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Monday Mini: An Update on Women and the Economy · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. Welcome to stuff I've
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Speaker 1: never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: And y'all, yes, we are here with a Monday Mini
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Speaker 2: that we're going to talk about a lot of numbers
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Speaker 2: and statistics. With the economy the way it is, it's
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Speaker 2: been interesting question mark to watch how the job market
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Speaker 2: continues to progress or not progress, and we started wondering
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Speaker 2: what it looks like for women in the job market today.
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Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, not much has changed in the last twenty years.
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Speaker 2: So we've talked about this often. We talked about it
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Speaker 2: right after the pandemic, during the pandemic, before the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: We keep talking about it, and I think it's important
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Speaker 2: that we continue to do so because until there's actual change,
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Speaker 2: we need to recognize that there are things that could
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Speaker 2: be done that's not done. Yeah, there's so much happening.
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Speaker 2: But with that, I thought we would take a moment
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Speaker 2: and talk about women dominated careers and then also gender
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Speaker 2: gaps in different fields and what that looks like and
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Speaker 2: what we need to talk about today. A lot of
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Speaker 2: the statistics are coming from twenty twenty three and twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four, so here's some specific numbers from the Department
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Speaker 2: of Labor talking about most common occupations for women in
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Speaker 2: the labor force. So a little different in that we're
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Speaker 2: not talking about everything, and we will we will, but
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Speaker 2: this is specifically in the labor force, and they're talking
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Speaker 2: about registered nurse is the highest for women, and they
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Speaker 2: have about two point two million women in that labor force.
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that high. And that is the highest
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Speaker 2: number that I've seen. Elementary and middle school teachers one million,
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Speaker 2: seven hundred and ninety nine thousand, so around that point
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Speaker 2: we have managers and all other I know what all
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Speaker 2: other means, but you know, I was gonna put that there,
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Speaker 2: which is at one point five million, But then if
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Speaker 2: you go all the way down, because I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to go through all of it, A lot of it
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Speaker 2: has to do with teaching assistance, a receptionist assistance. There's
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Speaker 2: a few about human resource workers, all of that. The
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Speaker 2: lowest number that I have on according to the Department
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Speaker 2: of Labor is janitors and building cleaners, whichhit at four
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven thousand, post secondary teachers, which I
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Speaker 2: hit at four hundred and forty five thousand, and preschool
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Speaker 2: in kindergarten teachers. I have five hundred and five thousand,
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Speaker 2: which I was kind of surprised by that number. I
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Speaker 2: would have thought was much higher the entirety of the
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Speaker 2: time that I worked in preschool, and yes, I taught
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Speaker 2: pre school for about four years, y'all. I'm a well
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Speaker 2: rounded worker. There was never a dude.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't think of a in my experience, and
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Speaker 1: just like my anecdotal right experience, I can't think of
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Speaker 1: a man who is a guarden teacher.
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Speaker 2: I think the first male teacher outside of like coaches
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Speaker 2: and gym class didn't have happen until high school. For me.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a good point. I think mine was in
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Speaker 1: middle school, but not in elementary school.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not elementary school, not kindergarten. So I thought that
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Speaker 2: was interesting in itself. So those are some of the
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Speaker 2: stats that I see. Receptionists and clerks at six hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy thousand, so below the millions mark. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the secretary and administrators were at one point four million,
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Speaker 2: and we are going to talk about them a little
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Speaker 2: more in a bit. So according to inhrsite dot com,
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Speaker 2: here are some of the reasons why these industries are
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Speaker 2: mostly women industries. There's the historic reason some industries childcare, education,
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Speaker 2: nursing have always been more populated with women do largely
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Speaker 2: in part to sexism relegating women to gender specific roles
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Speaker 2: with women as caretakers. While that is changing, it's not
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Speaker 2: changing quickly. Studies just a jobs associated with higher risks
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Speaker 2: construction and manufacturing, as we talked about, appill more to
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Speaker 2: men because women aren't as willing to risk their lives
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Speaker 2: to make a living. Other experts have said women tend
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Speaker 2: to avoid male dominated industries so they can avoid the
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Speaker 2: gender related harassment that can come with them, and sometimes
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Speaker 2: the occupations that appeal to women tend to offer a
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Speaker 2: better work life balance than those that attract more men.
