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Katie Turner · Postcards to the Universe

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Capria. Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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  Speaker 1: all you had to do was get a little creative
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  Speaker 1: imagine into your life. Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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  Speaker 1: we will share manifesting tips, postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity.
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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Melissa Caprill.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, and welcome to Postcards to the Universe with
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  Speaker 2: Melissa creating the life you crave. How are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 2: I hope everybody is doing well. I cannot believe we
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  Speaker 2: are already in March, like the last two months have
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  Speaker 2: been a whirlwind and from what I understand watching you
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  Speaker 2: know energy people who work with energies and astrologies, astrologers,
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  Speaker 2: March is going to be a explosive month. So hold
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  Speaker 2: on to your hats, get grounded, get centered. You know
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  Speaker 2: it's okay, We're all going to be okay. Just take
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  Speaker 2: deep breasts. I have found for me, my daily meditating
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  Speaker 2: every morning has helped me so much and staying grounded,
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  Speaker 2: connecting with my higher self, not going down the rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the lot of stuff is coming at us
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  Speaker 2: at once. So my advice to everybody is find something
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  Speaker 2: that you love to do, and do more of it.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: If it's cooking, it's baking, it's creating art, it's painting, photography,
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  Speaker 2: listening to music, dancing, being with friends, being with family,
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  Speaker 2: being with your animals, nature, whatever it is that brings
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  Speaker 2: you joy, bring more of that into your life.
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  Speaker 3: We need that.
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  Speaker 4: Right now.
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  Speaker 2: I have a super super interesting guests today, Katie Turner,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about her book. I love
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  Speaker 2: the title, it's fuck Toxic Spirituality, Avoiding red Flags and
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  Speaker 2: navigating the spiritual Path with integrity. And I'm really interested
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  Speaker 2: to talk to Katie because I have found since I've
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  Speaker 2: gotten into doing spiritual work that a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: have this toxic like, you know, you're never allowed to
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  Speaker 2: be in a bad mood, you're not allowed to be angry.
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  Speaker 2: You can't you know, have these feelings because we have
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  Speaker 2: to vibrate at a higher level. And I don't buy
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  Speaker 2: into that. I think we need to process our feelings
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  Speaker 2: and our emotions. So I'm super interested to talk to her,
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  Speaker 2: and she's going to join me here in just a minute.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say thank you to my regulars. You
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  Speaker 2: listen to me every week.
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  Speaker 3: I love you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. If you're new to my show, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: is on my show, what we're going to be talking about.
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  Speaker 2: those who are new. I'm an artist, I'm a photographer,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm an author. And my book's titled Postcards to
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  Speaker 2: the Universe, Harness the Universe's power and manifest your dreams.
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  Speaker 2: And the book is all about manifesting. And what I
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  Speaker 2: did is my little spin on manifesting, is having people
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  Speaker 2: create what I call a manifesting postcard, kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a vision board. I photograph the card. I photograph it
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  Speaker 2: very intentionally. When someone sends me their manifesting postcard, and
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  Speaker 2: when that shows up in their reality. I share the
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  Speaker 2: stories their story and of course with their permission. And
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  Speaker 2: in the book there is thirty of the and it's
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  Speaker 2: broken down in our major life themes, you know, career, money, health.
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  Speaker 3: Relationships, that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of worksheets in there for you to
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  Speaker 2: kind of get clear on what it is you want
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  Speaker 2: to bring into your life. I have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: fun manifesting games and tips and stuff, so you can
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  Speaker 2: check that out. And of course you can find my
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  Speaker 2: book on Barnes and Noble, Amazon, and if you have
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  Speaker 2: an independent bookstore, you can always ask them to get
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  Speaker 2: you the book and they.
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  Speaker 3: Will do that.
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  Speaker 2: I do ask people to send me a manifesting postcard.
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  Speaker 2: They're super fun to make, and right now would be
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  Speaker 2: a great time to create a manifesting postcard and what
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  Speaker 2: you want your world to look like moving forward. So
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  Speaker 2: if you need help with that, reach out to me
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  Speaker 2: or go to postcards universe dot com. I tell you
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  Speaker 2: how to create one, how to set the space and
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  Speaker 2: they address to send it, and just shoot me an
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  Speaker 2: email if you send me one. Because I like to
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  Speaker 2: know their comm because I'm on the lookout for them
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  Speaker 2: and I love getting them and for everybody who has
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  Speaker 2: sent them to me.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to my guest, Katie Turner. She's
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  Speaker 2: a registered psychologist, a speaker, and the founder of Katie
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  Speaker 2: Turner Psychology Incorporated. And of course she's the author of
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  Speaker 2: Toxic Spirituality, Avoid Red Flags and Navigating the Spiritual Path
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  Speaker 2: with Integrity.
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  Speaker 3: Through her book, we discover how.
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  Speaker 2: To identify and navigate the signs of spiritual awakening, connect
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  Speaker 2: with and increase our intuition, break free from the chains
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  Speaker 2: of toxic positivity and ego driven desires, uncover red flags
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  Speaker 2: and spiritual healers and teachers, and find trustworthy guidance. Cultivate
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  Speaker 2: healthy boundaries, and empower yourself on your spiritual journey. Katie
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  Speaker 2: believes in a holistic approach to healing. She's studied a
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  Speaker 2: wide range of Western psychological approaches and Eastern healing techniques.
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  Speaker 2: She is passionate about helping her clients to heal the past,
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  Speaker 2: find more peace in the present, and to create their
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  Speaker 2: best possible future. Her mission is to bring together the
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  Speaker 2: science of psychology to the practice of spirituality. I love
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  Speaker 2: that she offers consultation services, sessions, workshops, and resources for
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  Speaker 2: organizations and modern.
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  Speaker 3: Day spiritual seekers.
