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Construcción Plural - Programa 1144 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
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Listen to it on radio topic train our President was the nation in Argentina,
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Dr Rabiero Mirey was the president hello. Everyone. There is no stabilization plan,
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not good, but the delay to change. There' s a foreign
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exchange problem here. It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in the twenty
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- four thousand. Good. It' s very little speck, it'
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s already a lot of equator, but you' re not liberal. There
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were taxes how about the province not, but if I add one plus three
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hundred sixty five times and give me three sixty s you can not organize.
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If there' s no video and there' s no You who invited me
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to I' m fede your noodle Cotuk. They want to know how the
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economy is going to grow, it' s going to go up like fart
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bus. But there' s no and cloud, well, because there'
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s no comprehensive plan. But you should set the path. This is not
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a liberal government because it did not release the drug. Not because today'
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s appreciation changed. I have a changing appreciation, but good freedom faces few
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people. It' s too bad they think the President was back in the
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spotlight, obviously Blis Gerande as always, but he wasn' t to the
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amitos glove sanfiel is a great and the Winnerias gave him a prize for this
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stand up standard. But President, you were an expansionist, how are you?
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My friends, very, very good afternoon. Well, let' s
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do something much more serious. Here a horita of fifteen thirty- six together
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with Brasilla Romar, as always God, all come out a little while later
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with Eduardo Fianzas will be our two references, two sociólos, two analysts of
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the reality of the highest level, here, in Argentina, after another that
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passed yesterday a political consultant of first. In this case, our columnist Don
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Hay Hay in two minutes gave the production to see if we can make contact
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with Romero. So we do. Quiet adar leo enfobada this hour fifteen thirty
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with more than pleasant eighteen almost nineteen degrees. A thousand hundred the Bluk had
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threatened to go down a little bit. It' s just like yesterday.
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No change. One thousand ninety- five goes down a little bit. The
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count with Lik remains the greatest currency reference in which marks the ceiling lu when
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in general it is the CSL MERP is in thousand fifty- eight Risk country
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thousand fifty- seven of the Bank Nation nine hundred and five. Let'
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s see what' s burning and Fernando Luci Gas. The Government is considering
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freezing tariffs throughout the winter. Well, as long as it anchors you exchange
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and the delay would change that the President, let' s say, is
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a good economist. But good that the President you made that does not exist
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and blah blah good now also using the anchor rate so that the inflation stays
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there in the five until the end of the year, in the five percent,
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and then we' re going to how it goes down more. Actress.
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He lowered it and made an achievement, but of course the context is
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in the middle of a recession, as happens many times with adjustment plans,
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with the law bas getting bogged down. There is already talk of June as
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a deputy would sanction him as he had in June. We' re so
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short of the government I put the tero Illaruel in the negotiations in the Senate
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late, but I' m sure it was me because they' d pulled
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away before. We will celebrate the May Pact. I wonder with a lot
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if paagism, how if those who live love America. Fourth of July you
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know what it is. July 4th, Independence Day. Already the ephem has
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recognized that the Argentine stabilization plan is not obtaining, it is obtaining better the
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dissolved than the expected ones. It' s the greatest fit of humanity and
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says Milay doesn' t usually say to see the theme is that of course
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it does that coast of what and you don' t get a handle from
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the bottom. There' s no news on that side. In that sense,
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it is not what I expected protocaputos, but it has not entered a
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dollar. In the midst of the industry’ s recession, a tap factory
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suspended six hundred employees because of distortion. It reveals that most of the accused
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picketers also charge their own social plan. Tax perception must be eliminated. Throw
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as if nothing this irreverent irresponsible that had friends narco funding brand. Expert became
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surely a candidate, a problem that comes and comes to you from the strong
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names of Miley' s government, I came to play a salary. A
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journalist' s crude account of his experience with gambling doesn' t answer,
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because he doesn' t give you NAFTA and you take the money out of
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the poor. The fort crossed between recorded Imarra. Now I didn' t
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see that now I' m resting or almost or trying to watch some show
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in a movie. It' s already eleven night and night. A sore
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pass, but well that John also the media spectacularization in a program with source
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of two voices. Big Rocky hit. I don' t know who.
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Well recorded and recorded Immarra more reuis well to see we become a society dictates
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to instant pleasure. Marian Rojas. Estape explains how to reconfigure our brain again.
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Well well, a national deputy denounced corruption to favor Mr del Tabaco.
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He said that there were legislators assembled by Tavalcalera Sarandí no less possessis Mondino met
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in Washington with Chirick christ dot Biden' s advisor for Latin America. When
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I understand that Rome is not here yet, they won' t let me
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know when it' s there. Gets to perfect Romer. Well, let
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' s see what other news of the day would go over. I don
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' t want to see a little bit of Aníbal Fernández' s milk.
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He said he allowed him. I said she allowed operations against Loberto Fernández.
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Well, they throw themselves with everything in internal- peronist voracious interns. Tairu
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said it right here with us. What problems they have with there are large
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corporations, economic organizations with global interests and which also manage the media. Not
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in the cinema itself do we see the only bad guys in the film are
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politicians, when the problem is the businessmen and journalists and they are absolutely right.
