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LOKI S02 Episodes 4&5 · May The Review Be With You

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  Hello, and welcome to either of you. Be with you with Nick and
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  Joe. I'm Joe, I'm Nick, and today we are picking up where
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  we left off from Loki season two episodes four and five. I think we
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  were gonna wait till the end of the season to talk about the other half
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  of this, but honestly, things have been off the rails crazy that we
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  just we need to address this now. And I think we want to talk
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  about perhaps some speculation about the finale before the finale actually happens. But before
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  we get into that, Nick, how are you feeling. I'm feeling fantastic.
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  Well, I guess at a loss for words, as you can clearly
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  tell by that long pause. You are talking like a mile per second before
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  we started, and then suddenly like it's time to talk, and you're like,
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  I got nothing, I'm done. Well, you asked me how I
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  was feeling. You didn't ask me how I was feeling about the episode,
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  so you threw me a little bit. Yeah, I don't care about lived
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  at all. I just want to know about you. I'm great, I'm
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  doing really well. I thought I had a headache this morning. I don't
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  any longer. That's the real thing. Yeah. Yeah, So we're talking
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  about episode four and five today and really quick. Episode four was totally insane,
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  like from a shock perspective, way more insane than five. I think
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  for me, we got our Fanos esque snapping ending to see to episode four,
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  which we'll get to, but such like maybe the best episode I've seen
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  from a TV show in Marvel. Episode four so well done, and then
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  five was like an incredible follow up. So I'm really excited to get into
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  the details. What about you, I think you put it really well there.
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  I'm just gonna echo that. I mean it as far as as directing,
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  as far as writing and acting goes, like wow, episode four Heart
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  of the TVA just really knocks it out of the park. And I have
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  a lot of good things to say about episode five science fiction as well.
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  We'll get to those, but yeah, just I mean, it's exactly like
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  you said, there wasn't a single piece of Marvel television, whether it's you
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  know, the current Disney Plus stuff or like the Netflix stuff or like the
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  Agent's Field stuff like that ever left me feeling the way that I did when
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  I left a movie theater after watching Infinity War. And as you said,
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  the fatos snap happens. Right. That was incredible in just a place I
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  didn't think that they were going to go. And I'm really proud of Marvel
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  for taking a risk on that. Super cool. But yeah, let's let's
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  get into it. So episode or Heart of the TVA. This episode starts
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  with right where we left off in episode three, where Ravona and Miss Minutes
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  are going over what's been taken from Ravona, which we learn is her memories
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  of her partnership with King or not King but he who remains, and her
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  learning the truth of what her greater role actually as his general was and the
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  memories that were stripped away from her. In that, we transitioned over to
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  Victor Timeley in the TVA, who is very confused about everything, which who
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  could blame him, but he starts accepting things actually rather quickly, because he
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  starts to recognize a familiarity with the TVA as he's read all about it in
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  the TVA Handbook and comes to me to the author of the tv Handbook or
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  a Boros, in a scene that is both very delightful and a little creepy
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  for what it might imply for later, and we'll get into that Shenanigans ensues
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  as Docks and Brad in prison are having debates on whether or not that they
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  should stage a coup. Meanwhile, Miss Minutes and Ravona show up to say,
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  hey, everybody join us, but not before B fifteen made a plea
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  with Docs to help the TVA. This touches Dos. She decides she's not
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  gonna help Miss Minutes and Ravona, and we see probably the most gruesome death
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  in all of the MCU. Actually we don't see. It's an off camera
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  violence moment, which actually I love off camera violence for the record, not
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  because I can't handle violence, but I think off camera violence leaves more to
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  the imagination, and that was horrible. I want to talk about that scene
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  too, because there's some gross details about it. But we get toward the
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  climax of our episode is everything is falling into disarray and the timeloom is overloading.
