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How Police Body Cameras Work · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works
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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
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Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. So
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Speaker 1: this is stuff you should know, like ever expanding law
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Speaker 1: Enforcement edition yet another Yeah we just did when didn't we?
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Speaker 1: Yeah we uh yeah, I can't remember which one it was.
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Speaker 1: They'll run together now. Yeah, Well we've done a lot yep.
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Speaker 1: Body cameras. Uh, and I kind of want to pick
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Speaker 1: this one out. Thought, well, I don't know if there's
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Speaker 1: a whole lot there, but it ended up being a
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Speaker 1: little more interesting than I thought to be. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot there, at least culturally too. Totally. So, um,
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Speaker 1: we're talking body cameras, and they're pretty straightforward at their base. Um,
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Speaker 1: but once you kind of start looking at like the
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Speaker 1: cultural baggage associated with them, why they're being used, it
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Speaker 1: is a pretty mushrooming topic for sure. And apparently back
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Speaker 1: in two thou five the Brits started using them and
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Speaker 1: they ran some Yeah, because I mean, like the city
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Speaker 1: of London, I don't think there's a square inch that
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Speaker 1: isn't under surveillance, you know. Yeah, they're just pretty uh technologically,
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Speaker 1: um forward, I think sure, Like the first cell phone
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Speaker 1: I ever saw was in London. Really yeah, obviously of
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Speaker 1: like Japan and Korea for that kind of stuff. Well
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Speaker 1: maybe there too, but I didn't go to either one
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Speaker 1: of those places in the early nineties, I got you,
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Speaker 1: So you're like, London's in your head for that. So
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Speaker 1: um with with I guess the UK in particular, once
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Speaker 1: they started using body cameras, they started using them more
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Speaker 1: and more and more. And that's definitely the case with
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Speaker 1: the United States more recently. Um And apparently there's a
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Speaker 1: there's a pilot program that really started the whole thing
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Speaker 1: off back in two thousand and twelve in a little
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Speaker 1: town called Rialto, California, which is about fifty miles east
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Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. Yeah, and in Rialto, I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: what the impetus was, but the police chief and a
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Speaker 1: criminologist got together and said, let's let's try this. They
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Speaker 1: gave half of the police force body cameras to wear,
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Speaker 1: and then switched and gave the other half I guess
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Speaker 1: the second half of the year, throughout all of two
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Speaker 1: thousand twelve, Yeah, and what they were mainly tracking were
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Speaker 1: two different things. Uh, incidences police force and then civilian
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Speaker 1: complaints against officers. UM, generally after use the police force,
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Speaker 1: but just complaints period. Yeah, basically, and the results are
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Speaker 1: pretty surprising. I think. Yeah, they the officers who wore
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Speaker 1: the cameras used force half as often just generally would
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Speaker 1: use I get well, not less force. That's a little misleading.
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Speaker 1: They would use force less of the of the time. Um.
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Speaker 1: And then the complaints filed, they said they couldn't really Um,
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Speaker 1: there were so few complaints that couldn't really draw a
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Speaker 1: good statistical conclusion. But there was a nine reduction compared
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Speaker 1: with two thousand eleven of complaints. And they found out
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Speaker 1: other stuff too. I looked into the study. UM, and
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Speaker 1: this is just the commentary from the research team. These
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Speaker 1: aren't like facts and figures. But you know, you do
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Speaker 1: a study like this and then they analyze it, then
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Speaker 1: they say, well, this is what I think. Um. They
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Speaker 1: say that their research shows that people tend to adhere
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Speaker 1: to social norms and change your conduct once they're aware
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Speaker 1: that their behavior is being observed. Um. And the body
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Speaker 1: worn cameras can bey a straightforward, pragmatic message. You were
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Speaker 1: being watched a videotape and expected to follow the rules.
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Speaker 1: And apparently this uh, what they call a self awareness
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Speaker 1: effect is a neutral third eye that works on both sides.
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Speaker 1: They said it suspect tend to cool down their aggressive
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Speaker 1: actions more and it deters officers from reacting excessively or
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Speaker 1: unnecessarily with force. So it kind of works both ways.
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Speaker 1: And uh, the final thing I thought was really interesting
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Speaker 1: was had what they called a spillover effect, which was
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Speaker 1: even officers that weren't using the cameras because they did,
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Speaker 1: like you said, with half the force at a time,
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Speaker 1: they had fewer incidences of force used. And they speculate
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Speaker 1: that they just think there's a conscious effort than going
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Speaker 1: on to make uh, to improve their behavior, so that
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Speaker 1: the the officers that had the cameras being watched didn't
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Speaker 1: like have an advantage or a disadvantage, Like they sort
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Speaker 1: of normalize the whole thing, even if they weren't wearing
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Speaker 1: a camera at all. Yeah, I mean it's a speculation,
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Speaker 1: but it sort of makes sense. Well, so this the
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Speaker 1: rialto study is really um often I died because it
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Speaker 1: was the first of its kind in the United States
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Speaker 1: and because the results were so surprising, and then so
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Speaker 1: we also the city immediately was like, Okay, all officers
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Speaker 1: now have body cameras. After the results came in, and
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Speaker 1: it just so happened that this took place. The study
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Speaker 1: took place um right before a couple of very high
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Speaker 1: profile police involved deaths, Eric Garner UM and then Michael Brown.
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Speaker 1: And Michael Brown's death in particular raised the issue of
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Speaker 1: body warren cameras, which is in the general term for
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Speaker 1: the cameras police are wearing UM. Because Darren Wilson, who
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Speaker 1: shot Michael Brown, the police officer who shot him six
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Speaker 1: times UM what gave one account of the story and
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Speaker 1: witnesses gave another account of the story. And so when
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Speaker 1: Michael Brown's death kind of became part of a national conversation,
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Speaker 1: and especially with Eric Garner's death to which immediately proceeded
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Speaker 1: I think like a month before, back in two thousand fourteen, UM.