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Speaker 2: A perk necessary because women often do more child rearing,
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Speaker 2: household yours, and unpaid labor than their significant others. We
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Speaker 2: talked about this a lot constantly. We did. We talked
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Speaker 2: about why women were quitting right after the pandemic or
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Speaker 2: during the pandemic, because it was impossible for them to
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Speaker 2: do that, especially when they were staying at home and working,
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Speaker 2: because the automatic assumption was they would also be doing
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Speaker 2: that unpaid labor at the same time, and it was
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Speaker 2: not working. It isn't working. And coming back to those statistics,
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Speaker 2: to statista dot com with twenty occupations with the highest
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Speaker 2: share of female employees worldwide in twenty twenty three and
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Speaker 2: this one, they have childcare workers and teachers AID as
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Speaker 2: the top occupation and that is held at twenty three
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Speaker 2: point eight percent of those workers are women, So that's
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Speaker 2: ridiculously high, which is what I wanted to assume. And
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Speaker 2: then nursing and midwivary associate professionals they hold about eighty
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Speaker 2: two percent of the UH employment. The lower ones kind
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Speaker 2: of along the whole, like rugged path I guess it's
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Speaker 2: textile for and leather products, machine operators, which they held
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Speaker 2: at forty seven percent, which seems really specific, but also
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Speaker 2: kind of surprising when it comes to like machine products
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Speaker 2: because we know worldwide the use of labor, like outsourced labor.
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Speaker 2: I imagine we're mainly women for that type, do you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That's interesting.
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Speaker 2: But there's also a subsistence of livestock farmers, which they
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Speaker 2: held fifty percent of that occupation, which was also surprising
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Speaker 2: for me. Maybe that's come around since then. We have
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Speaker 2: librarians and archivists and curators holding out fifty nine percent,
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Speaker 2: and then general secretaries or were fifty five percent. These
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Speaker 2: numbers don't seem to match up in my head.
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Speaker 1: What's your experience?
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Speaker 2: Well, no, because between the Department of Labor.
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Speaker 1: Numbers, Oh I see, I see, But this is like
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Speaker 1: the difference. This is worldwide I guess the US and worldwide.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is a whole different conversation in itself.
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Speaker 2: So let's do some status and pay from both in
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Speaker 2: her Sight and top resume dot com. So they give
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Speaker 2: you different numbers, and in this one they say forty
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Speaker 2: women dominated careers and their salaries. And yes, this is
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Speaker 2: based off the US Bureau of Labor statistics and it's
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Speaker 2: compiled within the US workforce. But this was from twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty one, So this is in her Sight from twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty one, so it was a little outdated. And I
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Speaker 2: will say, even though not much has changed, the numbers
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Speaker 2: have changed, the figures have changed, so statistics not necessarily,
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Speaker 2: but when it comes to pay and increase in all
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Speaker 2: that that has changed. So keep that in mind, because
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Speaker 2: this was from twenty twenty one. It says speech language pathologist,
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Speaker 2: which happen to be a big thing with women. Apparently
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Speaker 2: they hold about ninety five percent and they make eighty
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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a year. Phlebotomus kept popping up as
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Speaker 2: one of the highest based careers and they hold ninety
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Speaker 2: percent of that with only thirty eight thousand. I think
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Speaker 2: it would make more than that. Of course, social workers
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Speaker 2: my world here, they eighty three percent are made up
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Speaker 2: of women. They make fifty seven where causeout no sorry
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Speaker 2: sorry anyway. Nurse practitioners which we talked about a little
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Speaker 2: bit earlier, they hold about eighty seven percent and they
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Speaker 2: make a hundred in eighteen thousand. Nice. Nice, nice. Then
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Speaker 2: we have home health aids who make up eighty seven
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Speaker 2: percent and only make twenty nine thousand. That's specific to
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Speaker 2: medicine and health, by the way. And then we have
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Speaker 2: that in business. So when we see executive secretaries and
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Speaker 2: executive administrative assistance, ninety six percent are held by women,
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Speaker 2: which was on board with the Department of Labor. They
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Speaker 2: make sixty six thousand, a little over receptionists, I guess,
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Speaker 2: not the executive level, but receptionists and information clerks. They
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Speaker 2: held ninety percent of those positions, and that's thirty two thousand.
