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Danny Parkins on Caleb Williams’ MVP ceiling, Josh Allen vs. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow’s Future | 7.30 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Football season, baby.
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  Speaker 1: I live for football season. You know, that's why we
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  Speaker 1: just so localized. But man, and Chicago is a fun
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  Speaker 1: NFL market or fun radio market to do it in
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  Speaker 1: because like, while we love the bulls and some people
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  Speaker 1: love the black Hawks and we love the Cubs and
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  Speaker 1: some people love the white socks, everyone loves the bears. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a true football town. And so like with the
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  Speaker 1: bears being relevant, I was texting with my old producer
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  Speaker 1: just the other day. Because I saw something that they
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  Speaker 1: tweeted out, and I was like, dude, why are you
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  Speaker 1: not just doing Colston Loveland, Luther Bird, and Roma Dunzay,
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, every single day?
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  Speaker 2: That's the show.
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  Speaker 1: Every single day. Just keep it going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but like, I feel like with the Bears,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of get your guys like the same arc,
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  Speaker 2: because everybody goes through the same arc. Right now, why
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you be optimistic? Like, there's no, you have nothing
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  Speaker 2: to gain. I don't want to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about this year. I'm speaking generally in
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  Speaker 2: terms of whipping up this sausage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There are other shows where people would say the word
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  Speaker 2: pause right there. But for most teams, pick a market.
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  Speaker 2: We'll call it the Titans right now.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: There's no reason not to be optimistic right now. And
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  Speaker 2: then the shit come crashing down. And then you go
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  Speaker 2: back to being unhappy. But for right now, you talk
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  Speaker 2: yourself into.
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  Speaker 1: What it is.
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  Speaker 2: And for the Bears, that's what it's been. But this year...
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  Speaker 2: Because of Caleb Williams and last year's interesting success, shall
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  Speaker 2: we say. I recall there being a lot of really
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  Speaker 2: close games. Yeah. That always bodes well.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is on a long list that will be
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  Speaker 2: what we talk about largely in this show. It is
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  Speaker 2: very interesting, which is with Patrick Mahomes having not been
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  Speaker 2: truly excellent the last couple of years, at least on
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  Speaker 2: a consistent basis, right? Still capable of moments. and now
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  Speaker 2: coming off of an ACL tear, it's really about every
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  Speaker 2: other quarterback. And it feels like, with the exception, and
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you could probably find a few more. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I think Cam Ward avoids this list. Matthew Stafford avoids
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  Speaker 2: this list. Interestingly enough, Sam Darnold avoids this list. But
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  Speaker 2: it feels like every quarterback in the NFL is on
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  Speaker 2: the clock. In some form or fashion, Every single one
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  Speaker 2: of them is on the clock. I guess Mahomes is
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  Speaker 2: not on the clock, at least one would think. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's still black. Anything can happen. But everybody's
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  Speaker 2: on the clock. And Caleb Williams, it feels almost unfair,
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  Speaker 2: but he showed enough last year that he now enters
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  Speaker 2: this year not with the, ooh, I wonder what he's
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  Speaker 2: going to do this year. But he better do it
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  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen, if Caleb backslides this year, it'll be massively disappointing. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and based on your intro here, um, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that we can watch week one bears Panthers together because
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  Speaker 1: I will have so much like they're going to need
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  Speaker 1: to win that game by double digits. And if they,
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  Speaker 1: if they struggle, I don't know that I can have
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  Speaker 1: you off to my left, just chirping about last year
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  Speaker 1: being a fluke. So I might be there for you
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  Speaker 1: with week two on week one. I might be a
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  Speaker 1: little too stressed in a, in a should win game
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  Speaker 1: for the bears. A bear season with hype and expectation
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  Speaker 1: is a, is a rare place for me.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I mean, how many times did that happen?
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  Speaker 1: Like three? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, post Dicta.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, honestly, like, cause yeah, 20 off of the
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  Speaker 1: NFC championship game, bears Packers 2010. Like there was pretty
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  Speaker 1: big 2011 height. You know, I had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: year one, Ben Johnson hype last year, but not really
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  Speaker 1: to win anything. Just like genuine week one excitement to
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  Speaker 1: see what it would be. Um, you know, super bowl
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  Speaker 1: team that lost to peyton kind of was like way
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  Speaker 1: better than expected they were supposed to be good but
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  Speaker 1: they were way better than expected so yeah like pre-season
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  Speaker 1: week one massive like bait like hype it's it's less
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  Speaker 1: than five and i will say there's like pre-season week
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  Speaker 1: one we could have the mvp of the league hype
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  Speaker 1: literally never in my life yeah like literally and i
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  Speaker 1: know like it's a million things have to go right
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  Speaker 1: for him to actually win MVP, but like it's, you
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  Speaker 1: could squint and see a world where it happens. I,
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm a bit of a Homer on this,
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  Speaker 1: but I think a few things, Caleb's physical talent is undeniable.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody who could watch it and it can see the
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  Speaker 1: highs and be like, yeah, that guy can do everything
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  Speaker 1: on the field. If he can improve from 68 sacks
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  Speaker 1: in year one, to 24 in year two, year one
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  Speaker 1: with Ben Johnson, right? He was the most sacked quarterback
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  Speaker 1: since David Carr, and then he became excellent at it,
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  Speaker 1: given how much he throws, how much he scrambles, all
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  Speaker 1: of those things. The interception rate has stayed really low,
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  Speaker 1: and he clearly, again, has the physical talents, the clutchness,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about it. If he improves
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  Speaker 1: that much from year one to year two, year one
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  Speaker 1: with Ben Johnson... If you agree, and I know you
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  Speaker 1: and I have disagreed a little bit on the genius
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  Speaker 1: of the boy wonder Ben Johnson from your time with
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  Speaker 1: the Lions, but I happen to think that as an
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  Speaker 1: offensive play caller and quarterback-friendly coach, Ben Johnson is knocking
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  Speaker 1: on the door that Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan and
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid are on the other side of it. I
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  Speaker 1: think he is going to be that level of offensive coach.
