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24-Year-Old Daughter Missing From Parents' Home · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful twenty four year
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Speaker 1: old woman seemingly vanishes into thin air. Where is Jennifer?
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? On August Day, It's Jennifer
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Speaker 1: left her family home in Sunnyside, thirty five miles east
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Speaker 1: of Yakima, to go pick up her boyfriend. She walked
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Speaker 1: out the back door at around five o'clock and told
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Speaker 1: her younger brother she'd be back later. He started to
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Speaker 1: worry when she wasn't. The first thing I thought it
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Speaker 1: was what happened to her? Where is she? I thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's probably somewhere right now. So I missed her saying
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Speaker 1: where are you? Call us? Are you okay? I didn't
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Speaker 1: get a response. How can a woman vanish into thin air?
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Speaker 1: You hear her younger brother are trying desperately to text her,
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Speaker 1: trying to call her. No response. You're just hearing our
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Speaker 1: friend Nancy Leu at News Nation. Now, that is the
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Speaker 1: worst feeling. When you try and you try, and you
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Speaker 1: try to get somebody. They don't answer, they don't pick
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Speaker 1: up texts, they don't respond to text. Then maybe you've
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Speaker 1: got the life three to sixty or find my iPhone
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Speaker 1: app and you look and you can't find them. Then
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Speaker 1: normally people think, well, Okay, they're at the grocery store,
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Speaker 1: or their phone went dead, or they've got their phone
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Speaker 1: turned off. But as the hours pass, everyone begins to
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Speaker 1: get worried. That is exactly what happened in the case
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Speaker 1: of Jennifer Cara. Dad with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina
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Speaker 1: right now, family lawyer at NC Domestic Law dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining us from
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Speaker 1: la A. Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Justin Boardman, former
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Speaker 1: Special Victims Unit detective joining us out of Utah, and
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Speaker 1: the author of I Was Wrong and Investigator's battlecry for
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Speaker 1: change within the Special Victims Unit. But first straight out
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Speaker 1: to Justin Boardman joining us former Special Victims Unit Detective
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Speaker 1: Justin the Location of a crime a disappearance is very,
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Speaker 1: very important, and it depends really how the investigation will proceed.
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Speaker 1: If you're living in a high rise in New York City,
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Speaker 1: in downtown Manhattan, the first place you're gonna look is
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Speaker 1: within the building because there may be hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 1: of people in that building. You go in and out
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Speaker 1: through a central door. Think about Chandra Levy, for instance,
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Speaker 1: the Washington intern that went missing. The first thing cops
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Speaker 1: did was go to her lobby and speak to the doorman.
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Speaker 1: Then they try to get video surveillance, but whoops, the
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Speaker 1: surveillance re racked every seventy two hours, so that didn't help.
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Speaker 1: But that's where you start within the building. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you recall Justin Boordman, because I believe we talked about it.
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Speaker 1: The case of a beautiful pediatric dentist that was killed
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Speaker 1: and her parking lot of a very posh high rise
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Speaker 1: in Texas. First place they started looking was within the
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Speaker 1: building because only keyholders could get into that parking debt.
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Speaker 1: So it matters are you there? Are you out in
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Speaker 1: a rural area where nobody is near you for miles
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Speaker 1: and miles. That makes it less likely if you're in
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Speaker 1: a rural area that a stranger upon stranger incident occurred,
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Speaker 1: because there are a not a lot of strangers driving
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Speaker 1: around on rural routes. Get it. So what can you
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Speaker 1: tell me, Justin Boardman about this location. It's Yakima County,
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Speaker 1: but specifically it's Sunnyside. What do we know about it? Well,
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Speaker 1: Sunnyside is a small town of approximately about seventeen thousand
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Speaker 1: people in an area of Washington that's down closer to
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Speaker 1: the Oregon border, and it's a rural sort of area,
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Speaker 1: and so it's sparsely populated, beautiful, and that's actually very
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Speaker 1: important with me. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina. Family lawyer. You know,
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Speaker 1: I always stunned when somebody says family lawyer, because you
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Speaker 1: think that's all warm and fuzzy, it's anything. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I have had I've told you this, Kathleen. We've laughed
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Speaker 1: about it. I think we laughed about it at Crime
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Speaker 1: Con last time because it's so ironic. We laughed at
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Speaker 1: the irony, not the comedic aspect. That I have had lawyers,
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Speaker 1: criminal lawyers for instance, that only handle dope lords. They
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Speaker 1: say they'd rather defend a dope lord or a killing
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Speaker 1: than get in the middle of a domestic law case
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Speaker 1: like a divorce, where there's a lot of money to
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Speaker 1: fight over or there are children to fight over. People
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Speaker 1: end up fighting over and taking a shot at each
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Speaker 1: other about the pots and pants they got at their wedding.
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Speaker 1: It's insane. So when we say family law, believe me,
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Speaker 1: it is not warm and fuzzy. What I'm getting at,
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, because you've tried a lot of cases, is
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Speaker 1: this location is very deceiving, because it is, like Justin
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Speaker 1: Boordman told us, it's beautiful. You know, it's the Pacific Northwest.