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Alejandro Priros, I' d say reactivation outside. No, like saying
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my law, out good Ministry. I also reactivation not another who sends us
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to the psychologist adorón adorón or the presidential zero. What problem they have with
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the exchange rate they have to go to the psychologist do in therapy is always
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very respectful. Not the squeamish and disrespectful, mileism is more disrespectful. Everything
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happens. And Cristina Fernández Era was corrupt, she was condemned menen, she
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was corrupt, she was condemned. Everything happens. This is an example of
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policy. Carlos menn good and so we are at this point. We are
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in this rebive return of the 1990s, the pink poverty, the fifty percent
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that there is a little bit, because of course, if there is a
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bit of inflation, poverty falls. That says a report that was being read
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for these hours. If I am not mistaken in this case I was of
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plain of the mouth, as is usual of the University, of the Social
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Observatory, but of the University Torcuato di Tela. Not to see where I
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' m going on this day. As I say, he shows up pretty
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nice inside of everything and he' s gonna be presumptuous on the weekend than
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these days. Yesterday Guayme said here highlighted the approval of a thousand of the
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management of a thousand, which is in forty- five against fifty of approval,
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because there was a fifteen who went around and did not define that it
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did not pininomite opinion and that passed to evaluate negatively, so today it gives
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deficit less five forty- five favors, fifty against approval and that pressure of
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management. The image of my law, which came to be in fifty-
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seven today, is in fifty- two. He wants to hugo, it
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' s positive and there' s more here with us, but it'
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s at fifty- two percent. The image of President Millay. I said
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and these are real numbers that we are. My little girl doesn' t
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half support in the middle that she doesn' t. Around there we'
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re going to see where I' m still going The' 90s are back.
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We have already said that, that we can talk about it right now
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in a minute with Rommers confidence the return of the nineties, the damned nineties,
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inflation going down, but at the cost of being expensive in five or
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six, which is not a bad number to start talking about, but of
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course it is number to say until the end of the year to carry the
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limits historians of two or three. We' re far away. The stocks,
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despite Miley' s Jerk lie, come to slow, do not get
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up, there are no fresh or deep pains. He' s got nothing.
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He' s in love with the country tax, even if he doesn
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' t say so. Don' t tell him yesterday you fucking talked about
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going a dollarization, anything but fake. It' s false that he'
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s close to the trap lift. And it is false that it is certain
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that they gave of logalization, if some kind of basket coin competition. But
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there will be no oganization, as Millay promised in campaigns Alejandro Rosmán. We
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' ll be posting it on our website and we saw it yesterday. We
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hear it here in plural construction. The rigie, the promotion of big investments
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as new a kind of colonial photosí not the Rosman emparenta in some ways and
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we are good. I believe that in the age of cruelty with this issue
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also of how disabled people are neglected, there is also cruelty in this case.
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This government is pre- eminent on the subject, not to mention that
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it is being checked how the piqueteros played with poverty and people' s need.
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So, well, there we are. Well, we don' t
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have Robert yet I don' t know what happened. They don' t
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tell me anything. We have to wait. A little bit I understand,
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we' re going to a batch. So, you play, we go
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to a batch and there they tell me how much we have to wait for
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Romerck and how we are in this batch moment. The first batch is until
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sixteen thirty. In principle Garciela Romer and then Don Eduardo Fianzas are expected to
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leave. Let' s go to that batch and come back so we remind
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you that you can find us on social networks, on our website, where
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enjoy it with family and friends. All right, well we' re then
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to sociologist Gracia Romer, titular associate Romera founder of Cyving Democracy, America Race.
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Good afternoon. Fernando Say hello, how are you so long? Graciela,
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there' s no, thank you, okay. I got into the
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presentation. Yeah, there is. Graciela, hi, hi, hey,
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okay, okay. You hear me, how you are. I hear you
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perfect, yeah, yeah, I' m fine, ah well, well.
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Since I' m not going to inter salutations. You wanted to doubt
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no, no, no, so you heard the good greeting when you see
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this that my law, which lives rejoicing, speaks of neighborhood phenomenon in networks
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when it speaks of it, adjustment that was not implemented in any country,
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the greatest, the greatest adjustment of universal history. One says the Argentines are
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so special that we' re going to get this fit that no one ever
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saw anything will lead us to success. Or you think we' re almost
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inexorably moving something that' s going to fail because for some reason no one
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implemented it. You know that the Argentines have you, I say they have
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because I live questioning long enough then that I do not integrate. You have
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that fantasy you agreed on dualde when you claimed that we were doomed to success,
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and I think there' s a lot of that. There is no
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question in this speech of the President of my law that I would say to
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you narcissistic, very strong and tending to megalomania, because really the important thing
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is not whether we are the first in the world. In terms of being
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in the first, let' s say we have to see how to say
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having what this is called the index? The famous index? This famous index
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of the exceptional what' s called good doesn' t matter. Exceptionality is
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something that is very much involved in culture, in national culture and especially in
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political diligence. Power makes the historic presidents that we have had really mount more
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on a pride and let' s say if a very marked narcissism. No,
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and it seems to me that that happened to him, for example,
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to put another historical process on horseback. When he grabbed at the time of
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the rúa, He did not grow that with his imprint or the same mac
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recently did not macri grow that as he was free market, which was true.
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But I say, only with the imprint, only with arriving good turns
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with a stage to Argentina arrive investments in days. I mean, there'
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s a lot of megalomania in general, so that political oppression requires journalism too,
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but well, too much looks. I heard Sabater say democracy some time
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ago. Democracy is us. Democracy is not just political leadership. If I
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have a stupid leader, it' s because the Argentines, the Argentine average,
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stayed at the Spanish Argentine average or whoever it is. That is only
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in authoritarianism or in an autocracy. You can break down the representation, but
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in fact, a President and political diligence is voted by the people. You
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convert me. We are therefore very responsible for the situation. But back to
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this subject, I think there is a question of exceptionality. From Maradona to
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whatever you want, we' re the richest country in the world. We
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were first world. That' s not true. We were never first world.
