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Americans exercising the same rights as law enforcement does · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Helping to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.
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  This is the Constitution Study on the America Out Loud Network with your host, Paul Engel.
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  Me and Webster defines reciprocity as a mutual exchange of privileges.
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  Congress is considering new legislation called the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2025.
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  Will this lead to a mutual exchange of privileges or more division between those states that recognize the second amendment and those that do not?
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  Hello there, everyday Americans, Pauling here with a constitution study where we read instead of the Constitution, teacherizing generation be free.
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  I'm proud to have with me, Sheriff Mack.
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  I figured since we're talking about what the federal the fraternal order of police and the International Association of Chiefs of Police have to say about this law.
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  I want to have a law enforcement officer with me.
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  Sheriff, thank you for joining me today.
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  Well, you're welcome, Paul.
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  It's great to be with you.
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  Thanks.
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  So for those who don't know, if you're not a constitutional guy or a carry guy, reciprocity is when two states agree to recognize the other's concealed carry permit.
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  Some states do, it creates a real strange patchwork of laws.
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  You know, you can carry here, but you can't carry there, and the rules are different.
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  And Congress has multiple times tried to create some form of national reciprocity.
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  The latest example, this concealed carry reciprocity act, I've read it, I've I've looked at it.
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  It looks pretty good, but the fraternal order of police and the International Association of Chiefs of Police, uh, FOP and IACB respectively, they don't like this law.
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  They they claim that it's going to make life more dangerous for the law enforcement officers they claim to represent.
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  Uh, Sheriff Mack, by looking your face, you don't agree with them.
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  Yeah, uh I've actually uh uh debated some of the people that are involved in those organizations before.
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  Fraternal order of police, the FOP, they they actually have uh state organizations all across the country.
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  The national organization usually is the one that doesn't support uh gun ownership by law abiding citizens very much.
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  They don't support the second amendment, they don't support the oath of office that they all swear to that they're gonna uphold and defend the Constitution.
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  Uh the second amendment is part of that oath.
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  It's in the Constitution.
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  Uh and yet the the brainwashing in law enforcement and in government in general, all across the country is um we get to do whatever we want.
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  We can violate the constitution anytime we want.
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  If if we think that it's going to make people safer.
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  And uh, quite honestly, just from a law enforcement standpoint, I would ask every law enforcement officer that belongs to those organizations, IACP, FOP, and any others.
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  Uh are you going to let your guard down if they don't pass this?
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  Are every time they pass a gun control law, do you let your guard down when you're going to a family fight?
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  And you don't have to worry about guns being in there because they outlawed guns or they outlawed certain guns or the assault rifles, whatever that definition really means.
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  Are you going to let your guard down when you stop somebody on traffic and not pretend that they uh don't have a gun?
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  Oh, good, let's pass, let's let's pass universal gun control where no citizen, nobody can own a gun.
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  Are you going to let your guard down then?
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  Um did you see the shooting just recently in Australia?
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  Australia has universal gun control.
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  Uh, how about London?
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  They have universal gun control.
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  Uh and and you can look at them all.
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  It doesn't jive with one, our constitution, and it doesn't jive with law enforcement being careful.
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  Because we have to believe that everybody has a gun, every put every person is packing, and it's always a potential.
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  So what difference is he what difference do these laws make?
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  Are you going to be more comfortable?
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  You're going to draw.
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  It's not going to provide you any safety, and you shouldn't change how you approach a family fight or a traffic stop.
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  You shouldn't change that one iota.
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  So what does it matter if law-abiding citizens have guns?
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  And not only that, but reciprocity.
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  There's already these permits all over.
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  How about the nurse that went from Ohio to New Jersey and was stopped for a minor traffic violation and was arrested for a felony because she had a gun in her car.
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  And she lost her license as a nurse.
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  She went to jail.
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  She was losing her children, got divorced.
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  All of this because of a reciprocity didn't exist.
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  And she was innocent of any crime whatsoever.
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  Only thing she did was travel from Ohio to New Jersey.
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  And she ended up, she ends up in jail.
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  You talked about uh uh, you know, infringing in rights and being uh absolved of it.
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  I mean, it's this idea of qualified immunity.
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  The letter from the FOP and IACP focused law.
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  It's oh my God, you're saying we won't have qualified immunity if we break the law, we might actually be held accountable.
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  Uh we can't have that because a law enforcement officer cannot work, apparently in their mind without infringing on the rights of the very people they took an oath to defend their rights.
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  Uh does that make any sense to you?
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  Uh well.
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  Well, in today's uh uh insanity, yeah, I guess it does.
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  Uh because look, uh we just need to be honest with each other.
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  And uh I want to offer the IACP and FOP a chance to have me come and do the training that I call the Constitution for Law Enforcement.
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  And I think they would, I think if they would really focus on their oath of office and the role that law enforcement plays in today's society to what?
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  Protect our constitutional republic.
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  But it's really difficult to get through to people when they've been brainwashed for decades about some of these things, but primarily that that somehow America is a democracy.
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  And with that brainwashing comes, we get to do whatever we want.