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  Speaker 2: And if you like, you can take a free quiz
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  Speaker 2: that she has to discover your dominant intuitive superpower. And
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  Speaker 2: to find out where to do that, go to her
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  Speaker 2: website Katie Turner psychology dot com. That's Katie ka t
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  Speaker 2: I E. Turner t U R n e Er psychology
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  Speaker 2: dot com. Welcome Katie, thank you for being here.
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  Speaker 4: With me today. Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited to talk with you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited to talk to you too.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So how did the book come about? How did
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  Speaker 2: you get the idea? You're a psychologist first? Right, psychologist?
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  Speaker 2: I always get those conviewsed, not psychiatrists, psychiatrists, you have
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  Speaker 2: to go to.
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  Speaker 4: Medical psychiatrists and medical doctors. But okay, medical doctor, okay, yes, okay, subscribe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeh right, you can't prescribe, right, So you went, so
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  Speaker 2: you have your psychology, you're a psychologist, and then this
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  Speaker 2: book sparked in your consciousness.
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  Speaker 3: How how did that happen?
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  Speaker 4: I mean it was it's been a of two decade journey.
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  Speaker 4: I mean my background a bit is more scientific. First,
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  Speaker 4: was not really rageous religious or spiritual would have considered
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  Speaker 4: myself very like skeptical vertical spiritual practices and intuition. Thought
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  Speaker 4: it was kind of like to woo woo and maybe
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  Speaker 4: a paceible effect at best, which is still a powerful effect,
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  Speaker 4: but I didn't think there's much to it beyond that.
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  Speaker 4: And then after being in the field in psychology already
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  Speaker 4: post grad school, I was starting to get disillusioned with
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  Speaker 4: kind of just conscious mind approaches alone and feeling like
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  Speaker 4: is this all there is? Started to have experiences with
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  Speaker 4: my own intuition starting to open up, and then I
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  Speaker 4: ended up I ended up going getting a one way
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  Speaker 4: ticket to India and spent about nine months in India Nepal,
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  Speaker 4: and that's where my own spiritual awakening started happening. So
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  Speaker 4: in hindsight, I know now that I was actually engaging
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  Speaker 4: in practices that will help open that, but I didn't
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  Speaker 4: believe in that at the time, so I didn't realize
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  Speaker 4: what like that wasn't the conscious mind intention. But then
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  Speaker 4: when my own awakening started to happen and connecting more
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  Speaker 4: with my own intuition, I'd start to have other experiences
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  Speaker 4: that really opened changed my sense of kind of day
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  Speaker 4: to day reality and Western psychology isn't doesn't have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of places to put intuitive experiences, so it can
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  Speaker 4: often get mislabeled, can be concerns of is this psychosis
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  Speaker 4: or a mental health crisis, and so having experience in
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  Speaker 4: both worlds, it was quite a journey to find trainings
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  Speaker 4: to get more experience of my own intuition get more
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  Speaker 4: confident in that ability. So there was a numbers of
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  Speaker 4: years that I was in the spiritual closet more professionally,
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  Speaker 4: but kind of through navigating that journey myself and then
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  Speaker 4: specializing more in trensed personal psychology, spiritual awakenings as well
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  Speaker 4: as the psychology like the trauma therapy, the deeper processing
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  Speaker 4: like limiting belief work. I see, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: camps in one side or the other of like just
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  Speaker 4: the psychology or just the spirituality, and there can be
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  Speaker 4: a lot of problems, yeah, or misunderstanding.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Though interestingly enough, I am coming across more people like
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  Speaker 2: the work that you're doing that are marrying both sides,
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  Speaker 2: which I love because there's that side of me that
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  Speaker 2: very logical thinking, practical scientific where's the evidence, how can
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  Speaker 2: it be measured? You know, kind of thinking, and then
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  Speaker 2: there's the other side of me that says, well, I've
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  Speaker 2: had signs, I've had hits, I've connected with my highersoft
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  Speaker 2: You can't tell me I haven't had these experiences, because
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  Speaker 2: I know that I have, and I'm meeting more people
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  Speaker 2: that like you, that do that kind of work and
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  Speaker 2: are starting to be able to measure, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: spirituality side of it, intangible evidence about energy and.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff, which is fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: So that just tells me that we're ready to take
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  Speaker 2: the next level, We're ready to go for there, and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually pretty spiritual awakening experiences are a lot
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  Speaker 4: more common than people realize. Yeah, and I think there
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  Speaker 4: are a lot of professionals who are doing that work
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  Speaker 4: behind the scenes. The book was really inspired of it
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  Speaker 4: was kind of my own guidance and feeling of really
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  Speaker 4: making this kind of knowledge more publicly available because a
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  Speaker 4: lot of there are professionals to do it, it's often
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  Speaker 4: hard to find them or you need to know where
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  Speaker 4: to look or have guidance to find them. And the
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  Speaker 4: book kind of came together because the experiences I had
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  Speaker 4: personally as well as just working with hundreds, if not
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  Speaker 4: thousands of clients at this point in navigating these areas
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  Speaker 4: I just kept saying over and over again to people.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, well, how would you know, Like there's no guidebook,
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  Speaker 4: there's no way to know what you're looking for when
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  Speaker 4: you start. If you google spiritual awakening symptoms like connecting
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  Speaker 4: with your guides, like the stuff that will pop up,
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  Speaker 4: you get a wild West. It's Morgus board of yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right, well it's like very regulated and right, right, So.
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  Speaker 3: What would somebody?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's different obviously, but like, what are some
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  Speaker 2: signs of a spiritual awakening or it?
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  Speaker 3: Are there?
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  Speaker 2: Like like I don't even know if there are, Like okay,
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  Speaker 2: so what are for people listening?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think the definition just for like the spiritual
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  Speaker 4: awakening part of it. It's I love how the way
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  Speaker 4: you describe it, where you say, I can't you can't
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  Speaker 4: tell me I haven't had these experiences. The awakening experience
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  Speaker 4: is really more of it's an experience, it's a knowing,
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  Speaker 4: it's a I have felt this, sensed it, things have happened.
