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Anthony Curcio: The DB Tuber | Monroe, WA · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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Anthony explored a variety of ideas for his escape, but eventually all of his brainstorming
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led to a pretty wild idea.
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One just wild enough to work maybe.
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I was like, "God damn!
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This man is determined, and you know what?
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He's really determined that his escape should involve a Jet Ski, which I mean, I get it.
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They're cool!"
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He's like, "God damn it, I had a dream!"
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And it will not be crushed.
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I must have the Jet Ski.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello!
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Hello!
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime,
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the paranormal, my wedding shoes, and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.
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All of those are very true.
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You know what else is true?
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What?
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We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode.
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That is true.
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We just want a little deeper insight into whatever we're talking about.
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It's fun.
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We like it.
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Yeah.
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And we do have some business.
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We just discovered.
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Didn't we?
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We found it.
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We decided.
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Yeah, I think we have a little bit of business.
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Okay, so the business is that if you'd like to come see us at True Crime Fest Northwest,
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then you can use our code HAUNTS10, and you'll get 10% off your ticket.
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Okay, so should we get into the episode?
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Do we say anything else about it?
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Like, you definitely want to come see us because we'll have like the wheel spinning.
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Oh, probably.
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It'll have many tarot readings.
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We'll be there.
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You can get a picture with us.
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We'll autograph something for you because we're so famous, you guys.
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She's really having fun with that.
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Okay, I just think it's cute because like we've actually had people like that wanted our autograph in a picture.
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I thought it was really sweet.
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Yeah.
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If you do want that, that would, you can have it.
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And then we'll melt and simply float away.
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And we'll probably talk to you too long and you'll never be able to get away from us.
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Yeah.
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And you'll be like, wow, you're not that famous.
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I'm just like meeting our creepy people.
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I love it.
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So yeah, we'll have that one of stickers.
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We usually have free stickers floating about.
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It's so many goodies.
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Good time, good time.
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It's always a good time.
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No, no, do we have balloons this time?
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What are we doing?
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Doing it up?
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I haven't decided what the table is going to look like exactly.
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But yeah.
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Maybe I don't know.
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Balloons at a true crime first.
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Do people do that?
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I don't know.
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We did it once before.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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We'll see.
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I've got a couple of ideas and we've done a couple of setups now for conventions.
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So we have some goodies already hanging out in storage bins.
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And I don't know.
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We fun with that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And for sure, we've got a black table cloth.
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That we do.
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We actually have quite a few of them.
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And a runner with our artwork on it.
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Yeah.
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Those will be present and accounted for.
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Yeah.
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And the wheel.
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Always the wheel unless someone lost it.
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I know right where it is actually.
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On the left side.
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On the left side.
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Right side.
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Right side.
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Because L.
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And this is L.
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She looks like she's trying to land a plane.
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Which is my right.
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I could land a plane because I would land them incorrectly.
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Because I don't know my left for my right.
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Honestly, it kind of seems like it's pretty Loosey Goosey on the airlines these days.
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Is it?
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I don't know.
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It seems like it should be real strict.
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Yeah.
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No, it seems like it should be sometimes the doors that you didn't know were doors.
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Just fly off the plane.
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Oh.
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Is this a relating trip episode today?
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Not today.
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Oh.
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I trust me, you guys.
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I've been tracking all of the stuff that's going on with Boeing.
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And I just, I haven't felt ready to go there yet.
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But there's probably going to be a part two of that.
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Because, you know, here's the thing.
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If they stop giving so much material, then like maybe, maybe, maybe there won't be.
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But yeah, there's already enough.
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Oh, there's already enough.
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I don't like it.
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I don't like any of that.
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I love to travel and it makes me never want to get on a plane.
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I'm just going to buy a bus and it's going to be my life.
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Yeah, it makes me a little bit nervous.
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So I'm thinking about doing some international travel for 2025 and holy shit.
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Don't go over any oceans.
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That's like all of the places.
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I know.
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You'll be fine.
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Fuck it, you fuck.
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Everyone's fine.
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We're all fine.
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Okay.
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Well, I'm going to, I'm going to get into the episode down.
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Okay.
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I'm ready.
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I solemnly swear.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I just thought it was really funny because you were asking me, if you could use initials to
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name the audio file.
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Yeah.
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You're being real secretive with me.
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And I was like, initials would probably be like the worst thing.
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It would be like a super giveaway.
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Are you doing DB Cooper?
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I'm going to kill you.
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I thought you wanted me to do DB Cooper.
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I wanted to do it.
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You want to do it?
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Yeah.
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Are you doing it?
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I'm down with that.
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There's something that's happening with DB today.
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And what?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, how did you get that confused?
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I told you I want, because you said you didn't want to cover it.
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And I said, okay, I'll cover it.
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And I was like, I'll start researching.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I guess you'll just have to see because he might be involved.
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Interesting.
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I'm excited.
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Let's go.
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All right.
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Anthony Curcio was born September 1st, 1980 in Monroe, Washington to a relatively middle-class
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family.
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His parents owned a successful landscaping company in the area.
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And Monroe has a relatively small population of about 20,000.
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In terms of economics, the bedroom community has been largely reliant on various aspects
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of the agricultural industry.
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So dairy, logging, those lumberjacks.
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I know what they do to you, but it's also struggled at times in a more modern era.
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It's historically been an extremely close-knit community, according to locals.
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And as a teenager, Anthony, he was the captain of his football team and the basketball team.
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Whoa, calm down.
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Yeah.
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Take several seats.
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Superstar.
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And then he's like, "I'm going to have lunch."
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Wow, that's cool though.
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Yeah.
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But that wasn't the only dream team that he was a part of.
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He was also dating one of the most popular girls in school, a beautiful cheerleader named
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Emily.
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Of course he was.
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He's the captain of two teams.
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Like, yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's got a cheerleader girlfriend.
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Yeah.
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It's like a law.
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I think so.
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I haven't seen it codified yet.
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But the high school sweethearts would go on to marry after college before having two
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daughters.
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Oh.
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I know.
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Joke you.
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Show how awesome.
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Before they started their family, Anthony followed in his father's footsteps, attending
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the University of Idaho on a football scholarship.
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Wow.
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Oh.
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His freshman year, he unfortunately found himself suspended from the football team because
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of his hard partying ways.
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Uh, uh.
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Apparently you can drink too much even for the football team.
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Man.
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That's like hard to do.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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His sophomore year, however, things were looking up.
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It seems like his efforts to stay on the straight and narrow had him back on the right path, moving
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forward as a new coach took over the team.
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That was until he tore his ACL at practice.
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Uh-oh.
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I feel like I can hear that.
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I don't want to think about it.
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And I hate it.
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Oh, thanks.
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It was an incredibly painful injury that sideline him in more ways than one.
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Not only could he no longer play football due to the injury, but the medication prescribed
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to him as he attempted to recover, sent him on a dark downward spiral.
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Uh, that's never good.
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No.
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Unfortunately, pain relief quickly morphed into serious substance use disorder.
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His addiction led to doctor shopping and when necessary, turning to drug dealers for street
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drugs when prescription drugs were no longer available to him.
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Damn.
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Yeah.
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Anthony's addiction became a very expensive habit.
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Like buying designer shoes, oh my god, it all comes back to the wedding shoes.
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I didn't even know.
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Oh my god.
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I couldn't have known.
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I could have known.
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I was just always thinking about shoes.
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I'm just always thinking about shoes, apparently.
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But you only get to use drugs the one time.
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I mean, shoes are forever.
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I hope so.
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This has been your girl, math segment for today.
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You're actually saving money if you buy designer shoes instead of drugs.
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Oh my god.
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My next line.
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You're welcome.
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I just saved you tens of thousands.
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No one can send you to rehab for having a hook to Jimmy Chu or Bashley Mischka
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Actually, I think they do have like shopping like retail.
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I have therapy.
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No, no, no.
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No retail therapy is the thing you're not supposed to do.
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Shit.
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So when I was writing this, this next sentence, I went shopping yesterday and may have consumed
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slightly more shoe porn than is typically considered healthy.
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But I digress.
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It was dirt.
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Back to Anthony to support his overwhelming addiction.
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He was known to sometimes dress up like a mover and would make off with other people's
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stuff on campus to sell on eBay.
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Yikes.
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Yeah.
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That's creepy too.
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I know, isn't it?
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This rose did not require particularly fashionable footwear, however.
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No, I can't imagine.
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But this approach was somewhat time consuming.
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He was able over time to come up with another money-making scheme.
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Actually, multiple.
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Later he would go on to create and sell high-value counterfeit baseball cards.
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This man and his sports name.
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He could make thousands more this way in a fraction of the time.
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Which is ridiculous because are you going to make them say it?
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You can't even wear baseball cards.
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You could if you tried really hard.
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You could have to be a little artistic.
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I thought about that comeback coming from you as a ruthless.
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Anything is possible, Caitlyn.
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Yeah, if you can wear meat dress, exactly Lady Gaga's next big crazy outfit should just be
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made from baseball cards.
