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How to BREAK THE RULES and THRIVE as a MULTI-PASSIONATE | Sabi Kerr · Soul Salon with Ayandastood

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  This is not the easy path, guys.
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  It's the courageous path, for sure.
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  One of my things I always say to all creatives and entrepreneurs is what do you think are the gifts of being a multi-passionate?
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  I actually haven't heard this being said anywhere else, but I will say so much of the blocks to letting yourself be successful, whatever successful means to you, or to thrive as a multi-passionate, it's not out there.
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  It's not even in your business strategy and in what you're doing.
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  It's in, are you giving yourself permission?
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  So for those of you that are flitting from thing to thing to thing, give yourself permission to drop the pressure, drop the expectation, let go of you needing this massive purpose and instead.
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  Am I good enough at this?
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  What does the world think of this?
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  Are you judging me for this?
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  What does the soul mean to you?
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  Multi-passionate, this is for you.
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  If you have been told you're too much, you have too many dreams, you need to focus on one thing, this conversation is a love letter to your multi-passionate, multi-dimensional soul.
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  We are so blessed to be guided by this queen beside me, Sabi Kerr, who is a self-love coach here to help us embody, express, and live our most magical, multi-passionate life, and I'm sure...
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  live our most magical, multi-passionate life and much, much more.
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  And there is so much that we get to learn through her and from her.
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  And I'm so excited to welcome Savi to the Soul Salon.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  I'm so excited to be here.
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  I am so honored to have you.
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  It's such a gift to have you in this space.
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  And the first question I would be honored to ask you is, what does the soul mean to you?
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  This deeper essence of who you are, of who you've always been before the world told you who you
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  Before you got all of these stories from outside telling you to be this, do this, impress other people.
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  It's like your truest essence.
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  Uncontaminated.
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  Yeah.
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  That is so juicy.
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  And I love how you like dropped into the question.
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  You were like, ooh, there's deeper essence.
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  And we felt you embodying that as well.
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  So I'm so curious, when do you feel most in touch with that deeper essence, that part of you that you were before anyone conditioned you out of it?
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  When I'm doing something in my body, when I'm dancing, you know, when I'm like, that's probably when I feel my most free.
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  When I'm listening to music, moving.
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  And interestingly,
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  Dancing as a child probably was my first spiritual experience without even realizing, knowing what those words meant.
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  The first time that I felt this sense of deeper connection, truly alive, truly like, wow, this feels amazing.
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  I want to do more of this.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, like a portal was opening.
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  Yes.
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  Something was opening.
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  And actually, when I think about how I'm sure we'll talk about it in this episode, but I continued to follow that thread.
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  And that actually really led me to what I'm doing now, I would say.
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  Yeah.
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  You followed the thread.
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  Oh, my word.
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  And so many of us lose touch with the thread.
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  Yeah.
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  But we know it when we feel it, right?
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  Yeah, we know it when we feel it.
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  I love that dance and movement.
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  And I love hearing people discuss the spiritual dimension of dance, which is what it always was, you know, and it still can be and is.
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  So that's so stunning.
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  And I'd love to hear for you, what connects you to that golden thread?
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  Like, what are the different ways your soul loves to express in this life?
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  Hmm.
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  The multiple things I love to do.
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  Yeah.
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  I love what I love.
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  And I love that we're talking about this today is that it's continually evolving.
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  You know, it's continually evolving and shifting.
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  And I'm like, I'm excited to see what other threads I discover.
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  But up until this current point in time, dance was my first love.
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  Dance is really my first love, my first portal into movement and expression and creativity.
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  I'm a coach, kind of as you described, but I've trained in lots of different modalities.
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  I'm a self-love and leadership coach, also a trained sex and relationships coach, done lots of work in embodiment, semantics.
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  What else am I?
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  I'm a yoga teacher, meditation teacher.
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  So I teach a lot in London.
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  I'm a DJ and I'm DJing a lot in London now as well.
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  And probably more things I've even forgotten, you know.
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  And what I love is that none of these things even feel separate.
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  They're all interlinked somehow, you know, they're all actually connected.
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  And one thing doesn't take away from the other thing.
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  Can we stay there with that?
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  Because I think most people don't view it that way, right?
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  They think, oh, I do this and I do this and I do this.
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  Can you tell us about this interconnectedness?
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  You are the person that's doing the things, the multiple things that might feel very different.
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  And so there is already the you that's embodying all of these things and often multi-passionate creatives that love many different things.
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  The things aren't even that different.
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  So I can use my things as an example.
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  Someone might come to me for coaching, but I'm not.
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  they're drawn to the coaching because I have a movement background, because I teach yoga and they're really into wellness, because they're probably a creative and love music and they love that I DJ and maybe there are multiple things that I can help them with.
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  And all of my different skills and all of the different threads actually come together to potentially support that one person with what they're moving through.
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  So it's a massive benefit to have all of these different
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  That's separate.
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  Ooh, ooh, that is juicy.
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  You took us there in such a tangible way.
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  That's so beautiful because it's like hearing, it's beautiful to hear both the, you know, that energy feeling of like dance and DJing and then also hear a tactical example of, oh, actually this is a way that me being a multi-passionate is extremely powerful.
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  beneficial to the collective in so many ways.
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  And so I just love what you're sharing.
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  I love the loves that you have, the meditation, the yoga, the DJing, the, I know you sound heal, you do sound healing.
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  I forgot about that.
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  Yeah.
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  See, like you hold events, like there's so many amazing, magical things.
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  And then I know a lot of us are also trying to sort of grapple or dance with this.
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  Like I'm not a human doing, I'm a human being.
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  And so where do you feel like that fits into this conversation as we are expressing ourselves as I do this and I do that and I do that?
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  You just said you are the one who integrates all.
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  So I'm curious, like, what do you think about as a meditation and yoga teacher as well?
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  Like staying connected as a multi passionate to the fact that we express ourselves in all these ways, but we're also not that I don't know.
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  Yeah, I this was a really important lesson for me because there's
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  Anything has pros and cons.
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  Anything has empowering parts and like shadow parts and things that feel challenging.
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  And I know for me, because I've always been such a multi-passionate creative soul, the blessing and the curse is that I'll start a new hobby.
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  And then suddenly it'll become my work like a year or two later, whether I plan for it to be or not, you know.
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  Which is amazing that we live in a world where that's even possible.
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  We find something we love to do.
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  It's just for fun.
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  And then we're able to make money out of it.
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  Incredible.
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  And that's the blessing.
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  The curse for me was my whole sense of identity was wrapped up in my work.
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  Because all of the things I love to do, I turned into my work.
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  I was like, who am I without these things?
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  Because all of the things I love are my work and I do them.
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  So if I have low income months or business isn't going well, or I don't feel so good and so I'm not able to work or whatever, for any reason, if work has a slow period, I'll be like, who am I?
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  I don't know who I am without it.
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  And I actually went through a really, really big burnout about two years ago that brought me to a place of...
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  It was a massive moment of realization where I was like, I need to find some detachment.
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  As much as I love all of these things so much, they are not totally who I am.
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  You know, I'm the soul beneath all of the things, actually.
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  And so I took a really big pause, a really, really long pause for a while.
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  And I said, I want to get myself to a place where I can love myself wholly and fully and deeply.
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  Whether I'm doing this work or not.
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  Can I still feel valuable and worthy if I'm not the successful coach, if I'm not the successful creative, if I'm not being seen in this way?
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  Can I still feel like, yeah, I love me.
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  I'm still incredible without all of the accolades and the like fancy things.
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  So that was a really, really deep period of inner work where I took a pause from business for a while.
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  And I see now how much I needed it.
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  I've been teaching women self-love all of this time, and yet some of my worth was still connected to my work.
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  You know, that was super, super powerful.
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  And I really kind of invite anyone that's doing heart-centered work that they love to do some of the inner work to release your deep attachment to it being all of who you are.
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  Because then when you feel that part of you, you can then come back to the work from a less attached place.
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  You don't need it to give you something.
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  You can actually serve in a better way.
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  Thank you so much for taking us there and explaining your own experience of overly identifying with what you do as who you are and where you get your worth and value from in the story you're telling yourself about your value and purpose in this life.
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  I think that trajectory you shared about going from loving something and having it as a hobby, this pure design interest to finding a way for it to be your work, monetizing it.
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  As you said, I think holding the duality of like, it's beautiful that we get to do that, but also it can change how we relate to that thing.
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  And I send so much love to that version of you who went through that burnout and who was feeling detached from her own like deeper worthiness.
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  But the fact that you've alchemized that and found your way through that forest of like...
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  Who am I if this isn't working, if this isn't working, right?
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  But it's working in another sense.
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  So I just appreciate you sharing that journey so much because I think so many of us can relate to that tension.
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  So I really appreciate that.
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  I definitely relate to that as someone who like struggles to detach who I am from how I am doing in an external sense and an internal sense in these roles.
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  So I definitely identify with that so deeply.
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  Thank you for sharing that.
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  I feel like...
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  Something that can seem so exciting can then become pressure and can become a fixed notion of what it's supposed to be.
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  My next question for you is, you said that these different expressions of the soul are not that different.
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  I found that such an interesting thing to say.
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  Can you say more about that?
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  For me, they all do come from the same place.
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  I think about that young version of me that went to her first dance class.
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  I just, I should probably tell you at some point, whether now or later, because I want to answer this question first, but my multi-passionate journey from then to now.
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  Please.
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  I think it will tie up.
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  Yes, that'd be lovely.
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  Should I go now?
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  Remind me of this question afterwards.
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  I will, absolutely.
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  Um, so I was 11, 12, 13, went to watch, did you watch the film Save the Last Dance?
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  I have watched it, but I don't remember it.
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  One of my favorite, my favorite films.
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  And that was the film that made me think, I want to dance.
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  Yeah.
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  I want to dance.
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  And after that, after watching that film, I remember coming out of the cinema with my friends and we were like, oh, should we go take ballet classes?
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  We were like 12 at the time.
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  My mom, my friend's mom found us a local ballet class and we went like we all went.
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  And I just remember being in that class and feeling that feeling of like the joy, the connectedness, the aliveness.
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  I was 12 and so I was just like, this feels good.
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  I want to keep doing it.
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  And my friends, I don't know, maybe lasted six months or whatever and then it wasn't for them or they didn't continue.
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  I stayed and throughout my teen years, I stayed.
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  Explored other styles of dance, everything really, contemporary, hip hop, jazz, tap, bit of everything.
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  Loved it.
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  And so there was this part of me that was super creative, wanting to explore, loved to move, loved the feeling that dance brought me.
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  And then there was the other part of me that was super academic, loved school, loved learning English, math, science.
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  I actually really enjoyed it.
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  which is all well and good when you're a child.
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  And then at some point in time, the world is like, now you have to pick, right?
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  And so I came to the end of school and the world says, now what are you going to do?
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  And it felt so annoying to me.
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  The me that was, I guess, 17, 18 at that time was like,
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  I kind of want to do both.
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  Is there a way that I can do both?
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  Obviously, if you go to university, you have to pick a subject.
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  There was a version of me that wanted to go and be a dancer.
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  And then the me that was like, maybe it'll be good to do a more academic, you know, university degree.
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  I was like, I'm going to find a way to do both.
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  I went to a dance college for a year.
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  I found one that I could go to for a year.
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  So at least get some full time dance training.
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  Like I needed that.
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  My soul needed that.
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  I just needed to experience that.
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  And then the next year I went to university and studied economics.
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  And it was a very maths heavy degree, a really good uni in London.
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  So like the total opposite to my previous year.
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  I also needed that.
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  I needed that.
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  I danced throughout uni still, actually.
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  My university had a really good dance society.
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  So I danced a lot and still had that part of me feeling fulfilled.
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  All well and good.
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  And then we come to the end of university and the world again asks, what are you going to pick now?
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  Now you need to decide what one thing are you going to do?
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  I still don't want to have to pick.
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  I still kind of want to explore both.
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  I again gave myself a little bit of space and grace.
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  And I was like, I know I need a year of dancing properly where that's my full focus.
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  It might not work out, you know, it's a very hard industry, but I just need to know that I've tried.
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  And so I'm young at this point, I'm 22, I guess.
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  So I spend a year dancing, going to auditions, you know, turning up.
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  8am on the truth, full face of makeup, going to these dance auditions where there's 100 women for three parts.
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  Brutal experience.
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  But I think it served me really well.
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  I did some little performing jobs here and there.
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  And I'm really glad I gave myself that time, you know.
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  And I had from uni, I'd been offered a job at PwC, Management Consulting.
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  So one of the big four professional services firms, a really good job.
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  I was like, let's give it a go.
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  I don't, this probably isn't my path, but I want to know that I've tried.
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  I gave it a go for about a year or a bit under a year.
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  I was like, okay, I don't think this is for me.
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  So I gave myself permission to keep exploring, which is I think something that maybe a lot of people don't do.
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  I knew that I really loved teaching and guiding because when I'd been dancing, I had been holding space for a lot of dance classes, teaching kids a lot.
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  I loved that.
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  So I thought maybe I'm supposed to be a teacher.
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  All right, let me train to be a primary school teacher.
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  Train to be a primary school teacher.
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  Taught a lot in London schools for a few years.
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  And I loved teaching.
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  I really did love teaching and I was really good at it.
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  I felt like I found something that I was like, I'm a really good space holder.
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  I'm good at facilitating and teaching and guiding.
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  But the school system is not the one.
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  It's just not the one.
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  It's...
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  Yeah.
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  And so I struggled with that side of it.
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  But I'd got some really good skills around about this time.
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  I was going through massive breakup and I was also on my own kind of spiritual path and getting really into yoga.
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  And I went and did my first yoga teacher training.
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  This was about almost 10 years ago now.
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  And still did some school teaching, supply teaching alongside.
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  Came back from India after my yoga teacher training, started teaching yoga all over London.
