Latest / The M&M Experience / M and M EXTRA MAY 14, 2026 The Morals of dealing w/ China; What does “America First” mean?
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- 2:33Speaker 2: reason I start with mehow and the Chinese greeting. I
- 2:36Speaker 2: don't know that we're spending enough time. Maybe you are,
- 2:39Speaker 2: but I you know, we're talking about redistricting. I've been
- 2:41Speaker 2: in South Carolina all week and this is a mess.
- 2:44Speaker 2: The here's axios Democrats get a last minute reprieve on
- 2:48Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six redistricting. Uh, you got a bunch
- 2:52Speaker 2: of Deep South Republicans who don't seem to have the
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- 2:59Speaker 2: redial things. So we'll see how this all plays out
- 3:02Speaker 2: in South Carolina. But President Trump's visit to China is
- 3:05Speaker 2: so massive, and it's because he didn't bring bureaucrats with him. Mark,
- 3:11Speaker 2: he brought CEOs, private sector guys. You want to cut
- 3:15Speaker 2: deals with the American industry, I brought them. Yeah, I mean,
- 3:19Speaker 2: isn't that? And I was just reading an analysis on
- 3:22Speaker 2: X about all the states that could be hugely impacted
- 3:27Speaker 2: with deals with China. Texas is one of them, I
- 3:30Speaker 2: mean Tesla and SpaceX. What is that community in Texas? Mark,
- 3:38Speaker 2: you're mister space fanatic. Is there now an entire Isn't there?
- 3:42Speaker 2: Like an entire city that's kind of been taken over
- 3:44Speaker 2: by Elon and the space.
- 3:46Speaker 4: Is out in the hinterlands and down toward the Gulf coast.
- 3:49Speaker 4: Elon has set up through SpaceX and through and even
- 3:52Speaker 4: and Jeff Bezos has some of his footprint in the
- 3:55Speaker 4: state as well. I mean, Florida was sort of ground
- 3:58Speaker 4: zero for launching everything to the moon because that was NASA.
- 4:01Speaker 4: It was Cape Canaveral, then Cape Kennedy, It's end now
- 4:03Speaker 4: Cape Canaveral again. But but Texas is the launch point
- 4:07Speaker 4: for all kinds of things, and it's it's it's the
- 4:11Speaker 4: confluence of private sector and government partnership. But what we're
- 4:14Speaker 4: going to be doing and what we already are doing
- 4:16Speaker 4: in space is crazy, and a whole lot of it
- 4:18Speaker 4: is a Texas story, Yes, sir, Well.
- 4:21Speaker 2: How and how excited are you, mister space fanatic?
- 4:23Speaker 3: Please?
- 4:24Speaker 2: I mean for you and Lisia to fire up the
- 4:27Speaker 2: roadster and go watch a launcher two or ten. I mean,
- 4:30Speaker 2: how cool is that? Now? It's big state? It takes
- 4:32Speaker 2: you a long time probably to get there from Dallas
- 4:34Speaker 2: Fort Worth. But but it's but it's so many states
- 4:38Speaker 2: are impacted, the Midwest farming. Uh if China re you know,
- 4:44Speaker 2: re establishes trade and buying buying from from farmers in
- 4:49Speaker 2: camp and in the middle of the country. Uh, South
- 4:53Speaker 2: Carolina is impacted with by boeing. And that's what's so extraordinary.
- 4:58Speaker 2: And I don't think critic of Trump know quite what
- 5:01Speaker 2: to make of his China visit because on the one
- 5:03Speaker 2: hand that they don't want to see him succeed in anything,
- 5:07Speaker 2: But on the other I think there's a part of
- 5:09Speaker 2: them that has to acknowledge that this could be pretty
- 5:11Speaker 2: pretty huge for the United States if indeed he can
- 5:15Speaker 2: work out some deals with President g and this superpower
- 5:18Speaker 2: called China.
- 5:20Speaker 4: Fair minded people will say that, And so let's set
- 5:22Speaker 4: aside the people who are so driven by tds. Listen,
- 5:25Speaker 4: we have people rooting against America in a war, so
- 5:28Speaker 4: he knows they'll have no trouble rooting against him with
- 5:31Speaker 4: a trade deal. But for anybody who truly has America's
- 5:34Speaker 4: best interests at heart, they want this to go.
- 5:37Speaker 3: Well, do you ever?
- 5:39Speaker 4: And we all should And then I guess the definition
- 5:42Speaker 4: of it going well is that it's something that benefits
- 5:46Speaker 4: American business, benefits America's economy, is not deleterious to America's
- 5:53Speaker 4: national security interests because hey, it is China, and obviously
- 5:56Speaker 4: from the Chinese end, they are interested in their economic
- 5:59Speaker 4: health as well, which is why it's always kind of
- 6:01Speaker 4: entertained me when people have said, you know, Marc, China
- 6:05Speaker 4: is going to buy up all of America and bring
- 6:07Speaker 4: us to our knees.
- 6:08Speaker 3: No, they're not.
- 6:09Speaker 4: China desperately needs an economically healthy America for their own
- 6:14Speaker 4: economic health. I give you the following question, though, is
- 6:17Speaker 4: there something that tugs at you a little bit? Because
- 6:20Speaker 4: I want this to succeed. I think it's better to
- 6:22Speaker 4: engage with China than to make them a global pariah. Right,
- 6:25Speaker 4: But this always said, they're looking at President she on
- 6:29Speaker 4: a nice smile. President She is one of the most
- 6:32Speaker 4: evil leaders in world history. This is one of the
- 6:34Speaker 4: most evil communist regimes in world history. I'm not saying
- 6:38Speaker 4: don't deal with them, but I'm just saying, there's you
- 6:40Speaker 4: got really got to compartmentalize, don't you, Or am I overanalyzing?