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  Qualified immunity uh should should not be a problem because we in law enforcement know that we are trained to uphold and defend the law.
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  And we don't, and and and look at folks, we need to set the example in uh sustaining and obeying and enforcing the supreme law of the land.
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  We all swore an oath to do that.
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  Every one of us in law enforcement swore that oath probably multiple times to uphold and defend the constitution.
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  That presupposes that we know the constitution.
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  And that what and the other is that we will never do anything contrary to the constitution.
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  When we raise our hand in court and we swear an oath to tell the truth, do we get to make an exception to that and say, oh, well, uh, just as long as my sergeant uh tells me I can or if my chief of police says I need to fudge, I'm on telling the truth, and no, we don't get to abdicate that oath.
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  We don't get to put that on the chief or the sergeant or my lieutenant or the captain.
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  That's my responsibility to tell the truth.
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  It is my responsibility and your responsibility to know what your oath of office means and know how to keep that oath.
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  You know, qualified immunity started as to protect uh govern government actors from nuisance lawsuits.
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  You know, you serve a warrant.
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  Well, you didn't want an officer being sued for serving a warrant.
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  That made sense.
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  But it's you're right, it's turned into, well, whatever the cop believes, that's true, unless some court said otherwise.
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  But there's another part of this that drives me absolutely nuts because one of the arguments from the FOP is that, well, listen, we get the law says if a person presents a facially valid uh uh carry license, that is prima facie proof that they're legal to carry in their state.
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  And the FOP says, well, how do we trust a facially valid license that it's actually valid unless we go back and have some way of doing effectively a background check in the middle out in the middle of the street?
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  Um, but it's this idea of you're guilty until proven innocent when it comes to carrying a firearm.
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  And that seems to be what else is the FOP is promoting.
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  Well, that's what even since uh permits started, and and I really think one of the first date, if not the first date, was actually Florida.
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  And this was like 30 years ago, maybe more.
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  And of course, all the gun grabbers and and all the crazies that don't want people to keep and bear arms and don't want to respect the second amendment.
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  Uh, they were going crazy with, oh, there's going to be so many killings in Florida, and people are going to, it's going to be like the old West, and people are going to be shooting each other up.
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  And uh, it turned out that shootings actually drop in Florida.
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  The other stuff I've heard is that.
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  Um a concealed carrier license holder is less likely to commit a crime than a law enforcement officer.
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  Yeah, that's true too.
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  And and not only that, but um the saying going on in law enforcement now is no one's above the law.
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  And but that includes us.
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  That includes legislatures.
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  And if the legislature tells you to do something, if they tell you to confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens, are you going to do that just because they put it on paper and say, yeah, I we're all in favor?
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  We have to stand against laws that violate the constitution.
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  And there are really no laws at all.
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  In fact, if you read the Miranda warning through there, it'll tell you that.
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  Marbury versus Madison, it'll tell you in that that any law that is contrary to human rights and civil rights and the the God-given rights protected in the Constitution is no law at all and deserves no attention or enforcement.
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  And so we have to be able to stand up to the legislatures and to the judges.
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  And just because they violate the Constitution, doesn't pass on any responsibility or duty for me or officers to enforce that for them and to go along with them.
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  Quite the contrary.
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  But we stand for freedom and we stand for the Constitution.
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  That requires officers to know the document they take an oath to support and defend, which is what I try to do here is make sure everybody has a chance to know.
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  Because if we don't know, how do we know if the officers violating the constitution if we don't even know what that is to begin with?
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  How are we are we prepared to defend and assert our rights?
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  As John Jay said, if we haven't learned out, if we haven't read the Constitution, understand where and how they're protected.
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  Um, you know, we're coming to the end of the segment.
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  Before you go, I really want your position as a law enforcement officer with decades of service.
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  Does the FOP and the IACP represent the rank and file law enforcement officers they claim to be representing?
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  Is this really their position?
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  Not really.
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  Uh you'd have to look at how many members they really have.
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  And no, they don't have.
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  There's millions of officers.
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  There's over a million police officers in this country, and I I'll bet neither one of them are even close to that.
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  But uh, chiefs of police, that's a whole different ball game.
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  And they report to liberal town councils and town managers.
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  Uh, and most of the officers that I know are are very pro-second amendment and very pro-gun.
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  And uh, I don't, I don't believe in my experience with this.
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  I don't believe for one minute they come even close to representing the Rick and File police of this country.
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  You know, I find it interesting.
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  I asked the question at the end of the article.
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  Uh, that, you know, would would law enforcement officers not want their carry licenses recognized by other states, then I realize wait a second.
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  Officers, law enforcement, they don't they already have reciprocity, not only in the 50 states, but in federal territories as well.
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  A badge is a basically a universal carry license.
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  So maybe the FOP and IACP, they're they're like, it's fine for me, just not for thee.
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  Not for thee.
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  That's true.
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  Afraid so there's too much of that in law enforcement, and we just need to be fair and honest with the people that were uh policing and fair and honest in keeping our oath of office.
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  And I have to admit, you know, I I believe most law enforcement officers are the trying to do a good job.
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  Um, they may Most of them are good people.
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  Yeah, most of them are good people.
