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פרק 3 - היכרות עם המונדיאלים · תעירו אותי בשמינית

• Ory: Ready? you You saw me in episode 8, episode 3! 8 days in the world, what a surprise! Yaniv: Oppa! Ory: Welcome to the Resi Ancelotti Donatoni. I am the man who and I will your master. Yaniv: Baba Tzavori. Ory: What's happening? What's What's happening, Yanniv? Yaniv: Wow, wow, wow, what a pleasure to another episode. This is the highlight of the week that I've waiting for, it's important about. Ory: How was your You were in New York. Yaniv: Yes, it was an interesting I had some work to do. I went to New York. I wanted to get some atmosphere from Mondial. It's nice. You down to the and there are pictures and a freedom coming out of a ball and all kinds of and it's great. In the city itself, every person I wear a Nike shirt, to call the end that begins today. There a very, very big to end the NBA, much more than Mondial. Ory: Wow Yaniv: 99 99 since 99 crazy crazy But something funny happened to in New York that is connected to the world cup, asked me in the first I think I the atmosphere So we down for dinner And someone asked me if I excited about the world cup and I know I like football I started talking about a to say that I'm excited that we have a podcast and this that and that Ory: Okay Yaniv: Then suddenly one them sat next to me and told told me, Which World Cup are you talking about? said, Football, Soccer, you know? So told me, Oh, you mean the FIFA thing that's happening? I yes, the FIFA thing. She said, Oh, one of my gave me a card for something FIFA, I don't know if it's worth something, tell me what you think. So she took out phone. Ory: Wow, you're coming fast, you're coming fast, right? Yaniv: In short, I what will you me? Is he in a Kistah against Congo or something? She picked up the phone, she told me, I VIP, to Swita in Los Angeles, to the Cup quarter. She said, is good? Ory: Wow! ⁓ Yaniv: I to explain in English, God gave goats to those who have no teeth, but it didn't work. It's a idea. In the last I to if you are struggling, you get or you have a plus one, please, me, it's also your birthday, it's July 20th. What kind of game is it going to there? Ory: Wow. If it a Monday, was the 20th July, was already a Monday. It's always beautiful for me before and after, but this time it's longer. Nice! I went home. My was great. He was great played the Mondial. There was one funny My mother called me and said, listen, your postcard is on the radio. I said her, How did this I don't know, I know where she the most attention. In short, from here to there she got into the car and got connected to the Blotos and Spotify was on the loop and it started to play in the car and she thought she was going to radio from here to there she the but it was very very funny and yes, almost okay, we are on our we are on our to the radio, to Netflix Yaniv: It story. Ory: Let's talk about the news. What you to update in the media? Maybe with some correction from the previous and take it forward. Yaniv: Yes, yes. I a sense of First of all, I listened to the previous again and although we didn't... we said we won't be precise all but I noticed that I wrong about Luca Modric. Luca Modric arrives at the World and plays his fifth and leaves Croatia. He won't be Yes. No. I said he won't and now the correction. Ory: After you that he not a world champion, only when it it was Yaniv: I don't know, it's to see him play. I had mind his he took from Israel-Madrid, and the tricks he in the Barnebeu, but in the selection he's playing. And you know. Ory: He was not bad in Milan, even though he lost the Champions but he a good It's He was a very This is one the Apart from are games of friendship. On the one it's the first we've had a choice together that is being made. We'll choose to go to the US. On the hand, we say that shouldn't take it too seriously. But what did we Brazil against Panama, as we like to say. A result we really like. Yaniv: Mechameh meme noyim. The are good, we're 6th place. Excitement is high. In my opinion, if you listen to the you're sure it's half the world It fun to the short. We Haiti against New Zealand in derby, for sure. They the game by a tie. We an Israeli there, In Haiti-New Zealand. Ory: Yes, the is burning. I don't know, if I were to win New Zealand 4-0, how would it I really want to a surprising with a confidence, like a group 90s that no one thought of. Hopefully, it will reach that What is certain is that New Zealand will not be. If I 4-0, I would. Yaniv: It will come, from another video game that was the United of America, Senegal, ended 3-2. The first of Serginio Dest. Do remember him? Ory: To right? Sure. Look, the United maybe I'll the cup and they'll say goodbye. All a small group that will come far, it adds to the romance and adds fun of the World Cup. Yaniv: them. Yes, and we forgot at the of the week that the Ligatah Alufot or at the end of previous Ory: Yes, we because I don't remember a game that I don't even a from the team. Champions, fire on the phone. I'm trying to say what was there for 30 minutes. I don't remember. I saw it friends and it's to completely with the game. It's between me and