- 6:43Speaker 2: No, you're not over analyzing, but because that's been one
- 6:47Speaker 2: of the biggest criticisms that the Trump haters have for him,
- 6:51Speaker 2: that he finds a way to cozy up to evil, maniacal, horrible,
- 6:57Speaker 2: brutal dictators. Look at his sort of uh, you know,
- 7:01Speaker 2: love taps with uh North Korea, Kim Jong un, I mean,
- 7:06Speaker 2: look at and they'll say that about Vladimir Putin. I am.
- 7:10Speaker 2: I am convinced that the Trump doctrine over things like
- 7:13Speaker 2: the over matters like these is real simple. He'd rather
- 7:18Speaker 2: not be fighting with them than fighting with them. He'd
- 7:20Speaker 2: rather get along with even even bad people like ge
- 7:25Speaker 2: like Kim Jong un, than than a threat of possible
- 7:29Speaker 2: nuclear annihilation and going to war with them.
- 7:32Speaker 4: And I'll take it, and I'll yeah, he's he's kind
- 7:35Speaker 4: of it's a psychological game. I don't want to say
- 7:37Speaker 4: he's playing them, but he is engaging with them in
- 7:41Speaker 4: a way.
- 7:42Speaker 3: He sees the world as a deal to be made.
- 7:46Speaker 2: That's right.
- 7:47Speaker 4: We have been that, we've been the beneficiary of that.
- 7:50Speaker 4: Rather than kind of an old school black and white binary.
- 7:53Speaker 4: We are good, you are evil. Even though I'm glad
- 7:55Speaker 4: to look at the world that way. There is evil
- 7:56Speaker 4: around the world, but from an American presidential stance to say, listen,
- 8:00Speaker 4: you know, no matter what you bring to the table,
- 8:02Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to find a way to achieve some
- 8:04Speaker 4: common ground with you, achieve some kind of relationship with you,
- 8:06Speaker 4: because when I do, my country is safer.
- 8:09Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm old enough to remember that when
- 8:12Speaker 2: businessmen started to run for office or women, we would say, gosh,
- 8:17Speaker 2: that's a great idea because you could take your business acumen.
- 8:20Speaker 2: You could take you know, you've you've actually had to
- 8:22Speaker 2: meet a payroll. You understand what main Street USA goes through.
- 8:26Speaker 2: You understand the pitfalls of of of democrats socialism, and
- 8:32Speaker 2: you understand the virtues of capitalism. Well, Trump is the
- 8:37Speaker 2: ultimate deal maker. He is all of that on steroids.
- 8:41Speaker 2: He's a guy who has been doing this his whole life.
- 8:44Speaker 2: He's negotiated with you, the unions, He's had to deal
- 8:47Speaker 2: with the construction industry. He's a builder, he's a he's
- 8:50Speaker 2: a job jobs creator, and he has been his whole life. Well,
- 8:54Speaker 2: now we've got him in the Oval office, and this
- 8:58Speaker 2: is he's going to put all of that, all of
- 9:00Speaker 2: that to use in this difficult and complicated negotiation with
- 9:04Speaker 2: President She but you know the other thing. I was
- 9:06Speaker 2: going to ask you about some skepticism about President Trump's
- 9:10Speaker 2: China visit, and I'm dying to talk to you about
- 9:13Speaker 2: this New York Magazine article. We touched on it a
- 9:15Speaker 2: little bit on the M and M experience on your
- 9:18Speaker 2: radio show this morning, New York Magazine talking about the
- 9:21Speaker 2: supposed collapse of the Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro and
- 9:25Speaker 2: I want to I'm going to I want to get
- 9:27Speaker 2: into all of that in just a moment, but let's
- 9:30Speaker 2: talk about America firsters. You know, do you think there's
- 9:34Speaker 2: some skepticism or cynicism on the part of people who
- 9:38Speaker 2: are all about America first, America First, America First, maga
- 9:43Speaker 2: make America great again. We got to put America ahead
- 9:45Speaker 2: of everything else. Do you think some of those folks
- 9:48Speaker 2: are looking at the Trump China summit a little dubiously
- 9:53Speaker 2: because of that?
- 9:55Speaker 4: Undoubtedly, because there are some folks who in America First
- 9:58Speaker 4: is a good way to be. But some people have
- 10:01Speaker 4: we learned, as we've learned, have become isolationists and made
- 10:04Speaker 4: it kind of America only. And some people, also from
- 10:07Speaker 4: a business and trade perspective, see America first that they
- 10:12Speaker 4: hold at arm's length anything that involves this kind of
- 10:16Speaker 4: close outreach, especially with a trade adversary and rival like China,
- 10:22Speaker 4: because they, I guess they're so used to being rolled.
- 10:25Speaker 4: You know, We've had some deals in the past where
- 10:28Speaker 4: America has just been flat out rolled. We've been burnt,
- 10:31Speaker 4: we've been used, and we're not going to be under
- 10:34Speaker 4: this guy. And so I think people can safely proceed
- 10:37Speaker 4: into some partnerships with China and expect them to go
- 10:40Speaker 4: better than they have under past presidents. But to answer
- 10:42Speaker 4: your question briefly, if that's even possibil anymore, Yes, they
- 10:46Speaker 4: clearly do, because there's some I hope it's not too
- 10:49Speaker 4: many people, because I think that it's being shortsighted to
- 10:52Speaker 4: feel this way. America First does not mean America only,
- 10:55Speaker 4: and America First does does not preclude some kind of
- 11:00Speaker 4: embiotic relationship with China.
