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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-20-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Shan O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Shat O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Happy home day, everybody.
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  Speaker 4: What a day to be on the radio.
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  Speaker 3: A beautiful sunny spring here in Salt Lake City, Utah.
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  Speaker 3: But a wonderful day for you to get down there
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  Speaker 3: to hang out, maybe watch a little baseball. Cincinnati, Philadelphia
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  Speaker 3: of full slate of Major League baseball. You've got Game
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  Speaker 3: two of the Western Conference Finals tonight, San Antonio.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: See Game one of the NHL Western Conference Finals between
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  Speaker 3: Vegas and Colorado. Big Willies is the perfect place to
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  Speaker 3: watch all of those things. Seventeen seventeen South Main the
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  Speaker 3: everyone in sports talk radio should get old takes exposed,
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  Speaker 3: because at some point all of us, during the slog
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  Speaker 3: of an NBA regular season, we're like, oh man, ratings
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA not looking that great. Oh Man, this
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  Speaker 3: tanking stuff is a real problem. Oh Man, The NBA
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  Speaker 3: needs to fix load management. Oh Man, the NBA is
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  Speaker 3: really losing touch with its fan base. At some point,
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  Speaker 3: everybody who makes their money talking sports for a living
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  Speaker 3: leaned on that, maybe lazily. Maybe there's some meat on
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  Speaker 3: the bone there, Maybe there's some truth to whatever statement
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  Speaker 3: you want.
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  Speaker 4: To pick and pull. If anything was.
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  Speaker 3: Problematic or is problematic in NBA basketball, I think it's
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  Speaker 3: only problematic in regular season NBA basketball. These playoffs have
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  Speaker 3: been incredible. These Western Conference and Eastern Conference Finals have
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  Speaker 3: spoiled us already.
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  Speaker 4: If you get six.
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  Speaker 3: More boring games between San Antonio and Oklahoma City, we
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  Speaker 3: still got our money's worth. If you get absolute snoozers
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  Speaker 3: in a six game series in the Eastern Conference Finals,
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the way absolutely got your money's worth
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  Speaker 3: if you watch these first two games. Whatever you paid
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  Speaker 3: for tickets, if you were there in person, whatever you
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  Speaker 3: paid for your television package, or the meal you had
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  Speaker 3: at Big Willie's while you were sitting down there to
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  Speaker 3: watch it. You got your money's worth from these game
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  Speaker 3: ones Western Conference Final.
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  Speaker 4: You saw.
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  Speaker 3: Victor wembin Yama just owning, emphatically stamping for the I
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  Speaker 3: don't know fiftieth time that he is absolutely the future
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  Speaker 3: of the NBA, and we've kind of known it, but
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  Speaker 3: he might be the present of the NBA. I was
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  Speaker 3: listening to Rich Eyesen this morning. Rich had something I
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  Speaker 3: love this analogy. I'm not afraid to give my fellow
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  Speaker 3: sports talk guys credit for their their ideas. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: afraid to give them credit the first time and then
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  Speaker 3: plagiarize it the rest.
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  Speaker 5: Of the time, especially if they're on ESPN, even just
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  Speaker 5: for an hour.
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  Speaker 3: Especially if they're preceding my show immediately. Rich Eisen, I
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  Speaker 3: think does a great job, mostly mostly on football. Rich
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  Speaker 3: Eisen is a plus plus on football everything else. It's
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  Speaker 3: kind of like beauty is in the eye of the beholder,
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  Speaker 3: whether you like it. When he talks basketball, he's a
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  Speaker 3: really good interviewer and he gets great guests, but he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't interviewing anyone this morning. He said something that borders
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  Speaker 3: on profound. He was like, you know what, you know
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  Speaker 3: what we love about Victor Webbin Yama, Well, he compared him.
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  Speaker 4: He went way overboard.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, he's got Michael Jordan and him, he's got
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  Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant in him. He was giving the kid all
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  Speaker 3: the praise that you could with every comparison, every favorable
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  Speaker 3: comparison you can imagine. But he also said he's got
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  Speaker 3: this Otani thing in basketball. He's the hoops version of Otani,
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  Speaker 3: who does it differently, who does it on both ends,
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  Speaker 3: And of course in baseball it's not on both ends.
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  Speaker 3: But Shoeotani is an offensive and defensive dynamo in Major
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  Speaker 3: League baseball.
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  Speaker 4: You don't see that anymore at all in the.
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  Speaker 3: Major leagues, And it is preciously rare in the NBA
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  Speaker 3: to have someone be elite, like truly elite on both
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  Speaker 3: sides of the ball. In NBA basketball, it's more common
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  Speaker 3: than it is in baseball, but it's still a very
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  Speaker 3: rare thing. And this twenty two year old alien monster
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  Speaker 3: obviously has given us that so all of that gushing,
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  Speaker 3: all of that wonder about Victor Wenbinyama. We spent some
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  Speaker 3: time doing it yesterday and you're like, all right, well,
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  Speaker 3: at least we're gonna get one great series. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: so sure about Eastern Conference final. Will see how New
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  Speaker 3: York and Cleveland roll out. I'm still a Donovan Mitchell fan.
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  Speaker 3: I want good things for him. I would like to
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  Speaker 3: see him at least pursue a championship in a real
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  Speaker 3: way during his career. This is the deepest he's ever
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  Speaker 3: made it into the playoffs, and Cleveland had this game
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  Speaker 3: won in facture statement, they were dominating in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 3: I turned this thing on. I was on daddy duty
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  Speaker 3: last night. My wife was having a craft night. Shout
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  Speaker 3: out to all you ladies who like a good craft
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  Speaker 3: night out there. Okay, so the wife is down in Provo,
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  Speaker 3: me and the girls.
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  Speaker 4: We're having a great time. They're in the playroom.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, you, girls want to watch some basketball right
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  Speaker 3: before bed. They're like, yay. They love watching sports with me.
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  Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing in the world. They have the
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  Speaker 3: cutest little questions. Turn on the game and I'm just like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is kind of a stinker of a game, kind
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  Speaker 3: of sucks. New York's up twenty one points or something.
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  Speaker 3: All right, excuse me, Cleveland's up twenty one points. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, cool, well, yeah, good job Donovan. And so
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, you girls watch this. I'll start washing
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  Speaker 3: the dishes. I start washing the dishes. And open concept
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  Speaker 3: for all of you folks out there who are like
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  Speaker 3: a little interior designed.
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  Speaker 5: So you can see the TV. You could see the
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  Speaker 5: TV from sink. I was gonna say, you might have done.
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  Speaker 5: You might have done what I did. Turn on the
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  Speaker 5: SESPN seven hundred app because I do not have a
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  Speaker 5: TV by the kitchen sink, and I'm listening to it,
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  Speaker 5: listening to the radio.
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  Speaker 3: Call James, you need to bring in a picture of
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  Speaker 3: your kitchen. We're gonna find a way to put like
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  Speaker 3: a full down flat screen.
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  Speaker 4: There's the cabinet or something. There's a place for it.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's a it's a kind of kitchen dining room,
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  Speaker 5: open concept thing where we've actually got it's like a
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  Speaker 5: little living room area.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, it's a sitting room, a den of sorts.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's there's there's a place for a TV
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  Speaker 5: there that just haven't gotten one up there yet.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe a little Michael Scott plasma screen, that's what That's
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  Speaker 4: exactly what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Uh eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 4: Hit me up there.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you my venmo and you can all contribute
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  Speaker 3: to like an eighteen inch plasma screen TV for James
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  Speaker 3: Peterson's kitchen den thing. So I'm I start to wash dishes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and then you get the sound of the
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  Speaker 3: water and the clinking of the plates and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm like, all right, I got to turn this
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  Speaker 4: up second at least hear what's going on. So your
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  Speaker 4: your girls are deaf, but you can hear it a
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  Speaker 4: little bit now there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a very low volume guy, you know about my
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  Speaker 3: miss aphonious situation. Okay, So I turn it up to
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  Speaker 3: like eleven instead of four, gotcha, And I'm just like
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  Speaker 3: all right, and I wash the dishes, and then it's
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  Speaker 3: like you start to hear. You start to hear Madison
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  Speaker 3: Square Garden get a little bit louder through the television,
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  Speaker 3: right You start to hear just started sort of subconsciously
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more enthusiasm from the broadcast team.
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  Speaker 5: Than when you turn the game on, and Nick's announcer
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  Speaker 5: Mike Breen, especially given a little more wise. You'll give
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  Speaker 5: you for ESPN.
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  Speaker 4: He'll give you a bang anytime, right, And so I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: oh wait, I look over.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, they were just up like twenty. It's
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  Speaker 3: down to twelve. Okay, so turn the water off, go
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  Speaker 3: settle in. And to be fair, I should have watched
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  Speaker 3: all of it, But what I watched was Jalen Brunson
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  Speaker 3: making James Harden, his nephew, his adopted son. He absolutely
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  Speaker 3: and the Knicks by extension a certain gender of dog.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe okay, you went there.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't going to.
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  Speaker 2: He he absolutely put the most evil I've seen I
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  Speaker 2: can remember anytime recently for an extended period of time
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  Speaker 2: on James Harden specifically.
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  Speaker 3: And I loved James hard when he was sixth Man
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  Speaker 3: of the Year at Oklahoma City. I haven't really been
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  Speaker 3: a fan of his in the rest of his career, because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the more we get to see of him,
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  Speaker 3: the more exposed his one sided play is the previous
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  Speaker 3: manipulation of his own physique, seemingly to get himself in
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  Speaker 3: and out of the right graces where he'd like show up,
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  Speaker 3: show up to workouts overweight and fat for a team
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  Speaker 3: that he did not want to be playing for anymore,
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  Speaker 3: so they felt better about parting ways with him, and
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  Speaker 3: then he would lose that weight. I just I have
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  Speaker 3: lost my fandom of James Harden and over the years
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  Speaker 3: watched as he milks teams for these absurdly massive contracts
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  Speaker 3: for effectively being a DH. If we're going to keep
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  Speaker 3: doing baseball basketball analogies, he's only he's a designated hitter.
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  Speaker 4: He's only an offensive presence.
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  Speaker 3: And the Knicks, I don't know why they took until
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  Speaker 3: they needed a significant double digit fourth quarter rally, but
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  Speaker 3: at some point it was just like, all right, do
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  Speaker 3: the thing where we expose James Harden. Maybe they wanted
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  Speaker 3: to save it for deeper in the series. All right, Jalen,
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  Speaker 3: do the thing where you make James Harden look really bad.
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  Speaker 3: And to be fair to James Harden, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: why if you'll need to be fair to James Harden.
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  Speaker 3: What Jalen Brunson was doing, he probably could have done
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  Speaker 3: some version of that to much more willing and much
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  Speaker 3: more committed and much better defenders, because he is a
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  Speaker 3: great player.
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  Speaker 4: He is an All Star player in the league.
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  Speaker 3: But the way that the numbers pencil out, he decided,
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  Speaker 3: if I'm going to lead this comeback, I have to
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  Speaker 3: do it by going at that guy specifically.
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  Speaker 4: I have to.
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  Speaker 3: Expose him, his liability, his weakness, his skeleton in the closet,
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  Speaker 3: and I've got to do it over and over and
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  Speaker 3: over again. Was he eight of ten going against James
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  Speaker 3: Harden and like six of twelve going against everyone else,
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  Speaker 3: I should pull up, So he was fifteen of twenty
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  Speaker 3: nine on the night Jalen Brunson was. He finished with
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  Speaker 3: thirty eight points. He was bad from three point range,
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  Speaker 3: but other than that, he played an incredible game. Six
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  Speaker 3: assists to go with his thirty eight points, five rebounds.
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  Speaker 3: He did turn the ball over three times, but he
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  Speaker 3: stole it three times, so nets out pretty neutral on
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  Speaker 3: that one.
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  Speaker 5: So that's a zero turnover game, is what that works out.
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  Speaker 5: Zero turnover game, and.
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  Speaker 4: He just.
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  Speaker 3: He and the Knicks just decided that if we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: get this done, we have to get it done specifically
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  Speaker 3: through that. I don't know how you can be this
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  Speaker 3: deep into a multiple time All Star career and still
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  Speaker 3: have that level of I get it, like Shaquille O'Neal
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  Speaker 3: never fixed his free throw problem, right, So some guys
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  Speaker 3: you do see a liability stay there their entire career.
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  Speaker 3: I just if you're James Harden, I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: you talk to your teammates today and the coaching staff
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  Speaker 3: in Cleveland says, we're not benching him. He's been an
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  Speaker 3: excellent defender where he still trust him.
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe you. I have a different definition of
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  Speaker 4: the word excellent. I do not believe you.
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  Speaker 3: And you're right if you're out there saying, if you're
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  Speaker 3: yelling into your radio, just like it's not only James Harden.
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  Speaker 4: You're right, it's not only James Harden.
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  Speaker 3: But if you're James Harden, you're going to be an
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  Speaker 3: absolute screen door defensively. When a team like the New
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  Speaker 3: York Knicks is mounting a comeback and you are still
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  Speaker 3: out there on the floor that level of defensive liability,
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  Speaker 3: you are still out there doing nothing to stop an
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  Speaker 3: opposing rush. Guess what you better dang well do when
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  Speaker 3: your team gets the ball after the Knicks basket, which
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  Speaker 3: you do every single time, You better do what you're
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  Speaker 3: actually good at. You better put the ball in the hoop.
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  Speaker 3: Or get to the free throw line. Like James Harden
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  Speaker 3: is the almost the og foul merchant right like it
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  Speaker 3: just dude, if you can't hit your shot, at least
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  Speaker 3: at least draw the foul. He wasn't doing that, although
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  Speaker 3: he did have a fairly clutch shot that when they
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  Speaker 3: finally did score again to put them up to before
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  Speaker 3: the Knicks end up tying it and sending to overtime.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like, because obviously, because they end up
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  Speaker 3: losing this game, huge collapse, he's the defensive liability it gets.
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  Speaker 5: We actually saw a rare thing from James Harden. He
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  Speaker 5: hit a clutch shot in the playoffs. It just didn't
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  Speaker 5: they to stop him and end up being too little,
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  Speaker 5: too late.
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  Speaker 3: Jay Jalen Brunson outscored the Knicks at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the game and in overtime by himself.
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  Speaker 5: The team was a forty four to eleven run by
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  Speaker 5: the Knicks from the twenty two point lead about eight
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  Speaker 5: minutes left ninety three seventy one to the end of
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  Speaker 5: overtime forty four to eleven.
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  Speaker 4: And most of that Jalen Brunson. Brunson was like eighteen
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  Speaker 4: of those yeah, insane.
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  Speaker 5: Landry Shammitt hits the corner three of all people, hits
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  Speaker 5: the corner three to tie the game at ninety nine,
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  Speaker 5: and he's the one like locking up Donovan Mitchell two. Again,
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  Speaker 5: of all people, they've got mcal Bridges, they've got Ogananobi,
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  Speaker 5: they've got Josh Hart, who's a stout defender on the perimeter,
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  Speaker 5: it's Landry Shammitt is the one containing Donovan Mitchell on
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  Speaker 5: those last few possessions. Like, you gotta feel pretty bad
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  Speaker 5: about that if you're Donovan Mitchell. I'll due respect to
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  Speaker 5: Landry Shammitt.