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Speaker 1: It's gorgeous, it's rugged. It's a place where everybody wants
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Speaker 1: to visit, and you don't normally see crimes like this
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Speaker 1: in an area like this. Kathleen, you know, Nancy, if
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Speaker 1: I could live there tomorrow, I would have the perfect life.
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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful area. I've been there. It is absolutely stunning,
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Speaker 1: And I think that this family, and the family of
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Speaker 1: Jennifer probably felt that she was very safe. Safe in
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Speaker 1: their home. She was living with her mom and dad.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you brought that up to doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. You know, when you hear somebody is living
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Speaker 1: with their mom and dad, she's twenty four years old,
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Speaker 1: gorgeous by the way, you think, Wow, that's a sweet girl.
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Speaker 1: She lived with her mom and dad. What could be
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Speaker 1: more safe than that, Doctor Bethany, Well, not only that
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Speaker 1: when you have such a sparsely populated area seventeen thousand
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Speaker 1: people in this town, everybody knows everybody. It's not like
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Speaker 1: you're living by a main thoroughfare as in so many
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Speaker 1: crimes we've covered together, where anybody could be going up
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Speaker 1: and down the freeway, anybody could be going in and
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Speaker 1: out of the local walmart or the target. This is
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Speaker 1: a place where everybody probably knew everybody else. And if
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Speaker 1: a stranger came into town, you know, maybe not everybody
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Speaker 1: would notice that person, but some body would. The other
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Speaker 1: thing is that her Jennifer's patterns would be very well
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Speaker 1: known to her family. As you said earlier, she left
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Speaker 1: to go run an errand her brother had a seeking
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Speaker 1: feeling when she did not come back. Twenty four year
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Speaker 1: old living away from the family at college could go
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Speaker 1: missing for a day or two, and then the roommates
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Speaker 1: report them missing, and then you start looking at their
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Speaker 1: social media and it's, you know, very far removed from
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Speaker 1: the family. But she was in the bosom of the family,
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Speaker 1: so they would know of all of her patterns, and
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Speaker 1: they would know immediately when she went missing. You know,
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Speaker 1: another thing, Doctor Bethany and everybody jump in if you
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Speaker 1: know about this. The statistics are showing that more and
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Speaker 1: more young adults are living at home. And I remember,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. I had originally started college at a very
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Speaker 1: small college Valdosta now it's Faldosta University, and when my
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Speaker 1: then fiance transferred, I transferred home to where my parents
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Speaker 1: lived to be closer to him, and I loved it.
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Speaker 1: I know that there's a stigma attached to being at home,
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Speaker 1: but I finished up like one year of college living
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Speaker 1: with my mom and dad, and I love every minute
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Speaker 1: of it. Eventually went back to the dorm and then
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Speaker 1: went on to law school. But I don't know why
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Speaker 1: that stigma attaches. What is that? Because the numbers are
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Speaker 1: going higher and higher and higher, it's not unusual. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the numbers are going higher and
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Speaker 1: higher for two reasons. One is there fewer economic opportunities
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Speaker 1: for people in their twenties. On the second lead, people
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Speaker 1: in their twenties are valuing experiences like travel and being
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Speaker 1: with their family and having friends rather than buying stuff
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Speaker 1: like getting a mortgage, getting a house, building a career.
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Speaker 1: They really want those attachments in those relationships with their family.
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Speaker 1: It used to be stigmatized because there was this idea
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Speaker 1: that nobody wants to regress or go backwards in life.
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Speaker 1: You always want to move forward. You're a big loser,
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Speaker 1: so you're a big fat loser living your mother's basement.
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Speaker 1: You know. With me, it was not a well thought
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Speaker 1: out plan. I decided in the last minute I was
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Speaker 1: going to transfer. I transferred under the deadline by the
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Speaker 1: skin of my teeth to get back to Mercia. University
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Speaker 1: kindly let me in and I didn't have a dorm arrange,
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Speaker 1: so that's how I ended up there, and it was
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Speaker 1: a very happy circumstance. So we've got this young woman
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Speaker 1: I digressed, twenty four year old Jennifer Kira Dad who
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Speaker 1: seemingly disappears into than air. I want to hear that
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Speaker 1: sound again, Jackie, take a looser to our friend Nancy
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Speaker 1: Lou at News Nation Now. On August Day, It's Jennifer
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Speaker 1: left her family home in Sunnyside, thirty five miles east
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Speaker 1: of Yakima, to go pick up her boyfriend. She walked
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Speaker 1: out the back door at around five o'clock and told
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Speaker 1: her younger brother she'd be back later. He started to
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Speaker 1: worry when she wasn't The first thing I thought was
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Speaker 1: what happened to her? Where she? I thought, oh, it's
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Speaker 1: probably somewhere right now. So I message her saying, what
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Speaker 1: are you call us? Are you okay? I didn't get
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Speaker 1: a response. Time Stories with Nancy Grace as we were
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Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous young woman, Nancy Blue,
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Speaker 1: aged twenty four. Take a listen to our cut eight
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Speaker 1: our friends at News Nation. Now when I go someplace
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Speaker 1: and I see some friends on her, I can you
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Speaker 1: imagine something? Where is my daughter? Why they happened to her?