- 11:02Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't say that enough. And you always bring
- 11:05Speaker 2: me back to earth, and I always love it when
- 11:06Speaker 2: you say that America First does not mean America only.
- 11:09Speaker 2: But there's this there is an isolationism that we have
- 11:12Speaker 2: to contend with. There is a cynicism that especially young
- 11:17Speaker 2: conservatives are starting to demonstrate. Towards the Trump administration, sort
- 11:22Speaker 2: of a fatigue if you will, and I want to,
- 11:25Speaker 2: I want to. That brings us to this New York
- 11:27Speaker 2: Magazine article. Now, first of all, full stop, full disclosure,
- 11:32Speaker 2: let's just stipulate New York Magazine is a far left publication.
- 11:36Speaker 2: There's not a conservative they would ever agree with. There's
- 11:38Speaker 2: not a Republican they would support. So we got we gotta.
- 11:41Speaker 2: That's baked into the cake. But some of the things
- 11:45Speaker 2: that were raised in this article got me to thinking
- 11:48Speaker 2: about sort of bouncing this off of you. The headline
- 11:51Speaker 2: of the article by Ross Barkin, which posted I think
- 11:54Speaker 2: earlier this morning, why Ben Shapiro's media empire is collapsing,
- 11:59Speaker 2: And the article basically says, there was a time not
- 12:02Speaker 2: very long ago when Ben Shapiro could reasonably call himself
- 12:05Speaker 2: the king of all conservative media. Daily Wire was on
- 12:09Speaker 2: top of everything, all the big numbers. Well no longer.
- 12:13Speaker 2: Now they're saying that the Daily Wire is instituting significant layoffs.
- 12:18Speaker 2: It's YouTube channel subscribers starting to shrink. The website has
- 12:23Speaker 2: emerged as one of the great traffic losers in conservative media.
- 12:27Speaker 2: And on the flip side of that, the anti Israel,
- 12:33Speaker 2: anti Semitic groupers in the way that New York Magazine
- 12:37Speaker 2: describes it, led by Nick Fuentes. There he's in ascendance.
- 12:42Speaker 2: Candice Owens, who once worked with Ben at The Daily Wire.
- 12:45Speaker 2: She now has a YouTube channel that's larger than his.
- 12:49Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson Megan Kelly have found massive audiences with their
- 12:53Speaker 2: own brand of conspiratorial commentary that Mary's Israel skepticism and
- 12:59Speaker 2: isolate relationist advocacy. Carlson and Kelly have both loudly opposed
- 13:04Speaker 2: the war in Iran. Trump now reviles them, but neither
- 13:09Speaker 2: ex Fox News Channel talking head has backed down. In fact,
- 13:12Speaker 2: Carlson seems to be moving on from Trump completely, and
- 13:15Speaker 2: there are others. Mark Alex Jones comes to mind. What
- 13:20Speaker 2: do you make of this kind of narrative that Israel
- 13:24Speaker 2: and the war in Iran and Trump's alleged pivot away
- 13:29Speaker 2: from an America First agenda is costing us dearly, costing
- 13:34Speaker 2: Republicans dearly. Young conservatives in particular feel betrayed by Trump's
- 13:40Speaker 2: alleged pivot. Do you think there's merit to any of that?
- 13:43Speaker 2: Do you think there's some truth to the fact that
- 13:47Speaker 2: like it or not, our brand meaning Republicanism or conservativism
- 13:53Speaker 2: is being damaged by some of these moves that Trump
- 13:57Speaker 2: is making on the world stage.
- 13:58Speaker 3: To some degree.
- 13:59Speaker 4: I don't want to overstate it or understate it. Clearly
- 14:04Speaker 4: the phenomena that you've described, and in New York Magazine
- 14:06Speaker 4: it's nothing but wishful thinking. They want Ben Shapiro's empire
- 14:10Speaker 4: to fold. They hate Daily Wire. The reason they have
- 14:13Speaker 4: a newfound affection for your Candice Owans, Megan Kelly's, and
- 14:17Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson's because they are making life difficult for Trump.
- 14:21Speaker 4: My prayer is that this is a passionate, yet limited
- 14:26Speaker 4: pocket of people. Understand that five percent of every Republican
- 14:31Speaker 4: will still fill a number of podcasts with millions of followers.
- 14:35Speaker 4: And I hope that a victory in Iran and a
- 14:37Speaker 4: repaired economy and some success coming out of the China
- 14:41Speaker 4: Summit are the kinds of things that will bring people around,
- 14:44Speaker 4: so that for every you know, the gen z malcontent,
- 14:50Speaker 4: there are three or four people who take a look
- 14:52Speaker 4: at the Trump approach and realize, you know what, America
- 14:56Speaker 4: First has a broad meaning. It means focusing on our
- 14:58Speaker 4: shores and things that are within our soores, but it
- 15:01Speaker 4: also It involves taking away the threat of a terrorist
- 15:05Speaker 4: Iran and turning China into a partner that we can
- 15:08Speaker 4: benefit from. That's America first. Two big go I love that.
- 15:12Speaker 2: I want to I want to quote one more line
- 15:16Speaker 2: from this article that and get your get your take
- 15:18Speaker 2: on this. Gen Z conservatives have no great affection for
- 15:24Speaker 2: Israel in the in the groiper tent. This can be
- 15:29Speaker 2: chalked up to you know, Jew hatred. Right, we get that,
- 15:32Speaker 2: But the story the article says is far more complicated
- 15:36Speaker 2: among the millions of young right leading voters who simply
- 15:39Speaker 2: don't understand how Trump could campaign on America first while
- 15:43Speaker 2: standing up a foreign policy that is clearly subservient to
- 15:47Speaker 2: the whims of the Nettan Yahoo government.
