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Gutsy Women- Sandi Adams · UK Column Radio

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Well, good afternoon to the UK column listeners. I'm very very pleased to
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be here with another gutsy woman, Sandy Adams, And after a little bit
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of time not speaking to each other, we had a telephone conversation and I
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thought she would be an ideal candidate for one of these little informal chats really
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about what makes somebody stand up to be counted and become an activist and do
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things that very often require some real courage guts really in order to challenge and
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take on the system. So Sandy, I'm going to say a really big
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thank you for agreeing to give up a bit of your time and speak to
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me. Oh, it's a pleasure, Brian, it's pleasure to speak.
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Thank you. Well, where should we start, bit is that in these
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in these chats, what I'd like to do is find out a little bit
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about you so that we give people a little picture of who you are,
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obviously just as far as you feel comfortable with. But of course I met
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you when you were already pretty active. You were you've done a lot of
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research on a gender twenty thirty and you were starting to speak out on it
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and give talk. So I think I've always known you as being a pretty
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gutsy, outspoken person. But can you tell us a little bit about yourself
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and how you went from being I'm going to use that terrible word and say
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normal. You went from being normal to being a gutsy woman and being active.
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How did that happen? Well, to be honest, I don't think
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I've ever really been normal. I think I tried to conform a bit,
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but I've never really really eyes now that I've always had that fire within me
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to challenge in question, and you know, to a degree, I've always
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done that. I remember I remember being in the theater and there was a
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strike at the National Theater and standing on the picket line and we all got
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arrested and stuff like that, because you know, there's always been things that
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I thought were not right, and that they were going to sack a whole
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load of stage hands that had been working in the theater for donkeys' years and
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had families to support, and because everything was automated that we moved into the
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National Theater from the old VIC and you know, everything was automated, so
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they got rid of all these people and I thought this isn't right. But
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anyway, all ended It all ended in the High Courts with Lord Denning ruling
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that police could break up picket lines and that you could get to sack for
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withdrawing your labor. And I was horrified and I felt a great injustice and
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I went to work in a zoo after that because I was so fed up
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with human beings. So that was that was me when I was probably in
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my I was probably about twenty nineteen twenty. Yeah, yeah, so it
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was it a theater. Did you aim for a theater career when you were
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at school? Well, yeah, that was another thing. When I was
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at school, all the girls did you know you either you either sort of
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left and married a rich man, which I didn't want to do, or
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you learnt shorthand and typing, or you did you did a degree. And
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I was very good at art. So I ended up going to art school
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just to get away from home, really, and I went to London to
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art schooling and I studied theater design because I loved theater and I loved design,
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so I sort of amalgamated the two and I became as you know,
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I trained as a set designer and that's what I worked in for many I
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worked at the Old VIC and a National Theater and various other rep theaters and
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all sorts of things. And I worked in at the English National Opera,
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you know, doing backdrops, and the Old VIC I did backdrops, and
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English National Opera I did prop making and backdrops and stuff. So it was
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just a lovely it was a lovely way of life. I enjoyed it,
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but it had it was very badly paid in those days. And I think
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as soon as I got to the point where I wanted to, you know,
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I got married and had children and we had a mortgage to pay.
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My ex my husband at the time, was working in what they then called
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industrial theater, and it was corporate. It was corporate live events and corporate
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installations. They called it corporate live events. So I kind of migrated into
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that world, which I found deeply unsatisfactory. So yes, because I started
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working for the big, big money people and I just got it. I
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wasn't happy doing that, you know, it was for me, it was
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it was working with I just saw a different side to the world. I
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think because it was in that time, in the sort of eighties and nineties
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where the whole corporate thing was becoming huge and particularly with the events industry,
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and you know, working with clients like Glaxo Smith, Clein and and I
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didn't realize I didn't realize they were bad at first, you know, Glaxo
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Smith, Cline and Google and Microsoft and another one called Gartners that I was
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working with that they're into really data selling data. So it just was an
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eye opener, you know, I met, I met certain people that I
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suddenly thought, no, I don't like this world. That is quite a
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big and it's an interesting change. I mean, in my in my lifetime,
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I've met a few people involved with the theater and the thing that I
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always picked up from them is that they clearly did it because they loved the
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job. I think the pay's probably always been poor. But you say to
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them, you know, why do you do it? You work these terrible
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hours, and they say, because we love doing it. And when we're
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in a production that goes well and you see people enjoying what we're doing,
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that's a huge buzz for us. We get a lot of enjoyment out of
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it. So to go from those sort of people to what do we describe
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them as suited, big, cooperate people, that's a huge change. Isn't
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it. It was. It was a big change, and you know,
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suddenly having meetings in boardrooms full of suits, and these people think very differently,
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you know. I remember having a conversation with some people from Blacks Smith
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Klein and I actually hit walked out of the meeting because they were talking about
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treating the ioviedic market. I mean horrible language like that, you know,
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penetrating the you know, the ividic medicine market in India that means sort of
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like replacing it with pharmaceuticals. And that really made me made my blood boil.
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I couldn't I couldn't bear it. That is quite an incredible one,
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isn't it. But I also have to say the same that in why you
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know, the early half of my life and my time in the military,
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I did my job and believed a lot of things because of what I read
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and saw in the media around me. But it was only later when you
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really start to look at maybe some of the things that the military was doing
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then, and and then you look at the big corporations you start to think
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this is not right, or you get the sense that it's not nice.
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Absolutely you do. You just get it's almost like I don't know what it
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is like in a compass. You know, I've found that my inner compass
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has become more astute, you know, as as I've got older. You
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know, I can tell a mile if somebody isn't isn't you know, trustworthy
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or it's a very handy tool. Actually it's a very important one as well
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as because you sense that particularly well, we can, we can. We
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could see it particularly strongly during COVID plandemic and the lockdown. But the you
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know, the government telling us in their little three three word messages that that
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we had to trust the government to keep us safe, when in fact,
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for every adult in this country, the first first person they should trust to
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keep them safe is is themselves and that and they should be using their own
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intuition. Yes, indeed, you know this is it. We we we've
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kind of you know, we don't listen to our in a voice sometimes,
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and learning how to trust that is is you know, it's quite challenging,
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but once you start doing it, you realize that it's there for a reason.