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  Speaker 1: So if I have that level of quarterback talent with
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  Speaker 1: that level of offensive coach, I don't see him backsliding. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's going to keep improving. I will be
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  Speaker 1: floored if he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: So let me say this about Big Brain Ben.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I feel better about Big Brain Ben than I did.
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  Speaker 2: going in and the reason is after watching a year
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  Speaker 2: of the lions without ben johnson i realized how much
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff that made me call him big brain
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  Speaker 2: ben was actually dan camp.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Like a lot of those crazy play calls and like,
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  Speaker 2: why are we doing this at this time? I watched
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  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell do that stuff without Ben Johnson. And they
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  Speaker 2: made me stop and say, okay, maybe, maybe I have
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  Speaker 2: put too much on big brain Ben when a lot
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  Speaker 2: of this goes to Dano.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, okay. Like I feel better about him in that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in that way. My thing with Williams at
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  Speaker 2: this point is, He is a moments guy. People are
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  Speaker 2: going to hear me say this a lot. I had
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  Speaker 2: a had an epiphany over the summer watching the World
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  Speaker 2: Cup about the significance of being a moments guy.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Where I have a high value for consistency. But there's
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  Speaker 2: something about the guy that can just give you moments.
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  Speaker 2: And Caleb Williams can absolutely give you moments. And what
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  Speaker 2: you hope for if you're the Bears under those circumstances
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  Speaker 2: is that when the moments aren't happening, at least he's
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  Speaker 2: not being actively detrimental. Taking 68 sacks is being actively detrimental.
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  Speaker 2: Not taking those sacks and not throwing picks, but being
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  Speaker 2: able to make the big splash. In a way, what
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  Speaker 2: you're asking for, what you hope the floor for Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Williams is, is like a Joe Flacco, like when Joe
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  Speaker 2: Flacco was very good type Right. Which is to say
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  Speaker 2: you can win a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco because
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  Speaker 2: Joe Flacco could make big plays. It could get the
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  Speaker 2: ball down the field. And you saw that during that postseason.
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  Speaker 2: You saw them also go to conference championships with Joe
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  Speaker 2: Flacco where he was not the reason why they lost. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is not I'm saying this as a floor
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  Speaker 2: for what you hope for for Caleb Williams is that right.
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  Speaker 2: If he minimizes the mistakes and just simply shows the
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  Speaker 2: ability that he show the ceiling, obviously, is much higher.
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  Speaker 2: But what you hope for at this point is after
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  Speaker 2: last year that, okay, now maybe you're happy with a
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  Speaker 2: couple of more interceptions because he's playing at a high
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  Speaker 2: enough level to try to do more things, not just
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  Speaker 2: because he's forced to by circumstance and situations, and you
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  Speaker 2: hope that that raises the ceiling in some total, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is totally possible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess the only thing I agree with
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  Speaker 1: you on, like, Listen, Aaron Rodgers is 45 touchdowns, six
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  Speaker 1: interception season. Like that's one of the greatest seasons I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen. Not normal, but I think that's what Caleb
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  Speaker 1: is shooting for. He talks about emulating his game after Rodgers.
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  Speaker 1: You said that is totally possible. Why is it not likely? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I just, he clearly going from Matt Eberflus to Ben
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  Speaker 1: Johnson improved so much. went from 20 touchdowns to 30
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  Speaker 1: total touchdowns. The sack numbers, like I talked about, won
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  Speaker 1: a playoff game, got better as the year went on.
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  Speaker 1: Loveland is young. Adunze is young. It's a young group
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  Speaker 1: of skill guys around him. They all are in now
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  Speaker 1: their second year with Ben Johnson. Why would I not
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  Speaker 1: expect the curve to keep going, the exponential growth? I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure I'm missing something, but why would he not get
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  Speaker 1: better given everything that he has going for him with
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  Speaker 1: himself and that's around him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's just that quarterback development, especially in statistical senses,
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  Speaker 2: is typically nonlinear.
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  Speaker 1: I feel you. Listen, I think that the Bears are
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  Speaker 1: going to regress. People will hear me and say I'm
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  Speaker 1: a homer. Here's where they will for sure regress. They
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  Speaker 1: will not lead the league in takeaways again. They will
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  Speaker 1: not lead the league in fourth quarter comebacks again. four
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  Speaker 1: out of five offensive linemen for them last year, played
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  Speaker 1: over 90% of the snaps. Like, they will be more
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  Speaker 1: injured in front of Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: But will they be better? Because part of the problem
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  Speaker 2: was especially the ones up the middle, right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, so, Dahlman had the surprise retirement at center, which was,
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  Speaker 1: which is a huge blow. Because they went out and
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  Speaker 1: got Garrett Bradbury, who's like a replacement level player and
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  Speaker 1: not very good. And then they had to use the
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  Speaker 1: second round pick on the kid out of Iowa, Logan Jones.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see who ends up playing. And they don't know
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  Speaker 1: who the left tackle is right now. So that's that's bad.