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  I was like, wow, I love this.
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  I love this.
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  And I want to take people deeper.
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  And so I kept following that thread and ended up doing my first life coaching certification.
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  Loved it.
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  Loved holding space in that way.
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  And then it was like, and I want to be able to guide people through relationship stuff and sexuality stuff.
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  Did some more trainings.
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  And I was still dancing in my own time.
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  And I was like, I want to support women to like feel connected to their bodies as well as their life goals.
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  And started to integrate movement and dance into my work.
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  And really that's continued up until now.
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  what feels really alive in me um what feels like the next right step and what I've noticed when I look back is right from the start that little kid in the ballet class all of those skills somehow come together to what I do now so actually this kind of does answer your question it's like what
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  Each part along the journey has been useful for my current work in a way that I had no idea at the time.
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  You know, when I think about the work that I do now, my teaching absolutely helps.
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  Right.
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  I'm guiding people every day.
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  Even management consulting like that helps.
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  You know, I got experience working in a big corporate firm.
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  It helps me with the business side.
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  The dance I'm still able to do now.
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  Like everything in my past life and work has supported me with the work that I do now.
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  And I really love to remind people that think that it was a waste of time doing that thing because they want to do this other thing.
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  Like everything is connected and every skill helps you with what you're doing now more than you ever realize.
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  Hmm.
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  Oh, that was so powerful.
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  It's such a gift to witness your journey like told through you and from that little girl in that dance class and feeling that feeling of, oh, I like this and that aliveness as that thread that you followed.
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  And I just really admire the exploration, the openness of, oh, let me try this.
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  Oh, let me honor this part of myself.
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  Let me, you know, I do love the academic side.
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  So let me honor this, but I want to keep dancing.
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  And
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  It seems like you were very in touch with yourself at all these stages.
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  I really have to shout out like teenage Savvy because I don't know what gave her that courage actually to do something quite different and to be like,
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  I want to try and do both, you know.
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  It's quite a courageous thing for young me to do.
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  Like, shout out to my mum as well for supporting that, you know, for allowing me the space to explore both of those things.
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  And I think it's because she knew that I worked hard.
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  Whatever path I was exploring, like, I worked hard.
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  I gave it my all.
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  And I think she could see that.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, shout out to your mom.
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  Shout out to younger you and shout out to your friend's mom who said, oh, you love this movie.
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  Let's book you all a class.
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  It all takes little guides along the way.
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  But yeah, I really admire your younger self's courage as well.
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  Do you feel like she knew she was being courageous or it was just the most obvious thing to her?
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  I don't even think she knew she was being courageous.
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  I think she was just following the thread.
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  And that has been something that stays with me.
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  And if I was to continue that story up until now, I would even bring it up to the, because I'm a DJ now as well.
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  And it's not like it's not my full time job, but it's started as a, funnily enough.
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  I, so one of my things I always say to all creatives and entrepreneurs is if you've turned every
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  hobby into your work you need a new hobby we must must whatever camera I'm looking at we must have at least one thing that's just for us for our soul for our joy for our creativity that we're not trying to pay our rent with right because the fact of the matter is as soon as we start to make money from our passions our relationship with it changes
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  It's inevitable and it's totally fine.
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  It's the way things work, right?
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  Our relationship to it changes because it's not just a pure creative outlet.
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  It's something that we're now expecting to make a living from.
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  And that's beautiful and incredible.
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  And for our own creativity and our joy and our pleasure, it's really, really powerful to have a creative outlet that's just for us, just for us to drop into that sense of play, the...
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  12 year old me in the ballet class.
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  That essence is what we all need to be connected to.
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  So I was like, I need some new hobbies.
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  I've always wanted to DJ.
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  I've always loved music, always loved dancing, obviously.
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  And for a long time, I'd have been like,
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  I want to learn how to DJ.
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  Then I caught myself saying it again.
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  I was like, Savvy, you've said this to yourself for years.
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  It's about time you learn, you know?
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  And I started learning really just for fun.
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  I went to some classes in London.
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  And I gave myself permission.
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  This is just for my joy, just for fun, just for... And I loved it.
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  I was able to tap back into that younger me in the dance class in a really beautiful organic way.
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  And over time, what naturally happens a lot of the time is if you stick with anything for long enough, you're going to obviously get better at it.
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  You're going to keep doing it.
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  It's probably going to lead somewhere.
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  And so what started as really just a fun hobby has turned into something more.
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  And I'm now able to do some really amazing DJ gigs.
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  I'm like, wow.
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  wow, this is for my inner child.
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  Like when I'm DJing, this is like for my inner child.
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  And so that's been beautiful to even in the last few years to kind of watch that journey with DJing.
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  And I'm also like, right, okay, if you're making money from DJ gigs now, we also need to make sure we still have a hobby where we're not making money from, you know.
• 23:37
  So I pole dance, I roller skate too.
• 23:39
  I haven't done that for a little while.
• 23:42
  I make sure I go to dance classes just for me, you know, because we need that.
• 23:46
  We really, really need that.
• 23:48
  Oh my goodness, such a turned on, like, solgasmic life you're living.
• 23:52
  It feels like so in touch with this, like, flow of, like, creative and therefore, like, I feel it's like a very sensual and sexual energy of, like, being in touch with what lights you up, staying in touch with the thread and really nurturing that part of you that deserves to keep feeling alive and feel like you have the space for yourself.
• 24:09
  That advice you gave to us all, it's just so critical to have that space that's just for us.
• 24:14
  What would you say to someone who has these multiple passions?
• 24:17
  but hasn't yet actually experienced receiving money from them.
• 24:20
  Like that's actually what they're dreaming of is like, wow, that would be amazing.
• 24:24
  You know, I love writing and I write every single day, but I've never had like someone, this is an example, but they're thinking I've never had someone offer me money for my writing or offer me money for my dancing.
• 24:36
  And they're just dreaming of that.
• 24:37
  Yeah.
• 24:38
  Is there anything you'd say to them in that regard?
• 24:40
  Yeah.
• 24:40
  Yeah, a couple of things.
• 24:43
  Sometimes it's hard to know unless I know a specific person, you know, but whenever we're putting ourselves out into the world creatively, so much of it when it comes to us wanting to monetize our creative passions, so much of it is mindset and how much we let ourselves be seen and how much we let ourselves take up space and claim that these incredible passions and skills that I've got are...
• 25:08
  worthy of being like monetized and I should be charging for this um and so I really would recommend every creative soul do some deep work around their worth and charging and making money and really root into the like this I I can make money from this work like
• 25:30
  I'm good enough to charge for this because that is a potential blocker for so many people.
• 25:36
  Right.
• 25:39
  And then if you get to a space where you're like, no, I really, really feel confident and I know I can charge money for this.
• 25:45
  then create a plan you know like create a plan if it's writing like write that newsletter once a week you know share your sub stack or sub stack online like like let yourself be seen and be visible with the things that you love to do network make connections collaborations if you stick at anything for long enough
• 26:09
  the results will come.
• 26:11
  Like they absolutely will.
• 26:15
  We're not always in control of the when and we're not always in control of the journey to that point and we're not always in control of how many failures it's going to take for us to get there.
• 26:31
  you know yeah thank you so much for that it's a little bit of an aside but it is so resonant to so many people i love what you said worthiness visibility and rooting into that like deeper worthiness to receive and then from that place also that like plan and that commitment devotion over time um and having that sort of blend soul and strategy so i'm sure um if people want to tap deeper into a multi-passionate sort of abundant life they can tap into working with you maybe one
• 27:01
  Um, but a question that I wanted to ask you, because you've been talking about following the thread and how you feel DJing and just this really beautiful, I'm just getting this feeling of like, Ooh, like this person is living life so magically.
• 27:13
  So I'd love to hear you speak about what do you think are the gifts of being a multi-passionate?
• 27:18
  I just love this topic.
• 27:19
  So many gifts.
• 27:20
  So many gifts.
• 27:21
  So many gifts.
• 27:22
  So many gifts.
• 27:24
  I, yeah, ran a masterclass on this last week.
• 27:28
  And so I'd love to maybe take you through some of the benefits that people forget.
• 27:34
  And because we're really fed the story of...
• 27:38
  you need to pick one thing or you're scattered.
• 27:41
  If you're multi-passionate, you're all over the place or it's not the norm.
• 27:45
  And so people not that connected to the power of being a multi-passionate and all of the gifts.
• 27:51
  The first gift I would say is your creativity is massively expanded because one creative outlet very likely will fuel another creative outlet.
• 28:02
  I might be dancing.
• 28:04
  and I'll get like an idea for my coaching business that I want to go and create later.
• 28:09
  I might be DJing and something will come through.
• 28:12
  I might be teaching yoga.
• 28:13
  And after the yoga class that I've taught, I'm feeling really alive, connected to my students.
• 28:18
  I'll then sit on my laptop and be in a better headspace to create whatever I'm creating next.
• 28:23
  And so you being in your creative flow state with one thing is very likely going to pour into the other things.
• 28:31
  Your creativity massively expands.
• 28:33
  You know, there are no walls to creativity.
• 28:38
  It's like overflowing and interlinking.
• 28:41
  So that's a massive benefit.
• 28:44
  Another benefit is you are able to have access to lots of different audiences.
• 28:53
  And so your networking circle massively expands.
• 28:57
  And the thing is, business is always built on relationships and you do not need to
• 29:05
  niche down and have a very set thing in your Instagram bio and this is the only thing you do if you're really good at networking because chances are and I can give some real life examples someone you meet in one setting will likely get to know you like you trust you feel your expertise in that area and then if they need something in this other area and they realize oh you do it
• 29:32
  they're going to think of you.
• 29:34
  And so I have had coaching clients that have come from my yoga classes.
• 29:39
  I have had coaching clients that have then come, you know, to events.
• 29:45
  I have had people, even from DJ gigs that I've kind of met in the crowd and talked afterwards that have then want to come and do other work with me.
• 29:55
  I have got DJ gigs that's,
• 29:57
  through wellness contacts.
• 29:59
  They haven't heard me DJ, I could be a shit DJ.
• 30:02
  I could be terrible, I could be absolutely awful.
• 30:04
  But they know me and they think, oh, Sammy's an amazing yoga teacher, she's reliable, she's really good at what she does in this area, we trust her, she's probably gonna do a good job here as well, right, so much of what we do
• 30:16
  in entrepreneurship and creativity is built on relationships and if you've already got those relationships and then there's this other outlet or this other thing that you want to do like those people are probably going to be able to help you with those things too um that's the networking piece it is really really good for diversifying risk
• 30:37
  Just like investing, you know, you're supposed to diversify your portfolio.
• 30:41
  It's the same if you're an entrepreneur.
• 30:44
  If you only do one thing and that's it, when business is slow, it's going to feel really scary.
• 30:50
  Whereas if you have multiple things to pull from...
• 30:54
  It actually creates stability over time in a really powerful way.
• 30:58
  What else?
• 30:59
  I love those so much as you're thinking that they're like just to make sure that we're staying with you.
• 31:03
  These are so powerful.
• 31:05
  The expanded creativity that was so beautiful of like just feeling like.
• 31:09
  We're always expanding our capacity.
• 31:11
  Ideas are dropping in as you're dancing, as you're DJing.
• 31:13
  It's always feeding each other this flow state.
• 31:16
  I loved that.
• 31:17
  This, I never want to lose touch with this metaphor you gave of like this ocean and this like, poor, it was so cool.
• 31:23
  You said something and I was like, oh, I want to write that down.
• 31:26
  That's so magical.
• 31:27
  And then.
• 31:28
  Uh, the, so you said the first was creativity.
• 31:31
  The second, that was about expanding, expanding your network.
• 31:35
  Okay.
• 31:35
  Because you're exposed to so many audiences.
• 31:37
  That was really powerful too.
• 31:39
  People don't talk about that.
• 31:40
  And then, like you said, how your mom believed in you because you showed up with a certain energy.
• 31:44
  This, you know, student is like, oh my word.
• 31:46
  If she's like this as a yoga teacher and she also coaches, this is the coach for me, you know, because I trust her.
• 31:52
  I trust how she holds space.
• 31:53
  I trust how she lovingly pours into us as students.
• 31:57
  And I'd love to experience that one on one.
• 31:59
  And so you're sharing a frequency and that frequency keeps resonating.
• 32:04
  And then when someone thinks of that craft, they want to experience your frequency in that craft, you know.
• 32:09
  So you're like carrying this beautiful and powerful energy around.
• 32:13
  And then this risk diversification is so true.
• 32:16
  Especially we mentioned, you mentioned it in terms of if the business is doing, you know, poorly or you're not receiving in the way you want to.
• 32:24
  And then also energetically, if you're like just not feeling lit up by that, maybe you're blocked in your novel writing, maybe you're podcasting, you put on this huge pedestal, but right now it's kind of feeling like, eh, at least if you have something else, you can flow and float and yeah, right.
• 32:38
  These ebbs and flows.
• 32:39
  So thank you for those.
• 32:40
  And then if you do have any more,
• 32:42
  Yeah, I think more on the human level, you know, because the diversifying risk is quite a strategic thing.
• 32:48
  The networking, like we're thinking about strategy here, but on a human level, on a soul level.
• 32:55
  We shift and evolve over time.
• 32:57
  As humans, we shift and evolve.
• 32:58
  It's natural.
• 32:59
  Our interests are going to naturally evolve over time, of course, right?
• 33:05
  And so actually it's crazy to expect us to do one thing and one thing only for our whole life.
• 33:11
  Like the multi-passionate journey supports our human nature in a really, really beautiful way.
• 33:18
  And I've seen time and time again those things
• 33:21
  people that really, really niche down, even the really successful entrepreneurs that made a lot of money, they will inevitably get to a point where they plateau and they get really scared, terrified of change because they've locked themselves in this one niche.
• 33:39
  People only know them for doing that.