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I'm just saying I'm uncomfortable with announcing my measurements or sizes already.
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If I had to be measured as a human being in terms of number of baseball cards, I think I
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would die.
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Just absolutely pass away.
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Oh my gosh.
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I can see this is one of the challenges too on one of those shows.
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Like RuPaul's and the Project Runway.
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Make a dress at a baseball card.
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Those would be fabulous, I'm sure.
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So fabulous.
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It seemed like whenever he started to attract too much attention, he would just find a new
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way to make money.
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While Anthony worked furiously to manage his habit and the perceptions of those around him,
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he couldn't fool everyone.
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As his addiction progressed, those closest to him understood that he had a serious problem.
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They supported him in his struggle with addiction while he did multiple stints and rehab.
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By 2008, it seemed like things were going really well for Anthony and his family.
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They owned a beautiful home in Seattle and a real estate investment company.
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Oh, that's going to make some money.
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Yeah, it would definitely make some money.
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I don't know if you happen to notice the year.
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Don't worry.
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2008.
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Is that what you said?
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Okay.
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At the time, he also happened to be balancing a habit of both vikin and various other illicit
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drugs to the tune of $15,000 a month.
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Oh my God.
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That should be expensive.
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Oh my God.
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Think of all the shoes he could have bought.
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Or anything.
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Pretty rocks.
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You know what, tarot cards.
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He'd simply put Ms. Bradshaw to shame.
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Just getting me loving Gary.
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She's never shamed.
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No.
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But it was 2008.
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And in case you don't recall or you maybe locked it out for emotional and psychological
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reasons, there was a financial crisis brewing, particularly within the housing market.
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It turns out that was a pretty tough time to be in the real estate business.
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Yeah.
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Like the toughest since I don't probably the Great Depression.
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Yeah.
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That old thing.
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That old thing.
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That old thing I kept talking about in the last couple of exactly when she did her thing.
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When she did her thing.
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When the real estate market crashed, it put his dire financial situation into perspective.
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It might not happen.
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Well, sort of.
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In later statements, he would indicate that at the time he was angry that the big banks
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were getting bailouts and he was being hung out to dry.
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Which I mean, he did not stand alone.
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Yeah.
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No, not Island.
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However, I mean, you know.
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He didn't blame himself for a series of choices that had negatively impacted his family's
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financial situation.
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You know, some personal responsibility as well.
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Yeah.
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No, it's always someone else or something else.
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Which to be fair, with this next sentiment, he wasn't entirely wrong, but I think you can
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see where he might have gotten carried away.
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Anthony said it was corporate greed that had crashed the market, tanked his business and
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placed him in this precarious financial position.
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He's not totally wrong, but I'm just saying, you know, if you're spending $15,000 a month
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that you probably don't actually have and you're in the business of turning over, you know,
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these starter homes or homes that you're renovating.
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If you put that energy and effort into that, that is probably what have been fine, even through
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the hard chip.
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It's hard to say.
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Like, yeah, I don't know.
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I don't even know what to really call it, but the crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, the
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crisis, but I just think, you know, probably their business was going to suffer and probably
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his family's financial situation was going to suffer, but I think it just says a lot about
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his mentality at that point that, you know, everybody was blaming the big banks as they
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should, but also, you know, two things can be true.
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Anthony, never one to give up in the face of obvious defeat, came up with a new way to make
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money.
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Of course.
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And also exact a small bit of revenge on the big banking industry.
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He decided that rather than rob a bank, he'd instead target the armored vehicle delivering
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money to bank.
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He learned absolutely everything that he could about the Brink's trucks making deliveries.
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There are routes, the layouts of the interior of said vehicle.
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Damn.
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What if any vulnerabilities the vehicles had?
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He surveilled Brink's vehicles extensively.
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In some cases going so far is to play dress up again.
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Like a landscaper this time.
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Get an attempt to get closer, a closer look while still blending it.
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Huh.
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Wow.
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Sneaky.
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Sneaky.
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He's playing real hard.
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Hard ball.
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Honestly, how someone doesn't end up on a government watch list at this point still baffles
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me, but here we are.
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And I probably am a government watch list.
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You know, Google searches.
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Fine.
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Now one thing Anthony carefully considered that many others often neglect to give careful
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thought.
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He realized he needed a solid getaway plan.
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The bank he chosen was located in the downtown area of Monroe near highway 2, but it didn't
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actually have any direct access to a major freeway, which is what you want.
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Yeah.
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If you look at contemporary robberies of financial institutions, you'll quickly realize
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we've come a long way since the days of Bonnie and Clyde.
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Typically, the perpetrators want to act quickly.
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And in some cases, arguably most, depending on the source of your data perhose, may even
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be unarmed.
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Most robberies actually occur.
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They're perpetrated by unarmed assailants.
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Yeah.
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Because you don't really need it.
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The fear is like that you might have one is probably in a well.
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And then the charges start to get stacked when you have a weapon.
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Is it?
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Is it?
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Sorry.
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Let me frame.
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Don't stutter.
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Do they give you more time or whatever if you pretend like you have a gun?
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They can.
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In some instances.
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I know I've looked at cases where even if it was a fake weapon, they can still find a way
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to stack charges.
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I feel like that's fair.
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Because yeah.
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Because that person is terrorized as if you had a weapon.
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Yeah.
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What Anthony planned to do was not altogether unheard of.
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But just to put this in perspective, here's some data from the FBI for 2022.
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Over 1500 bank crimes were committed at the Teller counter in 2022.
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There is none were reported for armored vehicles.
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So I think a little bit of research that I did about the statistics led me to believe this
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is exactly as bulky as it sounds.
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Wow.
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Remarkably, over a thousand of the aforementioned crimes used a demand note.
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It only roughly 200 some involved the use of a weapon in some form or fashion according
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to my rating.
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So in recent history, it's almost unheard of.
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Wow.
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Which I think is a good thing.
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Yeah, it's a good thing.
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Yeah.
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Not complaining.
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Exactly.
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I have a personal story to share at the end of the case if we have time.
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Oh.
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Guys, it'll just be a little shorty bonus for the Patreon.
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Anthony explored a variety of ideas for his escape, but eventually all of his brainstorming
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led to a pretty wild idea.
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One just wild enough to work maybe.
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Woods Creek, which feeds into Snohomish River, was close by.
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So he thought, what about escaping on a jet ski?
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That sounds like a movie.
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And I'm going to have to come back to this because I haven't told you yet.
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I'm bearing the lead.
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I haven't told you why.
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I didn't want to tell you the name of this.
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I have to put this down at the bottom of my notes real quick because he has a namesake.
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And so you'll see.
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Okay.
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Damn it.
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Okay.
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Unfortunately, he quickly learned that the creek was too shallow in places.
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For a jet ski?
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It's like a creek.
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Yeah.
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Kind of.
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Rather than abandon that idea entirely, he would spend weeks trying to dig out a path
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of greater depth to allow a jet ski to navigate the small body of water.
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I was like, God damn.
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This man is determined.
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And you know what?
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He's really determined that his escape should involve a jet ski, which I mean, I get it.
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They're cool.
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He's like, God damn it.
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I had a dream.
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And it will not be crushed.
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Yeah.
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I must have the jet ski.
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Well, spoiler alert, he's not going to get the jet ski.
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Oh, God.
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Well, hold on.
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Before we move on, I do have to say, since we are on a podcast and I am on a video, the entire
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time she was telling me about digging up of the creek or the creek or whatever the fuck.
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I was just staring blankly and blinking into camera because I don't have anything to
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say.
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Like, how does one respond to?
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It's that.
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I would certainly like if the Sandlot crew had decided to rob the thing.
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She's not wrong.
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He did eventually abandon this strategy.
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But as was the case for Anthony at every point in his life prior, it didn't take long for him
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to come up with another plan.
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A yacht.
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Well, a jet ski ain't making it through.
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You know what, yacht.
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It's not going to happen.
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You never know.
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He started brainstorming how he might be able to use another slightly more subtle type
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of watercraft instead.
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Perhaps an inner tube.
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I was going to guess like a raft or something.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Raft or tube.
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Right.
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If you're floating down the clack, those terms are interchangeable.
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But for anyone that's gone floating before, you know, it's not the quickest mode of quote,
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unquote, transportation.
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It's not.
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You're just floating.
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Exactly.
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Lazy river.
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Yes.
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So he created a cable system along the creek bed.
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Like along.
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Okay.
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I can't.
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But he created a cable system along the creek to allow for propelling the small waterborne
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craft in some of the slower moving stretches of the water.
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Okay.
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It's not any crazier than trying to dig the creek deeper.
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Just let's get a system of police.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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This is the Sandlock grill.
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Yeah.
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It's just a one dumb man instead of like 15 children.
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I mean, I've never met Anthony.
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So I can't tell you for certain that he's not actually three children stacked up in a
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children.
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And obviously he's like kind of he is like kind of smart and artistic, but like me put that
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into something else.
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Yeah.
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The creativity, the intelligence, the problem solving.