- 15:50Speaker 4: Stop it, I know you stop it because I know's
- 15:53Speaker 4: just not that that that's not true. That's an anti
- 15:56Speaker 4: Semitic trope to say that were under the magical lure
- 15:59Speaker 4: of the evil Jews. Who has this this way? But
- 16:02Speaker 4: it's undeniably true, And I'm glad you've offered up that
- 16:06Speaker 4: paragraph that. I don't know what the magic age would be.
- 16:11Speaker 4: I think if you're younger than forty five, just to
- 16:13Speaker 4: pick a number. The whole Israel thing just doesn't turn
- 16:17Speaker 4: your crank as much? Is it generational? Is it because
- 16:20Speaker 4: you and I are old enough to remember the Six
- 16:23Speaker 4: Day War, that we're old enough to remember the terrorism
- 16:28Speaker 4: in Munich, or old enough.
- 16:29Speaker 2: To old enough to remember nine to eleven?
- 16:34Speaker 3: Well?
- 16:35Speaker 4: Thank you then, right, oh, that exactly right. I think
- 16:38Speaker 4: also some of it might be faith based, not that
- 16:41Speaker 4: all these gen Z Israel skeptical people are not people
- 16:45Speaker 4: of faith, but part of my devotion to and my
- 16:48Speaker 4: belief in our shared history with Israel is based on
- 16:51Speaker 4: my Christianity. And if you don't have that hummin on
- 16:54Speaker 4: all cylinders, maybe that makes it easier for you to
- 16:57Speaker 4: be ambivalent as well.
- 16:59Speaker 2: And I go back the reason I brought up nine
- 17:01Speaker 2: to eleven is because and I had a caller actually
- 17:04Speaker 2: who made this point this morning to my show. Even
- 17:08Speaker 2: though that's probably a little bit of a stretch to
- 17:10Speaker 2: go back to the things you were giving examples of
- 17:12Speaker 2: as it applies to Israel, I believe it breaks down
- 17:16Speaker 2: to total ignorance, a lack of understanding of the good
- 17:21Speaker 2: versus evil dynamic. A lot of people under thirty five
- 17:26Speaker 2: have absolutely no idea what real raw evil feels like.
- 17:31Speaker 2: We do because we live through nine to eleven. As
- 17:34Speaker 2: you know, I mean I was in the Empire State Building.
- 17:37Speaker 2: I mean I lived it. I could smell the rubble
- 17:40Speaker 2: from in midtown Manhattan and in my town where I
- 17:44Speaker 2: used to live in Manhasset, New York. There were sixty
- 17:46Speaker 2: three people who were killed that morning. It was devastating
- 17:51Speaker 2: for our community of Manhassean. In fact, I used to
- 17:55Speaker 2: tell the story about how so many of us would
- 17:57Speaker 2: commute into the city on the Long Island Railroad and
- 18:00Speaker 2: in an on Long Island. I mean there's train stations
- 18:03Speaker 2: all over Long Island and parking lots, uh obviously with
- 18:07Speaker 2: the train stations, and you'd drive in the morning seven
- 18:09Speaker 2: eight in the morning, you park your car, you'd have
- 18:11Speaker 2: your ticket, you know for the parking. You'd park your car,
- 18:13Speaker 2: you get on the train, go into work. On September eleventh,
- 18:17Speaker 2: two thirds of the cars were unclaimed that night because
- 18:21Speaker 2: they were people who were never coming home. That's how
- 18:24Speaker 2: bad it was. But you know, we we saw what
- 18:28Speaker 2: what evil that that visited our shores and came into
- 18:32Speaker 2: our cities, what that looked like. But I don't think
- 18:35Speaker 2: young people have that acknowledgment or that cogniti that that
- 18:39Speaker 2: that ability to see what that raw now they now
- 18:43Speaker 2: they surely saw it on October seventh in Israel.
- 18:46Speaker 3: But I think they saw it. But did it process?
- 18:49Speaker 4: You are no very special group of people special help me?
- 18:54Speaker 4: Remember this. You you got a special invite to see unedited,
- 19:00Speaker 4: unfiltered raw and I do mean raw footage of the
- 19:04Speaker 4: horrors of October seventh. And I'll never forget you telling
- 19:08Speaker 4: me about it. So I and it's maybe we need
- 19:11Speaker 4: to sit everybody down for a big viewing session of
- 19:14Speaker 4: that when you're twenty eight years old.
- 19:15Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean well, and I was all and
- 19:18Speaker 2: I got to go to Israel really a couple of
- 19:21Speaker 2: months after the October seventh and I interviewed survivors and
- 19:24Speaker 2: I heard the stories of what they and we're only
- 19:27Speaker 2: now getting to learn the real depth of the depravity
- 19:33Speaker 2: mark of the rapes and the torture, the brutal, brutal
- 19:37Speaker 2: murders of men, women and children at the hands of
- 19:40Speaker 2: these awful evil doers. But you're so right, and your instincts,
- 19:44Speaker 2: as usual, are spot on. It hasn't been processed by
- 19:47Speaker 2: young people. They don't get it, they don't accept it.
- 19:50Speaker 2: They think that Israel's response dwarfs whatever those terrorists did
- 19:56Speaker 2: on October.
- 19:56Speaker 4: Seven, and it's genocide, which leads you to the I know,
- 20:00Speaker 4: it makes me crazy. There's an obstacle to their understanding.
- 20:03Speaker 4: There's an obstacle to their clarity. And this can apply
- 20:06Speaker 4: to anybody of any age group. And that is just
- 20:08Speaker 4: some of the woke nonsense of seeing everything through the
- 20:12Speaker 4: lens of oppressors and the oppressed. The Israelis are generally white,
- 20:18Speaker 4: so they must be the oppressors. They sort of look white.
