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The Differences Between Bomohs and Tangkis · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: The moment I stood up, I wanted to open the door, right?
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  Speaker 1: So the doors closed.
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  Speaker 1: I saw
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  Speaker 1: He
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  Speaker 1: I saw her staring into my face, doing this.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Bell.
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  Speaker 2: My name is. My name is Wayne. My name is Kyle,
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  Speaker 2: and this is Tales from Incredible Tales inspired by the
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  Speaker 2: classic Mediacorp series. Our guest for this episode is Belle Chua.
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  Speaker 2: Belle is an actress and MC who has appeared in
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  Speaker 2: television shows like Point of Entry and Matamata.
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  Speaker 2: And as she describes herself, was the crying girl in
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  Speaker 2: Jack New's Our Girls Go Army. Bell, welcome to the show. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: it's an honor to be here. Hello everybody.
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  Speaker 2: you here as well. You don't be this ghost stories
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  Speaker 2: is damn
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  Speaker 2: creepy.
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  Speaker 1: Fortunately, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're happy to hear the stories all the time,
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  Speaker 2: but for you
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad that you know somehow it comes back as
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  Speaker 1: a leverage for me as well. Unfortunately, unfortunately during that
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  Speaker 1: point of time.
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  Speaker 2: It's a key selling point. Tonight we discussed a group
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  Speaker 2: of people who serve as bridges between our and the
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  Speaker 2: supernatural realms.
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  Speaker 2: Boos and tangy. This episode's topic is inspired by the
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  Speaker 2: original Incredible Tales episode, Hantu Raya. Bomo quite literally translates
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  Speaker 2: to shaman. An article we read explains that bomos are
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  Speaker 2: essentially people that treat physical ailments and illnesses as well
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  Speaker 2: as spirit possessions. So some more specialize in treating victims
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  Speaker 2: of sorcery as well. Tanki is Hokkien for spirit medium.
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  Speaker 2: They serve as vessels for gods, spirits, and deities. When possessed,
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  Speaker 2: aanki is regarded as an incarnated god.
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  Speaker 2: Takis can also cure illnesses by driving out disease-causing demons
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  Speaker 2: from an afflicted person. So there's this common thread here
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  Speaker 2: of bomos and tangys dealing not just with the supernatural,
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  Speaker 2: but with like physical diseases as well. Why do you
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  Speaker 2: guys think that there's that connection? I honestly have no idea,
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  Speaker 2: but I do, I I I I do hear sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that people go to visit like Bomos or not,
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  Speaker 2: not really particularlyOO, like more like uh alternative, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like your stars and stuff like that, right, to, to,
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  Speaker 2: to get.
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  Speaker 2: The sickness cure or or their diseases cured, you know,
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  Speaker 2: stuff like cancer, you know, I've heard of people not
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  Speaker 2: going for chemo, but they went for like alternative um
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  Speaker 2: medication and it actually
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  Speaker 2: works.
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  Speaker 1: For me, right, apart from like diseases, I think I've
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  Speaker 1: ever heard of um like when people are facing aches
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  Speaker 1: from their body that doesn't go away or if they
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  Speaker 1: can't actually walk properly and then after a visit to
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  Speaker 1: a temple or like to a medium and then after
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  Speaker 1: like receiving a talisman.
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  Speaker 1: And um, you know, rubbing it on that that that
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  Speaker 1: that area that hurts and whatever and then they feel
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  Speaker 1: better in
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  Speaker 2: my belief right usually like for example if there's body aches, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you suddenly feel feel your shoulder is like
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  Speaker 2: very heavy and whatnot, usually, uh, if you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: like spirits or entities, right, usually something is hanging on
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  Speaker 2: to it, you know, shuttle, yeah, shuttle, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: oh picture then see on you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we always have, we always have this joke la with, uh,
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  Speaker 2: with one of our crew members on his neck always
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  Speaker 2: pain and then one of the crew will say go
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  Speaker 2: see on you, la, because you always hang out late
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  Speaker 2: at night and then the ghosts come and see on
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  Speaker 2: your leg. But sometimes, sometimes it's, it's like purely it's
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  Speaker 2: your body, you know, is sick. But then sometimes it
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  Speaker 2: may be, you know, those entities, you know, hanging on
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  Speaker 2: to it, you know, you never know, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you went for like a a horror shoot, then you
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  Speaker 2: go to some Kara's uncle place, right, and then right
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  Speaker 2: now la.
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  Speaker 2: Oh great. But I think, I think for, for bomos, right,
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  Speaker 2: bomos are usually, in my opinion, they are mostly, I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't say the bad one, but they mostly meddle with
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  Speaker 2: black magic from this is to my understanding, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's different from your typical U stars. So stars, they usually,
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  Speaker 2: you know, use um prayers or like uh lines from
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  Speaker 2: you know Quran and whatnot, right? But for this bomo,
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  Speaker 2: they usually have like um.
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  Speaker 2: A different way of dealing with things, if you get
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah, yeah. I mean, uh, I, I
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  Speaker 2: do have quite a few friends who, who, who, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: volunteer at the temple and I've seen likeankis working firsthand lah.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually quite amazing when uh they, they get possessed
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  Speaker 2: all the deities enter their body.
