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Street Farbrengen Episode 132 - Is G-d Your ATM Machine? · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

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SPEAKER_02: You know what I've been noticing?
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SPEAKER_02: That when I first came into the borders of Chabad, the emphasis was Turan mitzvis.
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SPEAKER_02: And maybe it's just the people I'm around.
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SPEAKER_02: Now the emphasis is on what do I get out of it.
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SPEAKER_02: The Hasidis I've noticed in the Chabad outside the Chabad community is having a relationship with outcome.
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SPEAKER_02: If and when I am really close to God, I will have a lot of money.
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SPEAKER_02: God loves me.
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SPEAKER_02: So we have the bumper sticker.
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SPEAKER_02: God loves you.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, I I asked someone last week, so the guy who was murdered in Oshwa's God didn't love, right?
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SPEAKER_02: No, I mean it's like I have a hard time with that.
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SPEAKER_02: But anyways, so well, you know, or the guy who's who's walking around having to schnor his next meal feels that God doesn't love him.
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SPEAKER_02: Are you gonna tell him, No, no, he loves you, he loves you, loves you very much.
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SPEAKER_02: Or is it only when you have, you know, when you when you either have something at stake or when you already have steak to eat that he say he loves you?
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SPEAKER_02: But in any case, so they talk a lot about shafa, flow, and brachas.
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SPEAKER_02: And we've spoken many times about how much how many miles are racked up on um traveling miles to go to Kovorim all over the world so that you will be blessed.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: Blessings are good.
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SPEAKER_02: Blessings are great.
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SPEAKER_02: Blessings are great.
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SPEAKER_02: But uh something in particular stuck struck me this week.
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SPEAKER_02: Someone came to me and asked whether it's called for and even hoped for to be desperate when you talk to God.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I definitely think that uh most people do talk to God only when they feel desperate.
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SPEAKER_00: But I don't know if that's what you meant.
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SPEAKER_02: No, no.
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SPEAKER_02: So, no, that is exactly what the guy meant because that is exactly what's going on.
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SPEAKER_02: The guy was having he was talking to somebody who was having a hard time, and there he was bringing out the Mila of being desperate.
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SPEAKER_02: And he says, Don't you want to don't you supposed to feel desperate when you're standing in front of God?
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SPEAKER_02: You know, you can find lots of wording like that.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: You're nothing, you don't deserve anything, you're just a little speck of dust.
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SPEAKER_02: Why should you know the angel said, Why should I care about your existence?
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: That was uh from Bahar Stinah.
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SPEAKER_02: So maybe desperation is called for.
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SPEAKER_02: So they asked me that.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a go ask groove, you know, like the big Hokem.
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SPEAKER_02: So I so I thought about it, something didn't sit right with me.
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SPEAKER_02: And I said, you know, when you're in front of God, there's absolutely no desperation.
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SPEAKER_02: But if you I didn't say this, but if you think God is like this, you know, southern white judge and you're a black boy that's being charged for some crime, then yeah, you're right.
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SPEAKER_02: You you're desperate.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But God is not real to people, it's a concept.
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SPEAKER_02: So therefore, the concept is if I'm in front of him, I should be desperate.
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SPEAKER_02: But if you feel him and you're in a space of whatever it feels like to be closer to God, do people feel desperate when they go to the Koisa?
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SPEAKER_00: No, but like I said, but if you go in desperation because you need something and everybody you run to the Rebbe That's something else.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, maybe maybe we were, and that and you felt that way.
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SPEAKER_02: But but there is a concept that the minute you and stories like this, the minute you write, your problem dissipates.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: Which means you're in front of the Rebbe.
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know, what is Batachin?
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SPEAKER_02: Batachin is you have Manukh Senefesh.
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SPEAKER_02: So how can you have Manuchas and Efesh when you're being punched in the face, in the gut, and in your bank account?
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SPEAKER_02: And the answer is you have Betachin.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the Rebbe's, you know, one of the main prince uh sikhas that we know of, you know, about Traku V at Zingut.
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SPEAKER_02: So um and when I was listening to them, it came out something in my mind like this.
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SPEAKER_02: Because one of the arguments in the place that I dive in is that Chabad Chasidis is intellectual.
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SPEAKER_02: And I don't think it's only Brass Love who juxtap who likes to clap and sing that thinks that.
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SPEAKER_02: I think there's a huge amount of Lababachas who think that.