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Speaker 1: It's been three long months of pain and anguish for
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Speaker 1: the family of twenty four year old Jennifer Karadad. Those
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Speaker 1: who miss her dearly include two younger brothers, her mother Lenore,
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Speaker 1: and father Enrique. I can spring being love for her.
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Speaker 1: It's my life everything for me. I know I had
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Speaker 1: two more kids. I love him, but it's a girl
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Speaker 1: I love so much. And rich Dator Bethany Marshall. I
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Speaker 1: was just breaking my heart to hear her father breaking
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Speaker 1: down like that and crying. You know, I've always said
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Speaker 1: my father might to have been my soul mate, and
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Speaker 1: I missed him so much since he passed away. You know,
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Speaker 1: he went through that grieving period with me, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: those late nights of anguish after he passed away unexpectedly.
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Speaker 1: But I remember he would cry over good things and
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Speaker 1: bad things. And I just want to tell you a
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Speaker 1: quick story. I know you've heard it, so just talk
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Speaker 1: amongst yourselves here in the studio. Okay. You remember Dancing
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Speaker 1: with the Stars, Bethany, and you and I were to
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Speaker 1: gather a lot then because we were in the same
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Speaker 1: neighborhood at that time, and I will never forget he
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Speaker 1: and my mom came out to live and help me
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Speaker 1: take care of the twins because they moved out with
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Speaker 1: me to do Dancing with the Stars, and I will
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Speaker 1: never forget as long as I live. Of course, I
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Speaker 1: was held in Jeopardy every single program, every program, every time,
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Speaker 1: and the first time it happened, I was sit there
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Speaker 1: with Metal World Peace the Great Ape, and I looked
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Speaker 1: across and I saw my father across that big, humongous stage.
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Speaker 1: I saw him, and he was trying to smile at me,
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Speaker 1: but he was crying because he thought I was embarrassed
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Speaker 1: and upset because I was in Jeopardy and about to
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Speaker 1: be kicked off, which I wasn't amazingly. I stayed on
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Speaker 1: till almost the very end. But I looked at him
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Speaker 1: and he was actually in tears, and nobody would have known,
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Speaker 1: probably if they had looked, but I knew I could tell.
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Speaker 1: And it broke my heart, and I said, so help me, God,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in this thing one way or
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Speaker 1: the other because it's making my father cry. Oh my stars,
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Speaker 1: and now they just hit me. When I was listening
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Speaker 1: to her father crying, and he says, everything he sees
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Speaker 1: reminds him of Jennifer. Everywhere he goes, something reminds him
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Speaker 1: of Jennifer. That just pain and not knowing. And Nancy
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Speaker 1: think about it. She's in a developmental stage where probably
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Speaker 1: she's very close to her father. Just like when you
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Speaker 1: had the twins and you were dancing on Dancing with
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Speaker 1: the Stars. I mean, your dad was your cheerleader. I
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Speaker 1: remember when he came to your book opening. There was
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Speaker 1: a huge party in New York City. Tons of people
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Speaker 1: were there. Everyone anybody wanted to talk to you and
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Speaker 1: to kind of have a piece of you. And your
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Speaker 1: dad was there in the background the whole time. And
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Speaker 1: I remember at the end of the evening he fainted
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Speaker 1: and you screamed, Daddy, I have never ever heard such
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Speaker 1: a plaintive sound. And Nancy, what really? I thought about
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Speaker 1: that so many times over the years. I feel cheerful
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Speaker 1: right now just thinking about it. It was a tie
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Speaker 1: between a father and a daughter, and you two had
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Speaker 1: a tie like nobody else. I mean, I call my
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Speaker 1: ninety one year old dad every night. I took him
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Speaker 1: to France two years ago because he's my travel buddy
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Speaker 1: at certain stages in life. We have special relationships with
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Speaker 1: her parents that don't replicate other eras. And think about Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: She's twenty four, is she dating, is she going out
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Speaker 1: with her friends? Does she come home at night and
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Speaker 1: you know, sit up late with her dad and talk
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Speaker 1: about what's going on with her day. That's probably the
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Speaker 1: type of relationship they had. He loves his other kids,
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Speaker 1: his sons, but nothing is like his relationship with his daughter.
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Speaker 1: Just thinking about that, and I want to go to
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Speaker 1: our special guests joining us, Christina ardon Nellie, multi media
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Speaker 1: journalists joining us from one of our favorite stations, KATVL Christina,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I led doctor Bethany and everybody down the
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Speaker 1: garden path about the father daughter relationship. I want to
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Speaker 1: get back onto the disappearance of this beautiful young woman.
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Speaker 1: Now tell me Christina gyardon Nellie about the day that
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Speaker 1: she goes missing. So she goes missing August eighth, out
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Speaker 1: of Sunnyside, Washington. Her family hasn't seen her for over
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Speaker 1: three months now. She leaves her home, like you said,
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Speaker 1: at five pm in August, it would still be broad
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Speaker 1: day light there. So she tells her family where she's going,
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Speaker 1: leaves her home and then stops answering, oh did she
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Speaker 1: so she had her cell phone with her? She did, yes, Angela.