• 33:40
  And so it feels really terrifying to listen to that part in their soul that's like, I kind of want to try this other thing.
• 33:47
  because that's all they've ever done.
• 33:49
  Whereas us multi-passionates, it's like it's in our nature to give ourselves permission to explore these things.
• 33:55
  And so pivoting comes much more naturally.
• 33:58
  Changing direction comes more naturally.
• 34:00
  Taking a pause comes more naturally.
• 34:02
  Giving ourselves the permission to explore other avenues, you know, comes more naturally.
• 34:08
  So there's definitely that on a human level, the gift of just embracing your natural evolution.
• 34:13
  And then as well,
• 34:15
  being multi-passionate supports your natural flow if you are and not everyone is right some people do just want to do one thing and one thing only amazing like if that's you amazing for you it probably isn't you if you're watching this episode because you like probably clicked on it because the title resonated it is um
• 34:35
  But for those that are genuinely multi-passionate, it's probably within your true nature to explore multiple things, to have a love for multiple different passions and skills.
• 34:46
  And you probably have many different gifts.
• 34:49
  And so just notice in your body, how does it feel to restrict that and to say to yourself, I'm only going to do this thing or I can't do these other things because the world won't understand it.
• 34:59
  you are going to quite literally contract you're going to feel restricted you're going to feel like you can't be who you fully are and are you truly successful if you can't be who you fully are and you're like carrying that restriction with you all day long you know we're rewarded for being who we are we're rewarded for following the natural flow of what feels true and right for us the world will feel it you're
• 35:25
  You know, people will feel our energy when we're being fully in alignment.
• 35:29
  And so for multi-passionates, that's the invitation to be fully in alignment with who you actually are and let the world see that.
• 35:36
  So beautiful.
• 35:37
  That's so beautiful.
• 35:38
  I love the way you talk about this.
• 35:39
  It's so enlivening and it makes me feel like very seen and very like a lot of resonance with this because.
• 35:45
  Yeah.
• 35:46
  I love how you said that multi-passionate ism is more, it's very in line with human nature.
• 35:52
  It's an expression of human nature and this image of like a blossoming that just keeps, you know, it's a forest that just, you know, it keeps wanting, maybe now it wants to be a flower.
• 36:01
  Maybe it wants to be a tree, a leaf, you know, a bird, but it's the same creative energy, but expressing itself in these beautiful ways that then is an ecosystem that feeds into each other.
• 36:11
  And it's such a beautiful gift to be able to be a multi-passion in this life, even though it may be misunderstood.
• 36:17
  And then what you said about...
• 36:20
  trusting change and evolution as part of the multi-passionate spirit versus fearing this idea of change.
• 36:26
  I think that's such a gift that we do carry.
• 36:29
  There's a key word you've used a couple of times that I really want to tap into because you've said the word permission.
• 36:36
  And as a multi-passionate, I feel like that word, that is so much we are seeking.
• 36:40
  So can you tell us more about permission?
• 36:43
  So much of the blocks to letting yourself be successful, whatever successful means to you, or to thrive as a multi-passionate, it's not out there.
• 36:55
  It's not even in your business strategy and in what you're doing.
• 36:58
  It's in are you giving yourself permission to do all of these things that you love?
• 37:04
  Or are you stopping yourself, blocking yourself, and not allowing yourself to move forwards?
• 37:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:10
  So much of it is that because the moment you fully own, like this is me, this is what I want to do, the world will receive you that way.
• 37:20
  And it's really interesting because I think to myself, I actually...
• 37:27
  I very rarely get pushback.
• 37:31
  I very rarely get the feeling of like, oh, someone's judging me or they're thinking like, oh, like, Sabi's weird for doing all this stuff.
• 37:39
  But I know it's because I own it.
• 37:42
  I like, I own it, like I celebrate it.
• 37:44
  I think it's really cool that I do all of these things.
• 37:47
  I'm really proud of it.
• 37:48
  And when you go to anyone with that energy, they're going to receive it in that way.
• 37:53
  Always, always.
• 37:55
  If you go to someone and you're like, oh, I kind of do this and I kind of do that, that's how they're going to receive it, right?
• 38:02
  Whereas if you go out into the world fully owned, this is me, I'm a this, but I also do this and I love this.
• 38:10
  And that's how they're going to receive it.
• 38:12
  And quite likely people are also going to be like, oh, I kind of wish I could do that too, you know, because I believe that.
• 38:21
  Actually, most people in their soul are multi passionate.
• 38:25
  The world has just conditioned us to pick one thing and follow a conventional path.
• 38:31
  Most people, it's in our human nature to enjoy multiple things and to explore multiple different passions.
• 38:37
  Yes, exactly.
• 38:38
  Wow.
• 38:38
  It's really the systems we live in, like capitalism and colonialism, supremacy that have told us, because it obviously profits those systems, that we have to be this one thing and put our whole life's energy and purpose and meaning into this one thing.
• 38:52
  And also that has convinced us to ask for less, because of course, if you have one passion, then, you know, your free time, you're going to think, oh, well, I only have this one passion.
• 39:03
  But now if you have multiple passions, you're asking for more spaciousness to really feed into those.
• 39:07
  So that just came to me.
• 39:09
  But yes, absolutely.
• 39:10
  The energy that you own, it's so even the way you said, I'm at this, but I also do this and I love this.
• 39:15
  I'm
• 39:15
  I'm like, oh, if I met someone like that, I'd be like, oh, tell me more.
• 39:18
  That's amazing.
• 39:19
  So it is such a law of attraction thing of like putting out that energy of confidence and even maybe practicing doing mirror work and saying it to yourself.
• 39:27
  Because I think one of the multi-passionate like social fears is asking like, what do you do?
• 39:32
  Because it's like, so how have you helped people express themselves in a way that feels natural, express who they are in language that can hold all of them?
• 39:42
  And so, yeah, first of all, definitely, I love what you said about the self work.
• 39:46
  We can do the mirror work.
• 39:47
  Practice owning yourself in front of the mirror with how you stand, with how you speak.
• 39:53
  What's your body language like?
• 39:54
  What's your tone like?
• 39:55
  What's the volume of your voice like?
• 39:57
  Practice journaling, writing it out down, like writing it down and really claiming and owning all of these different parts of you.
• 40:04
  When it comes to introducing yourself, I actually haven't heard this being said anywhere else.
• 40:10
  But I will say, you've got permission to modify your elevator pitch, depending on who's in front of you.
• 40:17
  Like permission.
• 40:18
  If you're a multi-passionate and you do 10 different things, of course, you can eventually share with them all of the things that you do.
• 40:26
  But if you're at a networking event, for example, like who's in the room?
• 40:32
  Like what part of you do you want to be the primary part that's seen in that space?
• 40:39
  We get to make the rules.
• 40:42
  You know, you don't have to have one set 30 second pitch that you repeat to every single person.
• 40:47
  Because probably there's going to be different people that you'll want to share different parts of yourself with.
• 40:54
  And of course, after that initial introduction, you can also explain the other things you do and they'll find out more things about you anyway.
• 41:01
  Absolutely.
• 41:02
  Oh, I love that.
• 41:03
  Love that.
• 41:03
  Love that.
• 41:03
  And what you said, I actually didn't respond to the permission, permission invitation you gave to each of us.
• 41:08
  That is so powerful.
• 41:09
  It is so often what we're telling ourselves is possible that we're allowed to experience that we're allowed to want.
• 41:16
  I mean, I've.
• 41:17
  Even I am a multi-passionate, but I've gone through this in so many ways.
• 41:20
  Like I love, I love singing, but I told myself, well, I'm, I'm doing the podcast.
• 41:25
  So like, I, and, and now I'm going through this invitation of like, you can do many, many things.
• 41:29
  And I'm making my first song and like that felt, yes, thank you.
• 41:33
  And I'm like.
• 41:34
  It's so possible, but it didn't, I had a limited mindset.
• 41:37
  I didn't know.
• 41:37
  I thought you could do it in multiple seasons, but you can do so much also in one season.
• 41:42
  Like there's, there's both.
• 41:43
  And, um, so it's been so divine that you're coming into the space at this time because it's really this reclamation of like what my little younger self loved and, um,
• 41:54
  um, acting.
• 41:54
  And I also do improv and like all these ways we get to just be so many expressions of ourselves and of creativity.
• 42:01
  Um, and it just feels like so delicious that we even get to have these conversations and get to live life in touch with all this creative energy.
• 42:09
  It makes me feel so excited.
• 42:10
  I'm like, ah,
• 42:12
  Yeah.
• 42:12
  I love this because I see how that's also connected to what you're doing with the podcast.
• 42:17
  In the podcast, you're sharing your magic, your light, your voice with the world.
• 42:22
  And you singing and releasing a song is just another iteration of the same thing.
• 42:27
  You know, the different modality of expression, but the same thing.
• 42:33
  I'm excited to hear your music.
• 42:34
  Thank you.
• 42:35
  And also, one thing is very likely going to support the other thing.
• 42:39
  People might find you through your music for the first time and then they'll be like, I want to listen to her podcast.
• 42:44
  Yeah.
• 42:44
  Or your current community that love the podcast will be like, I definitely want to listen to him.
• 42:49
  Yes.
• 42:50
  Yes.
• 42:51
  Yeah, it's so true.
• 42:52
  It's so beautiful.
• 42:53
  It's like you were saying earlier where, you know, looking back now, you can see how everything you've ever done has supported all that you are nourishing now.
• 43:01
  So, yeah, I love that so much.
• 43:03
  We're taught to think in boxes and separation, but it's all so interconnected and interlinked.
• 43:09
  And it's so true what you said about the podcast, the music.
• 43:12
  And I, what you said about ideas dropping in in different mediums that really resonated with me because sometimes I'm like working on something on my laptop and then a song just comes in.
• 43:20
  We've all felt that like music comes to us and it's just, especially, yeah, especially for songwriters.
• 43:28
  And if there are any more musicians or songwriters in particular or poets or writers, your creativity comes from lived experience.
• 43:38
  Yeah.
• 43:39
  So if you're not living, you're not going to be creating art.
• 43:42
  Absolutely.
• 43:42
  You're not going to be creating your best art, right?
• 43:44
  It will be art that is forced and like, whereas if you're out living, embracing your passions, embracing all that you are, like enjoying life fully.
• 43:55
  you are much more likely to have your best art come through because the ideas are going to flow through you.
• 44:01
  Yes.
• 44:01
  Oh, my word.
• 44:02
  I love that so much.
• 44:03
  Your art comes from living and experiencing life.
• 44:06
  And Olivia Dean said this really cool thing in an interview where she said when she writes songs with people, what she prefers is like, let's have a tea.
• 44:14
  Let's have a chat.
• 44:14
  Let's chat for hours.
• 44:16
  And like spend like three to four hours just talking about life.
• 44:18
  And then we'll write the song in an hour because we've just lived the song or it just it resonated so deeply.
• 44:23
  I was like, oh, my word.
• 44:24
  Yeah, that's powerful.
• 44:25
  It's so true.
• 44:26
  It comes from living.
• 44:27
  And even for people that might not consider themselves as creatives, artists, writers, singers, but maybe you're an entrepreneur.
• 44:36
  And so you have to write music.
• 44:38
  content for Instagram or content for your newsletter even that type of content is more likely to flow through naturally when it comes from lived experience when you have the embodied experience of it because then you're not trying forcing the content it's going to naturally flow through you when you sit to write so it's really for anyone that wants to share
• 45:01
  Some form of expression in the world.
• 45:05
  Oh, so true.
• 45:06
  Yes, absolutely.
• 45:07
  So many different.
• 45:09
  Yeah.
• 45:09
  And also, I mean, for example, my older brother, he's a software developer, but he also loves gaming.
• 45:15
  And I feel like there's different ways of being a multi-passionate that I think...
• 45:21
  It could be this like spiritual mystical side or it could be very different.
• 45:24
  There's so many ways to be.
• 45:26
  And he also loves dancing.
• 45:27
  And so there's like, but he wouldn't call himself a multi-passionate.
• 45:30
  Like if you asked him, he'd be like, this is why I truly believe everyone is multi-passionate.
• 45:35
  I think it's true.
• 45:36
  I believe everyone is.
• 45:37
  Not everyone needs to.
• 45:40
  want to make a living from it.
• 45:41
  Yeah, exactly.
• 45:42
  They can be perfectly happy in their nine to five and enjoy their job and they don't want to have a business, but they have other things on the side that they really, really love doing that are part of them too.
• 45:54
  Yeah, as you were saying that, both my brothers love DJing.
• 45:57
  And so they're all, I mean, the oldest one, Daphne knows he's a multi-passionate, but yeah, it's so true.
• 46:01
  We're all multi-passionates.
• 46:03
  Some of us are like closeted multi-passionates.
• 46:05
  Yeah.
• 46:06
  um oh my word brilliant okay so I would love this space I feel like I love talking about the unseen the mystical the like who like I'm curious what you think if anything is the like cosmic why did the universe manifest as multi-passionate it's like what do you think is our cosmic purpose on earth
• 46:28
  Multi-passionates are visionaries.
• 46:31
  Multi-passionates have a unique way of bringing things together.
• 46:37
  And that's how new ideas come into creation, right?
• 46:41
  New things that have never been created before, that have never been built before, come from this interconnectedness of different mediums, this new way of seeing the world.
• 46:52
  So I believe it's that, you know.
• 46:54
  For us to naturally evolve...
• 46:57
  We can't just keep doing things the way we've always done them, you know.
• 47:00
  So multi-passionates allow new incredible ideas and creations to blossom.
• 47:06
  The benefit of humanity.
• 47:08
  We need it.
• 47:09
  We are needed.
• 47:10
  Yes, it's so beautiful.
• 47:12
  Oh, yes.
• 47:12
  And as you're saying that, what came through is also I love that so much.
• 47:15
  Like we are...
• 47:17
  We bring these different aspects together.