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SPEAKER_02: And either you love the sachel of it or you don't, but basically it's Sahel.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So I had this thought.
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SPEAKER_02: If God is your ATM machine that gives spits out dollars for you, uh if you're nice, however you parse it, right?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm nice, I've been performing well, I've been doing mitzvahs, um, I don't know, I didn't go to the uh I didn't watch the uh soccer match, you know, and instead I uh I learned Cahelis and so on and so forth.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and he's your ATM machine, then what role does Casidis have for you?
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SPEAKER_02: And the role is again, it's intellectual because this guy asked, that's why I was thinking it came up for me like this way, because this guy's saying, I'm desperate.
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SPEAKER_02: So in pl if God is shaped by moments of desperation, then Hasidis is boring and intellectual.
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SPEAKER_02: Even for the ones who learn Lukutimaran, because it's giving them the uplift they need in their desperation.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's uh the idea, the the um yeah, the idea and the hope that it brings about, the Muna Kluli that we know Siddhis Claudy brings about, makes you feel better.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, but the actual ideas per se are intellectual.
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SPEAKER_02: So you could say, when I'm in front of God, I it's a mylah to be desperate.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so when you're if God is your ATM, commensurate with whatever for us, God is my ATM machine, is the seesaw of how much chasidis is intellectual and how much is it life.
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SPEAKER_02: If my objective is I want to experience knowing God, not intellectually knowing God, intimacy with God.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to know who this guy who this God is.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to feel this higher power as they speak about in the 12 steps, and I want to feel that higher power, and just to be in proximity of that higher power.
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SPEAKER_02: And Hasidis is going to explain to me how, what, when, and where.
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SPEAKER_02: Now it's not intellectual.
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SPEAKER_02: Now it's a tool, or at the least, now it's a where a pathway.
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SPEAKER_02: Now it's the and the key to a door, the walk through.
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SPEAKER_02: And then it loses its intellectuality that it looks like it is from the outside.
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SPEAKER_02: And you can say the same thing by learning anything, Gemara, right?
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SPEAKER_02: There's the intellectual side of the Gemara, and the fact that it's it's it's uh Raisva Kuchabihu Kulchad, the Torah and and the and you and God are one, and you're becoming unified with it like Perikay and Tanya, so you'll feel different.
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SPEAKER_02: If that's what your objective was to begin with.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So the guy who goes to the Rebbe goes to Hashem in desperation, you're not saying that he's You're not saying that he's doing anything wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
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SPEAKER_00: You're saying that he's he's missing the full scope of what's available to him?
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SPEAKER_00: Is that a different way to look at it?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know what that adds.
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SPEAKER_02: But in general, what is you know that I'm learning with someone this incredible, incredible piece from the Frida Kareba.
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SPEAKER_02: I know you love the Frida Karebbe, so I kind of throw that in there to make you happy.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think we mentioned it once before, but this is we're going a little bit further into it.
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SPEAKER_02: That he says he says, It says in the Pasubha Yeshaya that humble people add simcha for themselves and for God, where God becomes more uh a thing of simcha for them.
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SPEAKER_02: And he asks the question that simcha is part of together, and in Nevis and humbleness is you shrink.
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SPEAKER_02: So how could the shrinking create and lead to simcha?
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SPEAKER_02: And he makes this very repetitively, he makes this statement in the two mimers, that he says, the more you're margish yourself, we have to touch that out.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure how the best way is.
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SPEAKER_02: The more you're margish yourself, the more depressed and the more unhappy you will be with whatever you have.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: Number one, you're gonna make a mistake, what's coming to you?
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SPEAKER_02: Because you're gonna look at yourself bigger than you are.
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SPEAKER_02: Number two is you're gonna say everything's coming to me, and therefore whatever I get is not enough.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: And you're just it's it's it's all about you.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, what is the what's the opposite of that?
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SPEAKER_02: What is a Nevis?
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SPEAKER_02: And that's where it's interesting because most people think a Nevis is your Shmatta, which was the original question, in a sense, of the Vedigarebba.
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SPEAKER_02: It's shrinking.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: A Nevis is reaching higher.
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SPEAKER_02: A Nevis is I am tapped into something so much bigger than me that I'm humbled.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's with Moistra Bainu at the that he was on Mikola Alpanaya Dhamma.
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SPEAKER_02: He looked at the last generation, we're told, and he was very humbled by it.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: Because we have zero, we don't see anything, and we still do Torah Mitzus.