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  Victor Timely, after having confrontation with Miss Minutes, decides to step up
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  to the plate and he's going to insert I don't know whatever the piece of
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  technology is, but whatever it is, that's going to help them secure the
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  time loom. He steps out and his skin does not melt. His existence
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  is ripped apart. He is spaghettified but getting horrible. Nobody knows what's going
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  on, least of all Loki, who simply ends the episode by saying,
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  I don't know, and we come to a close. Yeah. Episode four
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  was absolutely wild, Nick. I think one of my favorite little details about
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  episode four is, I, oh, I might be confusing this, No,
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  I'm not. Episode four starts in a really similar way that episode six
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  of the first season did, which is, you know, in the mc
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  you logo pops up that you start to like hear the voices of the past
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  in the MCU, right, and then you travel through like the time stream
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  and you see like all, I don't think you see any events, but
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  like you hear all the events of MCU history unfolding. This episode starts to
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  do that and then quickly rips away, and then we just see a chaotic
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  timeline, yeah, branched out instead of like the harmony that we saw in
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  episode six, right, right, I see just chaos, chaos. Yeah,
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  And the episode closes in a very similar fashion where it just ends,
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  it just plats black like it's a very abrupt beginning, very abrupt end.
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  Really cool detail like that A lot Yeah, that's a great point totally.
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  And it's fun to see some of the things online where people put him side
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  by side and you realize how bad it actually is because you're seeing the the
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  previous seasons like perfect timeline, and then you're seeing the current like chaos.
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  But yeah, let's get into it, man. Let's uh, let's just
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  let's rip this apart, so to speak, piece by piece, shall we
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  Let's bay the So the episode opens and it's a quick it's a quick scene,
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  but I think it's really important if this is a flashback or essentially Ms
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  Minister is showing Renslayer a flashback of Rens Slayer and He who Remains at the
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  end of the previous war for the timeline basically, and this is when the
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  TVA we can assume was created and Rens Slayer ended up being like the top
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  general for He who remains Based on the scene, and we find out that
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  like she had a lot to do with the TVA as we know it and
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  was working very closely with He who remains, And she goes back to the
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  TVA and He who remains says that he'll join her in a minute, and
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  then he has missed minutes wipe everyone's memories in the TVA, and this is
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  this is why we get some scenes where people from the TVA don't remember things
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  before a certain time, right, like OB's met Obius. OB's met obiis,
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  Oh my gosh, Obi's met Mobius, but Mobius doesn't remember meeting Obi.
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  And I'm I'm assuming that that has to maybe do with something where OB's
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  memory didn't get wiped, right, which is a fascinating thing to think about.
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  But Mobius's memory obviously was part of the wiping like Renstlers was after that
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  last war. So that's like totally like a cool little detail. That's an
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  interesting detail, like especially for the partnership that we see kind of blossom in
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  this episode between Timely and Ob. And to know that he who remains doesn't
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  wipe out the memory of b apparently right, but Ob doesn't know who he
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  who remains is interesting, nor does he have any memory of ever meeting Victor
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  Timely before. He's just familiar with Victor tim work. Yeah, it's uh,
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  this might be the thing I'm most excited to uncover. Like, I
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  hope we get some kind of answer to this and in the sixth episode,
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  because obviously, like we don't have it yet. It's such a fascinating circle,
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  so that'll be like it's just so interesting. And then I mean,
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  like I said that, that beginning seems pretty quick and and and and from
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  there we where's it going? Episode four? It goes straight into Victors the
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  TV, straight into the TV A Victor, Victor Timely arrives, He gets
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  he he sees, he sees the wall of U of King and and he
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  remains and uh sees himself basically but really quickly. They're they're on a mission,
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  right low key mobis get back. They grab here, they grab Victor
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  Timely, like we have to go to ob to fix the loom. And
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  this is when we get it might be my might have been my one of
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  my favorite scenes in this episode in total is we get the Victor Timely OB
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  meeting. This is like so cool because who is who? Who talked first?
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  Well? What how did that? How did that? How did that
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  go? It was so or boros Is is talking about what their options are
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  and someone someone I think it's mobi Is uses the name o B and that's
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  what causes Timely to like perk is it eyebrows? Yeah? Ob? Yeah,
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  Boros you know yeah, yeah, yeah, and then then he's like,
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  I've learned everything I know from from from Ob, from this book or
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  whatever, and and uh and then Obi is like, I learned everything I
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  know from from Victor Timely, right, smarter than smarter than Tesla, held
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  behind by are held back by the technology of this technology of time. Yeah,
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  it was so so awesome. And and that when when Ob says Victor's
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  Victor's name, the Loki's face is fantastic. He's just like, what,
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  like, you know who Victor Timeley is like, what's going on? And
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  then they both take out their TVA handbooks and they like have a little quick,
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  little scientist uh exchange. And that was so cool because you just like
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  go ahead. Sorry. I was just like it's just cool because you know.