• 47:18
  And also we are the revelation that all those aspects are connected because the human mind like creates separation, but that doesn't exist.
• 47:25
  And so the multi-passionate stands as this like truth that like actually DJing sound vibration frequency is completely interconnected with healing meditation, you know, with business, with creating an abundant life for yourself, with coaching, with leadership.
• 47:40
  It's like, it is oneness and the multi-passionate stands as like the living, breathing embodiment of oneness.
• 47:46
  which I think is so amazing.
• 47:47
  I love that.
• 47:48
  And I love that you even just said that with DJing because, you know, I explained my DJing path earlier, but it's been really cool sometimes when I've been DJing and I felt this is the same as my other work.
• 48:00
  It's just a different medium, right?
• 48:02
  Holding space for people to heal, to connect,
• 48:05
  to be in their joy, to be in the essence of who they are.
• 48:09
  You're guiding and facilitating a room in a very different way, you know, not using your voice.
• 48:13
  And you're taking people on a journey back to themselves.
• 48:18
  And it feels like the same essence.
• 48:22
  I'm just sharing it in a different way.
• 48:24
  And I can see that for you when you're singing or if you are performing, right, you're helping people feel something.
• 48:31
  You're helping people connect to themselves.
• 48:33
  You're helping people feel their emotions and a part of them.
• 48:36
  You're helping them heal just like you are on the podcast.
• 48:41
  Oh, I love it.
• 48:42
  Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 48:43
  Oh, the way you describe DJing and holding space, that feeling of, oh, this is just the same.
• 48:48
  That's so profound.
• 48:49
  Like that gives me chills.
• 48:50
  Like this kind of also bends reality and time because it's like I'm DJing, but it's like I'm also in the meditation room.
• 48:57
  I'm also in my coaching one-on-ones.
• 48:59
  I'm like, I'm all these, this is all one with all of it.
• 49:02
  You know, healing doesn't have to be in a cave in the Himalayas, right?
• 49:07
  Like we get to heal in the middle of,
• 49:10
  London in the busy city, you know, and some of the best healers are DJs and singers that touch people that don't even know what the word spiritual means.
• 49:20
  That people would never even think I'm going to meditate, but they listen to a song or they go to a club and they feel this sense of connection and healing without them needing to do traditional spiritual practices, you know, because healing is for everyone.
• 49:35
  And so it's really beautiful that there are so many ways that people can access that.
• 49:42
  I'm so curious, what has DJing taught you about like energy?
• 49:47
  Because you are continually reading the room.
• 49:51
  And I, it's funny, actually, I was teaching a yoga class and...
• 49:56
  a few days ago, and I remember thinking of the DJ similarity.
• 50:02
  I was teaching this yoga class, and it was quite a busy one, and you're continually reading the room, like, how are these people...
• 50:09
  responding to what I'm giving out, to what I'm saying.
• 50:12
  Are they struggling?
• 50:14
  Are they tired?
• 50:15
  Do they feel energized?
• 50:16
  Do they need something different?
• 50:18
  Do I need to change up the flow or the sequence a little?
• 50:20
  Do I need to go slower?
• 50:23
  So you're continually reading people's energy in a split second.
• 50:27
  You know, you don't have a very long amount of time and it's continually shifting.
• 50:30
  For example, in a one hour vinyasa class, the energy is continually shifting.
• 50:39
  it's a skill that comes over time, you know, doing something over time and, you
• 50:46
  DJing feels very similar.
• 50:48
  You're looking, you're watching the room.
• 50:50
  How are people responding to the song selection, to the pace?
• 50:55
  Like, do they need something different?
• 50:56
  Do I need to stay here a bit longer?
• 50:58
  Do I need to shift things?
• 51:00
  And so it is this continuous check-in with the people that are in front of you and where they're at.
• 51:06
  What are the little cues you're looking for?
• 51:08
  For DJing or for...
• 51:10
  It also depends on what kind of an event it is, you know, if it's...
• 51:15
  an event that's more chill then you might not have so many cues if it's just like a background music people are chatting but if it's like a club where you're wanting people to dance it's are they dancing are they connected to themselves is there a big pause where they kind of stop and they look
• 51:32
  bored um do they seem engaged in in the music and where the energy is going are they leaving the room are they clearing the dance floor are they going to the other room yes and in a yoga class i'm sure it's very subtle are they taking a lot of pauses which sometimes you know people can pause whenever it whenever it is that they need to what's the expression on their face you know do they look connected do they seem connected does it seem like they're really struggling
• 52:03
  um do they yeah seem like they're like enjoying the the session um so I guess facial expressions um body's response um rest you know versus leaving like all of these little things that I think just come with
• 52:25
  over time, beginning to notice.
• 52:27
  Wow, I ask because I feel like as students of things, we never think that that's happening, you know, that there's this dialogue.
• 52:33
  I would also say that it's...
• 52:35
  I'm not consciously like, oh, this, they're doing this and this.
• 52:39
  Totally.
• 52:39
  It's like a split second.
• 52:40
  Yeah, a gift.
• 52:41
  I'm not even just...
• 52:44
  I guess it is a gift that comes with time of holding space for so long in so many different capacities.
• 52:52
  And this is why I say all of our past experience helps us, from teaching dance to kids to primary school.
• 52:59
  If you can teach 30 kids in the most disadvantaged schools in London, you can hold space for anyone, no problem, right?
• 53:05
  Because you're continually reading those cues.
• 53:08
  And so yoga classes to, you know, really big coaching events and and, you know, DJing and like they all support each other because they are all holding space.
• 53:18
  They are all reading a room and reading people's energy and responding to what they need in the moment.
• 53:24
  And so it is no longer a conscious thing.
• 53:29
  It just comes through and we respond.
• 53:32
  Oh, that is so beautiful.
• 53:34
  And like it's so wonderful to think of like people doing things with so much thoughtfulness and actually intuition and care because you really have to care about the room to want to.
• 53:44
  tap into the energy and respond.
• 53:46
  And so I think it's such a gift to think that we're being cared for by incredible teachers and DJs and musicians who are like trying to channel this energy into the song or into this moment or into this performance and performers and actors like that.
• 54:00
  There is this intuitive like energy gift that's often beneath the surface of so many of our interactions, which I think is really beautiful.
• 54:07
  So I'm always curious, like, what's the most
• 54:09
  There's a craft as we see it, but then as someone who actually does that craft has like this deeper knowing about what it entails, which I think is such a gift.
• 54:21
  So powerful.
• 54:22
  So powerful.
• 54:23
  Wow.
• 54:26
  The next question I'd love to ask you.
• 54:30
  is about some of the challenges that the multi-passionate faces and also the shadows of, you know, because everything has gifts and shadows.
• 54:37
  So I'm so curious what comes up for you.
• 54:39
  Yeah, I will say, I feel like I've been speaking about this path very positively and passionately because I am passionate about it.
• 54:46
  Really passionate.
• 54:47
  And this is not the easy path, guys.
• 54:50
  This is not the easy path.
• 54:51
  Yeah.
• 54:52
  This is not the easy path.
• 54:54
  It's not for everyone.
• 54:57
  It's the courageous path for sure.
• 55:02
  Some of the challenges.
• 55:03
  The juggle is real.
• 55:05
  The juggle is real.
• 55:07
  I'm putting that on a t-shirt.
• 55:08
  That's brilliant.
• 55:12
  We are only one human with 24 hours in a day.
• 55:15
  We need to sleep for eight hours and have our self-care time and time with our friends and our families, you know.
• 55:21
  And so we have a certain number of hours in the day.
• 55:24
  And so just that awareness of I do have a limited time and there are more things I actually want to do and create than maybe, you know, the next person.
• 55:36
  And so that awareness of that can sometimes feel really, really challenging.
• 55:40
  I would say, I think there's been acceptance for me from this next point.
• 55:45
  Mastery can take a bit longer, you know, because I mean, what do they say?
• 55:49
  Is it 10,000 hours they say it takes to become an expert?
• 55:52
  So it's probably going to take you.
• 55:55
  longer to become an expert in each of your threads or each of your skills for me I'm okay with that you know I'm like all right I've got my lifetime and I'll do what I can in this lifetime with the time that I have and that's okay you know and I've also found that the beautiful thing is I know we're challenges I'm coming back to the positives but the um
• 56:20
  A good thing is that once you've been in one, for example, teaching yoga and coaching, I've been doing for a long, long time now.
• 56:27
  So I do feel quite masterful in those areas.
• 56:30
  So they don't take as much time and capacity now because they're just in me.
• 56:35
  They flow through me, whereas things that are newer, newer skills that I might begin to take a lot more time and energy.
• 56:41
  Right.
• 56:42
  And so they might require a bit more energy output.
• 56:45
  And so it's just that navigation of all of the different things that you do.
• 56:49
  can can be a challenge um what else I sometimes question like imagine if I only did one thing what if I was just a yoga teacher or just you know just just a coach or not even just a coach just a coach that specialized in one area because even within my coaching you know I I'm quite multifaceted
• 57:12
  um what if I only did this one thing maybe I'd be really seen as an expert maybe I'd be have a much bigger audience maybe I'd make a lot more money um maybe I'd have more time to pour into content and all of this so that can sometimes feel like a challenge but I then do step back and ask myself
• 57:34
  Sabi, would you actually be happy if you poured all your time and energy into this one thing so you could make more money and be seen as an expert and be more successful?
• 57:44
  But is it true success if it comes at the cost of who I really am?
• 57:50
  Probably not, you know, probably not.
• 57:54
  But the challenge is you are continuously met, even if someone like me, who is so proud of being a multi-passionate, I'm not immune from like sitting with the very real thoughts of...
• 58:07
  I might make more money if I only did this one thing, or I might have a bigger audience if I only talked about this type of thing and content.
• 58:15
  Like, I don't know.
• 58:16
  So maybe I wouldn't.
• 58:18
  But those thoughts are there.
• 58:20
  Thank you for explaining that.
• 58:21
  That really resonates.
• 58:22
  I feel we all have these these fears.
• 58:24
  And I love that the.
• 58:26
  challenges did bring you back to the beauties because it is a polarity.
• 58:29
  It is a dance.
• 58:30
  And for naming so clearly, like some of those thoughts of what if I'd be more successful?
• 58:35
  What if I'd make more money?
• 58:36
  What if it would just be a simpler life?
• 58:38
  But then the truth, it wouldn't be my life.
• 58:41
  It wouldn't make me feel lit up and happy and fulfilled.
• 58:44
  And I think that is the ultimate gift.
• 58:46
  And it also ties to your self-love work, which I'm excited to get into because in loving ourselves, we can't accept that we just...
• 58:53
  dim our light just to make more money or make you know what I mean so totally and this path is such a self-love path that's why yeah my self-love coaching work is so intertwined with supporting multi-passionates because it really is about choosing yourself and coming back to your own authentic light over who the world tells you to be or what's expected of you um
• 59:19
  Because sure, you know, most business advice say pick a niche, really niche down, become known for that one thing.
• 59:27
  And it might work.
• 59:29
  You know, it can be a good business strategy if your focus is...
• 59:37
  monetary values and, you know, numbers like it might work.
• 59:42
  But just because it works in that way, does that mean it's right for you if it comes at the cost of who you really are?
• 59:49
  You know, and so I really love people to revisit what's your definition of success.
• 59:55
  Of course, we all want to make a lot of money and be seen and known for the things that we do.
• 1:00:00
  Right.
• 1:00:01
  So that gets to be part of it, too.
• 1:00:02
  Like we are all deserving of that.
• 1:00:06
  alongside really embracing who you are.
• 1:00:09
  And so it feels like this dance of desiring those things, but also wanting to uphold these other things, which are sometimes a little unconventional.
• 1:00:19
  Yes.
• 1:00:21
  Yes.
• 1:00:21
  That is such being in reverence to yourself and holding yourself with so much love is, is,
• 1:00:28
  this beautiful like integration and acceptance of all of these parts of ourselves and allowing them space.
• 1:00:34
  And also what you said about defining what success means to you versus am I using a social definition, my mom's definition, my, you know, so many things imposed on me versus what is a truly meaningful, successful life to me.
• 1:00:46
  And then I also want to loop back to what you were saying about
• 1:00:50
  the different projects and different passions, sort of being at different stages.
• 1:00:55
  It gave me this image of like being a mother and like, you know, you're a toddler requires more energy and like sleepless nights, but you have some, your yoga and things you've been doing for years that you said you just channeled through naturally they're in you.
• 1:01:06
  And it's like, maybe they're in their early twenties or they're a teenager.
• 1:01:10
  You know, they, they don't ask as much of like your physical time and attention in the same way.
• 1:01:16
  And I love that we're like able to mother these different and parent these different parts of ourselves and then trust that different ones will need different forms of care at different times.
• 1:01:25
  Because I've often used that when I feel like, do I get to have both?
• 1:01:28
  And I'm like, yeah, but parents have multiple children and they do their best to show up for the specific needs of that child.
• 1:01:35
  And they don't think like, oh, well, you know, of course, having the one child, you'd be able to pull.
• 1:01:39
  But there is a magic to having.
• 1:01:42
  Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  And then you maybe also have a dog and, you know, there's and you care for different things and you nurture them.
• 1:01:47
  And you trust that showing up imperfectly is part of the magic of being a human, a human being.
• 1:01:54
  So and some of your.
• 1:01:58
  your skills and your gifts get to be at different places.
• 1:02:01
  Some of them can be at like maintenance stage.
• 1:02:04
  Some of them might be at growth stage.
• 1:02:09
  So they're going to require different amounts of energy and that can be really supportive to know.
• 1:02:16
  It can be hard to move forwards if as a multi-passionate, you are completely starting five new things at once.
• 1:02:26
  Yes.
• 1:02:27
  Right.
• 1:02:27
  And you're like, why is nothing happening?
• 1:02:30
  Why am I not getting anywhere?