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It's to guide you, to guide you to do the right action,
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all the right questions. Yeah, and I'm going to have to bring this
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up because the first time I heard you say it, I was fascinated.
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And I know there will still be many people that won't have heard you talking
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about this, but at one point in your sort of corporate life, you
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met the famous Bill Gates. I did. I did. It was a
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long time ago. It was in the early early to mid I can't even
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remember. It's all a blur, but it was in the early two thousands.
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I was working for a company in Chelsea Harbor and we what, you
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know what. The producer that I was working with one this account with Microsoft,
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and it was to create First of all, it was to create something
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called Microsoft Home. And we took over a big house in notting Hill that
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belonged to a billionaire. It was one of those beautiful houses that looked like
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a doll's house, you know, square sort of Georgian or Regencies or whatever.
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It was very beautiful, looked like a doll's house. And turn it
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into you know, we took all the furniture output into storage. Transform this
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house into a connected house. It had to all be everything had to be
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intelligently connected and to the point where it had an intelligent sort of interwiring that
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made everything speak to each other it's a bit like the Internet of Things,
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but in a house. And this was the beginnings of what I think.
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It was almost like trialing on a small scale what you know, what was
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intended for the world. So you know, they were in there sort of
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making every thing, you know, intelligent fridges, intelligent heating systems. You
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could even turn the bath on on your way home so that you had a
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nice hot bath. You could turn the cooker on, you could. Everything
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was was, you know, all singing, all dancing, and it was
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a great success. And obviously the you know, the Gates Foundation of Microsoft
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rail that. I don't know whether the Gates Foundation were working then. I
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suppose they were, I don't know, but Microsoft were very happy with it,
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and so they gave them another contract which was to do this this it
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was called Microsoft Life Life Squared. It was Microsoft Life Squared, it was
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called. And I was asked to do all the interior, the exterior and
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interior design for this for this installation. And so it required finding a venue
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that would create a London square, and we took over a school in Chelsea.
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It had actually been a school then I think Chelsea Art School had taken
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over and then they'd moved into a new building, so it was empty and
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it had a big playground in the middle, and I had to transform that
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into a London square, put railings in and treat you know, lampposts and
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grass, had hydroponic grass that grew on carpet and all sorts of stretch things.
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I didn't have to excavate the actual tarmac, but we did excavate and
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put trees in, and all the buildings around became There was a cafe,
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a house, a business, and obviously a place for all the delegates to
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go, and all the geeks, all the Microsoft you know, people that
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are going to buy this software were going to go and sort of try it
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out in this big space. And to be honest, I didn't really understand
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all the geeks would come in. Once I'd designed everything and everything was decorated
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and carpeted and looking beautiful, all the geeks would come in halfway through and
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put all the all the all the sort of wiring in and then I'd have
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to sort of gloss over it afterwards. So it was it was an interesting
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time, but I didn't at that time, I wasn't fully aware of the
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implications of all this apart from the fact that it seemed like this is this
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is what our future would be. And and they had intelligent car in the
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in the square and it had GPS, and of course in those days we
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hadn't got GPS. To me, it was like, you know, this
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sort of extraordinary technology. So I I just sort of carried on with that,
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and then Bill Gates was was flown in to look at it. They
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were so impressed with it. He came over and he was very happy with
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it, and he got interviewed by Trevor MacDonald on the sofa in the house
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that I created. And yeah, we all had to meet him and shake
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hands and say hi. But I didn't really get a very nice feeling when
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I met him at all. I just I just thought, what a funny,
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strange man he was. He was very aloof, very strange. Yeah,
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I just didn't get a good feeling. And I realized that at that
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time I was beginning to question everything, and I realized that there was something
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a bit odd about this whole environment that we created. It was all too
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it was all too reliant on technology. And I kept thinking, well,
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what if it all goes right? What if the world was like this and
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it all went wrong. And I think I think at the time, I
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was beginning to look at look at the whole climate change thing, and you
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know, I was beginning to just really question the narrative of everything, which
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I've always done, and yeah, I just thought, this is this is
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all a bit peculiar. And I think as time went on, I was
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working for other big corporates. I worked for Google, and I met Eric
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Schmidt and Gerald Cohen at the time, and I was just a I mean,
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I was doing this summit in I think it was Ireland, it was
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Dublin. It was in Dublin, and it was an ac acronym. It
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was the Summit against Violent Extremism. It's called SAVE. And I could not
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get my head around this summit because I thought this is very peculiar, because
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they had invited all these ex terrorists to explain how they had organized themselves on
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the internet. And to me, this was very bizarre because you know,
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they've got people from ira and from Islamic terrorist organizations who had apparently reformed,
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and it was clear to me. I don't know, it's only sort of
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clear to me a while afterwards, because I was asking some of my colleagues.
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Don't you think this is a very weird thing that Google are doing?
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Why are they? Why have they got all these ex terrorists talking about the
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way they organize themselves on the Internet. And I realized afterwards, I mean,
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as I as I went into doing all my research, that it was
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really how do you how do you organize? How do domestic terrorists organize themselves
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over the Internet? And it was their way of, you know, working
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out a censorship program. And that's that kind of made get you know,
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made me feel a bit strange. And I met Eric Schmidt in the bar
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and he talked about how he flew into New York every week to meet to
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meet what's his name, George Bush? And I thought, why would you
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do that? You know, because I've got I've really understood what nine to
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eleven was about, because I think nine to eleven was my biggest wake up
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call, as it was for most people. Are you able to give us
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even a rough date? When? When? When when did the save?
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The save? Now let me have do you know, I've still got a
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link book with it. It's probably about two thousand and two, thy ten.
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Maybe I'm just trying to remember and maybe I can find it on here.