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They have so much potential in these criminals and they just they blow their big shot.
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Yeah.
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One shot.
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One opportunity.
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Too far.
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Anyway, we should move on.
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He created a tear-away landscaper disguise so that he could initially blend in with others
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that would be outside of the bank at the time.
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And then also immediately change up his appearance in order to thwart detection as he escaped
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the area where he committed the crime.
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So that's actually pretty fucking brilliant.
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It's kind of a tear-away costume.
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Yeah.
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So all the people that were there witnessing the robbery are going to remember a very specific
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description.
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And as soon as he gets far enough away, he's going to immediately change up his physical appearance.
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It's very smart.
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Like that's brilliant.
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It's very dramatic.
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It is.
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It's just such a movie plot.
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It's very Ocean's 11.
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Yeah.
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It's the same lot me Ocean's 11.
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That's great.
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Literally.
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It really is.
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Oh my god.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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I like it.
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In the lead up to the highest he placed an ad on Craigslist dating back to September 27,
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2008 for land scapers or day laborers promising an hourly rate of 2850 for a temporary job placement
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intended to last roughly a week.
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The fictitious project was referred to as the beautification of Monroe project.
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Respondents were told to wear a blue shirt and hat, neon safety vest and glasses as well
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as a painter's mask.
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Half were instructed to report to the park across the street from the bank, Eagle Park.
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The remainder of the respondents were told to meet in a grocery store parking lot next
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to the bank.
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Okay.
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They were told that they should wait at each of their respective sites until they were
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greeted by a project manager that would provide further instructions.
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Yeah.
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I bet they showed up.
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Sure did.
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In all, he'd arranged for over a dozen decoys to be in the area where the robbery was to take
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place.
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Oh my god.
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I was like talking about Eminem and then now there's all these slimshadeys around.
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Well, the real slimshadeys play stand up.
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Will the real slimshadeys stand up?
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I got rolls the lead there.
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I don't want these here.
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Oh.
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What?
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What?
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Why do we both do that?
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Oh boy.
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He was found guilty of voluntary manslaughter and philonia's assault.
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He was only sentenced to five months of probation and this would be the last time that anyone
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ever saw fear.
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There are allegedly two women who also drowned in the first month's pool.
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What's this the same glowing green they'd seen in the darkness the night before?
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He had refused to sit near the wagon cloth because of stains on it, which were most likely
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blood.
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We'll see you next time.
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On September 30th, 2008, just after 11am, Anthony was waiting just outside the bank branch,
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posing as a landscaper.
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He sat down his weed sprayer and revealed a can of pepper spray.
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He sprayed the armed brink guard directly in the face as he was attempting to take the money
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from the vehicle into the bank.
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Cheese.
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Yeah.
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They, in some descriptions, they called it bear mace, which makes it sound worse.
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Oh, it is worse.
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It's bear mace.
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I was like, I don't know what the difference is.
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Some sources called it pepper spray.
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The sources called it OC gel.
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Some of them called it bear mace.
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It was like all of it sounds terrible.
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Bear mace is just like a roll big can.
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It was real strong for bear mace.
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It was huge.
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I think it was actually bear mace.
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In any bears are coming up in every episode.
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Every episode.
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Are we new girl?
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There's like a bear in every.
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I just keep thinking about the time earlier this week when I had to chop a whole red onion.
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And I was like, I couldn't do it.
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I literally couldn't do it.
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If you bear mace me, just bury me now.
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You're supposed to stick out your tongue while you chop onions.
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Because they're the...
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I just turned on the hood.
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The molecules want to find moisture.
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So if your tongue is out, they'll attach it up first and then not into eyeballs.
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Well I cut it in half and like kind of walked away.
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It's like a few steps.
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And I turned on my overhead van in the kitchen.
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And then after that, I had like no problems.
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Or I wonder if you could even like put like a wet towel next to them?
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I don't know.
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That's a good idea.
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It's just a spear mouth.
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I might have had a wet towel on the counter come to think of it.
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Actually.
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You should do that next time.
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Okay.
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Just get wet.
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Just have a wet shirt.
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Just have a wet shirt contest for one while I try.
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And then chop your onions.
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Do the dishes first and then chop your onions.
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Because you know you will have a wet shirt.
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Yeah.
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Life hacks with Cassie and Caitlyn.
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You're welcome.
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Oh my gosh.
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This only fans thing just keeps getting more and more real.
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Yeah, the secrets aren't going to be free forever.
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Okay.
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That's right.
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He grabbed the two bags of money taking off in the direction of the aforementioned aquatic
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getaway that he had planned so carefully shutting his disguise as he did so.
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So this is just a man running to enormous bags of money towards a crack.
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Terran, this is just running to his inner tube.
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Just I'm seeing it all right.
34:55
People are just really stunning.
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Even if this was a movie, I would still be laughing because it's all dramatic in action.
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And he's going to this inner tube that's like going to maybe a little quicker from the
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police.
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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As he ran away, he was nearly hit by an oncoming vehicle causing him to abandon one of the
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bags knowing that slowing down for even the briefest time, he'd lead to his capture.
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He lost a whole bag of money already.
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Sure did.
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Yeah, he dropped one in the encounter with another vehicle.
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Yeah.
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I'm okay.
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In the movie, the car does hit him and he like does a thing, but then like the money flies
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all over the place and then he gets up and continues.
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We really should be screenwriters and I think we kind of are.
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I guess so.
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Though he'd lost out on roughly half of the overall take, Anthony was still left with
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roughly $400,000.
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It's a decent amount.
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So pretty good amount of money.
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I hope he brought a dry bag for the inner tube just saying.
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You know, I don't know.
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It wasn't brought up specifically, but it's good.
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That's good thinking.
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He's really hit or miss.
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Real hit or miss.
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Mitch Ruth, a local real estate broker, placed a call to 911 after witnessing the robbery
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in real time.
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Mitch had decided in an instant to chase after the quickly escaping robber.
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He was armed at the time, but never attempted to fire on the man.
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Anthony got so fucking lucky.
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Wow.
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When asked why he chased after the man, Mitch said, "What do you say?
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I'm in real estate.
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Times have been tough.
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If a guy's got a bag of money like that, he's not getting away without buying a home.
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What do you say?
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You know?"
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"Did he follow him long enough to catch the bag of money that he dropped?"
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"You know, I don't think so."
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I just thought it was really interesting because he talked about how this guy's running away
37:18
and like, "Yes, you know, he bare mace this person which that's awful."
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But he was like, "I am not the type of person."
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Like, here's my business card.
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Well, more so though, the thing that he really talked about at length in, I listened to
37:34
a full documentary series.
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It's an audio, it's a podcast.
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It's an audio documentary series where they interviewed him at length and he talked about
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how he's like, "I'm not shooting a man in the back."
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"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."
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"He's not a murderer.
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I'm not shooting a man in the back as he's running for money."
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"Yeah."
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"No, that makes total sense."
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"Yeah."
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And I just thought, "Wow, okay, cool.
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It's good to know that that's the type of person that lives in Monroe because, holy
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shit, there's a lot of places you could go, I think, in this country and just be shot in
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the back for real."
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"Why are you defending the big bank's money?"
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"Yeah."
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"I guess, okay, boys, go."
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I don't know.
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I thought you were meaning to...
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They wouldn't defend you.
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No.
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Obviously.
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How's it?
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I thought you were saying like why he chased after him.
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Oh, he wanted the money.
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He wanted to actually sell my house.
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Yeah, to sell my house.
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I think he just said that to be funny.
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I thought that was a pretty...
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That is funny.
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Yeah, I thought that was a great joke.
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Like, there's literally not a more appropriate joke for somebody in his profession to make.
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So I liked it.
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He witnessed him shutting his disguise as he fled.
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When the police arrived on the scene, they reacted pretty much exactly as Anthony had hoped,
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truthfully in a fairly predictable way.
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And I just picture like a sequence from the three stoos now for about a minute.
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With all the like...
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Join me in that visual, won't you?
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Decoise running around and they're like, "Woo!
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Woo!
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They begin interviewing the dozen or so people matching the description of the assailant,
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Anthony himself had hired through Craigslist."
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That is like that's so smart.
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I know.
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So he had hired them through Craigslist to act as unwitting decoise.
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It's fucking brilliant.
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He basically didn't even have to pay them, right?
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No.
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Because they were going to get paid at the end of the day.
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But still, it's like you get free help in these people.
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Don't even know they're assisting in a crime.
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Nope.
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The longer they were held up with these interviews, the further Anthony was able to run.
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Shall we say, "Propel, who's a flute?"
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Making pretty much a clean getaway.
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Wow.
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You know what?
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I had this thought and I want to say it before I forget.
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It would have been even cleaner if he had just thought about one more thing if he had like
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a smoke bomb and then ripped up.
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Woo!
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That's really what he need.
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Honestly, it just goes back to the smoke machine that we keep saying that we need for in this
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room.
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If it weren't the thing that would absolutely make this room toxic and kill us.