- 20:20Speaker 4: They must be the bad guys. The Palestinians, everybody in Gaza,
- 20:23Speaker 4: they are sort of of color, so clearly they must
- 20:26Speaker 4: be the good guys. They must be the victims. And boy,
- 20:29Speaker 4: when you have that kind of moral idiocy banging around
- 20:32Speaker 4: in your head, clarity is going to be hard to find.
- 20:35Speaker 2: Absolutely. By the way, I'm loving all the comments on
- 20:38Speaker 2: do you ever do you look at our YouTube page
- 20:40Speaker 2: where we're doing this time.
- 20:41Speaker 3: I'm old and blind, so.
- 20:43Speaker 2: What I need to do, Well, let me read is
- 20:45Speaker 2: okay expanded to let me let me read something.
- 20:49Speaker 4: Hey, I did see one from yesterday. Somebody what did
- 20:52Speaker 4: somebody say? Somebody thanked us? I think they got me
- 20:54Speaker 4: on the text line and thanked us for the ability
- 20:58Speaker 4: to consume the eminem Extra a live YouTube where he
- 21:01Speaker 4: is in the Philippines.
- 21:03Speaker 2: So really that's pretty neat. Yeah, look, here's some comments.
- 21:07Speaker 2: We're loving the eminem extra. Paul writes, here's uh uh
- 21:12Speaker 2: man a man sharpsman. Let's hope they bring out the
- 21:16Speaker 2: good China during President Trump's visit. But I get no
- 21:20Speaker 2: good China. You missed that. Bring out the good China.
- 21:23Speaker 2: Get it the good China. And and and Mad Mike,
- 21:28Speaker 2: reacting to your question about you know how how we're
- 21:31Speaker 2: feeling about Trump and and and g playing footsie, Mad
- 21:35Speaker 2: Mike says, keep your friends closer, enemies closer. That's something
- 21:38Speaker 2: president Trump's visit, and and and then and then finally,
- 21:42Speaker 2: and incidentally, the younger generation has zero respect for others.
- 21:50Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a respect.
- 21:51Speaker 3: Maybe a little broad but but but I don't know.
- 21:53Speaker 2: There's this possibly possibly anyway.
- 21:58Speaker 4: Real quick, and I guess before I Forget's funny because
- 22:00Speaker 4: as we're going through all this, things sometimes lead to
- 22:02Speaker 4: other things lead to other things. Sometimes you'll be on
- 22:05Speaker 4: something and we'll take a turn, and I'll scribble something
- 22:07Speaker 4: to circle to circle back to like Jensaki, but a
- 22:11Speaker 4: minute on this, because you were talking about Trump as
- 22:13Speaker 4: business the businessman president, right, a moment on that, because
- 22:17Speaker 4: there is certainly value to it. His business accive and
- 22:20Speaker 4: his business experience informs his presidency in ways that I
- 22:24Speaker 4: believe have been beneficial. We've had some folks try to
- 22:27Speaker 4: be businessman president before Ross Parrot, who got nineteen percent
- 22:34Speaker 4: unheard of in nineteen ninety two. If you thank you,
- 22:37Speaker 4: he can pretty much James Clinton, thanks Chris, Thanks for
- 22:41Speaker 4: Steve Forbes, who I always loved. So there wasn't really
- 22:44Speaker 4: so much of the appetite for the businessman president. And
- 22:47Speaker 4: a lot of people said, do you ever remember people saying,
- 22:50Speaker 4: you know in the nineties, Because both of those, the
- 22:53Speaker 4: Steve Forbes and Ross Perot stories were stories of the nineties.
- 22:56Speaker 4: People said, yep, you should have a certain business sense
- 23:00Speaker 4: to run the country. But the country's not a business.
- 23:02Speaker 4: You can't run it as one. You can't just write
- 23:05Speaker 4: a memo and change everything.
- 23:07Speaker 3: You have to.
- 23:08Speaker 4: Totally understand that there are vast differences between running a
- 23:12Speaker 4: business and running the country. The government should quote unquote
- 23:16Speaker 4: run like a business by not spending money it doesn't
- 23:18Speaker 4: have blah blah blah. But the government will never be
- 23:20Speaker 4: a business and the rules will never be a perfect fit.
- 23:23Speaker 4: All of that is true. However, I guess the last
- 23:27Speaker 4: thing I want to tie a bowrun this for and
- 23:28Speaker 4: offer it up to you if you want to go
- 23:29Speaker 4: any run it is is Trump two point oh is
- 23:33Speaker 4: the businessman who now completely understands Washington. Trump one point oh.
- 23:38Speaker 4: I think he suffered from that a little bit. I
- 23:40Speaker 4: think he had to learn Washington. Anybody does, but he
- 23:44Speaker 4: sure has now. And I notice a palpable difference.
- 23:47Speaker 3: That's all.
- 23:48Speaker 2: I believe that in the Trump and Trump one in
- 23:51Speaker 2: Trump one point oh, he was surrounded by snakes. He
- 23:56Speaker 2: was surrounded by opportunists, and he didn't know. I mean,
- 24:00Speaker 2: this guy comes out of New York City. He's a uh,
- 24:04Speaker 2: you know, a real estate mogul or a builder, whatever
- 24:07Speaker 2: you want to call him. He was a reality TV star.
- 24:10Speaker 2: This guy did. He's a he and his wife socialites
- 24:12Speaker 2: or whatever in New York. This guy didn't wasn't a politician.
