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NBA Gambling Woes, Long-Term Injuries to Former NFL Players, and More - With Carl Lee and Lisa Otey · WCHS Network Podcasts

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee and frequent guest
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  Speaker 4: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, we're in the building and and my co
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  Speaker 4: host Lisa Odie is available for us today and uh,
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  Speaker 4: unfortunately Hollis is unable to make it today.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and.
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  Speaker 2: We've got some interesting, interesting topics.
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  Speaker 5: And it's an interesting day, is well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the world of sports. Yes, yes, it really has
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  Speaker 2: that way. And let's let's talk.
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  Speaker 4: We'll open up with the with the whole gambling thing, okay,
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  Speaker 4: and the bout drop to that to me.
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  Speaker 5: Let's do this. Let's say this, this is even better
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  Speaker 5: before you get into it. Let's play the clip. That's
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  Speaker 5: the director who did the whole thing. So go ahead, Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Today we're here in New York to announce historic arrests
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  Speaker 6: across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the
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  Speaker 6: NBA and La Cosa Nostra. Individuals such as Chauncey Billups,
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  Speaker 6: Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were taking into today former
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  Speaker 6: current NBA players and coaches. This is an illegal gambling
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  Speaker 6: operation and sports rigging operation that spanned.
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  Speaker 5: The course of years.
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  Speaker 6: The FBI led a coordinative takedown across eleven states to
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  Speaker 6: arrest over thirty individuals today responsible for this case, which
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  Speaker 6: is very much ongoing. We also entered and executed a
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  Speaker 6: system of justice against La Casinosha to include the Bonano, Gambino,
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  Speaker 6: Genevesi and Luchas crime families. The chargers and the arrests
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  Speaker 6: that were taken down across this country range from wire fraud,
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  Speaker 6: money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling. We're talking about tens
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  Speaker 6: of millions of dollars in.
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  Speaker 2: Fraud and theft and robbery.
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  Speaker 6: Across a multi year investigation, they perpetrated a fraud that
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  Speaker 6: is historic in terms of not just money, but the
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  Speaker 6: scheme and the deceit that they utilize to steal and
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  Speaker 6: swindle people for money.
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  Speaker 5: Wow. I mean, I don't know about about you guys,
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  Speaker 5: but I felt like I was like in the middle
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  Speaker 5: of of a Godfather movie or maybe when they started
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  Speaker 5: naming all these crime families that were involved, I was like,
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  Speaker 5: this is like Good Fellows flashbacks. I mean, come on, Carl,
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  Speaker 5: and it's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me And what I can't really what I
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  Speaker 4: can't really fathom is what how did you get connected
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  Speaker 4: to that? You know, like, if I'm a player, like,
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  Speaker 4: how am I getting connected? Somebody's coming to me and
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  Speaker 4: asking me, are you willing to do this? Okay, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of speak negative
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  Speaker 4: too from the NFL standpoint, okay, and really from all
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  Speaker 4: sports who promote gambling that their commercials are gambling and
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna and you're gonna tell.
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  Speaker 2: Players you can't gamble.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, And now Back in the day, I didn't have
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  Speaker 4: enough money that I was gonna gamble.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't worded. I woke. I couldn't afford to lose.
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  Speaker 4: Today these guys got billions of dollars to where they
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  Speaker 4: can they can do this, you know, And and.
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  Speaker 5: That invites a question for me. If you have that
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  Speaker 5: much money, why would you risk all of that, even
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  Speaker 5: you know, the thoughts of possibly going to prison for
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  Speaker 5: who knows how long. You don't mess with peoples. You
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  Speaker 5: don't mess with the FBI and their money, and the
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  Speaker 5: irs and their money. I don't understand what possesses you
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  Speaker 5: to even risk for the little bit that they would
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  Speaker 5: make in these schemes, I would think.
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  Speaker 2: And and to your point of.
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  Speaker 4: The amount being little, even if they were to to
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  Speaker 4: let's say one night, one week, they might make let's
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  Speaker 4: say one hundred thousand dollars, right you know now.
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  Speaker 2: That that has me in line maybe like how do
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  Speaker 2: I get in that line?
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  Speaker 4: But on the other side of it, these dudes should
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  Speaker 4: and have made millions of dollars, So why would you
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  Speaker 4: risk your freedom and your reputation.
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  Speaker 5: Your reputation exactly, your legacy.
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  Speaker 2: You're your whole legacy. I mean it makes no sense
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, But I asked this question with no one
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  Speaker 4: in I don't think we're going to be able to
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  Speaker 4: really answer it, but we can maybe comment about what
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  Speaker 4: the possibility is. Where do you meet that guy? Like,
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  Speaker 4: where do you meet that that particular guy. Where's he at?
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  Speaker 4: He's not at He's not at the practice facility.
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  Speaker 5: Well now you just said this though, Carl. You said,
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  Speaker 5: now that you've got all of sports in bed with
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  Speaker 5: with gambling platforms, Well, you know that that just comes
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  Speaker 5: with it, That comes with the territory. These people are
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  Speaker 5: going to be more available. They're there to to put
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  Speaker 5: their their platforms, and along with the ones that are
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  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know how you can say clean gambling,
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  Speaker 5: but clean betting, you've also got the shady guys that
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  Speaker 5: come along with it.
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  Speaker 7: I think some of it has to do with the
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  Speaker 7: way that the spectator experience has been upgraded over the years.
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  Speaker 7: This was a topic we had on Metronie's Hotline with
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  Speaker 7: Dave Weekly last week. I was talking about the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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  Speaker 7: They're going to come up with this club that is
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  Speaker 7: only open to one hundred people, and it's something like
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  Speaker 7: fifty or sixty thousand dollars to be a part of it.
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  Speaker 7: But you're going to get all these benefits to go
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  Speaker 7: and see the game and be in the suites and
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  Speaker 7: stuff and do all that stuff. And I guarantee part
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  Speaker 7: of that is going to be meeting the players at
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  Speaker 7: some point. Sure, if you've got the money to afford
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  Speaker 7: that in.
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  Speaker 5: The first place, there's your connection.
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  Speaker 7: They're going to be in there, and then you're going
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  Speaker 7: to meet those players and you know where it counts out.