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  Speaker 1: That is that is definitely they got a lot of names,
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  Speaker 1: but none of them are all that inspiring. Left guard
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  Speaker 1: is Joe Tooney. He's excellent. One of the best offensive
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  Speaker 1: linemen in football. Darnell Wright might now be the best
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  Speaker 1: right tackle in football, given that Panay Sewell moved from
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  Speaker 1: right tackle to left tackle. He was second team all
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  Speaker 1: pro last year. He's excellent. And right guard Jonah Jackson
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  Speaker 1: is pretty good. So I'd say three of the five
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  Speaker 1: spot two of the five spots are excellent. one of
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  Speaker 1: the five spots is good and center and left tackle
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  Speaker 1: are question marks, which is bad given that those are
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  Speaker 1: probably the two most important spots on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: So it's definitely a question for the bears this year,
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  Speaker 1: but I also, the defense was crazy injured last year.
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't think the defense will be excellent, but
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  Speaker 1: I do think they will be a little bit better.
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  Speaker 1: And I expect Caleb to make a huge leap to
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  Speaker 1: cover up for some of those areas of obvious regression.
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  Speaker 2: Now we'll say this fair or not. Um, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like he is not. And I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: just because he was good last year. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: But he's not getting like the optimistic outlook that I
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  Speaker 2: feel like can come if you so choose coming into
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  Speaker 2: this year. Year two Caleb Williams is better than year
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  Speaker 2: two Josh Allen was in Buffalo. And year two Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Williams was better in the postseason than year two Josh
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  Speaker 2: Allen was. But every year we walk into it just
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  Speaker 2: with the hope for Josh Allen. We still doing that
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  Speaker 2: shit now. We going into year nine and it's still
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  Speaker 2: cross your fingers and hope that hope that everything goes
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  Speaker 2: right for Josh this year. Right. Caleb Williams, for whatever
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  Speaker 2: the reasons may be, he does not necessarily receive that.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why I had him on the clock part.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even because I'm skeptical of him. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: think he showed me a lot last year. in terms
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  Speaker 2: of where I think that this can ultimately go for him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not as high on him as I was when
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  Speaker 2: he was a sophomore in college, where I think the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate results can be, but it'd be really, really good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just curious to see how that's going to go
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  Speaker 2: with a measure of pressure, especially when it's pressure on
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  Speaker 2: one of them teams that usually isn't good. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? Especially in a giant city, it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit different because people are on edge about those things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I mean, we've crowned him. Like, if Caleb, like,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: drafting Mitch Trubisky over Patrick Mahomes is a haunting thing, okay? Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's just, that scars a generation.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you say Deshaun Watson? You could have taken
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  Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Dude, I was, there's some, there's some radio tape of
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: me campaigning for Deshaun Watson.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that would have been good and bad at
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the same time, you know what I mean?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. I don't know if I've told
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: you this story before, but I've told it publicly, but
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I find it to be hilarious because the joke is
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: at my expense. But like literally. Seven to 10 days
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: before the scandal story broke about Deshaun Watson. I did
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a segment. I'm like, it was just a what would
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: you do? What would you give up, you know, for
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: a Bears franchise quarterback? And I said I would trade
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: my dog for Deshaun Watson. A, the dog was a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: birthday present for my wife. B, like, Deshaun Watson has, like,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I think he's got, like, 19 total touchdowns since. Like,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it was just, that take aged like an avocado. It
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: was horrible.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, that's crazy.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: But no, we're going to see. I was like, I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: would give him up. I was like, Deshaun Watson, he's
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: 23 at 5,000 yards with Bill O'Brien. You know, I
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: was like, he was a captain in college. Like, I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: No, it all flipped at once. It all flipped at once.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was like the model, like the story
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of like, it was just like him and his mom.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And they grew up in the Habitat for Humanity house
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: that work done and paid for. And like now Deshaun
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: was taking care of his mom and giving back. And
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is perfect. How could you
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: possibly pass on it?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And then we found out he was nasty.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And then we found out.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we learned he was a little nasty, right?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we found out. It goes.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I mentioned Josh Allen.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, they just fired the coach that you've had
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: for nine years, right?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: The coach that, I mean, keep in mind, the coach
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: that went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: ill-fated half of the Peterman in 2017.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: It's basically been treated by all that this team has
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: let Josh down. Even though Josh, in major postseason moments,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: passed the wild card round, as our buddy Nick will
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: tell people, has not necessarily been great, right? Yes, there
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: was the 13-second game. There have been things. But the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: general consensus around this has always been that the Bills
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: are letting Josh Allen down, basically. It's almost as though
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen deserves what the end result you know, the
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: highest end result that is possible. Under most circumstances, if
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: you're the quarterback and you've had a coach that's had
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the level of success that you had and they fired
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: him to keep you and they hired the coach that
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you wanted, they're treating you like an NBA player, we
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: will be looking at you like, hey, it's kick-ass or
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: else time.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: No question. And it is right. Like brew on the show,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you know, called S Bob Super Bowl or bust like
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen is Super Bowl or bust. Obviously, I think
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that like if you were going to say my homes
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: isn't the best quarterback in football anymore because he hasn't
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: had an MVP yet. regular season since 2022, hasn't had
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a consistent stretch since he was Super Bowl MVP in 2023,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and he was unbelievable in those playoffs. I do think
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that it's totally fair to say that Josh Allen is
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the best quarterback in football right now if you're not
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: going to grandfather Mahomes into it. And I definitely on
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the spectrum of Josh Allen critic to apologist probably come
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: out on the side of apologist. The turnovers in that