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Speaker 2: That's within the business office and then human resources manager
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Speaker 2: that's about eighty percent are made up of women. And
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Speaker 2: you don't, I don't know, I feel like we need
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Speaker 2: to come back to this. This maybe really really specific.
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Speaker 2: But as I'm listening to, like you know, am I
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Speaker 2: the whole types of rattus and all these like ask
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Speaker 2: questions to the internet type of conversations, human resource managers
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Speaker 2: are mean, but they are seen as almost it's like
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Speaker 2: the main girls of the office, which I found interesting,
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Speaker 2: and that the eighty percent of them are held by women.
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Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder if this is a sexist narrative
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Speaker 2: that just comes they need to blame somebody because unfortunately
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Speaker 2: HR is blamed for so many things when in actuality
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Speaker 2: that's just the director of their following. Maybe I don't know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, just wondering, just wondering. But they do
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Speaker 2: make one hundred and thirty six thousand dollars a year,
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Speaker 2: so get it, okay, ladies, get it. Then. Careers related
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Speaker 2: to money, payroll and timekeeping clerks eighty six percent are
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Speaker 2: held by women, book keeping, accounting audience clerks eighty four
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Speaker 2: percent are held by women. Tellers only seventy six percent
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Speaker 2: are held by women, which I thought would be much higher.
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Speaker 2: To be honest, I thought they kind of would hit
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Speaker 2: like the nurse practitioner skill who knows tellers make thirty
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Speaker 2: four thousand, timekeeping makes forty nine thousand, and bookkeeping makes
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Speaker 2: forty five thousand, and accounting as well. We have health
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Speaker 2: and fitness, these aren't surprising to me. Skincare specialists ninety
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Speaker 2: eight percent of positions are held by women and they
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Speaker 2: make around forty one thousand. Hairdressers, cosmetologists ninety two percent
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Speaker 2: are held by women, around thirty six thousand. Massage therapists
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Speaker 2: eighty three percent are held by women, and manicurists and
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Speaker 2: pedicurists are eighty three percent are held by women, So
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Speaker 2: those are not super surprising. When we go back and
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Speaker 2: talk about education, preschool and kindergarten teachers on here says
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Speaker 2: this ninety six percent held by women, which is not
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Speaker 2: what we saw in the Department of Labor, So I
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Speaker 2: wonder where those numbers changed. Childcare in general ninety four
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Speaker 2: percent are held by women. They have a school. Psychologists
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Speaker 2: ninety one percent are held by women, which is surprising
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Speaker 2: to me because I have men, and I have a
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Speaker 2: couple of men who are my school psychologists, which is
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Speaker 2: surprising for a small town in Elija, Georgia. When we
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Speaker 2: talked about the elementary modlet school teachers, seventy nine percent
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Speaker 2: were held by women. In the creative industries, floral designers,
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Speaker 2: seventy six percent are held by women, and then more
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Speaker 2: women dominated careers can include pair legals and hostesses and restaurants,
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Speaker 2: library assistants, interpreters and translators are actually held by women
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Speaker 2: as well, and they make about thirty seventy three percent
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Speaker 2: and they can make fifty eight thousand a year.
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Speaker 1: We've been meeting to do an episode on Yeah Wild.