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Speaker 1: Eric Garner's death was full on video taped by a
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Speaker 1: guy who was standing there recording it on a cell phone,
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Speaker 1: and it got out and it was released to the public,
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Speaker 1: and it started this national conversation about police brutality UM
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Speaker 1: and but it also had this other real aspect to
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Speaker 1: it that this conversation might not be happening were it
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Speaker 1: not for video documentation of these of Eric Garner's death.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that this is happening at a time
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Speaker 1: right after rialto has had this study, people are looking
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Speaker 1: around saying this. There's entire swaths these communities, UM have
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Speaker 1: had this what was called a simmering distrust of the police,
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Speaker 1: and they've had it forever. But now all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: the rest of the nation's paying attention to this very
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Speaker 1: important issue. UM and this, these body cameras work so
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Speaker 1: well for this little town in east of Los Angeles,
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Speaker 1: maybe we should start to institute those. And all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, the Department of Justice starts showing out forty
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Speaker 1: three million dollars in grants for local law enforcement to
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Speaker 1: buy body cameras. And there was this this idea that good,
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Speaker 1: the problem solved. But to a lot of people, and
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Speaker 1: at least impart myself included, it kind of seems like
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Speaker 1: this could just be a bandied Does it actually solve
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Speaker 1: anything or does it actually just underscore the distrust on
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Speaker 1: both sides, Like I don't trust that you're not gonna
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Speaker 1: file a false report about me being brutal on you,
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Speaker 1: so I'm recording you and I have to wear this
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Speaker 1: because the federal government knows that you don't trust me,
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Speaker 1: and I might beat you up extra judiciously. So if
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Speaker 1: if neither side trusts one another and you just have
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Speaker 1: a video camera observing the whole thing, does that actually
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Speaker 1: solve anything or does it just underscore the trust. That's
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Speaker 1: that's probably the biggest question to me that came out
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Speaker 1: of researching this episode. Yeah, I think for me, it's
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Speaker 1: it's not a magic pill by any means, but it's
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Speaker 1: another tool that can help. But but what I think
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Speaker 1: that then the issue to me then is you can't
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Speaker 1: just overly rely on that one tool. I think it
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Speaker 1: kind of has a tendency to lull people into complacency, like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we've got this tool out there now, we don't have
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Speaker 1: to worry about the actual underlying issues. Yeah, and we'll
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Speaker 1: get into I mean, there's a bunch of reasons why
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Speaker 1: it's not a magic pill. We'll get into all those later.
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Speaker 1: But um, as of right now, it was hard to
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Speaker 1: get statistics, but I got one from about a year
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Speaker 1: ago that said forty three of the sixty eight major
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Speaker 1: cities now, have you know that what they call the
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Speaker 1: major police forces in the US now use body cameras. However,
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Speaker 1: U say that they will begin to use them, and
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Speaker 1: are you know, taking steps to do so. Um. But
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Speaker 1: however they here and this is one of the issues
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Speaker 1: of why it's not a magic pill. Um. Only three
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Speaker 1: percent of these and this is a survey, only three
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Speaker 1: percent of the officers reported recording seven plus hours per day.
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Speaker 1: And that's in a in a typical I think, what
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Speaker 1: do they work generally twelve hours at a time? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I might, I understand. So only three percent recording seven
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Speaker 1: of those hours recorded? Uh, less than recorded three or
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Speaker 1: fewer hours per day. UM. So that's one of the
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Speaker 1: big issues is some departments, well, I mean, and it
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Speaker 1: varies from department in locality to locality on what the
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Speaker 1: rules are. Some of them say, all right, well, here's
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Speaker 1: your body camera, but you don't have to use it. Um.
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Speaker 1: Some of them say use it during any um, confrontation
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Speaker 1: with a citizen, any call you have to make. Some say, well,
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Speaker 1: you gotta turn them off when you go into a
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Speaker 1: private residence because, as we'll talk about a little later,
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Speaker 1: the a c l U. You know, it's a privacy
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Speaker 1: issue when you're filming people without their consent. That could
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Speaker 1: potentially be released, but surprisingly a little bit the a
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Speaker 1: c l U eventually kind of said, no, we will.
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Speaker 1: We would rather have the officers where these even though
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Speaker 1: it's a privacy issue for citizens. It's a tricky, tricky thing.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, it is a can of worms like no other. Um.
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Speaker 1: But we I mean, I think everyone knows what these are.
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Speaker 1: We haven't even said yet. These are cameras that police
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Speaker 1: officers wear on their body. Um. The ones I've mostly seen,
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Speaker 1: they were sort of on their chest, yeah, like where
10:40
Speaker 1: there CB used to be. Yeah. Some of them though,
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Speaker 1: are on the shoulder, on the helmet, um or on
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Speaker 1: the collar. But mostly I've seen the one that it
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Speaker 1: kind of actually looks like a little C, B H
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Speaker 1: whatever you call it. Not a CB handle because that's
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Speaker 1: rubber Ducky in the in the truck. What you know,
11:01
Speaker 1: the CB handle is what your name is. And rubber
11:04
Speaker 1: Ducky was from Convoy. I think when was it? I
11:07
Speaker 1: think so the movie or the song the movie, well
11:10
Speaker 1: the songs from them, Oh man, those guys are great.
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Speaker 1: So what the receiver? But you're talking to it the mouthpiece? Okay,
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Speaker 1: I just call it the walkie talkie part. The walkie
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Speaker 1: talkie part anyway, it's generally mounted on the chest and uh,
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Speaker 1: there are many manufacturers that make these now, um, some
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Speaker 1: of them or wire wireless. Some of them have high death,
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Speaker 1: some of them have one touch activation and ultra wide angle.