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: playoff game against Denver. He has to wear them. No question.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: The guy's got 29 touchdowns and six picks in the playoffs.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Generally, but when you, when you break them down.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Heavily, heavily skewed toward the seven seed.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Sure. At home. Sure. I, he, Three of his five
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: playoff losses, he's scored 29 or more points. His defense
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: has given up over 30. Josh Allen is not Lamar
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Jackson in that when Lamar Jackson's playoff numbers plummet. Josh
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Allen's playoff numbers, you could say he bum slays a
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: little bit. Sure. Doesn't get the one seed, has to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: play a wild card round. Playoffs have expanded. First round
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: gets watered down. I'm here for all of that and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: agree with all of it. He definitely... feasts on some
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: famine no question but lamar jackson his playoff numbers do
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: not resemble his regular season numbers no josh allen's does
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like like so i i do i do generally speaking
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: believe that josh allen is a good playoff quarterback and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: i will be shocked if he doesn't one day win
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a lombardi trophy um mcdermott getting fired you know life's
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: not fair I guess, but there was clearly a lot
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that went on in that locker room after that game.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: The defense has given up a ton in playoff moments,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and sometimes change just needs to happen. They brought in
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Jim Leonard, the dude from Denver, to be their new
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. We'll see. But yeah, it's Josh's show, man.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: He's on the clock reputationally. Obviously not in any sort
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: of financial way or not the quarterback of the Bills way,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: but he's on the clock reputationally.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all I'm saying is this. We're in a world
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: where Lamar Jackson is on the clock. Yeah. There's no
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: way to me that those guys are on different schedules,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: no matter what you say about postseason performance. The ultimate
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: criticism of each kind of sort of remains the same,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: where is it Josh Allen's fault that they lost those games?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily. It ain't his fault they won them either.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Like with the level of caliber of quarterback.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They were supposed to be. Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: At this point, you're supposed to be the guy, especially
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of like the other guys, Bo Nix, but you're supposed
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to be the reason why they win these. Now, Josh early,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: there was the terrible game in 2019 against Houston, where
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: he just completely lost his mind at the end of
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the game. And he is still capable of the occasional
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: freak out. Josh Allen moments. Lamar Jackson has looked overwhelmed
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: in post seasons, but I feel like that has turned up. Like,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: What you say about Josh Allen, I think that there's
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: been a clear turn with Lamar in that game that
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: they blew in Buffalo, right, with Mark Andrews dropping the touchdown.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Lamar started slow, got that shit all the way back together,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and I do not think that if that's Josh Allen,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: we talk about that game purely in the context of
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: how Mark Andrews let Lamar Jackson down, right, in a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: way that would almost wipe out everything that had happened previously.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lamar played well enough to win that game, even
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: if he struggled early.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying, they're on the same clock, at
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: least over here. They're on the same clock. I get it. Now,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Lamar's on a different clock because of the contract, but
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to me, it is comical, the idea that Baltimore or
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: anybody around Baltimore would for a moment raise the possibility
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of maybe we'll want to get somebody else.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I agree that, that, that is that. I mean, listen,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Lamar is one of the toughest, if not the toughest
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: players in the whole league to game plan against. He's,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: he's spectacular. Like Lamar, if you told me I got
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a given Sunday, I'm getting a quarterback's best. It's hard
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: not to take Lamar Jackson because his best is unbelievably
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: high in the moment. Like I said, questions in the playoffs.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: This is something that I don't know if you'll agree
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: with or not. Whose 30s will be better?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I think both of them have the potential of a drop.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Both are heavily dependent on athleticism.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Both, I think, are better at like doing the thing
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: from the pocket than they get credit for. Um, I
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: think Lamar actually operates a little better on timing stuff
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: than Josh Allen does. Like you don't see a lot
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of Josh Allen.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: One, two, three, throw one, two, three, four, five, throw.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Like the big thing with Josh Allen is if you
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: go send somebody, you better bring his big ass down
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and you probably can't.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: So now, you.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Know, what are you going to do? Both of them
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: are susceptible to a, well, you remember you had that
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: one injury and then nothing was the same.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I, Both of them is a bit of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a cop-out.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a cop-out at all. I think
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: it holds for both of them.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: So I think that they're both unbelievable running quarterbacks, right?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: To your point, they both seriously rely on athleticism. Josh
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: is up there. I was just looking at it the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: other day. Lamar is the all-time rushing leader for quarterbacks.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: He has the most rushing first downs of any quarterback
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: since he entered the league. But Josh is one behind him.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: in terms of rushing first downs. Josh is obviously ahead
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: of him for rushing touchdowns because he kind of does
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the Jalen Hurts thing where there's a lot of like one, two,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: three yarders inside the five, that sort of thing. Lamar
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: last year, when he was playing through the injuries, the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: rushing first downs, the rushing yards, the rushing attempts, they
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: were all career lows, but he still played in 13 games.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Like he clearly was not running as much playing through
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the nagging hamstring, whatever. And a lot of it dropped
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: in terms of some of the passing efficiencies. in his
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: MVP year two years ago, all of those passing stats,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to your point, he was amazing. Yards per attempt, QBR,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: passer rating, led the league in all of them. Like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Lamar can pass the football. I'm not saying he can't.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: But what I wonder is, whose passing is more helped
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: by the threat of their running? Like, you have to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: defend them differently all over the field because of their running.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And I think that's Lamar's Because Lamar will take off
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and beat you for 40 yards. So you've got to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: really worry about Lamar's running at the 30, at the 50,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: all over the field. Whereas Josh is such a dangerous
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: red zone running threat that I would bet on Josh
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: having a Ben Roethlisberger 30s. Just a big dude who