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Speaker 2: So some of these were surprising, some of them were
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Speaker 2: not surprising. Some of them were surprising in that there
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Speaker 2: were even bigger gaps and larger gaps of like only
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Speaker 2: six percent or men. That's shocking to me on some things. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we talked about it. The skincare specialists is a huge
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Speaker 2: on top resume, they're saying ninety nine percent are made
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Speaker 2: up by women.
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Speaker 1: You know what the frustrating thing is though, that one
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Speaker 1: percent of men they like make more money.
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Speaker 2: And the other part to this is I'm kind of
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Speaker 2: confused because when I see, like when they say skincare specialists.
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming they're not talking about plastic surgery or surgery,
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Speaker 2: which I assume would be along those lines. Dermatologists and
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Speaker 2: specialists like that who are actually, you know, doctors. They
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Speaker 2: often work in medical spas, health spas, salons, and independently
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Speaker 2: owned so literally technicians, I guess is what I've seen
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Speaker 2: in the title as if you work in the skincare industry,
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Speaker 2: let me know, because I'd like. I find it fascinating.
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Speaker 2: I think it's such a great field I trust. I
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Speaker 2: trust those specialists more than I do doctors. I don't
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Speaker 2: know why. And people who want to put me under
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Speaker 2: the knife, like give me other solutions, you know what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Again, we talked about preschool teachers and kindergartens.
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Speaker 2: They're saying that ninety six percent are made up of women.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know why, the Labor Board why. I
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Speaker 2: wonder what that statistic came from, or if it was
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Speaker 2: a mistake. Dental hygienis, which we didn't talk about earlier,
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Speaker 2: they make about ninety five percent of women, make up
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Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the workforce, and they make eighty
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Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars With an associate degree so yeah, get it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they make or break a dentist office.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, usually the dentist comes in at the end and
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Speaker 1: it's like, looks all right, but the dental hygienist did
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Speaker 1: all the other all their work.
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Speaker 2: But also that if they're rough and they make your
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Speaker 2: gums like swell up and bruise, never.
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Speaker 1: Go back again.
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Speaker 2: I'll never go back again. They're already scared. I'm already
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Speaker 2: scared of you. So those are the numbers.
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Speaker 1: Again.
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Speaker 2: We talked about the phlebotomist, which I'm I really did
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Speaker 2: not think that this was a female dominated career, but
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Speaker 2: it apparently has like one of the faster than average
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Speaker 2: growth rates, uh in this profession. And yeah, they work
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Speaker 2: in the laboratories like like that's some intense work. But
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Speaker 2: they also get only like forty the medium pays up
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Speaker 2: forty one thousand, which I'm like, they have a lot
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Speaker 2: to do. This is really important work. I don't understand.
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Speaker 2: But okay, but I did not realize that was one
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Speaker 2: of those things that were dominated by you know, women. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: now let's talk about the differences in gender. So we
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Speaker 2: went to Axios and looked at some of this stuff.
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Speaker 2: It says this is the share of US workers and
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Speaker 2: select occupation categories by gender. So this was in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three. This was created in twenty twenty three or
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Speaker 2: done based in twenty twenty three, and it was made
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Speaker 2: up of people sixteen years and older. So in that
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Speaker 2: whole comparison, it is showing that occupations that they categorized
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Speaker 2: with health care, personal care, education, office, food preparation, legal life, physical,
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Speaker 2: social science, sales, arts, management, farming, fishing, forestry, computer, mathematical, transportation,
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Speaker 2: material moving, architecture, and construction. Those are the films that
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Speaker 2: we're talking about here. At least of all of those,
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Speaker 2: the women held forty seven percent of those positions while
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Speaker 2: the men held fifty three percent of the positions. So
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Speaker 2: in healthcare support eighty four percent was held by women,
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Speaker 2: only sixteen were held by men. When we look at
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Speaker 2: food preparation and service, fifty four percent were held by
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Speaker 2: women and forty six were held by men. Education, yes,
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Speaker 2: seventy three are held by women, twenty seven percent by men.