• 1:02:32
  And it's because at the start of any journey that requires so much more energy, so much more focus, so much more time.
• 1:02:39
  And so I'm not saying you can't do all of those things, but let's be smart about it.
• 1:02:45
  We're one human with a set amount of time.
• 1:02:47
  Let's be smart about it.
• 1:02:50
  What things do you really want to lock in first?
• 1:02:52
  And so maybe portion most of your time and energy for those.
• 1:02:56
  And the other things can tick over along the side.
• 1:02:58
  You still do them because you love them and you enjoy them, but you might not pour all of your energy into them.
• 1:03:04
  And then when the one or two things are starting to flourish a bit more, whatever that looks like for whatever it is that you're doing,
• 1:03:12
  Once they're doing well or you're feeling quite good with them or it's starting to feel more natural, they're going to take a bit less energy, you know?
• 1:03:21
  It's just like, for example, starting a podcast right at the start.
• 1:03:25
  There's so much to figure out.
• 1:03:28
  The tech and the getting people to know about it and the like...
• 1:03:32
  interviewing people and it takes a lot of the start and then once you've done it for six months a year two years you're like okay we know how to do this now I can now launch my music out into the world you know that's what I would suggest anyone do that's in this space of like I'm a multi-passion and I just can't get anything done
• 1:03:53
  Hmm.
• 1:03:55
  Oh, you are speaking to us.
• 1:03:58
  You are speaking to us.
• 1:03:59
  Oh my goodness.
• 1:04:00
  Yes.
• 1:04:01
  What you said about starting.
• 1:04:04
  Sahara Rose, do you know her?
• 1:04:05
  Oh, I love her so much.
• 1:04:07
  And she would always say, or she used to say a lot, like that you don't give birth to like multiple babies at once.
• 1:04:12
  So it's like the birthing process does require sometimes, just like, as you said, being smart about how your energy is, because you know, the start of something exactly, starting a podcast, starting something.
• 1:04:23
  But then it's like, this is so normal to me.
• 1:04:24
  It's just even when I was getting ready today, I was like, you know, I used to feel so, and I'm actually very much in the beginning of this interviewing journey, but yeah.
• 1:04:33
  at least not on the number one.
• 1:04:34
  I think maybe this is like 10th or something.
• 1:04:36
  And I was like, oh, wow, I used to feel like so stressed.
• 1:04:38
  And so like this.
• 1:04:39
  And I was like, wow, like this is more sort of inflow versus like starting something new.
• 1:04:45
  And that feels really rewarding.
• 1:04:47
  And that is creating space to then pour into the music.
• 1:04:49
  And even creating the first song, I'm like, this will feel like, oh, my word, the song.
• 1:04:54
  And then eventually it'll be normal to you.
• 1:04:55
  You'll just make music.
• 1:04:56
  So thank you for sharing that.
• 1:04:58
  It's so beautiful.
• 1:04:59
  And then you did share something that I think isn't discussed enough.
• 1:05:03
  You said, I have had to accept that mastery will take longer, but I'm okay with that.
• 1:05:07
  That's so beautiful because I think some people try to either go one way or the other.
• 1:05:11
  Either they'll say the only way to be a master is to focus on one thing, which isn't true.
• 1:05:16
  Or they'll say...
• 1:05:18
  you can be a master at everything now, you know, you know, so it's like...
• 1:05:22
  It's interesting because I do feel on the one hand that multi-passionate creatives do have quite a gift for being able to pick up things quicker.
• 1:05:34
  So maybe mastery does come a bit quicker for us than the average human.
• 1:05:40
  I don't think there's any such thing as an average human.
• 1:05:42
  I think every human is perfectly capable of incredible creativity.
• 1:05:46
  I think it's in absolutely everyone.
• 1:05:47
  But for those of us that embrace it, I would say, I feel like we do have a gift of learning things quite quickly, which is really powerful.
• 1:06:01
  So it's not that we're not able to reach that level of mastery and it might take us a bit quicker than,
• 1:06:07
  But if there are multiple things that we're doing, we don't have the same amount of time as someone that, you know, if I think about DJing, that's all that they're doing.
• 1:06:20
  And they really lock in on that skill and they practice every single day and they're booking gigs all of the time and they're able to record mixes all of the time.
• 1:06:28
  And like, of course, they're going to get better quicker than me.
• 1:06:32
  That's just how time works.
• 1:06:34
  Right.
• 1:06:36
  And so I sometimes grapple with that.
• 1:06:39
  And I'm like, and it's okay, you know, and it's okay.
• 1:06:44
  There isn't actually a rush.
• 1:06:45
  I will get there when I get there.
• 1:06:47
  I'm really enjoying the journey and I'm enjoying the process.
• 1:06:50
  And maybe I'm able to offer the craft some things that that person spending five hours a day locked in just on their DJ transitions.
• 1:06:59
  They might not have access to other things I'm able to bring DJing because of my other skills, you know, and so I'm aware of that as well.
• 1:07:07
  that's so real because also i'm thinking that part of your dj set maybe you start introducing yourself and then you share something that drops in and that is part of what someone takes from your set is your ability to speak and ability to you know your multiple ways that you bring things together that that locked in person maybe you know it's like what we receive from something isn't always what the artist intends sometimes it's actually like you go to a concert and then it's like
• 1:07:30
  what someone says in the first line is like the most magical thing you've ever heard.
• 1:07:34
  And that's what you take from the concert.
• 1:07:36
  So yeah, that's beautiful.
• 1:07:37
  There's always going to be things we can bring.
• 1:07:40
  And then what you said about our gift to pick things up quickly, that's so powerful.
• 1:07:43
  That's so true.
• 1:07:44
  And I actually haven't heard that be named before because it is really true.
• 1:07:49
  And what came through as you were saying that is like, we're so in touch with a natural flow within ourselves that there's already a momentum that's been building towards that craft.
• 1:07:56
  Like, for example, my best friend who is here, who's incredible, just did a comedy class.
• 1:08:01
  And he is so naturally like he's so good at comedy, but also because he's a writer, he's a speaker, he's hilarious.
• 1:08:07
  And he's been writing comedy in his spare time, just on his voice note app.
• 1:08:11
  So there was a momentum.
• 1:08:12
  He was in an intro class.
• 1:08:14
  But like that passion was there all along and he had been tending to it.
• 1:08:17
  And so he just came out like this blossoming where other people might be a seed.
• 1:08:21
  And he's like blossomed.
• 1:08:22
  This actually makes me think of what I said earlier, that all of our creative skills are linked and one thing helps another.
• 1:08:28
  You know, they say that if you learn one language, it's going to be easier to learn the second language.
• 1:08:34
  If you learn two languages, it's going to be much easier to learn the third.
• 1:08:37
  You already have the processes in place.
• 1:08:39
  You know how to learn the language.
• 1:08:41
  You have an understanding of grammar.
• 1:08:43
  You know the process and you know what it takes.
• 1:08:46
  And so when you pick up the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth thing, that learning process is going to become a lot quicker, actually.
• 1:08:53
  And I feel like it's exactly the same with our creative gifts and with what we're sharing in the world.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  And so whatever you're doing now is probably going to support you with learning the next thing, which is pretty cool.
• 1:09:06
  pretty damn cool that's amazing it's so cool yes I love it and the underlying skill is creating how do you go from something not existing to existing once you're in touch with that flow you can start anything like I know that like as artists as creatives as like whether it's a business whether it's a song whether it's like if you're in touch with like like I know on one of your podcast episodes you were talking about the creative act the book which I love um and like that
• 1:09:34
  language of creativity if you speak it you could speak it anywhere you know and you can learn how to speak like oh okay i see this i see that so i think that's so brilliant that's so true i think the language analogy is so poignant it's like yes exactly learning the second language of course is going to be so much easier than the first language you've ever learned um or the third or the fourth or fifth that's so powerful
• 1:09:56
  Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  I wish more people, well, this is why we're doing this podcast, right?
• 1:10:00
  I wish more people could like really embrace that because it's such a, what a gift, what an asset when you start to own this and when you start to see the benefits, like you're no longer feeling ashamed or a disadvantage because you like all of these things.
• 1:10:16
  You actually see that they really complement your life and make your life rich and alive and support you.
• 1:10:22
  Yes, rich and alive.
• 1:10:24
  Absolutely.
• 1:10:25
  Oh my goodness.
• 1:10:25
  Yes.
• 1:10:26
  Um, so just now we were talking about mastery and slowness and acceptance.
• 1:10:30
  What would you say to someone who is more in that mindset where they're very ambitious at their multiple crafts and they struggle with the idea that it will take them, it could take them longer by pursuing multiple things.
• 1:10:44
  I can sometimes slip into this where I feel like there's multi-passionates who, um,
• 1:10:48
  want to explore openly, like there's the archetype where they're like not really trying to get somewhere.
• 1:10:52
  They're just trying to be in touch with the process.
• 1:10:54
  Then you do have multi-passionates who are very ambitious.
• 1:10:57
  I would say I'm like that, where I'm like, anything I do, I want to try and do at the highest level.
• 1:11:01
  I mean, is it a flaw?
• 1:11:02
  Is it a strength?
• 1:11:03
  Whatever.
• 1:11:03
  But I'm like, no, no, I need to see where this could go.
• 1:11:05
  And so sometimes I'm like, but if I just went all in on this and it's that masculine and voice of like society and, you know.
• 1:11:13
  But what would you say to someone who's maybe...
• 1:11:16
  not come to the place where you have where you're like, I accept that in some ways, if I'm not DJing all hours of the day, of course, you know, who hasn't reached that place?
• 1:11:26
  Yeah, a couple of things, actually.
• 1:11:30
  On the one hand...
• 1:11:32
  If you do, what can be quite powerful?
• 1:11:34
  If you do want to be like, I just, I'm really ambitious.
• 1:11:38
  I want to know what would happen if I go all in.
• 1:11:40
  One way you could do it as a multi-passionate is give yourself like a pocket of time without abandoning everything else that you do.
• 1:11:46
  You might be like...
• 1:11:48
  for two months or for the next month, I'm actually going to really focus on my music.
• 1:11:54
  And then after that month or two, I'll come back to doing it alongside my podcast and my other work.
• 1:12:01
  And that might be a way that you can really have this concentrated amount of time where you pour completely into this thing while not abandoning the other thing.
• 1:12:09
  And actually we can get a hell of a lot done in a month if we focus all of our energy into it.
• 1:12:14
  Sometimes even more,
• 1:12:16
  in that one month than in a year if in a year we're like oh I'm just going to focus on my music for a year but it's such a long amount of time that you're a bit like wishy-washy and like whereas it's if it's a short channeled amount of time you can get so much done um so I maybe suggest if you're multi-passionate and you don't want to give up your other avenues maybe look at exploring that way of working um I'm
• 1:12:41
  taking some time off this summer from like work just to pour into my creativity to go to loads of dance classes to DJ to practice to just be in my like own creative essence and energy so that I can fill up that part of me so that I'm really excited about that so that's one thing that you know you could explore and on the other side
• 1:13:02
  I would say some of the mindset and inner exploration.
• 1:13:07
  What is your attachment to needing it right now?
• 1:13:09
  Oh, speak on it girl.
• 1:13:12
  Say it.
• 1:13:13
  Where is it going to go?
• 1:13:15
  Like if it doesn't happen in the next month or two, like, can you give it grace and space and time to blossom as it's meant to blossom?
• 1:13:22
  You know, some of the most incredible artists, their journey has taken so much time, you know?
• 1:13:28
  And we,
• 1:13:33
  All of a sudden they're like blowing up and they're winning Grammys.
• 1:13:38
  And who was it recently?
• 1:13:40
  Kalani or someone.
• 1:13:41
  And she's been like, you know, she's been at it for 10, 20 years.
• 1:13:45
  We didn't know about her then.
• 1:13:46
  We had no clue who she was, but she was, she was doing it.
• 1:13:51
  And over that long process, all of a sudden she starts to become known.
• 1:13:58
  Imagine if she'd rushed that process, what she would have missed along the way.
• 1:14:01
  Ooh, that's just a parable.
• 1:14:03
  Imagine if she'd rushed that process.
• 1:14:05
  I want to read that story.
• 1:14:06
  Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 1:14:07
  Right?
• 1:14:08
  If she'd rushed that process, she wouldn't have lived fully.
• 1:14:11
  We probably, to receive her music the way that we're receiving it now, she needed to go through what she went through.
• 1:14:17
  She needed to live her life the way that she did.
• 1:14:20
  She needed to have the failures and the setbacks and the time.
• 1:14:23
  Yes.
• 1:14:24
  Like that essence of like, sigh.
• 1:14:27
  this is taking a while, but I'm dedicated to it.
• 1:14:29
  And I love the art and I love the craft.
• 1:14:32
  That's what ends up creating the beautiful art.
• 1:14:34
  Not the rush and the force.
• 1:14:36
  And I need this to happen right now.
• 1:14:37
  Yes.
• 1:14:38
  Oh, that was so powerful.
• 1:14:40
  Yes, exactly.
• 1:14:42
  Oh, my word.
• 1:14:43
  Imagine if she hadn't taken her time.
• 1:14:44
  Yes.
• 1:14:45
  And the richness and resonance of the music now has been shaped by that slow devotion to something.
• 1:14:53
  And I also adore this invitation to like sit with that inner work of what within me needs this to happen now.
• 1:15:00
  What is the attachment like you mentioned?
• 1:15:03
  And I love this because I think we are we're given a lot of case studies of people who do go all in.
• 1:15:09
  But it's not the whole story.
• 1:15:11
  There's many people I'm reading this autobiography of Nina Simone.
• 1:15:14
  And she started as a pianist.
• 1:15:15
  She didn't even have any intention to sing.
• 1:15:17
  She was so devoted to piano.
• 1:15:19
  I mean, I think she was more in that like specialist sort of she was really, really obsessed with the piano practice, like five to seven hours a day sometimes.