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  Speaker 2: Um, one way to display that is that they, they,
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  Speaker 2: they cut themselves like, like they, they will pierce their mouths,
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  Speaker 2: and there's no blood, there's no pain, uh, they were
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  Speaker 2: down like, uh, like depending on the deity like specific
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  Speaker 2: deities are that are known to drink hard liquor, they
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  Speaker 2: were down like an entire bottle of Mattel.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: or like sticks at one
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  Speaker 2: time, like, like not the usual cigarettes are like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like a specific uh brand that is very strong and
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  Speaker 2: they will smoke it, then, uh, yeah, you, you, you,
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  Speaker 2: you would think that it's not humanly possible. Yeah, especially the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the body, the body cutting part is to show that they.
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  Speaker 2: They are invulnerable to human harm.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, OK, uh, I need to be honest here. I've
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  Speaker 1: dated someone who is a tanky before, and I think
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  Speaker 1: what Kyle mentioned was quite accurate because, uh, there were
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  Speaker 1: instances where he had to actually like pierce through.
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  Speaker 1: The site and then um it's true that there's no
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  Speaker 1: blood and then there are times where you see, see
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  Speaker 1: them um with this ball with a lot of spikes
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  Speaker 1: and then they will just like wet their backs. So
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  Speaker 1: that one will have blood, but turns out I think
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  Speaker 1: it's not that painful. I think like way before they
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  Speaker 1: do this in this ritual, right, they are asked to
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  Speaker 1: eat clean. So somehow that helps them to not feel
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  Speaker 1: so
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  Speaker 2: you have to
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  Speaker 2: prepare.
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  Speaker 2: Body for the DA's arrival and I have friends who
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  Speaker 2: do that like leading up to the the trans right
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  Speaker 2: maybe like a week or more than a week they
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  Speaker 2: have to be vegetarian. Oh this is like uh it's
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  Speaker 2: similar to Kuda Kiang you guys oh, OK, yeah, your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts must be Kuda kiang, uh, explain, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: there's this Malay, I think it's Jawu like Java, yeah
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  Speaker 2: yeah
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  Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, so, so usually the.
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  Speaker 2: tend to eat glass, you know, when, when they are
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  Speaker 2: in the trance, right, they will eat glass, they will
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  Speaker 2: hurt themselves, but they don't feel any pain. It's because
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  Speaker 2: it's because, uh, they are not them, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: showcase their power something something goes inside their body. I
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  Speaker 2: love how you ask, and then all you had to
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  Speaker 2: do was and you were like, I know exactly because
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  Speaker 2: of TikTok. No, actually, actually because told me stories about
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  Speaker 2: I know his story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah. So I think one of the, the more scarier
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  Speaker 1: ones that I've seen before was that not only they
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  Speaker 1: were piercing like the the like arrows, they were they
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  Speaker 1: pierced through like chains. I have ever seen before. Not
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  Speaker 1: only that, but they had to do this. They were
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  Speaker 1: pulling like left and right.
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  Speaker 2: So, so I've seen it firsthand because I was doing
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  Speaker 2: a documentary photography of the event. I got like unlimited
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  Speaker 2: access to photograph the whole thing, which is like you
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  Speaker 2: never say no to that, right?
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  Speaker 2: So I went and then I was like shocked because
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  Speaker 2: the guy literally just pierced it and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that was it. I was photographing it, that was it.
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  Speaker 2: Then he started pulling.
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  Speaker 2: Like a like that like forcing the mouths, yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate flaws. There was no blood. I was like there
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  Speaker 2: should be blood, but there's no blood. It it's really, uh,
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  Speaker 2: amazing lah when you see
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  Speaker 1: that. Can you imagine if they pull this
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  Speaker 2: way,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, so, so, um.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, it's, it's a way to establish their power, but
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  Speaker 2: on the topic of like, you know, diseases, right, uh, I,
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  Speaker 2: I do have family members, uh, who are who are sick,
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  Speaker 2: and these are usually the elderlies then they, they request
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  Speaker 2: to go and see the donkeys. They're like, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like the modern medicine is not helping. Uh, I think
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  Speaker 2: something dirty because, you know, elderly, they always think that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: maybe this one is dirty la someone do something to
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  Speaker 2: me or what.
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  Speaker 2: Then they're like, I, I, I need to seek higher power, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and then I, I accompanied, uh, and it was specifically
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  Speaker 2: for this deity called the Tope which they, they basically, uh,
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  Speaker 2: they are like the health police. They, they protect the underworld. They, they,
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  Speaker 2: they go and catch spirits on that, so they are,
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  Speaker 2: they are very, uh, powerful in terms of like.
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  Speaker 2: Um, containing spirits that are, that are running around. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the legend is that when you know, they like when
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  Speaker 2: someone is about to pass, you hear the chains that
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  Speaker 2: are brought by them. So they are the ones that
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  Speaker 2: bring you kind of like a grim reaper, but there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of people who are actually there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people in Singapore who are very
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  Speaker 2: Devote to these two deities. So you went to one
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  Speaker 2: temple and at night because it's the underworld. So they
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  Speaker 2: have the chance and then you go in the temple,
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  Speaker 2: it's at the backside of the temple because it's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to represent the underworld, right, like the Alar usually is
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  Speaker 2: quite dark one at night very creepy yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Then there are the channel, then the person come, then
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  Speaker 2: they will usually sing a specific Hokkien song like uh
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  Speaker 2: like to channel that that the deity and then it's
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  Speaker 2: very creepy because it sounds like ghost because this this
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  Speaker 2: deity is supposed to catch ghost on so it's it's
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  Speaker 2: creepy la and then uh I, I can see la
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  Speaker 2: like the the the deities.