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  Speaker 4: Because I'm a former skeptic as well, I've gone through
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  Speaker 4: the like rational mind, is there something else? Is there?
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  Speaker 4: Life after death? Is there a higher source? Like here's
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  Speaker 4: the philosophy courses. Here's the logical arguments, here's the pieces,
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  Speaker 4: But that's all of cognitive exercise. The spiritual awakening piece
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  Speaker 4: is a real experience of connecting with something bigger than
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  Speaker 4: yourself and knowing there's more and that can that can
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  Speaker 4: look very different for different people. There's different ways that
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  Speaker 4: can happen. Not everyone's pathways the same and so, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it is that sense of like this bigger connection with
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  Speaker 4: the universe, God, source, this quantum field and just communication
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  Speaker 4: receiving communication back from that.
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  Speaker 2: So what was your experience, Like, what are some of
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  Speaker 2: the things that happened to you personally that made you
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  Speaker 2: say there's something more here than just this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: stuff I learned in schools and by other teachers of
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  Speaker 2: how to measure you know, maybe mental illness or people
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  Speaker 2: having whatever they're having in their life.
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  Speaker 3: Like, what did you have a connection?
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  Speaker 2: Did you have like an actual spiritual experience with like
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  Speaker 2: something higher than yourself that you went, WHOA, what the
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  Speaker 2: heck is this?
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  Speaker 4: I mean there's different pathways. Some people have a dramatic,
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  Speaker 4: like sudden awakening. Some people have always had that connection.
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  Speaker 4: I think I've always had intuitive ability. I just didn't
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  Speaker 4: realize what it was for a long time. And because
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  Speaker 4: I'm more like with the quiz part, I'm more dominant
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  Speaker 4: empathic first, so I was more feeling energy in my
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  Speaker 4: own body, whether it's physical sensations or physical pain or emotions.
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  Speaker 4: But I didn't know that was happening until my mid
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  Speaker 4: twenties and then, and so I always thought it was
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  Speaker 4: just mine. And that's a place where the Western psychology
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  Speaker 4: that treats us as these individuals completely separate from everything
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  Speaker 4: else can really miss that. And so for me, it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't a one time thing. It was really a series
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  Speaker 4: of openings over time. For most people, the research around
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  Speaker 4: spiritual awakenings is most people it is kind of gradual
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  Speaker 4: over time, and so this is over kind of decades.
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  Speaker 4: But it started off the way before I even believed
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  Speaker 4: in intuition, And fully, I think like most people, I
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  Speaker 4: had experiences of really getting a lot of like I
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  Speaker 4: don't trust this person, something's wrong, but talking myself through it,
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  Speaker 4: like overriding it, and then then crap hit the fan,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, oh no, this was right the whole time,
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  Speaker 4: Like this wasn't anxiety, I wasn't being paranoid, Like there
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  Speaker 4: was a lot going on under the surface that I
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  Speaker 4: didn't consciously know about, but this part of me knew.
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  Speaker 4: So I think a lot of us in Western culture,
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  Speaker 4: where we're not taught to trust it, we often learn
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  Speaker 4: by overriding it, like overriding that gut feeling, talking ourselves
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  Speaker 4: out of it, and then regretting it later.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So I was just like seed planting of like there's
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  Speaker 5: something something here, like something to this, I'm curious about this,
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  Speaker 5: and then I think I read a book on intuition
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  Speaker 5: that then I ended up like going to India to
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  Speaker 5: explore more around meditation, and it was really being more
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  Speaker 5: involved in like meditation, yoga, breathwork, having this space to
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  Speaker 5: be out of rational mind.
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  Speaker 4: That's where more of it, like that sensitivity to energy
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  Speaker 4: started opening up, and that like different feelings in my body.
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  Speaker 4: It was more aware and more connected with my body,
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  Speaker 4: like less in my head. And so the series of
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  Speaker 4: experiences has changed over time. But I mean it's I
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  Speaker 4: use it kind of in my clinical work now where
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  Speaker 4: it's not just rational mind pieces. I can use that
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  Speaker 4: to help people access like is this inner child is
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  Speaker 4: an ancestral field? Like is it? Sometimes there's like mediumship abilities.
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  Speaker 4: There's intuitive like I've had, I have lots of experiences
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  Speaker 4: that wouldn't fit easily right into like a traditional psychology.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I love that, and I think that's where we're going.
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  Speaker 2: Whether we like it or not. The universe is in
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  Speaker 2: this direction, right. So I want to talk about because
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  Speaker 2: you talk about the red flags in the spiritual healers
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  Speaker 2: and teachers, and I would say I've always been intuitive,
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  Speaker 2: but I always kind of separated my intuitiveness and my
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  Speaker 2: connection to the otherworldly as a kid as my imagination.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think it wasn't until my thirties that
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  Speaker 2: I started to realize it wasn't in my imagination. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't creating it, it was actually experience as I was having.
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  Speaker 2: But I have since I've been doing this kind of
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  Speaker 2: deeper work, I've come across many spiritual healers and teachers
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  Speaker 2: where I get blaring red flags right in this toxic positivity.
