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Saints Preseason Recap – Defense Shines, Offense Struggles · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Mercedes Benz of Baton Rouge Studio. Here's
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  Speaker 1: Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome O TV one, O four five ESPN Baton Rouge.
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  Speaker 5: Here on this Monday morning. Jake Flynn, Alandra Taylor all
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  Speaker 5: here with you. Ready to go preseason football. Let's go exciting.
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  Speaker 3: How are we doing? How we live? And how was
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  Speaker 3: the weekend? Sir?
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  Speaker 2: Weekend was good. Got a little rest. Folks are in town.
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  Speaker 2: I had the kids chasing them around. That's good.
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  Speaker 3: Got a chance to say hello to him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a great weekend. That's football on the TV.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's just nice to have football on the background.
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  Speaker 2: Fall albeit terrible preseason football, so bad, but it's so great.
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  Speaker 2: It is so great just to have the noises back there.
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  Speaker 2: So it's been good. It's been a good weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Did you have a player over the weekend, and anybody
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  Speaker 5: can answer this. A player over the weekend that showed
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  Speaker 5: up in a preseason game.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, wow, I fell still plays.
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  Speaker 2: A good question. Someone stick out to you case Keenum, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: that was it.
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  Speaker 3: He went in there from the Bears, and I'm like, there,
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  Speaker 3: ain't no way.
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  Speaker 2: Ain't no way. So I saw him. So I was
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  Speaker 2: watching that game kind of background. I wasn't like paying
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  Speaker 2: attention to it, and I saw the quarterback plan and
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  Speaker 2: I recognized like the body language, and I couldn't like
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  Speaker 2: read the name because they hadn't zoomed in yet. So
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  Speaker 2: it took I had to like watch for like two
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  Speaker 2: or three minutes to finally get to catch the name plate.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I was like, huh, that's interesting. Good for him.
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  Speaker 2: He was almost out of the league in I want
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  Speaker 2: to say, like fifteen or sixteen, and he got called
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember. I think the Texans called him in
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  Speaker 2: maybe September.
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  Speaker 3: Sember run with Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: Was it Minnesota? Okay, maybe it was the champions.
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  Speaker 3: So we don't want to bring up that whole nil.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, because I think I remember the story.
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  Speaker 2: He was out of it, he wasn't on the team,
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  Speaker 2: and he was like in a deer stand. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: he got his text from his agent saying, hey, got
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  Speaker 2: will workout for you? Yeah you want to make a
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  Speaker 2: playoff run?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So still doing it, going strong.
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  Speaker 3: Good for him, Good for him, anybody else? Anybody else?
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  Speaker 3: Have a random person and like, oh wow, that guy
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  Speaker 3: still plays.
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  Speaker 6: Every time I see timol every time I see Tim
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  Speaker 6: Boyle is a backup.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like Tim Boyle is still has played for a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of teams for a lot of How to make y'all
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  Speaker 2: feel you go back to the Chicago game when they
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  Speaker 2: panted the sideline, saw Dennis Island's face, I laughed at TV.
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  Speaker 3: Good coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, Dennis.
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  Speaker 6: Allen's defense can get a stop and they gave up
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  Speaker 6: like a fifteen yard dig round on third and ten
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  Speaker 6: tennis side.
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  Speaker 5: Stay hot, Bud, just stay consistent, Stay consistent. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm like Flynn. It was good to see football,
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  Speaker 5: even if it was background fodder. They're over the week
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  Speaker 5: in a Landra, How was your weekend?
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  Speaker 7: It was good. I did a whole lot of sleeping.
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  Speaker 7: I was a little under the weather, so Saturday.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't ready for sleep, That's all.
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  Speaker 1: I like.
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  Speaker 8: I had a remote out in Gonzalez, on Saturday morning,
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  Speaker 8: I got home passed out for hours, and then the
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  Speaker 8: night before I watched my neighbor's daughter.
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  Speaker 7: It was so good.
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  Speaker 8: I showed her Rookie of the Year and loved it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: she was like, oh wait, I like this movie and
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  Speaker 8: she really liked it.
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  Speaker 7: So that's fun too.
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  Speaker 8: I think that's like what I'm most looking forward to
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  Speaker 8: if I ever have kids is showing them all the
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  Speaker 8: movies that I used to like as a kid.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna sit down and you're gonna We're gonna watch
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  Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year. It is a great sand line, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're watch.