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We were, let' s say, in a situation of fairly homogeneity
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with countries that were in the process, let' s say strong growth and
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entering, let' s say this first world and this lasted for us,
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the truth that lasted for us very little. No, but we' re
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still on with this fantasy anyway. And I think that' s done us
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enormous damage. A huge damage because when one wonders why what happens to us
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happens, how could this have been a country that potentially had one, let
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' s say a real possibility of power, let' s say going ahead
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and a developer, but we have something like a syndrome. Let' s
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say permanent failure, not staying seems a little bit like that idea of mania
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failure is real. I think I' ll buy you a minute because if
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I don' t get the idea, because it has to do with this
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has to do with denial. The only way to overcome the problems one has
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at both the individual and group levels or at the societal level. It has
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to do with assuming reality, as it is and I fantasize about reality.
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I can' t change. I can' t change, and I think
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we Argentines have. We' ve got that deep. Let us first say
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a question, let us say of the denial of very strong reality and repeat
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again things that clearly failed and in this sense, in this context, you
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are that my law is again a new exceptionality, a new magician who appears,
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because I say it was not voted to challenge. I' m not
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saying, the diagnosis is clear. The political class is not the only class
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or caste. But I say the political class is totally censored. And either
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people are a shameful look at that super- critical. And so on,
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but I say you didn' t vote to get a moderate out. It
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was voted at one end. Let' s say you believe that in this
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framework, this new Argentine exceptionality, which represents and elected and voted for by
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the people of my law, can effectively give rise to a new failure.
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I think that my law comes precisely because it synchronizes quite well with that desire
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and that fantasy of exceptionality, this one that the Argentine has in the middle
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and in reality, in reality, one thinks looks. I' m going
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to say something that' s suddenly I didn' t vote to go to
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my law I didn' t really vote for it, but I was very
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glad that I won yes and understood after I didn' t vote. I
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mean, I didn' t vote for it at first and I accepted and
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got very happy. Let' s say because my right- hand side,
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let' s say not the rational left, but a right- hand side.
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What he thought was basically Argentina needs a radicalization, a radical proposal in
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order to really believe in someone and even more than believing to get out of
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the situation in which he is then. I believe that, indeed, that
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represents, that represents my law. I think there' s a problem.
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Let us say in general today, the media pose good until when, until
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when people can expect some sort of response to a situation really very well responds
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and I would say that the government should learn, to read, to make
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a less superficial reading of public opinion, because I believe, I believe,
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that we are in our own government. He doesn' t read, he
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doesn' t talk to people, and in this regard, it seems to
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me that the Government' s empathic capacity is very limited. He doesn'
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t talk to people, he talks to the celits when I followed in a
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lot of detail. The President' s speech at the SICIB if you went
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yesterday in the Villager and really a kind of economy that I said we didn
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' t have. I don' t remember a President who had this ability
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to say and this histrionism to really explain very, very, very much this
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very much to see how to tell you very stimulating. Yeah, and suddenly
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I said, but who' s he talking to, of course, when
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when my law talks if it assures you, it talks to people and then
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it talks about macroeconomics. Yes, for me I am sure that fifty percent
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of those entrepreneurs really understood this what it was about and what the cape passed
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on to him. But, excuse me. But, but, excuse me.
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But there is no inconsistency with the campaign, because in the campaign he
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also spoke of macro- economics, the monetary aggregates, that is, he
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continues in the same line in that sense. But I was talking about this
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that I know that I should leave being in this government. No. But
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I was talking about very concrete things. I was basically talking about convertibility.
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People didn' t understand the rest of the understanding. I was talking about
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dollarization, that tendentiente don' t understand. I believed everything, I bought
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100, 000 pesos, I was going to cure 100, 000 dollars.
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It was a crime too, but well, but I mean, but people
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understood it doesn' t matter, it doesn' t matter, but there
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wasn' t a class there to explain to people that, in reality,
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that wasn' t true, but on the contrary. On the contrary,
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people grabbed on dollarization, grabbed on the dandruff, grabbed on the chainsaw.
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And now I have to tell you that it goes on. It really keeps
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going and communicating with the people waiting. This is like a patient who has
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a family member in intensive care and is outside waiting. He' s here
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now, but he' s in heaven. Graciela, my dear, not
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garpa, I say it seems to garpar today to re- establish in half
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society, to put more or less that to see I say to close li.
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No one was any good. We will see how much public employment they
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started to do if they were not doing anything perfect Sira Neoking now there is
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not only the measure, but there is a rejoicing of the government, the
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boxer or so on. When that happens on the part of society that says
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look at how good it is. I mean, there' s like a
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little bump in Esperame' s Let me get this over with. There is
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like a joy in misfortune, how can my law and say this. I
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am making the hardest adjustment in the history of mankind and rejoicing at that.
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There' s an audience listening. Let' s say that. The interview
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of the BBC journalist, of the few series interviews that have been given to
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Milay you will have seen her about ten seven times ago. She asked the
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journalist from life a retired woman, what did she have to say? And
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he reads to me at no time, even if it' s overacted or
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he faked a good reaction. I would say that poor person who is going
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to see you in the future, never empathized with the Argentine social being and
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in this gross case we are talking about the same thing with different examples.
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When I' m talking to you about exactly the same thing. That'
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s why you don' t talk to people. This journalist. What he
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did was bring it down to reality. We' re going to talk to
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him about why he poí se poí po and then and not even the inflation
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rates that people are going down do not register, because in reality, that
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inflation, which falls at the level of macro indicators, does not reach the
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supermarket. You sit down and you don' t raise your salary. The
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loss of the average salary in the Argentine Republic and much less to the retired
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let' s say emblematically in itself we are living a situation of Argentina beaten.
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To where and until when. If this battered Argentina is going to resist,
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it' s like the battered women you suddenly saw can' t stand
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in the situation, but they don' t leave the marriage, they close
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the door and go for a lot of things, because I have no one
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to go with, because I don' t have this one you understand me.