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  Speaker 3: So I want to talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: So what can you share with us that you mean
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  Speaker 2: about toxic positivity and what are some of the red
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  Speaker 2: flags when we're searching and we need guidance that we
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  Speaker 2: should look out for.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, in the book I talk about writ it
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  Speaker 4: down into kind of different sections in different areas where
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  Speaker 4: there's kind of common misconceptions or problems. I think when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to partitioner wise, I do think there's a
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  Speaker 4: spectrum out there of you know, people are doing the
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  Speaker 4: best they can with where they're at, but there can
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  Speaker 4: be limitations of like when you don't know the limits
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  Speaker 4: of your knowledge, you can end up doing harm and
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  Speaker 4: there can be I mean mistakes I made in it,
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  Speaker 4: or that I see clients make. Is because when you're
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  Speaker 4: going through these intuitive experiences, sometimes people are worried about
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  Speaker 4: who do I talk to about this? Like can I
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  Speaker 4: talk to a mental health professional or are they going
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  Speaker 4: to think I'm quote unquote crazy? Can they even help
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  Speaker 4: me navigate this? But high spiritual abilities or high intuitive
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  Speaker 4: abilities do not mean integrity. So sometimes there's a piece
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  Speaker 4: of like how self aware is someone, what kind of
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  Speaker 4: shadow work are they doing? How involved is their ego
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  Speaker 4: in this is are they exploiting a power imbalance in
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  Speaker 4: the relationship, whether intentionally or unintentionally? And also knowing I
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  Speaker 4: think it's also helpful for everyone to just know spiritual
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  Speaker 4: or not of like there are dangerous and manipulative personality
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  Speaker 4: types in the world and spaces are not immune to those, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we've seen a couple examples in a
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  Speaker 2: big way. I can't remember the names, but I think
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  Speaker 2: there were a couple big spiritual leaders that reason yes,
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  Speaker 2: that were found out because they were so ego driven
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  Speaker 2: and predatory truthfully, you know so and people are so vulnerable.
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  Speaker 2: People are so vulnerable when they're seeking that, especially when
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  Speaker 2: they're seeking that kind of guidance, that it's easy to
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  Speaker 2: take an advantage of, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Binders on It's like, oh, they are spiritual communities. Is
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: they're spiritual people. They have all these abilities, so they're
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: more evolved, and it's like, not necessarily you could have
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: really high intuitive gifts and these other pieces and still
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: be a very dangerous yeah, not or not healed enough
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: person to be working with.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true because I'm I started you know, learning
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: about the law attraction, right manifesting and all that stuff,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and I found many people were like, well, you can't
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: even have a negative thought, like you can't you know
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: if you want to attract this lot And I started
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: calling bs on that. I'm like, no, you don't want
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: to move there, you don't want to live there. You
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: don't want to make that your home, but you have
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: to process certain certain feelings, emotions, and experiences that happen
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: to you. And it turned me off to a lot
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of people that I initially would, you know, look to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and follow. When I started seeing some of the things
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: they were saying, I'm like, I don't believe you. I
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: don't think you're being authentic, you know, And so no,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: for sure, Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: And I think there's a piece of like we're even
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: if we're spiritual beings and we have those experiences and
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: I do. I live in both worlds, but we are
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: in a human nervous system at this time and place
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: in the planet, Thank you, we are also we need
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: to work with both. And it's not about bypassing our humanity.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, let's talk about that more.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Because you talk about spiritual beings being in a human
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: nervous system, Let's like, like, what does that mean like
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: for us?
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot of layers to that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: But when we get into the toxic positivity, like I
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: talk about that in the book too, because I see
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: that a law where it's like, oh, don't have a
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: negative thought or you manifested this and right, there's a
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: piece of like okay, even if it's not uncommon, I've
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: had those messages come through. I've had clients. How does
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: that come through spontaneously? Where like on a soul level,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: they might get this message of I signed up for this,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: like this is part of what I can experience, even
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: some like terrible things, but on a human level, it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: like this still isn't okay, Like this isn't okay, Like
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: horrific things that are happening on the planet are not okay.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: It's not about just being like, oh well, your thoughts
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: you manifested this ore. I think our individual and collective
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: evolution are tied. Like it's not about just ignoring this
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: or they created their reality. It's awakening too, like we're
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: all part of this collective and how do we do
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: better as a whole. How do we channel and use
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: our gift, like be the change we want to be
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: in the world, but not just turn a blind eye
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: to actual suffering. It's sometimes there's like accountability, there's social
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: change that needs to happen.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. I agree with you one hundred percent because
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I subscribe to that thought process that we choose a
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: lot of the experiences. Maybe that our sole evolution wants
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to learn. But that doesn't mean that if I go
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: through a trauma, that's okay. Or I see somebody go
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: through a trauma, I turn my face in my head
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and say, not my problem.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Because it is my situation.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Also, if we're all connected, whatever you're experiencing on some level,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I'm experiencing right, because that's we're all connected. So I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: do think we're here collectively to learn from each other
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: and grow together. But we do, right, We do have
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: to learn ways to be empathetic, help each other to
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: evolve and leaving, you.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Know, saying the others.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Anytime somebody is an other, you're an other, then that's
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: okay for whatever happens to you, not realizing it's affecting
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: me too. So how do we kind of I don't
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know what my question is, like, how do
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: we understand that in a in a in a bigger
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: way kind of if you know what I'm saying.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I think we have to have I think it's how
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: do we hold a bigger space for like the duality