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  Speaker 2: Don't need to worry, aunty, like you just enjoy life.
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  Speaker 2: There's no spirit with you. I checked already, and he's
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  Speaker 2: like doing his thing like the deity like I look
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  Speaker 2: at the books and no spirits. So sometimes, right, it's
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  Speaker 2: not really about curing the disease. It's about ensuring reassuring
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  Speaker 2: the people that you're OK, there's no spirits or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I, I, before I went, I knew like probably
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  Speaker 2: nothing la, probably nothing, but like it's good to have
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  Speaker 2: a second opinion. Yeah, is he,
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  Speaker 1: actually speaking of the hepai Wuchang, right, uh, apart from
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  Speaker 1: just guarding like hell and like guarding it from like protection.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, they, they're saying that, uh, if you see the
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  Speaker 1: because there's one white and one black, if you see
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  Speaker 1: the white one, you may actually strike lottery or something.
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  Speaker 1: Chinese it says and i.
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  Speaker 2: I'm scared to ask what happens if you see the
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  Speaker 2: black
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  Speaker 2: one.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, well, nothing much. I think, OK, I have encountered
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  Speaker 1: the both of them before. They are actually really nice. OK,
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  Speaker 1: when they, when they talk, I mean, even though you
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  Speaker 1: don't understand, right, their behavior makes you feel like a grandfather.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are very nurturing.
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  Speaker 2: So weirdly enough.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but like Kyle mentioned earlier on when he was
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  Speaker 1: talking about the chains, they send goosebumps to me again
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  Speaker 1: because I had an experience with uh the Haipai Wu
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  Speaker 1: Chang coming to my place because it was haunted, and
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  Speaker 1: then we we needed like higher power to to try
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  Speaker 1: to like tame it down. The moment he mentioned about
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  Speaker 1: the chains, right, it reminded me of how they entered because, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that day when we invited them, right, it was obviously
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  Speaker 1: at night again.
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  Speaker 1: And then um we were asked to like switch off
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  Speaker 1: all the lights and then uh seal up all the
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  Speaker 1: The mirrors and then open up all the drawers to
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  Speaker 1: make sure there's no way to escape. Yeah, so, so,
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  Speaker 1: so then after that, because we were waiting for him
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  Speaker 1: to arrive, right, I remember the very moment when he arrived,
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  Speaker 1: I could hear the chains first and the chants of
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  Speaker 1: the song that accompanied him over like from the the
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  Speaker 1: the long stretch,
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  Speaker 2: but they are carrying the chains
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  Speaker 1: some holding chains, some holding the there's this thing,
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  Speaker 2: and this is true.
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  Speaker 2: Tangy or is it OK
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  Speaker 1: if it's a,
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  Speaker 2: yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was like yeah
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  Speaker 2: that
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  Speaker 2: would not be a good thing. OK, this may sound
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  Speaker 2: like a very stupid question, but I'm genuinely curious. So
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  Speaker 2: hepai Wuang, there's two, the white and the black. Does
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  Speaker 2: that mean that there needs to be 2 tangy or
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  Speaker 2: one tangy 2, right? 2 for 1 each la. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but sometimes you can have one only, la, like depending
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  Speaker 2: on you want the black or the white one, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's.
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  Speaker 1: They can, uh, debut solo. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they can do it solo, but usually they are in
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  Speaker 2: a pair because they are like they're basically partners police
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  Speaker 2: are partners. So, so, so there's 21 white and one black.
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  Speaker 2: So the white one do it and then the black
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  Speaker 2: one do it, uh, I think that they have different
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  Speaker 2: rules in a sense like one is fiercer, which one
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  Speaker 2: is fiercer? The black one is the black one is fiercer.
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  Speaker 2: Like he's like more fierce la, whereas the white one
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  Speaker 2: is a bit more like wise.
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  Speaker 2: It's like good cop bad cop like that. It was
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  Speaker 2: just about to say. I mean, I'm so sorry. I'm no, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's a question. OK, yeah, one is fiercer. Why is
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  Speaker 2: not not as fierce like, like, for example, I have
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  Speaker 2: friends who tell me like that you don't mess around
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  Speaker 2: with the black one. You mess around the, the, the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the black one, it will scold you or guaree one
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  Speaker 2: because they are, they speak in Hokkien, yeah, yeah, uh,
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  Speaker 2: apparently the deities that that that the two deities is
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  Speaker 2: specifically in Singapore. Most of them speak in Hokkien and
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  Speaker 2: they will scold you because you don't mess with them
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  Speaker 2: lah like.
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  Speaker 2: strict like discipline master the white one will like maybe
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  Speaker 2: crack jokes with you a bit more
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  Speaker 1: chill
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  Speaker 2: is different personality. This is the first time I'm hearing
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  Speaker 2: about this and uh I
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  Speaker 1: have an experience to share though. I was lucky that
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  Speaker 1: it was the the white one because uh there was
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  Speaker 1: a time because after I dated the there's ay, right?