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  Speaker 7: It's just a little conversation turns into a hey, we
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  Speaker 7: all got a money proposition for you, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And when you're a retired player and you hear something
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  Speaker 4: like that, you're you're you're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be interested. Sure, you know, like even like.
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  Speaker 4: To me getting connected to the gentleman his name is
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  Speaker 4: Buddy Becker, who is a guy who we do autograph
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  Speaker 4: stuff with. And we'll talk maybe a little bit more
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  Speaker 4: about that later. But if he were to come to
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  Speaker 4: me and say, hey, would you be interested in you know,
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  Speaker 4: giving me your view of what you think the scores
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  Speaker 4: could be to this game that game, and I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to I'm gonna I'm gonna go out there and and
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  Speaker 4: and place a bet. So let's say I do that
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  Speaker 4: and he comes back and he says, hey, man, we won.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we might want to just do this again.
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  Speaker 4: So now all of a sudden, I'm I'm the guy
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  Speaker 4: he's coming to, sure, you know, to talk to about
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  Speaker 4: what the potential scores and differences would be and how
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  Speaker 4: he should be betting. When how long is that going
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  Speaker 4: to take for me to be betting on my own?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: See, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: At some point, I bet I'm like thinking I got
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  Speaker 4: to be able to do this on my own.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And just like Matt said that, they're finding ways,
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  Speaker 5: creative ways to get to these players and and and
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  Speaker 5: a lot of times innocently, when you create these clubs
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  Speaker 5: and things to to you know, to let fans get
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  Speaker 5: a you know, better, you know experience at a game,
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  Speaker 5: then then the bad can can slip through the through
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  Speaker 5: the cracks and get in there to those players. And
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  Speaker 5: so so I wanted to talk a little bit before we,
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  Speaker 5: you know, get any further about the type of problems
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  Speaker 5: or the type of things that they were doing that
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  Speaker 5: got them in this position. Of course, that the three
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  Speaker 5: main people that they focused on today were Miami Heat,
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  Speaker 5: guard Terry Rozier, and he was taken into custody in Orlando.
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  Speaker 5: He was accused of telling members of a betting ring
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  Speaker 5: that he would leave a game early and allow them
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  Speaker 5: to wager on his prop bets with the knowledge he
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  Speaker 5: would not rack up stats. Now, for me, I had
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  Speaker 5: to look up prop bets because I am.
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  Speaker 2: Not a season don't.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know gambling knees, right, So basically a prop
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  Speaker 5: bet carl is is short for proposition bets, And what
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  Speaker 5: it means is it's not so much win loss, like
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  Speaker 5: you bet on a team to win or you bet
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  Speaker 5: on a team to lose. It's more like betting on
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  Speaker 5: like what he did. Like you might say, this quarterback
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  Speaker 5: is gonna have this much yardage in this game. You
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  Speaker 5: can bet on that, right, you can bet on who's gonna,
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  Speaker 5: you know, throw the first touchdown. You know who's gonna
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  Speaker 5: are they gonna go into overtime. It's more the circumstances
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  Speaker 5: of the game rather than the victory or the loss.
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  Speaker 5: So for these players to do things like let these
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  Speaker 5: gambling rings know, hey, I'm leaving, think about the money
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  Speaker 5: that they can generate, you know, with these people making
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  Speaker 5: prop bets about oh, his stats are going to be
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  Speaker 5: like this this game when he leaves early. Well, there's
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  Speaker 5: no way he's gonna make that stat. So that was
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  Speaker 5: his problem. And then what blew my mind was with
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  Speaker 5: the other to the Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups and
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  Speaker 5: coach Damon Jones. Uh he was a ex Cleveland Cavaliers
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  Speaker 5: assistant coach. Their charges listen to this were related to
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  Speaker 5: sports betting, poker games, poker games that were rigged, And
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  Speaker 5: if you dig deep into all these allegations, it will
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  Speaker 5: blow your mind how the money that they must have
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  Speaker 5: made and these people helped what is that I mean,
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  Speaker 5: like I mean poker machines, Like I mean, this is
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  Speaker 5: part of the allegations against all of these crime families,
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  Speaker 5: Like there's rig technology in casinos, Like it goes deeper
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  Speaker 5: than just the NBA. This part of it, the prop
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  Speaker 5: best They.
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  Speaker 7: Were talking about how there was even like barcodes on
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  Speaker 7: cards at the poker table.
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  Speaker 8: You can zoom in and.
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  Speaker 5: See that they had, Like yeah, an extortion. Extortion was
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  Speaker 5: another piece of it, which is that's an ugly you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's got to be an ugly fault. Who knows what,
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  Speaker 5: But but it's it's just so deep and and and
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  Speaker 5: they've arrested I think like thirty four people so far.
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  Speaker 5: But I guarantee you there's more to this is gonna
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  Speaker 5: and it may it may transcend the NBA, it may
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  Speaker 5: go to other sports. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So all of these terms and all that kind
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  Speaker 4: of stuff, which which I have no working knowledge.
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  Speaker 5: Of, what until one.
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  Speaker 2: And and what what? What amazes me about that? How
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  Speaker 2: do you? How do you do that? Why would you
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  Speaker 2: want to do that.
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  Speaker 4: With a game that you played with I'm assuming with
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  Speaker 4: some integrity, some goal setting of what you wanted to do,
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  Speaker 4: what you wanted to be. And let's assume that I
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  Speaker 4: did all that, and I'm I'm that thing that I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to be.
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  Speaker 2: And my next my next step is going into gambling.
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  Speaker 4: I lose all of that. I'm risking all of that career,
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  Speaker 4: all of that legacy for money that do I really
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  Speaker 4: need it? Does any one of those guys really even
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  Speaker 4: need it?
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  Speaker 5: And and no they don't. You're right you're doing. But
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  Speaker 5: here's the thing. If they're capable, if these families are capable,
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  Speaker 5: I mean these are crime families, Yes, if they're capable
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  Speaker 5: of extortion. They may have given and I hate to
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  Speaker 5: say this because it's kind of cliche, but they may
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  Speaker 5: have given them offers they couldn't refuse. You know what
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying, like, you know, you need you need to
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  Speaker 5: do this, you need to do that, because this could
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  Speaker 5: be the consequence. I'm not saying that that's the truth.
