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RFK Jr. _cannot remain in office_ after MAHA report cited fake studies_ Doctor(MP3_160K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: I want to bring in New York Times political reporter
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  Speaker 1: Maggie Astor. Kevin Madden was a presidential campaign advisor for
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  Speaker 1: Mitt Romney, and here in studio with me. Doctor Irwin Redliner,
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  Speaker 1: co founder of the Children's Health Fund, Senior Research Scholar
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  Speaker 1: at Columbia University, and clinical professor of Pediatrics at the
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  Speaker 1: Albert Einstein College of Medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to all of you. Maggie, tell us more about
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  Speaker 2: this report and the so called evidence that it's based on.
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  Speaker 3: So this report is a or was presented as a
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  Speaker 3: comprehensive look at children's health and the causes of chronic
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  Speaker 3: health conditions among children.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 3: What we found yesterday. I should also say that it
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  Speaker 3: was the news organization Notice that originally broke this story,
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  Speaker 3: so they should get credit for breaking that story. So
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  Speaker 3: what we found yesterday was that a number of the
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  Speaker 3: citations in this report either were riddled with errors. For example,
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  Speaker 3: they listed the wrong author or the wrong title or
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  Speaker 3: some such and some of them were just fabricated altogether.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't exist. They had the title of a paper,
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  Speaker 3: they listed a journal name, they listed a date, they
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  Speaker 3: listed an author, and no such paper existed. So the
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  Speaker 3: you know, the presence of these fabricated citations in the
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  Speaker 3: report obviously raises questions, according to the experts that we
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  Speaker 3: talked to, about the credibility of the report's findings. And
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  Speaker 3: certainly the researchers whose names were cited in the report
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  Speaker 3: attached to papers that they didn't write, are very concerned
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  Speaker 3: about their their names and reputations being used that way
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  Speaker 3: and what it says about the underlying validity of the
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  Speaker 3: citations in the report.
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  Speaker 1: So just to be clear, in short, there are entire
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  Speaker 1: papers that are cited.
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  Speaker 2: That never existed.
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  Speaker 1: They certainly didn't exist in the journal they said, on
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  Speaker 1: the date they said, in the way they said.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to that, names of.
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  Speaker 1: Real people, maybe serious people, were used for things that
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  Speaker 1: they didn't do.
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  Speaker 2: Is that basically the bottom line here.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct. We spoke and noticed spoke as well to
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  Speaker 3: a number of researchers whose names were listed in the
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  Speaker 3: bibliography of this report, saying, I'll give an example from
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  Speaker 3: our article. Catherine Keyes, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia.
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  Speaker 2: She was listed as.
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  Speaker 3: The author of a paper about mental health and substance
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  Speaker 3: use among adolescents, and that paper that was cited in
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  Speaker 3: the report didn't exist. She spoke to my colleague Danny Blue,
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  Speaker 3: who is my co author in this article, and said
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  Speaker 3: she did not write any paper by the title that
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  Speaker 3: the report cited, and nor does paper by that title
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  Speaker 3: seem to exist by any author. And that's just one example.
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  Speaker 1: There are others such good reporting and important reporting. So, doctor,
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  Speaker 1: you've been working in healthcare, what fifty years? You have
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  Speaker 1: an international reputation in children's health.
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  Speaker 2: Press Secretary Caroline love.
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  Speaker 1: Ittt says, these issues with the report, issues things like formatting,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't invalidate the findings themselves.
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  Speaker 2: What did you say?
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  Speaker 5: What do you say, well, christ All, Chris, let's move
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  Speaker 5: away from the technical issues of actually a misinformed, lying
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  Speaker 5: document that was put out by the Secretary of AHHS.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, they lied about it. They fabricated citations.
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  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, R. F.
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  Speaker 5: Kennedy Junior is using this fabriating information to create policies
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  Speaker 5: and recommendations that affect the health of children.
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  Speaker 4: Millions and millions.
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  Speaker 5: Of lives will be affected by the nonsense that they
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  Speaker 5: put out in that report. It's really unconscionable. It's just
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  Speaker 5: really it's hard to believe. And I do think that
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  Speaker 5: people need to focus on what this means, and what
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  Speaker 5: it means to me is the reinforcement of what we
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  Speaker 5: felt from the beginning when RFK Junior was originally suggested
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  Speaker 5: as a potential nominee for Secretary of AHHS. He's unqualified,
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  Speaker 5: he's unscientific, and he's promoting crazy ideas that are bad
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  Speaker 5: for America's children.