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The point is until when, and I think the government doesn' t
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handle it well until when. Here' s what I want to tell you.
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There' s a psyche study where you' re good to expect you
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to remember. A long time ago, many years ago, Menem had when
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Menem' s famous fit. Yes, this is going to be an anesthesia
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- free adjustment and without how it was said without anesthesia, I asked myself,
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in an interview. I do not finish understanding why this sadistic delight,
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of hurting and causing pain, but in this is already when I understand Anesthesia,
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this was not how I stooped a cycle ago and this is exactly my
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own look. If I live, you know very well. I believe more
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in quality than in quantity. Then I' ll talk to the manager.
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I focus groug and ask there' s a question here. You would vote
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again after making sure you agree with what you are doing. Eye because it
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depends on that, it depends on the type of segment you have. After
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confirming that you have, let' s say an interviewee who is part of
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this cultural change that is taking place, let' s say I didn'
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t say no to you and why not, who I would vote for,
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thinking I was going to say, either I would go back to Peronism or
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I wouldn' t vote for Maquiri or I would vote for Patricia or I
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would vote for what I mean. And why do they do this, because
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you when you ask him why, why he doesn' t keep the campaign
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promise and what the promise is. The promise isn' t just to use
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the chainsaw, it' s who you use the chainsaw with. And what
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people feel is that the baggies of privilege And the caste surrounds the President and
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continues to exist because you may have retired people, but you don' t
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take away users' assemblers. You' re bob here. I am taking
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the retirees more to explain what I want to explain, but in reality you
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take what is happening to one of a middle- class family, with the
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increase in subsidies, services or social works or with the insurance of the car.
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It' s tea, I mean it' s really terrible, really
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terrible. When you look and see, everyone tells you really what is the
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reason why if nothing has been done with the double or triple, Cristina Fernández
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' s multiple retirement or the many other facts, you understand not only corruption,
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the performance of sectoral privileges that have not been touched by the Government And
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when it plays, it plays in second and third lines, but not the
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emblematic examples that should be put into play all the time to be able to
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extend what is called the people' s wait. Well, but there'
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s also a part of the people, I say they love me is almost
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incomprehensible, because it' s not the first time in Argentine history. Grace
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that says and well, you have to sacrifice yourself. And this is painful.
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But then there' s light at the end of the tunnel that Miley
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doesn' t explain, that is, you said until when milaye maybe doesn
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' t fall into that mistake or doesn' t want to give that second
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semester macri error or something like that that stigmatized him later let' s say.
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There are people who think that you have to sacrifice yourself, that you
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have to adjust, because, of course, that' s why you need
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it, that' s why you need it, that' s not true,
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emblematic facts, because it' s clear. It is clear that there
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is no way, there is no way that what is taking place level of
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the macropage you understand at the level of the pocket. This is going to
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demand time. It takes investment. Well, there' s no need to
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repeat what' s obvious. Everyone already knows the point. So what'
26:11
s the candy you put in front of his nose and I don' t
26:15
have to talk. We' re going in front of the nose. I
26:17
' m telling you, there really isn' t. I' m going
26:19
to say that no candy there' s very little candy there' s very
26:25
little candy, especially because it' s neutralized. It is neutralized with the
26:30
vision that people have and I see it getting stronger this is not a game
26:36
where sacrifice is distributed in the same way that there are sectors of society if
26:42
they pay more than this adjustment, if this fiscal balance pays it or is
26:48
made at the expense of one sector and not of other sectors that would have
26:53
less problems. You understand me now, yes, very interesting. What you
26:57
tell me now, what happens. It is to romp see, except for
27:02
some we spoke to Uayme, who is friend of the house, our friend
27:04
told us the disapproval no and exceeds the approval is fifty against forty- five
27:07
government, but Miley has fifty- two percent. Positive image and how much
27:11
of rapraía muchípera cra of there were many favorable accounts. I have to break
27:18
them with what you' re telling me, either I say or you'
27:21
re passing me values that you see despair on the street. How the value
27:25
of the favorable, the value of the favorable. This is very relative,
27:30
because you have fifty percent, but you have forty percent. Society is split.
27:36
Society is ready. Is that how sure, well, but when you
27:40
talk, do you have majority support is a relative majority support? It'
27:45
s not a majority support why relative? Let' s see, let'
27:48
s see, why relative? Because it seems to you that fifty- two
27:52
percent is more priority support. Forty- eight percent are against it. Then
27:56
look at that. What worries me is that they are more worried that it
28:02
will not come down from that fifty percent, instead of growing the Pri My
28:07
law does not manage to add up as the flutist of Amelín and you notice,
28:11
what it costs, what it costs him to really put the votes together
28:15
in the Senate or what it costs him to put the votes together as a
28:18
deputy. And, well, yeah, yeah, then what do I say,
28:25
what do I say? I think we should do fine tuning? I
28:29
think we need to tune in either this thing we' re going through.