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  Speaker 5: That's my own theory.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it is the sport.
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  Speaker 7: Of it too, as someone who is very minded in
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  Speaker 7: the mindset of being competitive and winning and winning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I think it just you take it from the game
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  Speaker 7: and you just move it to money. I think it's
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  Speaker 7: the same kind of addiction to winning, but just in
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  Speaker 7: a different.
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  Speaker 5: Realm, different forms.
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  Speaker 4: And I think you're right because I I've heard players
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  Speaker 4: talk about this or that, whatever thing that they're in
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  Speaker 4: that what they like about it is it's competitive. You
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  Speaker 4: know that, you know, And because the competitive side to
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  Speaker 4: a player, I think is is it becomes everything to
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  Speaker 4: you now fortunately or unfortunately however you want to look
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  Speaker 4: at it. For me, I love to play golf. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not very good at it. I can I can accept
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  Speaker 4: losing in that because I'm not very good.
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  Speaker 2: At it, we know, So.
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  Speaker 5: Just apply your w C hs.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, like, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Know if I'm so competitive to the to the to
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  Speaker 4: a degree that I would risk take that chance of
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  Speaker 4: the integrity of whatever integrity that I have on my name,
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  Speaker 4: whatever notoriety that I have in my name, Like, why
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  Speaker 4: would I risk that?
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  Speaker 5: But during your time, it was taboo, and that you've
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  Speaker 5: got that mindset.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe in the NFL, but Pete Rose, Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 7: banned in nineteen eighty nine.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was it was. Yeah, it was taboo.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. You could not do any sports betting,
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  Speaker 5: and now you couldn't. But it went on, well it
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  Speaker 5: went on. But what I'm saying is it wasn't something
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  Speaker 5: that they would let slide it that way. Okay, sure,
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  Speaker 5: because now we've got ESPN in bed with DraftKings or whoever,
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  Speaker 5: and they.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a problem.
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  Speaker 5: Listen today, I had and this is no lie. I
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  Speaker 5: had ESPN on. They broke the story or you know,
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  Speaker 5: they it's been on a cycle all day, but they
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  Speaker 5: tell the story about what this whole you know, this
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  Speaker 5: sports gambling thing going on. And then the very next
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  Speaker 5: segment they go to their sports betting uh segment, and
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  Speaker 5: they're talking about Well, this is a sure bet, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying, are you kidding me? Somebody's producer needs to
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  Speaker 5: answer for that, Like I think I would have put
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  Speaker 5: that a little further away from the story.
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  Speaker 2: Bet. Okay, well let me and let me ask this question.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So one, you bring on NBA players, You bring
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  Speaker 4: on all these star players to be host, co host
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  Speaker 4: and guests and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: And you're tying them into.
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  Speaker 4: Something that is basically whether they're former players or what
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  Speaker 4: you're you're you're adding on to something that could be
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  Speaker 4: detrimental to them. So how can I go to ESPN
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  Speaker 4: and be on the show and all they're talking about
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  Speaker 4: is gambling?
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  Speaker 2: I know?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, come on, that's their job this industry.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you get these national buys from ad agencies,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, so long as the ads are within
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  Speaker 7: the ambling laws of the state that they're airing, you know,
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  Speaker 7: they've paid for.
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  Speaker 8: It, so we have to air it.
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  Speaker 7: Same thing with programming, you can it's like ESPN program
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  Speaker 7: or even like a local station here. You you sell
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  Speaker 7: what's called like a benchmark and they'll be like a
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  Speaker 7: certain segment within a show, and then you go out
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  Speaker 7: and you find a sponsor. Same thing as how your
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  Speaker 7: podcasting sponsors you can sponsor their segments.
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  Speaker 8: So you get these draft kings and that MGM and
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  Speaker 8: all that.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a good look though, I mean, it's them
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  Speaker 5: all of the money now, I mean, it doesn't shock me.
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  Speaker 5: I mean we we've talked about this on the show before,
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  Speaker 5: but not we never dreamed that this would break to
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  Speaker 5: this extent.
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  Speaker 4: To where yes, we get actually save Yeah, this is
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  Speaker 4: the NBA and these folks are likely.
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  Speaker 2: To go to jail. Oh yeah, I mean and they're
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  Speaker 2: notable people.
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  Speaker 5: They're they're facing charges. Yes, there they're and and they've
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  Speaker 5: both been placed on leave. But we know where that
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  Speaker 5: and of course, let let's look at how this affects
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  Speaker 5: the NBA. Let's have that conversation, because we know, of you,
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  Speaker 5: ship has not been great the past what ten years,
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  Speaker 5: has been on a decline. It really has. You guys
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  Speaker 5: can disagree with me, you're right, and so the NBA
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  Speaker 5: that I can't you know, I'm going to paraphrase what
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  Speaker 5: their statement was about the whole the whole situation, but
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  Speaker 5: they said they're reviewing the whole situation, cooperating with the FBI,
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  Speaker 5: UH and they want their top priority is the integrity
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  Speaker 5: of the game. Why I think that ship's ship's kind
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  Speaker 5: of sailed right now. I don't know how you I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if they can repair this, especially if it
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  Speaker 5: goes deeper than what we what we're seeing right now.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it would be almost like you know, like the
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  Speaker 4: maybe like a steroid.
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  Speaker 2: Issue or a drug issue or whatever it happens.
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  Speaker 4: You you you, somebody gets caught doing whatever, right, they're
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  Speaker 4: caught red handed, so everybody's talking about them. All that
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  Speaker 4: the league or the organization wants to do is basically
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  Speaker 4: kind of separate themselves from that person and.
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  Speaker 2: Say, so Lisa was doing that.
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  Speaker 4: Really, I know she was a player, but she's doing
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  Speaker 4: that on her own. And we want to be over
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: here and we're going to start, uh putting some commercials
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: on that is going to be anti this, antie that,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: and that's the whole so we can get so we
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: can kind of get ourselves a fresh slate.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: No, you can't get it.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can get it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: There's because teams they implicated, right there are four teams
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: that they said probably had more ties and those were
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: the nuggets. No, No, I'm sorry the Hornets, the Raptors,
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Trailblazers of course their head coach, and then the Lakers.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: Who Lakers are on that list. It's a short list.