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Speaker 2: And as you keep going down this list, of course
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Speaker 2: the number shift and it says in sales, forty nine
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Speaker 2: percent are held by women, fifty one percent is held
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Speaker 2: by men. In arts and entertainment, forty eight percent are
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Speaker 2: held by women, fifty two percent are held by men.
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Speaker 2: The farming, fishery, and forestry only twenty seven percent are
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Speaker 2: women as where men hold at least seventy three percent
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Speaker 2: of those positions, architecture and engineering, seventeen percent are held
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Speaker 2: by women while eighty three percent are held by men.
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Speaker 2: And then construction and an extraction, which we talked about before,
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Speaker 2: four percent are held by women. Ninety six percent are
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Speaker 2: held by men. And it says women now make up
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Speaker 2: forty seven percent of all workers in the US, compared
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Speaker 2: with just thirty percent back in nineteen fifties. It's been
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Speaker 2: seven years. I would hope so, but okay, but many
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Speaker 2: occupations aren't so evenly split between men and women. And
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Speaker 2: this is that conversation. Discrimination that serves to keep women
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Speaker 2: and men out of certain occupations of firefighters, hazing female recruits,
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Speaker 2: or sexual harassment in dominated workplaces like these are things
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Speaker 2: that affect the reasons why this isn't helped by women.
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Speaker 2: It says expectations that push women and men into certain roles.
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Speaker 2: They specifically talk about that the assumption that men are
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Speaker 2: supposed to be better at building stuff, for example, helps
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Speaker 2: explain why they make up ninety six percent of the
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Speaker 2: construction jobs and eighty four percent of the architects. Women
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Speaker 2: are supposed to be better at caring for people, so
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Speaker 2: eighty seven percent are of registered nurses or women. And
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Speaker 2: then they say, though the care norm changes that you
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Speaker 2: go by pay scale, sixty two percent of the physicians,
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Speaker 2: one of the highest paying roles, are men. Again, that's
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Speaker 2: that conversation we were talking about with the skincare specialists.
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Speaker 2: What are we talking about specifically, and who is making
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Speaker 2: the most amount of money and who was granted the
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Speaker 2: most amount of money? And I thought that was an
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Speaker 2: interesting statistic as well, because there's so much conversation that
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Speaker 2: still happening in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's try twenty four, but I'm assuming I know,
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Speaker 1: but this was three yes, Okay, just to clarify, Just.
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Speaker 2: To clarify, So Forbes dot com did stats on gender
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Speaker 2: pay gap, which they updated in March of twenty twenty four. Again,
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Speaker 2: some of this information is from again twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: and so everything I'm about to say is straight from
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Speaker 2: their article. I'm not trying to take credit for these statistics. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So they talk about the general gender wage gap statistics,
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Speaker 2: women earn sixteen percent less than men on average. We
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Speaker 2: know this. Women earned just eighty four cents for every
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Speaker 2: dollar a man makes. I feel like that number is
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Speaker 2: gone down. This is the last time we talked about it.
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Speaker 1: Possibly, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Speaker 2: As expected. Women of color are among the lowest paid
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Speaker 2: workers in rural areas, with rural Black and Hispanic women
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Speaker 2: making just fifty six cents for every dollar that rural
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Speaker 2: white non Hispanic men make. Latinas are compensated just fifty
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Speaker 2: five percent of what non Hispanic white men are paid.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, Black women are paid sixty four
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Speaker 2: percent of what non Hispanic white men are paid. Native
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Speaker 2: American women are typically paid only fifty nine cents for
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Speaker 2: every dollar paid to white non Hispanic men, and a
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Speaker 2: twenty year old woman just starting full time, year round
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Speaker 2: work stands to lose four hundred and seven thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: over a forty year career compared to her mail counterparts.
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Speaker 2: That's almost half a million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Yep, that's substantial amounts.