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  Speaker 1: I was hanging out with a friend and then I
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  Speaker 1: was at my friend's place and I was just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, chilling, and then I keep hearing like
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  Speaker 1: Music, sound of music. Then I thought it was my phone.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a ring tone, but every time
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  Speaker 1: I opened the door to see my phone there, right,
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  Speaker 1: it was just just lying there, you know, there's nobody calling,
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  Speaker 1: no sound, no radio, no TV. It's just the both
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  Speaker 1: of us just talking, having dinner together, and then I
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  Speaker 1: keep hearing people like in my ears, like in my ears,
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  Speaker 1: and I keep feeling like, is there something playing around,
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  Speaker 1: and I keep checking like, OK, no music, no radio,
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  Speaker 1: no TV, not my phone, not my friend's phone.
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  Speaker 1: And then after that, uh, I think towards the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day before I left my friend's place, I
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  Speaker 1: received a call from my ex's mother. So I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking like how, why, why would she call me, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I picked up and then she was asking me like,
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  Speaker 1: where are you? I said, I'm at my friend's place.
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  Speaker 1: And then she said, Oh my son was actually having
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  Speaker 1: a meditation session and um he was supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: communicating with another deity.
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  Speaker 1: But then that white hei by Wu Chang came to
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  Speaker 1: him instead and had a message for me and I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking, me? Uh yeah, so, so, uh, essentially what
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  Speaker 1: my ex-boyfriend's mom said was that um the message was, OK, so.
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  Speaker 1: My the deity that I'm praying at home and worshiping
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  Speaker 1: to at home as well as the toape, which is
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  Speaker 1: the white one, was just talking to my ears in
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  Speaker 1: my ears and asking me to go in and just
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  Speaker 1: be more sensible, don't misbehave if I continue to misbehave,
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  Speaker 1: they will not like take care of me anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I see what you mean when you say they're very,
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  Speaker 1: very wise, yeah, grandfather, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and there was a time I think he I think
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to hit me, but it was very, very light.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a fan and then he was just
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  Speaker 1: asking me to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, more quiet that's why. So for
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  Speaker 2: for for this white and black, right, is there like
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  Speaker 2: a different, uh, how do you say this? Is there
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  Speaker 2: like a different way of curing things, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: a different way of praying for, for example. So let's
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  Speaker 2: say you have, if you have a problem, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then you ask them for help.
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  Speaker 2: Mostly their their ways are the same, right? So they
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  Speaker 2: will get into trance and then you know they will
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  Speaker 2: talk to you and stuff like that. So I think
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  Speaker 2: for for Bomos, right, the difference, right, is, I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for Bomo, for those who for our viewers,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I think there's different names. There's Bomo, there's pawang, there's Dukun,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: and I think all three of these are mostly the
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: same thing. They usually like meddle with.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, bad spirits and whatnot. So I think, I think you,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: if you guys watch uh like Malay horror movies, right,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: usually there's one who star, then he will recite some prayers, right?
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: For Bomos, they are a little bit different. So there's this, um,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I've read this story before. So this sender sent to
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: to to my show and then he, he told like
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: when he was younger, he used to watch his grandfather, um.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Grandfather doing rituals for people to trying to cure people.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I think this is more, right, because his way is
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: a bit different. So imagine, so I'm sick, then I
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: go to you, right? So before I go to you,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I will have like some rituals like I would have
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: like feast. So I converse, right? Ma converse, and then
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: that night itself, the person will come, right, the person
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: will come. I will come to you lah. I'm the
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: sick one, I will come to you. So I have
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: to lie down, I lay down.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: So, his uh late grandfather, right?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Got an assistant, which is her her wife, his wife,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the grandmother, lah. So the grandmother would count, you know, um, rice,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: it's a puffy rice, you know, uh, uncooked puffy rice
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: is the very thick, thick one. In Malay it's called vertebras, right?
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So it will count, they will count the amount. So
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: if it's odd right, must be even. So they will
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: keep on counting once the the amount of uh rice
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: is even.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Then they will move on to the next phase, right?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: So the next phase is obviously they have, um, you know, uh,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Penya Puliddi, you know, you know, you know, there's this broom,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: brown color. It's not like, not, not your typical household broom.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: It's like the pointy, pointy one, the sticks like like
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: a bunch of sticks together, right? So he will take that,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: and he will like, um, beat himself first, he will
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: beat himself first, and then he will beat from head
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to toe. I don't know why the orientation is like that,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: so they will beat the the person from head to toe.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: And then they will have conversation with supposedly the demon
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: or or the spirit inside the body like who are you,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: you know what, what do you want from this person,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: you know, like, and usually they will answer like Aurasine
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Pasarakunaka maluk Adam, you know, something like that, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: so they are there, you know, to disturb this person
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: or usually it's like people send one, you know, people
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not happy with you. I go send, send it
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to you and stuff like that so.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, they will have this conversation and then they will
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: negotiate like you get out of the place, you get
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: out of his body and whatnot, right? And then they will, OK,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: do you know flour, if you mix flour with water, right,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: it will become like a dough, right? So they take
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the dough from head to toe the orientation again is
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: from head to toe. Head to toe, they will roll
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the thing, right, until to the end of the toe, right,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the grandfather sucked the toe.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: The grandfather sucked the toe and then I think he
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: spit it on on the dough if I'm not wrong.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I think he spit it on the toe or or
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: another like um like uh bull, right? So when they
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: open up the door right right after the end of
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the ritual, right, when he opened up the door, right,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: suddenly there's an egg. So yeah, so, so inside the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: egg there's like, um, you know, rusty nails.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Um, all those like bad bad things and apparently those
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: those things resembles whatever that has been sent to the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: person that was sick. So, so those are one of