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  Speaker 2: Because like the movies we grew up with, we think
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  Speaker 2: our kids should like them because we turned out awesome,
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  Speaker 2: so like they need to turn out as awesome. But
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  Speaker 2: I had that experience recently with uh with Little Big League. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like they loved it and they asked to watch it
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  Speaker 2: again the other night. They're like, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: Friday or Saturday, like can we go to sleep to it?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, why not? That was a Little
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  Speaker 2: Big League. Yeah, a couple of risk parts of that
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  Speaker 2: movie I didn't know about as a child, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I liked it. I think the nineties. They like to
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  Speaker 2: sprinkle those in there.
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  Speaker 5: I had something for the parents. I mean, any movie
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  Speaker 5: be like Shrek. Yeah, it's got a ton of stuff
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  Speaker 5: for adults. The kids don't know what they're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: This is a little bit more different. Like the little
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  Speaker 2: boy from a Little Big League. He is in a
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  Speaker 2: he ends up paying for certain movies in a hotel room.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah weird.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well, and then I showed her I showed
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  Speaker 7: her bride worse too. That's uh.
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  Speaker 8: Kate Hudson and Anne Hathaway, they're best friends and they
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  Speaker 8: both want to get married at the plaza. But yeah,
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  Speaker 8: I think one of my favorite bits is him calling
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  Speaker 8: him a different name every time, where he's.
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  Speaker 3: Like, way to go, run a buck up, yes, gardener.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's great movie. Great movie.
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  Speaker 2: Do you do you call that babysitting or just hanging
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  Speaker 2: out with We were.
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  Speaker 8: Just hanging out. I mean, I guess I was quote
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  Speaker 8: unquote babysitting, but we were hanging out. I didn't feel like,
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  Speaker 8: yeah played operations.
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  Speaker 7: Oh they have like money with it now. No, she
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  Speaker 7: had it, but they have like money with it now.
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  Speaker 2: Operations aren't cheap.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, gotta pay to play.
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  Speaker 7: The guy didn't have insurance.
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  Speaker 8: It's like a thousand bucks to get the bread basket
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  Speaker 8: out of him.
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  Speaker 6: Oh geez, got fout a dollar for every time somebody
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  Speaker 6: swallowed a bread basket.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if I had a nickel. Have
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  Speaker 2: you ever had a child swallow any four objects before?
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  Speaker 5: Ummm no, no, none of the five nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming with the way you set that story up,
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  Speaker 3: you're about to tell her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it reminded me. She said, they have money at
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  Speaker 2: it now, Like my little one swallowed like a penny
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  Speaker 2: one time this past year.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the true definition. It can't had money.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, especially when they take an X ray and it's
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  Speaker 2: like it's like, oh, yeah, she did it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Uh te the Cowboys played a preseason game more than
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  Speaker 5: Navy jerseys and everything.
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  Speaker 3: How to go? How was the weekend?
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  Speaker 2: I love the Navy jerseys.
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  Speaker 6: I wish uh Ceedee Lamb and the referee would both
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  Speaker 6: have their head on a swivel because, uh, that was
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  Speaker 6: a collision we didn't need in the preseason. Dallas is
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  Speaker 6: already in preseason four or mid season four, so he
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  Speaker 6: got that's excellent.
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  Speaker 2: But it was good. He was into the game. Though
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  Speaker 2: he was celebrating his team teamwork.
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  Speaker 6: He was, he was, he was, he was in a
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  Speaker 6: good move up until that point. But no great weekend,
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  Speaker 6: great wen.
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  Speaker 2: He ends up on the injury. God, all right, let's
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  Speaker 2: let's chill. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So I was talking about this with Katie and the
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  Speaker 5: boys yesterday and he used to bother me as a
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  Speaker 5: player too, And it bothers me, I think even more now,
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  Speaker 5: say my old man taken. I hate that I that
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  Speaker 5: I feel this way. But when somebody's not playing in
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  Speaker 5: a preseason game, do they try as hard as they
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  Speaker 5: possibly can to let you know that they're not playing
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  Speaker 5: in the preseason game. Towel around the neck, hats cocked
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  Speaker 5: to the side, maybe from sunglasses own out in front.
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  Speaker 5: And like, when I was a player, you should bother
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  Speaker 5: me too, Like there's preseason games that I didn't play in,
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  Speaker 5: but I was gonna be dressed, like I was gonna
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  Speaker 5: adjust my uniforms, can go through warm ups whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But like on the.
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  Speaker 5: Sidelines, like, oh my god, that guy's trying so hard
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  Speaker 5: to show everybody, Hey, I didn't have to play this game.
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  Speaker 8: I got.