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Speaker 2: That's today's house. That's today that's a nice house.
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Speaker 1: Depending on your area.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I dare you I'm just saying, so there is
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Speaker 2: a conversation about but the controlled and uncontrolled pay gap,
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Speaker 2: and this is the difference. There are two types of
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Speaker 2: gender pay gaps, the controlled and uncontrolled gap. The controlled
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Speaker 2: gap measures the difference in pay between men and women
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Speaker 2: performing the same job with the same experience and qualifications.
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Speaker 2: The uncontrolled gap represents the overall difference in pay between
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Speaker 2: men and women considering all the jobs in industries in
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Speaker 2: which they work. So there are different types of gaps
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Speaker 2: and measurements that are used for this. I'm just stick
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Speaker 2: over this half a million thing. So the controlled gender
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Speaker 2: pay gap, which considers factors such as job title, experience, education, industry,
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Speaker 2: job level, and hours work, is currently at ninety nine
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Speaker 2: cents for every dollar men earn. So it has gotten
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Speaker 2: a little better dot dot dot.
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Speaker 1: Dot cost of tampons. I don't know, there's other things
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Speaker 1: a factor in.
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Speaker 2: It is And again though it's who is getting offered what. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that is that conversation. That is that conversation, and even
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Speaker 2: that once in difference is still a difference, and especially
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Speaker 2: if we're on the same level.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, why yeah, And when you talk about things like
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Speaker 1: you were saying, the harassment, the burnout all of that stuff.
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Speaker 1: It's quite possible. I like a lot of women drop
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Speaker 1: out of a career and so they're losing money in
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Speaker 1: that way because they have to deal with that and
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Speaker 1: maybe get therapy because of it.
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Speaker 2: And then some and we're not even talking about Oh,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about childcare, but like the
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Speaker 2: fact that that cost in itself is you need to
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Speaker 2: be making eighty thousand dollars to make even so you
20:42
Speaker 2: can't send a child the.
20:43
Speaker 1: Daycare, yeah, which is nowhere near as one child what
20:49
Speaker 1: most people are men no way in help.
20:51
Speaker 2: And this is a conversation from the Institute for Women's
20:53
Speaker 2: Policy Research from twenty twenty three. They're talking about the
20:56
Speaker 2: largest jobs for women with the worst pay and where
21:01
Speaker 2: do they only have five on this list? Again, this
21:04
Speaker 2: is that controlled gap. So there's financial managers where women
21:07
Speaker 2: only earn seventy one percent of what men earn, retail
21:12
Speaker 2: salesperson seventy two percent of what men earn, education and
21:16
Speaker 2: childcare administrators seventy nine percent, administrative assistance eighty percent, and
21:23
Speaker 2: managers eighty one percent. So these are the people who
21:26
Speaker 2: have the same experience, qualifications and have the same job
21:30
Speaker 2: are making that type of difference, So that's significant. So
21:33
Speaker 2: that ninety nine percent must be for those in that
21:35
Speaker 2: corporate is what I'm thinking. Maybe who are higher but
21:39
Speaker 2: CEO level I don't know, yeh, like those are That's
21:42
Speaker 2: the only compatible bit and just kind of end off.
21:55
Speaker 2: I thought these were some interesting facts or research that
21:58
Speaker 2: Forbes found that we were going to end on. So
22:01
Speaker 2: the gender pay gap for entry level positions is eighteen
22:04
Speaker 2: point four percent. The pay disparity is also reflected in
22:09
Speaker 2: entry level positions, where research from the National Association of
22:12
Speaker 2: College Employers show a gap of eighteen point four percent
22:16
Speaker 2: between the average annual salaries earned by women and men,
22:19
Speaker 2: with women earning fifty two, two hundred and sixty six
22:22
Speaker 2: dollars compared to men's sixty four thy twenty two dollars
22:27
Speaker 2: on an entry level position.
22:29
Speaker 1: Wow.