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Speaker 1: Do you know what vehicle she was driving? Christina, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so she was driving the family's suv was registered in
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Speaker 1: her father's name, and Christina Jardinelli. The fact of the
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Speaker 1: matter is that when a vehicle is less than about
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Speaker 1: ten years old, it's gonna have V navigation in it.
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Speaker 1: So that's one way to find her. And I know
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Speaker 1: you recall this case of Sherry Peppini, Christina, where the
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Speaker 1: mom goes for a jog and then she goes missing
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Speaker 1: and she's gone, and I think it was on Thanksgiving Day.
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Speaker 1: She has found her husband found her phone by using
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Speaker 1: find my iPhone. Recently covered a case where a woman
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Speaker 1: was missing a college student. Her friends found her phone
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Speaker 1: by find my iPhone, So she had her phone and
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Speaker 1: she was in the family suv with nav to navigation,
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Speaker 1: they should have been able to find her relatively quickly,
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Speaker 1: but they didn't find her. They didn't find the suv
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Speaker 1: in time to find her in it. Let's take a
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Speaker 1: listen to the rest of nine A. Our friends at
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Speaker 1: News Nation now say where are you? Call us? Are
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Speaker 1: you okay? I didn't get a response. The day after
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Speaker 1: the family suv was found at Bergland Lake in Yakama.
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Speaker 1: There was blood in the back seat and some of
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's clothing was nearby, but not her. I can't even
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Speaker 1: imagine what this family went through, their praying, they're searching there,
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Speaker 1: you know, summoning up all of their friends and relatives
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Speaker 1: to go look for Jennifer, and then the family suv
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Speaker 1: she was driving is found. There was blood in the
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Speaker 1: back seat, some of her clothing is found nearby. Back
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Speaker 1: to our friend from ktv L Kristina's yard, Nelly Christina,
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Speaker 1: how far was the vehicle the suv found from the
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Speaker 1: family home? Yes, Nancy, that vehicle found at Berlin Lake
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Speaker 1: in Yakima, which is about thirty eight miles from Sunnyside
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Speaker 1: where she left. Wow, so she's about, I would say,
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Speaker 1: in that terrain at least forty five minutes away. Justin Boardman,
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Speaker 1: a former Special Victims Union detective and author. Justin we
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Speaker 1: always say a lot can happen in a couple of blocks.
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Speaker 1: You know, all the stories of I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: get a loaf of bread, I'm going to go get
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Speaker 1: a pack of cigarettes, and then they're never seen again.
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Speaker 1: Here this one was in the family suv and it's
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Speaker 1: found about forty five minutes away at a lake. Bergland Lake.
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Speaker 1: It's a reservoir there in Yakima County in Washington, and
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Speaker 1: it's a big, big fishing spot. That's what it's known for. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this area is actually fairly close to the City's around
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Speaker 1: a big area of we call these things spaghetti bowls,
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Speaker 1: but the freeways on and off ramps and so on
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Speaker 1: and so forth around half of it was it appears
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Speaker 1: to be. But there's also a river, a large river,
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Speaker 1: right next to it. And so as much as we
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Speaker 1: think that it was super secluded, it's not as secluded
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Speaker 1: as as you might think. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a. Listen to our cut seven.
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Speaker 1: This is Angela Colonel A k i am A detectives
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Speaker 1: have been collecting evidence all morning at Burgwind Lake, flying
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Speaker 1: a drone and using a boat with an underwater cam.
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Speaker 1: Came after. They say they found articles of clothing and shoes.
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Speaker 1: They say it may belong to the missing woman. They
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Speaker 1: say they also found a tarp with blood on it
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Speaker 1: in that same area. Sunnyside Police and Yakima Police detectives
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Speaker 1: say they're working as hard as possible to bring Carrie
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Speaker 1: dot home to her family, hopefully bring her back alive.
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Speaker 1: We're going to keep working on it and we're going
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Speaker 1: to stay after it until we can tell us some
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Speaker 1: type of enclose the location where she may be. So
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Speaker 1: explain to me what you believe they should be doing
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Speaker 1: right now. Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina.
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Speaker 1: A crime scene vet. What should they be doing with
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Speaker 1: that crime scene? And it's best specifically that SUV. You
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Speaker 1: process this scene first by looking in the vehicle and
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Speaker 1: seeing if there's anything in the vehicle that would detect DNA.
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Speaker 1: Would it detect anything that occurred such as blood? Is
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Speaker 1: there a body in the trunk? You want to go
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Speaker 1: through and have the forensic team do a full evaluation
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Speaker 1: of this vehicle and secure it immediately, and you justin
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Speaker 1: what do you make of it? What should be doing?
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Speaker 1: For one thing, if her shoes are out of the
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Speaker 1: sev and somebody threw those shoes out and they've got
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Speaker 1: to have prints on them, right, you know certainly that.