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  Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell and James Harden missed nine of ten down
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  Speaker 3: the stretch, while Jalen Brunson specifically and his cast of
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  Speaker 3: mary Men with the New York Knicks were mounting this
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  Speaker 3: impressive comeback that lit up the in a way I
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  Speaker 3: have not seen since Patrick Ewing.
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  Speaker 4: Like that was incredible.
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  Speaker 5: You say what you want about how if you feel
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  Speaker 5: like Knicks fans are way too obnoxious, and there's plenty
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  Speaker 5: of reason to feel that way when they're good in
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs and they go on runs like that, which
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  Speaker 5: again runs like that are like once in a lifetime
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  Speaker 5: type thing, but they go on they go on runs
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  Speaker 5: where they're they're making basket after basket, whether it's a
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  Speaker 5: comeback or not. That's one of the best like environments
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  Speaker 5: in basketball still. But when the Knicks are good and
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  Speaker 5: playing like that, and they've got a cult hero like
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson leading things like it's fun to see the
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  Speaker 5: garden lit.
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  Speaker 4: Up like that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a celebrity worshiper, but for some reason I
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  Speaker 3: enjoy like an authentic sports fan celebrity. I like the
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  Speaker 3: actual like Timothy Shall all right, Ben Stiller has become that.
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  Speaker 3: Ben Stiller's a big fit. Like Jack Nicholson, is a
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  Speaker 3: real fan. Whether you like his team or you like
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  Speaker 3: his movies or not, he's a real fan. He's He's
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  Speaker 3: there game forty in a regular season, sitting front row
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  Speaker 3: a lot of times, you know what I mean. Spike
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  Speaker 3: Lee never really loved most Spike Lee joints, but Spike
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  Speaker 3: Lee's a real Knicks fan, And for some reason, I
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  Speaker 3: still enjoy that the front row the American royalty kind
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  Speaker 3: of Oh who's getting to sit front row? And by
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  Speaker 3: the way, I'm always very curious when you don't know
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  Speaker 3: who these people are. I know that that ticket cost
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  Speaker 3: you sixty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Who are you, Albert Breneman, What are you doing front row?
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  Speaker 3: I do have that ticket, you know, I'm always curious
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  Speaker 3: about that. But you know, like the Knicks are mounting
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  Speaker 3: this comeback and the place starts to swell, and that
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  Speaker 3: that is what playoff basketball, playoff hockey, that is. But
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  Speaker 3: that's what playoff sports do where you can even feel
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  Speaker 3: it through the television broadcast. And by the way, the
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  Speaker 3: television broadcast is so much better than it used to
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  Speaker 3: be in giving you the ambient noise and in allowing
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  Speaker 3: you to like they'll they'll head down to the sideline
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  Speaker 3: reporter and that person is standing there like cringing from
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  Speaker 3: the noise, and it's just like I kind of can't
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  Speaker 3: hear you even though I gotta in ear piece in.
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  Speaker 4: But wow, Jalen Brunson.
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  Speaker 3: And postgame this is I love the mind games that
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  Speaker 3: are happening right now with these NBA playoffs, because we
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  Speaker 3: saw in Game one of the Western Conference Finals, everybody
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  Speaker 3: kept asking Wenby over and over and over again some
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  Speaker 3: version of you had to watch Shake Gildess Alexander get
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  Speaker 3: that MVP award and then you got to play him
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  Speaker 3: right after that.
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  Speaker 4: Do you feel disrespected?
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel you know, people were putting words in
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  Speaker 3: his mouth, and instead of coming up with these long
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  Speaker 3: answers himself, he was just like, yes, like yeah, what
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  Speaker 3: you said? What you just said? All of that, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, another guy followed up and I guess people,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I guess they all just have a lot to learn.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: He's just saying these like brief and menacing things that
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: when it does get to Oklahoma City's coaching staff and
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: the team and whatever.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: They're gonna be looking at that just be like, oh boy,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: whether they want to admit it to themselves or not,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: they're gonna be like this guy. Or from a player standpoint,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: if you're Shay, if your Hartenstein, if you're Chet Holmgren,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: you're just like, okay, big boy, let's see right. And
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: so it it's not this over the top, stupid Connor
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: McGregor type like trash talking. But the Clifford Cavaliers last
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: night had to sit there and process what had happened.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell just like, yeah, we bleep and blew it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: What do you want me to say on the game too. Meanwhile,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: the Knicks are being asked questions like, hey, how'd you
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: guys do that, and they're just like, yeah, we went
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: at James Harden.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike Brown. I love when Mike Brown said. I
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: was on the Warriors coaching staff for a while. We
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: played James Harden when he was on the Rockets a
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: bunch of times, and we found that he dribbles so much.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: We're like, you know what, we're gonna tell the players,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: he's gonna tire himself out by the end of the
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: game with how much he dribbles.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: He's like, we don't know if that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: We didn't know if that's true, but you know, we're
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: maybe that's the psychological edge our players gonna have, Like, hey,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: he's not gonna be able to dominate late because he's
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: too tired dribbling all the time.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: For some reason, he brings that up.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Even though James Harden is he's still ball dominant, but
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: he's not that Rockets here James Harden anymore.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, if you are a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: professional athlete, if you're a college athlete, right, if you're
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: a high level athlete, if you're a good high school player,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and you hear confirmation verbally from the opposite team, yeah,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: we think that guy is the weakness that has to
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: mess with you in some way. Now, James Harden is
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: a talented enough player, he's a good enough player that
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: his response to that can be impressive, can be redemptive,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: should be quite honestly for what you're paying him in Cleveland.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: But when an opposing coaching.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Staff and the players that are doing it to you
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: are asked by the media by us schlubs that are
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: just like, wait, were you guys doing it to James
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Harden on purpose? And they're like, yes, it's no secret
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: we were going at James Harden. That filters back to
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: James Harden at some point. He's got that one high
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: school buddy who has no kouth, who's like copy and paste,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: sends it in the text, James, did you see what
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: they said about you?
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: And He's like, I was trying not.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: To see what they said about me, actually, because I
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: already feel bad enough. Thank you, random guy from my
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: tenth grade chemistry class. You idiots a bunch of lose
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: my number, buddy. But your response to that, right when
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you remember when McKay Bernard was asked to play corner
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: in the Rose Bowl and yeah, I'm a running back
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: and Ohio State was just like, we're gonna get you,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and they just went at him over and over and
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: over and over again.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: That was not Mackai Bernard's fault.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: That was an injury situation and a coaching decision that
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: honestly didn't make a ton of sense. McKay Bernard might
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: maybe was your best corner option. Don't make him play
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: special teams that game. Don't let him be cramping and
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: fatigued trying to trying to guard, trying to defend against
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: four and five star players.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Anyway, Jackson Smith and Jigbo one of them.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Against the future. Well he got the trophy that said
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: defensive play there. But right like post game, Ohio State
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: was asked like, hey, you were going after that guy
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, he's a running back, and Mackay
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Bernard had to be like, I'm a running back, like
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: they're right, yes, right, yeah, he has he has. He
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: handled it with grace, He had a laugh at himself.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: As painful as it was for him and for the
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: rest of the team, he was like, man, I gave
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: my best effort and that's all you could ask of him.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: And Mackay, if.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: You're out there listening, you're a Utah legend forever for
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: what you did for this program and for me specifically
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: in that game, knowing that the blame and the embarrassment
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: was going to be on you, even though that wasn't
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: your fault. James Harden, it is your fault.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: There's no like James Harden doesn't get to say I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: a shooter in NBA basketball, mc kay Bernard can say, dude,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I'm a running back and all of a sudden, yeah, okay.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: And the Ohio State even was like there guys were
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: even doing that. They're just like, why are they putting
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: you out here as a running back?
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I would love we, you know, shout out to the
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Bernard breakdown. We're gonna have to reach out to Makai
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: and I would love to hear some Hopefully it's far
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: enough removed for him to say, yeah, here's some of
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: the conversations we had. Because you had to think jsn
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Or and whoever else was on the field. I think
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior was on the field. That had to
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: have been Buka was on the field, right, They had
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: to have been like, what are they doing?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Why are they putting you in this position?
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I just I would love to hear some of the
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: conversations that might have happened, and he his excuse is valid.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to bring up a painful memory for
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Utah fans, but or for McKay Bernard.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: The point is right. His excuse was a valid excuse.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: His like, guys, I tried as hard as I could,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and it was an unreasonable expectation that I should be
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: able to stop those guys, that I would be good
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: enough at this to defend against those guys. James Harden
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: does not have that excuse. There is no way you
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: could sit in the film session that you can be
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: on the plane that you can look at Donovan Mitchell
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: and just be like, I'm not supped. I don't defend
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: don and he's got to be, well, you gotta do
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: it at least a little bit.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: Don says, I don't either. I get it. He's he's
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: gotten much better.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, Evan Mobley, you're gonna look at it, just be like, Hey,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Mobley's like, geez, man, you don't have to.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Be that bad. You don't have to literally be a
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: traffic cone.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: He's just like and honestly, probably the correct criticism of
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: both Donovan Mitchell and James Harden in that run, is
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that you didn't score any responding points. You're never gonna
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: be these world beating defenders. You're not big time stoppers.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: We know that about you the way that the best
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: defense for you, James Harden and Donovan Mitchell is a
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: good offense, and you failed in that regard, and some
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: of that for Donovan, who was like some of the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: shot selection, some of his attempts. When New York is
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: on this run and the garden is deafening and everything
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: needs to be slowed down and relaxed. And I'm not
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: talking about when it's a two point or a four
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: point margin, when the run is almost done. I'm talking
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: about when New York has outscored, they've scored twelve to
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: your two, and that lead is shrinking.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: That's when I think.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And we got Gordon chiers At joining us in the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: studio here in just a couple of minutes, and we're
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: gonna lean on his expertise.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: But I think that is when you get the time
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: out and you drop a nice play and you say
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I need a high percentage shot here, I don't care.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I need you to be taking this free throw lining in.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I want to lay up. I need something that is
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: going to shut this crowd up, is going to stop
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: this run. If you have a wide open corner three,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: by all means take it. We will live with a
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: good shot even if it's a miss. But I need
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: something that will stop this bleeding right now.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: And they held the timeouts.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: That was That was also puzzling that they didn't do that.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I and again, like you said, we'll get Gordy's opinion
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: on some of this and what his thoughts and what
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: happened there, But I couldn't help.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: But wonder.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Is Kenny Atkinson just the Is he just another version
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: of Quinn Snyder in regard of like obviously really bright
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: I think are really really you know, genius level type
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: thinking as a coach, but also puzzling, puzzlingly, maddeningly puzzling
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: moves in playoff game playoff game collapses where it's like
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Kenny Atkinson, he's not he's not taking timeouts, Quinn Snyder's
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: sticking with his lineups that aren't working right. Is Kenny
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Atkinson cut from the same cloth of a Quin Snyder
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Where it's like this guy should be much better, but
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: when it comes when the chips are really down. He leaves,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: you leaves a lot of things wanting. Is that what
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: we're seeing in Cleveland? I don't know, And ironically with
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: two Donovan Mitchell ed teams, I don't know.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Well, we get to unpack all of it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Gordy's gonna be here in studio for an hour today.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: We also have Adrian Denny coming in to preview Game
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: one of the Western Conference Finals in the NHL. Colorado's
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: gonna be without one of their most important players for
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: game one.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: We're gonna get to all that stuff.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Also, some big words coming out of Big Ten Meetings.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: The commissioner there says we're committed to twenty four teams
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: in the college football playoff. Guys, we just got to twelve.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: And I did say Big Ten Meetings. The most powerful
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: entity right now in college sports is, of course, the
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Big Ten Conference. So where there's smoke, there's fire, there's
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of meat on the bone. For the show today,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: we're going to try to get to all of it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Gorda Chier is the next. It's the Sean O'Connell Show
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: on ESPE and ninety twofm peace out.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Giasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Let's not get crazy.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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  Speaker 1: the day I list Today, here's o C with basketball
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: samon Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show, The Mind.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Come on all right, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Welcome in Gordy Chiasa. Remember I've got PFL duties this week,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: So instead of Tuesday Thursday with Gordy, we did Monday
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Wednesday with Gordy. And actually the timing has worked out
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: magically because we have now two overtime games to discuss
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: in the way Eastern Conference Finals and the Eastern Conference Finals.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: So far as the NBA Playoffs continue, we are your
• 30:06
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• 30:09
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• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Gordy, Hello, I know you have some thoughts. How are you?
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: I am doing well? My thoughts right now? Where we've seen,
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: as NBA fans, two classic games back to back in
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: game ones of each conference finals. There's nothing like the
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: NBA playoffs. It's outrageous. It's a phenomena. Happens for players, coaches, referees,
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: organizations either get exposed or you get exposure. And how
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: do you want to look at this exposure or exposure?
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: And last night the Cavaliers got exposed and Nick Oboca's
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: got exposure. And then on Monday night both teams played
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: unbelievable but someone had to win that game. But last
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: night's more importantly in massiminc Garden in front of a
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: stellar crowd. Chonavino. So I love to watch the crowd.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I love to watch the people on court side who
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: they are, and it's almost like Hollywood East.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fun.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed that version there that part of the game
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: as well. I was I was telling the story of
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: how I kind of I kind of turned the game
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: on late and I was like, oh man, this because
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: we had been spoiled by the Monday night game being
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: so incredibly competitive back and forth, double overtime, and I
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: tuned in and I was just like, oh man, Cleveland's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: up by like sixteen or whatever, like ow, this game's
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: not gonna be as good. And then of course New
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: York decided that they were gonna flip a switch and
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: go at James Harden And I want to talk about
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: that mega run that New York went on specifically right
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: because if it were an easy thing to do, every
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: team that ever finds themselves in a hole would do it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: To me, to you, what was the catalyst for the
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: beginning of that run? Was that a conversation on the
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you know, during a TV time out, was that Jalen
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: brunts and being like, all right times running out, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: have to do this. What sparks something like that for
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: the New York Knicks last night?
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Well, when it's collective, so choes alluding to right now
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: is with the castrew up twenty two points with eight
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: minutes left in the fourth quarter, and in a big
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: picture of context, the Knicks run momentum wise, was a
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: forty four to eleven run from this from the second
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: half on into the overtime. What happens is there. What
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: happens is that as a group collectively, the players rally
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: around defensively where they've dug in and then they score
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: points off their defense. We got much more aggressive defensively.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: They were able to really get steals and momentum rebounds
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: and we're able to convert on it. Jalen Brunson took
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: over the game. So as a group they played much
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: better defense with Brunson with spectacular He scored fifteen points
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter and it's how he got them showing.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: You talk about guys making bank shots, He's driving in
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: the lane and he was absolutely the best bankshoot of
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: all time is Sam Jones and Bill Walton and Tim Duncan. However,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: and his, however, Jalen Brunson did it on the run
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: incredible circumstances. He had that unbelievable touch. Jalen Brunson I
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: call is a bump of car, bump of car finisher,
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: just like you, just like in your okay, bump a car.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: He people get. He takes hits and he finished with
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: a soft touch and he was spectacular. There is no
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: answers for him.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: There was one where he puts a move on Harden
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and there's nobody in front of him, right and he
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: puts it up with this strange arc on the ball.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I was like, as it's going off his hand, I'm like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: oh man, he missed because it hits the rubber on
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: the top of the dang backboard, but he's got the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: right spin on it, and of course he knows what
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: he's doing and it goes, he sinks it. I think
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: that's that maybe brought him within six or something. But
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I was like, man, that guy, he really has a
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: mastery of finishing on those moves.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: And what happens sean So Jellen bruns and type people,
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: they grew up in the schoolyard. In the schoolyard, especially
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: the East Coast, the backboards are dead, the metal backboards
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: are dead, so you're able to really get they we
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: call that spinning English. You get English. You know the
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: expression English on the ball?