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: guys are going to bounce off of and he'll be
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: strong forever and he can stand there in the pocket.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I would take Josh's 30s over Lamar's 30s. I can
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: see the argument for it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I think that as the 30s go on, the threat
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: of the big of the big run from Jackson diminishes.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I think he as passer remains very, very good. I
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: think that I think that people need to take a
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: look at what the college offense was that he ran.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Because I think that people have a tendency to think
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that he was out there running like a Chip Kelly
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: scheme out there at Louisville. And instead, it was the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: incredibly difficult Bobby Petrino drop back and pass. And it
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't really a whole lot of scrambling. It was a
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: lot of stay in the pocket and make it happen.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And every year, Lamar has been better and better and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: better at staying in the pocket and getting that done.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I don't have a great gauge on how much of
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: that is a pure function of the fact that oh,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: by the way, he might run 40 yards on you, right? Like,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: does that put teams in positions where they can't run
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: as much man because you can't have those dudes turn
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: their back on him because suddenly he's going to run
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: behind them? I think that also applies with, like, that
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: applies greatly also with Josh Allen. I do get your
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: big thing, though, is that he's a big, giant guy
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that'll be out there playing in the cold and, you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: it can keep going, maybe. The real question, I think,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that answers this is, do we think either of them
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: is going to suffer, like, some.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Sort of big, giant lower body injury yeah and obviously
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: no one wants to predict it who the hell know
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: who the hell knows i will say like i think
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that uh and again this is just for right now
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: like lamar i think the best obviously derrick henry father
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: time we'll see like he's unbelievable yeah but the best
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: help that lamar could have this year is i think
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: their defense can be excellent i don't see much of
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a path for Buffalo's defense being excellent. Josh has an
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: awesome offensive line. James Cook is a running back. They
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: added DJ more. I think Josh has much better help
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball than Lamar does
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: going into this year. Zay Flowers, I'm just not a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: fan of. He's just too small. Too small, too inconsistent,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: runs backwards when he catches the ball too much. I'm like, dude,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: go forward. What are you doing? Lost likely, lost Linderbaum.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I just counted on that rookie out of Penn State
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: who everybody loves, but you're still starting a rookie and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you used a top 15 pick on him, so he's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: got to be great immediately. Derrick Henry, 33, I think,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: this year. 32-33. They are asking Lamar to carry a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: huge piece of it offensively where I do think Josh
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: has more help going into the year on the offensive
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: side of the ball. The flip side, of course, is
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Can't stop the run. Cannot stop the run. And I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: do think that Minter, the new coach in Baltimore... he
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: overachieved with the chargers defense and now he's got way
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: better talent in the, on the rate. Like I think
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the Ravens defense could be top five this year. That
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: would help Lamar a lot.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It is entirely possible. And we don't think about this
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: because of reputation, but it isn't, I'm shocked by how
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: excited everybody in New York is about hiring a coach
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that somebody just fired. Like, I don't feel like this
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: is Andy Reed leaving Philadelphia.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: It is definitely not. You know what I mean?
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Like, I just, I just don't think it's that. I
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: just don't think it's that sort of situation. Um, Lamar
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Jackson saved John Harbaugh's job in 2018. And I think
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: a question that we're going to see is going to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: be interesting to see if it gets answered is whether
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: or not much of what we've seen for Lamar has
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: been in spite or for the Ravens has been in
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: spite of the head coach as opposed to being because
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: of the head coach, which is what I think that
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: we have kind of rolled with as a default assumption.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: But it was time for a new head coach.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. And as someone who owned a lot
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of Justin Herbert stock, I was always amazed at what
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Minter was able to do with the defensive injuries that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: they kept having with the Chargers. I think he's a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: really good coach. So I do think Baltimore has a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: very high defensive ceiling.
• 31:17
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  Speaker 2: All right, we are back with Danny Park. Let's check
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: out First Things First on FS1. um thinking about like
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks where it feels like they are on the clock
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: i want to avoid talking about minnesota because they're not
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: good but i am kind of fascinated by what's going
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: on up there like jj mccarthy on the clock at
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: 24 he he walked in and they threw his ass
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: immediately on the clock because they don't like.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Him dude he's played 10 games I've never seen it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Like only Josh Rosen and Josh Rosen even was a
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: special case because the next coach came in who ran
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a particular style of offense and.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: They got the number one pick. Yes. Right. That was
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a huge piece of that. Like, Oh, well we have
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: this limited athlete. We can now draft Kyler Murray. Right.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, Kevin O'Connell respected offensive coach. They
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: traded up. I'll be at one spot, but traded up
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to take JJ, JJ McCarthy and, 10 games and they
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: might be on the outs. But I will say, like,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I will be floored if J.J. McCarthy starts week one.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely gobsmacked by it. Kyler Murray could have been a jet.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: He could have been a dolphin. Like, who knows? Maybe
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: he could have been a stealer if things went differently. Like,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think Kyler Murray... Now, I know that he
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: would believe in himself that he could beat out J.J. McCarthy,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and they've got an amazing defense, and he gets to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: throw to Justin Jefferson and play in a dome. There's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: lots of reasons to want to be a Viking over
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a Dolphin or a Jet. I get that. But Kyler
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Murray is more talented than J.J. McCarthy. He's going to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: win that job.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: He had a better year last year than J.J.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: McCarthy. Of course. Look, look. Of course. This one is easy.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Truth is, best case scenario for the Vikings is that J.J.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: McCarthy wins the job. You know what I mean? Like