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Speaker 1: But I'm going to start why, I'm going to start
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Speaker 1: by seizing the lake as much as I could, at
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Speaker 1: least with the crime scene, and work my way in
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Speaker 1: and gathering the evidence that way. I would also be
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Speaker 1: certainly being doing a rescue effort around in the surrounding areas,
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Speaker 1: rivers and so and so forth to see if I
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Speaker 1: can find if this person is alive. In the meantime,
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Speaker 1: certainly we would collect some blood evidence, and although our
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Speaker 1: state labs are usually so backed up it takes forever
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Speaker 1: to get any sort of confirmation. That might be a
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Speaker 1: time where you would use a private lab at least
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Speaker 1: for part of it to see if that match has
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Speaker 1: heard DNA. And then we're going to be shaking down
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Speaker 1: the camping spots for witnesses. We're gonna be talking trying
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Speaker 1: to get a time frame how long it's been there
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Speaker 1: and then working our way into the vehicle. So the
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Speaker 1: clothing certainly is going to get processed, but we're going
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Speaker 1: to go ahead and document where it's at as if
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Speaker 1: it was thrown out, maybe it was taken off out there.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna be taking We're gonna be taking a look
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Speaker 1: at all of that. Another thing is this lake is
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Speaker 1: twelve acres is huge. That's a lot of ground to
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Speaker 1: cover if you're gonna bring in divers, if you're going
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Speaker 1: to bring in size scans sonar. I know they've already
21:45
Speaker 1: had a boat with a camera on the bottom of
21:47
Speaker 1: it looking. That's a huge amount of water, and an
21:51
Speaker 1: underwater search is very difficult, especially in a lake. I'll
21:56
Speaker 1: tell you why. The bottom of a lake, if any
21:58
Speaker 1: of you ever touched it with your foot when you're swimming,
22:00
Speaker 1: is always like gooey feeling. That silt comes up, and
22:04
Speaker 1: if it gets disturbed, it makes the whole lake. You
22:07
Speaker 1: can't even see the hand in front of your face.
22:10
Speaker 1: That's very, very difficult for forensic divers. Go ahead, I
22:13
Speaker 1: think that you made a great point. There is the sonar.
22:18
Speaker 1: It's more of a newer sort of technology in the
22:20
Speaker 1: last ten or fifteen years those finding bodies from long
22:24
Speaker 1: ago all over the country. And I'm not sure is
22:29
Speaker 1: if they even deployed something like that. I know they
22:32
Speaker 1: had the boat with an underwater camera justin and yeah,
22:36
Speaker 1: I don't know too much, right, Yeah, I think they
22:38
Speaker 1: should have used they should be using skidescan sonar. But
22:42
Speaker 1: let me tell you what happens next. Take a listen
22:45
Speaker 1: to our cut fourteen Jennifer Orcofdander. Most departments have what
22:51
Speaker 1: we call victim assist programs. The FBI has it, Most
22:54
Speaker 1: departments have it. And that is the liaison between the
22:57
Speaker 1: department in a case like this and the individual victims
23:02
Speaker 1: that are involved, and that is a victim family, and
23:05
Speaker 1: that provides information to these families so they know at
23:09
Speaker 1: least the status of the investigation. The big problem here
23:13
Speaker 1: is they are calling this a missing person's investigation. The
23:17
Speaker 1: commander has said, we have no crime here. I would
23:21
Speaker 1: beg to differ, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, We've gone
23:24
Speaker 1: over and over and over this. Why do police forces
23:29
Speaker 1: sheriff's forces insist on saying when a woman goes missing,
23:32
Speaker 1: she's just missing. They find blood in the back seat
23:35
Speaker 1: and her clothes laying by the suv. She's not where
23:38
Speaker 1: she's supposed to be. She's forty five minutes away at least.
23:42
Speaker 1: Why are they calling it a potential homicide. Why do
23:46
Speaker 1: they always discount it when women are victims. Oh, she's
23:50
Speaker 1: just off with her boyfriend. She's just a big tramp.
23:52
Speaker 1: She's probably sleeping around. She's just missing. She'll turn up. Why, Nancy,
23:58
Speaker 1: they don't know this family. They don't know this girl.
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Speaker 1: They don't know that she's a beloved member of the family.
24:03
Speaker 1: She's not out at the bars drinking till four in
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Speaker 1: the morning. She's not a street worker who just met
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Speaker 1: the wrong person. And even if she was, it should
24:12
Speaker 1: always be considered a crime. Nancy. They're following their procedural guidelines.
24:17
Speaker 1: They're following their little book, but they are not looking
24:21
Speaker 1: at the big picture. A beloved daughter, sister does not
24:27
Speaker 1: just go missing for no good reason. Nancy. I jump
24:32
Speaker 1: in here for I was appalled to read that they
24:37
Speaker 1: don't consider a crime has occurred. And if my daughter
24:41
Speaker 1: was in this situation, I would be banging down the doors.
24:44
Speaker 1: And apparently the parents are going to the sheriff's apartment
24:48
Speaker 1: at least twice a week to ask them what's going
24:51
Speaker 1: on with this investigation. Can you imagine you know what
24:54
Speaker 1: you're reminding me of Kathleen Murphy. You're reminding me of
24:59
Speaker 1: Jennifer ke See in Florida, they had to finally sue
25:04
Speaker 1: the police to get documents about Jennifer's disappearance. It's insane,
25:09
Speaker 1: banging on the doors, showing up all the time, trying
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Speaker 1: to get evidence getting nothing. As a matter of fact,
25:14
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut eleven. Our friend Nancy
25:17
Speaker 1: LeWitt needs that news. Nation now, there has been no
25:19
Speaker 1: news from Sunnyside Police about the case. The department refused
25:23
Speaker 1: an interview request, but said it continues to partner with
25:26
Speaker 1: other agencies in their investigation. Several drone and dive searches
25:30
Speaker 1: of the lake have yielded no major clues. We just
25:33
Speaker 1: want to know what happened to her, if she's dead
25:37
Speaker 1: or not. We just want to We want to have peace.