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SPEAKER_02: And he couldn't grasp that in a sense, if I can speak for him, because he he he sees what it is.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Why would you do it without it?
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: So, even though you have to.
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SPEAKER_02: So he was humbled.
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SPEAKER_02: To him, that was something greater.
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SPEAKER_02: He saw something greater.
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SPEAKER_02: It's almost like the Lebavachers who tell stories about the uh, you know, the guy who was a uh, I'm thinking of one guy who was like a priest for 50 years, and then he found out he met a Lebavacher, they found out his mother was Jewish and he put on Tvillin, he was happy to put on Twillin.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow, he's you know, it's unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: So that's like Moisha Rubinu looking at us.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So so doesn't that mean that mean that what if you're thinking always about yourself, the Frida Korea seems to imply that's not the way to get out from under yourself.
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SPEAKER_02: That's not the way to be happy.
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SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking, what about all of us going to therapy?
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SPEAKER_02: But then I realized therapy is not to feel yourself.
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SPEAKER_02: On the contrary, therapy is to be able to begin to feel yourself.
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SPEAKER_02: Most people go to therapy because they're so confused or traumatized and all this kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: But this hergish of a lookus of godliness is that is the which is the objective, have he says, of a person who's an un of.
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SPEAKER_02: And to go, like I I just experienced also this week, that someone was told not to diven so slow.
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SPEAKER_02: Because not because he's the tenth, but he's in a minion.
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SPEAKER_02: And the objection really was that he was dovening slower because he started learning Chasidis.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think the the zeitgeist of the our culture is that we don't think we can accomplish very much and that's humbleness.
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SPEAKER_02: No, humbleness is putting yourself aside with all of your limitations and striving to go higher.
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SPEAKER_02: So let's bring it down to a practical, practical daily level for somebody who's a parent.
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SPEAKER_02: Are we teaching our kids to be incredibly creative, entrepreneurial, um, go getters, um, live a life of excellence because that's who they are.
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SPEAKER_02: Are we doing that?
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SPEAKER_02: Is that the message we give up?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can't speak for other parents, but I actually it's interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: I I did get into a conversation once about the the value of making uh their education more practical, right?
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SPEAKER_00: There's a whole movement, even in the secular world, that we should stop teaching, you know, all these things that don't have any relevance to uh their future adult selves.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't need trigonometry, you need to know how to do your taxes.
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SPEAKER_00: And the the the equivalent in the Jewish world of like, you know, what should you be encouraging your kids to learn Davin with, you know, and ultimately go into because the way that if you're encouraging them to go into uh, you know, different fields that don't pay any money because that's what you're saying is the ideal, then and it was it was a it was an argument, obviously, from certain people's places of frustration that they feel like their education didn't give them a platform to be able to really succeed, and they had to figure it out later on in life from you know a different perspective.
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SPEAKER_00: And yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: No, I was just gonna say, how much of an education is gonna help pay for whatever three to six kids' tuition that you have.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's that's pretty much what he was saying.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, which is nothing new.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nothing new.
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SPEAKER_00: And and the frustration was understood.
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SPEAKER_02: No, but so what's the answer?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, uh what's the answer I could tell you in a second, but because the various choices, for example, in in in the Muncy Rockland area reflect that argument.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: And but when but w the the way that I took that question, and obviously I didn't grow up in that system to know how it feels to be uh pressured in one way or the other, meaning depending on how your parents pushed you when you were young to be a schliach, to be in Limud Kardash, and whatever whatever their argument was that it needs to be more balanced.
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SPEAKER_02: Schlichus is is is an anomaly in this historically in this in this conversation.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay because you had to be an entrepreneur to be a schliach.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, but let's let's put that to the side for a moment.
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SPEAKER_00: My thought, the way that I was explaining it to him, and the way that I try to approach this is you want to encourage your kids for what you were describing, to be entrepreneurial, creative, passionate, excited.
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SPEAKER_00: They shouldn't be worrying about their parnasa or the practical aspect of it.
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SPEAKER_00: You should be encouraging them to be themselves as much as humanly possible, which is kind of what you were saying, versus I think the counter-argument that was trying to be made is like, no, you got to crush their dreams relatively early in order to make them more practical so that they're going to have the mentality of, well, I need to have a parnassa so that I could have six kids in the Kater.