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Well you're sort of thinking about that, I'll just say if it is,
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it is about that period. We had a lot of stuff coming in
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around about that period, maybe a bit later, because we had all of
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the prevent strategy, for example, So all of a sudden, the British
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government was talking a lot about terrorism and counter terrorism and programs in order to
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make sure that young people weren't going to be drawn into terrorism. That's what
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comes into my mind. So interesting a quick Google search because all of that
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period, because I was going also through a very bad marriage breakup, I
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sort of you know how you block it out, but let me just find
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it. It's s A V Summit summit. I'm just sorry just putting it
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in. It's fine. What a service this is for our audience that we're
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we're doing live research in order to give them the best information possible. I
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think it's brilliant. Right here we go, Let's try to say summer to
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get to violent extreme, it held in Dubling in summer of twenty eleven.
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There you are, Yeah, so you were more or less put on with
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that? Yeah? And this this absolutely you know, for me, this
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just figures that we had all of this amazing counter terrorism stuff all piling in
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and what was it really doing. I think it was making people fearful,
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and which we just admit to our audience that are with us that we were
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chatting a little bit before we got started on the recorded part of this this
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chat, and we very quickly were talking about the fact we're feeling the government
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wants to make us feel frightened all the time. Yes, I mean,
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I think this is this is it. It's about us not being so scared
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that we can't see our own strength and we can't see our own power in
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standing up to all of this. Because if you've got a bully, and
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they are they are bullies. You know these you know, the the w
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F and and the u N and all all our governments that are going along
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with this, our bullies. They bullied people into the into taking a you
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know, you know, something that will be very bad for their health.
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You know, we we've the bullying thing. It's really about disempowering people,
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and I think that's what we're living with at the moment. Yeah, I
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would agree on that, And there's there's a lot to talk about. Just
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going down that avenue while while you were doing your little bit of research there.
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I just called up part of the UK column News that that I did
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on Monday, because i'd specifically drawn people's attention back to dear Old David Cameron.
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Sorry, I'll qualify that Cameron talking about hard military force being needed in
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Syria, but also talking about the danger of isl they were the Islamic terrorists,
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and then he went on to warn of a terrible iceol attack on Britain.
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And then we had Prevent, which I'd mentioned a few minutes ago,
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which was departmental advice for schools and childcare providers. But essentially you're targeting children
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with very heavy concepts, so to identify the children who could be potential terrorists,
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what you're actually doing is frightening the pants off all the rest of the
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children. And then we had Channel protecting vulnerable people from being drawn into terrorism.
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And ultimately the one that I've always been deeply unhappy about is MAPPER,
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the multi agency public protection arrangements whereby I think there's sixty three MAPPER cells across
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the country and they they take just a total information on people who may be
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suspected of committing a crime. The police are involved, local authorities Mental health
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NHS and they're essentially spying on the public. Yes, it's like pre crime.
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You're guilty before indeed, So Sandy, you use I'll tease you a
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bit here because you started off saying, well, you got involved in some
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of the protests that the theater people were involved in, so that was that
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you started to maybe smell a rat with your involvement in the big corporate world.
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And my good is fascinating to hear about you meeting Bill Gates and others.
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So this starts you off thinking that something isn't right, and you just
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said to us that it was the sort of I think you've said the Agenda
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twenty thirty and the environmental agenda which started to get you thinking. I think
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I read I read James Delingpole's Watermelons. I think it was around the same
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time that I was doing that Save Summit thing, and I began to see
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the link between environmentalism and the United Nations sort of pushing this whole narrative of
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environmentalism. And then I read Rosa Correy's book Behind the Green Mask, and
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she specifically speaks about I mean, I think James did talk about agenda twenty
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one because it was Agenda twenty one, though it wasn't twenty thirty because that's
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just a goal and that Hampton twenty fifteen. But I think it was Rosa
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Cory's book. After reading Watermelons, I read Rosa Corry's book. I think
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she Hers was published around the same time, probably twenty eleven, and I
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sort of really did a deep dive into Agenda twenty one and realized that it
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was accelerating very fast in America and that they were beginning to push back sort
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of just post you know, Rosa publishing behind the Green Mask, and I
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just suddenly started looking at Agenda twenty one because she said it's in every town
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council in America, and then I started doing research and realizing that actually it's
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in every town council in England as well. Under Italy, it's the Italy
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is the International Committee for Environmental and Local Initiatives. So it was really the
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kind of common purpose that came into all of our town council around that time,
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around sort of twenty eleven twenty twelve. So they were pushing environmentalism as
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the reason for control then, and that had all come out of the Earth
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Summit obviously in nineteen ninety two, but by sort of, you know,
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mid to mid to late two thousands, it was really being pushed in each
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town council to adopt these green policies where our money you go to. Yeah,
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so you discover these these things, Sandy, what would you say?
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Well, can you think of something that you might say to us? Was
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the first time you decided to actually as a result of all your research and
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your understanding, you decided to stand up and do something. Well, I
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think it was I'd left the corporate world, I've gone through a divorce and
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my children at university, and I taken up a sort of community pub that
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was going to be closed in Glastonbury and I had a venue room there.
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And I can't remember when. I think when was it that you came to
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Glastonbury. It was it twenty fourteen, I can't remember. And we did
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a big thing in the town hall with John Hurst and I think it was
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the article sixty one guy David Robinson and Lance was said, I've done a
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couple of probably i've done three, two or three events that I've done in
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Glastonbury. So I just say what I do. Remember that at the end
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of it, some of us went back to a pub. There was a
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lovely little beer garden off to one side, and we went out there and
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a man started playing the flute. And it's interesting, isn't it how you
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work? But it was it was summer time, so it was it was
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very warm the name time, and we were just destressing after the event,
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and we sat out in this little beer garden and then this man started playing
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the flute and it was just absolutely beautiful. Ah that could have been because
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it was. It was quite a music keeper. But I do remember that
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that event because I think you brought Melanie. Oh yes, yes, yeah,
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so. But I what had happened is I'd started to I've met Lance,
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who was a friend of yours for many years. Do you remember?