- 24:15Speaker 2: He's still not a politician. You know, if he was
- 24:18Speaker 2: a politician, he would be very careful about the way
- 24:21Speaker 2: he words things. Today, Axios had a big had a
- 24:25Speaker 2: big article about his killer expression, about how he seemed
- 24:29Speaker 2: to completely minimize the financial concerns that people are having
- 24:35Speaker 2: because he said, I don't care about America's financing when
- 24:39Speaker 2: it comes to what we're doing with Iran. It's not
- 24:41Speaker 2: what he was saying. I mean, you know what he meant,
- 24:44Speaker 2: but he didn't say, here's the here's the axios. Trump's
- 24:47Speaker 2: killer quote exposes his bind on Iran and inflation. His
- 24:52Speaker 2: remark this week was quote, I don't think about American's
- 24:55Speaker 2: financial situation as he weighs his next moves in Iran.
- 24:59Speaker 2: Now he clearly obviously he meant that domestic economic concerns
- 25:04Speaker 2: won't deter him from whatever steps he thinks are necessary
- 25:08Speaker 2: to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. So yeah,
- 25:12Speaker 2: but the Democrats aren't gonna They're not gonna appreciate that nuanced.
- 25:16Speaker 4: Schumer had that quote on a massive billboard behind his head.
- 25:20Speaker 4: President Trump, I don't think about americans finances When you
- 25:23Speaker 4: and I and my dog know that. What he meant is, look,
- 25:26Speaker 4: we got a war to win. I'm not gonna let
- 25:28Speaker 4: myself get bogged down in some momentary. Admittedly tough times
- 25:32Speaker 4: for people financially. But I'm not gonna let that divert
- 25:35Speaker 4: me from the global goal of preventing run from having
- 25:39Speaker 4: news exactly.
- 25:40Speaker 2: And my point is that a politician wouldn't make that stumble.
- 25:45Speaker 2: A smooth, slick politician doesn't make that kind of mistake.
- 25:49Speaker 2: You know. Here's what keeps me up at night about Iran.
- 25:52Speaker 2: And I know this is true even if Trump said, look,
- 25:56Speaker 2: war's over, we're done, we're pulling out whatever, or he's
- 26:00Speaker 2: not going to do that. But I mean, you know
- 26:02Speaker 2: what I mean, if we could somehow have a declaration
- 26:05Speaker 2: of an end of the war in Iran, Iran could
- 26:09Speaker 2: still make hell out of the strait of horn Moves.
- 26:13Speaker 2: They could still throttle shipping through the strait of Horm Moves.
- 26:17Speaker 2: And until the strait of Horm Moves is fully open,
- 26:20Speaker 2: we're going to continue to be hit by this tough
- 26:25Speaker 2: economic reality. Yesterday I drove by a gas station here
- 26:28Speaker 2: in the upstate of South Carolina, unleaded four dollars and
- 26:32Speaker 2: seventy seven cents a gallon.
- 26:35Speaker 3: I mean at California, calling saying hold my beer.
- 26:39Speaker 2: I know this in California. This is South Carolina, and
- 26:43Speaker 2: it's hitting people hard. Can I ask you pick your
- 26:47Speaker 2: brain a little bit about this blind spot that President
- 26:51Speaker 2: Trump seems to have over acknowledging the economic hardship that
- 26:55Speaker 2: people are facing.
- 26:56Speaker 3: Do you think I don't think it's a blind spot.
- 26:58Speaker 3: What do you mean? I mean?
- 27:00Speaker 4: I think do you think it seems to downplay it?
- 27:02Speaker 4: Seems to be dismissive about it.
- 27:04Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 27:05Speaker 2: I think he has an inability to say, I mean, yeah,
- 27:09Speaker 2: I know that gas prices are high, but don't worry
- 27:11Speaker 2: they're coming down. Yeah, I know grocery prices are high.
- 27:13Speaker 2: But here's our plan. But instead he says, oh, there's
- 27:16Speaker 2: no affordability prices.
- 27:18Speaker 3: It's it'll just be a minute. It's not a problem.
- 27:20Speaker 2: It's the media.
- 27:22Speaker 4: You almost crave pardon pardon me here. You almost crave
- 27:26Speaker 4: a little bit of a feel your pain. You almost
- 27:29Speaker 4: crave a molecule of that, some some empathy.
- 27:32Speaker 2: I'm afraid what we're getting is reading my lips. No
- 27:35Speaker 2: new text, you know.
- 27:37Speaker 3: I mean, presidents come back and have that.
- 27:41Speaker 2: But there's a stubbornness he has. And you know, I say,
- 27:45Speaker 2: this is a supporter, and frankly I love the guy,
- 27:49Speaker 2: but but he's he's I think he sticks perhaps and
- 27:52Speaker 2: I'm just trying to analyze in a way I probably
- 27:55Speaker 2: have no business doing. But I think he sticks to
- 27:56Speaker 2: a narrative. He's got a message. There's a there's nobody
- 28:00Speaker 2: that message is better than this guy. This guy knows
- 28:02Speaker 2: how to message, and I think his message is the
- 28:05Speaker 2: affordability crisis is large is largely a figment of the
- 28:11Speaker 2: imagination of Democrats and Trump haters who want to just
- 28:14Speaker 2: stick it to him, And so he's going to stick
- 28:16Speaker 2: to that. I mean, look, let me, let me give
- 28:18Speaker 2: you some real raw numbers here. Stephen Moore posted this.
- 28:22Speaker 2: Inflation is now three point eight percent, and it's rising
- 28:26Speaker 2: on Iran driven energy costs. But it's still nowhere near
- 28:30Speaker 2: the Biden era highs nowhere near. And but we never
- 28:35Speaker 2: I mean Biden, you know what, you take a guess.