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: of the experience too, of like the spiritual and the physical,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: the mind, the back and the spirits, like these are
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: all part of it, and it's not less spiritual to
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: like we're still in a human body and nervous system.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Understanding like the evolutionary history, the role of the subconscious,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: like how trauma is stored in our body, the like
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: mental health aspects, or we all like there are basic
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: human emotions that are across the world and across culture
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: than universally recognized. It is not less spiritual to feel
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: anger or selfadness, like it is part of what we're
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: here to move through. And I think it's that piece
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: of how do you held space for that move through it,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: like allow ourselves to be in the human hold better
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: space in communities and with with people to be in
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: that card piece versus the bypassing, because I think there's
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: this almost on the manifesting part of it too, there's this,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: if you kind of break down a lot of the
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: public well known or social media manifesting stuff, a lot
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: of it is really capitalistic ego driven of like the
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: workshop of like here's the multimillion dollars check in the
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: health season, and it's like that's not nothing wrong with Yes,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: money matters a point, physically needs matter, but soul evolution
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: is not all about that, and I think the manifestation.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: A lot of things that come through in my life
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: have been it's come through intuitively as like it hits
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: and it lends different, and it's often things my ego
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to do, or it feels like a step
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: back in terms of material success, like it's like why,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: But it feels like this is part of my purpose here,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Like this is part of what I'm here to do
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: and how to help. And so it's not just about oh,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: just believe this enough and force it to happen. There's
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: a kind of soul co creative process and it's about
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: the journey. It's about our own evolution. It's about the
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: qualities we're building in ourselves.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh definitely. Like even with my book, like
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I love my book. It was fun. I take it
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: with a grain of salt, you know. I have people
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: create manifesting postcards because they're fun and when we tap
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: into our creative energy, it's very powerful. But you can
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: make a thousand postcards. But if you hate the world
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and hate yourself and hate everything, it doesn't matter how
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: many pretty pictures you put on your postcard and how
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: many you send to me. You have to do the work.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: That's part of the process. My part of it is
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: just the fun part of it. Let's get creative and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: let's be like we were when we were kids and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: in play, and because we are so involved and we're
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: so high on our energetic level when we're in that space,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to create more of that. But the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: bigger picture is so much deeper than that. It's so
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: much more work that we have to do. And you
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: really have to go inside and ask yourself to questions
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and start changing the way, changing your action, like the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: actions that you have to take to evolve as a
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: spiritual and a human being. Right, we have we have
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: things we have to do. We have work to do.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: That's why we're here, or we wouldn't be here.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: The earth is.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: School we do somewhere else right right now, oh my god,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: especially right now. And I want to talk more about,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: you know, being an EmPATH and a sensitive person because
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I'm that way and I think you said you're that
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: way too, So a lot of people are all right,
• 26:53
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• 26:57
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• 26:58
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  Speaker 3: I love the title.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad that you weren't afraid to use that. I
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  Speaker 2: Were you nervous about using it or not? Really, I'm
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: That's a couple titles and that was the one that
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  Speaker 4: people liked more. And it isn't. The tone of the
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  Speaker 4: book though, too is actually very gentle.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, of course no, but it makes you stop
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  Speaker 2: and look. And the whole point is the cover of
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  Speaker 2: the book and the title is to get you to
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  Speaker 2: look at you know what it's about. So that's right.
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  Speaker 2: So that's good. And I'm a cursor, so like not
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  Speaker 2: everybody is. I don't curse that much on my show,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but in real life I curse quite a lot.
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  Speaker 3: So it makes me feel good up.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: With the amount of toxicity that I was like, this
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: is a get to speak.
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  Speaker 2: To this, right, and uh yeah, there is a lot.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of fakeness. There's a lot of eager
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: All you have to do is go on social media
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: to see how curated somebody who you feed is, to
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: see how ego driven and how fake it is. It's
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: all and I tell people that all the time. I'm
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: a photographer. I love to make things beautiful, but that's
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: not what you're seeing is not real life. And we
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: have to start being more authentic we really do with
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: each other, because you know, when you if you're going
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  Speaker 2: through all this stuff, especially god, young young people, my
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: heart just goes for them, you know, and you're on
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: social media as much as they are. What they're seeing
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: isn't even real crazy, it's crazy. I'm sure we could
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: talk all about that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: The positivity. I'm not against positivity. There's a lot of
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: around it. But positivity at the expense of everything else
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: is the problem, like not being able to actually feel
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: the discomfort with holding space for the hard things. Is
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: it's gone too far?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you see, you articulate it very well, very well. Okay,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: so let's talk about m pass and highly sensitive. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: didn't realize that I was a high sensitive person, probably
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  Speaker 2: until I don't know, much later in my life. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know, you know, because I always thought like, why
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  Speaker 2: do I feel this way so deeply, not realizing and
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  Speaker 2: then it was something was wrong with me, you know.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: It took a while to realize, yeah it is. Yeah,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: did you have that too?
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  Speaker 4: I didn't realize un till later again, probably mid twenties,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: or so I'd already had a couple degrees in psychology.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't. I wasn't familiar with the term EmPATH was later.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: So you would say you would describe yourself as that way?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Isn't my question? Do you think of yourself?