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Speaker 1: Because that's one of the issues why it's not a
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Speaker 1: magic pill. Like the view that they get if it's
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Speaker 1: not a wide angle, is a chest high view of
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Speaker 1: whatever the officer's body is pointed at, not necessarily what
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Speaker 1: their faces looking at, where their eyes are looking. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's it's okay, but you know it's not. It's not
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Speaker 1: solve for everything in all issues. No, it's not, because
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Speaker 1: we'll get into later. You know, if if something happens
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Speaker 1: off camera that hasn't captured, like a suspect reaching for
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Speaker 1: a gun and but on camera, all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: the cops just standing there and then the next thing
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Speaker 1: you know, he pulls his gun out and shoots the guy,
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Speaker 1: it's like, well that that cop just went berserk because
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Speaker 1: the camera didn't capture that thing. Most of them have
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Speaker 1: a time and date stamp. Some of them have the
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Speaker 1: badge number of the cop. Some of them have GPS coordinates.
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Speaker 1: Some of them take still photos some stream to remote devices.
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Speaker 1: Very few of them can you actually is it like
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Speaker 1: a iPhone where you can as a screen that you
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Speaker 1: can watch it, But some of them can hook up
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Speaker 1: to an app to your phone where you can watch it. Yeah, advanced.
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Speaker 1: I read this article about the one that Taser's putting out.
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Speaker 1: It was largely about that was by It was a
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Speaker 1: Motherboard article by Alex Pasternak, and he um talks about
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Speaker 1: how one of the big concerns is in the addition
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Speaker 1: of facial recognition, like computer facial recognition, because supposedly, I
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Speaker 1: didn't know this, half of Americans have their face in
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Speaker 1: a facial recognition database already. So if you're just somebody
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Speaker 1: walking past one of these cameras and it has facial
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Speaker 1: recognition attached to it, it will say, oh, well there
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Speaker 1: when Josh Clark, he was here on this date at
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Speaker 1: this time and he's wanted for murder, right, Well, that
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Speaker 1: was part of the point. It's like, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: the camera can pick it up and then the database can,
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Speaker 1: let you know, go get that guy he's wanted for murder. Um.
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Speaker 1: But also, if you're as a private citizen, as you're
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Speaker 1: the you're right against unlawful search and seizure being UM
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Speaker 1: violated by that kind of thing, and apparently that is
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Speaker 1: definitely a direction that that UM these cameras are starting
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Speaker 1: to go now, like facial recognition will soon be the
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Speaker 1: next step as they're deployed further and further, it's going
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Speaker 1: to be like a common UM feature on them. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Another feature that uh, most of these cameras have now,
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Speaker 1: and this is a very interesting one because it's kind
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Speaker 1: of played out recently to be significant, is a buffering
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Speaker 1: pre record. So if this cameras on, it's recording, but
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Speaker 1: it records in thirty second or sixty second intervals with
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Speaker 1: no audio most of the time. So what's happening is
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Speaker 1: even if the cop has not pressed record, it's recording
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Speaker 1: and a racing over itself constantly, um if it's turned on.
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Speaker 1: So what happens when the cop hits record is it's
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Speaker 1: gonna have that thirty or sixty seconds tagged onto it
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Speaker 1: and that gets saved, which can be a big asset
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Speaker 1: if the cop. Uh you know a lot of times
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Speaker 1: a cop will see something and turn it on, but
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Speaker 1: they have just missed what's happened, but it'll grab that
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Speaker 1: thirty seconds, which can be a big help, or in
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Speaker 1: the case of Baltimore, it can bust a cop planning evidence. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I saw that too, So that to me was more
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Speaker 1: like interpretation of video. What is your what was your
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Speaker 1: take on it? Well, no, there were two of them.
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Speaker 1: The most recent one was interpretation of video. I think
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Speaker 1: there was one previous to that where it actually caught
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Speaker 1: the cop planning evidence because he didn't know that the
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Speaker 1: thirty second buffer was happening. Oh really, I didn't see
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Speaker 1: that one. Uh. And then that may have been I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure in this case, but sometimes it's uploaded to
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Speaker 1: a cloud and it's there right. The second one I
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Speaker 1: think was what it looks like is that the cops
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Speaker 1: took a made a concerted effort to organize and deploy
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Speaker 1: their cameras at specific times to get away with planning evidence.
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Speaker 1: So that's the speculation. This is all very brand new
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Speaker 1: in the news. But you know, their cops saying like,
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Speaker 1: do you have yours on? You're not supposed to have
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Speaker 1: yours on yet, saying things like that, and of course
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Speaker 1: the a c, L, EU and and the prosecutors are
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Speaker 1: saying this is clearly the cops trying to coordinate this
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Speaker 1: thing with their cameras staging with reality. Yeah, and that's
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Speaker 1: something that is going to start happening more and more.
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Speaker 1: I mean, ideally all all cops are doing really good work, uh,
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Speaker 1: and you don't have to worry about that. But you know,
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Speaker 1: there's been plenty of cases over the years of bad
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Speaker 1: cops doing bad things, and now these body cameras, they're
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Speaker 1: gonna have to find a way to get around it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I want to can I just say something real quick? So,
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Speaker 1: so the the whole issue to me is this, right, Like, um,
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Speaker 1: I think I've probably come off as distrustful of cops
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Speaker 1: sometimes and to me, um, so, as society, we give
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Speaker 1: cops like a tremendous amount of power over us, right,
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Speaker 1: and we give it to them in exchange for them up,
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Speaker 1: you know, upholding the law and protecting us right. Right.