• 1:15:28
  Um, but then started singing more so because the environment that she was performing in, the performers in these like, you know, I don't know if you would call them like jazz clubs or what they would be.
• 1:15:38
  Um, they...
• 1:15:41
  preferred and would patronize more so.
• 1:15:45
  So they basically like were seeking more singers.
• 1:15:47
  So she started singing more so because that's what the crowd wanted her to do.
• 1:15:52
  Not because she like had this passion for singing.
• 1:15:54
  So, and then look at what we have now from her music.
• 1:15:58
  I think it's, I'd love to see like a case study of just how many multi-passion, I mean, like Janelle Monae and they have their acting and their music and fashion and like seeing these people really bring to life these multiple textures of who they are is really powerful.
• 1:16:12
  So thank you for taking us there.
• 1:16:14
  And I want to sit with that question because I sometimes get attached to like both.
• 1:16:16
  where could this be in a year if you just and it's like and then also the invitation for like the month or the two months to focus I think that's really beautiful so you're giving us both the like wisdom and then the tactical sort of advice that's really helpful for anyone listening and also another reminder is I mean it's like anything
• 1:16:38
  Yes, have the goals and the ambition and create the plan and then do as much as you can, you know, but really enjoy the process.
• 1:16:49
  really let yourself once you know you have the plan and you're taking the steps then let yourself enjoy the process of getting there because if your sole focus is i need to be here with my work with my art with my business with whatever it is you're going to get there and you're probably then going to be on to the next goal straight away right because you were taken right out of the journey
• 1:17:12
  Such an important reminder for all of us.
• 1:17:14
  Yes, absolutely.
• 1:17:15
  I feel like also when you have a craft that doesn't end, like for example, something I really love about podcasting is there's not an endpoint, even the top podcast is what do they do?
• 1:17:24
  They release an episode each week.
• 1:17:26
  So it's a process.
• 1:17:26
  It's a devotion.
• 1:17:27
  It's a craft.
• 1:17:29
  And so there's no ending.
• 1:17:30
  There's just like you can choose to end it.
• 1:17:32
  That's beautiful.
• 1:17:33
  And I'd actually love to hear your thoughts on how multi-passionates have the gift of moving on.
• 1:17:38
  That's a question I have.
• 1:17:40
  That's good, actually.
• 1:17:41
  The gift of moving on, how to know when something has served its time.
• 1:17:46
  Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  I will say that the beautiful thing about life, especially when it's, you know, our passions and our gifts and our skills, is we might close something and then realize later that we want to come back to it.
• 1:17:57
  Period.
• 1:17:58
  Yes.
• 1:17:58
  So nothing has to be closed forever.
• 1:18:00
  Yes.
• 1:18:01
  Um, I think you will know for me, it's like a feeling of when something has served its time.
• 1:18:11
  Um, I, I didn't even mention this in my story.
• 1:18:16
  Um, it was somewhere in between primary school teaching and starting to teach yoga.
• 1:18:23
  I had this dance events business where I would, um,
• 1:18:29
  run these kids parties, hen parties, do wedding dance lessons alongside my school teaching.
• 1:18:38
  So it was, yeah, using dance as like a celebration.
• 1:18:41
  So people would book me for these parties at the weekend.
• 1:18:47
  So I was doing this in between my full time school teaching.
• 1:18:50
  And I loved it.
• 1:18:51
  I love that I was able to
• 1:18:53
  share dance with people.
• 1:18:54
  I love that I had like a little business.
• 1:18:56
  I love that I was getting booked.
• 1:18:58
  It felt really fun and I felt really fulfilled.
• 1:19:03
  And it also, it was my first taste of like setting up a business.
• 1:19:10
  like getting booked for things something that I created just myself you know seeing my creation go from zero to something felt so powerful I remember I stayed up like all night to build this website I would leaflet and I would flyer and and so that felt really beautiful for me starting something and then it turning into something and I loved it for a little while
• 1:19:42
  I didn't not like it.
• 1:19:46
  But my soul was really, I think, wanting to teach yoga more and explore that path more.
• 1:19:52
  And the yoga, the dance parties business.
• 1:19:59
  I, yeah, I didn't have the same zest for it anymore.
• 1:20:02
  It felt like it served the purpose at the time, you know?
• 1:20:08
  It taught me how to set up a little business.
• 1:20:12
  It gave me a lot of incredible skills.
• 1:20:14
  It gave me the mindset of like, I can start something and it can work and I can make money from putting my gifts out into the world and random strangers will book me for things.
• 1:20:24
  That was amazing.
• 1:20:26
  But then I just really felt this internal pull to begin to put my energy into something else.
• 1:20:32
  Beautiful thing is I could go back and do that at any time.
• 1:20:35
  Right.
• 1:20:36
  At any time.
• 1:20:36
  So it's not like doesn't have to be over forever, but you will feel when you're called in another direction.
• 1:20:44
  Yes.
• 1:20:45
  Oh, wow.
• 1:20:46
  And I think as well for anyone, for the multi-passionates,
• 1:20:50
  that find themselves worrying because you're like, I never see things through or like I'm continuously jumping from this to this, to this, to this, to this.
• 1:21:00
  I have, you know, maybe fear of commitment.
• 1:21:04
  That feels different.
• 1:21:05
  So I think what I did at the dance with the dance parties, I felt complete.
• 1:21:10
  I felt like this has served me.
• 1:21:12
  I've actually gave it,
• 1:21:14
  a lot of my energy and time and I built something that I was proud of and all right I don't feel that same amount of like drive for it now and so I want to put my energy somewhere else um and so for those of you that are flitting from thing to thing to thing give yourself permission to slow down a little um and
• 1:21:37
  try and pour a bit more energy into creating something that builds a little more before you jump to a new thing for example I'm very multi-passionate as you know and I said to myself this year I wanted to learn how to produce and I was like savvy wait until next year I was like we're not gonna learn a new thing this year we're gonna wait
• 1:22:02
  next year you can do it if you still want to oh wow oh i love this oh you're holding us oh my goodness this is so lovely the idea of like that is so amazing that you created that dance event all that wisdom is with you that feeling of like it was lighting you up and then it wasn't and that's this natural evolution of life like a relationship we don't know how long something is yeah in our lives for when
• 1:22:25
  I just think all the things you've done are just so magical.
• 1:22:27
  Oh my goodness.
• 1:22:27
  I love this so much.
• 1:22:29
  Um, what would you say?
• 1:22:30
  You seem very in touch with your zest for life.
• 1:22:33
  You know, what lights you up and what doesn't.
• 1:22:36
  And like, you feel like very in touch with this.
• 1:22:37
  And I'm sure also as a dancer and like as an embodiment coach, you're really in your body.
• 1:22:42
  What would you say to someone who's like, I don't know.
• 1:22:44
  Like, I don't know.
• 1:22:45
  I don't know.
• 1:22:45
  Maybe, maybe it could be this maybe they're like, not as like, this doesn't light me up anymore.
• 1:22:50
  Yeah.
• 1:22:51
  I feel like you probably do know, but you're disconnected from the part of you that knows, you know, because we're taught to think from our heads a lot of the time and to make logical decisions and to make decisions that make sense.
• 1:23:05
  And this path doesn't always make sense, you guys.
• 1:23:08
  Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  you gotta let go of sense you gotta let go of things making sense right because if making sense is what makes the most money and like this this path might not be for you actually um and so it's letting go of it having to make conventional rational sense first of all
• 1:23:30
  And then beginning to connect back to if you're someone that the word like purpose feels overwhelming or like what's my passion, what's my purpose, what thing am I meant to do next?
• 1:23:40
  If that feels too overwhelming because you're like, I'm not fully sure, I kind of like this, I kind of like this.
• 1:23:47
  Drop the pressure, drop the expectation, let go of you needing this massive purpose and follow the thread of curiosity instead.
• 1:23:55
  You know, lean into like, what am I curious about?
• 1:23:59
  I don't have to make money from it.
• 1:24:01
  I don't need to make it my thing.
• 1:24:02
  It doesn't need to become my work.
• 1:24:04
  What am I curious about?
• 1:24:05
  What would I like to spend time doing this evening if I have a spare evening?
• 1:24:09
  What would I like to learn?
• 1:24:10
  Like everyone will be able to have some.
• 1:24:13
  If you sit long enough with that question, something will come to you.
• 1:24:17
  You don't need to be crazy about it yet.
• 1:24:19
  You don't need to like...
• 1:24:20
  make it your life yet just what am I curious about what am I interested in even vaguely what thing has been like tapping me on the shoulder like listen to me like let's try this out and so lean into that if you're in the camp of like I'm unsure what I want to do next lean into that curiosity instead completely release the pressure
• 1:24:41
  Absolutely.
• 1:24:41
  Oh, I love this.
• 1:24:42
  Oh, what would I love to learn?
• 1:24:44
  What am I just feeling called to?
• 1:24:46
  And I think what you said earlier about when you're doing another craft, sometimes those answers come through.
• 1:24:50
  So if it's taking a walk or dancing or doing breath work or, you know, having a conversation with a friend, sometimes just in the conversation, something is like, oh, there it is.
• 1:24:59
  You know, the beautiful thing is there is no expectation that you need to do anything with it.
• 1:25:06
  Right.
• 1:25:06
  If you're like, oh, I want to learn.
• 1:25:10
  how to make beautiful dresses.
• 1:25:11
  And it's like, oh, maybe I'm supposed to have a career in fashion.
• 1:25:13
  You're like, let's give ourselves the space to go to a class, a sewing class, or like let's just book on to a class, a one-off class, a one-month, you know, four-week class.
• 1:25:27
  Go to a workshop, learn something new just for fun, just for your joy.
• 1:25:31
  Like let things be just for your fun and your joy and your curiosity at the start.
• 1:25:37
  You might come to the end of that class and be like, you know what?
• 1:25:40
  That's not for me.
• 1:25:41
  Amazing.
• 1:25:42
  What amazing information that you now have.
• 1:25:45
  So I always say, take the next step.
• 1:25:47
  You're going to get information either way.
• 1:25:49
  You might be like, wow, I love this.
• 1:25:50
  I'm going to book on to the next class.
• 1:25:53
  You might be like, I'm unsure.
• 1:25:54
  I'll give it another go.
• 1:25:55
  You might be like, absolutely not.
• 1:25:57
  Well, amazing, because now, you know, rather than ruminating for the next year, maybe I'm supposed to do this thing.
• 1:26:03
  You know, you get information from each decision that you take, but you need to make the decision.
• 1:26:08
  A lot of people don't know what they want to do because they're not making the decisions because they're frozen.
• 1:26:13
  Right.
• 1:26:13
  Paralysis.
• 1:26:15
  We only get information for what we want to do from our lives from actually taking those steps.
• 1:26:25
  Such a powerful reminder.
• 1:26:26
  Thank you so much.
• 1:26:27
  Flowing into action, receiving information from that action.
• 1:26:31
  It's so true.
• 1:26:32
  It's so true.
• 1:26:33
  Taking this step and allowing that to give us more information about, oh, this feels good.
• 1:26:39
  This could feel good.
• 1:26:39
  Like creating that space, also that invitation that you've shared.
• 1:26:43
  For me, improv is that space of like, I have no ambition for it.
• 1:26:47
  I just want to keep doing it.
• 1:26:48
  I feel like little you in that dance class where it's like, I feel so lit up.
• 1:26:51
  My inner child feels like, ooh, ooh, ooh.
• 1:26:53
  But I have no like it's just for me.
• 1:26:55
  It's just it's just for the exploration of it itself.
• 1:26:58
  Curious.
• 1:27:01
  What like imagine if it ended up going somewhere like would you be open to it?
• 1:27:05
  Well, now that you do ask that.
• 1:27:08
  Yes.
• 1:27:09
  I feel like as a child, I loved acting and my best friend, Alex, we have like this wild cosmic, like connection of like co-creation.
• 1:27:17
  That's really amazing.
• 1:27:19
  He is an actor and he is, he acted and then now he's going back to acting classes, just like you've shared.
• 1:27:26
  So like he had this dream that sort of like lay dormant in him for a while and didn't really have its expression.
• 1:27:32
  And now moving to London, there's just more possibility.
• 1:27:34
  There's so I mean, such a storied history of acting here.
• 1:27:38
  And so he's taking acting classes, but he's also an incredible writer.
• 1:27:41
  He writes like scripts, he writes books.
• 1:27:43
  And so he is like writing right now a short film.
• 1:27:45
  And he's always like, oh, my word, you have to be in it.
• 1:27:47
  So it's like all and we've always talked about writing a show together.
• 1:27:51
  He's been a huge expander for me because I think he carries that like limitless, multi-passionate imagination.
• 1:27:57
  And also that patience that like this doesn't have to happen this year, like 10 years, 20 years, like thinking spaciously about enjoying the journey, which you invited me and us to as well.
• 1:28:09
  So I'm so excited for where this could go.
• 1:28:12
  And also I love the presence of the journey itself.
• 1:28:15
  So it's a very exciting time.
• 1:28:17
  And exactly so cosmically aligned that you were sent in this exact moment of.
• 1:28:23
  I love this for you because you're going into that improv acting with complete unattachment.
• 1:28:30
  You're really in the process of enjoying the journey.
• 1:28:32
  You love what it brings you when you go to these classes and.
• 1:28:36
  You also have, you know, other work that you're pouring into that you love that might be your main focus.
• 1:28:41
  But you're open to where that path can lead.
• 1:28:44
  And so nothing can go wrong, you know.
• 1:28:47
  Nothing can go wrong.
• 1:28:48
  Thank you so much.
• 1:28:50
  Oh, something I do want to ask you about with being a multi-passionate is and the clients you work with and this journey we're on is.
• 1:28:58
  When are we avoiding discomfort and the sort of downsides of facing something fully versus exploring a new curiosity?