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I have the same both.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think there's a lot more people that
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: are highly sensitive and empaths and they just don't even
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: realize it.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Highly sensitive is really well defined if people want to
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: check that out. Doctor Lane Aaron's work is really great.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: She has some self tests online. Those are really research backs,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: so it's been developed over decades and so it's not
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: a diagnostic tool, but it's very it's quite accurate, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: there's so much research behind it. So her research really
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: finds out about ten to fifteen percent of the population
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: is highly sensitive. It's across cultures. It's also across species,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Like there's fish that seems to be more highly sensitive.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: It seems to be a nervous system wiring of hanging
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: back and process more before jumping in. So interesting. Yeah,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: it's very nervous system wired. Whereas EmPATH you get into
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: another Wild West territory, EmPATH is not. I I believe
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: it's a real thing because of my own experience and
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: working with clients in it. I don't think the medical
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: and psychological field is really caught up to that, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: that there's enough research done yet to really define like
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: what is this, what isn't it? What are the pathways
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: to it? There's a lot of I see a lot
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: of myths or things that I don't think are necessarily true.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: In my own practice. This is just based on clinical experience.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: But something will say like, oh, it's all autism, where
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: it's only from a trauma history, and I'm like, those
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: can be pathways, but I do think there can be
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: an intuitive ability with it as well, and it's not
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: necessarily autism or add you can be impathic without that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: You don't necessarily have a trauma history with this, although
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: if you have that, ana trauma history can definitely magnify it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: But I do most of Western psychology and the medical
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: system will say that's not real, like you can't actually
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: feel what other people are feeling. My own experience with
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: that would be to a degree, yes, like you don't
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: you're not living in their shoes. But empathic people, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: mean when I realized that I was, it was in
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: an intuitive like practice workshop, and how much my emotions
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: and even physical sensations or pain in my body shifted
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: with each practice person and getting like with strangers who
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: could then confirm that that was what they were feeling.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: It was a light bulb moment for me where I
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: less wondering how long has this been happened? Like is
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: this real? How long has has been happening for me?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe I'm not actually maybe not all my issues or mine.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: I'm just picking up a lot of it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely an EmPATH. I have physical manifestations. I
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: need a lot of hibernation time to kind of recalibrate myself. Yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that until much later. And I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: have a feeling more people are empassed than they realized,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and some of what they're carrying is kind often.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: The case many people don't realize they are because we're
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: taught that like what we're feeling is ours, Like oh,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: you're saying you're anxious, that's your anxiety obviously, whereas sometimes
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, it is, and it isn't just ours.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: And I found like I've done a lot of work
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: with it, and that's one of the things I help
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: people with is There are pieces around, like managing your energy,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: taking care of your energetic system. But I've worked with mine,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: so it's not my dominance anymore because I didn't want
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: it to be like it. It does feel like more
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: of a curse than a gift initially if you're not
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: in control of it and you're just energetically taking on,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: especially when the world's in chaos and people are not
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: doing well.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Right right, true, No, you're you're one hundred percent right,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: And there are ways to protect yourself, protect your energy
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and things that you can do to help process, you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: and deal with it if you do have that. It
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is good though too for anybody listening wondering if they are,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you know, and they can take your quiz or they
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: can reach out to you, you know, to find out
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: if you are, because knowing you are is a big
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: feeling moment truthfully for me anyway, Like once I realized, oh,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: that's what's going on, like, it lifted the weight so
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: much off of what I was feeling.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, because I looked at myself like because then.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I looked at my of like, what the
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: heck is wrong with you? You know?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And now realizing Oh okay, yeah, it's empowering.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Mhm.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it would still a process that took me
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: a while to learn how to work with it. And
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: to be sure, we have to kind of practice being
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: able to recognize like is this mine or not mine?
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: And being able to check in on that and being
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: able to release what isn't ours. I think a lot
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: of deeper healing can help to or childhood belief system
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: healing to be to say like we can be aware
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: of these things and intuitively aware, but not necessarily processing
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: it through our own body in the way that we
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: default too.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And if you've had trauma, which many of us have
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: had at some point somewhere in our life, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: how do you deal and heal from trauma? Like what
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I know you talk about that also, how to heal
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: from trauma?
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Well, that's an also an area of specialty for mine
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: and advanced training, and I talk about that in the
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: book too, because that's that's a huge pet peeve for
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: me when spiritual communities just think this or just and
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: it's like you cannot positive think your way out of
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: a trauma. Response like that is not helpful, and so
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: we often need depending on the degree of trauma. We
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: often need stabilization in the nervous system. We need safety
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: and security to do that work, and like basic needs
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: like safe living, access to food, like a safe situation.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: And then sometimes people may need medication to help with that,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: because I see that in some spiritual communities as well
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: or teachers and mentors, where there can be a lot
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: of stigma with that, like people are failing or not
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: being spiritual enough if they need medication. And I get
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: not turning to medication to medicate stuff that is a
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: more holistic issue, like that's a problem where it's never
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: going to resolve it. But sometimes there's medication can be
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: really helpful for people as a part of an overall
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: healing process. And I think each person has our own path,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: and so that like sometimes that's necessary. And then often
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: like trauma healing approaches to see like we actually need
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: to move this through our nervous system in a more
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: somatic based way. It's not just about positive thinking our
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: way out of it, because that gets stored differently in
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: our brain and nervous system. And then it's not it's
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: not a conscious choice that it's getting activated.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: No, And and there's evidence now that trauma stores in
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: our body in certain places in our body, right, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: so we have.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: To epigenetic exactly, ancestral.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly, so if you really want to go deep exactly.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: But that is the new buzzword though.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I have to say, I've been hearing a lot of
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: people say I'm healing ancestral ancestral trauma, and I hear
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: more and more people saying that. So to me, when
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: when those things are floating through the airwaves and I
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: hear that, I'm like, hmmm, we're getting you know, the
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: universe is saying, oh, you're ready for this, You're ready
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: for this, You're ready to go to the next you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: open it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Up and go to the next level.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: And so I love that, you know that people are,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: you know, talking about it, but we do we have
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: to be careful because yes, this positivity like you can
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: think your way out of I mean, listen, some people
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: have had the most horrific, horrific experiences growing up that
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I've ever heard in my life. And you can't think
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: your way out of those things. You can't just be like, oh,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna smile and I'm going to think happy thoughts.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: No you have to process it, and you need and
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: you probably need help processing it, right. You need somebody