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SPEAKER_02: Or the other way around.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh crush their their dreams of a parn of a parnassa and tell them that it's foolish.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And and I think both of them are misunderstood of what it just means to first of all let them be who they are as children, and let life uh effectively educate them into what they are going to end up needing to become anyway for whatever path they take.
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SPEAKER_00: Meaning you don't you don't try to dictate that to them.
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SPEAKER_00: You try to you try to just let them embrace who they are as much as humanly possible within the guides of is this still.
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SPEAKER_02: So within within our context, what do you think?
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SPEAKER_02: Give me an example of how you would teach your hater boys to be, I don't know, pick a pick one of the one of one of the pieces of cutlery in the in the drawer.
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SPEAKER_02: Passionate, creative, um, entrepreneur entrepreneurial.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know if it's a specific thing more of than just an attitude of being passionate, being passionate about being passionate in your life, and then encouraging them to be passionate about their life.
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SPEAKER_00: Meaning, I I remember once hearing in a Febrangen that like Hasidis is so amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: I think this is a ball trova for bringen, so put it in context.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, so we'll diss it.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00: Take it for what you'd like, is really what I was saying.
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SPEAKER_00: But that Hasidis has something to offer everyone.
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SPEAKER_00: And what do they mean by that?
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SPEAKER_00: Meaning if you're into learning, you have the Hasidis, and if you're into, you know, uh, you know, singing, then you have Nigunum, and if you're into, you know, going out, then you have Mivsoyum, and if you're going into Hasidic culture.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but but the point is, what I liked about what he was saying, even though I don't exactly agree with the point of what he was making, but what I liked was just like, yes, you can be passionate in your life within the guidelines of Hasidic culture, as you call it, and then build from there the rest of your life off of passion, off of excitement, off of you have to do all the other things too, but it doesn't have to be from a place of I think you're putting the heart, the cart before the horse.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, whatsoever.
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SPEAKER_02: It depends, of course, which age you're talking about, but you're passionate, and that's why there are all those things available to you.
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SPEAKER_02: And if you're passionate, you're gonna discover what you're passionate about, and you're gonna say, Oh, I love Nagunim, so they'll be passionate about Nagunim and they'll ask you to learn how to play a guitar.
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SPEAKER_02: But so to speak.
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SPEAKER_02: But um I and I'm not gonna say I even understand how to answer the question, but I think what happens is we subtly or not so subtly believe that other than steiging away as it's called for in terra, everything else is foolish.
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SPEAKER_02: And wanting to accomplish and wanting to to do things and so on this is a big problem in our community in both sides of the fence, right?
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SPEAKER_02: The ones who go for it and the ones who don't go for it.
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SPEAKER_02: Because you're like you said, they're everyone's kind of all mixed up.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So and so you're saying let's let's let's un make them.
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SPEAKER_02: That's why let's go back to the desperate guy.
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know, either I told you you you know that I'm saying kadish for this um person I was working with who died at a young age and with no kids.
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SPEAKER_02: And um I I've been noticing in the Qadish and crazy, crazy thing to me.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like um almost uh incomprehensible in and of itself, which I'm just trying to be dramatic.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me tell you what it says in the Qadish.
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SPEAKER_02: We're saying the Qadish, and we say, his name, his great name should be blessed from world to world, so it says, you know, from one level to the next, praised, ispareich, ishtabach, you spare, he's he's he's wonder.
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SPEAKER_02: You give him, you tell him how wondrous he is, he's so uplifted, he's so hadar, he's so, I don't know what had beautiful, Bis Allah, he's he's lofty, he's he's halal, he's praiseworthy, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh the name of God.
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SPEAKER_02: And then the next sentence is after they say Amen, higher than all praise, higher than all all uh another blessings and praises, and higher than uh, yeah, basically higher than any of that.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, you just told me that he's all of this stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: Now you're telling me he's not.
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SPEAKER_02: What's shot?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So even though it the sequence is the opposite of what I'm about to say, is I'm gonna go back to that guy standing in front of God.
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SPEAKER_02: Hashem is Is I see if you feel like stupid talking about God, you know, because what do we know?
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SPEAKER_02: But anyways, I'm just saying what it says, right?
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SPEAKER_02: You're so humble.
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SPEAKER_02: No, I'm not humble.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm practical.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
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SPEAKER_02: So we call we we right this whole discussion, ain't so.
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SPEAKER_02: The Abbish says ain't so.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So there's desper what desperation is lack.