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like in billiards.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And that's what Brunson tight people have. But
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: it's when he did it. He did it against James Harden.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: So here's the question philosophically for the Calves, They've got
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: to pick themselves off the matt where for the first
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: two and a half quarters they played a great game
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: and in the last quarter and a half and the
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: ot they absolutely struggled. And so now during the game,
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: I was showing at the TV set of wind Up
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: putting the game back Max shrus because Max Shruth was
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: on a few guys on the Cavs roster that can
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: can physically with Brunson off the dribble, that's what we
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: call chest down chest numbers on numbers. They tried James Harden,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: who was absolutely fools. Gold and Sam and Sam Merrill
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: tried to guard him. He can't do it athletically, and
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: that's where Brunson got it running going by really changing
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: speeds and be able to get into paint and make plays.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: The knickerbock if you're a Knick fan, and many people
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: are in this area with the Knicks franchise, it was
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: the largest comeback ever in franchise history in a playoff game.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: That's how that's how magnitude it was during the game. However,
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: it's only the first game. Even though for the Calves
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: it's painful, James Harden's got to play better offensively. See,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: if you're gonna play Harden in the game, we know
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: defensively he struggles, but offensively last night is even more so.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: Last night's game, Harden had more turnovers than made baskets.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: He had six, showing he had six turnovers and only
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: five made baskets. He goes five to sixteen, so it's
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: almost like in last night's game, he was unplayable. He
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: couldn't guard anybody, and he couldn't make a shot.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Well, it's a bad scenario, the decision making that you
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: make to keep him in the game and to have
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: him guarding Jalen Brunson, especially as that comeback is being
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: mounted by New York. Look, it's easy to point out
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: James Harden's defensive liability. It's easy to say, oh my gosh,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: what are you doing? Why is he the guy? The
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: bigger problem for me, if I'm a Cavs fan with
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: how that happened last night, is that I've left James
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Harden on the floor. I know that he is not
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: going to do anything for me defensively, even though he
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: should have been better than he was. But what he
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: is supposed to do, and I think you heard me
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: talking about this when you were stepping into the studio,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: what he's supposed to do is he's at least supposed
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: to interrupt that momentum by making offensive shots, by getting
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: the right shot, by facilitating somebody else's shot. If you
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: can't make your own, he's an offensive dynamo, or he's
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: supposed to be, so he should be able to match,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson shot for shot, or failing that, at least
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: hit a three pointer, get to the foul line whatever
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: to stop that momentum.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Why wasn't he able to do that.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Because he overdribbled. What happened in that run by the Knickerbockers.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: The CounterPunch was that the Cavaliers, philosophically at those moments
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: of the game, they all over dribbled in the middle
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: of the floor versus swing swing swing passes, moved the
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: defense shifted and then come back to the middle of
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: the floor and then we call a catch and gold drive,
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: and they did the opposite. They dribbled in front of everybody.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: The defense was locked in and they couldn't make a
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: shot because the bull had no energy. Sure, it's so
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: interesting in any sport when the bull is popping on perimeter,
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: when you're playing in rhythm offensively, the round ball has energy.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: Last night, the energy was by the Nickobackers with Jalen Brunson,
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: who really didn't over dribble. He was crafty in the lane.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: He make place. And the opposite side was the Cavaliers.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: They dramatically in that negative run for them. As far
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: as the scoring drought. Basically the whole team ever dribbled.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: When did you see this? The calves swing the bomb perimeter,
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: pop it around, they get a good shot at a rhythm.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: They hardly did that at all. They did it in
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: for the first uh two quarters and a half, but
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: at the end of the game they did not. Let's
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: add to that, how about the power of shooting meeting
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: off the bench was so critical. Landry Shamman didn't score
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: a point for the first three quarters and then he
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: scores nine points in the fourth and the overtime. He
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: had that friendly rim shown that showing that a jump
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: shot that went in, that three point shot reminded me
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: of so much of Kawhi Leonard back in twenty nineteen.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: We made that that hit, the hit, the hit the rim,
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: bounce out, bounce in, bounce out, bounce in, meaning what
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: friendly rim of the garden? And he played great Landed
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: Shaman Brunston again as the catalyst. Besides scoring, he was
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: really smart as far as what he did when they
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: were trying to double team him. He kept the dribble
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: alive without over dribbling. It was really measured of bounces
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: and he passed the ball to the open guy, and
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: in that over time and in the end of the
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: fourth quarter there was those four May threes, two by Shammitt,
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: one by og And and Obie, and one by the
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: kel Bridges. And that was the heartbreaker. The Knicks outscored
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: the Cavs fourteen to three in the overtime. DONVD Mitchell,
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: who played spectacular to start the game, he struggled again.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: He couldn't finish through contact and the philosophically, he had
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: the ball too much. He had the ball in his
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: hands and he was dribbling sidewis versus what trying to
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: attack mode. When was the last time he said, Donvid
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: Mitchell take a pull up jump shot. It's either what
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: a three or wat or to the rim? Right, the
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: mid range game is so critical. It didn't happen last night.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Why hold on the timeouts? Philosophically, if you're if you're
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: a head coach.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Okay, you shouldn't. Last night's game. The flow of the game,
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: the way the Knicks strike, dribble, you've got to call timeout.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: Usually speaking when a team's on the scoring rampage like
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: that against you, you might you don't say any timeouts
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: except for one, possibly just one. Usually to advance the
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: ball in the last what minute of a game. That's critical,
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: but at that time, Hazy, we don't want to do
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: You don't want to leave two timeouts on the table
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: when it's a run like that, And that's what happened.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: So it was a critical mistake by the Calves coaching staff.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: Usually speaking again the head coach, your job as an
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: assistant coach during a game is to be the eyes
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: for the head coach, not his voice. But within that
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: point right now, the Calves assistant coaches should have mentioned
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: often to the head coach, think about having a time
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: out at that moment, and they probably did not, And
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: the head coach was so what immersed in the game
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: of trying to get a desperation basket, see a desperation basket,
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: that he probably didn't have his senses about the run
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: because offensively they couldn't score, so they couldn't stop him.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: That's one thing, But as a head coach in the
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: in the NBA, you're thinking about how can we score
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: versus what how we stopped them, and that's the job
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: of the coaching staff. They failed miserably and it affected
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: them as far as the outcome. Nick Oboker's point of view,
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: you're giddy if you're a Nick fan. Last night, Sean,
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: you know in New York area right now, I'm in
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: New York in New Jersey Height. So there was a
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: there was almost a Long Island Railroad strike. See Long
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: Alan Railroad connects right to That's where God underneath it
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: is the tracks. So those people for three days were suffering, Sewan,
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: all these millions of people that take the L I
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: R R to and to uh Penn station, they were miserable.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: But last night they went home. What one the strike ended,
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: and two the home team won.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Wild.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I went like that wipes out all the angst, all
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: the problems, all the trouble for the city for you know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: half a day probably, Sean.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: I said to colleague of mine this morning, who went
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: to the game last night. I said that all the
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: restaurants and bars around mess and Guard last night made
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: a hundred thousand dollars in about ten minutes after the game,
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: of all the fans coming out. We don't want to
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: go home, Let's go.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Celebrate, Let's go grab a beer, grab a drink.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: Sewan, one hundred thousand dollars in the last and the
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: ten minutes after the game, jimultif sean playoff basketball, there's
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: nothing like it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Well, I start nothing. I started talking about.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: You know, in the regular season, there was all these
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: conversations about like, hey man, the NBA's got a problem.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: This tanking stuff's gotta be fixed. During the regular season.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Oh man, these ratings are not as strong as we
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: think they should be. The NBA's got a problem. Oh man,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: this load management. This is an issue for the NBA
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: during the regular season. The NBA's got problems during the playoffs.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: No, they don't. During these playoffs.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: What you've got is incredible basketball by the best players
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: in the world, and it washes all that bad taste
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: out of your mouth.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Well said, absolutely, you should work for the NBA. As
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: far as being the ambassador, you should for another job
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: you have shall you have more judge to anybody I
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: know and counting. However, we're glad that you hear. If
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: you speak right now, it's sad to this is that
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: if you're a Cavalier, fear is that it's still only
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: one game. So now the question is the mental focus
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: that if I was counting the Cavaliers' coaching staff, I
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: would show just clips of how they were able to
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: jump on the Nicobacer's for a twenty two point lead,
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: and then just show one or two negative clips of
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: how they overdribbled and how they stood around. As far
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: as them not going to the offensive boards. Remember when
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: you miss shots all the time, there's chances of rebounds,
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: and minus Eric Mobley, they didn't do it, so they've
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: got to reassess that. And the after this is that,
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: do you realize that Sam Merrill, local guy from Bountiful
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: High School Braves Go Braves, had the open look right
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: now and he's a knockdown shooter, just didn't amosure. This
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: whole thing is fractional. We're talking about Nickobaca LoveFest right now,
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: and if Sam makes that shot, guess why power to
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: the people.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all of that. Hey, they almost did it,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: but almost doesn't count. My old fifth grade teacher shout out,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: mister Bogan shoots anytime you told him I almost finished something.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I almost did what I was supposed to do. It's
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: almost only counts at hand grenades and horseshoes.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: Oh I like that. And my fifth grade teacher was
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: a nun system McGillicutty head. That was her name system
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: McGillicuddy head and she took me about world geography and
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: later on shown I'm gonna test you on two countries
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: about a capitol ooh, as we get all less much
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: later on in this show. I know that shown you're
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: a citizen of the world. I try to be yes,
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: you are, No, you will. We'll see.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: We'll see how well I do with Gordy's geography test.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: We got a lot left to get to. Hot lunch
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: is coming next. I'm gonna ask Gordy to think about
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: this while we're in the break. One of the most
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: fascinating things that I've seen from the very start of
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: these Eastern and Western Conference Finals is the games that
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: shipped the conversation last night. After that game, Mike Brown,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: every Knicks player that was asked said, yeah, we were
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: deliberately going at James Harden. Yes, we were exposing James Harden. Yes,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: it was no secret that we were attacking James Harden.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: He's a veteran, he's a multiple time All NBA players,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: a multiple time All Star. How do you coach James
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Harden after he sees a performance like we saw and
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: after he hears his opposition say we know you're the weakness.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Gordy's gonna tell us next. It's the Sean O'Connell Show
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• 46:46
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• 46:58
  Speaker 3: asked you how you coach James Harden, who look, he's
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: been there, he'd done that, he's seen it all. It's
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: not like he's some young cat that you got to
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: hold his hand and walk him through anything in these
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: NBA playoffs. But he's a guy who's looking at the numbers,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: knows that Jalen Brunson going against him was successful last night,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: a lot less successful when he was going against anyone else.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: He knows that he and Donovan Mitchell missed nine to
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: the last ten attempts down the stretch and didn't help
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Cleveland win that game, and of course New York ultimately
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: completed the comeback and did win. And then he heard
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: the opposing team and the opposing head coach, when asked
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: by the media, say yeah, we were going at James
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Harden on purpose. How do you help him get that
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: out of his mind?
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: First thing is pay of pressure. There's not more of
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: the coaching staff. It's the internal group. Is that his
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: teammates and floormates. I'm sure during the film session and
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: even when they're on the bus, they're talking about that
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: we have to all dig in, including you, James, that
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: we've got to be able to play more as a
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: collective group should. When a star player that's a veteran,
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: it's not the coaching staff that talks to the player,
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: talks to him about a certain deficiency. It's the peer
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: pressure within and that's being a good teammate because actually
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: the stakes are paramount and they're high, and so with
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: their CABS point of view, it would be Donovan Mitchell
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: that's talking to him. Also right now, it should be
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Max Shruce, who's also a veteran, should be talking to him.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: And then as Shrewder see, Shrewder should be talking to
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: him also, and speaking than the shrewder is that he
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: he's a good guy that possibly could have guarded Jalen Brnson.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: Lest Yeah, so I mentioned mentioned earlier by Max Shru's physicality,
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: but trud is also a quickness. So we'll see how
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: it all plays out. But Harden's got to be himself,
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: have to be more prideful. It comes out to really
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: why just pride yourself? Defense? Defense? Besides, the technique is
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: absolutely concentration, effort and pride.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about we we we discussed it
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but let's talk about we get a
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: game two tonight San Antonio Oka.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: See Victor wem Benyama.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: You can't say that he arrived because we already knew
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: what he was, right.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: But it's a different thing in Western.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Conference Finals playoff basketball, going up against the MVP, who
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: took the award that you wanted and made it public
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: that you wanted all season long, and then you proved
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: your point with one of the great performances we have seen,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: an all time classic and hopefully foreshadowing on what this
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: series is going to be for the next five or
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: six or maybe a full seven game series. I just
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: wanted your thoughts on the Spurs, the double overtime victory
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: and of course webbin Yama's Monster Knight.
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: Yes first year wen Beyamba is that we've never seen
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: a guy ever like this player ever. He can bind
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: so many different skills. He has the footwork of a
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: chem a Laja one. He's got the passing skills and
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: the awareness of like a Magic Johnson Larry Bird type.
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: He's got the shot plot, the ability of Bill Russell
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: and Wilt and the most important thing about him add
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: to the skill, is that he's joyful. The lucky sounds
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: so trivial, going what are you talking about joyful? He's joyful,
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: which means that if your star player is joyful, or
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: the person in your office who runs the whole joint
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: is joyful, most times the workplace is joyful. And that's
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: that's his team. They play with a sense of joy
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: because their star player has a personality where he gets
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: everybody involved as far as as far as his performance
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: and he praises people. I call it airborne magic. Once
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: Victor Webbiama goes airborne, there's nobody on this planet can
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: stop him airborne. And it's and that he goes he
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: combines both to the points. He combines a velocity points
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: and also finesse points. That's hard to do.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Well his length.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Obviously, his incredible quickness is footwork when he's in traffic,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: when he's in the lane. It's incredibly impressive the fact
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: that he can do all of that.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: But then he can also pull up.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: From ten feet beyond the three point arc and sink
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: a shot that his team needs to tie it or whatever.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: That's something that big men don't do or something that
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: we have never seen someone his size be able to
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: do something like that.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: That's correct. That was Steph Curry at seven foot three
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: and a half. That was Steph. We all seen Steph.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: We all love stuff coming down and twenty eight foot
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: just pull up and he did with the magnitude of
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: when he did it. He showed unbelievable courage and that
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: there was no doubt and he's mine yos right now.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: He took the shot, he stayed in the shooting motion.