25:41
Speaker 1: When I asked him through that take care of my daughter.
25:48
Speaker 1: I can't do anything but Duke, that's all ask why
25:53
Speaker 1: my daughter. Just hearing that father's voice is breaking my heart.
25:58
Speaker 1: So what more do we know about Jennifer's life? Take
26:02
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nine b our friends at
26:05
Speaker 1: News Nation Now, Jennifer was said to be consumed with
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend of eight months, twenty six year old Aralio Escobar.
26:12
Speaker 1: The relationships soon overshadowed her work with kids at a
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Speaker 1: childcare center, but the Caradads were less than impressed with Escobar,
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Speaker 1: who was unemployed and moved in with the family over
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Speaker 1: the summer. Thought that I'm scared of him. That just said,
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Speaker 1: I just had a free feeling. I don't want to
26:28
Speaker 1: be in well with him. Okay, that's unemployee moves in
26:31
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend's family. I bet they weren't thrilled about that.
26:34
Speaker 1: But what bothers me the most is that the phrase
26:38
Speaker 1: used doctor bething, this is when you really need you.
26:42
Speaker 1: She was quote consumed with him. You know, I would
26:47
Speaker 1: expect to hear, oh, she fell head over heels. She
26:51
Speaker 1: was so in love with him, she was captivated by him. Consumed.
26:56
Speaker 1: That has a negative connotation to me. Yeah, it does,
26:59
Speaker 1: because it implies that she feels it's all up to
27:03
Speaker 1: her to hold on to him. You know, healthy relationships
27:06
Speaker 1: are based upon mutuality. Both people are mutually and equally
27:10
Speaker 1: invested and in love and meeting each other's needs. Consumed
27:15
Speaker 1: with him, and also that she kind of lost interest
27:18
Speaker 1: in her own work, implies that she is suppressing her needs,
27:23
Speaker 1: her interests, her instincts to hold on to his love.
27:27
Speaker 1: And I have this picture of him sort of being remote,
27:31
Speaker 1: maybe possessive and jealous and remote all of the same time.
27:34
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that is it not
27:38
Speaker 1: consumed by him? Is it controlled by him? Because when
27:43
Speaker 1: you're in one of those controlling relationships, it's almost dictated
27:47
Speaker 1: to you that you stay away from your friends at work,
27:50
Speaker 1: that you spend more time with a controller, that you
27:54
Speaker 1: break or disassociate with your family. And it may appear
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Speaker 1: to others that you're consumed by the partner, but in
28:01
Speaker 1: fact you're being controlled by the partner well, because what
28:05
Speaker 1: he's doing successively is cutting her off from everybody who
28:09
Speaker 1: loves her, who could support her and could actually step
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Speaker 1: in and help her disagree with him. I mean, controllers
28:18
Speaker 1: remove the victim's social and psychological support so that they
28:22
Speaker 1: are the only influence in that person's life. And think
28:26
Speaker 1: about it, Nancy, he did not have a job. And
28:29
Speaker 1: what that also tells me, and he moved in with
28:32
Speaker 1: the family, is that he had a parasitic relationship with him.
28:36
Speaker 1: And when somebody has a parasitic relationship, think John Vanderslut
28:41
Speaker 1: He never earned his own money. He just grifted from
28:44
Speaker 1: place to place, living off the women he was with
28:46
Speaker 1: and living off his family. You know, it paints a
28:49
Speaker 1: scenario where somebody is not supporting their own life, so
28:53
Speaker 1: they need to dominate the victim to get money from them.
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Speaker 1: Justin Boardman. First off, I love parasite such a perfect
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Speaker 1: word when you talk about offenders manipulation. I mean, let's
29:06
Speaker 1: take a look at we're talking about the victim and
29:09
Speaker 1: his It sounds very biased as far as what the
29:15
Speaker 1: police department and stuff is thinking. Let's flip it. Let's
29:18
Speaker 1: take a look at what he's been doing. Let's take
29:20
Speaker 1: a look at his parasite abilities and his manipulation. So
29:27
Speaker 1: how is he controlling? It's a power and control relationships.
29:31
Speaker 1: He's he's manipulating. He's controlling the way that she thinks,
29:36
Speaker 1: separating her from her supports them so that he can
29:42
Speaker 1: have complete control, have her all to himself. Time stories
29:53
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. So how does in the midst of
29:57
Speaker 1: her disappearance and the family brokenhearted on the back seater
30:01
Speaker 1: close outside the family SUV parked at a twelve acre
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Speaker 1: lake forty five minutes away. None of that is good.