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Someone tell us how to get a smokey creepy room without dying.
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Dying.
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Yeah.
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Please.
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Yeah.
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Because I would do anything for this pod.
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Dry eyes?
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Can you have being in a room with dry eyes?
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Yeah.
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Because they put it in drinks even.
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Right?
40:59
Yeah, dry eyes.
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Let's do that.
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It's going to be a real expensive.
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The production quality of this show is excellent.
41:07
Is dry eyes expensive?
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I have no idea, but if we have to buy it enough, you only need a little bit.
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I know, but for every week we'll record.
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Cassie, I'm telling you, it can be for like special occasions.
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I'll go.
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Yeah, maybe we'll play around with that.
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Anywho.
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Oh wait, I'm going to start off boring.
41:27
This is so sad.
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Okay.
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I'm going to finish this paragraph and then go get more wine.
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Yeah, how sad for you?
41:32
Okay.
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Okay.
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Tim Basel was the primary detective on the case.
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Basel.
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Yeah.
41:40
I know.
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It's spelled different than Basel or Basel.
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It's like with a Z.
41:46
Oh.
41:47
So it's interesting.
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I've not.
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I heard it pronounced several times, but I feel like I want to say it weird.
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I want to say it weird, you guys.
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How do you want to say it?
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I don't know.
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Like, Bazael.
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Like, gazelle.
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Yeah, like gazelle, but with a B.
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Think of like, razzle basil.
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Yeah, basil.
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It's the same basil.
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Razzle basil basil.
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Razzle basil basil.
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There you go.
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Okay.
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He'd been a financial analyst with Boeing prior to joining law enforcement.
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So it's funny because we were talking about Boeing in the beginning.
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Weird.
42:19
Everything in the world connects.
42:20
I know.
42:21
And that was completely unintentional because you know I'm a goldfish and I can never
42:24
remember this like, three pages deep into my nose.
42:30
Like Ben at the nearby elementary school following up on a different case when he heard
42:34
sirens.
42:36
And though he didn't have his radio, he knew almost immediately that he should respond.
42:41
So he didn't even know what was happening, but he was like, gotta go sirens.
42:47
When Tim razzle dazzle Bazael.
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I was like, no.
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Arrived on the scene.
43:02
The man that had been sprayed was still also on the scene.
43:05
So terrible.
43:06
I feel so terrible for him.
43:07
I like how to smile and like slowly shifted into like what does this like your grimace?
43:09
Like a gromace.
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Yeah.
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He was not only trying to flush his eyes, but was also experiencing some difficulty breathing.
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Oh, yeah.
43:18
Yeah.
43:19
She got some.
43:20
She's so gnar-nar.
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In your lungs.
43:22
It's gnarcy.
43:24
Oh.
43:26
Multiple calls were placed to 911 within just minutes of the robbery from inside and outside
43:32
the bank, as well as the brinks truck and others that came from passers-by.
43:39
Wow.
43:40
A lot of people were like, hey, did you guys just, did you know they just like, they robbed
43:47
that guy?
43:48
You know, who brings the money?
43:51
By the time law enforcement made it down towards Creek, the inner tube was long since abandoned.
43:58
Okay.
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The only evidence Anthony had left behind of his crime were the remnants of his disguise,
44:06
an evake description of a tall man with an athletic build.
44:10
The witnesses said they'd seen quickly making his way in the direction of the Creek from
44:16
what they could tell.
44:19
The unexpected and mysterious crime became the talk of the town.
44:24
Small town.
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Yeah.
44:26
But it also is pretty wild.
44:28
Yeah.
44:29
I feel like that would be the talk of a big town, though.
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It was a homeless man that came forward to the Monroe detectives that would lead to the
44:39
undoing of our capers, perpetrator.
44:46
And I realized that I've said homeless.
44:50
I believe that's how he referred to himself and he was referred to in a number of the various
44:57
source material that I looked at.
45:00
But on the whole, I think we don't necessarily love that term.
45:07
He'd noticed a wig, mask, pepper spray, odd compo.
45:14
He had a dumpster in a spot that he was known to frequent.
45:18
He'd called it in as he was concerned that it seemed odd and thought on the off chance
45:23
of something untoward going on.
45:29
He didn't want for anyone to suspect he had any connection.
45:33
Oh, yeah.
45:34
I mean, that makes sense.
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Yeah.
45:36
You're a homeless or a houseless person.
45:38
You are an easy target.
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Yeah.
45:42
Exactly.
45:43
I was like really thinking like that was so smart, so smart.
45:48
And he's going to continue to be kind of smart, dude.
45:52
The report taken by patrol included the details of the unusual stash.
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Nothing had come of the call initially, but they were glad the dispatcher had taken down
46:06
his name in order to track him down.
46:12
You know, after the robbery had happened, the detectives went to an area where a large
46:17
unhoused population was known to congregate in sort of a little makeshift community.
46:25
And they took with them a bag, shocked, full of McDonald's cheeseburgers and other goodies.
46:33
No, these two not just hats.
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Yeah.
46:37
Okay.
46:38
They traded the burgers for information and they were actually able to track down the man
46:43
that had made the report.
46:45
Wow.
46:46
Yeah.
46:47
Authorities had been unable to trace anything via the Craigslist ad, which they thought for
46:53
sure, oh, there's a Craigslist ad.
46:55
All of these people responded that surely will be able to trace that.
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No dice.
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Nothing.
47:00
So this was just the break that they were looking for.
47:06
He told detectives.
47:07
He'd also seen a man come out of the woods and take the stuff.
47:12
So he'd seen this stuff a couple days prior.
47:15
Somebody came and collected it.
47:17
Oh.
47:18
He saw someone who may or may not be connected with the robbery.
47:28
He'd written down the license plate of the vehicle that that person had been traveling
47:34
in.
47:35
Oh, shit.
47:37
Yeah.
47:38
And I know you're going to be super surprised and not mad, but just disappointing to learn
47:48
that the plate was linked to Emily Curcio.
47:54
That's Anthony's wife.
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Okay.
47:56
Just connecting the dots.
47:58
Yeah.
47:59
Honestly, I didn't know she was in on this whole thing.
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I'm just kidding.
48:02
I shouldn't say that.
48:03
For legal reasons, I shouldn't say that.
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She's not.
48:08
She's not.
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But that's how they connected to one Anthony Curcio.
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Very smart.
48:16
While they surveilled Anthony, they observed him on more than one expensive shopping tree,
48:23
including the purchase of a Range Rover.
48:28
He even took a trip to Vegas with friends and his teenage mistress.
48:37
It was all fun in games until the child knew it was not great.
48:46
I was also going to ask, did he purchase a pool so he can swim in Dollar Dollar Bill?
48:50
I just thought that was all of those, y'all.
48:56
See, personally, I like to fill my swimming pool full of liquor and then dive in.
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But I can see where we are.
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I'm very different.
49:09
We can have a champagne pool with dry bags of money floating around in it.
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How's that sound?
49:16
I was literally going Kendrick Lamar and I'm not even sure where you're at.
49:24
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:31
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:38
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:40
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:41
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:42
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:43
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:44
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:45
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:46
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:47
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:48
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:49
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:50
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
49:51
You know I like vodka and in that pool would have bubble carbonation, water, and bubbles.
49:58
In lime floaties, in buble.
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So many bubbles so little time.
50:09
Here are a few details that were seemingly only discovered after the fact.
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His co-conspirator backed out at the last minute.
50:21
The night before the heist.
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Uh-oh.
50:24
Uh-huh.
50:25
Who was co-conspirator?
50:27
I'm not going to.
50:28
I don't think I have them specifically named.
50:33
I think they've remained largely unnamed in a lot of the material out there.
50:39
I'm world about this, but shocked that anyone backed out of this genius planet.
50:46
Well, in the wake of this sudden change of heart, he enlisted to other friends as a getaway driver and look out.
50:57
How do you just find these friends?
50:59
Like, you want to rob a bank in the garage?
51:01
The lookout was to keep an eye on highway two from across the way.
51:06
The area where he had stashed his inner tube that was supposedly, "This is the best ride."
51:13
This is the best.
51:14
The inner tube that he used was also supposedly stolen property.
51:19
Oh, well, of course it was.
51:22
Well, you don't want to go out and buy an inner tube because, you know, what if they go and check at the Walmart?
51:29
You know what I want to picture this inner tube?
51:31
It's like one of those like, pizza-shaped ones.
51:35
Oh, that big unicorn.
51:37
I mean, honestly, it's almost as noticeable.
51:42
It was like, you know that song, "Black and Yellow?"
51:46
Yeah.
51:47
That's, I just hear it every time I talk about the inner tube because it was literally like a fucking, not an actual bumblebee, but it was a black and yellow inner tube.
51:59
Like, it couldn't have been more inconspicuous.
52:02
Wow.
52:05
So anyways, where he had stashed the inner tube, that now sits on private property.
52:17
If you've got a road noise kink or are just interested in hearing Anthony recount some of the events that took place, then you should check out the podcast series, "The Sneak."