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: That's where your biggest money is in the league.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean that that kind of raises eyebrows, right,
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's right, that's money.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: I like the way you described it though, as kind
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: of like a drug issue, because in a way, I
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: mean it's sort of that same.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: People get a thing.
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the thing I think you're going to have.
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: I think the league, if they want to maintain any
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: sense of the game, there's going to have to be expulsions. Oh,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: we're gonna have to say, okay, you know, if you
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: indictments are one thing that if they're proven guilty, right,
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: you've got to say you no longer have a place
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: in the NBA as a coach, as a player.
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: You're out, You're done. That's it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: I'm going to counterpoint what you just said about the addiction.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: I know that, Yeah, some of the athletes actually have
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: problems with making bets. That that's part of a gambling addiction.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: We're talking about someone that lets these gambling you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: groups or whatever you want to call families, the crime
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: families know when they're leaving a game or know that
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: this is going to happen, that that's not an addiction.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: That is that's just kind of shady my book.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Like, that's that's making money.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: That's making money.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: That's that's right, making money.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: That's outside of like a gambling problem, isn't it.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know, so I would, I would think so.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: And that's why I go back to my point about
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: maybe these crime family I mean, it all come out.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: It's gonna come out eventually, and I think there's gonna
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: be way more coming out in the future. But I
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: mean I think that maybe some of these crime families
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: may have put some pressure. They may have had some
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: dirt on some of these players you don't know, and said, hey,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: you need to cooperate with us.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: And I mean, if we if we've seen anything in
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: the news this year, it's that there have been some
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: really crazy parties with celebrities.
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: That have been going on for a while.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Amen.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: That's that's really really and they could have that they
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: could create a great point.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Hanging over somebody's heads.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, because you know, when you when you get
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: connected with somebody you know and like I said, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I'm connected.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: With a guy who helps me, helps me make money.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Signing autographs and all that kind of stuff. So somebody
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: else says, well, you know what I got, I got
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: a better way. You know, if you just do this
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: or do that, Yeah, I can double that money for
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: you and guarantee guarantee that you can that you can
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: make it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: What's my first thing? What is it? Now?
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: The question then becomes when he says it, and I
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: can and I can see that there's something wrong with it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: If I accept it, I'm I'm accountable. I'm I'm I'm
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: straight up accountable. I should have to turn I should
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: be smart enough to turn that away because I know
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: if there's any chance of getting caught, I don't want it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I just don't want it. It's it's just it's too
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: it's it's too much. Man, it's thirty Yeah it is.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: And here's here's the thing too, it's even over the decades,
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: it's a very small pool of people, so there's going
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: to be connections everywhere. There's only been about five thousand
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: players in the NBA since its inception, the NFL only
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: twenty five thousand. That's over the whole entire length of
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: the NFL, there's only twenty five thousand players.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's crazy because you'd think more.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Well you would, man, you know, that does make you
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: realize real quick. You know, you've got a connection to
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: one guy who's probably got a connection to somebody who's
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: got the I mean, it's not that far of a
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: separation between you and this.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: If I can get you, then I can get Lisa. Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: In my mind, the guy who's talking to me about, hey,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you know these people, you know, some certain people that
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: you can maybe bring into it with. And I'm like thinking, well, yeah,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I do. I've got a couple right there at the station.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: You know, I can probably talk to them. Next thing,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: you know, you're thinking, well, who do I know? Lisa's
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: thinking about who do I know?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: So that's why I think this list will grow. I
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: don't think this is the end of it, and I
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: think it's going to get uglier, and I think there's
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: going to be some more recognizable names that come out
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: that it won't be pretty. I also read and then
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: I'll we can do whatever. But I also read an
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: article a lawyer kind of summarized what the allegations of
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: the FBI, what they their findings were, and basically he
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: had three three points and the first point was NBA
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: players and coachers coaches were a crucial part plural. Did
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: you hear that coaches and players were a crucial part
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: of both alleged rings. They were sources of information for
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: betters who put money on prop bets. They also released
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: non public information about who wasn't playing in games. And
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: like I said, you know, thirty four were arrested, so
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: that was the other part of it. But it just
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: blows my mind that it has gotten to this point
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: and how long the FBI had been actually investigating. This
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: has been going on for quite some time.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: But who's the thirty four? Who were the third I mean,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: what role did they play? And who are they?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: What? What?
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: What?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: What's what makes me? What? What? What makes me think?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: What comes to my mind?
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: If I'm the coach and I'm I'm involved in it,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: who else would I want to try to get involved with?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I would try to I need I'm gonna need my star.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: Okay, So it looks like Chauncey Billips, Terry Rosier, yeah,
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: Damon Jones were the three inside the NBA and then
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: the other thirty one defendants include members and associates of
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: organized crime families, so it's only a few folks from
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: the lead.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Yes, but see, like, okay, so let's say I'm doing
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: and Lisa's another Lisa's a friend of mine, and she's
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: in the league too, and I'm thinking this is a
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: good deal.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So at some point I had to have talked to
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: her about it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think I'm gonna keep that as then I'm
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: going to talk to you about it, or at least
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: is going to talk to you about it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Say hey, es, Carl, talk to you about this.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: You know, I just don't know how just from my
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: inside process of locker room talk, hanging out.
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: Talk, association, association with everybody, yes, with everybody that you have,
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: I just don't see me thinking like I'm going to
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: hold this to myself because I can make more money
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: if I the more people I can get under me,
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: I can make money.
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: I personally think in these situations, I feel like more
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: times than not, people are actually just real out in
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: the open about it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: They're not really actually secretive at all.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: That may be true too, well, they've made it to
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: that it doesn't feel like it's wrong. I mean, like
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I said, you can turn on ESPN or whatever, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: and gambling is not it's not shunned. I mean, it's
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: it's part of every all sports well.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: And I think once you get to that certain level,
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: you can be a little bit more open because even
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: though you're being open about it, you're still in a
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: tight circle. Yes, in the controlled environment because you're in
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: professional sports. So that I think is going to limit
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: the exposure to the And again, you know, I think
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: you can be open in that situation because everyone else
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: that knows kind of what's going on, they're in it too.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: So Sterling just commented live on our my video for Facebook.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: He's not going to call in Sterling, He's just going
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: to comment. Love you. I'll read what he said.