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: He shot it and stayed in the motion, which tells
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: everybody that this shot is going in versus why drifting
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: foward or soil wards? Not sure right now. So that's
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: how important it was. Now from the Thunder point of view,
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: by the way, the defending champions is that they they
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: woke up in the fourth quarter and that sha Jos
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: Alexander who play who came alive in the fourth quarter
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: and the overtime. Let's not forget is that he's still
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: scored twenty four points and the twelve assists right now,
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: and that the Spurs did a great job we called
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: in basketball technically the good They did a good job
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: on Shay as far as corralling him, as far as
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: the health defense. Most times he was trying to go
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: against two or three people with rem Beyonmberg being in
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: the lane as the last detriment as far as trying
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: to stop him, and they were successful. Now, the flip
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: side right now for them tonight would be is that
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: is again popped the wall around primitive, get the ball
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: more to shade in space versus what everybody's staring at
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: him as far as defensively where they're trying to stop him.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: Next part of that, the Thunder big guys have to
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: play better and be more engaged. Jet Hungrim struggled the
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: whole game eight points, two for seven. It was no factor.
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: And Isaiah Hartenstein, who's physical only played fourteen minutes. Caruso,
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: we love him, Hey, we love you dog, and he
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: played tremendous offensively and he bout when beyonber but there's nobody,
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: there's no way Caruso, who we all love, can god
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: win BEYONMBA once he goes airborne. So they've got to
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: make that adjustment where they're going to play big on
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: big versus Crusoe's tenacity on when beyonder it's not gonna work,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: and that they'll make that adjustment during the game. And
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: Jets got Jet's gotta get involved more himself right now,
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: all right? Jazz Basketball in Salt Lake City, we're picking
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: number two. We're picking number two in the draft, meaning
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: the Jazz And last year it was Dylan Harper, and
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: Dylan Harper had a first playoff special moment where he
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: goes twenty four points, eleven rebounds and are you kidding me?
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: Seven steals, you know, Sean, And most most times in America,
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: stealing is illegal, but in the NBA it's encouraged, But
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: in the it's right. In the NBA, thievery is encouraged.
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: And that was Dylan Harper last partment Monday Night and
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: the Jazz picking number two, they're hoping to get someone
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: like that talent. And you know something, Jazz fans, you're
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: going to whoever the Jazz pick at two, they're gonna
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: get a multi talented player that will do eventually do
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: some serious damage as the Jazz go forward in playoff history,
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: they will.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I don't want to belabor the hate on James Harden
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: too much, but when we're talking about drafting it too,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: you definitely want someone who can score the ball. You
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: probably want someone maybe who's a ball dominant guard. Wink wink,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: nudge nudge, Jazz, But that guy. You can't pick someone
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: who is a defensive liability in today's NBA right.
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: No, you cannot know what happens though. You lean towards
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: offense in the draft, and then you've got to get
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: the coaching staff as a group keep developing that players
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: defensive effort and tenacity and technique. Now, James Harden, unfortunately
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: from his teammates point of view, wants to only score
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: the ball. After all these years, this is James Harden
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: in the NBA right now, This is this is James Harden,
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  Speaker 6: a seventeenth season in the NBA. He should know better,
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  Speaker 6: but he has I call it Abneesha something from Abnezia.
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  Speaker 6: Now here's the thunder the win tonight's game, showing I gave,
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  Speaker 6: I gave some quick things. Is entetis when they double
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  Speaker 6: team Shay that the shooters have to be ready to
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  Speaker 6: shoot the ball and be able to score through physicality.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: Besides Shae, the other guys have to do meaning Chet Hongrim.
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  Speaker 6: They've got to keep big on big defensively as much
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: as possible. They got to generate more steals. Is that
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: the way the way to play playoff basketball? You got
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: to steal the ball when they go zone to the
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: spurs or a masquerade zone. All right, remember that when
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: beyond the plays of one man's zone, I thought zone
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  Speaker 6: is illegal in the NBA. Sean, And you know, Sean,
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  Speaker 6: my memory bank right now. Someday, Sewing, if I come
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  Speaker 6: back on Earth as a different person, I want to
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: be Vlady Divak.
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  Speaker 4: You want to be reincardinated.
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: Yea, that's exactly right, Sean, You heard it right now,
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: that's right?
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: Why right?
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: Because I because Bloody dvac led the NBA in the
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  Speaker 6: most ever non call playing one on one zone in
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  Speaker 6: the lane.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, fair in the lane, blody devoc.
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: He put one foot in the lane and then take
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  Speaker 6: one out and the referee let him do that. And
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: that's when Beyond. But also so you got to move around.
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: You gotta wen beyonder involved in a pick and roll
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: as far as even in job coverage, which means then Sean,
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: you're taking some three point shots, but also taking what
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: mid range pull up jump shots. As far as that
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: pick and roll you come off it on a dance dribble,
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: you're taking mid that midi shot and a less one
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: right now is that you've got to rebound as a group.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: So when Beyonber gets twenty four rebounds during the game,
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: and that's commendable, but from the Thunder point of view,
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: you gotta gang rebound. You gotta get in there and bite,
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: fight claw to get rebounds. So that should be the
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: game plan as far as the Thunder to try to
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: recapture some mojo, they can do it. They defending champion,
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: they have a great less up. Again, they lost in
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: double over time.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about what to expect from that game
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: a little bit more. Uh, A former beloved jazz man
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: has called the quits in the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna get to that. Gordy Steel got a list
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  Speaker 4: during the break.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna look up where if Lottie Devac is now
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: because I haven't seen him lately.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what he's up to.
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  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show, with plenty left to get to It's
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  Speaker 7: Let me tell you so, I'll give it what you
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  Speaker 1: I know you were listening to The Sean O'Connell Show
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  Speaker 1: from the Murdoch Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 4: Am, Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Our two begins, like our one ended with Gordy Chaza
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  Speaker 3: here in our studio with us lucky to have him
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  Speaker 3: picking his brain on all things NBA. Game two tonight,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: six thirty thunder Spurs Western Conference Finals. And as much
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: as we were gushing about Victor Winbinyama's performance and how
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: incredible and dominant he was, he had to be that
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: good and chant Holmgren had to have a bad game
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: and shake Gildess. Alexander had to have a pretty average
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: game in order for the Spurs to get a double
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: overtime win.
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  Speaker 4: What does the bounce back look like for Oklahoma City that.
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  Speaker 6: She went tonight, that they know that they're really an
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: elite team and that they've got to just play better
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: as far as schematically, so they'll make some adjustments as
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: far as gotting Wemby and Stephan Castle is a very
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: good player also for the Spurs, they're going to do
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: a better job of trying to contain him, and because
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: he was in a lane also making passes, and so
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: it's more schematically that they're going to just adjust somewhat.
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: And that's the NBA Playoffs is adjustments each game. However,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: you want to keep your core principles of what got
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: you there to the big dance, and so that's that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: fine line where you don't change everything, but a few
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: different alternatives you add a wrinkle to get through the game.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: And that's what they'll do right now. And if you're
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: the Spurs, you just got to keep playing as hard
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: as you can. You've got to move the ball on perimeter,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: and you've got to get yourself defensively ready to set
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: to try to contain dribble penetration. Of all the thunder play,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: it should be a great game show Manstin's telling me
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: that the series going to go deep. I'm saying seven games.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: Seven games.
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  Speaker 4: If there are anything like Game one was, that will
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  Speaker 4: be a treat.
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  Speaker 6: I was asked this question by a colleaguesman in the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: NBA about Wembyamber. Did I ever see or coach in
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: the game where it was like that? And I said,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: very simply, Michael Jordan's forty five point game and Game
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  Speaker 6: six to beat the Jazz for the championship in nineteen
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  Speaker 6: ninety eight, that was very similar to that. He was
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: Jordan was was incredible during the game. He made every
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: big shot, He willed his team to win that game.
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  Speaker 6: He did it both on offense and defense. And he
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  Speaker 6: was a once in a lifetime performance. And that was
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: when beyondber so Victor And by the way, here's the
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  Speaker 6: math showing Victor wen beyonmdber is only twenty two years young.
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  Speaker 6: So in jazz basketball, they've got to get someone, whether
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: it's Walker Kessler or someone else's future future cast out
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: to be able to try to again to try to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: slow down win Beyonder because that's they're in the same
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  Speaker 6: conference right now, and in jazz basketball, they're in the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: same division as the thunder, so they've you know, it
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  Speaker 6: was this past year in Jazz basketball, the Jazz were
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  Speaker 6: one to fifteen in division games, and so it's who
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  Speaker 6: you play against. And so in jazz basketball, they've got
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: to get Walker Kestler to keep wanting to besign him
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  Speaker 6: and then get him to keep improving. And then also
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: wherever the back was gonna to be with the use
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: of Nurcut or whoever it's going to be eventually if
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: it's Jaron Jackson, is that they've got to get everybody
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: ready to play against the other teams quote really elite
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: big guys in the Western Conference. There's too in particular
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: right now, meaning Hungering and the Victor wenb beyonda Also,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: you know, Sean, the Spurs backup center is very good.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: Louke Cornette very good. So Connett also adds the group
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  Speaker 6: to it. So if Victor gets in foul trouble, well,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: golf ever gets hurt during your game, Cornette is very
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: capable of backup and Cornette going to the Spurs instead
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: of staying with the Celtics hurt, the Celtics run as
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: far as them going deep in the playoffs. Besides Tatum
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: getting hurt.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Gordy the Athletic put out an anonymous play the results
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: of an anonymous player's poll. They Sam a Mcjosh Robbins,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Joe Varden, their writers NBA writers contacted players anonymously, ask
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: them questions and they tallied the results on the votes
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  Speaker 3: that they were able to collect about one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty ish votes on each of these, sometimes a little more,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: sometimes a little less. The first question they asked was
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: where's Yannis, or at least the first question. The answer
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: they published what team will Yannis be on to begin
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: next season? Forty five percent of the respondent said, it'll
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: be Milwaukee, then Miami, then New York, then the LA Lakers.
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  Speaker 3: We'll stay with the top three, Milwaukee, Miami, New York.
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  Speaker 3: Which one gets your vote?
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  Speaker 6: Miami? All right, yeah, Miami. So they got to move
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: Wiggins meeting Andrew Wiggins as part of that deal, and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: how am I to get also a third team involved as
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: far as a freeway trade? But I would say Mammy
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  Speaker 6: be the most likely. He's definitely not going back to Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 6: Your new coach, Taylor Jenkins, you want to have even
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: though again Yannis is an unbelievable talent, very much and
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  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one, the Bucks World Championship. They won it. Great,
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  Speaker 6: that's commendable. That was five years ago. The last five years,
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  Speaker 6: it's been no joy being in that building in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 6: It's some of it's self inflicted. Probably some of it's
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: what being envious for different teammates. Probably they made coaching changes,
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  Speaker 6: and now they're another coaching another coaching change with Tayler Jenkins.
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  Speaker 6: They're gonna move on from him.
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  Speaker 3: Players were asked which arena has the most passionate fans.
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  Speaker 3: The TD Garden number one, Madison Square Garden number two,
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  Speaker 3: pay Comm Center for the Thunder number three. The Utah
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  Speaker 3: Jazz got one point nine percent of the votes, so
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  Speaker 3: a step up from just the like also receiving votes category.
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  Speaker 3: And of course that's heavily reflective of the fact that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, jazz fans haven't had a lot to be
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: passionate about lately. But Boston, New York, Oklahoma City, Okay,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: that's East Coast bias. That's the first thing by the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: players they're equating. Also, they liked visit those cities for.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: The night life. This one I liked better.
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  Speaker 6: See that's part of it now, sure so NBA players think.
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  Speaker 3: Which arena has the most obnoxious fans? Okay, TD Garden
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  Speaker 3: also number one in that poll, so they're the most
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: passionate according to the NBA players, but also the most obnoxious.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: Then the seventy six ers, Then Madison Square Garden Jazz fans,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: you're number four, number four. Eight point two percent of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: the vote on most obnoxious fan base goes to the
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  Speaker 3: Jazz fans, So you're getting in the head of the
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  Speaker 3: opposing team.
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  Speaker 6: Well, his Philadelphia, remember showing they used to boo Santa Claus.