52:33
You were like, "He's the snake, he's the snake, he's the snake."
52:37
I just pick up on these things.
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Yes.
52:40
There's a lone house nearby just across the street that Anthony had access to at the time through his real estate business.
52:50
That's where his getaway driver was waiting.
52:53
So this was kind of an interesting point that somebody made in the long form documentary.
53:05
It seems like the smart thing to do at the time might have been just to wait out the initial police response to the robbery inside that house.
53:19
That you have access to legitimately.
53:24
He talked about this and he was like, "Yeah, I could have even set up some like kind of phony showings."
53:31
And I could have hung out there for hours to just let the area clear completely.
53:39
And nobody would have been the wiser.
53:42
I mean, I guess they would have still connected this to him, to be honest because of our good friend.
53:51
Good friend.
53:53
We'll come back to it.
53:56
It was the quaint downtown area of Monroe that his getaway driver started freaking out.
54:05
Freaking out, man.
54:06
Freaking out, man.
54:09
He's already pulled over. He can't pull over any farther.
54:14
That's how it was like.
54:18
This is what it was like.
54:20
The driver stopped, popped the trunk, and initially Anthony was able to get it closed again because he was inside the trunk.
54:29
The guy was kind of like trying to be like, "Get the fuck out of my car."
54:32
Like, "I can't do this."
54:34
And he just closed the trunk again.
54:37
Okay.
54:39
But the second time, he crawled out of the car, leaving the money in the trunk.
54:47
He snuck into the laundry room of a nearby apartment complex, snatched a shirt he found to help switch up his look,
54:56
and then walked over to the real estate office to place a call to his getaway driver, which like you were just with him.
55:07
Like, he doesn't want anything to do with this.
55:11
Why are you calling him?
55:13
Why do you leave the money in there?
55:15
I had so many questions.
55:17
So many questions. That was the first question that I had.
55:22
The first time Anthony called, the driver didn't answer.
55:26
The second time he immediately hung up on Anthony after he heard his voice.
55:34
Anthony's truck was parked a short walk away.
55:42
But of course, he's kind of got a lot of stuff going on right now.
55:46
He's a little bit nervous about walking around in public as the guy who just robbed the bank, but right, and his money is gone.
55:55
So like, yeah, it just gets better though.
56:00
Anthony called the lookout, who turned out to actually also be a dud, having bailed on the plant.
56:08
So he never showed up at the Bank of America.
56:11
He was never being a lookout.
56:14
He was a lookout in you to get now.
56:17
You didn't like make sure your lookout was there?
56:20
I don't I'm weird.
56:22
Who's looking out for the lookout?
56:24
I don't know. Probably somebody who's sober.
56:29
He described the odd feeling of looking up and seeing helicopters that unbeknownst anyone around him were in fact looking for him.
56:41
He got to his truck and then met with his getaway driver in another nearby small town.
56:49
Though he was super pissed about his unreliable support team, particularly the getaway driver, he didn't have much time to waste on that conflict.
57:00
And besides, they'd keep quiet.
57:02
Knowing he dropped his walkie talkie along the escape route.
57:10
It was intended to be a clever way of alerting authorities to the fact that there was more than one guilty party to keep the others in check.
57:20
Oh, okay. That was kind of genius.
57:23
I know it took me a long while to figure out I was like, okay, so like, why did he even have a walkie?
57:31
Sometimes you just can't lead a horse to water. I was really struggling for a minute and I was like, they've not talked about these walkie talkies once.
57:41
What the fuck is happening with these fucking walkie talkies?
57:45
I must have been hungry. I don't know.
57:48
You want to eat walkie talkies now?
57:50
No. No, I must have been hungry when it was like doing that part of my research though, because I was like, I don't get it.
57:58
Who the fuck cares about the walkie talkies?
58:01
Some are limited as they were.
58:05
Anthony's undoing as with any other criminals would be simple mistakes or oversight.
58:14
Because he did, you know, a fair few things right?
58:18
Ish. Yeah.
58:21
They recovered the mask that they assail him, had worn from the scene of the robbery, from which they were able to pull a DNA sample.
58:33
Wow. So it's probably why you shouldn't leave that behind.
58:39
Authorities were convinced that Anthony was their guy, because they're already, you know, uncovered that the license plate of a vehicle registered to his wife.
58:49
You know, that whole thing, thanks to their unhoused witness, Dennis.
58:56
What if it was a stolen vehicle?
58:59
Could have been, but they didn't probably have any reports from Emily about her vehicle being stolen?
59:05
What does she know?
59:07
I mean, good lawyer.
59:11
Anyways, let's focus on the wholesomeness of the name Dennis.
59:15
Yeah. Through the course of surveilling, Anthony, they were able to watch for anything being left behind or discarded, might possibly contain his DNA.
59:27
So they could try matching it to the sample left on the mask.
59:31
Sneaky snakes.
59:34
That's why that Bryan Kohberger douche was like bagging up his trash everywhere and right.
59:43
As luck would have it. At some point while he's gassing up his range rover, he tosses out a gatorade bottle that he'd been using as a spit cup for his chew.
59:55
Oh, nasty.
59:57
Like the most disgusting thing.
59:59
Can they get DNA out of that? That's so gross.
1:00:01
They definitely can chew soup. Trying to keep gagging about this internal only now, because it's where to go.
1:00:09
I could have made myself throw up.
1:00:11
I can't hear a gross story.
1:00:13
I don't know. Well, I'll just say I do a lot of like can collecting for like, Puplandia donations (https://www.puplandiadogrescue.org/).
1:00:21
No, I'm not going to say anymore.
1:00:25
Oh my god.
1:00:27
Do you know I had someone sit in my car?
1:00:31
You guys met her trash.
1:00:33
Okay. And I've I can vouch for that because I'm getting married.
1:00:40
But I found all of the trash first.
1:00:42
Okay.
1:00:44
She'll all of the trash.
1:00:46
Yeah. Okay. Some Miner Frogs.
1:00:48
I found all the trash.
1:00:50
Okay. I was like, well, no, let's go dumpster diet.
1:00:54
I've had a man sit in my car with a red solo cup full of chew spit.
1:01:02
And I said, oh gosh.
1:01:04
Could you use a bottle or something with a lid?
1:01:07
And he was like, it's fine.
1:01:11
You know, any dead less than a minute later.
1:01:13
You spelled it all over the seat.
1:01:21
Words can't describe to you how much I want to hurl right now.
1:01:24
That it like.
1:01:26
Ugh.
1:01:30
Even if you hadn't spilled it.
1:01:32
You spelled it with a wide open.
1:01:34
It's gross. Yeah. Put it in a bottle for fuck's sake.
1:01:38
Yeah. Come on.
1:01:39
I hate the bottles.
1:01:41
Also, I don't I don't want to look at that.
1:01:43
Yeah.
1:01:44
Why do they pick a clear bottle?
1:01:46
Yeah.
1:01:47
Because they like to see how disgusting they are.
1:01:49
Really.
1:01:51
Really disgusting.
1:01:52
Just in case anyone was wondering.
1:01:55
Any who's all science.
1:01:59
The lab was able to confirm the DNA match based off this sample.
1:02:04
Put it what cost?
1:02:08
Ugh.
1:02:11
I hope they're wearing a hazmat suit.
1:02:13
I know.
1:02:14
Okay.
1:02:15
The ends justify the means, but I'm just saying.
1:02:19
I'm not the crime scene tech who drew the short straw on that day.
1:02:22
I'm really glad.
1:02:23
I'm really glad.
1:02:25
I'm glad I'm not a crime scene tech.
1:02:27
I'm just being gosh, thank you.
1:02:29
Whoever does that.
1:02:30
Yeah.
1:02:31
Because we do a lot of work.
1:02:33
Okay.
1:02:34
On November 4th, 2008, when Anthony was arrested.
1:02:39
What?
1:02:41
While he was at Target.
1:02:43
Urika.
1:02:45
He had $17,000 in cash with him.
1:02:51
That's not in any way suspicious.
1:02:54
Just some walking around money.
1:02:56
Okay.
1:02:57
He was at Target.
1:02:58
Okay.
1:02:59
I frequently would like to take $17,000 with him to Target.
1:03:03
That's a doubt.
1:03:04
I don't want one of those dream like game shows.
1:03:06
I hear $17,000.
1:03:07
Go to Target and buy as much as you can in 30 seconds.
1:03:12
Mmm.
1:03:15
When a search warrant was executed on their home, none of the money was found.
1:03:20
It had been stashed with a friend.
1:03:22
Oh.
1:03:23
A square roll.
1:03:25
Oh.
1:03:26
Oh.
1:03:27
Oh.
1:03:28
Oh.
1:03:29
Oh, my gosh.
1:03:30
I just think it's so funny because I'm like, can you throw off with your money?
1:03:35
I'm really going to trust.
1:03:36
I don't know if it's the same guy.
1:03:37
I'm assuming.
1:03:38
Oh.
1:03:39
Because I would like to think that he probably wouldn't be dumb enough to involve additional people.