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that he comes in and wins it. Worst case scenario
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: is that J.J. McCarthy wins the job. That either means
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: something has gone spectacularly or something has gone terribly. And
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you and I have never really talked
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: about Kyler Murray, but I think people have turned on
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray because they don't like him. Like that's the
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: big issue that he has. I've never seen a quarterback
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: who's like the guys that played with him so willing
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: in public to be like, no, no, no, I don't
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: know about that guy. But I just watched Sam Darnold
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: win a championship and people are asking if Kyler Murray
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: can be the next Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold had never
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: been as good as Kyler Murray was when Kyler Murray
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: was young. And I'm not convinced that if you put
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray on those same Seahawks, that they don't win
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Like this was not because of the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: positives of Sam Darnold necessarily. I'm just saying all that
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to say Kyler Murray is still an NFL quarterback. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: understand that somebody just paid all this money so that
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: he would not play, but he's going to be the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: starter for them. And they're going to have a chance
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: to win a lot up there because they won a
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: lot up there last year with flat bummery at quarterback.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and won 14 games the year before.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: And listen, they're not great. Sam Darnold, no matter what
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: anybody tells you.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Especially late. And listen, Sam Darnold, I do think,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: like you said, he's not on the clock because he
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. I would have said he's not
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: on the clock after that NFC championship game. He was
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: spectacular in that game against the Rams. So I like,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta give it up for him. But,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: but Kyler, I, I am largely with you. Like part
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: of it is circumstance. Like, I don't know that I
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: would think that Kyler Murray would be great if he
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: was on the jets.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: But no, but I don't know if Josh Allen would
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: be great on the jet.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly. But like, Throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jordan
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Addison with Kevin O'Connell calling the plays and a Brian
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Flores defense behind you, that team has a high floor.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to win the Super
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Bowl because I think, I mean, we saw it last year,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: you could win nine games and finish last in that division.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: So a huge piece of the NFC North is just
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: going to be injury luck and how the ball bounces
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: in the division games. The division is so good top
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to bottom. But Kyler Murray, represents a much higher ceiling
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: than anything JJ McCarthy has exhibited like that one that's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: just an easy one to me at this point yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: By the way in that division framing.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know if I get to throw one
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: out to.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: You of course you do okay by the way Jordan
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Love you're not on the clock Jared Goff your life
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: is the clock go.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Ahead yeah all right.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: CJ Stroud on the clock no question.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe the most literal?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the hot clock. Like, calling the clock
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel sufficient.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Well, but, like, it is fascinating. Like, okay. They're like, well,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: they said, like, it wasn't much of a debate to
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: pick up the option. I said, well, no shit. If
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: you didn't pick up the option, it would be like,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: he's gone. He's off the team. CJ Stroud, his rookie year,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I said at the time, I thought people were overrating
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it a little bit. It was, it was impressive. And
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: for what it wasn't like, he didn't throw a lot
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: of interceptions. I think he finished that season with like
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: five interceptions or something like that. And it was like
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: 2021 touchdowns. I think five or six of them happened
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: in one game. He was, he was like smart and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: serviceable and fine and whatever. And since then, that's like
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: 20 plus games by and large, he's been bad. And
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that is, yes, it has coincided with losing Tunsell and
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: bad offensive line play, and he's gotten hit a lot.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: And the Tank Dell injury, Nico Collins injury, obviously it's
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: been rough. But they are the best defense in football.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: They should be a Super Bowl contender with passable quarterback play.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I would say short-list Super Bowl contender. Best pass
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: rush duo in the NFL. Arguably best cornerback duo.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Hold on. Best pass rush duo for now.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, in case Aaron Donald comes back? Yeah, fair. Fair.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Totally fair. Go ahead. Totally fair. Best pass rush duo
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: in the NFL for now. Arguably best cornerback duo in
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Great defensive play caller, head coach in D'Amico Reitz.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Returned all 11 starters from their defense. Like, they are,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: their defense is nasty. So, I don't know. He can't
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: be the 24th best quarterback in the NFL. He has
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: to be. If he is a top half quarterback, if
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: he is better than Baker Mayfield, they absolutely can win
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But look at what it's been for
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the last basically two seasons, man. It's crazy, man. It
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: is crazy.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure he's good. Yeah, I did think it
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: was fair to say that his first year was overrated,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: but he was good.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: The only reason they did not bench him in New
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: England is because you couldn't.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. He was terrible.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: There's a world where like, you just can't go back
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: from that. Right.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Like, and so like, listen, I, the reason it was good,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: it was good, but people were talking about it. Like
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it was like in the all time rookie quarterback seasons.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And I was like, no, like give me Cam Newton.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Give me Justin Herbert. Give me Jaden Daniels. Like, we've
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: seen a lot better rookie seasons that his rookie season
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: reminded me like Dak Prescott. Like it was like, Oh wow.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Like Dak came in, Dak didn't make mistakes. Dak kept
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Tony Romo on the bench. Like that, that was impressive. Uh,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: but like not, they were winning because of him necessarily.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: But man, I just like, are we positive? He's going
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to be better than Bryce young. Like, I don't know
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: how far I need to go with this. That's another guy,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: his class also on the clock, but like, I just...
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Alarm bells would be going off if I was a
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Houston Texan fan.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and trust me, they will be.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: You know, of course. And I know you know the
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: city and the market way better than I do. I just...