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  On the few incasions I've had interaction with law enforcements, most state, locals, county, and federal.
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  It was professional, it was done properly, and I have nothing but praise for them.
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  But that doesn't mean I'm not exposed.
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  I don't find these these scenarios where, well, you know, you have officers that are are you know serving warrants to the wrong address because they didn't check the address.
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  They followed Google, but they didn't check the address.
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  I mean, the stuff happens.
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  My point is they need to be held accountable.
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  And if I'm listening to the FOP, uh my question, I guess, is Congress really shouldn't be listening to FOP as a representative of the law enforcement because they just don't represent that many.
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  And apparently they're not doing it very well.
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  That's what I would get from our from our exchange.
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  Uh, before we go, tell people where it can they can find out more.
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  Of course, I want you to talk about CSPOA and that, but let people know where they're gonna find out more of what you're doing.
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  Okay, yes.
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  Um, well, I forgot to plug in my computer there.
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  Almost uh went dark on me here.
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  Um, yeah, uh, the CSPOA is for every citizen, and everybody should go there, uh, make a donation, and most importantly, become a member of the CSPOA posse that's right on the front page of our website at CSPOA.org.
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  Become a part of the solution and work with us in doing exactly what we've been talking about here.
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  Training citizens and law enforcement to work together in defending civil rights that are guaranteed in the Constitution.
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  And again, CSPO's POA stands for the Constitutional Sheriffs and Police Officers Association.
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  Peace, peace officers.
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  Peace officers.
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  I mean, thank you.
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  I want to make sure I get that right.
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  It is, it's a great organization.
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  I will tell you the county sheriff for my county is retiring.
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  And I'm already setting up meetings with the candidates because I want to ask them some serious questions about their understanding of their role and the constitution and training their deputy.
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  So that's the preparation.
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  Uh, Sheriff Mack.
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  Excellent.
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  That's what everybody needs to do.
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  Yes, I think thank you for your time.
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  Hey, Merry Christmas, my friend, and Merry Christmas to everybody.
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  Absolutely.
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  You have a Merry Christmas.
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  Enjoy yourself out there in Arizona.
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  I doubt it will be a white Christmas, but I'm sure it'll be a I'm hoping it'll be a happy Christmas.
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  It will be because I get to go golfing.
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  I don't know if I have time to do it, but I I can go if I want to.
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  Excellent.
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  Well, you have a great day, and we'll talk to you again in the near future.
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  Thanks, both.
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  Caesar.
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  Well, I hope you enjoyed that interview.
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  I do enjoy talking to Sheriff Mack.
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  It's it's a great way to get law enforcement's point of view.
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  Now, I've got some more things I want to look at involving, well, not so much reciprocity itself, but the impact of these.
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  Welcome back, everyday Americans you rejoin the Constitution study.
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  And today we're talking reciprocity.
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  Now, generally in the Second Amendment community, reciprocity is states that agree to recognize the others uh carry licenses.
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  And of course, we talked in the first segment with uh Sheriff Mack about the concealed carry reciprocity act of 2000.
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  I'm sorry, constitutional concealed carry reciprocity act of 2025.
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  Um we were reviewing uh an article.
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  I wrote about it, it'll be published uh December 29th, is when it'll hit it'll hit the website.
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  You can find it at Constitution Study.com.
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  Of course, you sign up for the mailing list, you'll be notified as soon as the article publishes.
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  So uh you can you can read it then.
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  But there are a lot of things we take this general idea of reciprocity, this uh uh sharing, the mutually understanding uh uh routine, right?
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  Mutually understanding the privileges and immunities of others, it really extends into areas we may not have thought of.
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  Since we're on this uh Second Amendment kick, let's take a look at a couple of interesting uh situations.
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  First is a case out of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, and it involves a Louisiana man who was accused of illegally owning a suppressor.
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  Now, for those of you not in the second amendment community, uh it don't watch the movies, right?
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  The movies keep calling, they're silencers, and as if you know you put one of these things on, and now you're you know you're 45 or you're your AR-15, it's a silent as the night.
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  That's not how they work.
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  They're suppressors, they're mufflers.
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  That's all they are.
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  They muffle the sound of the gunshot.
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  They don't muffle the action, they don't muffle, they bring the sound down.
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  Same way you put a muffler on a car on an internal combustion engine, it is not silent, it's just quieter.
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  But uh then again, a lot of people have a lot of fear because I think many of them believe the movies, believe that you know, only assassins use suppressors and and uh kind of forgetting that even in in Europe and a lot of countries, suppressors are almost required because the loud sounds really disturb people.
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  So there's a whole lot of criteria, but let's get back to the the Fifth Circuit.
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  Now, they upheld this is out of the third bite of the apple.
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  They upheld the conviction of a gentleman by the name of George Peterson.
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  Uh first they did it back in February, then they they revised their opinion in August, and now here in December strike three.
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  Now, what's interesting is this time around the panel simply ignored the question of whether or not a suppressor is protected by the second amendment.
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  They simply said, well, the National Firearm Act's taxation and registration scheme is basically a shall issue concealed carry permit.
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  Very similar to that.