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the ways like BOO uh help people in a way.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And the reason why I say that, you know, like
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I myself, not that I don't believe in them, just
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: that it's not right for me to believe in them.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: It's because it's different, it's different from, you know, for
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: me in my religion, we have to believe in.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, those old starts, you know, uh, coming
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: from our, uh, books and whatnot, right? So
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: yeah, that's like black magic, right? And I think, you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: when we were young, not anymore now, we used to
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: hear stories like that also like how donkeys, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: sometimes they have like sessions and then they, they, they
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: take an egg and then somehow they are able to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: draw out nails. But how is it that there are
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: nails in the body?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. How did you get there?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing, that's the thing that's the, that's
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the amazing part la. And if you realize, right, even for,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: for the Chinese side when they do reaches, sometimes they
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: do also use eggs. egg seems to be like a
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: popular ingredient, like, like a tool for, for the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: bruises,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: yeah, for bruises, yeah, so you, you rub the egg
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: on the bruise, is it? Yeah, and then you will
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: you will help,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you help or something
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: or, uh, there's one is like, uh, for heatiness.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: So they take the hard boiled egg, then they rub
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it on your body like to remove the heat, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: like hey like fever, try to help. So apparently it works.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: It does more TCM la yeah but why egg I
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: don't know, something inside the egg la, some element inside
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the egg that is able to transmute the energy,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and then they say you cannot eat that egg.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: gonna eat egg I try la I cannot stop. I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: say the egg looks tasty. You actually try to eat egg.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I tried to eat the egg or scolded.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: OK, wait, was this after they took out the heatiness from? Yeah,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: so they rubbed the egg on your body, then you're like, no,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't like, obviously it wasn't like a peeled egg.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: It was a hard boiled egg inside the shell. Then
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I was like myself, right? I was like, no, but
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: if you eat the egg, the, the heat, he didn't
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: go back in like you should throw it away and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I love your practical mindedness. Don't waste food. Yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: don't waste food, la. Yeah, but yeah, if you tell
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: me don't eat, then of course I won't eat lah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I've, I've spoken to like psychologists and everything,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: and they say that when you are having, if you're
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: feeling stressed or if you're having like a, a mental
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: health condition or anything like that, it can manifest in
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: physical pain, physical discomfort at the very least. So and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: there's no, there's no actual like way for me to
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: like tie this to the spiritual or anything, so I'm
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: not going to, but it's quite interesting that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: You know, if we look at the spiritual side of things,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: it manifests as pain or aches and even psychological side
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: of things manifests which just to me, all, all the
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: point I'm getting across is it's amazing how your body
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: can react to these kind of things. So yeah. Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: actually, as a matter of fact, I've heard this a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: lot of times before, not only about diseases and like
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: body aches and everything.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Ah, it was said that when hakis become hankys, it's
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: because they are chosen because their lives are supposed to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: be shorter, and by doing these tangy work, right, they
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: are actually accumulating merits so they can actually have a
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: longer lifespan.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: For what I heard, they are chosen by the gods, uh,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: is a few reasons, maybe the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: The it's a lineage thing, so it's like the grandfather,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: the father, then pass on. There's no choice. Another, it
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: could be a curse, like there was a promise made
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: to a deity by maybe someone in the family or
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the person himself, and then it was not for you.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: So then the said, OK, then you're going to serve me,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you have to serve me.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Uh, then I think the last one is more like, uh,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you're born with it. So there's this thing called the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: sunku means that you have a bone in your body
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: which is that belongs to the god that is suitable
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: for the deities to use and they will ask, they
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: will call you to service. If you don't, uh, then
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: this is the things that will happen to you like
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: maybe your business is not good, your fortune not good.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Your health is not good, not good. They will make
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you turn to them, yeah, or you can that you
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: can negotiate, uh, but you need to exchange some some things.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: You cannot defy the will of the gods in in
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: in that realm. Yeah. So how do they know they
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: are the chosen one? So like you said, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: usually it starts with the eye.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Um, my ex is, I think, born with it, like
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: he was able to see spirits from a young age.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And then it was also in the family line in
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a sense, like even though like his father wasn't doing it,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: but his family was always like helping around, um, you know, the,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the temple, and then, um, apparently you can actually negotiate
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: when you enter into this business. Like I, I don't
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: want to do it now because I'm studying, but perhaps
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: after I turn 18, something like that
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: can be negotiated. OK, OK. But of course there's a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: ritual that you need to do all of that.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but, uh, the one thing that I heard from
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: my friends who are doing, they're like, you don't need
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to worry, like if you get chosen for this life, right,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: but they will take care of you, so long as you, you,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you do your job you do your duty because the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: whole point of taking on that, you know, that mediumship right,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: is to help people because they fight against the forces
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of evil.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can I just say I love that, um, you
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: can negotiate when you're gonna be like national service deferment
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I need to go to university first, then I come
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: back and you don't send you burn
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: for me for me I think,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I think for bomo, right, usually they are, uh, real
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: bomos really practicing bomos, and then there are some fake
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: bomos as well. So I would like to ask, like,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: for ties, is there, you know, such thing as like
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: people pretending to be a toy, but they are actually not.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean you are shaking