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Lance was an absolute brain and I was fermenting all my ideas about I've read
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Behind the Green Mask, I'd read Agenda twenty one, I'd read you know,
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sort of James jenning Pole's Watermelons, and I suddenly thought, do you
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know I met Lance and he said, I decided off my own back to
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do a talk at the glass Y Positive Living group. And I can't even
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remember what year it was, and there was a sign outside the town hall
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saying, Sandy Adams speaking about Agenda twenty one. Nobody knew what it was,
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obviously, and Lance came in and said, I've never heard anyone speak
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about Agenda twenty one, and I know all about it. And he was
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an absolute brain, Lance Turnbull, and sadly he took his own life,
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probably I don't know, before lockdown, just before lockdown, because you know,
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he got himself into it, as a lot of people do who are
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in our movement, got himself into a bit of a hole, thinking that
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there was no way out of it all. And he always used to say,
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Blondie, it's up to you. And I always hear his voice now
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whenever I go and do something. It's Blondie, It's up to you,
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he used to say. But I just feel that. But he you know,
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he had an amazing brain and knew all about just about every aspect of
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Agenda twenty one. He had even done a timeline from eighteen seventy five that
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he gave me and I've still got it, a timeline of Agenda twenty one
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going right from the biosphere and the Newer sphere projects in the eighteen hundreds,
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and the whole sort of you know, guia principle, and it was just
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fascinating. He was a wonderful man. And I also met David Robinson who
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was talking about Articles sixty one and how that can be used very successfully.
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And I have to say, you know, we did use it very successfully,
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and it's a tool that at the moment not many people are looking at.
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But I haven't got time to sort of follow that route at the moment.
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I hope somebody takes it up. But yeah, it was there,
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and I did this talk at the Positive Living Group and then I think I
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then went and did another talk at Sunrise Festival. And it wasn't Sunrise the
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Green Gathering or something. It was years ago or was it the Secret Garden.
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It wasn't the Secret Garden, it was it was somewhere it was I
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think it was Sunrise. I think it was Sunrise Festival. It was in
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Wales, and I was my friend was running the speakers tent, Sean Kerwin,
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he was avalon Rising. He ran the speakers tent and he said would
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you come and talk about this agenda twenty one you keep talking about So I
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said, yeah, okay, And I didn't realize. But Peers Corbyn and
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Mark Windows were speaking there as well, and I listened, They listened to
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what I was saying, and they said, your talk fits very well in
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with us, because I think Mark was doing communitarianism and Peers was doing obviously
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weather and the three all kind of it was almost like the dovetailed together.
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And they said, would you come on a tour with us of England doing
30:02
you know, weekends And I said, well, I'm running a pub,
30:04
but weekends I've got staff obviously, and yes I can do that. And
30:10
it was very peculiar because we we did go off on tour in this Campa
30:14
van with Peers on the top shelf snoring and Mark down one end and me
30:18
down the other. And it was very funny, you know, it was
30:22
very bizarre, bizarre thing to do, but go all around the country talking
30:26
about these issues, and it was almost like we were planting little seeds,
30:32
little seeds of what was to come. And we finished that that sort of
30:40
all of that part of you know, the wake up process literally just before
30:45
COVID, and it came to a sort of natural end because I was,
30:51
you know, we were all fed up with each other to be honest,
30:56
because you know, you do that for long enough and you know you just
30:59
get you just think, oh, I don't want to do another weekend doing
31:00
that. And as much as I you know, I admire what Peers does,
31:06
you know, sometimes you know, working with people, you've got personalities,
31:10
and you know Peers would never be anywhere on time, and you know
31:14
it's he's a lovely bloke. I love him to bits and still do.
31:17
But and Mark, you know, sometimes went over and you didn't get time
31:22
to do your bit. So it all kind of came to a natural end,
31:25
which was great. And then and then COVID kicked in and that was
31:30
really when I think I knew immediately what it was, and I knew that
31:37
it was acceleration of Agenda twenty what was by then the seventeen goals of Agenda
31:44
twenty thirty, because the climate change hadn't worked, the whole climate change thing,
31:49
you know, wasn't wasn't strong enough to get everybody captured. And of
31:55
course, uh, the you know, you know that Good and Clow Schwab
32:00
had signed the Strategic Framework Partnership Document in Geneva in twenty nineteen in June,
32:08
and then in twenty nineteen. Again in November, they'd got together, you
32:13
know, in the Johns Hopkins facility in New York to present the tabletop Exercise
32:19
Event two one, where they had this whole scenario about what if scenario about
32:25
what if a novel coronavirus escaped from a wet market in Brazil. It was
32:30
Brazil in this tabletop exercise, and of course Bill Gates is there as well.
32:36
He's been invited this time with Milinda, and they're saying, well,
32:39
yes, we've got a vaccine, we can deal with it. And literally
32:44
that was November twenty nineteen, and the rest is history really because whilst we
32:50
were asleep, this whole lockdown really was to keep us asleep and locked up
32:58
while they put the infrastructure in. All the infrastructure went in, for the
33:02
for the biometrics and supermarkets, for the five G towers, the the LED
33:10
lump posts, the upgrade of everything to facilitate, you know, this this
33:19
huge technocratic takeover of our world. And this was global. So while the
33:24
globe was asleep, the infrastructure went in. I think that's a very powerful
33:30
assessment. I also watched as stuff unfolded during lockdown. We can just come
33:39
back onto that and a minute. I just wanted to just jump back a
33:45
little bit before we talk about all those other issues. But when you were
33:51
delivering talks to audiences, when you're traveling to different venues to give these talks,
33:57
which I know is very hard work, what sort of response did you
34:00
get from the audience, How did people treat you? Well? It was
34:05
funny, you know. We went all over the place we went to,
34:09
We went all round different places in England. We did Wales, we did
34:16
Fairborne and Fairburne was interesting because it's a little town in Wales, in North
34:22
Wales which is under what they call managed retreat where they're saying because of sea
34:29
level rise the whole town has to be evacuated by twenty twenty five. So
34:38
this is a a little town near Barnmouth, you know, sort of on
34:45
that sort of coast in Wales, and mainly it's sixties bungalows. It was
34:52
almost like it was a development in the sixties and a lot of people have
34:58
gone there to retire and they were being told, you know, twenty twenty
35:01
five year out of here, because you know, sea level rise, it's
35:05
going to disappear. And it just happens to Nestle in the sort of the
35:09
National Park area where they actually do want a wetland, some sort of wetland
35:15
thing going on, and we were there to just say, look, there
35:20
is no sea level rise. We've got Neil Zaxel Mourner apparently been down there
35:23
a few years before with Mark and has said there's zero sea level rise.