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  Speaker 6: I got, I got justin Jefferson did this over the weekend,
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  Speaker 6: so on Saturday, they did like a fifteen minute interview
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  Speaker 6: with him, like between commercial breaks. Everything was great, but
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  Speaker 6: like all the other guys, you know, they got their
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  Speaker 6: purple jerseys on with no pats if they're not playing.
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  Speaker 6: Joseph Jefferson shows up, I'm all black, what looked like
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  Speaker 6: Minnesota track suit, sunglasses on, indoors, towel over his shoulder.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, jjy, we get it, Bud, you ain't playing.
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  Speaker 2: But it was I forget him though. That's him a
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  Speaker 2: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. And this is more.
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  Speaker 5: This is more like fringe guys that used to upset me,
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  Speaker 5: like when I was a player, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 5: Like the outside line, I'm backer at starting because of
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  Speaker 5: an injury, and I'm like, and he's trying to let
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  Speaker 5: everybody know, hey, I'm you know it got the tal ramneck,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? They ain't playing today. Seohn
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  Speaker 5: Phillips was the worst. I'll go ahead and put an
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  Speaker 5: into it. My mold teammates shot was the worst. It
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  Speaker 5: is like try to put on a piece of flair
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  Speaker 5: to let you know, Like he'd like go put slides
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  Speaker 5: on to let you know he wasn't playing in that
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  Speaker 5: preseason game, Like, hey man, we get it. We know
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  Speaker 5: what this, we know what this first pre season game
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  Speaker 5: is about.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't a big deal. The first game doesn't mean jack.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It really bothers me about coverage of preseason games,
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  Speaker 2: and you just alluded to it. It's the third and
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  Speaker 2: fourth quarter interview with the star player that is not
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  Speaker 2: playing in the game during the gameplay, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: nobody cares. He's not You're not going to get any
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  Speaker 2: information out of this. I guess people. I guess there
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  Speaker 2: are people. They wouldn't do it if people didn't care.
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  Speaker 2: But like these guys, these cats that are playing the game,
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  Speaker 2: they're working their tail off and their whole family, like
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  Speaker 2: everybody's watching them. People care about like they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: make a team. And you were just like I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what a great throw, a great catch, and they just
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  Speaker 2: like skip right past and they don't show the replay. Uh, Like,
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  Speaker 2: these guys could make the best play you've ever seen
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  Speaker 2: in your life in the third or fourth quarter of
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  Speaker 2: a preseason game, and uh, I don't know. We're worried
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  Speaker 2: about what the star player who doesn't play is. How
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  Speaker 2: is training camps going?
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  Speaker 3: And it was funny.
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  Speaker 5: DeVante Adams was on an interview. He's with the Rams
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  Speaker 5: now and he was doing one of those interviews that
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  Speaker 5: you don't like, and there's like a big play in
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  Speaker 5: the crowd popped a little bit and made some noise
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  Speaker 5: and he's like trying to look and trying to ask
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  Speaker 5: him questions, and he basically was like, hold on, my
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  Speaker 5: guys made a big play. I'm trying to find out
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  Speaker 5: what was going on like during the interview.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys I'm spending like every single day with
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  Speaker 2: and teaching and yeah, anyway, I don't I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: big fan of that.
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  Speaker 5: All Right, we have a preseason game that when we
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  Speaker 5: All right, so the Saints go down to the Chargers
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  Speaker 5: twenty seven to thirteen in the preseason score doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 5: If you win or lose a preseason game doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 5: It's about watching the tape and seeing how the performances
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  Speaker 5: ended up. It's about seeing some things like was it
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  Speaker 5: clean football? Did you have turnovers? Did you protect the quarterback?
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  Speaker 2: Did we protect the quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: No, that did not happen.
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  Speaker 5: My biggest takeaway from the Saints preseason game the Saints
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  Speaker 5: offensive line and now with Trevor Pinning leaving the game,
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  Speaker 5: will clap leaving the game? I mean, you're down a
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  Speaker 5: couple of bodies. But the Saints had their one offensive
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  Speaker 5: line out there against Charger backups and could not block them.
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  Speaker 3: That is troublesome. That makes you worry.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, you had multiple parts of
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  Speaker 5: your first offensive line out there and they were losing.
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  Speaker 5: The Chargers full back they're starting fullback who like Dabbles
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  Speaker 5: and playing defensive line was beating some of your first
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  Speaker 5: team offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: That's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And we talking pass pro run blocking, what are we talking?
