a normal man who tears up when his kid or his grandkid does something
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or his dog dies. Okay, yeah, men can be emotional. Men
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should be emotional. But God made man to be logical and reasonable. God
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made woman to be emotional, and it's a great bonus if she's also logical.
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Sorry if that offends you, but we'll get into that someday. There's
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actually a lot of writing by you know, great saints and doctors of the
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church on ginger roles, and they're quite politically incorrect these days. Just reading
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the other day and Father Sparago's book, and yeah, he would really make
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a lot of feminists very angry, but you know that's the way God made
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us. So anyway, we're going to have to bring these people back into
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the fold. And because they do love God so much that they will separate
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themselves from society. There are a lot of my friends who are preppers who
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are fall into this category. It's going to take example, it's going to
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take You're gonna have to be the Christian they want to be. You're going
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to have to be a living saint because you're not getting through them with logic
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or facts or history. It's just not going to happen. Prayer, a
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lot of prayer, especially to the blessed Virgin Mary for their conversion, will
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be efficacious. But you go back to the Sirac. I believe it is
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syric. Is he a wisdom of Siric? I believe it was Sirac who
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said, why you really should not argue with certain people. It's not in
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another you know, another book. It's just casting your pearls before swine.
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He said not to argue with a fool. Actually, you know, it's
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one of those controversial words in the Bible. Does said call no man a
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fool? And then just a few sentences later he's saying, you fool,
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You're very life will be required of you tonight. Well, Si I said,
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do not argue with a fool, because he will rail and laugh in
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your face, and you're just wasting your breath. Some people will only come
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to conversion through example when they see that you are more filled with the spirit,
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which you will be if you're in community with the Catholic Church. You
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eat and drink the body and blood of Christ, and without that you have
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no wife in you. They're gonna want to find out why, what makes
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you who you are? You know, when you suffer insults and you don't
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respond in kind, that's hard? Boy? Is that hard for a big
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old hillbilly like me? You know kind of a John Wayne type by nature.
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When you're loyal and you know everyone else is being divorced three and four
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and five times, and you marry once for life and raise a good family.
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When they see you sacrifice for your kids, when they see your kids
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are better behaved and more knowledgeable than their kids, when they see the gentleness
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of spirit that only comes through through God, through the Holy Spirit, the
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love of Christ. That that's how you'll convert such people, such people who
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probably know the words of the Bible better than you know them, but do
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not understand them. When they see that understanding and they see you living out
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the love of God, the Christian truth, then and only then are they
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going to come along. And until then, yeah, they're probably going to
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look down on you. I insult you think they know much better than you
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do. When you know you're a lot smart and more educated and learned and
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knowledgeable than they are, They're gonna mock you. That's exactly what it said
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in see Iraq. But just hold true of the faith. Just remember the
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other You know, those who endure to the end will be saved. Remember
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the parable Jesus gave of the seeds sown. You know, Some seeds are
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sown in fertile ground. Some seeds are sown in rocky paths. Some shoot
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up and they're full of vigor, and then they die back. And I'm
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afraid that's what many of our Evangelical Protestant brothers and sisters will experience. They
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will shoot up, full of vigor and vibrance, and then the heat of
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the sun will just dry him up. Because there's only one church, there's
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only one truth, and there's only one truth church that's going to stand to
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the end of time is guaranteed by Jesus. So it's hard. It's supposed
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to be hard. Jesus said it would be hard once again. That's a
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sign you're on the right path, all right. Go in the words of
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Saint Pasri Pio, pray, hope and don't worry, and I will talk
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to you. Tomorro