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Speaker 1: But the problem is is if that trust is broken,
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Speaker 1: then that's a huge issue because as you go suddenly
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Speaker 1: from because you can't do anything about it, and you
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Speaker 1: go from being a protected citizen to being a hostage
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Speaker 1: of the state. Right. So that means to me that
17:13
Speaker 1: police have to be like above reproach, that they they
17:17
Speaker 1: have to be as angelic as possible right, and that
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Speaker 1: if they're there, um, if they're that, if they're called
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Speaker 1: into question for something, there shouldn't even be the slightest
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Speaker 1: hint that they're being protected or it's being covered up
17:35
Speaker 1: or anything like that, and government needs to step in
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Speaker 1: and do something about it. And that has not been
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Speaker 1: the case. Government has broken down in its role of
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Speaker 1: overseeing police when the question of trust is brought up,
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Speaker 1: and what you're left with then is a citizenry that
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Speaker 1: it says I don't trust the cops any longer, and
17:56
Speaker 1: just as bad as that, I don't trust the governments
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Speaker 1: to root out back cops. Um when the trust is broken,
18:03
Speaker 1: but the power structure is still there. That doesn't exactly exactly,
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Speaker 1: So we're all hostages now to the cops. That's it's
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Speaker 1: clearer than ever. Now. That's that's my problem. I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying that that is necessarily the case, or that even
18:16
Speaker 1: if it is the case, it's the case across the board.
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Speaker 1: I think there are plenty of plenty and plenty of
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Speaker 1: good cops out there who really do hold themselves to
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Speaker 1: a very high stenator. But the fact is there are
18:25
Speaker 1: bad cops out there too, And I don't believe that
18:27
Speaker 1: bad cops are rooted out and prosecuted like they should be,
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Speaker 1: and that the trust between the citizens and the police
18:38
Speaker 1: has eroded as a result, and the government has totally
18:41
Speaker 1: dropped the ball in in repairing that. Yeah, and especially
18:45
Speaker 1: tough too when like every uh, every bad cop documentary
18:50
Speaker 1: you've ever seen of them, the first thing you hear
18:54
Speaker 1: cops saying as well, the first rule is you gotta
18:56
Speaker 1: cover for your buddy cops. Like, even if you don't
18:58
Speaker 1: agree with them, you don't ride out a cop. And
19:00
Speaker 1: so then you're like, I think cops also subscribe almost
19:05
Speaker 1: across the board to what's right is right though, you
19:08
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and that they do kind of
19:10
Speaker 1: tend to to to go toward that. I like to
19:14
Speaker 1: think that I want to think that. Um, and I
19:17
Speaker 1: hope I'm not being naive and thinking that you wanna
19:19
Speaker 1: take a break. Yeah, all right, let's do it. We'll
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Speaker 1: talk a little more about body cameras. All right, we're
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Speaker 1: back with a little more of the mundane, which is
19:46
Speaker 1: the cost of these things. Uh. They can go up
19:49
Speaker 1: to about nine bucks or as low as the low hundreds. UM,
19:54
Speaker 1: let's such just say an average of four bucks for
19:57
Speaker 1: a system. UM, and if you have a large police
20:00
Speaker 1: force of six cops, that's a lot of dough, Um
20:05
Speaker 1: it is. But Uncle Sam is offsetting a lot of that. Yeah. Sure,
20:08
Speaker 1: And and I think everyone is in favor of these
20:13
Speaker 1: And I think our article points out in a very
20:16
Speaker 1: astute way, like ideally these things can provide clarity, but
20:21
Speaker 1: at the very least it's just another measure in place
20:25
Speaker 1: to help protect citizens and police. Yes, but there's a
20:28
Speaker 1: group who say, no, these are kind of a bad idea.
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Speaker 1: And I find it's suspicious that the government is um
20:36
Speaker 1: supporting this so so wholeheartedly, that it's just um advancing
20:42
Speaker 1: the surveillance state that much more normalizing the idea of
20:45
Speaker 1: people being recorded everywhere they go all the time, even
20:49
Speaker 1: in interacting with other people. Yeah, so I think there
20:52
Speaker 1: are some people who just don't even like the idea
20:54
Speaker 1: of of body war and cameras at all. Well, citizens
20:57
Speaker 1: and cops probably, right, Um, So another big problem or not, Well,
21:03
Speaker 1: I guess it is sort of a problem or challenge
21:05
Speaker 1: at least, is is how to store this information, um,
21:09
Speaker 1: depending on where you are, Like they use Oakland as
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Speaker 1: a as an example in this article. Six hundred cops,
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Speaker 1: six hundred body cameras generates about seven terabytes of video
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Speaker 1: every month and UM Storing the stuff is a big
21:24
Speaker 1: challenge because depending on where you are, you have a
21:27
Speaker 1: lot of rules in place because this is evidence potentially
21:32
Speaker 1: and it's you know, you can't just store it anyway
21:34
Speaker 1: you like in Oakland they have to keep it for
21:36
Speaker 1: two years of anything that's involved in an investigation. It's
21:41
Speaker 1: longer than that. Uh. Duluth Minnesota they point out thirty days. Laurel,
21:46
Speaker 1: Maryland has six six months. Like that's a lot of data.
21:51
Speaker 1: And the security standards are really uh strict, and they
21:56
Speaker 1: gotta figure out how to store this stuff, how to
21:58
Speaker 1: do it safely. And because people that know how to
22:02
Speaker 1: make money are are behind this. There are companies that's
22:06
Speaker 1: very smartly are coming up with complete systems that will
22:10
Speaker 1: offer a police department and say hey, we got you covered.