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  Speaker 2: I saw the pass blocking your poison. You can better
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  Speaker 2: judge the run blocking, because you've read run blocking for
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  Speaker 2: your entire career. Pass blocking, it just seemed like there
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  Speaker 2: was one loose end a lot of times. But that's
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  Speaker 2: all it really takes, right, That mean, no question about it.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to the run game. If we can start
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  Speaker 2: with the pass protection, that's fine. Caesar Luiz, who's a
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  Speaker 2: first round pick.
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  Speaker 5: Jack ln Hyde has had some moments, but like he
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  Speaker 5: got beat in a way Matt that you see undrafted
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  Speaker 5: free agents get beat. And I don't try, like I'm
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  Speaker 5: not trying to be disrespectful to undrafted free agents, but
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  Speaker 5: when you get in there for the first time, it's
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  Speaker 5: going real fast, you forget all your technique.
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  Speaker 3: You kind of step on your own toes a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: And when I see a guy who is a veteran
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  Speaker 5: player in this league, who is a first round pick,
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  Speaker 5: do that, like that's troublesome to me. It's like he
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  Speaker 5: has got to be more consistent. This was the third
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  Speaker 5: fourth play of the game, and Spencer Ratler is having
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  Speaker 5: to immediately leave the pocket because his first round starting
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  Speaker 5: guard is getting beat by a backup. Now a good defense, Chargers,
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  Speaker 5: I think we're the topping scoring defense.
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  Speaker 3: I think a year ago.
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  Speaker 5: But it's a backup on that team and your guy
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  Speaker 5: throwing a lookout block the third play of a preseason game.
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  Speaker 5: You can say it's one play, sure, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: the only the only play. I mean, you get a
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  Speaker 5: gift the Chargers muff a punt, you get the ball
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  Speaker 5: back there and on you know, one of the biggest
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: I think it was third down Spencer Ratler doesn't even
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: have the ball in his hands yet, and he's getting
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: pressure from the right guard immediately, right, and so like
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: those are things that it's hard to judge a quarterback. Now,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Spencer ended up running down to the one yard line
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: and making a positive playout of it. But it's hard
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: to judge quarterbacks when you have pressure immediately, certainly interior
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: pressure immediately.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Watching the game, that is the number one thing that
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: stuck out to me was the pass protection woes with
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: the with the starting unit. I'm not gonna I'm not
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: gonna take a deep dive into quarters one, two, three,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and four, but.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: It was immediately with your starters against backups, and from
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: all the talk through off season leading up to training
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: camp and up to this point through training camp, most
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: of the talk ninety eight percent of it.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: It's been about the quarterbacks, been a little bit about
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the receivers, what we're doing on defense, Tire Matthew, the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: safety position, and most of we've kind of skipped past
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: and overlooked the offensive line because all reports said, looking
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: pretty good, they're dominating. There's some good clips coming out,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: and we were hoping that that was the one position
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: that we could at least count on to be serviceable,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: be good because of the draft stock, the draft capital
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: they have in it, the least amount of like I guess,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: question marks about who's going to be there at least
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe it's not the right fit, maybe they haven't
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: really shown what they should have. But like from a
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: personnel standpoint, the least amount of question marks, like we
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: got guys here, they should be good.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a position that we're like, okay, right, all right,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: but let me you feel pretty good about it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: But for a preseason game, an absolute running game that
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: was abysmal. Yes, it was blocked awfully, and we were
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: just talking about like the running backs, like he had
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to shot the show out eor but like nineties Emmitt
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Smith wasn't.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Making anything in that game, right, That's a very tough
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: game to evaluate the running back position because when you
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: go and you look at it, and we'll just pull
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: up the box score, you had Kendre Miller six for
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: fifteen yards two point five yards per carrie, cam Akers
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: four for nine two point three yards per carry, Clyde
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: Edwards layer four carries six yards, one point five yards
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: per carrie. You had Jones junior head one carry for
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: negative one yards.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: All right, there was nothing there.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: And I went back and I was kind of looking
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: at some of the tape this morning, and I don't
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: know and you said it too, I don't know where
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: to tell the running back to run. So like the
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: problem coming in here on a Monday morning. It's not
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: that the Saints lost a preseason game. You can go
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: zero and four in the preseason, make the playoffs. It
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: happens all the time. It's when you watch the tape
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: and the positions that you actually felt good about in
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: camp were getting beat consistently in both things they do
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: protecting the quarterback and opening up lanes for the running back.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: When you actually kind of look at the quarterback play,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: there were some encouraging things.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, quarterback. This is based on
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: one yame quarterback will not be the issue for the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints in twenty twenty five. Not saying they're
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: gonna be all pros, not saying they're gonna be top
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: ten or maybe top fifteen, but they are not gonna
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: be the problem for this team. The problem is going
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to be the surrounding pieces around it. Defense, but that
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: offensive line, it has got a lot of work to do.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And it's not just like mental errors. Yeah, we're talking
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: about physically being just beat Yeah, not maybe not outstrengthened,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: like the technique, the footwork, like everything, it's just they