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: He's really likable. He's clearly very smart. But, like, I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: don't know that there's a single quarterback... People talk about, like,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. Baker's playing for a lot of money.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: But Baker's probably... gonna get franchise tagged like you know like.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Baker yeah i'm not sure on that one.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah we'll see we'll see but like baker's made over
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: 130 million dollars yes baker's baker's done enough for long
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: enough for enough places that baker mayfield is going to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: be paid to be a starting quarterback and have probably
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: a couple of options beyond this year if he's not
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: franchised man i don't know about cj stroud I don't know.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: The analytics people seem to disagree. They seem to think
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that it is a product of circumstance and that he
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: will be better. But I have some serious questions about that, dude.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Man, he looked, it just looks so bad the last
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: time I saw him. Like I got to give him,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I have to give him the room to move away
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: from that because it just looks so awful. By the way,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix, he's not on the clock.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Bo Nix is not only not on the clock.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Still don't believe it.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So I don't either, but Bo Nix, they had 11
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: wins in one score games, tied the NFL record. Eight
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of those 11 wins came against non-playoff teams. You're watching
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: those Broncos games and it's like, they're losing to the
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Giants in the fourth quarter? You know what I mean?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: They played down to the Jets and the Giants and
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the Raiders. They were so bad. And then he pulled
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: something out in the fourth quarter. But I will say,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: In the quarterback class of Jaden Daniels, arguably the best
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: rookie season ever, Drake May, been in a Super Bowl,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: MVP runner-up, Caleb Williams, spectacular talent with an MVP ceiling
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: who won a playoff game. Bo Nix has more yards,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: more touchdowns, and more wins than all of them.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel the same way. Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: All numbers that don't go a long way with me,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: it's a fair point to make. But I know this.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton, and we were hearing the reports from Colin.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: And if Colin's telling you, I think Sean Payton, da-da-da,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: it's because Sean Payton, da-da-da.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: And it was sounding like he wouldn't. I don't know
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: how far those games, how far that all went. I
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: don't have the answer. Drake May also. Ooh, that's going
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: to be an interesting one.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So Drake May, I would be pretty shocked if he
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: was bad.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be bad, but
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: everything is set up for them to not be that good.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: You mean like schedule being tougher and all that?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Schedule being tougher, you know, all the madness of the offseason,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: whatever effect that does or does not have, but also
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: just generally how it tends to go for a team
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: that goes to the Super Bowl and does not win it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: And by the way, with the quarterback who did not
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: play well in the postseason.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do think that's at least we now have
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: our first data points on like if he is a
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: guy who is going to not be as good in
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the playoffs or not. But like, I, I need to
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: see that like longer into your career before I'm going
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to like assign that to you, you know, first trip
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to the playoffs and all that. They, they, to me
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: seem like a pretty obvious better team, worse record, like
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: obviously worse record. They won 14 games, but like adding
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: a Dobbs and AJ Brown, another year, Drake may I
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: health on the offensive line. I I'd be surprised if
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Drake may, had a bad season. But, you know.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, and that's funny, because I wouldn't... I wouldn't necessarily, like,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: give up on him completely under those circumstances, but a
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: bad season is absolutely on the board. Hmm.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Listen, I love them coming out. I thought he was
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: really impressive last year with... Man, he did not have
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of help. Like, it was... It was what?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: It was digs and booty, and, like, it was... Now
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you get A.J. Brown and Romeo Dobbs. That is a
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: significant upgrade.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: That is a significant upgrade. So he was able to
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: do what he was able to do last year, where, again,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: he was like the analytic darling. All of the advanced
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: metrics pointed to him. Stafford had all of the counting stats.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: It was like an interesting counting stats v. analytic MVP debate.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And Drake May took a lot of votes there, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: he just got a huge upgraded pass catcher so i
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: i the path to him being bad is stuff like
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: well teams that lose in the super bowl or like
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: offseason distraction which is totally like those are real things
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: that absolutely do impact things but they're not they're not
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: on the field football reasons like i just he has
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: way more offensive talent around him this year so i
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: would expect him to be better.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Um Speaking also on the clock, and as I thought
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: about it, I keep thinking of more guys that aren't
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: necessarily on the clock, but whatever. I am personally very
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: interested in Cincinnati because I think, again, another guy that
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: everybody treats as though the franchise is letting him down,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: but I will never forget this. We've talked about it
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: on this show. I don't know why it hasn't been
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: discussed in more places. But during the Super Bowl, Jamar Chase,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: and I can't remember which, it may have been T. Higgins,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, but Jamar Chase and another bangle,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I think they were talking to Shannon Sharp doing a
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: podcast on Radio Row. And it was Chase making it
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: very clear that Joe Burrow bore a measure of responsibility.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: for the injuries that he has suffered and that he
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: needs to take care of himself. I am shocked that
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: that never turned into a big giant story. I don't
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: even know if anybody ever like aggregated it or turn
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it into any story. I know. I mean, I saw it.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: It was like, and we talked about it on this show.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: So I did my part spread where it got there.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: But I say all that. I mentioned that just because
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: they made the move for Dexter Lawrence to make their
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: defense better. They have given Joe Burrow all the guys
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: on offense that he has ever wanted. And look, they
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: made that Super Bowl in his second year. That was
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: five years ago. Like, that doesn't really matter anymore. What
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: you got, big dog?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, he said... And by the way.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I love him. I think he's great.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: He is great.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: But it's on you now.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Well, so it's a fascinating one. He also said after
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: the Dexter Lawrence trade that this is now the best
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: roster that he's ever had. Like, yeah. And that's a
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: guy that went to a Super Bowl. And, you know,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: they've like to your point, they paid T. Higgins and
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. Everyone knew they were going to pay Burrow
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: and Chase, but they paid all three. So like that
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: kind of bucked some of the stereotype of them being cheap,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: where the stereotype of them being cheap is just the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: fact of them being cheap is they have never paid