1:03:50
At this point, but.
1:03:53
I might be asking a lot.
1:03:55
Yeah.
1:03:56
Yeah.
1:03:57
He was charged in the local county court, but due to the Hobbs Act dating back to the 1950s,
1:04:04
it wasn't immediately qualified as a federal crime because he didn't enter the bank.
1:04:13
Oh.
1:04:14
Did he know that?
1:04:15
Did he do that on purpose?
1:04:16
I don't know that he did.
1:04:18
I think he just thought logistically it would be easier.
1:04:22
But that's a really great loophole.
1:04:28
Yeah.
1:04:29
It doesn't become a federal offense until the money is actually inside the bank.
1:04:33
I feel like that loophole has got to be closed.
1:04:35
Wow.
1:04:36
But extenuating circumstances and a robbery allow for federal charges to be brought.
1:04:47
Which extenuating circumstances that's so subjective.
1:04:53
Yeah.
1:04:54
So subjective.
1:04:55
I just feel like.
1:04:56
So they're kind of like.
1:04:57
So they're kind of like.
1:04:58
Really want to roll those dice?
1:04:59
That's a dumb rule.
1:05:00
I mean, yes and no.
1:05:05
Both the prosecutor and the judge were seemingly a bit amused by the clever planning that went into the robbery.
1:05:13
I bet.
1:05:14
Yeah.
1:05:15
Saying he'd almost succeeded in carrying out the perfect crime.
1:05:22
Which I'm like, your honor.
1:05:24
I object.
1:05:25
That was very generous.
1:05:28
Yeah.
1:05:29
I mean, it's a lot more clever and well planned out.
1:05:34
Like he definitely did a lot more research.
1:05:36
The execution was a little bit rough around the edges.
1:05:41
I would say compared to other robberies though, like, yeah.
1:05:47
But come on.
1:05:49
They showed real inventive.
1:05:58
He really did.
1:06:01
Anthony could have been facing up to 20 years.
1:06:04
But the prosecutor asked for just five in his recommendation to the judge.
1:06:10
His addiction appeared to have been a factor in this decision.
1:06:15
Which did that give him more or less time?
1:06:17
No.
1:06:18
I think the DA wanted to pursue less time because they felt like they wanted him to get help.
1:06:26
They saw how intelligent, how gifted, how motivated, that, you know, this man was.
1:06:33
And even under the influence, like, yeah.
1:06:37
I mean, he very clearly could have nearly gotten away with this.
1:06:42
Yeah.
1:06:43
So hopefully they had a plan in mind to get him help and then just hope he would.
1:06:48
Yeah, go to jail because there's no drugs there.
1:06:52
Yeah, go to jail.
1:06:53
You'll get sober.
1:06:54
You'll be reformed.
1:06:55
Everything.
1:06:56
Fine.
1:06:57
Honestly, listening to a lot of the interviews that they did with him, I was like, is he high right now?
1:07:03
No.
1:07:04
So I don't know.
1:07:07
Anthony's friends and family also submitted over 100 pages of letters explaining how those that knew him had seen his struggles, but attested to his character and potential.
1:07:20
They asked for leniency as the judge considered his sentencing.
1:07:26
Like, obviously, guys, like, do I even need to connect the dots here? Like, we all get that.
1:07:33
Like, he was arrested.
1:07:34
He's obviously found guilty and he's sentenced.
1:07:37
Like, yeah.
1:07:38
I was like, I feel like I kind of sped through some of that.
1:07:41
But I'm like, listen.
1:07:43
I feel like this goes without saying almost.
1:07:49
In the end, Anthony was sentenced to six years in federal prison. Emily and Anthony reunited after his sentence and worked through the issues and their marriage brought up by his addiction.
1:08:03
As far as I know, they are still together.
1:08:06
Oh, she's a saint of a woman, literally.
1:08:10
St. Emily.
1:08:11
Wow.
1:08:12
Yeah.
1:08:13
He wrote an illustrated well over a dozen, takes several seats and deep breaths here.
1:08:21
This is wild to me, but I also kind of love it.
1:08:25
Wrote an illustrated well over a dozen children's books while incarcerated, some of which were aimed at helping kids cope with the incarceration of a parent.
1:08:40
Oh, I know.
1:08:41
Oh, it's fun.
1:08:42
It's sweet.
1:08:43
She's a sweet, what a cry.
1:08:44
Jesus.
1:08:45
I know.
1:08:46
Wait, it'd be a good guy.
1:08:49
I think it was literally called my daddy is in jail.
1:08:54
Oh, my God.
1:08:56
Oh, my God.
1:09:01
Others focused on highlighting sports figures and important lessons that could be taken away from their successes.
1:09:09
Because fucking sports, Gananthani, sports and he also wrote a book about the crime itself called Heist and High.
1:09:21
You know, I like this little H and H thing.
1:09:25
He's got going on.
1:09:27
I'm a fan.
1:09:28
I'm a fan.
1:09:29
He's also done a TED talk.
1:09:31
So if you want to go look that up.
1:09:35
Now, there is a line that I redacted from my notes as I was reading them because I realized that I told you I can't tell you the initials.
1:09:46
You realize I was only half listening to the rest of the episode.
1:09:49
I listened to you said that because I was thinking about what that could have been.
1:09:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:09:55
Okay.
1:09:56
So don't be forget I have a personal story, but remember I said Woods Creek, which feeds into Skakomish River was closed by.
1:10:07
So he thought what about escaping on a jet ski and the line that I redacted from my notes was honestly, is that any crazier than the daring escape made by his namesake?
1:10:23
And Cassie goes, I don't fucking know who's his namesake.
1:10:27
Who's his namesake?
1:10:29
So Anthony has been dubbed DBTuber.
1:10:36
[Laughter]
1:10:41
And I was trying to come up with a clever way of like making you think that I was going to talk about DB Cooper.
1:10:49
But you kind of talked yourself into it. I didn't even have to come up with a backstory or like make up.
1:10:56
How did I know?
1:10:58
I had no clue what you were going to talk about. How did I just like mention that?
1:11:02
I have no idea. It was so random, but because I was really trying to think of like, oh my god.
1:11:08
Okay, so like what kind of like a backstory or like how could I make my notes more like general?
1:11:15
Just so that she really thinks this is about DB Cooper.
1:11:19
This could be DB Cooper. Maybe he was DB Cooper.
1:11:22
I think because he wasn't born until after the crime occurred.
1:11:26
I don't know. He's pretty.
1:11:29
He's pretty crafty.
1:11:30
Look, I'd like to see some like, I'm a machine.
1:11:33
You know, his disguises are legendary.
1:11:39
I mean, that's true.
1:11:40
He could not even be the santa. Yeah, it's true. What if he zips off his Anthony suit?
1:11:45
He's lizard underneath.
1:11:49
And we've arrived at lizard people.
1:11:52
You're welcome. We can end the podcast now. We are done.
1:11:58
Cheers. Cheers.
1:12:00
Yes, we should do one last tear.
1:12:02
Wait, maybe.
1:12:05
Which I've already written notes for more cases. You're stuck with me.
1:12:11
All right.
1:12:12
Okay, well, I would like to refill my glass.
1:12:16
And I think we should do some tarot, but maybe I will share my personal story.
1:12:22
Yeah.
1:12:23
We can get into it.
1:12:24
Yes.
1:12:24
Because I do have some other feel good things that I can share for our Patreon as little bonusy bonus for this episode.
1:12:33
Okay.
1:12:34
That's more dbtuber fans.
1:12:36
That is so funny.
1:12:38
Dbtuber.
1:12:39
The whole time I was like this, like, it's similar in the craziness aspect.
1:12:45
It really is.
1:12:46
The movie like.
1:12:48
Oh my.
1:12:49
Oh my.
1:12:50
It's so cinematic.
1:12:51
Dbtuber.
1:12:52
Dbtuber.
1:12:53
Yeah.
1:12:54
All right.
1:12:55
Well, should we.
1:12:56
Are you going to tell your story now?
1:12:58
No, I'm going to let's switch over.
1:13:00
Let's get, yeah, look, I'll do that right before we do the tarot.
1:13:07
Yeah.
1:13:08
Dbtuber.
1:13:10
Hahaha.
1:13:11
I wonder what that's for you.
1:13:18
Excellent.
1:13:19
Oh.
1:13:20
What do you get?
1:13:21
The two of cups in reverse.
1:13:29
Interesting.
1:13:30
Okay, okay, okay.
1:13:31
Okay.
1:13:32
Two of cups are keywords are partnership, harmony, creative exchange and cooperation.
1:13:40
Hmm.
1:13:41
I wonder if it does.
1:13:42
I was like, I don't know about this, but I don't know about reverse.
1:13:45
I know the uprights a good card.
1:13:47
Yeah.
1:13:48
Hmm.
1:13:49
In many decks, the two of cups shows a man and woman holding chalices as if toasting each
1:13:58
other.
1:13:59
The card represents joining forces with someone either romantically or in a creative slash
1:14:05
spiritual endeavor.