35:29
So we went there to really present Gender twenty one and there was a lot
35:32
I would say fifty to fifty half the audience were absolutely with us, and
35:37
half of them were saying, you're barking mad, particularly because the local newspaper
35:44
had put leaflets through everyone's door saying we were conspiracy theorists and that we mustn't
35:52
be listened to. And there was even people with placards that siting, don't
35:54
listen to these people, they're mad, you know. So we did get
35:58
we we had that strange response. Really we had a very good response in
36:02
Haleing Island. A lot of people were very awake there. Brighton, we
36:07
got banned. We got banned from Brighton several times because it's so woke,
36:13
which is interesting because one of my great uncle was a major activist in Brighton
36:17
in the nineteen thirties, so it's quite interesting now things go full circle.
36:24
And I only found out about him a few years ago because it was all
36:28
a big secret of my family. But anyway, Brighton was all a bit
36:31
woke. They didn't want us, so we ended up doing having to go
36:36
undercover in Hove in a pub, so it was quite funny. And sometimes
36:42
we'd go to church halls and there'd be four people with a dog on a
36:45
string. But it didn't matter, you know. It was almost like it's
36:47
like being an apostle. You're sort of evangelizing and hoping that something comes of
36:52
it. You know, it doesn't matter how small the audience was. This
36:57
is this is an extremely good point because we're touching on well, we're talking
37:01
really about being active and what happens, and it's hard work. But I
37:07
remember going to give a talk right the way along the South Coast. I
37:14
had to drive four and a half hours to get there, so Little Hampton
37:20
or somewhere in that area, and the man who'd booked it said, oh,
37:24
you know, there's going to be at least sixty people. So I
37:29
drive four and a half hours from Plymouth to get to this place, and
37:35
they're in good time. But when people turn up, there was only about
37:38
ten of them, and I can't say I was very disappointed because I've sort
37:46
of seen this sort of thing happened before, but I thought I've come a
37:52
long way. But then it turned out that in that very small audience there
37:55
were five local counselors. I was amazed at that, but this was because
38:02
the gentleman who had got a bit of influence with his local council, and
38:07
so the audience was very small. But those people were very interesting. And
38:13
what I really liked is they asked me a lot of questions, which meant
38:16
one they were paying attention and two they seemed to be interested in, you
38:22
know, getting a response and I could come back and answer the questions.
38:27
So when ultimately I was setting off in my car to do the four and
38:30
a half hours back to Plymouth, I was actually thinking, hmm, I
38:36
wonder whether I've sown more seeds. I'm echoing your comment there. I wonder
38:43
whether I've sown more seeds there than I have in some of the bigger meetings
38:45
that you know, I've been to. So I never really judged the power
38:52
of the meeting on the number of people there, although it is always nice
38:55
when you can speak to a big audience. Yes, I mean I do
39:00
think that the seeds that you sew at these what you think is pointless meetings,
39:07
you know. I mean so many times we turned up at different village
39:09
halls and there were literally there was only a few people there. And then
39:16
you know, you find that actually they were the ones that started the stand
39:21
in the parks. You know, they listened and they thought, oh my
39:23
god, this is this resonates you know with you know that talk that we
39:29
saw all those you know, it wasn't that many years or maybe two years
39:34
ago or whatever, and they those people I still get, I still get,
39:39
you know, messages from people said I remember seeing you and you were
39:44
speaking to seven of us in the working Men's club in talking or something.
39:47
You think, okay, I don't remember that one, but I must have
39:52
done it. But yeah, it's quite it's quite nice really when you know
39:55
that those seeds and it's not it's not it's not futile. Everything means something,
40:02
no matter how small the action is, it means something. Yeah,
40:07
this is good because it's encouragement for people who say, oh, well it's
40:12
pointless, we can't do anything. We absolutely can. And what we need
40:17
is many, many hands making light work, many people doing a little bit,
40:22
instead of a small number of people doing a lot. But yes,
40:28
everything you do, every time you stand up to be counted, or you
40:31
stand up and you speak out, it does have an effect. This is
40:36
something that I've learned, I can say the last twenty years. But it
40:40
can be tough. Did you ever think that it was too much for you?
40:47
That you were doing this and you've done all these trips and you've given
40:52
a lot of talks. Did you ever feel I'm not sure I can carry
40:55
on with this? No, I mean not until funny enough, not until
41:00
recently. Isn't that funny? Then? I was, I was almost like
41:06
on a mission. I was thinking, no, this, this is something
41:08
that has to be called out. This is really, you know, really
41:13
important. And there was a time when I was when I emailed Rosa Cory,
41:17
not thinking i'd ever get a reply, and she did reply, and
41:22
I was doing quite a bit in top ness at that time, and we'd
41:24
organized a meeting there at the Seven Stars, and I'd said, look,
41:30
wouldn't it be great if we got Rosa on a video link? And she
41:35
had said she would do it, and then at last minute she had said,
41:38
look, I can't because I'm moving house or something. And she said,
41:43
oh, Sandy, you do it. You can. You can do
41:45
it far better, you know, because you're in England. It'd be you
41:49
know, insoid for you. And she said you she said, you know
41:52
all stuff anyway, And it was then that I thought, gosh, she's
41:57
almost like saying, get on with it in England. So that's when I
42:00
really decided I've got to really because nobody else was talking about it. If
42:07
there was, maybe I wouldn't have done it. You know. It's funny,
42:09
isn't it How you just think, right, no one's doing this,
42:13
and I felt compelled to talk about it, and now everyone's talking about it.
42:16
So I'm feeling, oh, perhaps I don't have to do so much
42:20
now, but I am. I haven't stopped, but I don't like at
42:23
the moment because I'm trying to write a book. I don't want to rush
42:27
about the country anymore. I feel I've done that, you know, I've
42:30
done that for years. Yeah, this is a very important point, and
42:35
I can understand exactly what you're talking about because I certainly did. I'm going
42:44
to say close to four hundred public talks over my time, some of those
42:52
bigger organized events, some of them in tiny village halls with ten people or
42:59
seventy people, those sorts of numbers. And I know that I had a
43:05
Pergo, little Pergo diesel car which didn't actually have a lot of miles on
43:08
it, and then suddenly I realized that I put these thousands and thousands of
43:14
miles on that little car traveling all around the place to give talks. And
43:20
I can also look at the map of UK and I've been there, I've
43:23
been there, I've been there, and that's all because I traveled giving talks.