- 28:38Speaker 2: I hate to put you on the spot. I don't
- 28:40Speaker 2: want to give you a gotcha. Do you want to
- 28:41Speaker 2: You remember how high it got with it with Biden?
- 28:44Speaker 3: Well, we were in the high single idiots, right.
- 28:46Speaker 2: Eight point three percent, So we're nowhere near. I mean,
- 28:50Speaker 2: we're three point eight percent. Hey, you want to go
- 28:52Speaker 2: back to eight point three percent? Vote for Democrats.
- 28:55Speaker 3: Everything's relative exactly right, it.
- 28:57Speaker 2: Really is, and that's what we're going to go to
- 28:59Speaker 2: and then it just makes me crazy. And that's why
- 29:01Speaker 2: I'm so frustrated in many ways, and I'm a little
- 29:04Speaker 2: down here in South Carolina because of these dogone Republicans
- 29:09Speaker 2: who are not willing to say, let's get this redistricting
- 29:12Speaker 2: done now.
- 29:13Speaker 4: Wasn't there something has anything changed in the last couple
- 29:15Speaker 4: of hours in real time where we start, we're talking
- 29:17Speaker 4: in midday on Thursday. Wasn't there something that Governor McMaster
- 29:21Speaker 4: was going to do at five oh.
- 29:22Speaker 2: One five oh one, because the session ends officially at
- 29:25Speaker 2: five pm, so at five oh one he wants to
- 29:28Speaker 2: call them back in. He hasn't officially confirmed that he's
- 29:32Speaker 2: going to do it yet, but that's the reporting here
- 29:35Speaker 2: in South Carolina that that's what he's and well, well
- 29:37Speaker 2: by tomorrow will know. But at five oh one PM,
- 29:41Speaker 2: he's supposedly going to call them back in. And under
- 29:43Speaker 2: the special session terms, you don't need a two thirds
- 29:48Speaker 2: majority to accomplish redistricting. You just need a simple majority.
- 29:52Speaker 2: And under a simple majority it'll get done. Because right
- 29:55Speaker 2: now there are only five Republicans in the state Senate
- 29:59Speaker 2: who are blocking the redistricting and they're voting against it well,
- 30:04Speaker 2: including the Senate Majority Leader who said this week, I'll
- 30:07Speaker 2: take this quote with me to my grave. A vibrant
- 30:11Speaker 2: Democratic Party is good for South Carolina. Vibrant. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 30:16Speaker 2: that's one way to play.
- 30:17Speaker 3: So it is. And I've heard you mentioned that twice.
- 30:21Speaker 4: And when a lot of times when certain people say that,
- 30:24Speaker 4: it means that they have given up on their core
- 30:27Speaker 4: conservative principles and they're willing to actually hand Democrats some
- 30:31Speaker 4: victories so that they can be more vibrant. But there's
- 30:34Speaker 4: been a little little voice on my shoulder going that
- 30:37Speaker 4: in a way, don't we nationally, don't we as Republicans,
- 30:43Speaker 4: as conservatives crave We say it all the time, a
- 30:47Speaker 4: return to a Democrat Party where the worst thing we
- 30:50Speaker 4: ever say about them is we think you guys are wrong,
- 30:52Speaker 4: we think our ideas are better than your ideas. Rather,
- 30:55Speaker 4: because we've been steeped for a long time in the
- 30:57Speaker 4: Democrat Party that is just at absolutely out of its mind,
- 31:02Speaker 4: that is steeped in lunacy. If there were a return
- 31:08Speaker 4: to the Democrat Party of JFK, the Democrat Party of
- 31:12Speaker 4: Joe Lieberman, the Democrat Party that is represented by some
- 31:16Speaker 4: folks like John Fetterman and harrold Ford Jr. It kind
- 31:19Speaker 4: of seems like the country would be better. But the
- 31:21Speaker 4: downside of that is I think that the crazy Democrats
- 31:24Speaker 4: are a little easier to beat.
- 31:26Speaker 2: I fight this in my brain so hard and so
- 31:29Speaker 2: funny you bring this up. I was married to a Democrat.
- 31:33Speaker 2: My Denise was the love of my life, she and I.
- 31:36Speaker 2: I shudder to think had she not passed away, what
- 31:39Speaker 2: we would be going through right now during the Trump era.
- 31:42Speaker 2: I think my bags and all my suitcases and frozing
- 31:45Speaker 2: to the front lawn.
- 31:47Speaker 3: In a flamy heap in the front yard.
- 31:49Speaker 2: It'd be one of those scenes where the wife is
- 31:51Speaker 2: throwing the clothes out the upstairs window. I don't know.
- 31:54Speaker 2: I mean we had an ability to agree to disagree
- 31:57Speaker 2: on a lot of political issues, and she was not.
- 32:00Speaker 2: Let me, for the record, please respect my late wife
- 32:03Speaker 2: by by setting the record straight. She was not a
- 32:06Speaker 2: far left radical, AOC type of Democrat. She was really
- 32:11Speaker 2: kind of a the old fashioned blue dog democrat. Denise
- 32:15Speaker 2: just had a huge heart, and she perceived Democrats as
- 32:18Speaker 2: being the you know, the touchy feely we we we
- 32:22Speaker 2: help the poor and the down trod come and yeah,
- 32:26Speaker 2: you Republicans, you're just about wealth and riches and all that.