22:13
Speaker 1: We will take care of your storage, we will comply
22:16
Speaker 1: with all your rules and regulations, will train your people
22:19
Speaker 1: because you gotta hire in house people just to keep
22:21
Speaker 1: track of the data. Uh, and we'll do it all
22:24
Speaker 1: for you, exactly like Taser apparently has one heck of
22:28
Speaker 1: a system where when the when the UM officer puts
22:32
Speaker 1: there embody warrn camera on the dock to charge it
22:36
Speaker 1: simultaneously starts uploading um all of the all of the
22:40
Speaker 1: day's recording, right, So yeah, and it goes to the
22:44
Speaker 1: cloud um and multiple people have access to it. But
22:48
Speaker 1: it's any interaction with the video is logged automatically by
22:54
Speaker 1: the system. If somebody goes to delete it, like only
22:57
Speaker 1: certain people have access to delete file aisles, but again
23:01
Speaker 1: multiple people do, and so if somebody goes to delete it,
23:05
Speaker 1: they they're the other people who have the ability ability
23:09
Speaker 1: to delete it are notified. So it's spreads Yeah, it
23:13
Speaker 1: spreads out accountability. So it's like, well, wait a minute,
23:16
Speaker 1: I'm going down to for letting you delete it. If so,
23:19
Speaker 1: what are you deleting this for kind of thing? Um,
23:22
Speaker 1: it's a pretty smart system. Like from what I read
23:25
Speaker 1: from Pastor Neck in particular his article, it was like
23:28
Speaker 1: Taser's got it going on. But if you if you
23:32
Speaker 1: take the software away from it and the you know,
23:36
Speaker 1: the LED light attached to it and all that stuff,
23:39
Speaker 1: it's really what you have is basically a GoPro camera.
23:42
Speaker 1: It's the it's the highly encrypted and protected software that
23:50
Speaker 1: goes along with it that really makes it like law
23:52
Speaker 1: enforcement specific. Yeah. I think in a lot of these
23:54
Speaker 1: places the d A even has access remotely to this footage,
23:58
Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. The thing that that worries me
24:02
Speaker 1: a little bit is the the situations where the local
24:06
Speaker 1: police department has their own employees who are responsible for
24:11
Speaker 1: keeping and maintaining and storing the video. It should be
24:19
Speaker 1: it should be larger than that. You know, that's too localized. Yeah,
24:23
Speaker 1: I mean this, it's sort of like it makes me
24:26
Speaker 1: think of all the movies I've seen where the the
24:28
Speaker 1: evidence locker is guarded by like a dude, and someone
24:32
Speaker 1: comes down there and they're like, uh, you know her
24:35
Speaker 1: in the movie. It's you know her jacked up my hand, man,
24:38
Speaker 1: I can't sign in today. Just let me in. I
24:40
Speaker 1: gotta look at look at something for my gaze. And
24:43
Speaker 1: then they they're in there, you know, taking a part
24:45
Speaker 1: of gun and putting it in their pants to take out.
24:49
Speaker 1: What movie was that pounds of cocaine? That's every movie? Yeah,
24:52
Speaker 1: that's every movie ever made. And yeah, absolutely that Frog's
24:58
Speaker 1: movie you're talking about that had it in there. Yeah,
25:01
Speaker 1: it was right. Apparently I added a superfluous exclamation point. Yeah,
25:04
Speaker 1: what's it called? Just frogs, not frogs. It's just frogs?
25:09
Speaker 1: Was it? Frogs? Frogs? So um. One of the criticisms
25:14
Speaker 1: I've seen though, is it's like, well, wait a minute,
25:16
Speaker 1: why why don't you trust us? Surely we can police
25:19
Speaker 1: our own video, be trusted to police our own video.
25:22
Speaker 1: It's like, no, the very fact that the video exists
25:25
Speaker 1: means that you aren't trusted. So no, you shouldn't have
25:29
Speaker 1: full jurisdiction over it. Because if this video is meant
25:33
Speaker 1: to if it's meant because we don't trust you the citizens,
25:38
Speaker 1: and we don't trust you the cops, but you, the
25:40
Speaker 1: cops are the ones who are actually in control of
25:43
Speaker 1: this video. That's lopsided. That's not a good solution. It's
25:46
Speaker 1: not a full solution, I should say, right, because they
25:49
Speaker 1: wouldn't turn that over to the citizens. So why don't
25:51
Speaker 1: you keep track of this? No, that's a big issue too,
25:54
Speaker 1: is who gets to see it? Yeah, well, a lot
25:57
Speaker 1: of a lot of cities have have law in the
26:00
Speaker 1: books where if you like a like a TV station
26:04
Speaker 1: can ask for it and they have to give it
26:05
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, through uh, not FOIA, but local state
26:10
Speaker 1: um disclosure lass, which is another big can of worms.
26:15
Speaker 1: It is because you got to give the other side
26:18
Speaker 1: as well too, right, So like if a if a
26:22
Speaker 1: police officer dies in the line of duty and their
26:24
Speaker 1: body cameras recording it, which happened in Arizona, I did.
26:29
Speaker 1: It was his head anxiety the whole time watching it.
26:32
Speaker 1: It was an officer named Tyler Stewart. Yeah, very sad.
26:35
Speaker 1: It was extremely sad to see he was murdered by
26:38
Speaker 1: some guy named Robert Smith who just drew a gun
26:40
Speaker 1: after like three minutes of questioning. Yeah, and I didn't.
26:43
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I didn't see that coming.