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  Speaker 4: They threw like batter reasons hit.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Santa Claus for the listeners right now. During the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: Eagles playoff games, the opposition they were booing Santa Claus
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: because he was messing with the He was messing with
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: the Eagle fans, so they boot him. Now showing said
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  Speaker 6: to this, if the Jazz fans are number four, that's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: because the Jazz historically play hard and physical and the
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  Speaker 6: opposition didn't like that. So if the ex Allen Iverson
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: and Westbrook and those other people, a lot of times,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: Luca Dantage, they're always complaining, Oh, by the way, we
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: don't like Salt Lake City because we don't get no
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: calls there because historically the Jazz play physical and hard
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: and they don't like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a little badge of honor if the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: opposing players think that you're obnoxious as a fan base,
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  Speaker 3: because it means you're getting in their head.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 6: John. Also, today and yesteryear, the Sacramento Kings Arco Arena
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  Speaker 6: was absolutely happening. Yeah again, people forget back in the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: early two thousands is that the Kings had it rolling.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: They were and that place was hopping and Sewan the cowbell.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: The cow bell made it loud.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Plade Divac would be out out front smoking cigarettes at halftime,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: just giving the place its own ambiance. Speaking of Sacramento,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: they made the top three on this next poll question
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: what's the first.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: Team on your no trade list?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: I saw this thing. The results on this one was
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: leaked a few days back. The Memphis Grizzlies are apparently
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: the most or the least desirable NBA team for players.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: That's the team that thirty six percent of player said,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: I don't that's a no trade.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to the Memphis Grizzlies.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Washington Wizards was number two, Sacramento Kings was number three
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: of the teams that players would not want to be
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: traded to. Then it was New Orleans, Brooklyn, and the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz got five percent of the responses saying I
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: don't want to be traded to Utah. This though, it's
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: funny because you don't want to be the sixth most
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: or the seventh most or sixth least desirable location. But
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: given the conversation that's surrounded Utah for so long, oh,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: that's nobody wants to be there. Only five percent of
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: players even mentioned I would not want to be traded
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: to the Utah Jazz. So that's weirdly encouraging.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 4: Add to that.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: Historically, once the players come to Utah, they love. It
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: is a misconception about Utah for all the wrong reasons,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: and it's delusionary because Utah is a great place to live,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: especially if your family orientated. And I always say this
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  Speaker 6: to people, specially back East. If back East is twenty
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  Speaker 6: five night clubs in a midtown Manhattan and in Atlanta,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: here in Utah's five nightclubs, and so that's fine, and
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: that's good, and that the social life is really good
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: for the young players, especially the young unmarried players, and
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: it's a great place to play. And now Ryan Smith,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: the owner, he wants to win and that they have
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: everything in place in jazz basketball with the facility as
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: far as the ownership level, they do want to win
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: and that it's going to be a great place for it. Again,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: I know I'm somewhat bias because I live here, but
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: I'm a former East coastenter and I've seen it devolution
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: of it's shown.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you can't ignore what this team is doing, and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: whether you're biased for or against the Utah Jazz, you
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: have to look at it and say, man, this ownership
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: group is putting a very significant effort in We talked
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: about the facility being built down there now, the Inner
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Mountain Healthcare medical facility that's going to be attached to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: the Jazz practice and Utah Mammoth Practice facility, and players
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: were asked what's the smartest What did the smartest team
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: spend money on besides player contracts?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Eighty six percent said that.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Accessory staff, support staffcil, et cetera. They put it in
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: a player comfort sort of category, and eighty six percent
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: of the respondent said that's the most important thing you
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: can spend your money on. That's exactly what Smith Entertainment
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: Group is spending their money on right now. James did
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: a great job pointing this out when we were doing
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: the show prep, like you have a perfect example. You
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: hear the Mammoth players talk about it, you hear the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Jazz players talk about it, and you can drive down
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: I fifteen, you can get off on the one hundred
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: and sixth exit and you can see the actual building
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: being put up. This is where a lot of that
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: money is going to provide facilities that are going to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: be not just comparable to the elite, they are going
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: to be the example. They're going to be the elite
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: facilities in the league for the Utah Jazz.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: Correct, And that's why they're very happy. They'll be competing
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: for getting a free agents and also they're going to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: be signed their own players. So things are in place
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: for the Jazz to make a quantum jump as far
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: as in the standing, and that's absolutely important. Add to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: that is that you want to feel comfortable in your
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: work environment, sure, and that's it, And that's if once
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: you feel uncomfortable, the chances of you succeeding are dramatically higher.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: This was interesting too. There's some collective quotes.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Again, it's an anonymous poll, so you don't know which
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: player said this, But there's several different quotes about how
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: important the support staff is.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I didn't know.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't have any idea whether the you know, the
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: players on an NBA team, the players on the Utah
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Jazz team care who their equipment guy is, care who
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: their messuse is, care who. But several quotes saying the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: quality of the support staff and keeping people around who
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: have been there. That's what good teams do. And we
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: just saw the opposite of this, by the way, in
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Portland with their cheap owner. He laid off seventy people
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: or something like that, and the Portland Trailblazers organization just
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: cleaned house trying to cut costs. That's not gonna that's
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: not gonna vibe well with his team with the players
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: on his team very much.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: And from jazz point of view, good for the Jazz, yeah,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: because then suddenly that the people don't want to go
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: there because of the perception of what's going on. It's
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: important the physical therapists, who the team doctors are, who
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: the trainers are, who the supports them, who's in charge
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: of of outreach as far as community outreach. Uh, who
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: takes me go to to speak at the schools, Sean.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: These are all things that behind the scenes. There's many
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: jobs in the in the n b A and from
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: a team standpoint that people don't really think about that's
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: really impactful. And the players are involved in every facet
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: of it. Because remember is that most of the players,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: besides playing, they're part of the community. And the better
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: teams have the players interact with the fans, if not
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: a daily basis, most often, and that's why there's a show, Sewan.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: There's a connectivity between the organization and the players with
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: the most important people of the fans. Remember, without the fans,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: there's no team.
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  Speaker 3: Will Hardy specifically voted ninth most impressive coach in the league.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: He got three percent of the votes. Joe Mizula was
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: number one.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, Will Hardy was also voted the ninth least
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: impressive coach in the league, so he had the same
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: ranking in the most impressive poll and the least impressive poll.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: I think, and we've said this in a lot of
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: different ways a lot of different times on the show,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: I think the verdict in a lot of ways is
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: still out on Will Hardy. We're going to find out
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: a lot more about him next season when they're trying
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: to win, when the governor chip has taken off. When
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: he's not the rains aren't constantly being pulled back.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: I think we find out a lot about Will Hardy,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: and by extension, so will these other players in the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: rest of the league.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: Ad tod So from coaching standpoint, a coach means that
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: you're in charge of the whole team, but it's definitely
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: being a teacher. So see, a teacher of basketball is
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: when you can teach skills at an elite level to
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: make it simplify for the players where they can combine
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: their natural talent and the skills they've acquired in the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: team setting. And that's coaching. So coaching is also part
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: of it is teaching and also showing. Part of it
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: is what delegating that the best coaches or superior teachers,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: and they delegate people around them have their expertise of
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: what they can do to enhance the players their performance,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: and it's it's interwoven and interconnected and that's what makes it.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: Good Man My last point about that is so and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: said to me right now, who's the best coach in
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: the NBA. I would say it's it's Eric s. Bostram.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I said, I would say there was on
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: the least impressive coach. This is kind of just a
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: mean butarious point. Number one on least impressive was Brian
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: Keith for the Wizards. And one player. Again, Anonymous said
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: I'm voting for whoever coaches the Wizards, like he didn't
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: even know who the Wizards coach was that particular player.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: Okay, so again mean s I have to know a
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: sub text of that, how well were the players? Where
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: the players above thirty years old and veterans or with
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: the young fellas that it's all about.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Me across section? Yeah? Show, yeah, all right, Gordy, what's
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: your list today? All right?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Shump oh wait, I don't mean to interrupt. I want
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: to make sure we give our shout out to Joe Ingles.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: Yes, Joe Ingles quickly, Joe Ingles returning back to Australia,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: his native country. He played in the NBA for twelve
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: years in the NBA, being undrafted. He just signed a
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: new contract with the Melbourne United of the Australian League. Remember,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: every Jazz fan really truly loves Joe Ingles. He played
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: there for eight years. He left Jazz as the all
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: time leading three point made triples in jazz history. And
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: that it's an amazing accomplishment that Joe did one thousand
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: and one eighty nine made triples. He shot from three
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: point range in Jazz basketball for the eight years forty
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: point eight percent from threes. And most of all is
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: that he was really a tremendous team leader. And Sean
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: very similar to you. He's lefty and that just like
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: Sean lives in the right handed world, so does Joe Ingls. Yes,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: all right, So and also after that, Joe helped the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: Australian national team when their win their first ever medal
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: Olympic basketball back in twenty twenty one in Tokyo. He
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: led the Australian Boomers to a bronze medal in the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: Olympics by his performance. Also him and also a guy
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: named a guy named Patty Mills. So there were spectacular
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: right now, all right, Sean, So Joe goes back to Australia.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 6: I want to test your knowledge about geography. Oh okay,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: all right, Sean. What's the capital of Australia Canberra. That's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: exactly right, and that's what Joe ingles. That's his hometown
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: where he played. All right, Sean, let's stay in that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: part of the of the world. What's the capital of
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: New Zealand.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: I want to say Auckland, but I think it's Wellington.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 6: That is correct. Yes, Sean, you're fifth grade geography? Well,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: here's your teacher he or she taught you well.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: I actually I never. I don't think I ever did
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: well in the spelling Bee, but I did. We had
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: a Geography Bee as well. I did better in the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: Geography be than I did in the spelling Bee.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: And one more about what's the capital of Salt Lake City?
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: Where do you love? An? What's the capital of salt
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: Lake City?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: We are the capital. Salt Lake City is the capital.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: No, it's Big Willie sports baring grill. Oh okay, perfect,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: Yes it is, Sean, Yes it is. And speaking of
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: big Willies barring grill. Add to that is my list
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: today is the Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame or
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: Future Hall of Fame. Players who never won an MVP
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: Award in the NBA to either in the Hall of
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: Fame or future Hall of Fame, and it's an amazing
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: list so shape that it back to back years. Victory
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: wen Beyama could be getting it very shortly. Also to
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: his guys that in the Hall of Fame or willoby
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame, were never named MVP George Gervin,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: Jason Kidd, Dame Lillard, Rick Barry Wolf, Frasier, Chris Paul Clyde, Drexler,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: Paul Pierce, Kawhi, Leonard, Dominic Wilkins, Gary Payton, Kevin McHale,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Scottie Pippen, Isaiah Thomas, John Hablchek,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: Dwyane Wade, Elgin Baylor, and last but not least, Jerry West.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: These guys would never He's never won an MVP never
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: Wow and Jazz basketball quickly. Cal Malone won it twice
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: MVP back in nineteen ninety seven and nineteen ninety nine,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: So it's hard to do.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: This will be a question for Gordian for James, whoever
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: can answer first how many NBA MVPs are not in
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame so far just won Dereck Rose.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Ding Ding Ding Ding, everyone else has been inducted into
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame after winning NBA MVP, and.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: Who knows, maybe Rose gets in. I'm not sure he will.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: And the reason why because he got hurt during his
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: career and didn't play as many games because the injuries.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: And he did it. So he did it when he
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: was really young, and so to last say five or
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: six seven years when he did play, he was hampered
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: by the injury on his lower leg right now, but
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: he's really a Hall of Fame talent.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: Of course, there's plenty active who are not in the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame yet, but those guys will be, like
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: those are Janis Jokic.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: Will Joel in the Hall of Fame? Yes he will,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: he will, Yes, he will. Yeah, even missing fifty of
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: the games in his career. I know, yeah, MB that's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: a question mark, but yeah, he might.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: I'll put in context if Amar Statam is a Hall
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: of Fame and Camello Anthony not Joel embiid.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: You put in two last Paris Olympics, it's a basketball
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, so again, it's an interesting question. But Sean,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: more importantly, I'm impressed by your geography. Remember, Sean is
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: a citizen of the world. And James and I were
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: citizens of Tuila.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: I've never been to either Canberra or Wellington, but I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: have been to Australia and to New Zealand. Gonna have
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: to make a visit to all those capital cities. Gordy,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: you're the absolute man. Thanks for coming in and enlightening
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: us with all your basketball knowledge.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: Once again, thanks Sean, peace out.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: Enjoy the game tonight, Gordy.
• 1:21:22
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• 1:21:28
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• 1:21:30
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• 1:21:35
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  Speaker 3: The the anonymous pole in the Athletic that we just
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: were referencing also had a question about how much of
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: a problem is tanking. They did their anonymous The Athletic
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: did an anonymous NBA player poll. Forty three percent said
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: it's a little problem, twenty eight percent it's a big problem.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: Twenty eight percent said it's not a problem tanking in
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: the NBA. They also asked the question a simple yes
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: or no? Is the integrity of the game in danger?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: Now?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: That leaves a lot open to interpretation because of what
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: because of tanking, because of betting problems, because of the
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: money grubbing of you know, television contracts. Whatever is the
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: integrity of the game in danger? Seventy four percent said no.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Three quarters of the players said no. But that means
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: that a full one quarter one in four NBA players
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: at least that were participating in this anonymous poll, said
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: that the integrity of the game is in danger. That's
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: a large number of people worried about the integrity of
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: your sport when they are the professional players in the sport.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was interesting. It is interesting that there wasn't
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: They didn't make it a series of questions about the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: integrity of the game being in danger, because it would
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: have been I would have been more interested to know. Okay,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: do they feel that tanking is is threatening the integrative game?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: Do they feel that gambling is do they feel it
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: officiating is? Like I would have been more interested to
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: know those kind of subcategories within this follow and.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: Follow up is an important question here.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean our salary caps circumvention for example, shout
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: out to Steve Balmer and Pablo Torre.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: Shout out Balmer.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: But by the way, Pablo Torre has gone too far
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: with his investigative reporting. So because now he's called like
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: he he called out OSDA mentalist. Yah, you know, like
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: that he's a magician. Pablo to is Like I figured
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: it out, Pablo. We don't want that level of investigative reporting.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: We don't need to You don't need to ruin fun
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: levels of deception.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: Here.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: Here's a magicianry is fine.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing with magicians. We all know that magic
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: is not real, right, we all do. Huh, they're not
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: actually pulling the quarter out of thin air behind your ear.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: We all know that.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: Don't tell my wife, who's a huge Harry Potter fan
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: and fancies herself a witch herself.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, that kind of magic is real, but I'm
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: talking about the performative magic.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we all know it's not real. We know that.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: Mentalists, even though it seems like, how's that guy reading
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: everyone's mind, He's got some kind of he's got some
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: kind of tricks going on.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I could not love that stuff more.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: I it's amazing. Like my favorite thing is when Ozdamntalist
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: is going around to NFL training camps, guys that are
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: in the in the room, and he's just like, all right,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: to Matthew Stafford, give me any number between one and
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: a hundred. He gives him a number. All right, Jared Verse,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: give me any number between one and a hundred. He
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: gives him a number. And then he's just like, okay,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, throw the ball to any in this room,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: anyone that you want. And he throws it to someone
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: and that person, where's the jersey number? That happens to
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: be Jared versus Pick versus, Like those two things put together.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: And you're just like what, how did that happen?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: And then he pulls like a paper out of his
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: pocket and he's just like, I already wrote the name down.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: I knew who you were gonna throw the ball to.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: And you're like what, and the whole room goes crazy.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: I could not love that more.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Jets Hard Knocks a couple of years ago
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: and you had Aaron Rodgers just like, what how was
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: Oz doing this?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah? It's amazing. Right.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: My one of my brother's good friends growing up was
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: actually unbelievably talented musician. That's what he does. That's his job.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: He goes around his corporate events. He's like and he
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: does some mentalism too. So the first time I ever
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: saw mentalism done was on my mom when I was
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: like thirteen years old, twelve thirteen years old, and I
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: was just like, whoa, how did he do that?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: This is your friend, that's your age, it's No, it's
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: my older brothers from oh Okay. So it was like
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: a fifteen year old doing mentalism on my mom. Even
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: that young he was, he was that talented. He was
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: really and I was like, whoa, and I just love it.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: So, Pablo Torre, leave David Blaine and OZDA Mentalist out
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: of your investigative reporting.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, we don't leave it alone. We don't need
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: that debunked.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, you go ahead and go after Steve Balmer and
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: the soar CAF circumvention. He did a great episode on
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: the Deep State of James Dolan's Deep State and the
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Knicks and all their surveillance.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: And they're insane, like facial recognition technology.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: So like that kind of stuff.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: Fine, you can leave the magicianary if you will mentalism alone.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: I did not have on my Bingo card that Iowa
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: State in their athletic director would be the voice of
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: the people in the ever exp difficulty with keeping up
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: and playing the financial game around college sports.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: Jamie Pollard is.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: His name, and he is the aforementioned athletic director at
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: Iowa State University. He was asked about, Hey, what about
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: the Big the Big ten and the SEC breaking away,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: and he just said, you know what, let him break away.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: Just let him go.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: If we're all going to talk about it, let him
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: do it, let them do it.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: He said.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: I would turn it around and say we should break
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: away from them. No what I'm breaking up with you?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Big ten in sec You.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: Know what we're gonna do, Big twelve acc Newpac twelve American.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: We're go at all. We're gonna shake hands. We're gonna
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: be the college football Avengers.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: Where it's going to be an alliance. We don't need
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: to side any contracts because.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: Actually it's not that. What instead of alliance, we're gonna
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: call it Avengers. How about that, it's the exact same thing.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: We're just gonna We're gonna be a different brand, he said.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: He said this, I would turn it around and say
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: we should break away from them, let them go.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: But they have to go in all their sports.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: See how fun it is to play baseball and softball
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: and track in track when it's just the twenty of you.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Jamie Pollard, Sorry, my dog, this is the worst thing
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: you've ever said. You love the enthusiasm. You know what,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: if you want to go take all of your sports
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: and the Big ten in the SEC is like, all right, yeah,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: we've got all of the best softball teams in the country.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: We've got most of the best baseball teams in the country.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: We got a good chunk of the best basketball programs
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: in the country. We have all but like ten of
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: the best football programs in the country. So uh yeah,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: that's kind of the whole.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: Point when it if we want to get even more,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: you want to keep going here with the SEC, They've
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: got basically everybody wit Utah and the best gymnastic gymnastics
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: seems the country in Tent's got uc got UCLA, and
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: they've probably got a few others I'm not thinking of,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: but they they've got a Penn State volleyball is this
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: is like a national power, like they would be.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: Just fine, Jamie Pollard, love you dog, all right, big
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: twelve solidarity, we get it.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: You know what, Let them go, We're breaking up with you.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Is like saying to the much more successful, much more
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: attractive person in the relationship, you know what, fine, If
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: you're gonna go, though, you gotta take your job and
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: your money and your car and your vacation home, and
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: you better take your Frequent Flyer miles. While you're at it,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, I know, it's it's mine, it's
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: all mine.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: I'm taking it all. Yeah, well fine, I'm breaking up
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: with you though.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, the Seinfeld bit exactly, this is this is you said,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: Jamie Pollard. Are we sure it's not George Costanza or this.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: Is a very Costanza thing. Let it be known. Let
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: it's it's like the Office and Seinfeld meeting up.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: Let us be Scott George Constanza, I declare bankruptcy.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: It's like, just we're breaking up.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: But just so you know, it's us that decided that
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: we're breaking up, and the Big ten and the SEC
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: is just like, okay, fine, we'll take all the great
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: television contracts, we'll take all the great endorsement deals.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: We'll take what was the number seventy.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Five percent of the nil money out there, all right,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: and we're just gonna keep it, and we're gonna do
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: it our way. And Jamie Pollard is gonna sit down
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: in his athletic director's office at Iowa State and be
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: like I showed those idiots.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: He's gonna sit on his paper throne like we're doing
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: great over here. Mark Harlin's gonna call him and just
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: be like, dude, we need at least a team in
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: the college football Playoff and you just screwed us out
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: of that. Oh sorry, sorry, We're gonna make our own playoff.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: Who's the accy Jim Phillips calls it. He's like, uh yeah,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: Miami now doesn't get any of this stuff. We had
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: some good programs that we wanted to be part of
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: the big show and you just broke up on our
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: behalf with the Big Ten in the SEC.