28:33
I applaud him. I applaud this because I really believe that we must bring
28:37
about a cultural change that, on the other hand, a cultural change does
28:41
not occur even in a generation, yes, much less in four months of
28:47
four months. Plau the cultural change that Miley is carrying out, but that
28:51
is not a change of cultures. It' s a change, a cultural
28:53
change, it' s a permanent and persistent change in time, if it
29:00
' s not just a vote decision, a change of l But so I
29:03
missed what change you applaud you don' t understand you talk about people that
29:07
what you then woe. I applaud the measurements. I applaud the measures being
29:11
taken. Most measures, not all. I basically agree that the role of
29:18
the State must be revisited. I do not agree that the role of the
29:23
State should be confused with denying as the little vitas. When the little ones
29:27
don' t like soup, they throw out soups because, well, if
29:30
the role is dina, it seems to me to dynamite the state. It
29:33
is not reformatting or reoptimizing the state of clarity, but I do not think
29:37
so. That' s right. There is no liberal democracy in the world
29:41
to tell me where. But that is why it is again the Argentine exceptionality
29:45
that beats that in general ends badly. No, but that' s why,
29:49
that' s why, then you. What you have to do is
29:52
show or watch. And my law saw it. It didn' t last
29:55
long. For example, I' m going to travel on the planes on
29:59
the plane. Yes, I thought it was wonderful to travel on the planes
30:03
as a child and give signs of austerity and give but all that, did
30:08
it all start? Start decaying? Start decaying? People want to? People
30:14
want to see a government that effectively punishes those responsible, but those responsible.
30:23
Again, I get the hell out of it and I get to it and
30:26
he told you. I tell you more that those were the same ones who
30:29
released everything with the decree and with the preparations we are controlling it. We
30:33
got out of the book marked and we' re punishing the prepas We made
30:37
them retouch the price. I put on a wedding to hell. It'
30:37
s not what I think. I' m telling you. They may argue
30:40
that, for example, they touched a privilege, but one, but what
30:42
oars enabled. No, but good, but many a minute I paid thirty
30:48
- fifty and went from paying thirty- fifty to three hundred sixty and now,
30:53
in fact, they' re going to spoil it about two hundred,
30:57
but it' s not a matter of relativizing you. You also understand what
31:00
I give and what I get. You understand me. Yeah, yeah,
31:04
then no. No, no, no, no, that' s you.
31:07
You talk to me about the prepaid. That' s fine, but
31:10
it' s not measured. It is not measured, let us say,
31:15
the consequences of what is being done. The consequences are measured in relation to
31:19
a model or model. Let' s say country, a model, a
31:25
model, let' s say growth and development without having a program. But
31:30
there' s an idea of where. However, there is no such thing.
31:34
Costs are not evaluated, let' s say of those benefits. You
31:40
understand me, there' s no show. Okay. I don' t
31:44
think an economic program is. What is missing is the design of a strategic
31:48
plan. I don' t know where we' re going to go to
31:52
an extractive country, we' re going to go to a country. Ireland
31:53
said, for example, and Ireland is a model Ireland, for example Germany.
32:00
You give him wings. Well, all right, but model Ireland.
32:05
Hey says the model in Ireland. And with that what you mean very much
32:07
in Irish. No, but you understand, you have to ask him.
32:13
You have to ask people. You have to dial him. Let' s
32:16
say with a certain level. Let' s say, of course, a
32:22
general idea, but with a certain profile, understandable and where the country is
32:29
going, notice that to the last one, towards the I was not listening
32:32
to you when you speak in the truck, then the verse of the caste
32:37
doesn' t give, because by its star advisor, caputo thinks that now
32:42
a May impact may come again. If no one is a possibility that is
32:44
the verse of all are castes that I am the buses we did not see
32:46
it with quinerism, this that on one side is the good, on the
32:49
other the bad ones, all the rest are caste. Casually only the politicians.
32:52
It' s not caste entrepreneurs of course it' s the same as
32:57
the same gram giano model. You understand to copy, Let' s say
33:06
achieve a culture, Let' s say a culture that today I am scattered
33:13
and my forgetfulness of concepts, a hegemonic culture, you understand me and put
33:17
you from one side to the middle of the population and on the other side
33:21
the other half to be able to share totally chooses good. This isn'
33:23
t it. This is not really a goal. Let' s say towards
33:29
a liberal democracy for nothing, for nothing good, graciela, Thank you,
33:34
as always a brave taste pussy, graciela Romera here in plural construction. Well,
33:37
let' s see if we can find it right now,' cause
33:39
we' re gonna start running the time and four and a half meters run
33:45
to Danie Valentina Maures' school and take him out of his fourth grade.
33:45
In a minute we will be and everything goes well, as I usually say
33:50
and we also fulfill him with Eduardo bail in a program the truth of luxury
33:53
today between socio, sociological, political analysis, just with romer very very very
34:00
interesting, said Romar what we talk about the mania of Argentine failure, in
34:02
the search of exceptionality. We are exceptional in the world. Dualdo said so
34:07
many things. We' re doomed to success, the depositor dollar will have
34:09
dollars, good, etcetera. Etcetera. Not very interesting the talk with Graciela
34:15
Romer and says that the government should learn to make a less superficial reading of
34:19
public opinion and the government does not talk to people to see it. I
34:22
have on- line finance dor. I' m going to consult him about
34:25
this, which was just telling me interesting that I think Graciela Romer is going
34:28
to see if it matches. And as for Eduardo Fidanza, Eduardo, good
34:30
afternoon, how' s it going Hello, Fernando, how' s it
34:35
going good afternoon, Good. Thank you so much for taking care of us
34:37
once again. Please, we were just talking about a maybe so interesting talk,
34:40
which we' re gonna have a little bit of now. With you
34:44
Graciela Romera here with me and I mentioned it seemed very interesting to me in
34:49
the Argentine exceptionality that my law can find out a little bit about this,
34:52
because I was asking her this that she reads me rejoices that it was a
34:57
neighborhood phenomenon between quotation marks and good pulls out. That' s why he
34:57
' s been punished. With that ah today have the sidereal adjustment plan of
35:02
humanity that no one has implemented. And it was also funny to me that
35:06
the government believes you call exceptionality. He' s not talking to people,
35:09
he' s talking to the celits. You agree with this reading. This
35:13
is a medium- term risk to the Government. To look at the question
35:20
of exceptionality, we could nuance it because international studies that have analyzed the emergence
35:34
of ultra- right parties in democratic processes show a very interesting fact that the
35:42
people who vote for these ultra- right expressions. When asked to identify the
35:49
country' s main problem, they refer to non- economic problems, while
35:55
those who vote our options refer to economic problems as the main problems. We
36:04
replicated in polyarchy with data from us and in relation to the balloons, and
36:12
the result was the same more than sixty percent of what they voted for my
36:16
law. The fundamental problem is politics, privileges, corruption, insecurity. Those
36:25
who voted by mass the main problem of the economy. Then, in reality,
36:30
we would be faced with a phenomenon that replicates international experiences and cannot be
36:40
understood without understanding the abyss into which conventional politics fell. Well, in what
36:47
Miley calls caste, I think that' s more than talking about exceptionality.