22:30
Speaker 2: Also, where's this entry level position? I want to I know? Three? Yes?
22:36
Speaker 2: Can I also have this? Please? Thank you very much, congratulations,
22:39
Speaker 2: I'm proud of you. The why? And then women earn
22:42
Speaker 2: more pay than men in only three job roles. There
22:45
Speaker 2: are a few areas where women earn higher salaries than
22:48
Speaker 2: their male counterparts. Women earn three percent more than men
22:51
Speaker 2: as a compliance officers and vocational nurses, and two percent
22:56
Speaker 2: more as wholesale and retail buyers. That's interesting that I
23:00
Speaker 2: could explain to why so many nurses are women. They
23:03
Speaker 2: actually can negotiate better, or actually are compensated better or
23:09
Speaker 2: on the equal level as a man. Then there's only
23:12
Speaker 2: one job where men and women earn the same pay.
23:16
Speaker 2: Despite the previous examples of gender pay disparity in the workforce,
23:20
Speaker 2: there's one job where men and women earn equal pay,
23:23
Speaker 2: teaching assistance. Both genders earn an average of thirty four,
23:28
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty four dollars per year in this role.
23:31
Speaker 2: Educational guidance counselors come in close second, with men earning
23:34
Speaker 2: a mirror one hundred and four dollars more on average.
23:38
Speaker 2: A mirror, A mirror. Don't worry about it.
23:41
Speaker 1: Just amazing.
23:43
Speaker 2: I mean, I get that that seems slow on the
23:46
Speaker 2: bigger cells role looking at like twenty thousand dollar differences,
23:49
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars differences, but come on, still matters to me.
23:52
Speaker 2: I need one hundred dollars. That's a meal. That's a
23:55
Speaker 2: good meal. As a couple of takets of gay ass people.
24:00
Speaker 2: And then they talk about jobs with the smallest gender
24:03
Speaker 2: pay gap. Physical and social science jobs, along with physical therapy,
24:07
Speaker 2: are among the professions with the smallest gender pay gap,
24:10
Speaker 2: with the women are earning just two percent less than men.
24:13
Speaker 2: Just and then jobs with the largest gender pay gap.
24:17
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's gonna be surprised. When it comes
24:19
Speaker 2: to earning power. Not all jobs are created equal. According
24:22
Speaker 2: to our study, real estate brokers have the largest gender
24:25
Speaker 2: pay gap, with men earning sixty percent more than their
24:29
Speaker 2: female counterparts. Coming in second place is personal finance advisors,
24:34
Speaker 2: where men earn fifty eight percent more than women in
24:37
Speaker 2: the same role. That doesn't make sense. No, I wonder though,
24:45
Speaker 2: if they charge differently, And so if it's cheaper to
24:49
Speaker 2: go to a woman, I'll go to a woman, damn it.
24:51
Speaker 2: So I hope she has more clients.
24:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that could be. Could be.
24:55
Speaker 2: And another random part because I didn't even think about this,
24:58
Speaker 2: the gender pay gap of retirement. Yeah, which makes sense,
25:04
Speaker 2: but that I didn't think about it. The gener pay
25:07
Speaker 2: gap can significantly impact a woman's retirement. This is due
25:10
Speaker 2: to women's lower earnings and higher share of part time work.
25:14
Speaker 2: Women contribute thirty percent less than men to their retirement accounts.
25:19
Speaker 2: On average, women receive twenty percent less than men and
25:23
Speaker 2: social security benefits that pisss me off. Additionally, women receive
25:30
Speaker 2: lower pension benefits than men, further exacerbating the difference in
25:35
Speaker 2: retirement savings. Altogether, these factors mean that women have less
25:39
Speaker 2: than men in three key areas of retirement, social security, pensions,
25:43
Speaker 2: and savings. I swear they're trying to kill us. I
25:47
Speaker 2: mean they really just if you're not of use of working,
25:49
Speaker 2: you'd need to die. It is what the government seems
25:51
Speaker 2: to be telling us.