• 1:29:08
  Like, do you find your clients are fleeing from, okay, this got uncomfortable, let me start something new?
• 1:29:13
  Or is that a misunderstanding?
• 1:29:14
  Is that an oversimplification?
• 1:29:16
  Elements of that.
• 1:29:19
  Elements of maybe not seeing something through.
• 1:29:22
  Right.
• 1:29:23
  And again, every business or creative project is different.
• 1:29:27
  So everything is going to take a different amount of time.
• 1:29:30
  Right.
• 1:29:31
  But there definitely might be that, oh, this thing hasn't succeeded.
• 1:29:34
  So I'm going to jump onto the other thing and try it out.
• 1:29:36
  But
• 1:29:38
  A lot of things take a while before you see the results, whether it's the money or the audience or, you know, the visibility.
• 1:29:48
  Like success doesn't happen overnight.
• 1:29:51
  And so there can be the tendency to, if you are multi-passionate, to jump things quite quickly before you've given things the space and time.
• 1:30:02
  To naturally grow.
• 1:30:04
  Yeah.
• 1:30:05
  And so I do invite people to be like, let's take a minute.
• 1:30:08
  Right.
• 1:30:09
  I'm not saying you can't do all of these beautiful things.
• 1:30:11
  You absolutely can.
• 1:30:14
  But why is it that you're jumping this right now?
• 1:30:17
  Like, is it because you, is it really because you don't want to do it anymore?
• 1:30:20
  Or is it because there's something else going on there?
• 1:30:23
  Yeah.
• 1:30:23
  Yeah.
• 1:30:24
  Yeah.
• 1:30:26
  So, so, so is true.
• 1:30:27
  It's, uh, it's such a way of like, it's deep inner work that you're helping people do.
• 1:30:32
  It really is.
• 1:30:33
  Um, because when we're holding multiple things and multiple desires, we are grappling with.
• 1:30:44
  our own inner processes um am i good enough at this am i being what does the world think of this like oh is it doing well oh who how do people feel about it like are they judging me for this
• 1:31:02
  I'm embarrassed because it didn't get received very well and like it's so much inner work and so much like holding yourself with so much love and standing for what you want to do and believing in your art your craft your work before the world believing in your art and your work before the world does
• 1:31:23
  Oh, yes.
• 1:31:24
  Gorgeous.
• 1:31:25
  So, so, so true and potent and powerful.
• 1:31:28
  And also what you said about holding multiple desires.
• 1:31:30
  That was so like part of me like lit up.
• 1:31:32
  That is so such a like incredible way to say it because it is that wanting seeing so much as possible and wanting this and wanting this and also wanting an incredible love and relationship and.
• 1:31:42
  And all of these things feeding each other.
• 1:31:46
  Do you feel like your clients face desire blocks as well?
• 1:31:50
  Like how does it tie into also how we relate to our sensual energy and sexual energy?
• 1:31:57
  Because I often find when people are...
• 1:31:59
  I find that if I feel disconnected from a dream, being in touch with like pleasure and like what is turning me on can open that up and be like, oh my word, no, I know what I want.
• 1:32:08
  It's that.
• 1:32:09
  Really, really powerful.
• 1:32:10
  I think some of...
• 1:32:11
  the reasons why I even trained to be a sex and relationships coach was first of all, because I went on a big, my own big inner process around sexuality and relationships and really loved all of that work.
• 1:32:25
  And so wanted to be able to hold clients through that, but as well as explicitly sexuality and relationships work, I also knew, wow, when someone's really connected and,
• 1:32:37
  to their sexuality, their sensuality, that like, in a power, they do have more connection to their desires.
• 1:32:45
  They do have more connection to this turn on for life.
• 1:32:50
  Yes.
• 1:32:50
  For like, I want my life to feel alive.
• 1:32:54
  I want my life to feel pleasure filled.
• 1:32:57
  Like I get to have this in my creations and in my work, as well as in my intimate relationships.
• 1:33:04
  Like it gets to be
• 1:33:06
  in all of my life so yeah absolutely you know it's that permission giving as well really yeah it really is that permission that we get to live a life where we do the things we love like we're allowed we're allowed to desire it we're allowed to want it like it's okay yes
• 1:33:30
  how would you it's so beautiful because I wanted to circle back to permission how would you invite someone so they're like okay I get it I need to give myself permission how do I do that so how would you invite someone who gets to give themselves permission to want more to desire more to hold more to tend to their multiple passions how would you invite them to do so yeah
• 1:33:50
  Probably by looking at some of the blocks first.
• 1:33:56
  What stories and beliefs do you have around doing multiple things?
• 1:34:02
  You know, probably there are some limiting beliefs around it's not possible to make money doing multiple things or I'll be judged if I don't have a conventional path of my work or whatever the limiting beliefs might be.
• 1:34:20
  There are probably quite a few swimming around that are making them feel like they can't really fully own it and give themselves permission.
• 1:34:29
  So, yeah, probably some deep belief work.
• 1:34:33
  Where do those beliefs come from?
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  Where did they play out in your childhood?
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  Like how did they make you feel then?
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  Where do they live in your body now?
• 1:34:43
  How have you ever since then been protecting yourself from the judgment, the pain, from not being accepted?
• 1:34:53
  Because a lot of the time when we don't give ourselves permission, it's because we want to be accepted and seen and loved and valued by others.
• 1:35:04
  Right.
• 1:35:04
  And so doing that deep inner work of unraveling the blocks to that so that you can now in your adult body and your adult self share the things that you want to share and know that it's not going to inhibit you from being loved and accepted and seen.
• 1:35:25
  You have such a beautiful way of bringing this wisdom into words.
• 1:35:28
  I'm so grateful to receive it.
• 1:35:30
  Wow.
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  And it's so wonderful how it's and profound how it's all connected, like how we receive love is also going to be how we allow ourselves to dream.
• 1:35:40
  And it's wonderful.
• 1:35:42
  Yeah, because.
• 1:35:45
  Just to kind of for us to look at it a little deeper, the person that is.
• 1:35:54
  the singer and the writer and the photographer and the yoga teacher, whatever it is that they do.
• 1:35:59
  But it's like, oh, I should really pick one thing.
• 1:36:02
  Like, then just like sit with that.
• 1:36:04
  Like, what are you, what are you scared of?
• 1:36:08
  Oh, that I'm going to be.
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  judge that, like, people aren't going to get me.
• 1:36:14
  Okay, well, what else?
• 1:36:17
  Is there anything else there?
• 1:36:19
  Oh, that, like, that I won't fit in, that I don't really belong anywhere?
• 1:36:23
  Like, oh, is there anything else?
• 1:36:25
  Like, yeah, I just...
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  You know, I'm no one will accept me.
• 1:36:30
  I'll be all alone, you know.
• 1:36:32
  And so there's often a deeper fear under the fear that we can see.
• 1:36:40
  You know, the fear that we can see might be being like multi-passionate looks complicated, like I don't have the time or it's hard to pick one thing.
• 1:36:48
  But like go deeper and there is probably a deeper fear underneath.
• 1:36:50
  I felt deeply the expression you went through.
• 1:36:52
  I feel like people are going to resonate with that so deeply because what you just said about and fearing being alone.
• 1:36:58
  It's so true.
• 1:36:58
  I think doing that deep exploration, whether it's with someone who can guide you through it or with yourself is so powerful.
• 1:37:05
  We deserve to tap deeper into like what these stories are so we can be free from them.
• 1:37:10
  And therefore free each other from them because you are a walking permission slip for the person listening to us.
• 1:37:14
  It's like, I've wanted to be a DJ for yours.
• 1:37:17
  I'm going to go, you know, try and learn to DJ.
• 1:37:20
  Yeah.
• 1:37:20
  And that's really beautiful.
• 1:37:22
  So for you to know that every time you embrace what you really want to do, you're not just helping yourself, you're helping other people too.
• 1:37:30
  Because other people will see you owning who you are, owning what you want in this life.
• 1:37:36
  And they'll be like, OK, I'm inspired.
• 1:37:38
  I'm going to do this thing that I was a little scared to do.
• 1:37:40
  Hmm.
• 1:37:41
  So true.
• 1:37:43
  And sometimes we need to see something to believe it's possible.
• 1:37:46
  So in fact, often all the time.
• 1:37:47
  So when we see people who are out there, you know, manifesting in multiple dimensions of reality, like it's really empowering and it's very beautiful to watch and it makes us feel like it's possible for ourselves.
• 1:38:00
  And then we become that for others.
• 1:38:02
  So it's such a gift, whether it's in your community, whether it's online, wherever it is, it really does have
• 1:38:11
  what would you say to the person who is like working a nine-to-five a multi-passionate and therefore does face this feeling of there's just not enough time yeah first of all just to validate that it's not easy right and so like props to you for for giving it a go you know be kind to yourself you don't have the same amount of time as someone that isn't in a nine-to-five you know
• 1:38:39
  and sometimes it can be an absolute gift um i've worked with people for example people that are starting a business i've worked with people that have done it alongside nine to five i've also worked with people that have quit their job and have full day to do just their business it's interesting
• 1:39:03
  Actually, that's not always that helpful.
• 1:39:05
  Sometimes having too much time on your hands means you overthink stuff, means you spend way too much time creating the content, creating the art.
• 1:39:15
  Like you don't actually let the stuff to just flow through you because you're being critical.
• 1:39:18
  You're being a perfectionist.
• 1:39:21
  You're overthinking things.
• 1:39:23
  And sometimes having less time means you can be more productive with the time that you have.
• 1:39:29
  And so I know I'm not a mom yet.
• 1:39:32
  I've like having listened to some other entrepreneurs that say, since I became a mom, I'm so much more efficient with my business.
• 1:39:42
  I do the things that have to be done.
• 1:39:44
  Yeah.
• 1:39:45
  I do the things that actually move the needle forwards because I have limited time.
• 1:39:49
  So I make sure during that little half an hour when when she's sleeping, I don't waste time on tasks that don't do anything.
• 1:39:59
  I get the thing done that needs to get done.
• 1:40:03
  And so I think having a full time job can be really similar.
• 1:40:07
  You know, you don't have the whole day free.
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  But what time do you have?
• 1:40:12
  Maybe you have a little half an hour in your lunch break to do something.
• 1:40:16
  Maybe you have an hour in the morning before you go to work or an hour in the evening.
• 1:40:21
  you could still get quite a bit done in that time.
• 1:40:23
  And actually you have a bit more structure as well, which can be really helpful.
• 1:40:29
  Sometimes having no structure at all can be quite disorientating.
• 1:40:33
  Absolutely.
• 1:40:34
  And then also you're creating from the energy of not needing something that that energy of like needing something to make money.
• 1:40:41
  Oh, I can't believe I didn't even touch on that.
• 1:40:43
  I can't believe I didn't.
• 1:40:44
  That's I should have mentioned that first.
• 1:40:48
  The difference is so dramatic.
• 1:40:51
  when you create from a sense of really to pay my rent with this like oh my god if this doesn't work like I don't know how I'm gonna live imagine how you're gonna create you're creating from such a level of scarcity and the process isn't going to be enjoyable you're going to be so stressed when you're working on it and
• 1:41:10
  It's going to feel so contracted.
• 1:41:12
  You're going to feel really resistant.
• 1:41:14
  Your best work probably isn't going to come through.
• 1:41:17
  If you've got that job that's paying your bills and that's helping you live the life that you're already living, everything that you create comes from this like overflow and abundance.
• 1:41:29
  It's because you want to do it.
• 1:41:30
  It's not because you have to do it.
• 1:41:32
  So I think there's actually a real and I feel like having a job can be is way too shamed in entrepreneurship, actually.
• 1:41:40
  Oh, you're not a real entrepreneur because you have a job like no, it can be a really powerful thing, actually, that can support you.
• 1:41:46
  to work on your creative pursuits without worrying about how you're going to live.
• 1:41:51
  Absolutely.
• 1:41:52
  And to allow yourself to create something with long term potential versus when you're in that scarcity, you're like, what's going to work now?
• 1:41:59
  I need this to work by next month, by this month, by this, you know, like I only have this much money, you know, versus like planting seeds that like could become this oak tree, but just needs like more time.
• 1:42:09
  um so yeah thank you for sharing that it's so it's so true and powerful and the scarcity energy versus the overflow energy is so powerful and um it is so fascinating that we think what we want is ultimate freedom but then that can be daunting af because you're like how do i structure this day you think you have the whole day and then it's like where did the time even go so yeah wow oh my goodness also it's quite funny people leave their nine to fives because they're like yeah i want freedom i'm gonna be an entrepreneur and
• 1:42:39
  I'm not as free as I thought I was going to be because I'm actually thinking about work more than I ever thought about work.
• 1:42:44
  I actually shut my laptop.
• 1:42:47
  I'm on holiday, but I'm still thinking about work.
• 1:42:49
  I'm still thinking about what I need to do.
• 1:42:50
  So I feel like you're less free in a way, you know?
• 1:42:54
  Tell me why I was literally sending emails at 10 p.m. yesterday and I was like my last app when I worked at nine to five at all was much it was in management consulting as well.
• 1:43:02
  So it was not 95, but when I worked in that job.
• 1:43:04
  I would have never, I was like, this is not my, why would I on a Sunday at 10 PM?
• 1:43:09
  Like, unless I had to, which didn't happen because weekends were like protected, which was good mostly.
• 1:43:15
  Um, but it's like, now that it's my own thing, I'm like my boundaries all over the, sometimes all over the place.
• 1:43:20
  And it's like, are you going to be a kind boss to yourself?
• 1:43:23
  You think yes.
• 1:43:24
  And then just see those, those worthiness and all the things.
• 1:43:27
  So, um, blocks.
• 1:43:29
  And so, yeah, thank you for, for that.
• 1:43:32
  Oh, wow.
• 1:43:32
  Wow.