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  Speaker 3: Make no mistake, ladies and gentlemen, the sentiment is shared.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of people, a lot of athletic directors,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of university presidents, a lot of fans.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: That are just like, yeah, fine, go do it. Don't
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: talk about it, be about it. If you're gonna leave, leave,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: But then you're like, oh wait, no, don't actually leave, Please,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: don't actually leave.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: And therein lies the power that the Big Ten and
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: THECC have, like we hate you, but we need you.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: You know what, you know what else, Jamie Pollard, I'll
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: throw my hat in your delusional ring.
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  Speaker 8: Here.
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  Speaker 5: We're gonna take all of Canada's top programs and we're
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: gonna we're gonna bring them into to the Big twelve.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: How about that Big ten SEC, maybe Mexico's too, We're
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: gonna take all.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna be North America's conference. I just the frustration
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: is understandable.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: But don't go out there and act like you speak
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: for anybody else, Jamie Pollard, because what your athletic director
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: needs to be doing, if you're at Utah, if you're
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: at BYU, if you're at Texas Tech, needs to be
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: like publicly stating support for your conference, for the upcoming
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: enthusiasm of this season, of this approaching calendar in the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: sports world, while also making phone calls.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 8: Like hey big tim Hey, yeah, it's me. I can't
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 8: talk right now too loud because Brett your marksis right
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 8: around the corner. But I actually want to be in
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 8: your conference, could you? Salt Lake City is an emerging metro, Okay,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: a lot of televisions. We're gonna have a pro baseball team.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 8: I'll get you mammoth tickets. Could you please invite us
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 8: to the Big ten. That's what needs to be happening.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: Here's my buddy, Ryan Smith, who is really good at
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: pumping up Utah.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 8: I've got I got Brian Santiago here he said that
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: if we go, they will also go, and they'll maybe
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 8: even play on Sundays if that's what you need them
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 8: to do.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, I just took it too far.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: Sorry, Sorry, that actually was not something that Sorry. Sorry
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: b YU people out there, there's like four of you
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: that listened to the show.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: Jarm Jordan's on the phone now really mad. It would
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: never happen. I know, I know.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: We're gonna By the way, we're gonna have to get
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: Jerem on the phone. Is we're gonna we're talking about
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: talking with some of the guys who cover the top
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: prospects in the NBA draft, Jazz who obviously Jazz would
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: want aj debonce. So we're gonna get him on here
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: in the next couple of weeks talk about give us
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: some more insight on AJ.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: It's a good idea.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: By the way, the article this is in the Athletic,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: that the Jamie Pollard article I'm looking at right now.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: The very next thing that makes it just so much
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: worse is the Athletic.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: Then, after hearing these comments from Jamie Pollard, Iowa state
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: athletic director went to the Iowa athletic director in state
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: rival Big Ten school. So what do you think of this,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: and because this is the power dynamic when you're at
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Iowa and said of Iowa State, he said, yeah, you know,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: we're just gonna focus on ourselves because you don't have
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: to talk about Iowa State. If you're at Iowa, you
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: don't have to talk about the Big twelve, if you're
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: in the Big Ten, you don't have to worry about
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: what little brother is doing because you get seventy five
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: million dollars a year from your television contract.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: And that's Iowa.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: That's the power dynamic, that's the power card that Iowa
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: gets the hold. We're not talking about Ohio State, We're
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: not talking about Michigan.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: We're talking about Iowa.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, Iowa is like if you say to people, name
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: for me the most powerful football programs in the Big
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: ten in order, Iowa is coming no higher than five
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: on anyone's list, and anyone who puts them at five
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: is from the state of Iowa.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's your your parents are putting them at five.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: It's like, my grandma is gonna be a grandma. My
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: Grandma's gonna be like, well, it's it's Ohio State, it's Michigan.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: Now we have to say it's Indiana and states in
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: there and states there, and then it's Iowa.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: It's just like, thank you, Grandma. Yeah, ahead of USC
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: really go Hawkeyes, head of Oregon. Never mind Oregon, you
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: know what I mean.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: Yikes, all right, we'll take another break here, we'll come back.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Lots left to get to on the show. Adrian Denny's
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: gonna join us shortly. Speaking of the Big Ten, their
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: commissioner comes out of meetings in Rancho Palace, Verdes, California.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: By the way, the Big Ten meetings in Rancho Palace, Veradays, California.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense, and said they are
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: committed to Ada's.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 7: In the corner.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: That's spot live My religion.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: Speaks by Sean O'Connell's show, you were home of the
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: best inside of your youths. Let's get back to woe
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: see from the Murdoch Chevrolets to ESPN seven nine am.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: Much having said.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: Thought that I heard Big Ten spring meetings in Rancho Palace, Verdes, California,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: where the irony was very carefully pointed out. The Big
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: Ten was meeting on all things you know, schedules, expanded
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: college football playoff format and as their agenda their own
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: agenda stated a conversation about curbing the absurd spending that
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: is happening in college football, but they flew everyone the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: Big Ten meetings a Midwestern conference to la and head
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: of everyone staying at a luxury beach side resort whatever.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: Tony Pettini, the Big Ten commissioner, mentioned that they are
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: fully committed, all in together, agreed and have spoken in
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: favor of a twenty four team college football playoff field.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: The SEC and their chancellors, their athletic directors continue to
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: favor sixteen teams. The Big Ten is now the big
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: brother to everyone in college football. Big Ten says, we
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: want twenty four teams. I don't want to belabor this
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: point too much because we all know it's true, and
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: it's one of those unfortunate truths that we have to
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: just get on board with and kind of, you know,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: swallow that bitter pill. And I guess hope for a
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: time when the University of Utah is a Big Ten institution.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: But right now, in sports, the big boys get what
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: they want. That's what has happened, that's what we'll continue
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: to happen. And the only real defense is Oddly, ESPN
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: does not want to go to a twenty fourteen playoff.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: That's the only thing holding.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: This back so far, because the Big ten and the
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: SEC will kind of they will come to an agreement.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: The Big ten in the SEC, because we already gave
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: you those numbers. We already told you about the insane
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: amount of money that they are in control of in
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: the kind of overall pie of college football. They have
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: seventy five percent of the pie television revenue, nil re money.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: Et cetera.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: Those two conferences together are make up three quarters of
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: and by the way, they make up more than that
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the playoff field and the championships
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: recently in college football and now college basketball as well.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: The big boys get what they want, which sucks, which
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: I wish was not a reality, but it's true. Weirdly enough, ESPN,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: who's done so many things wrong honestly.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: With sports lately.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: There's sports programming in a lot of ways like it's
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: just what are you doing? But ESPN is like the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: last thing holding back rampant expansion and the big fear,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: by the way, on a twenty four team field that
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: I think is valid to express is that it devalues
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: the most valuable regular season in all of sports. College
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: football's regular season, every single game is a huge game everyone.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: You cannot afford to lose any games in a four
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: team college football playoff, you truly.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: Couldn't afford to lose any games.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: If you were a big twelve team, if you're an
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: ACC team, if you're a Mount West Conference team, you
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: could not lose any game if you wanted to be
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: part of things. Twelve team expanded playoff gets you a
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: little bit more wiggle room, but still massively important. We
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: saw that with Utah last year. Two regular season law
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: took you out of the running two to highly ranked teams.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: I'd never want to see the importance of every week
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: in college football be eroded, be degraded. It's better than
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: the NFL for me because there is no wiggle room.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: That's where all the high drama comes from.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: You're dealing with young people, You're dealing with a harder
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: to control demographic of player, a less talented demographic of player,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: and there is less wiggle room than in the NFL,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: where you have all the elite players in the world.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: There's more wiggle room built into their schedule, there's more
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: margin for error. That's why the drama of college football
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: is so much more intense and in my opinion, so
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: much better. At twenty fourteen playoff de emphasizes some of that. Now,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: three loss teams are in there with regularity. Now, if
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: you're a two loss team heading into Week eleven, now
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: you can probably rest your starters, and even if you
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: lose that game, you're gonna make it into the twenty
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: four team playoff, especially if you're an SEC team.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: You're a Big ten team. And that makes me sick.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: The idea of players sitting out rivalry games, the idea
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: of players sitting out games that used to be aside
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: from conference championships and aside from a college football.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: Player, used to be the most important games on your slate.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: If it gets to this, if we get to a
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: college football playoff that includes twenty four teams, my opinion
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: on whether or not I want BYU Utah at the
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: end of every season completely reverses flips on its head.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: If you go twenty four teams, you have to go
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: week one rivalry game, Week two, rivalry game, Week three,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: rivalry game. You have to go with week where you
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: know nobody's resting. You know nobody's sitting out. The picking
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: order has not been established yet because we never want
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: to see, ever in college football a scenario in which
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: a coach or a player has to decide, well, what
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: is best for our playoff hopes relative to a rivalry game.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: Am I gonna sit out this? Am I gonna rest this?
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Am I gonna be careful here?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: Rather than beating my in state rival, rather than beating
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: my crosstown rival, rather than beating my conference hated rival.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: Do I need to.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: Swallow the pill, the bitter pill of a loss against BYU,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: or if you're a BYU fan, against Utah, in the
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: favor of being more prepared to compete in a five
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: week playoff run. You cannot force that decision on college
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: football and expect college football to.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: Look the way it does now. You can't.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: And I know there's people out there, Weaver state fans
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: going like, what are you talking about? We do this,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: we have this expanded college football format. You're right, but
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: it's not a selection committee that gets you people in
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: the same way.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: It's not the same level of politics. It just isn't.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: Twenty four teams is too many. I don't think twelve
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: teams is enough. I think sixteen is the right way
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: to go. I don't agree with the SEC on many things,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: but on this one I do. And I think automatic
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: bids are for me a big coin toss, because without them,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: the Big twelve is a one bid league. With them,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: I think you're devaluing the position of being a college
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: football playoff team. Lots of food for thought coming out
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: of the Big Ten spring meetings, which of course are
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: taking place in southern California, the traditional seat of power
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: in Big Ten football. Adrian Denny's gonna join us. Next,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: we'll talk a little Stanley Cup playoff. Game one of
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: the Western Conference Final between the Colorado Avalanche and the
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas Golden Knights plays tonight. You should go to
• 1:46:22
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• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: Colorado's gonna be without one of their most important players.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: We'll start the conversation there with Adrian Denny. In three
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  Speaker 9: You ready for some conference finals action getting underway tonight
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  Speaker 9: the Carolina Hurricanes, they're still in the league.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to be back in action. Yeah, for the
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: first time in eleven days.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is wild, eleven days off in the playoffs.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's necessarily a good amount of rest.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 9: Longest time between games in modern NHL history. A couple
• 1:48:18
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• 1:48:23
  Speaker 9: me ten days between winning the Eastern Conference and starting
• 1:48:26
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• 1:48:30
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• 1:48:33
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• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: Cup Playoffs, Western and Eastern Conference Finals. Game one, Vegas, Colorado,
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• 1:48:49
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• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: So let's handicap this series, especially given the news we
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: got today. Uh, Cale mccarr is going to be out
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: of tonight's game for Colorado.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: That is not insignificant.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 9: Two time Doris Trophy winner for Best Defenseman of the
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 9: NHL nominated again this year. He wasn't one hundred percent
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 9: in the series against Minnesota. Took a big hit in
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 9: Game one. You can kind of tell he wasn't wasn't
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 9: quite feeling great. Then in Game five, took another hit.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 9: But but he's going to be out replaced by a
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 9: you know, pretty much HL NHL Platoon player. They expect
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 9: him back soon, if not for game number two. So yeah,
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  Speaker 9: that's the big story going into game one tonight with
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  Speaker 9: Vegas in Colorado is no Cale mccarr and for Vegas
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  Speaker 9: OC you know, we we saw him. They're not especially fast,
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  Speaker 9: but but they can clog up space. They've they've got
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  Speaker 9: some size. So that seems to be the game plan
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  Speaker 9: for Vegas is slowing down Colorado like they were able
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  Speaker 9: to slow down Utah and in certain aspects and Anaheim
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  Speaker 9: to get to this point. We'll see though for them
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  Speaker 9: their captain Mark Stone missing the last couple of games
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 9: of the Anaheim series. That's a big defensive presence for them.
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  Speaker 9: How much does that that affect him? He skated today,
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  Speaker 9: but we'll be out for game one.