minus. But... Yaniv: indication Ory: You should say that you went to the training and when you him, I he was crazy. You one-one, pendulums, and then you won, but you really got close and it's nice. I said one-zero Paris, not far enough. So could be that we'll start creating good statistics here. What do you say? Yaniv: Not far from it, but in the end I guessed and you guessed, so I 1-0 in the I'll a table and I'll draw it every time. At the moment I'm leading by 1-0. It did me even in the sixth I was sure that this would be different because when Haverz scored the goal, I remembered that you said in previous Haverz, a middle-back, doesn't do much. And then he gave the ball to me it was big. Ory: Okay, okay. Yaniv: He got it in a fux, the ball hit him in fux, it was... it was... somehow it hit his but was a big it a good Ory: It was normal. Let's put this way, a goal for Arsenal was clear to close the game, a goal for Paris was clear to close the game, goal for for for We about the history of the Mondialis. We are all interested in the future Mondialis, but to understand what is behind all this All the Mondialis that were in the past, the formats that were played in them. And then we will go talk it relatively quickly, and we will and introduce ourselves, and you what we are going to Yaniv: We are going to but in a standard We are going to decide on the top three in history at all times. I think that when we about it and discussed it, and discussed it a lot, was some consensus on the first place, at least that. But somewhere after that, started to and we will discuss with you at end of today's So let's move forward. Ory: No, how? So far, world cup that was our there were 22 world cups. first was in 1930 in Uruguay. Do you want to know how many groups were this cup? Yaniv: Arba. Ory: 13, number. The in Uruguay. The opening match, by was in the Centenario in Montevideo, which is going to be the opening match of the next which is actually a World that takes every year. So the World Cup is going to three teams will choose the teams, but regardless that, Uruguay, which is not one the main will host the opening match in that stadium, which is crazy. Uruguay won this World Cup. Yaniv: I think I love. Ory: ⁓ and then we have a year because of World War II. We in 1950 to the of a one of most in history, Brazil from the Arkaná, Uruguay. Everyone expected Brazil, by the way, to be the most insane ever, and no other was even to it. 173,000 Yaniv: How does the 73th There two sides to it. It's crazy. Ory: The was... The camp started at some point in its 200,000 people. I was in the camp. It's a scenario where you walk in the and then you arrive at the exit, say, the south or the north, you think you'll get but you don't get You keep going straight all the time. no matter how big you just can't understand what's going there. It's mental In any case, they lost it and the story tells that Pele... So a I don't know, 18 years saw his crying after the defeat and said to Dad, I'll bring you the World Cup. And it happened. We'll get to that So Brazil lost at home, as said, in Uruguay in 2011. You Uruguay is a with population 4 million. It already has two World Italy has two World Cups at this And then we actually on to the World Cup of 1754. Yaniv: See you Ory: that was in Switzerland. Yaniv: Do you know why there are four stars on the ring but not two? Ory: to Uruguay, so they took the Copa America, I you take a number of Copa America, you get a Yaniv: No, I it's related to the Olympic they remember from before they world champions. They remember something. Yes. Ory: Ah, right, right, you're right, they also the Olympics. They also won the Olympics Right, wow. And really, four stars... Even if they had two stars, it's just crazy and it shows what tradition By the if they hadn't won this first and had come to Brazil to play, they would have So moment you come, when you would already be the world stage, that's something... That's I say, Israel's we should be on the world stage Yaniv: Toraf, the country of Israel's Ory: And then it will start... What did I So... me, help me! Yaniv: No, because we didn't go up to the once. Come on, went to Spiegler-Samgol. Don't... don't... don't... exactly. Ory: We We did. I'm talking about the modern The modern We did it once. Right. We did it twice with Teco. We didn't care. We didn't care. I in the modern era, now, then we moved from Oceania, then we moved to Europe, we're not even close to that image. So I say, the problem is we to once from the European especially now that expanded the groups, I believe it's to some belief, tradition. Yaniv: So what do say, one time we'll Ah, I got it, one time we'll agree. Okay. Ory: I believe that I want it to happen in lifetime. Let's move to the next 1954. 