36:54
What he is talking about is the reproduction in Argentina of the political process that
37:00
has been seen in the world in recent years. In this context comes the
37:06
rise of certain extremist right- wings and so forth. So cultural change matters
37:10
a lot in the framework of this agenda. Let' s say, if
37:14
you tell me to see that data, the reinforcements that sixty percent of the
37:17
voters of the ballot of that fifty- six of my law does not have
37:22
that axis in the economy, but in criticism, politics, privileges, corruption,
37:27
etcetera, etcetera. The important cultural changes in Miley' s agenda and
37:31
for the large part of his voters. Obviously, there was a significant change
37:39
in opinion trends and beliefs, and what opinion tendencies finally express after the succession
37:45
of government with different ideological signs, because here it seems to me that it
37:55
is important that it has who Mauricio Macri succeeded and then he saw Peronism,
38:00
after more than ten years of economic stagnation that end with almost perinflationary episodes,
38:07
he calmed, evidently in most of society resentful disillusionment. As for the elites,
38:28
I would tell you not only the political selites. If one sees the
38:31
level of trust in the institutions, there will be that, along with politics,
38:36
they are at a very low level of employers, for example, and,
38:39
by the way, trade unions. That is to say, there is
38:44
obviously a breakdown in what we have been seeing for many years. I don
38:50
' t know how much cultural change is. It could be the beginning of
38:54
a cultural change. Now, anyway, we are five months away from the
39:00
start of this government and, while I take this opportunity to announce on your
39:06
program, the latest information that we have from this month that public opinion support
39:12
Miley remains very strong. The expectations of economic improvement are very high. While
39:19
this continues to happen, it has proven your management. We already have promotions,
39:23
not and in the order of fifty- eight percent or so. That
39:28
' s the data or the other poyo. Yeah, that' s the
39:30
tip we' re making out this afternoon. I can pretense if juliarchy can
39:37
ask you if Monarchy is working for the house, to stop for the government.
39:43
It is not in any way that we are working in any way we
39:47
are working for the Government. But I want to tell you that during the
39:52
government of Nestor Kifner, I live the image of Kifner, during all the
40:00
months of his government, which was four years, the average positive image given
40:04
by Poliarquia, that a company that absolutely did not work for the government,
40:08
average positive image of sixty- four percent when it ended, and negative image
40:13
ESPN P nine percent management or prethelation. Not that is of that era the
40:17
personal image of sixty- four percent average positive image of four. Or tell
40:23
me that now I have you fifty- eight of personal image management. He
40:27
' s got you covered not fifty- eight of the discharge. Sometimes the
40:34
percentages vary according to the number of categories that has a question approval of that
40:39
approval It is a classic question and I would say to you at this moment
40:45
my law is a little over the fifty- six percent that it obtained in
40:52
the Balotalle I mean Fernando, so far in view of the parameters with which
40:57
the decisions are made, it is appreciated the solidity the governments is very well
41:01
and it is particularly important because, so to speak, the political anchor of
41:08
this government is the public opinion. As we have said so much, it
41:14
has no legislators, we have no risks of sage from now on how indeed,
41:28
we know that an adjustment of an unprecedented depth. Well, here comes
41:35
the question that I try to answer by going to these international data, where
41:40
you can think people went to vote more for economic and economic reasons, and
41:45
the vote is very economic. It has its relevance, it' s not
41:50
the most frequent. For example, when the selections of two thousand nineteen Macri
41:55
make a very bad step, he recovers a number of votes and gets forty
42:00
- one percent. Clearly it does so with a non- economic discourse warning
42:07
about the dangers of return of populism, etc, etc, and takes forty
42:12
- one percent of the votes, having been a failure in economic terms.
42:15
Your government so good. Here are the people doing their evaluations. Not good.
42:22
The government talks to people or talks to the celit let' s say
42:27
Mira. Today there is a column of opinion in the Nation. Journalist of
42:34
two I follow Luciano Román and I liked it. I don' t always
42:37
agree with what he writes, but I like his most malformed stipend and the
42:42
Roman hypothesis is that there' s a risk that even law won' t
42:49
lock itself in his tower. This one' s good, and that'
42:53
s why. And good because he doesn' t travel the country, because
43:00
he can' t face people, because he lives in detention. However,
43:04
forms of communication have changed. My law has chosen, as a president of
43:13
the third decade of the twenty- first century, to communicate digitally. The
43:20
public square has been replaced by a square if you want digital. Whether that
43:28
holds up or doesn' t hold up well, you have to see it.
43:32
Now. Mostly, let' s say what' s at stake is
43:37
law in terms of preserving or losing popular support. From the experience we have,
43:43
we' ll have to see if it' s the one that'
43:45
s going to replicate. Well, it' s the issue of recession.