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: your head, you're nodding your head very vigorously. I mean, every,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: every religion, every job there is always bad apples. So I'm, yeah, I'm,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I'm for sure definitely fix on.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: so people who ask for
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: money.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I mean, yeah, because people believe, right? Yeah, yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: so yeah, definitely.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Because, uh, I think generally, I'm not too sure how
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: accurate this is, this is just based on my own perspective, right? Uh,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: generally they, they work with their eyes closed all the time. Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: So those who like
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: They just look a little bit unnatural, then more than
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: often if you observe observe them long enough, right, they are,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: they're not real ones. And then you will hear, oh yeah, they,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they always ask for money.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: It give me money first, then I do this job
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: for you. And now just picturing a fake y doing
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a terrible job and then he's like, um, yeah,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: something like that or like they will play along with like.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Um, how, how they ask you questions and then how
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: they actually give you a statement, right? Ah, this, ah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: is it, this, this is happening around your house? Is this?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And then they will like eliminate like the possibilities and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: then talk to you like a mentalist
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: like that. They they are like very unsure of things
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: as well. I think I think for for Malay community
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: like for these mos.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Pao and Lukun also we have, you know, those sort
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: of people, you know, in the, in the community as well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: so yeah, the bad apples, lah
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: for sure. I think what, uh, one experience that made
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: me believe was that, uh, because my previous flat was haunted, right?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And when we first went to um
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Visit the the deity, I mean the medium, and we
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: actually had to write down our address for him and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the next thing he did was he did this.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: He was literally visiting my house and then the next
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: sentence he said was, Oh, there are mirrors right in
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: front of the door.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: So like there's these two mirrors facing the the main door.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: How he has never visited, has never seen photos of it,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: never came to my house. We are not friends. This
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: is just my referral. No other people around him have
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: went to my house before.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was amazing to me, lah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a pretty good way to verify that
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: he's real. I've done an entire tour of your house
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: without ever visiting. OK, OK,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: OK. Yes, I mean, I will definitely be skeptical at first,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like stop cheating my money and stop like trying to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: scare people, but the first thing he said was the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: how my house looked like.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I am buying it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: A
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: paper we read described a tangy as, quote, a being
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: of pure yang energy unblemished by sexual relations with a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: yin female, even though the mortal medium may be married,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: end quote, which means that tangkis can have relationships.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Belle, we've talked about it a little bit. So could
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: you tell us about, like, you know, when, when you
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: were with, uh, you were dating a donkey at one point,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: was it like? Did he have any stories? Do you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: have any stories from that time? Well,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I do have stories. I shared a little bit about
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: how my previous.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Like I was haunted, and I think you're right, so
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: they are able to have like relationships, but just that, um,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I think like perhaps a week or so before any
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: important ritual, they will have to stay away from like
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the yin energy. You can't even hold hands, you can't
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: even touch the person and the person has to eat
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: clean la and then like meditate and stuff like that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: So how I met him was, um, well, obviously because
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: my flat was haunted. Obviously, obviously. So after the first
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: visit to the the medium, right, they came to our
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: house to um sort of capture the spirit lah. So, uh,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: before they even came over, I was asked to, I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: was asked to, how do I say this, avoid eye
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: contact if uh the the spirit become present, like physically present,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I can actually see it, just avoid eye contact.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So what happened was, again, like I mentioned, we had
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to block out all the mirrors, open up every single door, wardrobe, yeah, and,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and when they visited, uh, we were asked to stand
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: behind him, so he had this table and then with
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: all his like helpers, right, and we had to stand
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: really like at the back. So facing in front of
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the table, there were 3 doors, so 3 rooms.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Mainly, uh, say A, B, and C, right? So, um,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: my ex-boyfriend caught my attention because he was saying something
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: at the back, like way at the back. So I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: was just standing right behind him and then he was saying, oh, yeah,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he's in the room C that spirit and she's like
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: crouching and then the next moment a helper in front,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: just right beside the medium, right, went in with a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: with a talist named burn like burning, and then just
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: putting into room C.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: And then it's just scary when the entire house is dark, cold,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and then when the doors open with the burning tele,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: you can see like shadows and stuff, right? You just
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're seeing sometimes. Yeah, so anyway, he
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: closed the door to room C and then after that,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: shortly after, my ex-boyfriend said, oh, she came out already.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's moving into room B and then the next
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: thing is that the helper went in, they were like
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: a distance away, a distance away. They cannot hear each
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: other at all. The next thing is the helper went
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: into room B to put a talisman again and then
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: room A is the same thing again.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Then I think, uh, apparently the spirit had nowhere to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: run to so she was just sitting right in front
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: in the middle and then they helped the the medium
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: up because it was also to alipe so I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: it was to ape. So, uh, generally they need help
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to stand up. I think their bodies are really quite heavy, uh,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: so they had to stand up and then sit down
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: in front of the spirit and ask us to come
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: forward and that's when I went like, what the.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, they asked us to like hold incense
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: stakes and just um apologize because apparently the spirit stayed
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: there before us and then we were like invading her
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: space over 10 years. Yeah, so we were asked to apologize,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: so we apologize, but before that, um, the medium tried