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: got beaten all ways.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: It was weird, It was it was so weird to
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: see a player again.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Not just trying to pick on Caesar Wize, but he's
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: he's the guy that stood out to me. And also
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: like he's just been he's been inconsistent. Like the highs
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: are high, but man, the lows are low. And when
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I say stepping on his own feet, Like when you
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: play offensive line really at any level, but certainly in
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: the National Football League, like there is a process of
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: going through your technique and if you don't do it,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: you'll get beat by anybody. We always joke, like that
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: guy's gonna be an uber driver. Uber drivers are still
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: really good football players when they're in the preseason.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: And like he never even like had a kickstep.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: It was like he was like high school Harry, like
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: let me just turn and try to pass protect you.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Like it blew my mind watching it on tape, and
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: I kind of went back and like I was injured. Well,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: I thought I thought maybe he got stepped on by somebody.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: You know, It's like he couldn't get his noe. Nope,
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: it was just bad technique. And so like that was
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: a unit, and again it is one game. But the
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: thing that worries you is the Chargers didn't have Khalil
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: Mack out there. You know what I'm saying, Like the
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Chargers didn't have they're ones out there rushing you. It
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: was guys that are going to play for the Chargers.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: They're backups in a unit that you thought, Okay, look,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: whichever young quarterback comes in there, they're gonna protect him
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: all right. Whichever running back ends up being behind ak,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: you know, they're gonna be able to be successful, like
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I thought Ken Dre Miller. Actually, like there was a
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: couple of moves that he made that almost texted the
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: group like Okay, I get while he's getting second and
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: third chances right because he's sudden. I'm like okay, but
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter how sudden you are.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It suddenly got hit in the face exactly.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: He would make two guys miss like oh but.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Like that in my hope is if I'm trying to
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: be glass half full about anything, maybe once they're they're
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: tight ends. Like maybe maybe you know, because Foster Moro
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: is obviously somebody that helps him in the run game,
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: like maybe when he gets like Juwan Johnson is a
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: converted receipt, so like.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe the top maybe maybe that helps you.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Lost is gonna help him go that kickstep?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: But my yeah, he just true, my gosh.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, let me maybe the Chargers are like the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: eighty five Bears, but.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: They are they really would I mean they led the
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: league in scoring defense, but if they weren't one, they
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: were like top three. But it wasn't It wasn't there, guys,
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: like you didn't have Derwin James wasn't out there.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: If there's ever like a show that talks about sports
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: that is not gonna overreact to preseason games, it would
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: be our show, and we're not gonna overreact to them
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: looking bad or playing bad or certainly not losing. Like
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: who cares about what the score says at the end
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: of the day in preseason, But when you make simple
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: airs and you're getting beat one on one and your
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: footwear looks bad and you just look like the other
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: people are better football players than you on multiple plays,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: offensive line, like you're gonna win some, you're gonna lose them.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: That is a defensive lineman. That's offensive line. That is
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the life of alignment, especially in the running game, like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: you're gonna win some, you're gonna lose some. In passing game,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you're gonna win. As offensive lineman, you're gonna win the majority.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: You can win ninety nine percent of them and still
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: be a bad offensive lineman. Right, that's just the life
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that it is. But you can't get beat every time, right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And we're not saying they got beat every time, but
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: it certainly looked like it because we couldn't run the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: ball and we're I'm talking more of the first staffs.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Spencer had pressure on him the entire time. So, like
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the biggest question mark has been the quarterback. Everybody's been
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: worried about it. We'll talk about that more in segments
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: that come about their actual play. But I can tell
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you from what we saw in one game, and this
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: is not an overreaction, this is just stadium. What we
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: saw based on yesterday is that quarterback we will not
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: be the issue this year. If there is an issue
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to we had.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: I am oof, man, I am looking at some of
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: the pro football focused grades this game.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the guys towards the bottom.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, Caesar at least fifty one percent, Juwan Johnson
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: fifty one percent.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Like when you.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Look at pass blocking grades, it's just, man, there's not only.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: One way to go.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: It is only one way to go. You're starting, you're
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: starting right guard.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: You're starting right guard, who's a first round pick that
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: you're going to be counting on graded out of thirty
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: four percent past blocking grade yesterday, Like those are the
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: things that when you when you watch it, they showed
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: and look like I just I wanted to see the
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: grades just to make sure that my eyes were telling
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: me the same story. And if the Saints are going
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: to be successful offensively and we'll get to the defense
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: later on, there was actually some really good things with
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: some of the defensive unit, but the if the Saints
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: are gonna have any hope to do anything, even in
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: the South, a division that has been down, the offensive
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: line has to be the unit that you count on
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: every single game because you've got four first round picks