43:50
Why good, because if the recession were a huge depth, if we hadn
43:59
' t yet reached the peak and missed more recession, I mean above all
44:07
job loss, etcetera. You can play fate there. But I want to
44:14
tell you something that the economists say that I follow, because that the effects
44:17
of the recessive process are slower. So, for example, what does my
44:22
law do and good my law. Its objective is to lower inflation still incurring
44:30
in inconsistency of economic policy, but to the extent that it succeeds, to
44:36
give us its image, even increases it, And well, that is the
44:40
path that it has chosen. It' s not original. Nor is not
44:44
lowering inflation with recession not original. The issue, indeed, is the costs,
44:47
in the lack of activity, in the loss of work and so on.
44:51
If the part already knows something real, let' s also say to
44:54
you maybe not already tells you this question Vos does not surprise you, obviously,
44:59
understanding what happened before Cristina Fernández to Mauricio Macrie, Alberto Fernández to Sergio
45:02
more Cristino Fernández, you are not surprised. Social tolerance to the again and
45:07
Dixit Milay to the greatest adjustment that has been seen in humanity. Well,
45:14
see, there' s always reason to have questions that I haven' t
45:20
solved. But when you have questions, try to answer them by investigating.
45:24
When I resort to the explanation of the non- economic vote which, as
45:31
I say, I take it out of international experience. Well, that gives
45:38
me a principle of explanation. It' s like I' m telling you.
45:44
Besides, Miley has a mattress that has to do with what he calls
45:51
the caste, which has to do with his criticism of the elites. Now
45:55
and in addition to being voted predominantly for this, inflation is falling. Well,
46:04
the combo was built well and always has to be said. But for
46:07
now, but, Edward, what good is it for me beyond stability and
46:10
fear of the dollar, the medium, the hyper- inflation? What good
46:14
is it for me that in a few months I see that under inflation,
46:16
if I lost twenty thirty fifteen percent talk about your juil of my salary,
46:21
let' s say explain to me so that I understand what served me beyond
46:24
the flag of having lowered inflation, that we also have to see at what
46:28
level, because one thing that remains at the end of the year in five
46:30
and another thing that will lower it, which is no longer going to happen
46:32
to the mere seven year to one two percent. I think there are logical
46:35
inks to sing from seeing you off my fence. On the one hand,
46:40
there is the logic of the voter. I wrote my last column in profile.
46:51
I titled it consolidated The angel of the libertarian, without having the latest
46:55
data, but intuiting them and the irreversible sum of this, which I call
47:00
the libertarian angel, is that belief in caste, plus perception of the opposition
47:09
disaster, plus lowering it from inflation, minus recession. If the decision is
47:16
not brutal, the bill favors roco tantes is true starting with what the first
47:22
two factors are non- economic. The liction that forgiveness for withdrawing forgiveness against
47:29
the recession. What the three factors gave, because well you have a pot
47:32
first until the belief in the caste remains fully in force. Add the perception
47:40
of opposition chaos. It' s not true, there' s no child.
47:44
The possibility is at one of its worst moments its evil and the incipient
47:47
drop in inflation. Restor the recession if and the bill is giving you at
47:54
least fifty- eight percent of the people trying favorably. Now he asks me,
48:00
but I don' t want him to give up, because that'
48:06
s the logic of people. Now let' s go to the President'
48:10
s logic and here I see that my law is moving from orthodoxy to a
48:21
heterodoxy that makes it more like the rest of the politicians. What I mean.
48:23
My coming law was an almost religious, dogmatic milay, who would not
48:30
care about the sacrifice of society and would not care about the times in order
48:36
to achieve certain goals to heal the economy. It' s an enemy version.
48:45
I was going to operate if the anesthesia, etcetera. My law,
48:49
however, reaches this approval rate because it partly moderated the adjustment, delayed tariff
48:55
increases. For example, there is a small recomposition of income purchasing capacity,
49:08
because inflation actually fell. Now there' s going to be equals. I
49:16
want to tell you at some point it sounds like my milay started to say
49:22
and well, I' m at this level of popularity. It' s
49:25
not about risking it in a dogmatic way. Then let us appreciate that,
49:35
for example, to obtain the laws that are being discussed. We' re
49:42
going to law bus and the gothic park negotiated everything it could negotiate and,
49:46
according to the information I have, it will continue to negotiate until I get
49:52
the liz I want to tell you according to the logic of my law.
49:58
It is a slightly different logic and, finally, it is the scientific logic.
50:04
Those who contemplate the economic program and say no, but it is inconsistent
50:07
and means that probably in the future this inconsistency is expressed in a crisis.
50:15
But I' m done with this. When governments begin to appreciate the popularity
50:21
and eventuality of winning the next election, they are more lax and begin to
50:27
incorporate and paradoxically appreciate economic inconsistency. This leads to the fact that important crises
50:36
sometimes occur or have occurred between the Minister of Economy and President Observe, the
50:42
history, the history of compatibility, etcetera. Okay. That' s why
50:47
I' m telling you three convergent logics to see if I can interpret you
50:55
months Milige seems more like a politician with this subject he said before heterodoxia.
50:58
Why don' t people empathize to my law ask to try to understand it
51:01
from my place if he has asyole even if he has a minor romoy if
51:06
he wants to nominate the son, if he has black turns caputo, Aburrichel
51:09
has menems, if he has caste everywhere, he claims more until menem of
51:14
the nineties. The menen that was for much of society. It is this
51:17
that now tell me that society today has a positive balance of less experience in
51:21
full. He was also a great corrupt and a great fit savage. How
51:25
can I understand that I don' t find it hard to understand that to
51:30
interpret that clearly, let' s say it in colloquial terms. Yeah,
51:34
' cause he' s still wearing the bean suit. What it means when
51:43
a kind of leadership like that of Milay is established every first month, people
51:51
attribute success to him. He is looking at him and the inconsistencies, in
51:59
this case political or are forgiven or not attributed to him or directly there is
52:07
no information about them. I believe that in element that throws an element that
52:13
we have to incorporate famous in the information symmetry between the elites and the masses.