43:29
But of course the power of the Internet and the power of modern phones
43:35
make a huge difference, plus the social media channels. So whilst there are
43:39
people who say, oh, we shouldn't be using these things because they're the
43:44
tools of the other side, I think, no, we're we're fighting a
43:49
battle against these horrible people and we have to use everything in our you know,
43:54
everything that we have in order to fight back. And if that means
43:59
we have to use the Internet or we have to use telegram to communicate,
44:05
then we absolutely should do that. Absolutely, no, I agree, and
44:10
it's funny how zoom really became something in the lockdown and now everyone's using it,
44:16
and actually it does save the mileage. I have to say. If
44:20
I can do a zoom, I know it's not the same as being there
44:22
in person. And I have got a few talks that I will do in
44:28
person, but I'm yeah, very few now in the diary because I really
44:35
want to just really get on with the study and doing the book because I
44:42
feel that, I don't know, I'm just feeling a compelled to do that
44:46
right now, because I feel I need to leave some sort of legacy at
44:50
some point, not that I'm going anywhere, but do you know what I
44:52
mean? You want to And I feel it's needed as well from the spiritual
44:57
perspective as well. It will have a spiritual slant book. That's that's a
45:00
very important aspect that there is a spiritual side to this. And I believe
45:06
it's a spiritual battle without any question at all, and and we need to
45:13
recognize this because if if you're fighting a spiritual battle, you need to know
45:17
how to do that. So yeah, interesting you should you should come in
45:23
on that angle. Yeah, I mean, we've got we've got all this
45:27
technology that's you know, it attempts to alter the very fabric of our society
45:34
with alarming rapidity. Really, you know, this, this march of AI
45:39
transform our world into sort of you know, hybrid cyber Finnish physical sort of
45:45
planet. And we didn't ask for this, we didn't want it. But
45:49
the worst thing is that, you know what with the I suppose it's you
45:52
know, the rollout of fifth generation wireless and all this is it's it's it's
45:58
that central to what they're trying to do. And we all know it's beyond
46:04
the constraint of any spiritual moral consideration. It's just it's just happening. You
46:09
know. Then they're not thinking of the human being with human condition, and
46:15
I just feel we need a reaffirmation of a human you know sort of values
46:20
and a recovery of the sacred view of nature and you know, work towards
46:25
a truly human future, because if we allow this to this march of totalitarian
46:34
and totalitarianism and AI to to sort of take over our planet, then you
46:40
know, the human condition and what makes us human is that we have a
46:45
soul. And there's no soul in any of that. There's no soul,
46:51
No there isn't and I'm smiling. I'm smiling. You're talking about something very
46:55
serious. But I was smiling while I'm smiling is because as your was talking
47:00
about this, into my head came a recent interaction I had with the well
47:07
it's the AI system match with Amazon because I'd ordered a product and then I'm
47:13
being told it's not being delivered to me. But there was no explanation why,
47:17
and when sufficient time had gone past, I tried to find out why.
47:22
And then I'm talking to bots. I'm not talking to an online call
47:29
center where you can text them and a human being is reply. I'm clearly,
47:34
clearly being answered by a bot. And I don't know whether it's just
47:38
me, but I feel the coldness coming through the screen of the computer.
47:45
I know that I am communicating with something that is inherently dark and wrong,
47:52
because it's something the other side of the computer screen, which is pretending to
47:59
be a human being with a soul and capable of creat creative, being creative
48:06
and loving. I've got an Amazon bot that's actually so stupid it can't tell
48:13
me an answer to a very simple question. Yes, yeah, And I
48:17
think you know you've hit it on the head. Is that it's it's it's
48:21
a very cold way of dealing with with with people. And you can feel
48:25
it, you know, when you're not speaking, when you're speaking to something
48:29
that's not human. Yeah, and this is the illusion is a lot of
48:32
people think that there's somebody typing an answer at the end of it, at
48:37
the end of those things, and it's not. It's all Ai. It's
48:42
all Ai. And the other one I'll do because this brings the human aspect
48:47
back in, is that I used to get very very frustrated with call centers.
48:52
You know, you'd you'd be there in the telephone Q waiting for an
48:57
operative to talk to you, and inevitably the person talking to you was from
49:01
some land far away, and very often I found I could find them difficult
49:09
to understand. I mean, all credit to wherever they were living in the
49:14
world. You know, they worked at their English, but there were certain
49:17
bits of it that I always found difficult, and so you had these rather
49:22
unusual conversations. But eventually I decided that I was wrong in how I felt
49:29
about these, so I made it a policy that anybody I spoke to from
49:32
a call center, I would try to get them chatting, you know,
49:37
you might ask where they were. They're often very suspicious about that because they
49:42
associate it with, you know, your hostile to them because they're in an
49:46
overseas country. But I try an accent, I try and guess the accent.
49:52
I try and get them to tell me where they are in the world,
49:54
and then you can ask, you know, is it sunny there,
49:58
because it's horrible here. I have a little game as to how long I
50:02
can keep these people talking to me about human things. Yes, And obviously
50:08
eventually they've got to cut away because they've got the time pressure on each call.
50:15
But invariably I find I can have a few minutes conversation with them and
50:21
when I put the phone down, it's been human interaction and it makes me
50:25
feel good. Yeah. Yeah, No, it's important, it's really important.
50:30
And you know, I do it at supermarket checkouts because I won't go
50:35
on the I won't go on the automated ones, you know, the self
50:37
checkouts. I always go on the human tills and always exchange some sort of
50:43
you know, just a little conversation because these are human beings. They might
50:47
be doing quite a robotic job, but they're human beings. And to just
50:52
say you know, how are you today? And they respond, oh,
50:55
someone speaking to me. You know, it's lovely. Yeah, it's great,
51:00
isn't it. We we just a few minutes ago, you were getting
51:06
you were talking more about i'll use the term the beast that's slowly installing itself.