- 32:29Speaker 2: But that's that's where it was for her. So so
- 32:33Speaker 2: I don't believe for one minute that that she would
- 32:36Speaker 2: be Uh but boy, I don't. I don't even like
- 32:38Speaker 2: to think about it right now. But anyway, understand, not
- 32:41Speaker 2: only was I married to a Democrat, I got a
- 32:43Speaker 2: lot of friends in my life who are Democrats who
- 32:45Speaker 2: don't see the world the way I do. So I
- 32:49Speaker 2: do long for a time where we could sort of
- 32:52Speaker 2: a disagree civilly, where we could have conversations and still
- 32:56Speaker 2: go out and get a cheeseburger. We could still and
- 32:59Speaker 2: but but Mark, the trouble is as crazy as they've gotten.
- 33:04Speaker 2: I don't know that there's any possibility of going back
- 33:07Speaker 2: to those times.
- 33:08Speaker 3: Because they won't do it, because it's up to them,
- 33:10Speaker 3: and they won't do it.
- 33:11Speaker 2: They won't get they won't.
- 33:14Speaker 4: Despised in Pennsylvania Democrats exactly.
- 33:17Speaker 2: And Fetterman is the guy who has said, look, I
- 33:20Speaker 2: don't recognize a lot of the aspects of my Democrat party. Now,
- 33:23Speaker 2: don't make don't get too you know, warm and fuzzy
- 33:26Speaker 2: about John Fetterman he's still a Democrat and he's still
- 33:29Speaker 2: got core book core beliefs that we we would find,
- 33:32Speaker 2: you know, unacceptable as Republicans. But look, I just I
- 33:35Speaker 2: don't know. I think there's no returning to those those
- 33:39Speaker 2: sort of common ground days. But I wish that we could.
- 33:43Speaker 2: I really do. But but you just summed it up.
- 33:46Speaker 2: You nailed it. The only way we can get back
- 33:48Speaker 2: to that is if they get normal, if they start to.
- 33:50Speaker 3: Stop to them, it's up to them in any primary stage.
- 33:53Speaker 2: Stop celebrating, stop celebrating political violence, stop advocations to start.
- 33:58Speaker 2: There's a good start, you know.
- 34:00Speaker 3: Now do we have do we do?
- 34:01Speaker 4: We have time for Rand Paul's drunk Son?
- 34:04Speaker 2: We do know? You know what, Let's do Rand Paul's
- 34:07Speaker 2: Drunk Son tomorrow. Can we do that tomorrow? Because I
- 34:09Speaker 2: want to do that tomorrow, and we'll dive into that
- 34:11Speaker 2: because I want to end on a very upbeat note.
- 34:14Speaker 2: See you should be watching. You get your bifocals out
- 34:16Speaker 2: and look at these comments on the YouTube page because
- 34:19Speaker 2: we're live on YouTube, and we thank you for tuning in.
- 34:21Speaker 2: And we'll end on this happy note. This will put
- 34:24Speaker 2: a smile on your face or the rest of the day, Cybersal.
- 34:28Speaker 2: Cybersal wrote, howdy from Keller, Texas. Eminem Extra is my
- 34:33Speaker 2: new favorite podcast. It's official. Grateful to God that we
- 34:37Speaker 2: have Mike and Mark bringing clarity and character based content
- 34:41Speaker 2: to the culture war we're fighting. Wow, thank you.
- 34:45Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
- 34:46Speaker 4: And I have to tell you that having been robbed,
- 34:51Speaker 4: snatched blind of one thing that I kind of want
- 34:53Speaker 4: to do three four minutes on and accepting your premise
- 34:55Speaker 4: that we'll just do that tomorrow. Yes, I am, however,
- 34:58Speaker 4: going to shoehorn something. Yet they will take thirty seconds.
- 35:00Speaker 4: Because you hated this yesterday. I've whittled it down to
- 35:03Speaker 4: one bell, got it. Every once in a while, I'm
- 35:06Speaker 4: doing a birthday. I'm doing it.
- 35:08Speaker 2: There we go play. Are you gonna play the run
- 35:10Speaker 2: out of the run ats? Now? Are we gonna hear?
- 35:12Speaker 4: It's musical? Birthdays is radio. I'm doing culture, political whatever.
- 35:17Speaker 4: And I understand you didn't want to, you know, do
- 35:19Speaker 4: John Kasik Jim Jones was interesting yesterday.
- 35:21Speaker 3: Come on, you know it, you know it.
- 35:23Speaker 2: But birthdays are not interesting to me. I don't think
- 35:25Speaker 2: birthdays are interesting.
- 35:26Speaker 3: It's an opera way. It's okay.
- 35:28Speaker 4: First of all, I don't particularly care at all how
- 35:30Speaker 4: old anybody is or the fact that it's their birthday.
- 35:33Speaker 4: It's an opportunity to take stock of something and remember
- 35:37Speaker 4: something and go wow, to sort of take a little
- 35:39Speaker 4: trip back in history.
- 35:40Speaker 3: Today's you're ready. You know who? You know who's eighty two? Today?
- 35:43Speaker 3: Tell George Lucas.
- 35:44Speaker 4: So there's all your Star Wars movies, there's American graffiti,
- 35:47Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. So George Lucas eighty two. So
- 35:51Speaker 4: there you go.
- 35:52Speaker 2: And I know why I don't like it, because all
- 35:54Speaker 2: these people that can remind you of your own mortalent,
- 35:57Speaker 2: because in my mind, George Lucas is thirty nine. You know,
- 36:02Speaker 2: I'm seeing pictures of him with the bushy beard and
- 36:05Speaker 2: the hair and he's directing from the side and he's
- 36:07Speaker 2: forty four years old. And then you say he's eighty two,
- 36:10Speaker 2: and I want to go drive my car off a cliffy.
- 36:12Speaker 2: I know.
- 36:12Speaker 3: I'm sorry, all right, On that.
- 36:14Speaker 2: Happy note, Thank you for joining us live on YouTube.
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- 36:22Speaker 3: We are grateful. Thank you