52:20
Let' s say, for example, when you ask about the judge
52:25
son, almost two thirds of society do not have the opinion or do not
52:29
know. So, for example, there is a bias there, which is
52:35
the bias of informed people who, moreover, have a progressive position. Then
52:39
you can do this analysis. Well, the nomination of the judge son,
52:45
what you said, the caste that has around the university march and then you
52:52
' re going to see that in the average of the population that is uninformed,
52:58
that has chosen you Miley as its leader, that has very specific concerns.
53:02
All that has moved our antherima. I' m good. We have
53:06
to know how society makes decisions or it' s amazing what things I'
53:14
m Axel Quisilofo in I' m a radical leader. Or what together or
53:16
if you want, we start, because if you saw him with a call
53:19
before they call Eduardo, you can come to a meeting at the silver.
53:21
What do you advise the opposition today, to be murky, to mark everything
53:25
that is left to stand and expect my law to begin to wear out,
53:30
to start as it is doing, that Silofa to try, to try,
53:32
to leave behind the quisnerismo and to hold public meetings, to take pictures with
53:37
Puyaro, the one who gave them some of this truck because of the issue
53:43
of insecurity or some background. Yesterday he was with pujaro, the one who
53:45
forgives. Yesterday he was with a cho Torres, which is the pro pro
53:49
is placed in Santa Cruz, giving also some ambulances that, as data what
53:53
you suggested for this moment we gave to the opposition, which is obviously in
53:58
this good catombe hit the roll and that are also the great assets of Miracle.
54:01
Obviously not, if I have to tell you something a little bit,
54:07
I charge for that answer to see you look good. Firstly, political consulting
54:16
is different, depending on what strength it is, because I understand that Chilov
54:24
has a number of very complex problems that, by the way, also have
54:32
MAC but are different. I think they probably have them. Many people change
54:38
or change, but for now there is something that seems to me to be
54:45
insurmountable, especially when the politicians have more participated in the political activity agreed upon
54:52
in recent years, that everyone has the backpack, so to speak, of
54:59
being political and, therefore, of being caste, because the designation of who
55:05
is caste and who is not caste depends on the presidential word and we will
55:13
see that the government unfolds between the pragmatic negotiating wing that even accepts economic inconsistency
55:22
if it succeeds politically. And then the account of the classical narrative of my
55:30
law, which says that caste is responsible. This is not new, because
55:37
the Kirner era, the responsible and the concentrated groups are now the caste.
55:44
But the point is who. It' s monopolizing beliefs, so to speak,
55:50
and well, the most entrenched belief. It' s questionable. It
55:54
' s just politics. We don' t even talk about the business caste.
55:58
No, well, of course, at first, no, no,
56:00
at the beginning of the political house. What I mean is very difficult,
56:05
because one would have to tell a politician to participate in the retreat, you
56:08
spent two years in ostracism, people forget you and I came back fresh.
56:15
Well, there are very few politicians who are fresh or who say they haven
56:23
' t lost some freshness. So, well, maybe you, I want
56:28
to say something. Oppositions are reborn on the basis of government detections. True,
56:39
today the position is as it is because the Government is in its stage
56:43
of success. If the government always happens to begin to fall, it will
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emerge alone, yes, entirely logical purposers. I' m sure the last
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one and in a minute record there' s expected. No, I do
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not want to make a distinction on sys subtle you will tell me, but
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it is more hope than I support what my law receives and to what extent
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if the good society you do not have it so much, but agree that
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we are half half not fifty- eight, but fifty- five, fifty
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- fifty, to what extent half of my law is more skillful If,
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indeed, it is more hope than I support to ratify by the measure of
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its vote and so on than the other, which is more than if,
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in terms of political figures, it is totally atomized, but in terms of
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tougher oppositions, fifty appear more abroquelado in terms of the street. I do
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not speak at the diligence level, I explain myself, but yes, but
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I would say this to the opposition family and it is very important, because
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it is at least forty- five percent of public opinion. But in addition,
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it is expressed in a famous theme, which is the distribution of banks
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in the Congress of Governors. And this speaks of the health of Argentine democracy,
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because my law has said that Rat' s United Congress, but Congress
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' opposition legislators, are doing the work for which they voted a hundred,
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which is to exercise the opposition and is an opposition I would say quite constructive
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that has forced the government to negotiate in a way. Indeed, today my
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law is successful in public opinion, but its foundations are weak, because I
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am talking about anchor, because if that anchor was lost, then my law
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would be in serious trouble. Peronist governments, for example, which have always
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had legislative, territorial, and so on. In case of mene men En,
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he ruled for a year with twenty- five percent positive image of government
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approval, I don' t remember, but he had all that structure.
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Then keep an eye on my law, because my law is very much at
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stake. He can do fine. Now let' s imagine a milay defeated
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in two thousand and twenty- five. No more serious tower with both legs
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cut off. You understand because he' s got nothing left. And that
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point was me the other time. Some laughed like I ended up in the
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column. If you don' t catch up with the tweets, if you
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took the precaution of being a Peronist. You understand well, Eduardo, thank
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you very much, uh, thanks to you a hug, big hug.
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Eduardo Figanza, associated the most renowned voices thinkers in Argentina. We' re
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leaving title of monarchy victory. Thank you, Juan, Thank you, Silvia
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Tuesday afternoon we met again. Thank you, thank you, good end for
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everyone s u s