26:45
Speaker 1: I didn't either. It was just like everything's normal, normal. Yeah,
26:48
Speaker 1: it looks like super shady. Uh. And then of course
26:51
Speaker 1: you find out afterwards that like he had been kind
26:53
Speaker 1: of plating suicide and he you know, like the reason
26:56
Speaker 1: he was there is because he trashed his girlfriend's apartment
26:59
Speaker 1: and he had a lot of problems going on. But yeah,
27:01
Speaker 1: I mean I was putting myself in the cop shoes,
27:04
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I would have not suspected anything out
27:06
Speaker 1: of this guy. Now, he was disarming, for sure, but
27:10
Speaker 1: the but Tyler officer Stewart recorded his own death at
27:15
Speaker 1: the hands of this guy and the local media was like, well,
27:20
Speaker 1: we want to see it, and apparently Arizona has um
27:23
Speaker 1: foil laws that are um that'd say, okay, well the
27:28
Speaker 1: media gets it. You have to you have to release that,
27:30
Speaker 1: which is apparently pretty rare. But in this case, it's
27:33
Speaker 1: like it doesn't. Doesn't the doesn't the family of the
27:38
Speaker 1: of the officer have any rights to be spared? This
27:41
Speaker 1: being out there on the internet for any anybody who
27:44
Speaker 1: wants to see this guy's death, you know, forever? Yeah,
27:47
Speaker 1: I mean, of course they cut it, but still, you know,
27:51
Speaker 1: like if anyone can look this up on YouTube, that's
27:53
Speaker 1: just three I don't know. It's shameful. So the the
27:56
Speaker 1: issue cuts both ways, especially privacy, like you do you
27:59
Speaker 1: protect the citizen? Since privacy? Do you protect the cops?
28:01
Speaker 1: Privacy do you protect no? What? Do you take the
28:04
Speaker 1: wiki leaks approach and protect nobody's privacy like it happened?
28:09
Speaker 1: Just keep it raw and and and if it's open
28:14
Speaker 1: new interpretation, then settle it in court kind of thing,
28:16
Speaker 1: you know, who knows? All right, you wanna take another break, man,
28:21
Speaker 1: I keep working to send a breakes man. I'm sorry,
28:23
Speaker 1: you know you're doing great. All right, We'll take another
28:25
Speaker 1: break and talk a little bit about how these things
28:28
Speaker 1: work and um, why they're not magic pills. Right after this. Okay, Chuck,
28:52
Speaker 1: we're back. You know, I'll tell you one thing. I
28:54
Speaker 1: looked up Taser's stock. Yeah, if you bought in two
29:00
Speaker 1: ells and I think ten, you're doing pretty good. Yeah,
29:05
Speaker 1: because of their body warn camera program. Yeah, it was
29:08
Speaker 1: like five dollars and before this, I think they just
29:11
Speaker 1: only made like tasers and non lethal weapons. But when
29:15
Speaker 1: they got into the body camera market, their stock went
29:17
Speaker 1: from like five bucks. I think it peaked at like
29:20
Speaker 1: thirty five or forty. Yeah. Not bad, not bad at all.
29:24
Speaker 1: Good for them. Yeah, but and again I can't remember
29:28
Speaker 1: the name of it, but if you read that as
29:29
Speaker 1: Alec pass your nach article, it's it's really sharp system.
29:34
Speaker 1: And I own zero stock and Taser, Like, I'm just
29:37
Speaker 1: a fan. I'm not a fan even if their non
29:40
Speaker 1: lethal weapons, but their their body warrn camera systems is
29:43
Speaker 1: pretty smart. It seems like, Yeah, I mean, I'm a
29:46
Speaker 1: fan of smart things. Sure, if you're going to design
29:48
Speaker 1: a system, it should be full proof and work well
29:51
Speaker 1: and story everything you needed to not break down. It
29:54
Speaker 1: seems like they got it going on Um. So one
29:58
Speaker 1: of the other reasons that uh, like I said earlier,
30:02
Speaker 1: this is it's not a magic pill, because you're only
30:05
Speaker 1: getting this one. It's not. Our article points out very
30:09
Speaker 1: astute lee that it's not an unbiased view. Still, Um,
30:13
Speaker 1: if you had six or eight, like if you were
30:16
Speaker 1: in London, you had six or eight cameras and different
30:18
Speaker 1: angles on different light posts, and you could coordinate this
30:22
Speaker 1: thing and fully see everything that happened, it may be unbiased, truly,
30:27
Speaker 1: but just a single shot from a body camera sing
30:31
Speaker 1: that single angle is not unbiased by any means. And
30:36
Speaker 1: that's about it. Did you see the nurse wobbles arrest
30:39
Speaker 1: m h The Utah nurse who refused to draw the
30:42
Speaker 1: blood of the suspect was unconscious. So if you just
30:46
Speaker 1: watched um, the arresting officers Jeff Paine's body camera, yeah,
30:53
Speaker 1: I mean, like because it's up close and personal, it
30:56
Speaker 1: goes like suddenly just basically goes dark when it's pressed
30:59
Speaker 1: up against her act and it shows like very little
31:03
Speaker 1: of anything. It was because of the other officer that
31:06
Speaker 1: was with him his body camera. Um, that you get like,
31:10
Speaker 1: oh wow, that really was a lot of force, unnecessary
31:15
Speaker 1: force that this guy was using on this lady that
31:18
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have gotten just from the footage from his
31:21
Speaker 1: body camera, and that having supporting video evidence definitely expands
31:27
Speaker 1: the the context one way or the other. It's interesting, though,
31:31
Speaker 1: we're getting to a point where you're gonna have, um,
31:34
Speaker 1: I say, a crime on a on a officer stop
31:38
Speaker 1: of a car with a car camera, dashboard camera, let's
31:42
Speaker 1: say two officers, body cameras, the people inside the car
31:46
Speaker 1: filming with their iPhones, let's say two, So you've got
31:50
Speaker 1: five different points of view going on that people courts
31:55
Speaker 1: and juries are gonna have to sift through. D a's
31:58
Speaker 1: defendants are gonna have to look at all this stuff
32:01
Speaker 1: and try and piece together what happened. And this is
32:04
Speaker 1: all new like previously you did this from testimony only
32:08
Speaker 1: exactly So, like, are we opening ourselves up to a
32:11
Speaker 1: time when d A s are are less willing to
32:16
Speaker 1: bring up charges unless there is footage? You know? Yeah,
32:19
Speaker 1: I wonder, but I mean it doesn't sound like there's
32:22
Speaker 1: going to be much a lack of it. There's a
32:24
Speaker 1: company called um Wolf Com who makes body warrant cameras
32:28
Speaker 1: for police, is also releasing one for civilians. It's basically
32:32
Speaker 1: the same thing without their police software that like just
32:36
Speaker 1: somebody just wears it all times. Yeah, basically to film
32:39
Speaker 1: the police while the police are filming them. And they
32:41
Speaker 1: say it's perfect for protests, improving legality, and there's like, um,
32:46
Speaker 1: there's like a button, the power button or stop or
32:49
Speaker 1: the record button has to be pressed a certain way,
32:52
Speaker 1: so even if like somebody bumping into your beating you up,
32:55
Speaker 1: your camera won't stop recording. It's like, good lord, Like
32:59
Speaker 1: the act that this is the climate that that's like
33:03
Speaker 1: a selling point is really unsettling and sad, you know.