30:08
Speaker 1: How does this seemingly unrelated crime a series of carjackings
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Speaker 1: connect to Jennifer's disappearance. Take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Angela Curndall at Kima Cut five after several more armed
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Speaker 1: carjackings in Oregon, please say, twenty five year old Aurelio
30:26
Speaker 1: Escobar has been caught in Medford, Oregon, following a high
30:29
Speaker 1: speed chase and a shootout with police. It gave us
30:32
Speaker 1: an instance sense of relief that he has been taken
30:35
Speaker 1: into custody so that we can stop him from creating
30:38
Speaker 1: more havoc along the Washington and Oregon and before he
30:41
Speaker 1: victimizes anybody else. Seeley says, as soon as Escobar's out
30:45
Speaker 1: of surgery and able to talk, he'll be flying a
30:47
Speaker 1: detective down right away. Yesterday we learned Escobar's girlfriend is
30:51
Speaker 1: also missing. We have to try to find the information
30:54
Speaker 1: that he's holding as to what happened to his girlfriend.
30:58
Speaker 1: Doctor Betty, can you eat imagine the parents, these parents
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Speaker 1: that we're hearing crying, begging for help about their daughter
31:07
Speaker 1: who is living with them, the apple of their eye,
31:11
Speaker 1: and then the phone rings, they pick it up. It's
31:13
Speaker 1: the cops. They haven't found the daughter, but the boyfriend
31:18
Speaker 1: is in the hospital after a high speed chase following
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Speaker 1: a carjacking. That's not what you want to hear, Nancy.
31:25
Speaker 1: It's shocking. And think about it. They probably brought him
31:27
Speaker 1: into the fold with huge regrets. They probably didn't even
31:31
Speaker 1: want him living with them, but they took him in
31:34
Speaker 1: to make the daughter happy. So now they're going to
31:36
Speaker 1: feel complicit, They're going to feel guilty, they're going to
31:39
Speaker 1: feel frightening, frightened. And those are a lot of facts
31:44
Speaker 1: to put together for just a normal family. Oh the
31:48
Speaker 1: sense of dread that must have descended on them like
31:52
Speaker 1: a wet blanket. Take a listen to our cut four.
31:56
Speaker 1: Our friends at Kima Police say after the shooting, the
31:59
Speaker 1: suspect drove to Wapatow, attempted a carjack ink, then drove
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Speaker 1: to Goldendale where he stole another car, then onto Portland
32:06
Speaker 1: where he left that stolen car and stole yet another car.
32:10
Speaker 1: He's basically moving from city to city, and he looks
32:12
Speaker 1: like he's heading south and he's just committing crime in
32:14
Speaker 1: every city he goes to, and he's forcefully he's carjacking
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Speaker 1: people at gunpoint, and he's willing to shoot people obviously
32:21
Speaker 1: for their vehicles. My advice to the public is, if
32:23
Speaker 1: somebody asked for your car keys and they produce a gun,
32:26
Speaker 1: give them the car keys. It's a piece of property.
32:28
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. Justin Boordman, if somebody wants your car keys,
32:33
Speaker 1: your car is not worth your life. It's certainly not
32:36
Speaker 1: worth your life. Yeah, you just give it. You just
32:41
Speaker 1: give it over if you don't resist, and you comply
32:45
Speaker 1: until they leave. Yeah, and then call authorities. Absolutely. Now,
32:49
Speaker 1: how was he affecting the carjackies? Not one, but multiple?
32:53
Speaker 1: And this is who Jennifer's family finds out her boyfriend
32:57
Speaker 1: really is. He's been living under their roof, had no
33:00
Speaker 1: idea what he was really like. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut to our friends at Kima. Officers say the
33:07
Speaker 1: victim was in the area behind me here with his
33:10
Speaker 1: young daughter and a find of fishing when a man
33:13
Speaker 1: came up to him with a gun demanding his car keys,
33:17
Speaker 1: and the victim gave his keys, which is what I
33:19
Speaker 1: would we would want him to do. But then the
33:21
Speaker 1: victim started following the suspect and said, wait a minute,
33:24
Speaker 1: give my keys back. I'm all my keys. The suspect
33:26
Speaker 1: turned around a shot M three times to Christina and
33:29
Speaker 1: Giardnelly joining us from KTVL. Christina, I guarantee you Jennifer's
33:36
Speaker 1: parents had no idea what this boyfriend was really light,
33:40
Speaker 1: what he's really capable of, and in the midst of all,
33:43
Speaker 1: their daughter's gone. That's right, Nancy. I did speak to
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Speaker 1: those parents September twenty seventh, that was, and they said
33:49
Speaker 1: that he had been living with them for about one
33:51
Speaker 1: month when this all happened. He had you know, her
33:54
Speaker 1: father told me that he had asked permission to move
33:56
Speaker 1: in with them, and that, you know, at the request
33:59
Speaker 1: of his daughters told him, you know, she loved him,
34:01
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, what can I do? That's
34:03
Speaker 1: my daughter. I got a support her. So you know,
34:05
Speaker 1: this is what the parents are telling me that when
34:07
Speaker 1: they find the vehicle, that's the first they hear of it. Guys,
34:10
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen again to our
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Speaker 1: cut six. This is our friends from k I M A.