1954, a medal in Switzerland. West Germany in the against Hungary. The story behind this medal is Franz Pushkas, the who also won the game, Hungary even 2-0 in game. And there begins the tradition of the Germans. West Germany wins at the end of 3-2 and its first Yaniv: Great. Maybe you get up and move forward. Ory: 1958 Sweden, a born his is Pele, promised his father 38 years ago and also Dilwer, 5-2 in the final against Sweden, the winner of the and the first goalkeeper of Brazil. Pele, sometimes we see Pele as three world he played in the opening of this But he didn't play in late years, not in the end. Brazil, the big of the model was Garincha. Brazil won again in Czechoslovakia. In Czechoslovakia lost the second in the end, 3-1, and took the second 1966, what that you Yaniv: In first that to my mind was that there was no war, because if there was, then would not have been in the famous Ory: There is no football that doesn't think about this goal of Jeff Herst in the end against West Germany. English, in the by the the first and last and their only, on their own, they win. Jeff Herst scored 13-2 and then they also scored 4-2. When you say that the English ... Yaniv: They think it's all over. It is now. ⁓ Ory: Exactly. when you tell the Englishman, no, you pass the line, he will say, no, but we passed the line. Anyway, you can't argue with the England is one of the best the best the 1970, Mexico. One the The biggest arguably played in the game. Brazil, 1970, when Pelleck arrives as a star with Cipolles and wins 4-1 Italy in the final. and the third in Brazil, they took the first place in Brazil, they took the home team, they that the jury was with them, and they took the home team, and from the home the team as we remember it today. 1974, a crazy cup that was in the Germany. Yaniv: This was last time we saw the Jules Rémet, right? Yes. Ory: And this it's the first end, only one I think, that a is able to achieve one to zero without the second touching the ball. It Oland, of Yohan Kruif. By the it had to be theirs. It had There is something that I am about, that Oland is still not the world and that was really their big No How did they the Neiskin won the pendel 1-0 to Before the of first the Germans won the match in Munich, the Germans won. They also had a pendel, and then Dred Moller's Dreadmuller And they the World They took the World Cup, and then was the second in Germany. and the first half of the Imperial and it also started a tradition of losing the Netherlands in the end. think the Netherlands is the only that lost three times in the World Maybe the World Cup will change soon. Maybe it will change. 1978. Now maybe in the of one of the most humiliating in history. Okay, the winner this World Cup is Argentina. The winner of this is Argentina. Only need to mention, to the problem in this the method was a stage of building. From each house two groups and then divided them, there were 16 groups total, and then divided them into two houses of four, when each house of four only one And in the last see, about this game of Argentina, that all the Brazilians were still crying about it. Yaniv: I way that the world was created, a situation that Argentina needed to win Peru in four cities, I think. The pressure was 1-0 in the pressure, but it was, let's say, was it seemed unreasonable that a group like Peru would split, as it split in this and it ended up being 6-0, I think, 6-1 or 6-0. Ory: Right, four more. Yes, and important to say that this was a good and a very well-thought and I think it was in the other It a very good and there was a military a totalitarian in Argentina, and they talk about the states, and let's say, this 6-0. I don't like it, and the news of this may show all kinds of that can play, when they actually know that they need a certain result to win a group that is not involved in the event. In any case, no more arguments. Yaniv: There proof of is It's not that it's something will be now after years people go out and talk and tell stories. It's not the The situation is the same as it was was a game. You know, the game of the left, of Brazilian players, can it that. It like... It seems not connected, but beyond that, it came to end. And was Mario Kempis, I think he was the Ory: Yes, Maru Kempis was a He won 3-1. Again, Holland. Holland without a quarter. And to take the first this is how the Argentinian From my Cup. We got to 82. Which is a World Cup that we will talk about later. The is the that was in Spain. Again, there were these of one level houses, and then another level of and it was actually the last model that happened here, maybe because of style you had. In the Italy, which made the first level of three Teco Teco, teco, teco, dot, dot, dot. By the then they they got two points, and not three like today. She to the second She had a house with Argentina and Brazil. She Argentina and then Brazil. The they wanted Brazil to win and she needed Brazil. She went to the semi-finals, she needed Poland. She went to the 3-1, and won the West Germany with the famous Tardelli She was crying and jumping in the and that was the picture of the memory of that and basically Italy with a third star after this cup took a world cup that actually did give him more than a chance to take I wanted to say something Yaniv: No, you mentioned Tarbelli. He ran after he scored the goal. He ran moved head side side and cried, And became an iconic that we talk about in Mondiali. And every Italian who scores goal tries to wait for it. I think that happens in Mondiali after that. Ory: Right, later on, the person who was closest to doing this was Fabio Grosso, who in 2006 won the World Cup and he won the 1-0 he it, and then he ran deep, by the Grosso also put a winning in the same World Cup against France, World against Switzerland, we'll get there, can we? In word, Diego Armando Maradona. Yaniv: You're doing a great job so far, by way. Keep going, keep going. Ory: All this we will talk about it, it is in the top 3, sorry, right to life, but I don't want to talk about it now. All this is Maradona, start to finish, it is the of the world's in this Don't judge me, Brazilians, ok, also Pelle. 