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  Anyone can get it.
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  Of course, you have to go through a background check, and of course, you have to pay money, which is an interesting question, because the Fifth Circuit uh decided, or they they talk about the Department of Justice describing the tax, the $200 tax for putting a suppressor on here.
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  Well, they call it a modest burden on the second amendment rights.
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  Well, except the second amendment says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, which means the only legitimate way to place a modest burden on the second amendment is via due process, meaning the government has to show beyond a reasonable doubt in my mind, or at least with a preponderance of evidence that the uh uh uh taxing and registering these suppressors is necessary to uh uh meet some government legitimate government goal, namely um protecting people's rights.
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  Of course, they just ignore that.
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  No, we can we can do this.
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  Now, there's a lot of misinformation about um uh about the the suppressor.
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  There's a lot of misinformation about the National Firearms Act.
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  Um, suppressors are not illegal.
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  You simply need to register them with the federal government and pay a $200 tax and then keep the tax stamp with the suppressor at all times.
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  Again, that may be a modest burden, but it certainly is an infringing right to keep a pair of arms.
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  But Paula suppressor is not an arm.
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  Then it's part of an arm.
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  That's like saying, you know, well, uh, you know, if you take the hilt of a sword, that's not an art, that's not uh an arm because it's just the hilt.
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  But you really have a, you know, okay, yes, and uh and a sword, you kind of have a hard time wielding it, but you can.
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  The point is it's part of armor.
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  It doesn't, the the second amendment doesn't protect firearms, it protects arms.
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  And since a suppressor, like a magazine, is a part of a firearm, a part of a weapon of offense or armor for defense, it should fall under the second amendment.
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  Of course, you know, again, that was was uh not even questioned by the the Fifth Circuit.
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  Now, why is this important to the rest of the nation?
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  Well, for the very simple reason that this gentleman has been convicted of a crime for not paying a tax to exercise a right protected by the Constitution of the United States.
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  That's a very important point because if you think about it, couldn't that also be made be said true of states that require you to have a permit to carry a firearm?
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  I mean, to get a permit, you have to pay for the permit.
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  In some states, you have to pay to even apply for the permit.
• 26:32
  In New York State, when I got my carry license, I had to pay to get an application.
• 26:38
  I had to uh uh uh uh pay for the uh the the license itself.
• 26:44
  I even had to provide self-addressed domed envelopes that they would send to my character witnesses so that they could mail their response back.
• 26:54
  And no other right protected by the constitution, no other right protected by the Bill of Rights is required to be infringed upon without paying a fee, a tax.
• 27:06
  But that's what brought this up here.
• 27:09
  Now, if you think about it from a standpoint of reciprocity, we have given the government the authority to enforce constitutional laws.
• 27:17
  Anything that's unconstitutional is not valid.
• 27:19
  And in exchange, we expect them to protect our rights.
• 27:23
  But this is an example where wait a second, you're not protecting the rights listed in the constitution.
• 27:29
  You're coming up with ways to infringe on those rights and expecting us to pay for the privilege of, well, in this case, suppressing our weapons so the noise isn't so loud.
• 27:43
  I live on a farm.
• 27:44
  I have horses and cows.
• 27:47
  I have dogs and cats.
• 27:49
  Gee, it'd be nice if I could go out and target practice or maybe kill my abundance of squirrels without scaring the crap out of the horses.
• 27:58
  But I can't unless I pay the federal government a 200 tax to put a muffler on my firearm.
• 28:04
  Does that make sense?
• 28:07
  Here's another one.
• 28:08
  I listen, I've seen some pretty crazy.
• 28:10
  They call them gun control laws.
• 28:11
  These are people control laws.
• 28:14
  But this has got to be one of the dumbest ones.
• 28:17
  I mean, I've heard some pretty ridiculous ones.
• 28:19
  I I told you before when I lived in New York, they were working on a what a quote-unquote assault weapons ban.
• 28:25
  I actually invited the person who submitted the legislation.
• 28:28
  This next time you're in Albany, because I live near Albany.
• 28:31
  I invited him to my gun range.
• 28:32
  I said, bring whatever security you want.
• 28:35
  I will guarantee your safety, but you can have whatever security you want, because I have a question for you.
• 28:41
  See, I had at the time I had two rifles.
• 28:44
  One had a standard stock, one had a black scary stock.
• 28:48
  But they were essentially the same firearm, shooting the same ammunition at the same rate, but one would be considered a an assault weapon because it looks scary.
• 29:00
  Of course, he never showed up.
• 29:01
  Didn't really surprise me.
• 29:02
  Well, here's another one.
• 29:04
  So apparently, the attorney general of Minnesota, uh John Squire.
• 29:10
  He's got this interesting idea for the latest people control law.
• 29:15
  See, he wants to make it a requirement that all guns that are carried must have a trigger lock in place.
• 29:24
  Let me stop and just again.
• 29:26
  I know not everybody of you, you're not gun people.
• 29:29
  Okay.
• 29:29
  A trigger lock is a lock.
• 29:32
  Think of it like a padlock, except instead of being that little hook, it's a it mounts on both sides of the trigger that prevents you from even getting your finger on the trigger until you unlock it and remove it, right?