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: that can help guide you and give you exercises. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: if you need medication, you need medication. That's what it's
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: here for. If we wouldn't have created it, if there
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't people who needed it, right, Like I always think
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: about stuff like that. There's always reason that things are created.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: So somebody, who what are okay? Here we go, here's
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: a question, what are signs of you have trauma going
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: on that you're not a processing compared to I just
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: have a problem that I need to, you know, work out.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: And I think there is in terms of trauma, there's
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: kind of the big T traumas or like little TA
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: trauma stuff. Part of the spiritual experience in a human
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: body and human nervous system in this world is like
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: we're all going to have some level course, it's part
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: of the deal. So one definition is almost more of
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: when we go into kind of a fight or flight
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: free state, we can end up our brain may not
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: be processing the emotional feelings of that time to put
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: them into coherent time oriented sequence. So similar things will
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: It's like a you get hit with a baseball bat
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: and you have a soft spot, like similar situations will
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: poke that soft spot. In more severe trauma can go
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: into almost like flashback level, where it's very just regulating.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: People may not even know where they are at that moment,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: like the intensity is so high it takes a really
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: long time to recover. It can be full on like flashback.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Lesser level can be still more like a blurback, like
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: someone may have a certain boss or something where like
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: they just emotionally get way more into it and then
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: their conscious mind wants to like, I'm ruminating about this,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I can't sleep, I'm thinking about it for five days,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Like I did eight different emails and kept deleting them,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: and our conscious mind is like, I don't want to
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: care about it this much. Right, So, sometimes that can
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: be a sign that there's like some old emotional memory
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: there that needs to be released and cleared, and highly
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: sensitive people we are more prone to hold more of
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: that because we can go into fight or flight more
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: easily with that deeper processing, we can get more overwhelmed
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: and go into fight or flight. The good news is
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: like we tend to be more self aware and more
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: internally motivated to be deep processing and often benefit from
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: therapy or from tools that help us be aware of
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: ourselves and move through things. Mm hmmm, So it's one
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: of the kind of double edged but yeah, it's often
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: if we're having like big emotions takeover where And that's
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: one of the limitations I find with just straight up
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: conscious mind approaches and therapy that aren't more trauma based
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: or somatic based. Is all of us often have experience
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: of like our adult rational conscious mind wants to feel
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: this way or doesn't want to care this much, or
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: would see it differently with a friend or outside observer perspective.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: But we can still have these like bigger emotional and
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: sometimes they really take over and they're very distressing and
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: they cause a lot of problems in our life.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Yes. True.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Now I want to ask you this question. I've heard
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: this thought and I've heard other people say it, teachers
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: and spiritual leaders, like if you are triggered by something,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that means you have it now, is that necessarily true that?
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I hear that a lot. That's I talk about
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: that in the book too, because it comes up how
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: often where people will be like, oh, this person's treating
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: me this way, so spiritually, like where am I being
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: like this right?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know about it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: I kind of note like, okay, think not necessarily, like
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: it really depends, like sometimes that may feel true for people.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Sometimes there may be like okay, like where maybe there's
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: a part of me that I need to work on
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: with this, But it can get really dangerous as well,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: and especially in abusive relationships or like being treated really
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: badly by people, Like the mirror of that may not
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: actually be where are you being narcissistic or abusive? It
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: may be like where are you actually being not boundaried
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: enough here? Like where are you needing to stand up
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: for yourself or protect yourself or not feel guilty or
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: let your awareness of their pain? Let let them railroad
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: you and traumatize you, like sometimes those like dark teachers
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: soulmate level wise are us to like level up in
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: our own like love and empowered boundaries.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad I asked you this question because that
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: there's something about that that I just never sat right
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: with me. I'm like, if I have a reaction to
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: you because I see something in a way that you're
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: doing that is so atrocious, and I have learned about myself.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of fire. I'm also incorporating more
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: astrology in my chart. I have a lot of fire
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: in my chart, even though I'm an Air sun sign,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and I get when I get angry, I boil, you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: And I'm a reactor because from my early experiences, I'm
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the one who goes in the burning building and pulls
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: you out.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not the one who freezes.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: But the anger I've meant to like, anger can be sacred.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Anger can be very special because it can be sacred
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: rage to channel too, like, don't let it sacking into
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: someone who's abusive, but like, what are you standing up for? Then?
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: What are you fighting for?
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Yes? Exactly? And it never means right where.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where it might be like, oh, like this children's
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: father is a terrible parent and is actually an abusive situation.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, well, they're full signed up for it.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, as their parent, you like talk to
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: a lawyer and you do what you can to protect them,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Like you don't just let this play out if you don't.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Have to exactly, No, And I that always didn't feel right,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Like if I call you out on being a narcissist
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and your narcissism is bothering me.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that I'm a narcissist or I have
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that in me.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: It means that I'm seeing something that I think is
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: unjust and I have to call you out on it
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: because I can't allow you to hurt somebody else in
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: front of me. I will not be a witness to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I'm very like the bullying and all that stuff. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: am one of those people that says something probably could
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: get myself in trouble, you know, because but I can't,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: in my own good conscious remain quiet and allow it
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to happen.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: In front of me. So I don't. And I think
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: of like that makes me.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: That like near for me, it's really more like it's
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: so much more complicated and nuanced, of like what's nearing
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: my own growth here? Like it doesn't mean I need
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: to work on my egotistical narcissistic qualities. It may need
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: to be like, do I need to manage some of
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: my super personality traits that make me more prone to
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: manipulative personalities that are actually like a gift and a
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: benefit in every other relationship, But they're an achilles heel
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: here because I can be too trusting, I can be
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: too accommodating it can be like, if I'm scared of
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: walk rocking the vot people pleasing, I may not step
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: up into like what actually needs to happen in fire
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: in a healthy way.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Right, harness it and how to with it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And sometimes there's certain people that need to be a
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: witness to bad behavior because they are the ones that
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: call it out so that it can be seen so
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: we can all learn and grow. So somebody has to
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: call you out. Somebody has to call it out, right,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: So sometimes those situations have to arise so that that
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: will happen.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: So it's just that's that's one thing that I've always
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: not liked when people are like, well, oh well that
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: means that you must have that somewhere in you, And
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, no, I don't think so I don't agree
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, some stuff are just way too simplified and water.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, this isn't helpful. It's not true.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly, it's not helpful. And that is Yeah,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: this is just like projecting. I'm back on you. So
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: what are some of the red flags?