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: in a second round pick. Find me another team across
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: the league that in a position group, any position group
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: has four first rounders in a second rounder and the
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: second rounder is actually the best of the group.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Like, go find me that. You won't. It doesn't exist.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: You have so much draft capital tied into that one position,
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: that position group for what you've spent on.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It needs to be elite.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: They weren't good yesterday.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: They were In fact, they were bad together Like Fogg
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: actually played pretty well at right tackle. Okay, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Banks is somebody that's you know, a rookie, and he
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: held his own a little bit there. But as a unit,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: it's got to go way up if the Saints want
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: to have any kind of a season that they can
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: be proud of, because yesterday's performance from a group that
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: you're counting on was so much put into it and
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: building it. If it plays like that, he'll be going
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: to Pittsburgh next year, and the commissioner is going to
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: say what the first overall pick the New Orleans Saints select.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: With a unit, an offensive unit that has two wide
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: receivers that anyone in the country's ever heard of, two
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks that are a fifth round pick, last year's second
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: round pick, rookie, no veteran quarterbacks, running backs that are
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: established but older getting a little bit older. The group
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: that we're talking about on the lead of this show
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes is about the poor play of the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: one group that has got four first rounders in a second. Yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that's not good. No, you have to have them step by.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: They got to be the anchor of this team. They
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: got a lot to approve on and like, look, the
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: talent's clearly there. They wouldn't have had the draft stock
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: that they did. They just have to figure it out.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: They got to figure out how to be pros. Yeah, man,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm talking about all of them, but just
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: from you got to do your job. Four people can't
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: be great and one person not yet. They got to work.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: You have to non negotiable. When you play the offensive
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: line in the National Football League, you have to all
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: be working It's what makes football the greatest sport in
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: the world. You can have ten guys doing the thing
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: that they're supposed to be doing at an elite level,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: and one guy can be, you know, using poor technique
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: or be not there mentally and not have one step here,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: one step there. Maybe he you know, supposed to go
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: inside shoulder, he goes outside shoulder. And you know what,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: those ten guys doing that elite thing, it does not matter.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: The play is going to be blown up in the backfield.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: That's what makes it the ultimate team sport and the
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: greatest sport we have. It has to be eleven people
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: in Unison, and yesterday.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: It was not that. It was not that in then
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: some and.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: So guess what though, that's another game this week.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: I and and look they might so, depending on on
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: their health. Killing Moore said after the game they might
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: practice with the Rams this week because the Chargers were
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: supposed to practice with the Rams, and the Chargers a
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: little banged up in camp and they decided not to.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: The Saints actually the Rams reached out to them and said, hey,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: would y'all since Charle out here, would y'all want to
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: practice with us those joint practices would benefit the Saints
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: offensive line so much because that Rams defensive line has
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: got dogs, three or four of them.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: If I'm killing more, you got away this all right?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: What kind of practices do you want to have, Sean McVay,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Because I want to go full pads four times this
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: week and I would have run I have running drills,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and I want my offense linemen to work. So if
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the Rams aren't don't want to do that, if I'm
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: killing more, that's what I want to do. I want
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to go nine on seven. I want my offensive line.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I want to kick their ass this week. Yeah right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I wanted to make them get low, make them do
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the footwork stuff.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So if if.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Rams don't want to do those things, that's you got
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to kind of way what type of practice you want
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to do? But I agree with you, if you have
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: those types of practices with another team, it would benefit
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: them tremendously.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Especially with one that has the Rams defensive line. I mean,
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Braden Fisk, You've got Kobe Turner, Byron Young, you got yeah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Jared Verse.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Is obviously on that team.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: I mean you have some really good players that can
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: really get after any offensive line. I mean, Jared Verse,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: what was he not defensive Rookie of the Year last
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: year on the That's what I thought, and I mean
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Fisk and look those Florestate guys who know them well,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: but you can tell shoot the were in the backfield
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: as well, really good players. I still think it's funny
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: that when you look at the Rams defensive depth chart
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: you see Omar Spates starting in the NFL.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Matthhouse.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: I knew Omar was a great player. I watched him
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: at Oregon State. I was so exciting when he got here.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Everybody was calling him slow Mar Spates for his play
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: at LSU. Oh no, it was just madhouse. It was
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: just madhouse guys starting in the NFL as an undrafted
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: free agent two years in a row.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: By the way, Oh that put me in a bad movie.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, yep, yep.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll try to find some good in what happened
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: yesterday in Sofi Stadium when we come back here on
• 31:40
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Tigers turn talkers, this is off the bench, all right,
• 33:43
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• 33:44
  Speaker 3: And oh TB one oh four five, ESPN Ben.