• 29:46
  You have to put a key in and you have to pull it apart, and then you have access to the trigger.
• 29:51
  Now, this apparently makes sense to either somebody who really hates guns, is really afraid of hoplophobic, terribly just a uh a
• 30:00
  Paranoid fear of firearms, or more accurately, firearm owners.
• 30:06
  Uh, and or someone who just has no idea how guns work.
• 30:10
  Why?
• 30:11
  So if you're carrying a firearm, it's most likely for self-defense.
• 30:16
  If you're attacked, if there's if something threatens you, threatens your life.
• 30:20
  Because remember, in Minnesota, like all 50 states, a firearm's considered lethal force to use lethal force.
• 30:27
  Your life, you must originally believe your life is an imminent threat.
• 30:31
  Either of your life or serious bottle injury for you or an innocent bystander.
• 30:36
  All right.
• 30:36
  Imminent.
• 30:37
  Now, no time to wait.
• 30:39
  You have to be now.
• 30:41
  So picture this.
• 30:44
  You're walking down the street.
• 30:46
  Someone brandishes a firearm and says, give me your money.
• 30:50
  Someone threatens your life.
• 30:52
  And you tell them, pardon me just a minute while I unlock my firearm.
• 30:58
  You've heard the saying, while when seconds matter, police are minutes away.
• 31:04
  This is when seconds matter, well, we need what minutes to unlock my well, at least a minute, better part of a minute to unlock my firearm.
• 31:13
  This, again, it's got to be the dumbest proposed legislation I've ever heard.
• 31:19
  And what's interesting is Mr.
• 31:21
  Dwyer apparently has plans for running for the Minnesota house, which would be a situation where he could actually propose such legislation.
• 31:29
  I'm sure all the hoplophobes out there are like, yes, lock up the guns, even when you're carrying lock up the guns.
• 31:36
  It makes the gun all but useless to defend yourself.
• 31:41
  It makes it all but useless for the stated purpose of the second amendment.
• 31:45
  The security of a free state.
• 31:48
  Part of that security is my ability to defend myself.
• 31:51
  Let's take the human part out of it.
• 31:53
  You're walking through the woods.
• 31:55
  A bear attacks.
• 31:57
  I've had I haven't had an attack.
• 31:59
  When we lived up in New York, my wife and daughter are out in the backyard, and my wife saw what she thought was a squirrel reaching for the bird feeder.
• 32:08
  Climbing up on the bird feeder.
• 32:10
  So she went and yelled at it only to find out no, it was a bear.
• 32:15
  Now, I don't know about you.
• 32:16
  If you ever seen a bear, bears move pretty fast.
• 32:19
  So imagine you're out in the woods.
• 32:22
  You're uh uh you're maybe you're just going for a walk.
• 32:25
  You're not even missing honey, you're just going for a walk.
• 32:27
  But you have a sidearm just in case you encounter a dangerous animal.
• 32:32
  There's the bear.
• 32:33
  Excuse me, Mr.
• 32:34
  Bear.
• 32:34
  Would you wait?
• 32:35
  Yogi.
• 32:36
  Hang on just a minute.
• 32:37
  Let me unlock my trigger lock off.
• 32:40
  Now you can charge.
• 32:43
  A bear?
• 32:44
  A moose.
• 32:46
  Any dangerous animal.
• 32:48
  You want to wait while someone and let the animal attack while you unlock.
• 32:53
  Why?
• 32:53
  Because it well, mainly.
• 32:57
  Here's ridiculous.
• 32:58
  If your gun is in it, if your weapon is in its holster, if you have a decent holster, the trigger's already covered.
• 33:04
  It's not locked, but it's covered.
• 33:06
  Specifically to prevent you from accidentally getting your finger or something else in there and setting it off.
• 33:13
  But here's the other part.
• 33:16
  Well, someone can accidentally discharge.
• 33:18
  That means that they are stupid.
• 33:22
  They've forgotten the second universal safety law of uh firearm ownership.
• 33:30
  First is never point a weapon.
• 33:32
  Well, actually, it's the third uh the the first it's actually the third rule.
• 33:35
  First rule is you always treat guns like they're they're loaded.
• 33:38
  To prove anotherwise, a gun is always loaded.
• 33:40
  Second, you never point a gun at anything you're not willing to kill or destroy.
• 33:44
  And third, you never put your finger on the trigger until you've made a conscious decision to fire.
• 33:52
  They violated so you have some idiot who doesn't know how to handle a firearm.
• 33:58
  And to prevent them from doing something stupid, you're going to infringe on the rights of everybody who not only lives in Minnesota, but everybody who visits Minnesota.
• 34:08
  We're going to make them less safe because of our fear of guns.
• 34:15
  Guess what?
• 34:16
  Fear is not a law.
• 34:19
  There's no law that says you have a right to not be afraid.
• 34:23
  And let's face it, you're a criminal.
• 34:26
  You're good.
• 34:26
  Let's say you're that mugger.
• 34:28
  Let's say that you're that that uh home invader or that uh murderer.