25:52
Speaker 1: I can't have kids. There's society, raise kids, get out.
25:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so did. I did think that these were
26:02
Speaker 2: all interesting fines, as well as the fact that they
26:04
Speaker 2: do talk about the gender pay gap by state. So
26:06
Speaker 2: obviously we're talking mostly about the US as pretending to us.
26:11
Speaker 2: So if you're from different countries, let us know. I'm
26:13
Speaker 2: sure you have similar conversations or statistics as well, but
26:17
Speaker 2: we would love to hear from you. But it's interesting
26:20
Speaker 2: because I did go through and see the rankings of
26:25
Speaker 2: the gender pay gap as of twenty twenty four different states,
26:29
Speaker 2: and the highest difference started in Wyoming with the fact
26:34
Speaker 2: that the male median annual earnings were fifty nine thousand,
26:37
Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty three dollars, while female earnings were
26:40
Speaker 2: forty thousand, nine hundred and seventy six dollars, making it
26:43
Speaker 2: an eighteen thousand, eight hundred and seventy seven dollars difference,
26:47
Speaker 2: which I was like, dang, dang, okay, but the one
26:52
Speaker 2: and I think this is less surprising, I guess with
26:56
Speaker 2: the smaller difference is Vermont with a male annual earnings
27:00
Speaker 2: being fifty five thousand, eight hundred and three while women
27:03
Speaker 2: made fifty nine hundred and thirty one, making a three thousand,
27:06
Speaker 2: eight hundred and seventy two dollars difference, which is still
27:10
Speaker 2: a difference. Yeah, but like the fact that that those
27:14
Speaker 2: are the significant numbers, And of course I had to
27:16
Speaker 2: look and see, like what about Georgia. We're a number
27:18
Speaker 2: forty one with a nine thousand dollars difference, while California
27:23
Speaker 2: was forty five. It was pretty close behind us at seven,
27:27
Speaker 2: nine hundred and fifty one dollar difference, So I was
27:30
Speaker 2: kind of surprised by that that we were that low
27:35
Speaker 2: on the chart of the gap. Yeah, I don't know
27:40
Speaker 2: if that's just a recession in general, and by the way.
27:42
Speaker 2: New Hampshire was number two for the highest gap, with
27:44
Speaker 2: a sixteen thousand dollars six hundred and eighty six dollars difference.
27:48
Speaker 2: Don't I don't know much about New Hampshire, but I
27:50
Speaker 2: thought they would be more close than that. So yeah,
27:55
Speaker 2: all this information that we just spoke about with the
27:59
Speaker 2: types of gaps and the way your state aligns is
28:02
Speaker 2: at Forbes dot com if you want to look it up.
28:05
Speaker 2: But it was very interesting in these conversations. Unfortunately, we're
28:13
Speaker 2: still having this talk. Yes, as we ted said before,
28:16
Speaker 2: women of color, black women, Latino women, as well as
28:19
Speaker 2: Native first people's are the highest with the gap, the
28:24
Speaker 2: lowest at the gap I guess, and getting paid the
28:27
Speaker 2: least and discriminated the most, I guess, which is not
28:33
Speaker 2: surprising and still really really irritating. But yeah, that's what
28:36
Speaker 2: it looks like currently. I'm sure we'll get some more
28:39
Speaker 2: numbers and we'll talk about it again in a year,
28:41
Speaker 2: because I think it needs to be revisited often so
28:44
Speaker 2: that we talk about why intersectional feminism is important to
28:48
Speaker 2: how we get paid and who gets paid and how
28:50
Speaker 2: it should be working versus how it's been working.
28:53
Speaker 1: Yep, And there's a lot of side quest from a
28:58
Speaker 1: topic as big as this one. I was recently researching
29:01
Speaker 1: women in layoffs and surprise, surprise, women are more hurt
29:05
Speaker 1: by last. So yeah, we'll come back to talk about
29:10
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