51:13
How do you see this monster that's coming in at the moment that seems
51:17
to want complete and utter control over every one of us? How do you
51:23
see it? What? What do you feel? It is? What I
51:28
feel? It is? I feel Oh, dear, well, you see
51:30
it's there's a number, there's a number of factors here, and there's a
51:35
lot of a lot of different how can I put it, there's a lot
51:39
of different different groups of people who are almost pushing the same outcome. You
51:49
know, You've got you've got the globalists and that the people that want to
51:52
rule the world, and you know they're they're the they're the most pernicious really
51:57
because they they really want us to you know, they don't care about the
52:02
collateral damage. It's just kind of you know, it's just kind of business
52:07
for them. It's it's a way of corporatizing the world, making loads of
52:10
money and and to hell with everyone else. To help with. You know
52:15
that they don't want to compete with eight billion people on the planet for the
52:19
resources, so they want us kind of you know, either in smart cities
52:23
all gone or whatever. I don't I don't know, you know, it's
52:27
it's difficult to know how deep that plan goes. We know that they I
52:31
think they're failing. I think they're failing. And then of course you've got
52:35
you've got the people who are just in it for the finance as well.
52:38
You've got the people like the impact investors who are there too purely you know,
52:45
sort of really make loads of money. But the Tony Blairs of this
52:50
world, I know he's one of them. He's also a globalist. But
52:52
anybody that works in impact investing, they don't actually see the damage they're doing
52:58
because it's all it's all data harvesting and data harvesting children in schools, you
53:01
know, this kind of stuff where the AI and the intelligence going into our
53:07
schools at the moment is literally is all of that is being traded like futures,
53:15
and they're trading on future outcomes of our children in schools and in their
53:21
education, and so that to me is pernicious. It's horrible. And then
53:25
of course you've got the futurists, the weird people like Elon musk And and
53:30
Yuval Harari. They're in it because they think they're gods, and they really
53:36
think that it's there, it's our duty to almost exterminate ourselves, you know,
53:42
because we are that. They feel that the only way to save the
53:49
planet is to bring in all this, all the cyborgs and everything, and
53:52
that progress has to be made, whether it's you know that this is progress
53:57
and there's no getting away from it. And then of course you've got the
54:00
military industrial complex, you know, fermenting the wars to make things worse.
54:05
So and it's all tied up together with the globalist plan. All of it
54:08
is tied up. But the fact is that I think it's a dying beast
54:14
at the moment. I think they're desperate at the moment. I mean when
54:17
I look at all the plans that have failed. You know, they had
54:21
the eight millennium goals which they had to ditch, and they created the seventeen
54:25
goals in twenty to fifteen and those failed, so then they decided to accelerate
54:31
them in you know, in twenty fifteen they decided to accelerate seventeen goals,
54:38
and then they decided to accelerate them again twenty nineteen because they'd failed, which
54:44
is when they brought in, you know, the pandemic, the lockdowns,
54:49
and now they're panicking because they don't think things are going terribly well for them.
54:52
And if you looked at any of the DeVos, you know, I
54:55
don't know whether you looked at any of them. You must have done the
54:58
DeVos YouTube. You know, some of the talks on the Devils meeting,
55:05
Yes, we've seen quite a few of those are incredible, Yeah, and
55:10
some of them were you know, there was the Argentinian man, although I
55:14
can't help but think that he was part of the plan. You know,
55:16
he was saying, you know, this global communism wasn't going to work.
55:22
You know, it didn't work in Argentina and it's not going to work now,
55:25
so stop it sort of thing. And I do you know, there's
55:30
certain things like last week Sweden, throughout the seventeen goals and the Sustainable Development
55:37
Goals and twenty thirty, so I think there is a there's a breaking down
55:42
and people are I think it's becoming more mainstream that you know, we've got
55:45
all the farmers coming out, so I think we've got we've got a lot
55:50
of pushback, and I think it's almost like a you know, when you
55:54
get a dying dragon or beast or whatever, it flails around and causes a
56:00
lot of damage. And that's what I'm feeling, that there's this dying beast,
56:05
and of course when it dies, it decays, and you know there'll
56:07
be a bit of a stink. But we've got to sort of hold on
56:12
to our human our humanness, and and also have the fight to be able
56:19
to resist this and say we don't comply, we're not having any more of
56:22
this. And whether people have got the strength to do that in England,
56:24
I don't know. I hope so, because England should be the place where
56:30
we oppose all this or you what do I say to that, I'd agree
56:37
with your analysis of all the groups. There are many groups, and they're
56:42
all interwoven and into linked, and it's all made very It's easy to see
56:49
in a way because many of these organizations are hidden in plain sight, but
56:55
then the links between them are not always in plain sight. But when you
57:00
do your research, you can eventually quite easily I find see the linkages between
57:07
these organizations, and they've invariably got access to huge amounts of money, millions,
57:15
billions of pounds, and so there seems to be some overarching control mechanism
57:22
to them, and they appear to be absolutely powerful. They've got all the
57:29
money, they got the military industrial complex, they've got the military, they've
57:32
got the police. So it's very easy to say, oh my goodness,
57:36
it's you know, it's pointless to fight. But we are seeing that a
57:40
relatively few people standing up and challenging or exposing them is causing them real problems.
57:47
And I just mentioned James Ruguski, who's been following the latest WHO treaty,
57:55
which is trying to lock nation states into giving the WHO the power to
58:00
make decisions over the countermeasures for future planetary pandemics. He's pointing out that they
58:10
WHO now seem so unsettled that they are falling sure to their own targets and
58:17
they're breaching their own guidelines. This is positive, isn't it is? It
58:23
is possibly men and women on the streets achieving something absolutely And you know,
58:30
it is funny that we've just seen, you know, the whole exposure of
58:36
what happened to the Post Office. That's taiting twenty years, twenty years to
58:40
really you know, to really go through the courts and be be seen for
58:46
what it is. And that documentary really pointed it out. But you know,
58:51
we've got all the vaccine stuff going on with you know, Andrew Bridgin,
58:55
you know, pushing the inquiry in Parliament, and I think all of
59:01
this, all of this is almost like a crescendo of stuff that they're having
59:06
to deal with, and you know, the truth is coming out. I
59:09
mean, I have a daughter who works in the NHS, and you know
59:15
she's finding that now people are definitely questioning, you know, what happened,
59:21
you know, with the with the vaccine rollout, and so it'll take a
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long time to unpick all this stuff. And the financial devastation that's been created.