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: Though.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: He said, no, the athletes just made mistakes. Yeah, I
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: agree with that. Yeah, I mean they are huge mistakes.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: But unfortunately their mistakes are going to pay for judgment
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: poor judgment for sure. And I think the influence, I mean,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: like I said, I think that we've we've kind of
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: just been going down this path of destruction by a
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: little by little, allowing the gambling platform as becoming part
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: of the norm of sports. I just feel like that
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: that was that was the first mistake before the athletes
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: make mistakes.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I I you know, I just feel like like you
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: you are, what would make you, what would make you first,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: what would make you start, what would make you even
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: get into some racket like that? Like why are you
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: sitting around and trying to figure out, like, well, let
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: me gamble, Let me gamble, because there's gambling that you
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: don't that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: You can do.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: But you you already know you can't gamble on sports.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: You already know you're you were in the sport, so
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: you can't gamble and you can't you can't make those bets.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: I just think they're so inundated with it. I mean
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: I think that you know, and it's so easy. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: mean it's not like it used to be where you
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: you had to go out on the street and meet
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: a person to make a bet or go to the casino.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, you just pick up your phone.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: But you could sign an off, you can sign your name.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: You could probably go somewhere and sign your name and
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: make that kind of money.
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: I think people are either a gambler or they're not.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: I mean, like for me personally, I'm not a gambler.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: I get nothing out of it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I get nothing out of it either, but I know for.
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: Some people there's a thrill in it. And and just.
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: Because you can't bet on if you're a professional athlete,
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: just because you can't bet in sports or in your sport,
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: I mean you.
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: Can still be a gambler.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: So, I mean it's it's just.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: If you need to get that fixed, you can get
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: it somewhere else.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: And I think that it's an easy bridge to cross now,
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: because like you mentioned, made it so much easier.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: That's everywhere.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Well, tell Sterling, I'm not I'm not. I totally disagree
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: with him. And if and if he wants it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: To be, you're fired to meet each other in the
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: unemployment line.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: We're gonna take a quick break here, but let him know.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: We're gonna change the number. And I'm gonna have I'm
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: gonna force you to change your number. I'll gonna fire you.
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  Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen. All right, so we're gonna
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: switch subjects.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: And Lisa, this subject is really not a it's not
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: one that I'm really happy about to.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Discuss.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Really one of the best players that I think I've
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: ever really seen in my life, and for sure as
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: a defensive back. His name was Joey Browner. And I
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people remember the family of the Browners,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: who all kind of play maid football and different sports.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I was, I was in Minnesota for the game last weekend,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: and I saw some pictures of it. Yeah, and Joey
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: was like about a six three six' four two thirty
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: two forty strong safety that can run.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And could take on a. Lot he was a.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Legend he was like he was he was just he
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: was so so so, talented.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: And, well CAN i give a little, background just BECAUSE
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: i know when you mentioned your friend to. Me it
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: took me a. MINUTE i had to kind of go
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: back and look, up you know the. THINGS i was.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Shocked and we had this conversation before we came on
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: the air about why he hasn't been on the ballot
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: to The hall Of National Football hall Of. Fame but
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: he was A, vikings like you, said defense back from
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety, one played college FOR
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Usc he was selected nineteenth overall in the first round
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: of the nineteen eighty THREE Nfl, draft and he was
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: selected to Six Pro Boat? Bowls, carl how? Many how? Many?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Three he?
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Had? Six? Yes, OH i just want to make sure
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: you clarified. That and Since i'm fired, anyway he amassd
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: over eleven hundred total tackles in his career with The,
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: vikings caused eighteen, fumbles were covered sixteen of, them and
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: led The vikings in non defensive categories over his. Career
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: so he is a very, established Storied viking. Player and
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: it's and it's unbeing nice to me UNTIL i looked it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Up BUT i was, amazed and maybe for maybe for
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: a lot of, People but when you start talking About Ronnie,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Lott Kenny, easley some of those you know safeties back
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: in the.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Day joey.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Came in and became one of those guys during his
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: erau and and one of the things THAT i can remember,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: was you, Know, Joey joey was a really mild mannered
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: kind of a. Guy and and he he he just
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: played like he was just a reactor to the. Play we,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: changed not, we but The vikings changed how the strong
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: safety played and made him almost really like a. Linebacker
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: and you, know he so he'd be covering basically tight
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: ends and and and people like that more so than
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: than than wideouts when we'd be playing man the.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Man but he was so amazingly physical THAT.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: I don't even know in today's, Game LIKE i don't
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: even know if if if he could fit today's.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: GAME i just, yeah he was just two or the.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Penalty he would get, penalty he'd.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Get thrown, out things he could he'd picked people, up
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: he'd throw them down like you, know and if you
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: walked up on, him like he'd throw three or four
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: or five punches in a row without like even.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Thinking you, know he was just like he was just
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: he was.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Reactive And i'm telling you when we when when when
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: we were talking WHEN i was In minnesota this past,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Weekend like it was one thing to hear, it but
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: then somebody showed me like two pictures of, them and
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: one of them was like he he didn't have a shirt,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: on WHICH i have no idea why he would not
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: have a shirt, on and taking a picture other than.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: To to to make the case this is how he.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Looked and you, KNOW i DON'T i can't EVEN i
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: can't even tell you like he was Probably i'm telling you,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: kids you're not like he was probably as then as you, like.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah where did? Where what's going?
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: On?