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: a coach to go away. Yeah. since the current ownership
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: has taken over, they have never paid a head coach.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: And by the way, the current ownership is the only
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: ownership they've ever had.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: But didn't Mike Brown take over and like, yeah, from
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: his dad, I guess.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. But like, since, cause I think
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: that the paying a coach to go away, I think
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: does go back to Mike Brown. I think there was
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a coach in like the seventies or whatever, but regardless,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: not the point, they don't pay coaches to go away.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: So like, if this doesn't work, Zach Taylor clearly gets like,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: accountability before Joe Burrow does but the thing that we
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: definitely talked plenty about as us national talking heads and
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I definitely think is relevant is tick tick tick on
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow getting fed up with Cincinnati like he can
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: say the right things and they can pay his friends
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: and he'll probably ride it out for another head coach
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and for Jamar Chase and T Higgins is prime but
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks prime is longer than wide receivers prime like I
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: will be gobsmacked if Joe Burrow is a career bangle.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: So it is an interesting question because Carson Palmer famously
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: put a for sale sign in his yard and quit them.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: And got away with it.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: And the only reason he could get away with it
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: is because they were the Cincinnati Bengals.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think that people look at the Bengals now
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: the way that they did. I guess that's now almost
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: 20 years ago. But the way that they did at
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: that time, Burrow can get fed up with them. but
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I do think the question is fair to ask, like,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: what part are you, what part are you fed up
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: with exactly? Cause they seem to have done all the things.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, again, other than like, I do think
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: that most teams would have fired Zach Taylor by now.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what? That's, that becomes an interesting story again,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: because I would have fired Zach Taylor before they ever
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: got to the Superbowl. And then he, and then he
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: got to the Superbowl. What I think, I don't think
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: you're wrong about it, that somebody else probably would have
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: let him go. But I feel like he's put up
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: that just good enough to keep things going situation. Right,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: but that's... Oh, yeah. Okay, 9-8, 9-8, 6-11. Yeah, yeah,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: you're normally fired by that.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: You're normally fired, man. I mean, you're... I mean, like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the easy example is, like, he's obviously fired in Philadelphia,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, so, yeah. So, I think... I think
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: that that one is, like, a pretty easy dot to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: connect with. Like, they... If he didn't have an extra
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: year on his deal, he would have been fired before
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: this year. So that's a thing that I think you
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: can point to. But no, they have now spent money.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: And I don't think Dexter Lawrence fixes everything for them defensively, obviously.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: But they have massive amounts of pressure on them. Burrow
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: has massive amounts of pressure on him. And even if he, like,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: reputationally took a bit of a ding, though, for, like,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: turning on Cincinnati one to five years in the future,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: to your point, he's so awesome that half the damn
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: league would be lining up to acquire Joe Burrow.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: By the way, we got, like, more guys that we
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: could have gotten to on the clock. I will get
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: one more, and I'm going to try to, you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: you got out, so hopefully this won't go on too long.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Let me text, and I'll get myself an extra couple minutes.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: We're good. Super Bowl champion Jalen Hurts.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: He's so on the clock.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Dude, they leaked that story to ESPN that had the
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: anecdote about how he doesn't have any more guaranteed money
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: after this year. Like, what, next? Like, that one's in
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: writing how much he's on the clock. He's so on
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the clock.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: My goodness.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It is a– that one is obvious. Like, he's
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: beloved in Philly until he isn't. a.j brown leaves if
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: the problems remain then a.j brown wasn't the problem the
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the money factor and they are wildly talented like it's
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: a it is still one of the best two through
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: 53 rosters in the nfl even without a.j brown like
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: their defense is absolutely ridiculous their offensive line was injured
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: last year but like if a casual NFL fan knows
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: four names on your offensive line, your offensive line is awesome. Like,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: and their offensive line has it and they still have
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Saquon and they still have Devante. Like, yeah, man, that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: team is, we talked about Houston Superbowl ready without the quarterback.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: It's tougher to say with Philly, given that we've talked
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: about this before. I can't, he's, I'm pretty confident I
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: know what Jalen Hurts is, except for he's been amazing
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: in two Super Bowls.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: He's outplayed Patrick Mahomes in two Super Bowls. I see
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: it with my own eyes.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've done this conversation now probably three times
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: in a couple of years, and I always get to
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: that point where it's like, well, I got to give
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: him that. But yeah, man, he's definitely on the clock.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: They're going to be in everything. Of course, they got
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: a coach that nobody trusts. Never seen a team that good,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: and nobody believes in the coach or the quarterback.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: They have another new play caller an offensive coordinator they
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: do Jalen Hurts has had a new offensive coordinator every
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: year that he has played big time football it's the
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: craziest stat I have my guy Troy update the graphic
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: every year for me on first things first every year
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: in college every year in the pros he has the
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: same number of play callers as he does years playing
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: college or NFL football.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: If you win with him you'll get promoted yes or
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: he'll get you fired Yes.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: No. Yes, it is. It is the best way to
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: synthesize it. But like if so, if if Sean Mannion
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't do a good job, doesn't do like the Shane
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Steichen like level job with it, it's like, well, at
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: some point, does Nick Sirianni get fired? You're the offensive
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: coach who doesn't call the plays and you keep hiring
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: coordinators who doesn't get the most out of your quarterback.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: You gave two hundred fifty million dollars to. Yeah.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: And the shame of this show, we didn't get to
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: talk about the one guy that's not another guy that's
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: actually not on the clock. Justin Herbert.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we ran out of time, Bo. Yeah. Mike McDaniel's
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: going to save him.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. We actually got a whole year. It
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: is possible that we're out here talking about this is
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: the year finally that Justin Herbert put it all together.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, if. He's going to meet Caleb in the Super Bowl.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Danny Parkins, check him out. First things first, 5 o'clock Eastern, FS1.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: My brother, I appreciate you.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Bo. Thanks, man.
• 58:24
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• 58:25
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