• 34:32
  Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm going to to uh make sure I can't actually use my gun to break in this house because I have a trigger lock on it.
• 34:41
  It's stupid.
• 34:43
  But I've kind of come to use it.
• 34:44
  You know, it it's the forest gump, right?
• 34:46
  Stupid is as stupid does.
• 34:48
  Well, Mr.
• 34:49
  Dwyer, he's proven himself to be pretty stupid.
• 34:53
  I hope the people of Minnesota realize this before they potentially vote him as a member of their legislature.
• 35:01
  Because to me, that makes us a very dangerous man.
• 35:06
  Now, I've got a couple more examples I want to look at, but as I mentioned, I've got a break coming up, and I really do need to answer it.
• 35:12
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  Today we start out talking about reciprocity.
• 40:30
  And we're kind of finishing up with the impact of that.
• 40:33
  And of course, you know, the big question is well, you know, it's the what happens, people come in, they don't follow our restrictive gun laws, and oh my God, you know, chaos ensues, and there'll be blood in the streets, and it's the wild wild west, all sorts of claims.
• 40:49
  But here's the interesting thing.
• 40:51
  It seems like the locations with the strictest quote unquote gun control laws.
• 40:57
  I mean, they're people control laws, not gun control laws, but they still have quite a problem with guns.
• 41:05
  I mean, we've been talking before about the the shooting at Brown University.
• 41:09
  Brown University is not only a state, but it's a federally declared gun free zone, meaning there's supposed to be no guns there.
• 41:16
  Well, okay, law enforcement obviously can have guns.
• 41:19
  But for everyone else, you're not supposed to have guns, yet there were guns at Brown University.
• 41:25
  Now we have another example up in uh in Brookline, Massachusetts.
• 41:29
  Now, again, if you don't know, Massachusetts has some very strict uh uh quote unquote gun control laws.
• 41:38
  And uh, but believe it or not, a a um a person uh as of this moment, I don't think he's been identified yet, shot a MIT professor uh in his home in Brookline, which is about 50 miles or so from actual Brown University.
• 41:57
  So it's his home, it probably is not a gun-free zone, but he got shot as well.
• 42:04
  Now, of course, this again should further reinforce the notion that gun laws only restrict restrict law abiding people.
• 42:13
  If you're not gonna follow the law, well, gun laws don't have a huge effect on you.
• 42:19
  And whether it's again, the shooting brown university, no guns, but there was a gun there, and somebody used it to commit uh a horrible act.
• 42:27
  Um, Massachusetts strictly regulates, you know, I I wouldn't, I'm not allowed to even touch a handgun in Massachusetts.
• 42:34
  I may not even be able to touch a long gun.
• 42:36
  I don't remember their laws.
• 42:37
  Um, I used to live right next door to Massachusetts, and I knew their laws a little better, but I think I could bring a long gun, like a rifle or a shotgun.
• 42:46
  But certainly not a handgun, not in a Massachusetts.
• 42:49
  And uh find it very interesting that, oh, yeah, but they still have murder because they're trying to fix the wrong problem.
• 42:58
  They're blaming the gun rather than the crazy individual that decided to use a weapon to cause harm.
• 43:06
  Because I wonder, remember when um Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked?
• 43:10
  Uh he wasn't attacked with a gun, but he got beat up pretty bad.
• 43:14
  Is it any better?
• 43:15
  Because, well, at least he didn't have a gun.
• 43:17
  I mean, it's it's the the irrationality, the the focus on the problem is the inanimate object.
• 43:26
  Uh again, what did Einstein say?
• 43:28
  Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result is definition of insanity.
• 43:32
  I guess we have our answer for that.
• 43:35
  But then I saw this article, and this again, this is nearby.
• 43:39
  This is uh Nashville, Tennessee, Davidson County, Tennessee.
• 43:43
  And it was really kind of a strange story.
• 43:45
  So it starts with U.S.
• 43:47
  Representative Andy Ogles, who uh posted on X about a Tennessee man who was charged with rape, uh raping an unconscious woman, um who I guess eventually she died.
• 44:03
  But what caught more national attention, besides the fact that it was uh uh uh you know a U.S.
• 44:08
  rep House of Representative member, it's the fact that the person accused had been arrested and released multiple times in Davidson County.
• 44:20
  Charges were dismissed.
• 44:22
  Now, I'm not sure those things, I don't know why they were dismissed, but this person happens to be in a Somali immigrant.
• 44:28
  And with all that's been going on in Minnesota, that of course brings attention.
• 44:33
  Now, am I saying that uh Mr.
• 44:35
  Ogles is using this for political means?
• 44:37
  I don't know, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if that's not at least in part of what was going on.
• 44:43
  But here we have Mr.
• 44:44
  Ogall's uh post.
• 44:45
  It says uh meet Mohammed A.
• 44:47
  Mohammed, he was recently caught allegedly raping a woman on the steps of a church in Nolansville Road in Nashville.
• 44:53
  He is a Somali migrant led in by Obama.
• 44:56
  Not only has this man been arrested over a dozen times, but he has had every case dismissed.
• 45:02
  Hmm.
• 45:04
  Now that uh believe it or not, is not the focus of the story that got my attention.