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah you?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Know and AND i heard a lot of there's a
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: whole lot of back talk about different things and how
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: he got to this place and how HE i guess
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: maybe people helped him to get to this bad. Place
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: but you, KNOW i don't have any facts behind, that
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: SO i don't want to really want to speak on
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: that just but more so just you, know when, players
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: when players get in this, SITUATION i think management ownership
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: should really play a major.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Role, absolutely you.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: KNOW i think you, know whatever then and.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: If dedicated the best years of your, life your, health
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: your your all of, it and probably maybe we don't.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Know like we, said you're not going to, speculate but
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: there's a possibility that it's related to pass play in THE. Nfl,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: yes and they should just step up their, game.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Even even if you don't know, that, right even if
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: you don't, know even if you don't know, that here's
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: a player that, has you, know.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Spend his life in your.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Organization you get to have claimed him as a great.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Player and now he's in a very difficult.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Situation so you don't feel like The vikings have have
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: stepped in at.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: ALL i don't.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: KNOW i do Know Tommy kramer did a, fundraiser, yes
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: like LAST i don't, know a couple of months. Ago,
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Yes sultz memorabilia that was going to go toward his.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Care there were there.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Were quite a few of the guys who stepped, in
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: and again that was that Was i'll Give i'll give
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: props To Buddy Buddy. Becker he he did. That he's
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: not affiliated at all with The Viking. Vikings he's just
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: that's that's just on his. Own that's he's just a
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: super good guy and and he's he Knows joey somewhat,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: well and he wanted to make sure that there was
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: he could he had some place to where he could
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: go and be taken care.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Of and and so.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: He he created that or raise that money for. Him
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: But i'm telling, you like it's and it's kind of
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: still bothered me a little bit, inside because, like this
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: was a guy that was probably one of the best
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Players i've ever been on a team, with, right you,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: know best one of the best defensive backs safeties THAT
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: i may have ever ever. Known and and AND i
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: didn't play With Ronnie, lott AND i didn't play with
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: none of those kind of Guys Kenny easily and and
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: all Those BUT i knew what what he could. Do
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: and now to to sit here and have to, realize you,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: know maybe what his fate, is you, know like and AND,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: i LIKE i, SAID I i don't really know where
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: the family. IS i don't know where they you, know
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: their involvement in taking care of.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Them, Sure But i'm sure if he's if he's that you,
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: know that, ill that catastrophic, illness that it's probably just taken,
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: on you know how it is with. HEALTHCARE i, mean
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: it's probably been a huge expense just to get him
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: taken care. Of the family may be involved and just
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: ran out of. MONEY i, mean it's just a sad.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: SITUATION i feel, like is this sort of one of
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: the things that The Players association and former players have
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: really been fighting. FOR i, MEAN i think the bulk
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: of the spotlight has been on brain injuries and memory
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: loss and things like, that BUT i think we're also
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: finding that there's a lot of other health issues that
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: have come from, playing especially you, know thirty forty fifty
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: years ago that for, ONE i don't think medical technology
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: was really there right, there weren't doctors as many doctors
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: on the sidelines the way they have them. Now there's
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: not all these protocols that they have in place down
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: and take someone out of the game if they suspect an.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: INJURY i, mean it's kind OF i, mean this is
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: like a prime example of there's work.
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: That has been. Done there's a lot of work that
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: still needs to be.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Done AND i think the work THAT i think the
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: work that needs to be done can be done if
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: we just decide. To AND i THINK i think the
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: problem to me and the work of what work needs
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: to happen is you have to treat you have to
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: take care of that particular. Player you don't just you.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Can you can give him a, dollar that's, fine that'll.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Help but you have doctors that you have appointed for
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: this and for, that and for this and for.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: That send him to that. Doctor have that doctor send
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the bill to.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: You you know What.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I'm, Saying like.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: In when you get, Forgotten, yes like players like you
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: guys are just kind of you were. THERE i mean
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: you were there when the league was really building its
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: name and getting to this point that it is, today
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: and then you guys are just kind of left in
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: the shadows when it comes to this this kind of.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: STUFF i think everything that you're giving, us everything that's
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: WE'RE i think everybody's, THANKFUL i think every.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Player but on the other side.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Of, it it, is when you really think about, it
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: it's really, Small like it's just it's a it's a
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: compared to today today in what you're. Paying you're paying
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: a six digit last round. Pick you know you're going
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: to pay him six, digits, Right and you can't tell
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: me that you don't have the funding.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: To help players out.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Who are medically have a medical issue that could likely
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: run drain you of your of your, money any money
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: that you could have, had or is it situation where
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: like this particular situation With joey where his whole life
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: is is in an uproar because of his. Situation have they.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: And you you may not be able to answer this, Question,
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: caral but if they reached has anyone reached out to
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: the to the team and and to the organization and
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: said this is going on with this?
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Player AND i THINK i think someone has CONTACTED i
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: think somebody has contacted the. League BUT i think THAT
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: i would THINK i would like to hope that The
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: vikings would, know, yes now do they can they get to?
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Him will somebody try, to.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: You, know make that work so so that there's a
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: conversation or talking about? Him could to, Me i'd like
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: to think that my, family one of my family, members you,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: know you, Know i'd like to think that If donna
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: said something was going, on.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: She would reach, out she would.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: Reach out to somebody and try to figure out how
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: to you, know what CAN i do need to do?
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: This BUT i don't know If joey has been close
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: enough to some of the family members that he that's
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: that's that's around now to where for them to even.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Know AND i think THAT i think.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: The hardest part about that type of situation for a
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: spouse is you don't, know, right you, know there's so
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: many different organizations and mail that you.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Get you're looking at it and you're, like, well what is?
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: This and you're just.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Overwhelmed you're just overwhelmed with, everything with the, illness with the,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: bills with just everything that comes with.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: It, Right and when you get to that, point there's
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: no there's no there's no space for you to.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Spend time trying to look something.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Up what DO i?
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Look there's got to be an eight hundred number to,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: This so there's got to be an eight hundred number to.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: That you're just like every, day you're trying to get
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: me out of, Bed you're trying to get me, dressed
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: you're trying to get me.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Showered you're in. Surval, yeah you're in survival, mode you.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Know AND i really don't and and AND i really
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: don't know that people understand this is this is on
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: a track to get worse.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: With current, players you.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Know AND i hate to you, KNOW i hate to say,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: it but that's there's a reality that this is only
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: going to get, Worse this is not going to get. Better,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Right helmet all the helmet safety that you can.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: Create right when you take so many, hits so many, hits, yeah,
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: NATURAL i mean you're going to have some.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Issues your head and your brain are not supposed to
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: really do what football, does, right you, Know and and it's.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: So they need to they the. League kind of what
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: you're saying is the league kind of needs to look
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: at the future players and say and in former players and,
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: say we need some type of protocol in place when
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: someone has a catastrophic injury or a catastrophe struck illness
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: that may or may not be related to the. Game
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: they were our. Players just like an employee of a
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: company or a, business they have an obligation to help
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: you get through whatever it is that or get you,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: know the resources that you, need whether it's treatment or
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: paying the costs that come along with that type of.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Illness they need to be active in that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Absolutely and on top of, that when you start talking
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: about the professional, ranks you start talking about the college.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Ranks now look at the college and the ranks and
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: look at the kind of money they're given.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: For, nil, RIGHT i mean the money is.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: There, yeah the dudes are happy to get that.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Nil but it's what happens though if you get the
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: nil money and you you forget even who you, are
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: where to, go how to move. Around what's that money good?