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  Speaker 2: Rouge all right.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, we gotta say something nice about the Saints.
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  Speaker 5: Kidding uniforms so good they wore the right pants. They
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: wore the pants you're supposed to wear on the road.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Were the gold pants.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: So yes, Spencer Rayler drawed back on his first pass, Spence,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: guess throw it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Where checked down?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Bye bye, went through his reads, perfect, reed, check down, back,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: got out, stay on schedule.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, like there was there's three or four throws
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: for Spencer. I was like, all right, all right, that's
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: a big throw. That's a that's a.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Looks really good. Yeah he look, he looked very comfortable, look,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: very poised. Read the read the defense. Well, I don't
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: think he made a bad read or bad decision. The
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I think he made one bad throw through behind a
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: gown on a slant round. Okay, whoop, big whoop. But
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: he looked very poised.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Look.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Look, and I watch a quarterback. When we kind of
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: talked about how we should evaluate quarterbacks and which you
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: look for, things like that offense looks smooth. There's a
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: lot happened that first offense pre snap. There's a lot
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: happening with ships, a lot happened in motions. You have
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: to have a guy that is understands that. And so
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the operationally, like we discussed last week, operationally, I thought
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Spencer looked really good. That's getting everybody in the right position.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: You know, not a lot of pre snap penalties. There's
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: nothing that looked a mess. It looked like it looked concise.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: They pretty much ran similar formation and similar motions on
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: most of their plays when Spencer was in there, Like
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: they had they had they had a plan, They had
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a plan of attack, and they were gonna give them
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: pretty much similar looks and run multiple different running plays
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and pass plays variations off that off those looks. But yeah,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I thought he looked well. I thought he looked good.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I really did. He threw the ball well. It didn't
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: seem like too big for him, He wasn't pressing, spun
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the ball well, went through his reads. I think it
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: was the first play of the game where they dropped
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: back and they ran like a two by two I
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: can all go hinge type of situation and back got out,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: went through his reads. They got too high shell. Nobody
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: was there where the side that he chose to work
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: based on the pre snap coverage, there is nobody there.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Moved his feet, stayed poised, hit the check down. I
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: think got seven eight yards. So stay on schedule. Perfect,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: That's that's what I saw and that's the biggest takeaway
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: for me. That's how you evaluate the quarterback in a
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: preseason is what they do when all the goods are
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: out there. It's not what they really do in the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: second half. I don't think that means as much right now.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: You have to take care of business like Shuck had
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: to do what he did, because it's if you don't
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: do that, then it's really like it's really bad, but
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: like it's just different football in the second half of
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a preseason game than it is the first half. So
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I thought he handled it well.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: I was excited a couple of other things that I
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: think were positive for the New Orleans Saints because you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: last segment and we obviously pointed out the things that
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: went wrong and that that's gonna be worrisome until we
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: see them again, either in game action or these practices
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: that they might have against the Rams. The past defense
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: looked great. I thought the past defense looked really good.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: I thought the DB's played really well. Some of the
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: defensive linemen had some nice moments. I think that it's
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: a unit that you're trying to get some young guys
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: to be able to step up to give you some
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: real depth there because you do have some older players
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: that are gonna be in your starting unit. I thought
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Danny Stutsman looked great. I thought in coverage, Danny Stutsman
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: looked great. And look, I wasn't really sure. I like
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: he's kind of an old school neck role wearing meat
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: head linebacker, which I love. But I was like, Okay,
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: well he's gonna be a run stuff or he's gonna
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: know that guy's athletic. He was great in coverage yesterday
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: at the linebacker position. He's gonna help. He's gonna help
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: this year. And I'm not wishing injury on anybody, but
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: the Saints have had some linebackers, mainly Pete Warner, who
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: have been in and out of the lineup, and Pete's
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: kind of like Sean Lee used to be, Like Pete
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: knows one speed in his he kind of fails him
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: because of it. But like Danny Setzman is going to
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: play some meaningful downs for the Saints. And so when
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: you look at the Chargers yesterday, I mean, they've got
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: a playoff quarterback in there, and heinike like he's played
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: playoff games and went toe to toe with Tom Brady