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I don't know how that will unravel because you know, the we've got
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so many counsels going bankrupt and we've got people not being able to pay their
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bills. So how do you all the money has been spent on on on,
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you know a lot of things that you know that the whole pandemic was
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was was an absolute disaster financially for the world. So how I don't know
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how that all will unravel if in an ideal world it was all seen to
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be a big, a big farce and a lie and illusion, call it
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whatever you like. How long would it take for the world to recover from
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all of this and rebuild what it should be. I don't know, Well,
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if we wanted. It's not a perfect example, of course, but
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if you look at where countries have rebuilt war damage, probably we could go
1:00:31
to Germany for just amazing films of how Berlin and Dresden and other German cities
1:00:39
were rebuilt from absolute rubble and when people came together to apply themselves to do
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that rebuilding, and obviously they were they were equipped with what they needed,
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so they had all the tools and equipment, and it's inevitably also has to
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be supplied. But I watch some of these YouTube clips because I find them
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absolutely fascinating. Utter destruction is. And I apologize for using this world work
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because it's a bit a bit of the New World order. But destroyed cities
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are transformed back into a vibrant, right working city, and that's been done
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brick by brick, shovel, spadeful by spadeful in order to change things so
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I actually feel that we can be pretty optimistic about how we repair things.
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But before we can repair things, people need to know. The wider public,
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the wider population needs to understand they're being attacked. That's the bit that
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we are, to my mind, just starting to come to the beat.
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More people are beginning to understand there's something badly wrong. I mean, I
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think it almost needs a global marshal plans, isn't it. So take the
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take the money for all these stupid wars that they've fermented, and you know
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sort of you know Yemen and you know Ukraine and just you know, stop
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all that have a CSPI. I mean, if I, honestly, if
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I ruled the world, you know, and you ruled the world, this
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is what would happen. And the money would go into into reparations and and
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and working out, you know, proper ways of living and being with a
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you know, with a truly human understanding of of of what what we all
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need. And we don't need wars like this. And the trouble is that
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these wars are they're always they're always created by the same people, and we
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know that. And the fact is that for years, I mean, I
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don't know if you if you remember the the Iron Mountain Report. I've been
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looking at that because I'm looking at it for as research for the book.
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Because in the Iron Mountain Report, that was in the nineteen fifties I think
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it was between fifties and sixties. It was a report that was made that
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talked about the fact that we need perpetual war because it actually keeps the economy
1:03:17
of the world going, and should that be taken away, what would the
1:03:23
world look like. And unfortunately, the people that created the Iron Mountain Report
1:03:30
were the same people that are creating all the wars. So they then thought,
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well, what we'll have to do is create world government and we'd get
1:03:38
rid of war, but we'd actually have to control the entire population of the
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planet, which is why we are where we are now. Yeah, and
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again that hidden in plain sight because it had been written down. But it
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was only when people discover the documents and start to read them and understand them
1:03:59
that we realize what's going on. Sandy, It's been a fantastic discussion with
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you, really enjoyable. I have no doubt that through all your endeavors,
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all your hard work and your gutsiness, you've you've made a difference. And
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yeah, that difference is it's all part of a domino effect that once we
1:04:21
start to show a little bit, it grows. So I'm sure you've had
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an effect. What would you say to other women out there to get them
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to be bold enough to stand up and maybe do more than they are at
1:04:38
the moment. Well, maybe it's actually you know, talking to the men,
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where are they? I mean, you're you know, present company accepted.
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But I think that there has been a lot of women, you know,
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sort of standing up and if you are a woman that really you know,
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sort of feels that it doesn't matter how small your endeavor, even if
1:05:03
it's holding a meeting in your locality, even if it's a helping with a
1:05:09
project. It might be a it might be you might join your local PHA,
1:05:15
you know, health hub, or you might want to start a growing
1:05:18
project or something locally. Or you might want to hold a community meeting to
1:05:24
get people together to challenge their councils. I mean, this is a really
1:05:28
big thing. Councils have never been challenged like they're being challenged now. And
1:05:33
I think that the talk that I did at the at the at the council
1:05:39
last march that went viral nearly a year ago galvanized a lot of people who
1:05:44
were thinking of doing something and going into their own councils, and they just
1:05:47
did get up and do it. So just think of any way that you
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feel that you can affect change in your in your environment, and it doesn't
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matter how small that action is, it will make a difference. Yeah,
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yeah, brilliant. And again you're making me smile there because one of my
1:06:05
other gutsy women guests told me off for being a bit mean to the men.
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But I stand my ground on this because I say, I am not
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a big bloke, and I've had my head well above the parapet for a
1:06:17
great many years now, and I look around and I still feel that I
1:06:23
should be pointing at the male population and saying, come on, blokes,
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where are you. Maybe I'm being too tough on the men. There's a
1:06:34
lot of brilliant men, and there's a lot of men have stood up and
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done a lot of amazing things. It's not just it's not just us ladies.
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That was a bit of a joke, but there does seem to be
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a lot of women of a certain age who, you know, like my
1:06:49
age, who have done quite a bit. And maybe it's the whole maternal
1:06:54
thing, the grandmotherly thing whatever is that you want to secure a really good
1:06:58
future for your children, grandchildren whatever, and future generations to come. And
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I think that is definitely something that drives women in this movement on, and
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you know, and men as well, I'm sure, but I think the
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maternal thing is so strong. Yeah, yeah, brilliant. Well, Sandy,
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I think we've come to a conclusion for our chat. It's been really
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wonderful to learn more about you and how you got involved being active, speaking
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out and making a difference. So I'm going to say a very big thank
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you for joining me. The afternoon has been lovely. Thank you so much.
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Thank you. Yeah, more power to your elbow. Keep going,
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keep keep going. I'll never stop, all right, that's wonderful. Thank
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you very much. Indeed, thank you,