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  Speaker 3: One of my big questions about this series, and we
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  Speaker 3: saw these teams play in the regular season, but playoff hockey,
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  Speaker 3: as we've come to learn, is different. And I wonder
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  Speaker 3: if Vegas can beat Colorado at their own game, because
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: to get through Utah, to get through Anaheim, they kind
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  Speaker 3: of played Colorado's game a little bit. Now, do you
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: have to make a significant adjustment if your torts and
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  Speaker 3: try not to be the same version of the Las
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: Vegas Golden Knights that got you through the first and
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: second round series. Because maybe you're like, I don't know
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: if we can beat this version of the Colorado Avalanche
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  Speaker 3: at the game we have been playing, it will there
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: be a significant tactical difference with what we see from
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  Speaker 3: the Knights.
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  Speaker 9: I think you just gotta go with with what's made
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 9: just successful to get to this point, the way they
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 9: finished the regular season strong, unbeaten in regulation and in
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 9: eight straight. One thing with with Vegas OC that they
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 9: might want to, you know, focus on, though, is getting
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 9: off to better starts in their series. Right They've they've
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 9: gotten stronger. Is these series have gone on, both have
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 9: been tied it to They were down two games to
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 9: one against Utah. They were tied to two against both
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 9: Utah and and Anaheim, and they pulled away in game
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 9: five and game six. But probably not too high percentage
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 9: of a situation against Colorado to to to come in
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 9: kind of fill your way through, you want to you
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 9: want to come in and take take one of these games.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 9: Was a different situation for Vegas because they've opened both
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 9: their series up at home so far and historically They've
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 9: never been a great team. They might be the worst
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 9: Game two team at home in NHL history, losing the
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 9: Utah losing to Anaheim, but that's that's typically the game
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 9: they lose.
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  Speaker 4: But as they've.
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  Speaker 9: Gotten stronger in each series so far, they might be
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  Speaker 9: out of time if they're not one strong out of
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 9: the gates against Colorado. And I say that, you know,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 9: completely dismissing all history, because when these two teams last
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 9: met in the playoffs in twenty twenty one, Colorado jumped
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 9: up two oh and Vegas won the series. Since then,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 9: both those teams have won Stanley Cup Championships Colorado in
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 9: twenty twenty two, Vegas and twenty twenty three, And now
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 9: they're both playing for a chance to win it in
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  Speaker 9: twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: Who is Colorado's most important player in this series? Everything's
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: just been I won't say easy for them, because obviously
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: it's not. But this season has gone as well as
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: anyone in Denver could expect it to go.
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  Speaker 4: Who is the most important player in this series for them?
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  Speaker 9: You know, Vegas did a good job of kind of
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  Speaker 9: containing you know, Utah's top guys early on in the series,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 9: Gunn their Cooley and young Moto got off to that
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 9: hot start and then they focus their attention towards them
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 9: after shutting down Schmaltz, Keller and Kraus in the first
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 9: couple of games. So we'll see if game Laniskog, Nathan
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 9: McKinnon and Martin Natchius can can can keep the power
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 9: going against Vegas. And you know, LA kind of hung
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 9: in there for a little bit against Colorado, not in
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 9: terms of you know, falling behind two in the series,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 9: but the games were close. La was able to keep
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 9: the games low scoring, get game number two to overtime,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 9: kind of kind of playing kind of that similar you know,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 9: just just kind of clog it up defensive style that
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 9: that Vegas is is going to try and play against him.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 9: And you know, you look at the Minnesota series, first
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 9: game was nine to six. The that that didn't turn
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 9: out to be the recipe to try and you know,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 9: keep up with with Colorado right there, because if you
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 9: score six, they're going to score nine. You know, a
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 9: player to watch maybe on the Vegas side is Thomas Hurtle,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 9: who finished the regular season with a goal scoring drought.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 9: It was close to thirty games without scoring, and then
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 9: he scored one and two straight. But he's a guy that,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 9: you know, can you got a couple of big goals
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 9: against Anaheim playing on that that third line for Vegas
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 9: of just kind of being in front, being a pest,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 9: going hard and not you know, not getting down that
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 9: that he not scored a goal in almost thirty straight.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 9: So maybe watch out for him from the Vegas side
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 9: if you want an X factor, and you know, for
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 9: me for for the Avs, we talked about it last
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 9: week how they just got everybody involved. But can Vegas
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 9: shut down a Laniskog, McKinnon and Natus like they did
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 9: Utah's top two lines in really all six games of
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 9: the series, one or another, Gunther, Cooley, Yamamoto, Keller, Schmaltzkrouse
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 9: were never really going in the same game for the
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 9: Mammoth outside of that that game number three.
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  Speaker 3: This is Adrian Denny here in studio with us talking
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: a little NHL playoff, which unfortunately the Utah Mammoth are
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: no longer in, but we're getting down to it with
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: a game one tonight in the Western Conference, a game
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: one tomorrow night in the Eastern Conference. We already referenced
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: the long layoff for the Carolina Hurricanes the Canadians have
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: played seven game series in both so the two ends
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: of the extreme here, and I wonder how you handicap
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference series.
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  Speaker 9: So you've got Carolina eight to oh, as you said,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 9: Montreal with back to back seven game series where they've
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 9: had to win game seven on the road in both
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 9: of those series to beat Tampa Bay and Buffalo. Here's
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 9: one for you, oh see that I would probably dismiss
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 9: pretty quickly.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: The last five.
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  Speaker 9: Games between teams that have swept their last series versus
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 9: a team that won game seven of a series. The
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 9: sweepers are one and four in the last five series
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 9: that has had a sweeper versus a game seven game
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 9: seven winner Carolina, oc I would say probably makes it
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 9: two and four.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: So they've had the time off. We talked about how.
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  Speaker 9: They really managed their last month of the regular season,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 9: calling out ahl players to fill half of their roster,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 9: and they were strategic on rest. And now they've won
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 9: back to back four game series sweeps. Carolina is in
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 9: the conference finals for the third time in the last
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 9: four years. They've lost to Florida and the previous two.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 9: But they go at you. They're aggressive, they expend a
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 9: lot of energy, and so playing against them that'll wear
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 9: you out, but they also use a lot of energy
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 9: playing so eleven days off. I think Carolina is going
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 9: to be fine. I think where they've kind of run
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 9: into some trouble is just kind of running out of
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 9: gas getting into the conference finals because they are high
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 9: pressure offensively, high pressure defensively, and Montreal is gonna try
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 9: and come in and sneak one to keep their momentum going.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 9: But Montreal has played a lot of hockey. They played
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 9: fourteen games to Carolina's eight. They've gone to four overtimes
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 9: during that stretch, So we'll see if Montreal can just
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 9: keep keeping on here. Montreal over the years is they've
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 9: been a team that's kind of come out of nowhere
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 9: a couple of times. In twenty twenty one when we
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 9: were coming out of COVID and kind of a bubbleish
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 9: season right when they had that Canadian only division, Montreal
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 9: fired a coach, finished with a losing record with their
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 9: new coach, and then got to the Stanley Cup Final
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 9: where they lost to Tampa Bay. They've got a couple
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 9: big players from that team, Nick Suzuki their captain, being
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 9: one of them, and then they kind of went into
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 9: a rebuild on the fly, and here they are their back.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 9: So Montreal's kind of got some experience, Tzuki, Josh Anderson,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 9: some new guys, and now they're trying to get back
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 9: to the final again. I heard of comparison to Montreal
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 9: and Saint Louis of twenty nineteen, with this team and
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 9: that Saint Louis team that also was in last place
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 9: in January but pushed their way to game seventh Stanley
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 9: Cup Final and ultimately beat Boston.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: Much more important to the local team, the local market.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: There's other playoffs that lasted longer for the prospects than
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: they did for the actual Utah Mammoth team. And Gabe Smith,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: who you and I have talked about before, ended up
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: for the Monk and Wildcats, having just an unreal not
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: to a championship, unfortunately for him and for Danoie and
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: the other Monks and Wildcats. But thirty three points in
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: the playoffs up there, and this is a guy who's
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: now more firmly on the radar I think for all
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: of us in Utah. Tell me how much of it
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: you saw and what you think.
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  Speaker 9: Fourth round draft pick in twenty twenty four is Gabe Smith,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 9: MVP of the QMJHL Playoffs, which is go back from
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 9: Maritime Junior Hockey League, one of the three junior leagues
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 9: in Canada. They lost and he was named the MVP,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 9: so he has to skate out upset and pretend to
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 9: smile and be cordial to the league. Dignitary has given
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 9: him the the award. He's the guy that we saw
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 9: in the preseason fight and hold his own six foot four.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 9: He's on a three year entry level contract that'll kick
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 9: in when when he turns pro, which you'd expect probably
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 9: coming up next season. But the winning experience that that
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 9: guys like him have. Calee Denoi a Utah's fourth overall
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 9: pick from from last Yearne's draft. They won the QMJHL
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 9: championship last year and went on to the Memorial Cup,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 9: so that you saw a lot of tag team in
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 9: with Smith and Danoia in that playoff, and Danoia, you know,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 9: had had a pretty good playoff himself. Twenty five points
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 9: in twenty one games, and maybe the biggest thing for
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 9: the Mammoth is he increased his point per game total
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 9: from last year, not his points because he started the
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 9: year injured because of the wrist injuries that we talked
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 9: about last summer, but increased his point per game total
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 9: seventy eight points in forty five games in the regular season.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 9: And those two guys dragon Monkton into the q JHL
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 9: Championship Series for the second straight year. You've got another prospect,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 9: Thomas Lava, who was on the Chikutamie team that we
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 9: can spell later, but he was.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: About to say, let me google that.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 9: Wait, he's another Utah prospect off of that that team.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 9: He was selected by Utah on the third round in
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 9: twenty twenty four, So he's going to the Memorial Cup
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 9: to play. The way that tournament works, so see the
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 9: three Canadian leagues, the champions out of the three Canadian
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 9: junior teams go play a host team that in this
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 9: case is going to feature TJ Ginla Utah six overall
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 9: pick in twenty twenty four and Colowna. They were knocked
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 9: out in the second round of the playoffs, but since
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 9: they're hosting the Memorial Cup, they'll be involved. So you
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 9: got a lot of a lot of Utah skaters prospects
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 9: that are playing big playoff games and are still going
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 9: That Memorial Cup is going to start Friday night, you
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 9: can see all the games on NHL Network. They'll do
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 9: a round robin and then they'll go into semifinals and final.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 9: But you know, it's fun because we've reached a point
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 9: Sean where you don't get NHL every night. Now we
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 9: only got two series. So mind have some time, especially
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 9: over a memorial the weekend, to pop on NHL Network
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 9: and watch some some Mammoth prospects.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, all of you out there are big Chikuda
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: me Seguine fans. That is the that is the mascot
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: as I'm sure you know.
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  Speaker 9: I I'll be honest with you, I was not one
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 9: hundred percent sure on how to pronounce that, and I
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 9: heard it on a podcast earlier this week and I
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 9: phonetically spelled it out, and I've been saying Chikudo me
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 9: uh in any sentence.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: That will fit. I think that uh. I think it
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: probably is pronounced that way. It's pronounced how you pronounced
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 4: how it's spelled. No one here, no one here is
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: going to be able to correct you. By the way,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: what is a Saguanine, Well, that's a native inhabitant or
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: resident of the Sague region in Quebec, Canada, so it's
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: like the Utahons.
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  Speaker 9: You learn something new every day that's good. That is good.
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  Speaker 9: I couldn't even spell it to google it. Man, do
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 9: you have big Memorial Day weekend plants? That is coming right?
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 9: That's this weekend?
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: It is? It is. Yeah, so I won't see you
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: before your weekend after this? What do you have any
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: any big plans? You got to go fishing? Mobile boat?
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 9: Memorial Day weekend is kind of like that that first
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 9: weekend up at the cabin up at Strawberry yesterday, picked
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 9: up the boat, drove it, drove it from one marina
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 9: to to the other. Really so kind of kind of
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 9: always look forward to that. It seemed like, you know,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 9: in my childhood and growing up, Memorial Day weekend all
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 9: you plan for. Then it's it's rainy, but looks like
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 9: it's gonna be nice. This weekend looks like it's gonna
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 9: be in there, you know, eight seventies, low eighties. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: So so that's that's always been Memorial Day.
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  Speaker 4: Weekend for me.
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  Speaker 9: Cabin boat a little cool for the jet ski, but yeah,
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  Speaker 9: it's it's prime playoff time too. Always remember jazz were,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 9: you know, hopefully playing the Houston Rockets.
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  Speaker 4: You know involved. So it's a good it's a good
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 4: sports weekend.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, you'll have to set on hockey thunder Spurs
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: instead of Jazz Rockets.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that is that's true. And keep keep watching
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 9: Calves next till the very end.
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  Speaker 3: Evidently, yes, make sure you don't like, ah, this is
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: not gonna be a great game, because it ends up
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: being a great game. Adrian Denny between the pipes, brought
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  Speaker 9: Thanks for coming in, Thanks for having me. Man so
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 9: I always say highlight of the week.
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  Speaker 3: So it was great to see you. It was great
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  Speaker 3: to talk a little hockey. We will give away some
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  Speaker 3: golf in twenty minutes. We'll talk some more college football
• 2:06:15
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  Speaker 4: There's plenty left to get to. Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred sixteen
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  Speaker 3: or twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: Or twelve.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve is what you have right now in the college
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  Speaker 3: football playoff world. The Big ten wants twenty four. The
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  Speaker 3: ACC said they will support twenty four. The CC says
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  Speaker 3: they would like to stay at sixteen. The Big twelve
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  Speaker 3: we have not yet heard Brett Yormark's official stance, because
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  Speaker 3: he likes to conversate, He likes to put out feelers,
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  Speaker 3: he likes to campaign behind the scenes and figure out
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  Speaker 3: who the allies are going to be, who the best
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  Speaker 3: person to jump on board with his And that's politics
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  Speaker 3: effectively in college sports.
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  Speaker 4: Is just real quick.
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  Speaker 5: Is because the SEC and ESPN wants sixteen. That's what's
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  Speaker 5: holding up this move to twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: ESPN wants twelve.
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  Speaker 5: Well, sorry, the SEC wants sixteen. ESPN wants it to
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 5: stay the same. But they're kind of their allies in this,
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  Speaker 5: beyond ESPN being very much in bed with the SEC
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  Speaker 5: as a media partner, but their allies because they both
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  Speaker 5: agree that twenty four would not be good from their perspective.
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  Speaker 4: Big twelve still got to deal with the ESPN. ACC
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  Speaker 4: has a deal with the ESPN. Big ten does not.
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  Speaker 5: ACC already said we like twenty four right yes, which
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 5: is interesting given their deal with ESPN. I wonder, because
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 5: Big twelve has the deal with Fox, which is very
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 5: much Big ten, they also have to deal with the ESPN.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder what's the smarter move.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 5: Is it to align with the Big ten or do
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 5: is align with the SEC and ESPN.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that. It's a curious little politicking.
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  Speaker 5: They got it that ACC and Big twelve have to
• 2:08:44
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  Speaker 3: And of course you're you're coming up on talking season.