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  Speaker 4: And don't forget, he has the.
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  Speaker 5: Biggest public health platform and megaphone of any human being
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  Speaker 5: on the planet, Chris. And this is what we have
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  Speaker 5: to deal with now. You know, if he was working
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  Speaker 5: as an academic researcher at any kind of medical school,
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  Speaker 5: for example, and put this out, he would have been fired. Fired.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the senators who approved this confirmation and
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  Speaker 5: the medical organizations that remain silent need to now call
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  Speaker 5: for his resignation. He cannot remain in that office using
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  Speaker 5: misstated data and really dishonest data to drive critical public
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  Speaker 5: health policy that will affect children.
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  Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance to punctuate that,
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  Speaker 1: because most people don't know the way that this works.
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  Speaker 2: You're a doctor in a pediatric office, you have hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of patients.
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  Speaker 1: To what extent are you relying on this kind of
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  Speaker 1: publication and the information that it cites to help guide
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  Speaker 1: and update your understanding as a physician of how you
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  Speaker 1: should treat and make recommendations to children's families.
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  Speaker 5: Well, of course, and first of all, you know, take
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  Speaker 5: the issue of childhood vaccinations, child and immunizations, which have
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  Speaker 5: been proven to be safe, effective, saving lives for decades
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  Speaker 5: of children who otherwise in the past would have been
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  Speaker 5: dying from diseases like measles and other polio and so on.
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  Speaker 5: And here we have the head of Health Newman Services saying, well,
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  Speaker 5: we're not so sure.
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  Speaker 4: We need more information.
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  Speaker 2: So that means come to me for medical advice.
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  Speaker 5: We're sitting at our office and here's a parent saying, well, doctor,
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  Speaker 5: should we get our kid vaccinated?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm saying, yeah, you should.
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  Speaker 5: But what about this report that I just read from
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  Speaker 5: the Secretary of HHS. We have to say, no, that
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  Speaker 5: was absolutely incorrect. But people are already skeptical about medical information,
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  Speaker 5: and this is just exacerbating a terrible situation for practicing
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  Speaker 5: pediatricians and frankly for families.
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  Speaker 1: To Chris so Kevin, you are an expert in communications.
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  Speaker 1: The White House defended the report downplayed these citation issues
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  Speaker 1: and said future questions should go to HHS, which at
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  Speaker 1: least as earlier today, did not respond in any thorough way.
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  Speaker 1: Are are untruths so baked in that for the voting
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  Speaker 1: public it doesn't matter?
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  Speaker 2: Or how do you view this?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think anytime the White House defers to an
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  Speaker 6: agency or a cabinet office that means they really want
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  Speaker 6: no part of it. And I think they do recognize
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  Speaker 6: this as scrutiny here is pretty real. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 6: first of all, this was not a report that was
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  Speaker 6: in any way routine. Secretary Kennedy and others in the
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  Speaker 6: MAHA sort of supportive movement that he's put together have
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  Speaker 6: been anticipating this and hyping it for a pretty long time.
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  Speaker 4: So the fact that.
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  Speaker 6: There were these mistakes and these citation issues that undermined it,
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  Speaker 6: that's a very big, I think, internal problem that they're
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  Speaker 6: going to have. The Other part of it is they've
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  Speaker 6: always based their advocacy on what they said was evidence
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  Speaker 6: based advocacy. So when the evidence then becomes under this
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  Speaker 6: level of scrutiny that they had to expect given that
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  Speaker 6: they were hyping it, I think it really does demonstrate
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  Speaker 6: that it's an unforced era. The one thing I think
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  Speaker 6: Carolyn Levitt's doing as a communicator here is she believes
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  Speaker 6: that the MAHA movement that is very supportive of Secretary Kennedy,
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  Speaker 6: very supportive of the President, is a grassroots movement that
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  Speaker 6: is not necessarily going to defer to scientific journal recommendations,
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  Speaker 6: but instead they firmly believe that these issues that find
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  Speaker 6: somebody's finally speaking about chronic illnesses in a different way
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  Speaker 6: than the many of the academics or establishment had, and
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  Speaker 6: she's trying to speak directly to them. But if you're
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  Speaker 6: going to win that to be you still have to
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  Speaker 6: win the larger, big middle of the American public, and
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  Speaker 6: they do believe in having conversations and debates that are
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  Speaker 6: rooted in some sort of scientific authority.