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to negotiate.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: For her to leave the house and he had this
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: small little coffin with him and he was just saying
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: things that I cannot understand, right? And then to a point,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: there was a point he actually throw the coffin like
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: really far away to to show that like if you
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: don't comply, then I'm going to punish you, yeah, to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: show like the the the stiffness, yeah. And so that
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: was really scary for me, but
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, well, uh, generally after that, everything was OK. Uh,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: they said that uh the spirit was tamed already in
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a small little bottle that we had to find all
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: over Singapore. I cannot find it. It's a hulu, yeah,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: a hulu like this. It's a traditional bottle. Is it
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: brown in color? Correct, and it has to have an opening.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So there are a lot of them that are we
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: found right in like Fortune Center. It's it's all closed,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it cannot be opened and we just cannot, cannot find
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: one with an opening.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh, we, I don't know how, I can't
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: remember because it was so scary, but we managed to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: find one eventually. So until now, right, whenever I pass
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: by like Hulu show complex or like Fortune Center and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I see that Hulu, right, I have PTSD PTSD. Yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: so I don't know why, but they left it on
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the altar after they, uh, contain it in the in
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the in the little Hulu, left it on the altar.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: With like some talisman like drawing at the back.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: But eventually we had to shift out because it was
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: still a little bit haunted la. Yeah, so coming back
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to a little bit more about the story of what
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: happened in the house, well, generally, uh, I think since
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: 9 years old, I experienced sightings. Uh, the very first
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: one was, I was very vain last time with long
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: hair and I just like to comb.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: My hair. And you know, like, um, in the past, right, um,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: wardrobe doors, we have like two doors open and then
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: one side there is a mirror and then the other
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: side doesn't have. So that day, uh, that eventful day,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I just opened one side, the one with the mirror,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of course, so I was just combing my hair and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: then suddenly I spotted a hand from the ground, from
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the floor, right, doing this, yeah, so I did a
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: small wave behind me, uh, in between my legs.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a hand. There was no face,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: there was no anything, it was just a hand. And
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when you see these things, right, it
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: really makes you feel that your mind is just playing
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: tricks on you. You probably saw the wrong thing. But, uh,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: subsequently after that, my brother saw it as well, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: he saw it under the TV. So in the past,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: there was a period of time where uh this thing
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: was a trend where we had like a TV hanging
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: from the ceiling to save space yeah, in the common space, right?
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So we had one, we had one hanging and then
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: he saw it from under the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: The TV as well.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought again I thought he was just
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: playing with me, right? But subsequently there's just too many
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: incidents and then it gets worse over time. From when
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I was 8 all the way to when I was 17,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: there were sightings like shadows, and the shadows were different
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: as well. The shadows were like black. There was a
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: time I saw
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Ah, before I sleep. See, that's the thing, right? They
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: always catch you at a time where you are like
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: most vulnerable, least expected. Um, between my door and then
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: uh the wardrobe door, it went.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Like a black shadow
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: shadow just passed by. So, ah, remember I, I said
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I dated a hay before, right? So, um, after everything
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: was clean, ah, he came over with some other helpers
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that time to just as a way of thanking them,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: we invited them for a meal and everything.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: So the uh so he spoke to me like the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: day after, he said, actually that night I went to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: sleep earlier because I was tired, right? I went to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: bed and then he felt a someone tapping his shoulder
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and then he turned over and then a man in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a songok was waving at
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: him.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, because the previous flat owner was Malays. Yeah, yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: so he only talked to me after that, like, yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: he didn't tell me then, then when I was around
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: 14 as well, you know, when we were very young,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: we have puppy love those guys and stuff like that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: So there was a time I was just lying on
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: bed and um I was dreaming actually. I was dreaming
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: that I was holding hands with this guy, you know,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: my left hand was just holding him. And then after that, uh,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I was a light sleeper, so I, I got woken
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: up by the sound of the main door opening on
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a weekend, which definitely is my mom who came back
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: from the grocery shopping or something. So I'm like, OK,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I haven't opened my eyes at all. So I was thinking, OK, uh,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: mom just came back, alright. What what dream did I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: had earlier on? 00 yeah, I dreamt of myself holding
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the hands of that guy.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And then I realized
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I'm still holding a hand.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: OK, that is so
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: creepy.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And then because right now when I'm saying it it's
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a bit slow, right? At the moment I was thinking
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: because you definitely would think back like what happened like
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: seconds or minutes ago, it was a dream, and now
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I'm still holding a hand, but what's different is that
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: this hand is cold. That hand I had in the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: dream was warm.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And then when I realized that I opened my eyes, well,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: nothing happened fortunately, but I asked myself to not shift
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: my hands at all. I'm just going to bring it
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: up and show it in front of my face, right,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and my hand was like that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I was still like in this position of holding someone's hand.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: There was a night. I was just sitting in my room, uh,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I think probably I was already 17. My cousin was
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: getting married and then uh she said, Hey, why don't you,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you know, sing on my wedding? So I was just
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: thinking of what song to sing. I was just sitting
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: down beside my computer table. It's a very, very small room,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: like 5 steps you can reach the door already. So
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: at about 3 to 4 a.m. in the morning, I
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I need to pee right now. OK,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: so I stood up.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: The moment I stood up, I wanted to open the door, right?