1990, Italy 90. Let's call it the world cup that brought us back to reality. There were some good A relatively neutral Germany won the Argentina of Maradona. Bremer's in Pendel. Do you to something? see you want to. Yaniv: I mean, you say there were interesting I just want to two of them. One is Paul Gascoigne crying. Do you know the picture? you remember the picture? There was a player and this was the highlight of England. He was a crazy player, a history of silence, and he was very, very, you know, was very emotional about his Ory: Thank you. Bye. Yaniv: And when they were hit again with pendulums, I think it was, as always. But don't me, because I be And he cried there, crying with the dead. He was filming with his and there a cry that everyone remembers, a huge like that. was the English which of course we will believe, once again, the foot soldiers will return home. That's first story. Ory: No, Yaniv: I remember two more, but I'll one more specific one. The Argentinian there was a very strange that I need to make about the poet. The Argentinian my opinion, Goicoitxea, he was the alternative poet, if I remember correctly. He didn't a wound, I don't remember exactly what it but put him and he became a pendulum They won the pendulums in half. Ory: Good. can in third Italy. Yes, the was in Naples, Italy won, was a Ghiboura Pendle with a kind of a watch for the DiBou Bartines of the day if you want. I'll just call you, Gaz. Yaniv: Yes. And he played, he played, he played the pendel in the end. He played with his hand, he was right, he played the pendel of Germany, and it went in, and that's what I remember from this world cup. Ory: Nahot, Nahot. That was moment I really to not like Germany. And when it got to the next I'll tell you about Gaza. The reason he cried, and the in the is he got a scar in the middle of his neck, which prevented him from sliding on his They were naked. And then he cried, and then he cried because they lost him. yes, it's a very famous Gaza is crying because of Yes. Yaniv: ⁓ okay. Good. Goddard. Ory: But this is Italy 90, and Cameroon, Ruggia Milla with the flag. is to forget that. Macanaki almost defeated England, bigger than life. They gave color to this Cup. 94, a huge We will return to it, I don't want to waste any more time. Brazil won at the end of the game, a relatively small Brazil won Italy in pendels. Baggio won the last pendel. Yaniv: and in my record Ory: We will take time against us and will return to talk this 98 is the model that we returned to normalization in terms of of choices. It is the first with 32 choices, 8 houses, 2 firsts, leaving each house, bless, a win-win a win-win it really returns, a win-win in first of the IPA. Yaniv: Yalla, titkadem. Ory: The story with Ronald, I don't know you the story, listen to the bottom row, Zidan twice with the head, Emmanuel Petit, the third Lilian Turam, a half-dressed, I don't remember, Blal, the head of the Barthes, lots of cool but this how this story Not a story to write at home. Yaniv: And none of these none of these is not Ronaldo getting was also a story about Ronaldo who was sick in this Do remember? Ory: Yes, I'm talking, I'm saying, right, right. I say I don't like this story about Ronaldo, I don't know. Everything is on the of the table, I don't like it. People ask me, what you saying? Let me Let me the game. But in the bottom not a World to write about at home, my 2002 Brazil hardly made it this Cup. Philippao Scholar, World Cup in South Korea, Japan. Yaniv: ⁓ okay. Ory: Brazil won 2-0 in the German Cup Ronaldo is counting the number of which is very important him Rivaldo is big champion Turkey made big championship That's it, Turkey reached half championship In 1998 Croatia made a big they reached half they started building the tradition But also 2002, what impressed me about this championship is that ah, not Korea, they reached half the Yaniv: Korea is the no? Something like that? Who is in the middle? One... Turkey is in the middle. Ory: No Korea Yaniv: That's what I said, Korea was the Half the limit. Ory: They Italy in the they took Spain in the fourth, they Italy Italy I don't know if you remember it. There were some there. And South Korea was half way So I said, something that feels bad since the sisters are so far away, South Korea, who, what? Who was there? Park? I don't know what went there. Anyway, that was the model. 