1:14:08
You share a common dream, interest or passion and can work together to bring it into being.
1:14:15
Mutual respect and equality exist between you.
1:14:20
Okay.
1:14:23
And the two of cups appears reversed.
1:14:34
It may mean a partnership takes a while to get going or that you run into obstacles.
1:14:39
Or that all your partners keep ditching you.
1:14:41
Yeah.
1:14:42
Exactly.
1:14:43
In some cases, it indicates dwindling affection, inequality or a lack of supportiveness in
1:14:52
a relationship.
1:14:53
You're going to love this.
1:14:55
In a reading about money, the reverse to can signify an uneven investment of resources.
1:15:03
Oh, wow.
1:15:05
It can represent complications or a delay in receiving money, especially from a joint
1:15:12
venture trust divorce settlement or legacy, which, oh, they get any of those describes.
1:15:19
Oh, hi.
1:15:20
Nice.
1:15:21
Yeah.
1:15:22
If the reading is about your job, this card may mean you don't feel a business partner as pulling
1:15:28
his or her weight or you don't get the support you desire.
1:15:34
You don't get that look out, you know?
1:15:37
Or you're get away driver's use opening the trunk.
1:15:40
It goes over.
1:15:41
It goes over speed bumps.
1:15:45
Oh, God.
1:15:46
Oh, God.
1:15:51
It can also point to a lack of cooperation in your workplace.
1:15:56
In a reading about love, the reverse to sometimes represents a secretly a's on holy shit.
1:16:02
Didn't you have like a child bride?
1:16:04
Yeah.
1:16:05
Not a bride, but yeah.
1:16:06
Or it may point to a period of disharmony or cooling affection.
1:16:11
Perhaps there's a lack of balance or equality in a relationship.
1:16:15
Yeah, I mean, I'd say so.
1:16:18
She's a home tended to your chillance and you are in Vegas with your child not bride and
1:16:26
a bunch of buddies.
1:16:27
You.
1:16:28
You.
1:16:29
You.
1:16:30
You.
1:16:31
Apparently, he made up for it if they're still together.
1:16:35
Yeah.
1:16:36
Well, it's hope so.
1:16:38
I just hope she's okay.
1:16:39
And this whole thing.
1:16:40
Yeah.
1:16:41
I hope she's okay.
1:16:42
And the kids.
1:16:43
Yeah.
1:16:44
Exactly.
1:16:45
I'm just realizing I meant to tell my story before we did the tarot.
1:16:53
Oh, it's really short.
1:16:56
So I'll just say this before we sign off.
1:17:00
I actually worked at Washington, Mutual or WAMU if you're nice before it was bought out by
1:17:09
Chase.
1:17:12
In this very time period, actually, during the 2008, 2009 kind of that period of time during
1:17:21
the sort of financial crisis that many of us remember and not fondly.
1:17:29
And I actually was there and I was next to a teller that was robbed.
1:17:36
Oh, God.
1:17:38
My experience with a bank robbery is that I did not know that we had been robbed until
1:17:48
people started closing the bank doors.
1:17:52
And I was like, oh, just going on.
1:17:57
It is midday.
1:17:58
Oh, I didn't know that.
1:18:01
I didn't know that.
1:18:03
And the teller that I worked with, he tried to give the guy the bait money and he tried pushing
1:18:14
his button and it turned out that his, they don't call it like a, I don't think they call
1:18:19
a panic button, but it's like a button that's supposed to kind of like alert the authorities.
1:18:28
And his wasn't working.
1:18:30
Oh, God.
1:18:33
Yes, this particular gentleman had actually robbed a number of banks in the area and he
1:18:42
was eventually caught.
1:18:44
I will say this, all of his robberies, he walked away with, I think, less than $5,000 from each
1:18:55
and every single one of them.
1:18:57
Oh, wow.
1:18:59
Nice.
1:19:00
Yeah, because what happens is you walk up to a teller with a note as this person did and
1:19:08
you just say, you know, give me the money or however you want to word it.
1:19:12
And this is not a suggestion or tip.
1:19:15
This is just how it tends to go down.
1:19:19
And that person is kind of trying to just act normal because again, like we talked about,
1:19:24
they have no idea if you're armed.
1:19:26
They have no idea what your intentions are beyond obviously trying to take money from the
1:19:32
bank.
1:19:34
And luckily, I mean, everybody was fine.
1:19:38
It was a little bit like, I think, you know, people feel a little bit shaken after that.
1:19:43
Yeah.
1:19:44
I will say this.
1:19:45
The most upsetting part of the entire experience is that the policy of the particular financial
1:19:54
institution that I worked for at the time.
1:19:57
I can't remember if it was Wamu or if it was Chase at this point.
1:20:01
So probably they have the same policy.
1:20:03
But if you were on shift when a robbery occurred, you could make the choice as a team to just
1:20:15
go ahead and take the rest of the day off and it would be paid.
1:20:20
My team opted out.
1:20:22
Why?
1:20:23
They were like, yeah, no, let's just go back to work.
1:20:27
Why?
1:20:28
It's paid.
1:20:30
Yeah.
1:20:31
That doesn't make any sense.
1:20:34
It really does, because they're going to pay you either way.
1:20:37
And honestly, even though nobody's holding a gun in your face, it is a little bit traumatizing
1:20:42
to realize that someone came in with that sort of intention and was in your space.
1:20:48
And we used to make that decision for everybody.
1:20:51
Like everyone reacts to things differently.
1:20:53
Literally everyone else decided pretty much to go back to work.
1:20:58
I think there was one other person that was kind of like quietly in the background, like
1:21:02
me being one.
1:21:03
I mean, we could just take the day.
1:21:06
I'm like, fuck you guys.
1:21:07
I'm going to go have a min TV.
1:21:09
Yeah.
1:21:10
Bye.
1:21:11
Yeah.
1:21:12
Yeah.
1:21:13
But I guess, I don't know.
1:21:15
Maybe it was like you could do it as an individual and it didn't have to be like the whole
1:21:19
branch closest down.
1:21:20
I have no idea.
1:21:21
This was so many years ago, but yeah, I feel like it should be on an individual basis.
1:21:27
Not like the whole branch has to take a vote and it has to be like unanimous.
1:21:31
Yeah.
1:21:32
Also, it wouldn't have been unanimous.
1:21:34
Yeah.
1:21:35
Because your girl would have taken a few hours off.
1:21:38
Damn, that sucks.
1:21:40
We're like halfway through the shift for most of us.
1:21:43
It was kind of like, do they at least like get you guys one?
1:21:46
Try like don't.
1:21:47
No, that's our subject.
1:21:50
And yes, again, I realize nothing violent or obviously traumatizing happened, but like
1:21:57
the company policy is to like, if you want to, you can take the rest of the day.
1:22:03
And here's the thing.
1:22:05
As awful as it is and I certainly wouldn't compare my experience to someone who has been
1:22:10
in like a more aggressive bank robbery.
1:22:15
I will say this, there was something so unsettling about having been present for this thing that's
1:22:25
taking place and having really like no idea.
1:22:30
Like you're in danger, but you don't know.
1:22:32
So the now you're at every time you're at work, you're like, am I in danger right now?
1:22:36
Right.
1:22:37
I could be.
1:22:38
Am I in your shot right now?
1:22:39
Probably.
1:22:40
Yeah.
1:22:41
Hopefully not.
1:22:42
And that was a branch that was very conveniently located to a major highway.
1:22:48
Oh, yeah.
1:22:49
I should stop doing that.
1:22:51
You may be familiar with it.
1:22:52
It's called the To Well, Jim Valley Highway.
1:22:56
Oh, yeah.
1:22:57
Steele, so I've been, I've been there.
1:23:00
Yeah.
1:23:01
You've seen it.
1:23:02
I had phones keep slipping.
1:23:04
I really, I'm losing it over here.
1:23:07
No, no.
1:23:08
I know.
1:23:09
She's losing her hair.
1:23:10
Did you finish all of the.
1:23:11
I did.
1:23:12
Yeah.
1:23:13
Are you going to read us from the little butt?
1:23:15
Let's see what this says.
1:23:16
It is.
1:23:17
Usually these are kind of like toward the upright.
1:23:20
So they are.
1:23:21
Yeah.
1:23:22
It might be like a little lovey, but I'll just like glance at it.
1:23:26
I feel like I had one more thing to say and I can't remember what it was.
1:23:30
Oh, shoot.
1:23:31
Well, I probably just rambled on and I don't know.
1:23:33
No, no, no, it was like.
1:23:35
What were we talking about right before your story?
1:23:38
Oh, God.
1:23:39
This is a memory quiz right now.
1:23:42
Yeah, well, I think you know already that I fail.
1:23:46
These are violet green swallows.
1:23:50
So like there's a lot of green on the thing.
1:23:52
Green on the thing.
1:23:54
Green because money.
1:23:56
Green because you know, he loves money.
1:24:00
Yeah.
1:24:01
It's kind of like an invisible string lovers meet type of deal with this little thing.