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: For?
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah you?
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Know and so my family put a price on.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Health no you.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Cannot AND i and to, ME i just think that
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: that the, college at the collegiate level and at the
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: at the professional, levels there has to be. Work there
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: has to be work to try to, fix to try to,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: solve to try To there should be study after study
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: after study of ways to.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Prevent, it stop it. Whatever just just just address.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: It put out some kind of WHAT i would, say
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: true effort two to address, it because you're not saying.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Anything you know What i'm, Saying you're not LIKE i
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: would like for The vikings to to make, it to
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: say it in the on in public In minneapolis and,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: say you, know this is what's going on With Joey,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: brown and we we're doing some things to try to help.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Him and because there are people who would show up
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: and do things for, him help him with just.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: It just like you know you're play like your former
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: players that know, him like Like Tommy, kramer you know
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: they're they're pitching in they're trying, to you, know help
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: him in, fact who was the player we had on
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: and he mentioned he mentioned this. SITUATION i can't, remember
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: BUT i remember him talking about might, WELL i don't,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: KNOW i can't. Remember so you.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: Would think a league that makes over twenty billion dollars
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: a year here we, go could afford. SOMETHING i mean,
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: THERE i was just looking up some of the money
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: stats for THE nfl with the broadcast of media deals
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: between twenty twenty two through twenty thirty. Three it's over
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: one hundred and ten billion dollars in guaranteed. Revenues at the.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Least the owners should be, Responsible.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: So you couldn't put one, players so you couldn't come
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: out with one billion team to potentially howse somebody or
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: pay their their medical bills or.
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: Something when the way you were to talking about it earlier,
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: too it kind of got me thinking about why why
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: is there? Not why is there not like a specific
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: medical program FOR nfl players where if like an, insurance,
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: yeah if something gets beyond something that they can just
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: go to their local hospital wherever they live and deal
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: with if something has become.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: So and we have and here's the, thing we have,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: insurance which is. Good.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah you, know as a former, PLAYER i can you,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: know AND i have reimbursement, money you, know for for
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: any of the payments THAT i, have it's a one time, payment,
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: okay and it's it's.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not.
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: Alive you.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Know if you IF i had an IF i had a,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: surgery SAY i had a knee, Surgery i'm probably gonna
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: be about halfway through that money BEFORE i get, well you,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: know and then it's.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Gone, unfortunately that's a reflection of healthcare and in the.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: Nation that is. TRUE i, mean it is just a
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: it's it's a thing that needs to be addressed. Globally
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: So i'm sorry about your. FRIEND i really. Am, yeah
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: it's you, know it's it's it's that's, tough it's.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: It's gut it's gut, wrenching and it's it's scary because you,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: know you just don't, know like who's, Next and then
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: on on on on bringing Up. Tommy you, Know Tommy
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: kramer has been you, know he has been an alcoholic
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: for Since i've known, him since we played.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Together and he's finally off of.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: It and he's been off now maybe six or seven,
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: MONTHS i think, maybe and he looks so much.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Better he still doesn't talk a whole, Lot he'll.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Laugh he's moving around, better is not as slow as
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: he was. Before and and, again this, family The becker,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: family has done so much for. Him like he stays
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: there with, them he would have no place to. Go,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: wow he lives there with. Them, no, no no, paid you,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: know doesn't pay. Anything he gets his. Meals they're, LIKE
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: i don't want to say it's like a, child but
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: he's like he's like a third party in the. Household
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: and who does, that? Right you, know who's going to
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: do that for? Him if if if not, them then.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: Who it's a good way to sum it. Up if not,
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: them then?
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: Who that is the big question question, Really and he's
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: the biggest.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Guy he's the biggest.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Guy every signing that we go, to, yeah everybody's, like,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: oh It's Tommy. Kramer yeah he. Can he signed his
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: name same way he used. To you, know it's a
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: little bit, slower but it's the same audimn you. Know
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: And i'm telling you.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Now that you mentioned, HIM i. WANTED i wanted to
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: bring up SOMETHING i was exploring when WHEN i looked to,
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: it kind OF i kind of went down a rabbit.
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: Hole imagine that that never happens when you're on the, internet,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: Right SO i get on there AND i looked up
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: about your, friend and then it it sent me to
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: a link About Tommy. Kramer and so then WHEN i
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: look over to the, corner there was another another link To.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: Uh it was just it said Sports legends and it
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: was you, Know, vikings you, Guys and SO i clicked
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: on it AND i went through the players and lo
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: and behold there's Car. Lee AND i, said, well why
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: haven't you talked about? This what you? Know what what
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: what you guys do in this this ORGAN i don't
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: know what you call, it like a club an, organization
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: but can you tell us just a little bit about
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: how you're involved with the Sports?
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: Legends, well it's it's more so a term that they
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: use for retired. Players, yeah do most teams have this
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: or just The? VIKINGS i, FIGURED i don't know. That
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: i've never heard it from anybody. Else, okay you, know,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: okay BUT i know that The. VIKINGS i mean THAT'S i,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: mean you get referred to that way almost everywhere you,
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: go like these are The Viking. Legends, yeah you, know that's.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: It's like it is like a club.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Elite, well anybody who has, retired anybody who is who's there.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Present you're gonna get. That that that's gonna be a
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: term that you're gonna. Get i've got tons and tons
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: of shirts that have like, Legends viking legends and stuff like.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: That wait a, minute, hello where's.
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: Our, Shirt?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Matt, well you AND i aren't.