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Universal red flags? Like we're we're very wounded, we need help,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: we don't know where to go, We're.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Not sure how we're even feeling. I'm looking for guidance.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: What are some things that we should pay attention to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: that maybe you know, turn your head, go somewhere else,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: don't go there, you know.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: I think there's there's a few things, Like there's a few,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: and I probably won't be able to cover everything. But
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: one thing we didn't touch on that I just want
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: to like have in people's minds is okay. I do
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: talk a lot about how spiritual awakening doesn't mean it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: mental health. There can be a concerner too. Many spiritual
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: communities can say like, oh, this is just a spiritual awakening,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: and sometimes it's actually a mental health crisis too. So like,
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: is this safer stable even to be exploring right now,
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: because if this is potentially like a bipolar episode, a
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: psychotic break, like a traumatic awakening itself, like this could
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: be dangerous and very destabilizing to go down a spiritual
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: path without getting grounded and getting the appropriate like connection
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: to the three D reality first. So that's kind of
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: a separate one. I do have kind of like some
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: quiz questions that go out in that free series. With
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: that the other side, I'd say, when we're looking at
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: working with someone, there's some things are more Are they
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: using like fear to control? Are they are they attached
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: to the outcome? Like are they trying to be our
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: source of guidance? Are they trying to scare us into
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: something so we work with them and pay them more money?
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Are they violating boundaries? Like do they have traits of
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: immature toxic personalities?
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm just thinking of our present the current president
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: of the United States. Oh sorry, occult later, that's just
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: my opinion. But right, okay, you're good, good description, Yeah,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: And then knowing some of the flags in spiritual or not,
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: like knowing some flags because you can have adult bodies
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: and you can have very powerful people like presidents, heads
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: of company, like very successful in some areas. But if
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: you know what to look for, like emotional maturity and
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: accountability and like how that shows up, it'll show you
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: about what is someone's capacity and how safe are they
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: given their capacity? Interesting on an emotional level.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: On an emotional level, yeah, no, that's really that's really interesting.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: So studying mental illnesses, do you find that it's or
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: is it both? Is it a lot of times some
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: sort of chemical imbalances in the brain that happen, you know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: just to genetics, the.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: More psychosist piece, because it's not my area of expertise,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: Like that would be stuff where I would refer people
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: out or really strongly recommend they're working with someone else
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: or porking with someone else in conjunction with me. Because
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: if I'm worried about psychosists break, I'm like, I'm not
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: I'm not right. This is my area of expertise. Like
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: I work with people who are psychologically like they can
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: have trauma, dipression, anxiety, but like they're connected to three
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: D reality and that spiritual connection. Like I think that
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: should ultimately be helping us in this world and helping
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: us navigate in this human experience, not taking us so
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: far out of it that we are not functioning here.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Observing ego is often a sign of that, like people
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: who you know you connect with your higher self, your angels,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: your guys. You're careful of who you talk to about
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: that because you understand how it sounds. Is a sign
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: that you are grounded and you can maintain your to
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: day routines, like you can show up for work, you
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: shower and take care of yourself and pay your bills
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: on time, like those things start getting lost, and then
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: that's more a sign, Like that's more concerning I understand.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Right, So if you're totally yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Like if you check out of your life and you're
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: seeing and just like, oh, I'm just with the angels
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: and you're not paying your rent anymore and you're not telling.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Them that they should get it, and like why don't
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: they stand You're like no, like people who are grounded
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: in this understand that it can sound a little out
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: there and not everyone's going to get it.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Well, it's so layered and so complicated. I imagine I
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: don't know that it's both nature and nurture, right, like
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: whatever you experiences and then whatever your own genetics are
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: in your own chemistry and your own you know.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: It's like, so I'm sure our.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: Most mental health physical health ways are a combination of
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: genetic predisposition and environmental stress.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes so much sense. So we only
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: have a few minutes. I want to ask, is there
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: anything that we didn't get to touch on that you
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: feel is really important in the work that you're doing
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that we should know.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I think it's just the main thing I'd
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: want people to know is that this is real. I
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: think it's an inherent birth rate that we all have
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: as part of our human evolutionary history. There is research
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: and neurological neuroscience research that actually does support that it's
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: a lot more common than people realize. It's just because
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: of the stigma, many people do not talk about it
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: publicly or even with people they know. Right, And I
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: think give these like crazy turbulent, stressful times, like that
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: connection with our intuition is our connection to our soul
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: and our higher source God universe power, like it is
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: the source of security within us that I think it's
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: such a valuable connection to make time for to cultivate
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: that can really help us give a deeper sense of peace,
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: meaning connection like the things that really matter and help
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: keep us grounded in this life.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I have found just asking myself a
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: simple question and really listening to the answer that comes.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Is when I hear something or see.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Something and I ask and I don't know right, and
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I ask myself, does that sound right to you?
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Does that look right to you?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: And really sit with myself for a minute and not
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: look for the outside noise and allow the answers to come.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Usually my intuition, well, I say, probably ninety nine point
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: nine percent of the time we'll answer the question, no,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: that's not there's something not off and you have to
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: trust that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: That's where we lose it. We don't trust.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: It because we go, oh, I'm probably wrong, you're probably not.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you. That's another one of the spirituality pieces,
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: like trust the process or just trust it. And it's
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  Speaker 4: like trust is earned, same with intrauction, like I is.
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  Speaker 4: It's a feedback loop, like it's a process. We develop
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  Speaker 4: more trust as we get more evidence of it and
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  Speaker 4: as we get better at recognizing what's intuition what's not.
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  Speaker 4: So you don't have to fully trust it, you just
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  Speaker 4: have to have enough openness.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, thank you Katie.
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  Speaker 2: This was such It is such a great conversation and
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  Speaker 2: take her quiz at Katie turnerpsychology dot com. I really
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed our conversation today. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, everybody, thanks thanks for.
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  Speaker 2: Listening to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa creating the
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  Speaker 2: life you crave And I'm wishing everyone a wonderful week
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  Speaker 2: filled with joy, abundance, and love. Peace,