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SPEAKER_02: In front of God means you're on the level of that level of ain't so.
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SPEAKER_02: You're there.
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SPEAKER_02: In front of doesn't mean he's a hundred million miles away on the other side of where light took for us to see it now, 500 years to get to us.
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SPEAKER_02: He's over there, and we're in front of him, standing here on earth, saying, I'm desperate.
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SPEAKER_02: In front of him means in front of him.
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SPEAKER_02: So therefore, there's no lack.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not because so what do we like?
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SPEAKER_02: The story of Reb Zusha, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Was the Reb Zusha, the Maggot told the Khassa to go see Reb Zusha and he said um how do you get through pain and suffering?
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SPEAKER_02: And he said, I don't have any.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so he's in front of God, he doesn't have any.
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SPEAKER_02: Because he has no needs, but that's because he's in front of God.
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SPEAKER_02: What do we take it?
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SPEAKER_02: What do we take it to mean?
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SPEAKER_02: Don't have any needs.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: If you're Reb Zusha, uh they missed the whole point of the story.
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SPEAKER_02: I hear that.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So I uh what do what do we uh uh in May you know it occurs to me, uh and I don't know if this is e r uh worthy to say either, but I'll say it.
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SPEAKER_02: That it says that the uh the Khorbin Base of Migdash, which we're going to officially mark on the test um of the next couple of days, maybe with the Suda with Mashiach, but we're gonna still mark it.
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SPEAKER_02: Even though a lot of people died, but that's besides the point.
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SPEAKER_02: He poured his wrath on the stones, he didn't delete the nation.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay So where do you come in at?
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SPEAKER_02: Do you come in seeing this is one of the things he says in the Mimer actually, when he do you come in thick and coarse in your way of taking things in, the way you feel about yourself, or do you sense beyond bricks and mortar?
24:32
SPEAKER_02: And we're living in a world that only sees bricks and mortar.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: And we're being told about it all the time.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: It's so difficult to yeah.
24:42
SPEAKER_02: I was telling in my shul, they didn't stop talking about not having meat all week because of the nine days, right?
24:51
SPEAKER_02: They couldn't stop talking about it.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: And what are they gonna have and how are they gonna do it and this and that?
24:55
SPEAKER_02: And then someone picked up and said, There's a restaurant, and such a restaurant has a sium in the restaurant every single night so they can make a living and sell meat, right?
25:04
SPEAKER_02: So it was like they were having a nervous breakdown because they weren't gonna have they weren't gonna be able to have their meat.
25:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
25:12
SPEAKER_02: Is that what Tishabov is all about?
25:16
SPEAKER_00: That you're lacking your well, they're feeling the lacking, actually.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't even think they're feeling it.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: I think that they're imagining it.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: But when you think about it, you walk into a grocery store, a big one.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh and no one gets sued, but let's say like Evergreen.
25:33
SPEAKER_02: Right?
25:35
SPEAKER_02: How many items do they have in Evergreen?
25:42
SPEAKER_02: There's gotta be at least 5,000, right?
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Probably more.
25:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: How many of those are needed?
25:52
SPEAKER_02: Percentage wise.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: 10%.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: 10%, okay.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: We live in a in a in a in a time where you have forty, five hundred items you don't need, but everyone's running.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, they're buying it, otherwise it wouldn't be on the shelf.
26:09
unknown: Yeah.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: That's our culture.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: That's where we're living in.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: That's what we're fighting against.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: If you want to go, what he says, if you're margish the self, says the Frida Kareba, then you're never Bishlamus in what even you have.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: You never so and he and he brings the Gomara that says a person doesn't pass away with even half of his taivas accomplished.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: That's like Aesov saying that I have plenty.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: And and I'm not getting into the whole Musar thing about how much you should eat or not eat, or this, and that, and next.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying it's a consciousness.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: And I I thought to myself, because you know, obviously, I'm in this kind of so-called industry, but it's more than just interesting industry to me.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: What does it mean that there's all these foods and items that I don't need?
27:06
SPEAKER_02: Who's who's defining the need?
27:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, you're saying you're saying who defines the actual need of your body?
27:14
SPEAKER_02: What defines the actual need?
27:16
SPEAKER_00: Of saying that 10% is needed is your body.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: Your body.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
27:20
SPEAKER_02: So uh with it, the body uh runs very well.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: With the other 95%, or whatever, 90%, you're in a lot of trouble eventually, right?