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: and almost beat him.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: In the playoffs.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Okay, so he's not the best quarterback, but he's a
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: you know, air quote backup. Had started a playoff game, okay,
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: and he looked bad yesterday. Now, Trey Lance, that's a
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: little bit different. You know, he had some great plays
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: with his legs. His arm is the reason he's not
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: a starting quarterback even after being a top three pick.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: But still there was nowhere to throw the football, so
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: that is encouraging. Like the Saints defense actually did some
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: nice things. Yards per pass for the Chargers only four
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: point three. I mean they did a little bit on
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: the ground. Chargers had thirty four carries one hundred and
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: forty eight yards for zero point four.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Yards per carry.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: You did, you did okay ish on down, But the
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: defense was really the only place that you can look
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: and pick up some real positives from like position groups,
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: like the defensive backs, like as a whole, I thought
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: they had a nice day. There was some spots on
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: the defensive line that had nice day. Isaiah Foski still
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: doesn't give me anything. And you're hoping he's out there
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: starting the game. You're hoping he'd give you something. Still
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: don't see it. But if you want me to pick
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: a positive the defensive back room, which had some question
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: marks still does they played pretty well?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah? The what they score? What was the score at halftime?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Nine three, nine to three.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I I watched a little bit of the defense.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I know it's got some QB energy here on the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: side of the table. I kind of kind of watched
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of the offense. But what happened when I
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: did watch nothing stuck out to me on defense, which
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: is a good thing. Yeah, Like, there wasn't any glaring gaps,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: there were any glaring mistakes and anything like that. I saw.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I saw a good, hard defense. And I think that
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the offense in the run game in alignment looks so
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: bad that the defense does stick out as the most
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: positive thing. So, I mean, especially with a defensive backfield
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: that got a huge shake up right before training camp
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: with Tyre Matthew retiring, but they played their tails off.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, a lot to be positive about on that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, the offense and not the struggles,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: how much stock do you put into that? It was
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the Chargers second game versus Saints' first game, A little
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: bit different game speed, maybe a little bit different, maybe
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit more callous, a little bit an extra
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: week of camp as well. Yeah, maybe just playing a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: little half step faster.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, physicality is going to be probably right a little bit.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, in the NFL, your professionals, it shouldn't
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: make that big of a difference, but.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Not as much as it did. But it's probably something
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: a little.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Too that you think. So we'll juice it though, maybe
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I hope. Yeah, let's be positive. Yeah, absolutely, I mean
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it was just guys, it was a Chargers second game.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Of course they're going to be better than this.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it matters how many games the
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: opponent played when you don't take a kick step, but yeah,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: I mean to your point, the physicality of it, maybe
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: maybe so. But again, like the Saints defensive backs, that certainly,
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: to me was the most positive thing if you're a
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Saints fan that you can take away from that game.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: Jalen Ford also had a good game after having some
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: really good practices this week, linebacker from Texas.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Again, like it's a room that's you.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Know, kind of established and you kind of know who
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: the starters are going to be. But that's somebody that
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: I thought had a really good game as well. So linebackers,
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: defensive backs certainly passing grades. Defensive line a little bit
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: of a mixed bag, but definitely felt better about the
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: defense than we did the offense. And remember a new
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: defense coordinator as well, so like it's only in theory
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: going to get better as you have more reps together.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Brandon Staley, who was the try Archer's head coach, is
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: now your defensive coordinator. So kulaim Kinstry also had a
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: couple of nice It wasn't a lot. It's probably about
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: ten plays, but he flashed to me once or twice.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, golf clap for the defense. Well, golf clap.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: All right, we'll take our last break of hour number one.
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  Speaker 5: Right, welcome back to GANOTB one h four five, ESPN
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• 44:21
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  Speaker 5: in the OTB preseason Top twenty five. So kind of
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: closing thoughts real quick here. For the Saints game was bad.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: There was things that should not have happened with veteran
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: players that did. But if you can find a way
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: to practice against the LA Rams this week and you
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: don't do it, that's very disappointing. And I think you're
• 44:49
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• 45:50
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