• 1:43:33
  yeah we have to it takes like time to learn those boundaries and to know
• 1:43:42
  There will always be something more to do.
• 1:43:44
  When you work for yourself, there is always another task on the to do list.
• 1:43:48
  There are always more things to do.
• 1:43:49
  So you could work 24 hours a day and there'd be more things to do, you know.
• 1:43:54
  And so learning like what needs to get done, becoming really good at prioritization and like what is the important, what are the important tasks I actually have to do?
• 1:44:03
  What are the nice to have tasks?
• 1:44:06
  and what tasks come weight.
• 1:44:08
  Yeah, definitely.
• 1:44:10
  I love that.
• 1:44:11
  Yeah, and ask as multi-passionates, like asking, I often ask like the different crafts, like what are they asking of me?
• 1:44:17
  Like, how can I be supportive?
• 1:44:19
  Like, even as we're sitting here, the song is like, please like, like make me.
• 1:44:23
  It doesn't even matter what happens next.
• 1:44:25
  Oh, it's so cool.
• 1:44:27
  So it hasn't been made yet?
• 1:44:28
  No, like I have written it, but it hasn't been produced yet.
• 1:44:32
  It's hopefully going to happen in August.
• 1:44:34
  Like it hasn't been like studio recorded or anything.
• 1:44:37
  And then it's like, sometimes we think our craft wants a lot more from us than what it actually wants.
• 1:44:43
  Like maybe your writing just wants you to show up once, you know, for 15 minutes in the morning.
• 1:44:47
  And then it's like, oh my gosh, I feel so, you know, thank you for being here versus thinking we have to give this like perfect effort to everything.
• 1:44:55
  which is something I really struggle with, which is perfectionism.
• 1:44:57
  So, yeah, this is so amazing.
• 1:44:59
  I'm so glad that we get to tap into this.
• 1:45:02
  Wow.
• 1:45:04
  Is there anything you think that would be really of service for someone to hear that we haven't discussed when it comes to being a multi-passionate?
• 1:45:12
  Explored quite a few things.
• 1:45:15
  I think I've said it already, but I'll say it again.
• 1:45:19
  You don't have to monetize every passion.
• 1:45:21
  I think that's really important to know.
• 1:45:25
  especially for those of us that are quite naturally entrepreneurial and naturally something turns into work or business.
• 1:45:32
  Also to remember that you get to do some things just for you and your joy.
• 1:45:37
  And that's good enough to, you know, your success in a thing doesn't depend on how much money it's making or how much the world values it.
• 1:45:48
  Do you value it?
• 1:45:49
  Do you feel good doing it?
• 1:45:51
  Do you feel do you get joy doing it?
• 1:45:55
  Like that gets to be enough, too.
• 1:45:57
  You know, that's already success.
• 1:45:59
  And when you start to create from that space, from that space of I'm already successful because I'm sharing something I love, then the journey is going to feel much more pleasure filled.
• 1:46:10
  And then paradoxically, you'll probably reach the external success, you know.
• 1:46:16
  Yes.
• 1:46:18
  Oh, deep, deep invitations here.
• 1:46:20
  Not everything has to be monetized or make money.
• 1:46:23
  Following our joy will ultimately paradoxically lead to the success we are craving.
• 1:46:28
  And ultimately, that is what living is for is for this feeling of aliveness and meaning and fulfillment.
• 1:46:45
  Sometimes we can lose touch with and forget like what we love to do as a child.
• 1:46:49
  So what invitations would you give to us about like, I often find it's it's exploring passions I already had not like finding new passions.
• 1:46:58
  So, yeah, that's a really good one.
• 1:47:00
  Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  For people that come to me and they feel really disconnected from like, oh, what are my passions?
• 1:47:08
  What gives me joy?
• 1:47:09
  What should I do?
• 1:47:10
  I do love to invite them to ask questions.
• 1:47:13
  what did you like to do when you were a child?
• 1:47:16
  When you weren't focused on the outcome, when you weren't trying to make money from it, when you were doing it purely because it felt fun.
• 1:47:24
  And so exploring those, sometimes they might still resonate.
• 1:47:29
  Sometimes maybe they don't.
• 1:47:30
  They were just childhood things that no longer resonate now.
• 1:47:35
  Also love to invite people to ask,
• 1:47:38
  What if I had more unlimited time and also unlimited finances?
• 1:47:45
  What would I like to do with the time that I have?
• 1:47:47
  It's a really good question to sit with.
• 1:47:51
  If I...
• 1:47:53
  had constant stream of money coming in already live in the house that i want to live have the relationship that i want to want to have like all of that stuff is locked in solid and you've got unlimited time how would you spend it what activities would you like to do just because right just for your joy just for your fun and beginning to tune into those really help you connect to that sense of curiosity and intrigue without the outcome
• 1:48:21
  Hmm.
• 1:48:22
  Only if you feel cold.
• 1:48:23
  But do you do you know what your answer is?
• 1:48:25
  Oh, good question.
• 1:48:28
  It's funny.
• 1:48:29
  I think it would be more of what I'm doing now, because, for example, this I'm taking like three weeks off in August where I'm not going to go on a trip to a beach.
• 1:48:42
  I'm not going to sit on a tropical beach and I'm not leaving the country.
• 1:48:46
  I am not going to do any work.
• 1:48:48
  So I'm not coaching clients.
• 1:48:50
  I'm not teaching yoga.
• 1:48:52
  I just want to have time and space to go to dance classes, to practice DJing, to take yoga classes for myself, to do all of the things I love without it needing to be work.
• 1:49:03
  So I would probably if I had unlimited time and money pouring in, I would just do these things just for fun without needing to teach them or share them.
• 1:49:12
  Yeah, just just for me.
• 1:49:14
  Yes, you deserve it.
• 1:49:16
  Whoa, oh my word.
• 1:49:17
  It's so amazing that you've created a pocket for you to live that question, which so many people in their whole lifetime, like, well, you know what?
• 1:49:23
  Yeah, that's what that feels like.
• 1:49:25
  And that's such a gift and the life you've created for yourself like that that's possible is so beautiful.
• 1:49:30
  I love that actually, because I want like we get to all do that, you know.
• 1:49:36
  And of course, right now, I'm not able to do those things as much as I like, you know, because time is a time is a factor and I don't have unlimited time.
• 1:49:47
  But I do them as much as I can, you know, and I'm teaching them and sharing them with the world.
• 1:49:52
  Yeah.
• 1:49:55
  but we all get to find a version of that for ourselves.
• 1:50:00
  We all get to find a version of that for ourselves.
• 1:50:02
  Absolutely.
• 1:50:02
  A weekend, a day, a moment.
• 1:50:05
  Yes.
• 1:50:07
  So we're going to soon go to our closing ritual.
• 1:50:08
  But one thing that I find really fascinating that I want to just tap into is like teachers, because it's like there's so many people who have, who are like in this room with you, I'm sure, like dance teachers who've inspired you, yoga teachers who've inspired you.
• 1:50:24
  What do multi-personates need to know about finding teachers that really resonate with them?
• 1:50:28
  Beautiful thing is you get to have multiple teachers, you know?
• 1:50:33
  You get to have a teacher for each art and craft and skill.
• 1:50:37
  And so you're influenced by so many wonderful souls.
• 1:50:43
  And each teacher offers you something unique and different that you get to bring in.
• 1:50:50
  And so find teachers that you just resonate with, who you love to learn from, who you feel inspired by, who you take a class with them and you're like, oh, yeah, I want to do this more.
• 1:51:00
  Exactly.
• 1:51:01
  Yeah.
• 1:51:03
  I feel like that's part of also why a multi-passionate, that feeling that you're actually on an accelerated path is I think.
• 1:51:10
  you're so in touch with what resonates that you end up following the like finding and following the teachers that you're like, it's going to be her.
• 1:51:17
  It's going to be him, whether it's like a yoga teacher or a singing teacher, whatever you have access to, this could also be online.
• 1:51:23
  You know, you understand like, Oh, this podcast or this person, they're here to help me.
• 1:51:29
  I've had that with people where I'm like, Oh my word, this person is my virtual coach.
• 1:51:33
  Like you are my business coach or you are my whoever coach.
• 1:51:36
  So yeah.
• 1:51:37
  Thank you so, so much.
• 1:51:38
  We're going to go to our Soul Salon closing ritual, which is a few questions for you to answer in one or two sentences, just rapid fire what comes to you.
• 1:51:49
  And it's so exciting to be able to have you as part of this work and experience.
• 1:51:53
  It's such a gift.
• 1:51:53
  I'll say more at the end.
• 1:51:55
  But the first question is...
• 1:51:58
  We could heal the planet by.
• 1:52:00
  Each of us loving ourselves deeply and completely.
• 1:52:05
  A song that changed me forever is.
• 1:52:09
  Oh gosh, there's so many to pick from.
• 1:52:12
  Anything by Cleo Soul.
• 1:52:15
  Yeah.
• 1:52:16
  Know You Are Loved, maybe.
• 1:52:18
  Oh my gosh, I love Cleo Soul.
• 1:52:21
  I love how in her interview on Apple Music, she talks about how she sees herself as a channel.
• 1:52:26
  And she's just such a grounding and grounded artist.
• 1:52:28
  Oh, my word.
• 1:52:29
  Such a channel.
• 1:52:30
  She really is.
• 1:52:31
  She's such a channel.
• 1:52:32
  Oh, my gosh.
• 1:52:32
  Wow.
• 1:52:33
  And she's in she's from London, right?
• 1:52:34
  Yeah.
• 1:52:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:52:36
  OK, the next question is a book I would recommend to everyone.
• 1:52:40
  a return to love marianne williamson yeah yeah and it is that invitation back to the truth of who you've always been before the world told you who to be yes where we started yes into soul yes absolutely okay the next is a person i carry with me maybe my mom yeah yeah her support that she's always had for me yeah don't let anyone tell you that
• 1:53:06
  You can't do more than one thing.
• 1:53:14
  If there is one thing that you receive from this conversation, I hope that it could be.
• 1:53:18
  I hope that you know that you get to be all that you are, that you get to embrace all that you are and the world wants to see all that you are.
• 1:53:26
  And lastly, if my inner child walked through that door, I would say to her, keep dancing.
• 1:53:34
  Oh my goodness.
• 1:53:35
  And she did.
• 1:53:35
  Oh my word.
• 1:53:38
  Oh, thank you so much, Sabi.
• 1:53:40
  It's been so wonderful having you and just learning from you.
• 1:53:45
  I love how embodied and like expressed and expressive you are.
• 1:53:48
  And
• 1:53:48
  so clear that movement is something that you like channel your words through as well like I see you moving and you know really in your body and it's such a gift to witness to learn from you your wisdom the way that you are really holding such a like space for us as multi-passionates to feel so seen and like understood and you've really thought about this and felt it through your own experience and alchemized you know feeling out of place to finding a place for us to like a tree that
• 1:54:17
  oh my word I have so much shade here so thank you for the work that you do it's so beautiful and I mean you speak on so many topics as a multi-passionate and we're so lucky we get to learn from you where can people find you follow you stay in touch work with you thank you so much this has been such a joy so you can find me on instagram it's just my name sabby.cur my website is sabby.com
• 1:54:41
  and yeah if you want to work a little deeper i do all of this in one-to-one coaching i work with creative multi-passionates entrepreneurs that are navigating you know their path in the world um a combination of the external as well as all of the inner work that we've talked about
• 1:54:58
  We're so glad you're doing this work and honoring your calling and channeling this wisdom into the world.
• 1:55:03
  I can't imagine the ripple effects of these parts of people that they thought had to be almost dead that you like allow and you invite to be awake and alive.
• 1:55:12
  And then how that dimension of them connects to the whole world in a new way.
• 1:55:16
  It's amazing.
• 1:55:17
  Yeah, you're...
• 1:55:20
  multi-passionate expression in the world if it's a business or an art or whatever like is it such a deep spiritual journey it's a journey back to you to embracing you to honoring you to loving you yeah well thank you what a beautiful place to end
• 1:55:38
  thank you so much you're welcome thanks for having me thank you thank you thank you so much thank you so much everyone for traveling with us in this soul session this has been the soul salon with sabby kerr and hosted by me i understood i am so grateful soul siblings to be on this journey with you
• 1:55:55
  If you enjoyed this conversation, we would love if you could share it with a fellow multi-passionate, someone who has felt misunderstood, someone who has been told to be smaller or less than what they feel called to be.
• 1:56:06
  Let's spread this wisdom and invite maybe someone realizes, oh my word, I want to be an actor too.
• 1:56:10
  I want to be a dancer.
• 1:56:11
  I want to be a DJ.
• 1:56:12
  I want to do so many different things.
• 1:56:13
  And we help open up a portal that had been shut for many, many years.
• 1:56:18
  I'm sending so much love to you and I will see you on the next soul session.
• 1:56:22
  I love you.
• 1:56:22
  Bye.
• 1:56:23
  Gift just for you, heart made for us on this frequency.
• 1:56:28
  And it is a free ebook called the soulful visibility guide.
• 1:56:32
  That is soulful visibility.
• 1:56:34
  Like we don't just want to be seen.
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  We want to be felt.
• 1:56:36
  We want to be heard.
• 1:56:37
  We want to move and be moved.
• 1:56:39
  So I do have a free gift for you.
• 1:56:41
  And all you need to do is go to my website.
• 1:56:44
  I understood.com.
• 1:56:46
  And there you will be able to input your email address and receive this directly to your inbox.
• 1:56:51
  This is such a juicy and delicious guide.
• 1:56:54
  And I change the free offering every few months.
• 1:56:57
  So, you know, get it while you can.
• 1:56:59
  All the links are in the show notes.
• 1:57:01
  So thank you so much.
• 1:57:02
  I love you.
• 1:57:03
  And I will see you on the next Soul Session.
• 1:57:05
  Okay.
• 1:57:05
  I love you.
• 1:57:06
  Bye.