33:09
Speaker 1: It is like, hey, everybody, come get your body warn
33:12
Speaker 1: cameras because you need to film the people who are
33:14
Speaker 1: filming you, because you can't trust the even this measure
33:18
Speaker 1: that's being used to supposedly protect your rights. It's crazy
33:21
Speaker 1: that it's crazy that we're in the state in this country.
33:27
Speaker 1: That raised another point to me to chuck the idea
33:29
Speaker 1: of having all these different points of view or video documentation.
33:34
Speaker 1: This is also coming at a time when we are
33:38
Speaker 1: starting to see editing software where you can kick video
33:41
Speaker 1: and make it do anything. You can make it say anything,
33:45
Speaker 1: you can make it, you can do anything with video.
33:48
Speaker 1: The moon landing. How is that going to affect you know,
33:52
Speaker 1: the use of video and in documentation for court cases
33:56
Speaker 1: too well, and we've already seen just with Baltimore, you know,
33:59
Speaker 1: what can happen and cops now have to wear these
34:01
Speaker 1: and where they're trying to coordinate who's got who's camera on?
34:04
Speaker 1: Did you have your camera on? What about that thirty
34:06
Speaker 1: second buffer? Um? Geez. It's all just sad that we're
34:11
Speaker 1: at that state now to where but you know, it's
34:15
Speaker 1: also a good thing that, like, for how many years
34:18
Speaker 1: were bad things happening without any uh citizen? Uh? I
34:26
Speaker 1: mean there was no recourse, you know, for so long
34:28
Speaker 1: and there still isn't to a large degree. This is
34:30
Speaker 1: just a little small thing. No, it's true, But I
34:32
Speaker 1: mean that has to be a certain level of at
34:36
Speaker 1: least gratification among people who have lived with distrust of
34:41
Speaker 1: the police or have been abused as a whole by police,
34:47
Speaker 1: um for decades that people are now finally starting to
34:51
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, this is crazy. You how long
34:53
Speaker 1: has this been going on? You know, because there's a
34:56
Speaker 1: light being shined on it, um. And so in that sense, yes,
35:00
Speaker 1: it's crazy that we're at this state right now. In
35:03
Speaker 1: our our country, but you know, maybe it's just a
35:08
Speaker 1: growing pain towards moving to a better place. Yeah, you
35:12
Speaker 1: know that rialto study too. And their summation, they also
35:14
Speaker 1: said something about, um, I can't remember exactly only put it,
35:18
Speaker 1: but something about how they found that it They think
35:21
Speaker 1: that it also requires police to take to take more
35:25
Speaker 1: verbal abuse from people, um, which you know isn't fun,
35:31
Speaker 1: but sort of like the days are over where if
35:34
Speaker 1: you're smart off to a cop, they can't just throw
35:37
Speaker 1: your face on the ground and put their knees through
35:40
Speaker 1: your cheekbone because you've smarted off to them. Um, So
35:44
Speaker 1: they did. I don't think they weighed in either way
35:46
Speaker 1: on what that means. They just said, what, you know,
35:48
Speaker 1: it looks like cops are going to have to start
35:50
Speaker 1: enduring a little more talk back from the drunk guy
35:53
Speaker 1: at the bar without diving right into excessive force because
35:57
Speaker 1: they were piste off. Now drunk kind of bar, notwithstandard
36:01
Speaker 1: What are the big things that that these body cameras
36:05
Speaker 1: are touted for, and I think you said it early on, um,
36:08
Speaker 1: is that people behave differently when they know they're being recorded,
36:12
Speaker 1: so that officers won't have to take verbal lashings from
36:15
Speaker 1: people as often, and so that might that that the
36:20
Speaker 1: very presence of the cameras supposedly um can keep situations
36:25
Speaker 1: from escalating, or it can actually de escalate a situation.
36:29
Speaker 1: Just if if the officers like need you to know
36:31
Speaker 1: you're being recorded right now, people supposedly straighten up. I
36:36
Speaker 1: don't know if they have to or not. Well, we're
36:39
Speaker 1: in such the early nascent days of this, it's um. Yeah,
36:42
Speaker 1: this is sort of an early podcast to see what
36:45
Speaker 1: ramifications are gonna happen later on, you know who knows. Yeah,
36:48
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I saw was that
36:50
Speaker 1: this is a situation. This is a technology that's gotten
36:53
Speaker 1: a lot of press, but it's still very early on
36:59
Speaker 1: in actual academic study of it, supposedly, and including the
37:03
Speaker 1: rialto study. Most studies are not published in journals and
37:07
Speaker 1: aren't peer reviewed. They're just you know, studies largely carried
37:12
Speaker 1: out by like criminologists or scientists, but also by the
37:16
Speaker 1: local police departments carrying the studies out on their own department.