• 51:35
  Speaker 8: Legends i'm.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: Sorry, SHOOT i bought my grandson a sweat top WHILE
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: i was up, there and it just Has Minnesota vikings
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: because you know they.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: They, yeah you know yet, anyway we don't. Know hopefully
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: maybe sooner or later we'll be to do. That there you.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Go but but, yeah the Whole, tommy the Whole Tommy kramer. Thing,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: MAN i just think that it's you, know everywhere around the.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: League i'm sure almost every team has someone or a
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: host of players who are in a very tough situation
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: and yet they some kind of, way grace Of, god
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: they find themselves back into a good.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Situation but it takes.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: People who, care, absolutely it takes people who, care you,
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: know The. BECKERS i, MEAN i, mean when you got
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: a place to, stay a place to take a, bath
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: take a, shower eat all those kind of, things watch.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Games he's a huge, Gamer like he loves to watch football.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Games and so he's sitting there and eating and watching the.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: Game and it's like and again the crazy, thing like
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: he doesn't say a word watching the. Game he doesn't,
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: critique he doesn't talk to. You he doesn't say, like
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: oh that was a bad. Play, yeah he says.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Nothing strong. Silence it's a strong.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Salent and he's getting a little bit better because he
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: smiles and he.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Laughs, no that was that this past weekend talking about
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: you were hanging out With, yes we got a chance
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: to hang.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: Out and So i'm thinking long term like, this this
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: is really going TO i think gonna help him get
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: really really better going.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Forward you, know just keep him.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Supporting, Yes, Yes LIKE i, said he's got a great support. Team,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: yeah with The, beckers that's for.
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah that's. Awesome so you want to talk about
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: Where i'm Going sunday?
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: NIGHT a little?
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: BIT a little, BIT a little.
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: BIT i think his eyes rolled out of his.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Skull are we're done with the?
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Show are?
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: WE i think we have about five minutes.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Squeeze in a little. Talk, Okay so for everybody who's,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Listening lisa is going.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: Somewhere i'm actually going to The sunday night football game
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: The Steelers. Packers my girlfriend AND i bought tickets. Today
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: we've we've planned. This we planned this trip for like.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: Forever like we WENT i think it was about about
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: two years. Ago The packers went up there and they
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: lost to. This we went to that game as. Well
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: but we we saw this on the on THE nfl
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: schedule and we circled it like we were, Ready we're
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: ready to.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Roll so you actually have a friend it's A packer fan.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: Too oh, no, no she's A steelers. Fan oh my, GOD
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: i knew he had to get that dig.
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: In Now i'm jealous Because i've never been to A packers, game.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: Never not not even. Away, no, wow this one been
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: the perfect. Opportunity it's not a bad.
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: Drob i've been to SEVERAL nfl, games but yeahs.
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: Okay i've been To lambeau once and that was.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Cool that's. Different that's an.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: Experience, yeah that's a whole. Thing but, yeah but you,
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: know it's kind of going to be cool because the
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: game is all about you, know the hype around. It
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: of course it's the only game you know On sunday. Night,
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: uh and also just the idea Of Jordan love And
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: Aaron rodgers playing each other because it's like the teacher
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: student kind of like vib.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: And and and to that.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Point you know a lot of times you'd like to
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: think that the student comes out. BETTER i don't, know,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: SEE i you, know.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: You're my thought.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Process, okay If i'm being taught, something you, know Like i'm, Thinking,
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: OKAY i want to come out of this, thing AND
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: i want to be better than the guy who's teaching.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: Me, sure you know there's that. Competition of, course as.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Much AS i appreciate, it you, KNOW i WANT i
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: want to BE i want to be better than.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: Them, Yeah and.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: So you don't think like that's gonna, WELL i.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: MEAN i think. THAT i think the media has kind
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: of built up a lot of hype about this being
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: a revenge, game you, know like because you, know in twenty,
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: twenty whenever The packers Drafted Jordan, love you, Know Aaron
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: rodgers was not. HAPPY a lot of fans weren't. Happy
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: we thought he needed some you, know to drive that
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: the organization needed to draft some receivers to help him.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: Out and, well now you, know but fast forward to
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: now to the present. Moment, yes that that was the
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: best thing that could have happened to The packer. Organization
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: but you, know it was just it was just strange
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: because you, know the media is trying to build up,
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: this you, know calling, it you, know a revenge game
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: and that you know it's going to, be you, know
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: a lot of animosity on the, field And Aaron rodgers
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: kind of came out, lately you, Know impress conferences with
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: him and, said you know, WHAT i don't have any
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: animosity toward this, Team like you, Know i'm good with.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: It i'm happy to see some guys and you, know
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: it's not A it's not that way at. All SO
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: i don't, know we'll SEE i THINK i think what
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: they say and what they really feel is two different.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Things, yes, yes.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Okay so WHEN i went to The, saints fortunately or,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: unfortunately we ended up playing The, vikings AND i want
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: to say it was a preseason game, actually and for,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: me you, know everything in my, mind this is a.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Game and for everybody WHO i, cover Who i've covered
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: in one on ones in, Practice i'm gonna shut them.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Down that's you, Know it's just it's JUST i don't
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: think you can get cut from a, team and it
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: be okay especially and then play them and because you
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: already know everybody that that's gonna cover you or, yeah
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: whatever the case may, be whatever your position, is you
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: know who they, are you know how, good you know
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: their their, flaws you know all of, that so you're
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: gonna use every piece of that to get back at.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: Them, WELL i, MEAN i, MEAN i think that's that's
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: a good. Point but you know that the defense is
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: ALSO i, MEAN i don't know how many of the.
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: PLAYERS i, MEAN i think we've still got quite a,
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: few but they're gonna kind of Know aaron's moves, too
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: so it goes both.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Ways but, right and, yes and and there's age there.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: Too, YEAH i, MEAN i think it's gonna be a great.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: Game i'm hoping it is, Anyway and.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: To be, honest it really should.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: WEAR i don't think it should be really a quarterback topic.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: GAME i really don't think it should be because, again
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: you get, yeah, yeah AND i don't think that's really
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: that's really what's gonna win or lose.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: It i'll Be i'll be WHEN i roll in Next
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: monday for the, podcast we'll see we'll see WHAT i
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: look like and feel like and all.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: That all, Right, well we'll look forward to job.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Job, yeah you call me before you come in. Here,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: okay just all, right ladies and, gentlemen we will get
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: back to you next. Week. Maybe all, right we're out.
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