1:24:07
I'm sorry.
1:24:08
Did you say invisible string?
1:24:09
Yeah.
1:24:10
As in Taylor Swift's.
1:24:11
Yeah.
1:24:12
A visible string song.
1:24:13
Is that it?
1:24:14
Do you want me to read this?
1:24:15
I don't know.
1:24:16
I mean, it relates to the pod because Taylor Swift.
1:24:23
Let's just do it.
1:24:24
It's for fun.
1:24:25
I'll read it.
1:24:26
If it's too long.
1:24:27
If people want to hear it, they can, you know, not listen.
1:24:29
Right.
1:24:30
You could go away.
1:24:31
The swallows is.
1:24:33
Is it as with an apostrophe?
1:24:37
How do you say that?
1:24:38
Swallows.
1:24:39
Just swallows.
1:24:40
Yeah.
1:24:41
Are you sure it's not swallows?
1:24:42
Yeah.
1:24:43
Pretty sure.
1:24:44
How many times can I say swallows?
1:24:46
Oh, I don't know.
1:24:48
The swallows paths crossed.
1:24:51
I said paths really good that time.
1:24:54
And everything changed for them both.
1:24:56
Had the wind not carried her a little further than she'd planned to go that day or had yesterday's
1:25:02
storm not forced him to land early.
1:25:04
They would never have encountered one another.
1:25:07
It's kind of like the unhoused guy being like at the right place at the right time.
1:25:13
Yeah.
1:25:14
Well, and I think too, it's like all of these little, I mean, all of these invisible streams,
1:25:21
like all of these things that it's, you know, it's a series of events, right, where Anthony
1:25:27
really like, I mean, he could have gone away with this.
1:25:30
But there's like things drawing back to him.
1:25:35
And I don't know.
1:25:37
Okay.
1:25:38
I'm going to let you finish.
1:25:39
He couldn't quite cut all of the red strings back to him.
1:25:41
Yeah.
1:25:42
The red conspiracy string.
1:25:43
The red strings.
1:25:44
Not invisible at all.
1:25:45
Not invisible.
1:25:46
Not invisible.
1:25:47
DBTuber.
1:25:48
Had he not Twitter loudly as he sun bathed, they would never have collected grass or twigs
1:25:58
or feathers together.
1:26:00
Had she not swooped past at precisely the right moment to catch his showy display, they
1:26:06
would not later shape their turning the page.
1:26:11
Their collection into a cup in that hollow fur.
1:26:15
Interesting.
1:26:16
Oh, like, I see.
1:26:19
They're like stashing things.
1:26:21
Oh, okay.
1:26:22
Okay.
1:26:23
That makes sense.
1:26:24
And so it's like, okay, that makes me think like to just the idea popped into my head of like
1:26:31
a nest egg.
1:26:32
Oh, yeah.
1:26:33
And like, there's this young family.
1:26:35
And the two of them just have like this incredible connection where, you know, she's
1:26:41
released it by him over the years.
1:26:44
Yeah.
1:26:45
Well, and he's like trying to like collect this money and like hide it away.
1:26:48
But then the reason I kind of got sidetracked because I was like his showy display.
1:26:54
You know, yeah, fucking showy display.
1:26:58
Oh, God.
1:27:01
Had her first return display to him, not complemented the choreography of his own, they
1:27:07
would never have bonded or laid eggs or incubated them or hunted for insects to feed their
1:27:14
brood.
1:27:15
Oh, he was hunting for insects, you guys to feed his brood.
1:27:20
Yeah.
1:27:21
Plus some little other.
1:27:23
Some other extra curriculars.
1:27:26
But all those things conspired to occur, whether through chance, serendipity, or fate, their
1:27:34
paths didn't just cross, they converged.
1:27:38
Converged.
1:27:39
Yeah.
1:27:40
I feel like that's a great word.
1:27:41
Yeah.
1:27:42
Oh boy.
1:27:43
That was good.
1:27:44
Okay.
1:27:45
That was good.
1:27:46
I'm glad to read that.
1:27:47
Yeah.
1:27:48
Me too.
1:27:49
Well, it's better than I thought it would be.
1:27:52
Sometimes they're a little like fluffy.
1:27:54
Yeah.
1:27:55
That was better.
1:27:56
Yeah.
1:27:57
How good was it?
1:27:58
It was so good.
1:27:59
It was so good.
1:28:00
I do have a little like Patreon mini-sode, just some little like add on things that I found
1:28:08
related to this case that only fit in neatly and we're probably already running long
1:28:15
for this episode.
1:28:16
So I'm going to take this over to the page.
1:28:20
Okay.
1:28:21
The Pates.
1:28:22
The Pates.
1:28:23
I don't know.
1:28:24
The Pates.
1:28:25
I've heard people call Patreon the Pates.
1:28:26
You know what?
1:28:27
It's a thing.
1:28:28
Okay.
1:28:29
You know what?
1:28:30
I was thinking the other day of like what's a cool like word for Patreon that's like not taken.
1:28:34
Yeah.
1:28:35
I don't know why I was just like randomly cleaning and just like thinking about you guys.
1:28:39
I'm like how cool you are and you deserve a cool name.
1:28:43
So I don't know.
1:28:44
I didn't know.
1:28:45
I didn't know.
1:28:46
Like it came up with nothing.
1:28:47
But I hear what was shit.
1:28:48
I was shivering about you.
1:28:49
I was like, what?
1:28:50
The thought count.
1:28:51
It's the best of intentions like for a real though.
1:28:57
Like we can call them like, I didn't really have anything in mind.
1:29:03
She's like, I got nothing.
1:29:05
I was like, even if I start to say something will come to happen.
1:29:09
So what's that happen?
1:29:10
Yeah.
1:29:11
I mean sometimes it works that way and then sometimes it really, really don't.
1:29:15
Yeah.
1:29:16
I love it.
1:29:20
We've had some pretty good luck coming across like fun nicknames for different things.
1:29:25
And yeah.
1:29:26
I'm sure we'll come up with something.
1:29:28
For now you're just our creepypay trail people and that's you know, your CPP that's fine.
1:29:34
CPP.
1:29:35
CPP.
1:29:36
I'm dead.
1:29:37
We have to go.
1:29:38
All right.
1:29:39
Look at that.
1:29:40
I'm just I'm going to take the time.
1:29:41
I'm dead.
1:29:48
We have to go.
1:29:51
All right.
1:29:52
I'm just I'm going to devolve into giggles.
1:29:53
They won't be like, they're not camera ready.
1:29:54
Okay.
1:29:55
Let's say that we think that we think that we think.
1:29:57
Let's let's do our thing that we think she's really on a thing right now.
1:30:03
Have a creepy ass day
1:30:04
See you next Tuesday or whenever you go to tubing.
1:30:10
I was going to say like unless you like missed your stop on the inner tube and you just like
1:30:16
have floating out into the ocean, the ocean, your one bag of money because you lost the
1:30:21
other.
1:30:23
And then you just live amongst the fishes and you turn into a merman.
1:30:28
I don't know like maybe you do just like stop off when you hit the sand wands.
1:30:32
I don't know.
1:30:33
Where's that?
1:30:35
It's like the the sand one islands are in the future sound.
1:30:39
Can you be a mermaid there?
1:30:41
I mean, yeah, you can do whatever you want.
1:30:43
Okay.
1:30:44
I really think that if you just keep going on the inner tube and make it to the ocean because
1:30:49
all cricks lead to the ocean and then you turn into a merman and live with all your
1:30:54
monies under the sea under the sea.
1:30:58
And then your areals down.
1:31:01
That's how that origin story happened.
1:31:04
Okay, so DB tuber and King Triton one in the same.
1:31:11
Yes.
1:31:12
Okay, you heard it your first.
1:31:13
Good DB tuber is King Triton.
1:31:17
If that isn't a little Easter egg, I don't know what else.
1:31:20
I don't even try.
1:31:21
I know.
1:31:22
I was like she just got it on the brain.
1:31:26
Okay.
1:31:27
Bye.
1:31:28
Bye.
1:31:29
I don't know.
1:31:39
I feel like I really just need to see the song screen to understand.
1:31:42
I know.
1:31:43
I really do.
1:31:44
I need a visual representation of this nonsense.
1:31:48
Who should direct it?
1:31:50
I don't know directors.
1:31:52
I don't know.
1:31:53
What's the big one?
1:31:54
Not good.
1:31:55
I don't know.
1:31:56
M. Night?
1:31:57
No, no. Quentin Tarantino?
1:32:00
I feel like those two maybe not.
1:32:02
Okay.
1:32:03
Who's the guy that did Nightmare before Christmas?
1:32:06
Tim Burton.
1:32:07
Tim Burton.
1:32:08
He wrote it.
1:32:09
I don't know.
1:32:10
I mean, I don't know.
1:32:12
I got a whimsical.
1:32:14
Yeah, it would.
1:32:15
Well, it's pretty whimsical all in its own. (pnwhauntsandhomicides.com) (hauntsandhomicidespod.com)