27:34
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
27:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: So you're actually missing because of your sense of self, which is rooted in the wrong place, and your sense of lack, and your sense of not going beyond.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, we like all this stuff, otherwise you wouldn't buy it, and so forth.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: You're not feeling the miracle of yourself.
27:55
SPEAKER_02: Because if you were feeling the miracle of yourself, you'd only buy the 10%.
27:58
SPEAKER_02: And you would be experiencing the body in all of its workings doing its thing.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: Huh.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: And the same thing goes Bagashmius and Baruchnius in everything.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: So can so liken it to the Ruchnias, then what's the what's the equation?
28:16
SPEAKER_02: Well, first of all, everything in your body is Ruchnius.
28:19
SPEAKER_02: It's a miracle.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: No, but I'm saying Oh, you mean bug elukus?
28:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so like most of our lives, 90% of it.
28:29
SPEAKER_02: We're in the 90% category.
28:31
SPEAKER_02: That's correct.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: It's not really being used to say.
28:34
SPEAKER_02: So you can say in the same time that you can say, I'm standing in front of God, I am helpless and desperate.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: Well, if you're standing in front of God, you're no more helpless and desperate.
28:47
SPEAKER_02: Unless he's an ATM machine.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: They took Umbrinch to that title that I gave.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: I told him God's not an uh ATM machine.
28:58
SPEAKER_02: They got very.
28:59
SPEAKER_02: But they're always talking about Shefa, Shefa, Shefah about Schusim, right?
29:03
SPEAKER_02: So the Litvax talk about schusim.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: And and the and the other Chasidim talk about Sagulas.
29:12
SPEAKER_02: Now the Litvax are also talking about Sagulas.
29:14
SPEAKER_00: No, but it's interesting because the the Hayom, there was there was an interesting argument on Shabbos about the Hayom Yom that says on Shabbos, that says that uh that a person cannot make one cent more than they were alive.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: And so it's don't put in more time, don't whatever it is.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: And then it says, and if you want real bracha, then it says Davin with a minion and Muhudur uh Koshras and Shabbos and Limitara and I'm sorry, and Kinoch, I think those are the four things.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: So the discussion was like this.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: So there was somebody who gave a really beautiful idea that they just came up with.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: It was their own kiddosh about the fact that it starts out by saying there's not a single thing you could do to add to more money.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: And then it says and you know what?
30:04
SPEAKER_02: They don't get what the Yom Young is saying.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: So this is the argument.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: What do you think is the Hayom Yom is saying?
30:08
SPEAKER_02: Very simple.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: It's already allotted.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: We know well, because I know the the background Khassidis on it.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: It's already allotted on Rosh Hashanah.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: But it's in the Ruchnistika arena, and to transform from Ruchnias to Gashmius is a process, or it's not a process, so to speak.
30:29
SPEAKER_02: Depends on you.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: Right?
30:33
SPEAKER_02: I I always like to say, well in the towns in which the Schluchem are living, all of those people are making a good living.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: And they don't keep Shabbos and they don't do this and they don't do that, so therefore what?
30:48
SPEAKER_02: Therefore the yom yom is off the table?
30:51
SPEAKER_02: They're an exception to the rule.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: No, I don't think so.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: I think that even in our own community we see the people who, so to speak, who are s more spiritual being poorer by and large.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: Right?
31:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
31:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: So it's n I what what I don't know the exact wording off by heart of that Yomi.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: But what if I said to you like this?
31:17
SPEAKER_02: When you're in front of God, you're not desperate because since you're feeling the hairgish not of yourself, but of Ain's of whatever that means to you, and you could feel it of a certain level, even just Lama Minateva, that you could and you feel it, then do you have the worries?
31:42
SPEAKER_02: Do you have the lack of strategy for your business?
31:46
SPEAKER_02: Do you have the answers to your problems?
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Do you not want to dab in an a minion because you think it's a contradiction to making more money?
32:01
SPEAKER_00: Obviously not.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: Well okay.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: That's the meaning of the of the Yom Young.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: Again, it's not like Rebzusha.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: So don't so suffer, but Rebzusha said I didn't have any problems because he was standing in front of God.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: So I'm supposed to go and walk around like a yachts because and don't feel it.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: No, of course I hear I hear you.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: So the the discussion was a little bit different.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: Because the argument back was the Hayom Yom does not say you're gonna get money.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: You're not you're gonna make more money from going to a minion, you know, uh Shabbas, Koshus, or whatever.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: It's just saying you're gonna have real bracha, and real bracha is Hashem's bracha.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: So now you're you're giving it better context to say like real bracha is that you actually recognize that you're in front of God.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: Right.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: And then even when you're making your living.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: Even when you're making your living, even when you're doing everything.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: And what does it mean, by the way, to do more?