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Speaker 1: Please say they found what appeared to be a substantial
34:19
Speaker 1: amount of blood in the backseat of the car. Escobar
34:22
Speaker 1: drove to Yacomar, before he demanded car keys from a
34:25
Speaker 1: man on the greenway next to Bergland Lake and shot
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Speaker 1: him three times. Officers say that car belonged to Escobar's
34:31
Speaker 1: girlfriend's parents. Authorities say twenty four year old Jennifer Karidad,
34:36
Speaker 1: who you can see here, has been missing since Friday
34:38
Speaker 1: and was last seen with her boyfriend Escobar at a
34:41
Speaker 1: sunnyside gathering. So what that means to me, Christina Giardinelli,
34:46
Speaker 1: is the little brother was right that Jennifer says, Hey,
34:50
Speaker 1: I gotta go pick up my boyfriend or Relio, And
34:54
Speaker 1: this tells me she did pick him up. She didn't
34:58
Speaker 1: just drive to that lake all by herself. She picked
35:03
Speaker 1: him up, because then he is spotted in the family's
35:06
Speaker 1: suv before it's found at the lake, right Nanthane. Of course,
35:11
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened there yet, but what we
35:13
Speaker 1: do know is the twenty four year old piction that
35:15
Speaker 1: you just heard about there. You know, he did tell
35:18
Speaker 1: police that he saw Escobar going to and from his
35:22
Speaker 1: suv looking suspicious, So that is one of the fact
35:24
Speaker 1: that we know from that situation. Guys, Jennifer is still missing.
35:29
Speaker 1: The TIMP line is five zero nine eight three six
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Speaker 1: sixty two hundred repeat five zero nine eight three six
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Speaker 1: sixty two hundred. Look at her five O nine eight
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Speaker 1: three six sixty two hundred. Jennifer Carrot at just twenty
35:46
Speaker 1: four years old. Her parents still don't know where she is.
35:50
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twelve. This is Cody
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Speaker 1: Proctor k E. P. R. Jack Well. Police say the
35:55
Speaker 1: man accused of going on a multi stage crime spree
35:58
Speaker 1: isn't giving them any answers about his missing girlfriend. Detectives
36:02
Speaker 1: were finally able to speak with Aurelio Escobar, who's recovering
36:06
Speaker 1: after being shot by police several times. Investigators say as
36:10
Speaker 1: soon as they asked Escobar about blood foul to the
36:13
Speaker 1: back seat of the car he was driving, he told
36:16
Speaker 1: them he wanted an attorney and stopped talking. Detectives think
36:20
Speaker 1: that blood maybe from Escobar's missing girlfriend, Jennifer Carradad. Police
36:24
Speaker 1: say Escobar shot a man in Yakima, then went on
36:28
Speaker 1: a spree of carjackings before getting in a shootout with
36:31
Speaker 1: police in Medford, Oregon. Divers returned to Bergland Lake Saturday
36:36
Speaker 1: to search for evidence. They say they didn't find anything.
36:40
Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, that's not what you would expect
36:43
Speaker 1: a loving boyfriend to say, there's blood in the back
36:47
Speaker 1: seat of where your girlfriend was last seen in the car.
36:52
Speaker 1: I would go berserk if someone found blood where a
36:55
Speaker 1: family member was last seen. He just clammed at wanted
36:59
Speaker 1: a lawyer. But Nancy, think about this. What if the
37:02
Speaker 1: entire family was a mark. In other words, what if
37:06
Speaker 1: he solicited Jennifer's attention and love so that he could
37:10
Speaker 1: move in with the family, so that he could steal
37:12
Speaker 1: their van, so that he could go on a crime spree,
37:16
Speaker 1: on and on and on. I mean, we're thinking about
37:18
Speaker 1: him as being a controlling boyfriend. What if it's even
37:21
Speaker 1: worse than that. What if he's a sociopath like the
37:24
Speaker 1: sheep and Wolf's clothing who moves into the house and
37:28
Speaker 1: moving in with Jennifer's family is the beginning of the
37:31
Speaker 1: crime spree. That is where it all begins. And once
37:34
Speaker 1: he has a body, he has to do a daisy
37:37
Speaker 1: chain of hijacking cars and getting rid of one and
37:41
Speaker 1: getting another. Why does he have a body with him?
37:43
Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's going on? What is his goal
37:46
Speaker 1: at this point? A second, let's to arrest of our
37:49
Speaker 1: cut twelve. Oh you ll be if somebody will call
37:51
Speaker 1: in and give us, Let him give us the information.
37:55
Speaker 1: At this point, were you've exhausted everything that we do,
37:59
Speaker 1: think of, we research the area that we're worried. At
38:02
Speaker 1: this point, you were hearing the police chief Jay Feely,
38:07
Speaker 1: hoping that a miracle will happen and someone will call
38:11
Speaker 1: in a tip to the number I'm giving you. Five
38:14
Speaker 1: zero nine eight three six sixty two hundred. Back to
38:18
Speaker 1: our friend, joining as Christinas yard Nelly, where is Escobar?
38:23
Speaker 1: Now he's actually in jail here in Jackson County awaiting trial.
38:27
Speaker 1: So after the shootout with police and still no word
38:31
Speaker 1: about Jennifer as her family waits distraught, tipline again, five
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Speaker 1: zero nine eight three six sixty two hundred, Where is Jennifer?
38:45
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,