• 45:10
  Because this happens, right?
• 45:11
  And I don't care.
• 45:12
  It doesn't matter that he was Somali.
• 45:13
  I don't know the reasons why the charges were dismissed.
• 45:17
  I may uh I may speculate, but no, I'm I don't think so.
• 45:21
  I I want to know reasons.
• 45:22
  We want to deal with facts, not speculation.
• 45:26
  Oh, what got me attention?
• 45:27
  What got my attention was several judges of the Davidson County General Sessions Court demanded heightened security measures in response to Mr.
• 45:37
  Ogle's comments.
• 45:40
  And the fact that he was pointing out judges, again, a dozen cases, drugs, indecent exposure, criminal trespass, all of them dismissed by these judges.
• 45:53
  He claims that are Democrat judges.
• 45:55
  Again, I don't know the details, I'm not sure.
• 45:58
  But it does bring into question, or he's he's pointing the point again.
• 46:02
  Well, if we're going to let and I love the way he says, uh, as long as local liberals are running things in Middle Tennessee, we are at war.
• 46:09
  Well, first of all, Nashville is not all of Middle Tennessee.
• 46:13
  It's a small, I just I describe Tennessee as a pretty conservative state with three uh progressive Marxist pimples, one of which happens to be Nashville.
• 46:23
  Um, but because of that, because he pointed out that judges let this man free on a dozen charges.
• 46:29
  And again, he doesn't say why they were let free.
• 46:32
  He would just the charges were dismissed.
• 46:34
  Now these judges, um, I guess there's six in all, um, that that have that have done this.
• 46:41
  Now they want extra security.
• 46:43
  Now, question why do they need extra security?
• 46:49
  Well, Mr.
• 46:51
  Ogles pointed out uh what we've been doing.
• 46:53
  Oh, is it that you've been uh found out?
• 46:59
  Is it no what he said was law was wrong, but it's gonna lead people to the wrong idea.
• 47:04
  But what I find very interesting is I wonder, again, we're talking Davidson, Nashville, Tennessee, a very progressive city in this state, and they want extra security because of what someone said, but they're more like uh how willingly are they to follow the law that says, hey, I get to have my own security.
• 47:24
  I secure myself.
• 47:25
  I don't pay someone for my security, I secure myself.
• 47:31
  But again, Davidson County is not really known for its its um, let's say just say Nashville has a lot of uh gun control legislation that I thankfully don't deal with because it violates the Constitution of the United States and all the other nonsense.
• 47:47
  But I find it interesting how often people with government jobs feel the need to be protected from people knowing what's going on or for what they are doing, but they don't want other people to have the same thing, right?
• 48:04
  This is just like the the FOP, the fraternal order of police saying, well, gee, you know, we can't actually hold our law enforcement officers accountable for violating the rights of others.
• 48:16
  That wouldn't be right.
• 48:18
  I mean, we need the we need to be able to violate people's rights.
• 48:20
  I mean, that's not the way they put it.
• 48:22
  But when they say that uh listen, I have to police have to investigate to see whether your license is valid.
• 48:30
  That's assumed guilty until proven innocent.
• 48:33
  That's you're depriving people of their liberty while you do this background check without due process of law because there's no reasonable articulate suspicion that that license is false, it is fake.
• 48:44
  Now, if they have a reasonable, if they have probable cause to believe that license is fictitious, they're all set.
• 48:53
  This law that Congress is looking at, this legislation does not change that.
• 48:58
  It says right in there, if they've got probable cause to believe it's invalid, they can arrest the person.
• 49:04
  They can detain the person.
• 49:06
  But this idea of, well, wait a second, we can stop you, we can infringe on your rights, but we can't be held accountable, is again the way we end up with so many out of control police.
• 49:17
  You want to know why people hate police?
• 49:21
  Well, if they do these things and get away with it.
• 49:23
  Now I'm not saying all the claims against law enforcement are reasonable, right?
• 49:28
  I've seen plenty of examples of of people making claims that just don't make sense.
• 49:33
  For example, even George Floyd, if you look at all the evidence, you know, the media made it play up like the officer was kneeling on George Floyd's neck when you look at the body camp.
• 49:42
  No, he was kneeling on his shoulder when the uh uh was the coroner said that he he died from uh other health issues, not uh from you know any sort of suffocation.
• 49:55
  Doesn't matter.
• 49:57
  But how often?
• 49:58
  Oh, we need extra security because.
• 50:00
  It's been exposed that you let this guy go.
• 50:03
  Again, did you have a perfectly valid reason?
• 50:06
  If the answer is yeah, I had a perfectly valid reason.
• 50:08
  This, you know, maybe the police did something wrong and tamp and tainted some of the evidence.
• 50:14
  Maybe there was other reasons.
• 50:17
  But you want us to pay for your protection.
• 50:20
  What about the protection of the other people?
• 50:23
  And if Mr.
• 50:24
  Ogles is correct, and this person was let go, not for legal reasons, but for other reasons, what about his victims?
• 50:32
  What about their security?
• 50:35
  Should everyone in Davidson County now demand extra security because, well, these judges have let uh a potential criminal free.