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So the doors closed.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I saw
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: He
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I saw her staring into my face, doing this.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they would always do those kind
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of things.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: This is the moment where I finally understood why they
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: say spirits do not have legs, because indeed beside her
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: was like dark smoky. Yeah, it was quite, yeah, smoky
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: tongue out, eyes standing straight, all white with black long hair,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and it's definitely not imaginary or like I just read
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: a book or something because I just want to pee, yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and she just appeared in front of me.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: And I told myself I'm not going to blink my
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: eyes because now this time round I'm not going to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: tell myself that I saw something wrong. And what if
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I blink my eyes and she just come towards me
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: like that, right? Then I make sure I stared at
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: her to a point where I cannot take it anymore, right?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I blink my eyes, thankfully she's gone. But that was
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the very reason why I told my mom, enough is enough.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not playing around because my mom always thinks that
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I'm playing around because I read too much think about
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: two ghost stories. Yeah.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: So this time I told her I'm not joking at all.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: So that was when she got help, finally.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: This is very interesting because like whatever stories she told, right?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: It sounded like a Malay, you get what I mean,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: so these, these are the kind of stories that you know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Sanders would send me, you know, like you thought your
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: mom is in the kitchen, you know, but actually your
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: mom is sleeping. So I think, I think like, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: then you said previously your house, uh, it was a
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Malay family living in it, right? Well then one Malay
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: ghost lady. It sounded like it sounded like Malays so,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: so I can, I can relate, you know, because I
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: read a lot of these kind of stories, right.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: It might be that the the old owner maybe has
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: maybe has, you know, something something or either he's a
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: practitioner practitioner, correct? Could be la could be, yeah, but
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: that's really creepy, but he goes in line with the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: team la, right? So in the end the y.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: One, right? But do you have, do you have like
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: 3 or 6th
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: sense? I would say that I have in the flat
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I stayed in. Apart from that, I don't think I've
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: seen it before, but I keep feeling or having this
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: kind of experiences.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: This question is for everyone. If a loved one has
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: been showing signs of illness, how many doctors would you
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: see before approaching a BOO or a
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: toy?
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe 3.5 times. 573.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Oh,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Uh, for me, maybe like 55. I believe in medical
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: science la. I think maybe 5 la. If 5 still
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: got something wrong, then yeah, I, I'll probably get some
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: spiritual help lah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I would say 5. I, I, I trust, I trust
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: our local healthcare system. So, you know, also I, I
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: really don't want to visit any kind of spiritual medium
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: because as, as you all say, Wayne starter pack, I'm
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a coward, so to a medium.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Dude, come on.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: She was help
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you bro. But
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: yeah, exactly you were just talking about we just had
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: this entire conversation about how maybe this thing might have
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: rubbed off a little bit on Bell. After that you
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: think I want to go ah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, 5 times.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Cannot then how? Yeah, there we go.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I, I will ask friends if they happen to know
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: of potential alternatives. I will, I will, there will always
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: be like one point of separation between me and whomever
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: else if 5 times, but then it's too late. Why
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: you keep trying.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: OK, you know what
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: mean,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: it's true, you
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: know, 5 times is quite a long time, you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: you never, you never know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: but it's OK. Let me just assure you after the
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: 5th time you can always contact Kyle or
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: myself. You're welcome. I would say twice or thrice, twice
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: or thrice, yeah. Then uh if really cannot open, right,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: you go X-ray, you go do blood tests, then the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the doctor also don't know what's wrong with you, right,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: or what's wrong with my loved one, right.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Then, OK, to starts here I go, something wrong with you.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: OK, I have an experience. I have chronic backache over,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know, 10 years already, and sometimes it gets
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: so bad until a time where I, I remember there
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: was a day I couldn't stand up at all, only
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: until like evening that I can stand up, and that
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: was when I, I decided to go to a medium.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: He offered me like a talisman and asked me to
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: rub it on the area that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Hurts, but I don't think it
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: worked.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Is it like a disc or something? No,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: not. Uh, it's more like what's that called again? Something
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: that scoliosis, something like that,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: we always, always, always know that we can get some
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: good stories out of you, but we have to wrap
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: things up for this episode before we do, Kyle, a
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: morbid facts of the day, please.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: OK, so according to an article, right, a young donkey
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: was very nervous about opening a new carrot cake store,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: which he would mend with his sister. However, he received
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: assurance from a very unlikely source. The donkey said, quote,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I consulted to Ape for advice, and he told me
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: that I didn't have to be afraid, as he would
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: be there to look after everything and that I should
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: go ahead and do it, end quote. Wow, I need
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: to go and
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: See whether there's any follow up to this, to see
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: how the guy's carrot cake store is doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: like I, I'll pass you the address. OK, I'm not,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not really making a joke. I'm just making an observance.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like fated because, you know, carrot cake
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: got black and white, right? Oh my God, and Tope
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: also got black and white. So maybe Tope is like
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: this one on brand. I support you so long as
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you're a good person, right? And then also you can
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: be my medium la, you know, like that kind of
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: thing like.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: So you, you, I sorry, better recognition, I know I
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: got
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: got got eggs. Yes,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: exactly, yes, eggs like what we talked about. OK, I'm
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: quite lost is white, black and white impermanence. Can I
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: just say I love how that joke was so funny.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It was not a joke. No, no, no, I know. OK, OK,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I know how your statement was so unintentionally funny. Our professional.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: had to had to struggle to stifle their laughter. Well done.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Well done. Alright, thank you so much for joining us.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much and thank you to all of
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you for tuning into Tales from Incredible Tales. New episodes
• 44:15
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• 44:21
  Speaker 1: My name is.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: My name is Wayne. My name is Kyle. My name is,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: and we'll see you next time.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Tales from Incredible Tales was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Rae,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and Kyle Ong, with special guest Belle Chua, directed and
• 44:36
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• 44:41
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• 44:47
  Speaker 2: camera operators, Joey Chia, Melvin.
• 44:50
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• 44:56
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• 44:59
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• 45:06
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• 45:11
  Speaker 2: by Jolene Lim.
• 45:13
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• 45:18
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• 45:21
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• 45:25
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• 45:34
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