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  Speaker 3: will be down there at the Star in Dallas, right,
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  Speaker 3: and then it'll be the SEC further campaigning verbally, it'll
• 2:09:04
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  Speaker 3: Big ten at their meetings, and then the hope is
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  Speaker 3: that that conversation kind of goes away because we're talking
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  Speaker 3: real football stuff, right. But where you sit as a
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: Big twelve conference here is going to be important. And
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  Speaker 3: of course, when the SEC and the Big ten are
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  Speaker 3: fully united on things, I actually don't think that serves
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  Speaker 3: the other conference as well. I think SEC wanting sixteen
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: and the Big ten saying no, I want twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's great for everybody in college football because
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  Speaker 3: if they were playing buddy Buddy and it's like, hey,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: do we just become best friends? You want to go
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  Speaker 3: do karate in the garage, what they're gonna do is
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna say, yeah, this CSC kind of dumb.
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  Speaker 4: Big twelve's kind of dumb. The ACC is kind of dumb.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even name the other conferences anymore because they're
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: in the Group of six and we're the power for
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: and really we're the power too. So the politicking that
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  Speaker 3: you've got two heavyweights here that probably could collaborate and
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  Speaker 3: just take out all competition, just eliminate everything for everybody else.
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  Speaker 4: But when that happens, cold war inevitably happens. Well, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if we want.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you don't want, is you don't want you
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: don't want Godzilla and Kong teaming up together and just
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: being like, actually, now no one can defeat us. And
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: then your ESPN partner's like, well, guys, we have contracts
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: with the ACC and the Big Twelve and the Big
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: Ten and the SEC can be like, cool, we're gonna
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• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, you can't do that. You've
• 2:11:03
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• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: for a long time, so we can't just give you
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  Speaker 3: your way and kick everybody out else out of the party, until,
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  Speaker 3: of course, the Big Ten and the SEC get on
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: the same page and demand that we kick everybody else
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  Speaker 3: out of the party. But first, of course they'll pick
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: who they want from the other conferences, and that is
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: your ultimate hope. In an I would never state it,
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• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: voice of Utah athletics because I'm just a guy doing
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  Speaker 3: a radio show, but that is something that needs to
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: be accounted for at the very least, and honestly should
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  Speaker 3: be actively campaigned for behind the scenes without upsetting any
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  Speaker 3: of your partners in the Big Twelve, because if you
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: ain't first, your last when it comes to all this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And weirdly, the thing that is saving college sports from
• 2:12:04
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• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: want to be safe for Matt. Maybe you think that
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• 2:12:12
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• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: now is just the philosophical disagreement between the SEC, ESPN,
• 2:12:23
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• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: boy parties get on the same page about the way
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 3: they can make the most money, they can monopolize the
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  Speaker 5: Uh oh for the rest of us. I just I
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 5: can't keep going back. I can't stop myself from going
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 5: back to. The Big twelve is the only one of
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 5: the Power four that has contracts with both Fox and ESPN,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: which makes there which makes Brent or Mark's position very interesting,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 5: probably for both the SEC and the Big Ten. And
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  Speaker 5: I say very interesting in like a sliding scale of
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 5: like one to ten, it's probably a three for them.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 5: It's very interesting because, like you said, they don't have
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 5: to care what's going on in the Big twelve, but
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 5: when it comes to hey, we need to put some
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 5: pressure on to get our playoff format pushed through, they
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 5: might be interested in what like SEC might be interested
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 5: to know if, hey, are you gonna be loyal to
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 5: your more loyal to your ESPN partner and go for
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 5: a twelve or sixteen team playoff or are you gonna
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 5: are you mean more loyal to your Fox partner and
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 5: throw your hat in on the twenty fourteen playoff that
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 5: Fox in the Big ten one.
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  Speaker 4: Very interesting to see what happens there.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: I wonder how much the the ESPN resistance to expansion
• 2:13:51
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• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: to move around. And this was a good point that
• 2:14:00
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• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: Bobcat fan. In the first round and the second round
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: of the FCS playoffs, there's sometimes blowouts, big time blowouts.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: Now it's an Apple's an orageous comparison in some ways
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 3: because in the FCS they're actually there actually is a
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: lot more parody, right, The really good teams in FCS
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: football don't have the same gap in their resources. If
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: you're Montana State, if you're Weaber State, if you're Richmond,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: if you're like James Madison was, if you're these teams
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  Speaker 3: that were like at the top of FCS football, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: your resources are better than Southern Utah, but they're not
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: like exponentially by in order of magnitude that much better.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: The gap between the well, I'll use James Madison again
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: because now James Madison is the non power team here
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  Speaker 3: right The gap between their resources and Ohio States resources
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: is a lot bigger, is a lot more significant than
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: the most powerful team in the FCS playoffs and the
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: least powerful team in the FCS playoffs. If you expand
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: to twenty four and you get to a situation where
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: there is still automatic qualifiers, you're gonna have Oregon, Ohio State,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: Alabama at the top USC who's spending an absurd amount
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: right now, and Lincoln Riley says, now is the time
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: enough waiting. Thanks to Lincoln, I'm sure the Trojan fans
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  Speaker 3: are comforted to know you've been waiting. You're gonna have
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: those teams, those big spenders, and then you're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: somewhere a Boise State that does a heck of a
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  Speaker 3: job but has roughly ten percent of the football budget
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: that you do at Ohio State. Now, all credit to
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  Speaker 3: Boise State, and you know they did it a few
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago with Ashton genty.
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  Speaker 4: When you have.
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  Speaker 3: That big of a gap between the top of your
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  Speaker 3: playoff and the bottom, of your playoff. I'm not talking
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: about the top of your regular season. I'm not talking
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  Speaker 3: about the the bust these guys in and give them
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: a million dollars to lose to us type games. I'm
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 3: talking about there's a massive gap from a resources standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: which translates to a massive gap in the talent standpoint
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 3: between Georgia and Ohio State and Oregon and Miami. Will say,
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: just to throw in a non Big ten and non
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: sec those are your those are your top four seeds
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  Speaker 3: right the first time they roll out in Week two
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  Speaker 3: of the playoff, right, they're going up against the team
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  Speaker 3: potentially that is your automatic qualifier from the Sun Belt Conference,
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  Speaker 3: your automatic qualifier, the highest ranked whomever. We saw what
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  Speaker 3: that looked like last year. Love you James Madison, Love
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: you Tulane. But the gap is only growing. And that
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: gap is growing between the Big twelve and you, and
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: then that gap between the Big twelve and the Big
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: Ten is growing even more rapidly. So what are we
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: doing here pretending that you need twenty four teams in
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: the college football Playoff? The Big Ten saying that is
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: like we want six teams in the college football Playoff.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they're saying, we want more.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: ESPN's resistance likely comes from the fact that they they're like,
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  Speaker 3: we do this FCS playoff on ESPN, plus the first
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: two weeks are not good. We don't need those games.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want those games. Those games you like them
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  Speaker 3: because they're gonna be on your campus's Big ten. We're
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: not gonna like them because the ratings aren't going to
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: be good. The conversation around them is not going to
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: be good. And it is a thinly veiled it is
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: an unveiled money grab because you just think that, well,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: it's television inventory, it's advertising dollars, and it's a payout
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: that of course ESPN then is the one who pays.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand how you force this issue. If you're
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: the Big Ten, I don't understand why you try to
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: force this issue. If you're the Big Ten, you're already
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  Speaker 3: the most powerful conference in the land. You've got likely
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  Speaker 3: baseball championship coming, You've got a likely softball championship coming.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe not SEC has some things to say about that.
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  Speaker 3: You got men's and women's basketball championships from this year,
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  Speaker 3: you got the football championship from the last three years,
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  Speaker 3: and you're looking at it and you're going like, give
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  Speaker 3: me more. At some point, even a television network, even
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  Speaker 3: the wault Is company, has to say and they are saying, guys, no,
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: just chill for a minute. Let's see how this plays out.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: And thankfully the SEC is also saying, hey, yeah, let's
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: do chill for a second. Weirdly, the Big ten in
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: their meetings said we want twenty four or we want twelve.
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  Speaker 4: We don't want sixteen. That to me feels like just
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 4: being obstinate to the SEC. Yeah.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 5: He Tony Petiti, the commissioner, he's he explained his rationale
• 2:19:31
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• 2:19:36
  Speaker 5: have any buys if you're gonna do sixteen, or you
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 5: only have two buys, and then and then the rest
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  Speaker 5: teams play like that's not much incentive whatever twenty four
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 5: you get with twenty four, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know the obvious what you brought up with.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 5: Mike Greenberg is brought up on get up that well,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 5: teams are just gonna rest players in their final games
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 5: in the season. Ohio State Michigan. They might just rest
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 5: players with that game. That'd be terrible. Tony Patiti's saying, no,
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 5: there's no incentive to rest because the because you would
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 5: have home field advantage at stake, you would have first
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 5: round buys at stake depending on where you where you're at,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 5: or you would have a playoff berth altogether at stake
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 5: if you're towards the bottom of the field. There in theory,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 5: that sounds like it's enough incentive, but we've seen we've
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 5: seen more incentivized teams and players. There are more incentivised
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  Speaker 5: to play and play hard decide not to.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 4: That's right. Also under the under circumstances like that, I don't.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: Know, remember a couple years ago, the first round bye
• 2:20:42
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• 2:20:46
  Speaker 5: So are there going to be teams because he said
• 2:20:49
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• 2:20:53
  Speaker 5: me teams in the in the in the seven to
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  Speaker 5: just rest our players because we're fine and playing at home.
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  Speaker 4: If we lose.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: Also, one half of your National Championship game last year
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: did not need a first round by Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know, Like I think that using the
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: buy incentive as an excuse to want to do anything
• 2:21:18
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• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: they're just gonna be like, no, it's not an influential
• 2:21:24
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• 2:21:31
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  Speaker 4: OK. It's lovely.
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  Speaker 10: By the way, the technology is amazing with these days, elite,
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  Speaker 10: these days it is elite. Started going down and accidentally
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  Speaker 10: took it pretty short. I'm like, you know what, go
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 10: all the way? Yeah, and then I looked in the
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  Speaker 10: mirror this morning. I'm like, you look like you are
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  Speaker 10: twelve years old.
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  Speaker 3: I want to shave my beard. Your daughters will be afraid.
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  Speaker 3: My daughters are like, nah, dad, just leave it. And
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: my wife is like don't. Yeah, I'm like, no, just
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 3: please let me. Yeah, she's like, do not shave your beard.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm on Fitt and Ice all the
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 3: time anyway, so I'm not going.
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  Speaker 4: To make that be the thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, if that's what's keeping you in good, good graces,
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  Speaker 10: just hold on to it. My buddy Walker, uh, he
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 10: has he constantly has like a mountain man beard. Okay,
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  Speaker 10: and he has two daughters and a couple of years
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 10: ago he decided to shave it off and he came
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 10: out of the bathroom and his younger daughter didn't Reckon,
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 10: started crying and ran away.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, did not.
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  Speaker 3: There's all those hilarious videos of kids doing that, yeah
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  Speaker 3: on the internet. I think the way you solve that
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: is you just make them shave it for you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I like that, so they know they're part
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 4: of the process. But I mean they don't want they
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 4: don't want to do it either.
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  Speaker 10: So but you you noticed it right when I walked in. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 10: you look youthful. It's it's a little weird, like my
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 10: face is cold, strange. The beer usually keeps it warm.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 10: That got got out of a Shadowlesswim'm like, man, that's cold.
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  Speaker 10: So I don't know how long I'm gonna roll with it.
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  Speaker 10: Decided to take it down, and yeah, I mean sometimes
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 10: so it'll shave past for twenty eight. I appreciate that good.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 10: Thank goodness. Sometimes somebody will shave a beard. You're like, oh,
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 10: I didn't know your face was that fat, or I
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 10: didn't know your face was that small.
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  Speaker 3: That's another that's another problem I've got with the uh
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 3: with the jaw line right now, you have.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 4: A couple chins under there that I can't see that.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a I'm genetically I'm not real gifted with
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: a sharp chin line. So I gotta I gotta get
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 3: back down to fighting weight, probably if I really want
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 3: to look good to shaving the beard. Of course, looking
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: good these days is who cares. I'm not impressing anyone
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 3: at home.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, when the motivation goes like do
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 4: I really want to go to the gym?
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: For what? What for?
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll go ahead and and smash this Wendy's double
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 10: double on the way home. Why not my my my
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 10: jaw line, line's okay for my age, My chin's okay
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 10: for my age. I don't feel like I have a
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 10: super small face. Like again, somebody sometimes somebody shaves a beard.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 4: That's all. That's all the face that.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 10: You have where the rest of your face goes to
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 10: the rest of your face. You weird though, Yeah, or
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 10: it's the other because look, most people that have beard.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 10: Frank Layden had a saying, never trust a man with
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 10: a beard, because he's definitely hiding something. And usually it's
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 10: a small face, a fat face. That's why most people go.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 4: With the beer. Yeah, yeah, I'm the ladder right now,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 4: but no one's judging Sean. It's fine, it's fine, everything's fine.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 4: That's fine, everything's fine. I don't want to be a downer.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 4: I want to do I want to take the opportunity.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 3: Though we haven't talked about on the show today, we
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 3: found out yesterday that Steve Johnson, who is He's been
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 3: instrumental in my radio career. He was my first boss
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: and he's my most recent boss and he unfortunately he
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: passed and I just the Johnson family. If any of
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 3: you are out there listening, condolences and prayers to you,
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: it's inadequate to say anything.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 4: It's tragic, it's terrible.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 3: I am happy to know that Steve lived a very
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 3: good life and he had a lot of great stories
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 3: and he had a big influence on a lot of
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 3: people in media especially, So thoughts and prayers to the
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: Johnson family and Steve.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 4: We're gonna miss you. Yeah, excuse me, it hit pretty hard.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 10: I mean, like you said, I think I've worked with
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 10: Steve at three different stops in the last twenty years.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 10: There's a good chance that if you're in radio, not
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 10: just sports radio but radio period, that you crossed past
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 10: with Steve. And I've negotiated maybe five or six contracts
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 10: with him over the years, and he was always tough.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 4: But he was always very fair.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 10: And this last time around, I mean, as you know,
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 10: there was a couple of years where I didn't know
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 10: that I'd be doing this ever again. Yeah, and Steve
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 10: was one of the main voices that got me back
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 10: into the space and the main voice that kept me
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 10: in the space for now. We're coming up on eight
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 10: years in August. But separate from that he was a good,
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 10: decent man. He was a dedicated husband, he was a
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 10: dedicated father. He was a mission president in d C.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 10: So he's got a lot of missionaries that'll probably be
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 10: you know, heavy right now. So you know, grandfather, father,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 10: lost a son during COVID. I know that was really
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 10: hard for him. But yeah, I mean, in this business,
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 10: I think it's fair to say decency sometimes is hard
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 10: to find. Honesty sometimes is impossible to find. And Steve
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 10: was honest and he was decent, and yeah, it was
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 10: sad when I found out yesterday. I think it of
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 10: his family for sure.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: Stay tuned for the drive. Thanks for listening to the
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show. I'm out for PFL duties this weekend,
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 3: so and then it's Memorial Day weekend, right, so do
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 3: we have shows on Monday? I guess I'll talk to
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 3: you on Tuesday. Hug your parents, tell me love him.
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