• 50:44
  And what about this gentleman's rights?
• 50:46
  All right, he is assumed he's presumed innocent until proven guilty.
• 50:51
  So, okay, he was charged and let go, which means he's not been proven guilty of any of these allegations.
• 50:57
  The question is, were the judges playing politics versus well following the law.
• 51:05
  And I think that's something that in Davidson County they should pursue because if these judges are ignoring the law and it led to these consequences, well, then I think the judges should be held accountable.
• 51:15
  And I don't mean by having extra security.
• 51:18
  I mean by being impeached, possibly charged.
• 51:22
  It's the the the idea of reciprocity is not just between states, it's between states and county governments and their people.
• 51:32
  We empower you to enforce the law.
• 51:35
  We expect you to protect our rights, and that includes judges, uh, police officers, sheriff's deputies, even up to FBI agents.
• 51:46
  We entrust, we entrust you with the power to enforce the law.
• 51:51
  We expect a reciprocity.
• 51:52
  That is, you protect our rights.
• 51:56
  As I mentioned, uh, I think talking to Sheriff Mack.
• 52:00
  I mean, my the sheriff in this county is retiring, and uh I'm setting up meetings with both of the the candidates and um, you know, uh, I want to talk to them.
• 52:13
  I want to make sure that they're gonna protect my rights.
• 52:16
  That's my expectation.
• 52:17
  When a deputy shows up at my door, their first and primary job is to protect the rights of everyone involved.
• 52:23
  Now, I've had a deputy show up a couple of times, and again, everything was professional.
• 52:28
  The deputy knocked on the door, the deputy stood a respectful distance away.
• 52:33
  The the he did not try to to barge in.
• 52:36
  Everything was top notch.
• 52:38
  I give this deputy, I don't even know who he is, but I give him full marks.
• 52:43
  He was a professional.
• 52:44
  That's what I want.
• 52:46
  I don't want him showing up thinking he's got work to do and and if I exercise my rights, I'm in his way.
• 52:52
  I want to be protecting our rights and her, I mean, we got lady deputies as well.
• 52:56
  But I think that's my responsibility as a citizen is to question potential sheriffs and make sure of their agenda.
• 53:06
  Because that's the reciprocity I want.
• 53:08
  I want to empower them to enforce the law.
• 53:12
  And in response, reciprocity is they're there to protect the rights of myself, my family, my neighbors, the everyone in the county.
• 53:20
  And I think we need to look at them that way.
• 53:23
  We are employing them, empowering them, and we expect a reciprocal response of protecting our rights.
• 53:31
  Now, this idea of meeting the sheriff and talking, it surprised the first sheriff when I did it to him, because it's not something usual.
• 53:38
  But you know what?
• 53:39
  It was a chance for me to ask questions.
• 53:41
  And I think questions are very important to understand where people are, what they're doing, what they're thinking, what are they qualified for the job?
• 53:51
  If I'm going to hire a sheriff, if I'm going to help hire a sheriff, are they qualified?
• 53:57
  And I do that by asking questions.
• 53:59
  It's one of the reasons why I love when people ask me questions.
• 54:03
  One, because I love educating.
• 54:05
  I just love teaching people.
• 54:07
  I love the every opportunity I get to teach somebody something, whether it's, you know, uh, whether it's about the constitution, uh, I love, I've had several people where I've taught them gun safety.
• 54:17
  Um, I've I've even had a couple people I help with some dog training tips.
• 54:21
  I love teaching people.
• 54:23
  And when you ask a question, it does a couple things.
• 54:28
  It not only hopefully gets you an answer to a question, but it helps open me up.
• 54:34
  Am I communicate?
• 54:36
  Is my position correct?
• 54:38
  And am I communicating it correctly?
• 54:40
  Because that's important as a as a radio host, as a speaker, as a teacher.
• 54:45
  I have to understand not only do I have to provide correct information, but I have to provide it in a way that people can digest and use.
• 54:55
  It's one of the reasons why, you know, I I write in a very, you know, common language.
• 55:01
  Uh I don't write with the academic terminology unless I have to.
• 55:07
  And if I do, I try to explain it because I want my questions to be in to be something everybody can use.
• 55:13
  So if you want to ask a question, head to Constitution Study.com/slash questions.
• 55:19
  Um, I do ask for your name and email address because I will email you directly an answer.
• 55:25
  I will respond to you directly.
• 55:28
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• 55:31
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• 55:35
  Check that, and I'll answer it here as well.
• 55:37
  I'll still email you a direct response, but I'll also bring it up, which to me is good because if you have that question, other people probably do as well.
• 55:45
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• 55:51
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• 55:52
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• 55:59
  Um, you know, if you're just going to give me a uh a very uh argumentative, disrespectful, sometimes uh um, well, just call profanity laden question, I'm probably not going to answer that one.
• 56:13
  Thankfully, I've never had one go quite that far.
• 56:15
  But I'll I ask is a question.
• 56:17
  And and don't be afraid, I'm not here to embarrass you or do to to shame you.
• 56:22
  I want to educate you.
• 56:24
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• 56:28
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• 56:34
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