33:02
SPEAKER_02: You can't do more.
33:03
SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
33:04
SPEAKER_02: So therefore, I should only work an hour a day.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: The lawyer should only work an hour a day, the storekeeper should only keep up his score.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, only for three hours a day, is that instead of five?
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Is that what the yomyom means?
33:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's I'm saying that when we think God is an ATM machine, we stand in a place of desperate thinking.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: Never mind desperate feeling.
33:28
SPEAKER_02: And when when when when your Margishta, the Abishta is real, he's right in the thick of your things.
33:36
SPEAKER_02: You so you said it over to me last week.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: What's the difference between why why is it that Levi Yitzhak Bradichal gives the mushal on Shabis Chazoin of a garment that was ripped twice and not a house?
33:51
SPEAKER_02: What's the answer?
33:53
SPEAKER_00: It's personal, it's it's fitting.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: It fittings you're right.
33:56
SPEAKER_02: God is actually in your clothes, so to speak.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: Now we don't feel that way.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so knock your chest with your right hand when you say tahnan, saying, I'm an idiot for not feeling that way.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: But don't go and say I don't know how else else you put it, I can't wait to finish Tachnan, which is the Yomeo.
34:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: Right?
34:20
SPEAKER_02: Um I I I've I really find it foolish to people think that you have to be room to make a living.
34:31
SPEAKER_02: You don't have to be.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: That's obvious.
34:35
SPEAKER_02: Right?
34:35
SPEAKER_02: We see it all over.
34:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:37
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: And you don't have to be a tzadik to be a chasid.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you could be a guy who just domins a little bit slower because he started learning Hasidis, except for the fact that other people are.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: And he takes God seriously.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: Other people are telling him, well, you're not dominating with the minion anymore, which is that's a crazy thing for I think somebody to say, but that's uh counterculture now, I guess.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: And you know, it comes all the way down to one of the things that drives me crazy today is this argument.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: And I don't understand it.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to talk about halakha.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: There's one guy in my show that screams about the gadailim, the gadailim, the gadoilim, the gdailim.
35:20
SPEAKER_02: And I know the reb is relatively the reb ishita on this, arguing that your the secular I just came out today, secular rishayim and kipasruga knit kipa are reshaiim who say that the guys who are learning in yeshiva have to go to the army.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: They're Rashim.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: This is from a Godol.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm not even going to talk about the Halacha.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine you're a parent living on in, I don't know, in um in Rananna, and your son is at the front for the last 40 days, and there's not even a word of thanks?
36:05
SPEAKER_02: There's no respect for that.
36:08
SPEAKER_02: Why are the demarcations so black and white?
36:12
SPEAKER_02: When the only reason why, Mr., whoever you are, I don't want to get hit by lightning through your house because I don't want to pay for the damages, but the only reason why he has food on the table, the only reason why he's not being bombed like his his him maybe, even because he's old enough or his father in Warsaw is because of these guys.
36:32
SPEAKER_02: No, they're gonna say, no, if these Zionists weren't there, then the Muslims would we would live in peace with the Muslims and everything would be hunky dory.
36:42
SPEAKER_02: Really?
36:43
SPEAKER_02: So it's the same ball game.
36:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh uh that's like Reb Zusha, and I'm going to suffer, even though that's not the shot by Reb Zusha.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: I just we're s I just find that we're so mixed up and unfeeling about the other other people in this case.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: How can you tell a whole people who lost that there's a thousand soldiers that were killed?
37:14
SPEAKER_02: And you're saying that they're Rashai and because their son and when their son was killed, and you're sitting learning and you even if it's true, you know what?
37:22
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't say it.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: So this tension between Gashmius and Rukhne's stones were only hit on Tishabov and and destroyed.
37:37
SPEAKER_02: But we're still here.
37:39
SPEAKER_02: So uh it's time to rebuild.
37:44
SPEAKER_02: We should see yeah, so so and it takes entrepreneurial ship to rebuild.
37:51
SPEAKER_02: But also Bhagashm, yes.
37:53
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