37:20
Speaker 1: Right There's supposedly only been two peer reviewed journal studies
37:26
Speaker 1: published on body warrant cameras so far, UM, and one
37:29
Speaker 1: of them was on the effect of giving an officer
37:34
Speaker 1: leeway on wind to press record. How how does that
37:37
Speaker 1: impact things like, um, the use of violence and this
37:42
Speaker 1: This two thousand and sixteen study in the Journal of
37:44
Speaker 1: Experimental Criminology found that, compared to the control group, UM,
37:49
Speaker 1: if the officer had very little leeway and deciding wing
37:52
Speaker 1: to record, meaning they had to record all the time,
37:55
Speaker 1: UM that physical the use of physical violence decreased by
38:00
Speaker 1: thirty seven. But in situations where officers had a lot
38:05
Speaker 1: of leeway in deciding when to press record or not,
38:08
Speaker 1: UM it was higher than the control group. Yeah, that
38:13
Speaker 1: this whole win. Is it recording and when is it not?
38:16
Speaker 1: Is the seems like the biggest sticking point right now?
38:19
Speaker 1: And are we going to move to a future where
38:21
Speaker 1: they are absolutely required to record any interaction with a
38:25
Speaker 1: citizen or they get suspended or something like who knows
38:30
Speaker 1: what we're headed towards. Yeah, Like it's a big deal
38:32
Speaker 1: if they're not recording, not like a you know, you
38:36
Speaker 1: gotta you're supposed to be recording kind of thing. I mean,
38:38
Speaker 1: I guess it from a good cops point of view,
38:42
Speaker 1: they should say, like, man, I want to record this
38:44
Speaker 1: thing because this is what's gonna exonerate me in this
38:46
Speaker 1: atmosphere we have today. Yeah, but I think it right.
38:49
Speaker 1: I think cops are also scared that that that footage
38:53
Speaker 1: that it could also be in like footage can be
38:56
Speaker 1: used against them, even if it doesn't show anything. Yeah,
38:59
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think Yeah, I think
39:02
Speaker 1: it's a it's a man, it's just so fraught as
39:06
Speaker 1: a technology to be to be used like this, you know.
39:10
Speaker 1: And again the fact that we're using it says, hey,
39:13
Speaker 1: you guys don't trust you guys, So we're gonna keep
39:16
Speaker 1: these cameras here so everybody be cool. Like that solves anything.
39:22
Speaker 1: I wonder when cars are gonna come equipped with built
39:25
Speaker 1: in cameras that, you know, record all around the car.
39:30
Speaker 1: Let's say, I mean the camera's already there with you
39:32
Speaker 1: know a lot of these uh safety features. All that's
39:36
Speaker 1: lacking as a record button. Well, the cops have those
39:39
Speaker 1: for um, running license plates while they're driving down the street.
39:43
Speaker 1: Their cameras are are just looking at license plates over
39:46
Speaker 1: the cars they're driving past to to run them. And
39:49
Speaker 1: there was one other thing I saw in that um
39:52
Speaker 1: fast Co Motherboard pastor Knack article. Um he just kind
39:56
Speaker 1: of casually made mention that department stores, how spittles airports,
40:01
Speaker 1: they're already using video facial recognition systems. So if you
40:06
Speaker 1: walk into like Macy's or something, I don't know this specifically,
40:10
Speaker 1: but I'm just picking on Macy's that when you're on camera,
40:13
Speaker 1: your face is being run against the database to see
40:16
Speaker 1: if you're somebody that they should be worried about, or
40:18
Speaker 1: maybe even call the cops about to say that somebody
40:21
Speaker 1: that likes neckties. And they may have that too. It
40:25
Speaker 1: depends on whether they got their software from Taser or
40:28
Speaker 1: from Marcus. Yeah, I did not know that, and that
40:33
Speaker 1: that just takes profiling to a higher level. Huh. Yeah, well,
40:37
Speaker 1: or maybe not if they're getting good information. I mean,
40:43
Speaker 1: that's not profiling, is it. It's ultra tailored profiling. If
40:46
Speaker 1: someone walks in and they're like, well, this guy committed
40:49
Speaker 1: three acts of of shoplifting in the past year, they
40:53
Speaker 1: might want to watch him. Is that profiling? No, because
40:56
Speaker 1: it's specific to you, not say your race or something
40:59
Speaker 1: like so, yeah, it's it's difficult to argue that that
41:03
Speaker 1: at that point of it. It's more just like the
41:05
Speaker 1: man you know that being surveiled everywhere. So this is
41:11
Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah, you got anything else. No, I'm
41:15
Speaker 1: interested to see where this goes. Plenty of follow up
41:17
Speaker 1: stories over the years. I'm sure ye will happen. Yes,
41:20
Speaker 1: I'm sure as well. Um, if you want to know
41:24
Speaker 1: more about body Warren cameras, police cameras, just look up
41:27
Speaker 1: police body cameras. They'll bring up this really good article
41:30
Speaker 1: by Julia Layton on how stuff works. Since I said
41:33
Speaker 1: that it's time for listener mail, I'm gonna call this, well,
41:39
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it a very cute email from a
41:41
Speaker 1: little kid. Maybe I shouldn't read that one on this one, right,
41:46
Speaker 1: He's got a slog through this and be like, this
41:48
Speaker 1: is the future I have ahead of me? All right?
41:50
Speaker 1: So this was from Noah. He is five years old
41:53
Speaker 1: and is Scottish. Um and his mom sort of supplemented
41:58
Speaker 1: the email with some little thing here and there, and
42:00
Speaker 1: then at the end she said, you know, he really
42:03
Speaker 1: I wanted to write into you guys personally, so I
42:05
Speaker 1: let him use my email account and otherwise it is
42:08
Speaker 1: just his words. And then a PS from mom, Dear
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