2006. Italy-France, the famous Gimara, Zidane and Dota of Materazzi. You know that Materazzi scored goal that Not many people remember that. He put the balance to Italy. They were so in the game that he was the player the tournament. Sorry, not in game, in the game. They were Yaniv: Is that something with the Zidane ⁓ Ory: Yes, yes, yes. This the of Zidane's This is of Zidane passing by the world's when he got off the train. He looked at it, and were last in world history. It was too much. This is one of the 2010, South Africa. and the vuvuzelas. Do you that? You open the TV and you say, what's the problem with All this month I'm going to listen to that thing. Anyway, our Holland again lost the game. This time it for fun. She the 116th in the competition of Fabregas. Spain won. Spain came as the European She made this Yaniv: That's been- Ory: Like he came to the football Tikitaka, he 1-0 in the 1-0 in the quarter, 1-0 in the half, 1-0 in quarter. Yaniv: What a mess this is, what a mess. How am not? This mess. With a long what a moment. Ory: Okay, I'm gonna say this. Yes, I am his in Nicaragua, Spain, His father died, I think. Spain, that's the years of the Spanish There many stories about this with Diego Benet Argentina, this great Germany, with his man who crossed the border against England, England and Atul Lampard, the guy crossed the border without a all kinds of stories. Yaniv: His is dead, yes. Ory: Without a but we try to reach the highlight. 2014, there is only one memory of this it a that was recently. Do want to say? Yaniv: I called it milisao with this 7-1. A decision from the board that loses by half ends 7-1. Within a quarter of I remember that I realized there was no chance for Brazil. Ory: Yes. administration. It's not a choice of a company. What kind of is it? It's Brazil, it's five stars, it's a in the house. was that same night, a business I don't remember, most of the businesses were in Israel, and we there, the staff and the customers, and you see this game, you're sure, and two more are coming out, I don't know, Yulia Bargan, smile to the camera, I don't know what happened there. I don't know, I don't know. I know what happened. We chose Brazil, really, a Fred, Marcelo, who doesn't know how to defend, and all kinds of players. Alex, I remember. We really a super-defeating team. David Luiz, who I think is the most difficult in the history of the game. But still, 7-1 at home, put a box, I'll send you there. He went there, I don't know what happened there. Help me. Yaniv: The German people were in the Brazilian it was crazy. Ory: I don't know, it was really difficult. Yaniv: it becomes the king of the cities in the world's against Brazil in this half-way Ory: Yes, you're right. By the in this they fourth and leave him behind. And Messi is also fifth. They leave him behind, it will happen. I don't know if it's one of or two of and they will also pass him next But you know the situation. So we at the end of the way, forgot, I said I won the Argentina Messi is crying, Getze's Yaniv: Ve taklit o ti. Ory: Germany, the fourth and we continue. 2018, the won one big they won the eighth game against Argentina, 4-3, there in... Pavares. Wow, that's false. A false dream. And there, Mbappe, in this in this he was fast, in a way... There he fell. That's game he fell into, you know. Yaniv: Shaarat onyre Ory: The won the Croatia World the craziest in Croatia. 4-2. The end of with Mandjukic's and then he a in the number. Mandjukic himself is something crazy, like a mental A that was in Russia, and the last in Qatar. The first time we a World Cup in the middle of year, we were of December. But as as it started, it was no an And the world's was the best in history. Yaniv: Agmar. Agmar was best. No doubt about The the betach, the drama, the rush. It wouldn't stop. It wouldn't stop at any point in the game, even in the half. It was just crazy. Ory: Yes, I was a beginner at this know how to explain it, after 22, I was really a beginner, and all the time I... I think the save of Miliano Martinez... This is the act of the world's This is the Maybe Zidane's in this play changed everything. Yaniv: I assume gamma. Ory: Wante talagit licha. Yaniv: No, I'm just saying, the 2-3 minutes, the save and then attack broke out, almost a goal and it didn't end, it was just crazy. Ory: Yes, and J.M.T.L. out last Argentina takes a third star, and that's it. Yaniv: Mitchell Messe. Ory: This is This brought us to 48 elections. Groups are in third I don't like it because you don't have to be yourself and group can play another role against a group that is less interested in the return in the last. I don't like it. Okay, no one asked us. Let's take at our reports. Yaniv: So let's start with the third or fourth Do want to what was your dilemma for third or what went in and what you in the end? We I to say, but there a dictatorship that person decides that you decide. Ory: Yes. The third is the 82nd Because of Brazil, the which I don't know, I was in third but I saw a of people choosing this one, was the football team, the most that ever played football. And the drama there was so big, people said that in this the football died, because a like Brazil lost to a group... Italy, the third of Paolo Rossi, who was actually completely changed from what Brazil presented. Zico, Socrates, Falcao, Junior, Tene Santana, for example. For I will try to hear from someone who loves Brazil, to this day how this explosion is happening.