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  Then then uh, then Mobius is like, well, who who came
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  first? You know? And yeah, you know what that reminded me of
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  though, it reminds me of the finale of season one, where he remains
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  is telling us about like how a variant of him was the first to make
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  a multi universal contact with a variant of that variant, right, And you
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  know, at first everything was fine, they were all just very I forgot
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  the word he used. He was like, it was very like it was
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  a narcissistic piece where we were all meeting each other and we're like, I
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  like you like you know, like that's what it felt like, you know,
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  it was like, oh, I love your work. I love your
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  work. It's the same work. Which I can't remember if you and I
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  discussed this in our last episode or if it was off mic, but we
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  were playing around with the idea of whether or not or a Borros is a
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  vari yeah, which I think we have to talk about it now, like
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  you know, like and and and that this is one thing that Marvel is
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  set up already, right that like variants of yourself from another timeline, it
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  doesn't necesscessarily have to be the exact body and in person for example, is
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  a great example a ton of different styles, right, even in a damn
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  alligator like so so like so anything is possible, right, Like you and
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  I discussed maybe Renslayer at one point being a variant Aloki, but now I
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  think, I mean, are very variant of heat of of he who remains,
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  But I think that's probably not the case at this point after finding that
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  scene, that opening scene of episode four, But I think it's very possible
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  that Ob is a variant of he he remains because just because of what you
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  just said, like that that that conversation at the end of season one is
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  very important, and maybe this is one of those interactions, right with Ob
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  and Victor timily meeting each other and they are just variants of each other,
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  and and that would make sense. Why who started it? Like, we
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  don't know, So I think it's very possible. And it's like totally fascinating.
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  Uh, it's a it's a it's a it's a headache for sure to
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  think about that whole thing. So it's a headache that I want, the
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  kind heache that I enjoy having. Yeah, they have. There's so many
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  things that they haven't answered, and we have one more episode and I'm just
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  like, there's no way we get all the answers for it. It's just
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  like totally I think that the cards for a season three are definitely in play
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  right now. Yeah, this very much feels like a Empire strikes Back sort
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  of story at the current moment, right like where there's no there's no real
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  path to victory for the protagonists for now. Yeah, right now, they're
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  just trying to survive right, yeah, it's pure survival. Yeah. So
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  after that interaction, uh, Sylvie breaks it up quickly. Basically, it's
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  just like, guys, can we can we save the loom first and sign
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  later or however she needs that. She is very uncomfortable, as she should
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  be. She's very uncomfortable with this interaction and yeah, it'll happen again later
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  where they do the handshake and she's like, oh, this is all sorts
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  of wrong. This like you can almost hear he who remains in the background
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  like whispering like I'll see as soon, you know, Like yeah, so
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  creepy and so good. But the reason I wanted to really quick. There's
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  a scene like right after that, right where there where Obi in case you
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  are explaining like what they figured out and what needs to happen, and they
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  and they bring out a prototype or like a diagram, a small sized diagram
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  of of the loom, and Obi has a line where he goes, I'm
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  honestly embarrassed at Victor is here to see it. He's like so embarrassed that
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  he's like idol is here to see some like crappy diagram that they had to
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  make quickly because they're running out of time. I just thought that it's actually
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  a great diagram. Yeah exactly. Yeah, that was just like I love
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  little things like that was just hilarious and you'll want to mention it. That's
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  a reference. Oh really that that scene? Yeah, that scene is a
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  reference. It's it's a scene. It's a it's a callback to Back to
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  the Future where Doc Brown is trying to describe to Marty how how they can
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  get time travel to work, and how they're going to use the DeLorean.
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  They're going to hook it up to the clock where they know lightning is going
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  to hit the clock, and like he has it all set up. He's
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  got like he's got like the city hall, he's got like the park,
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  he's got the car, and he's like, oh, if I had more
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  time, I could have made it look good. And Marty's like, when
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  did you have the time to make this? It's a really funny scene.
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  It's like it's like almost verbatim the same scene. Oh that's amazing. That's
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  a great call out. Now. Yeah, as a time troll fan,
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  I I appreciated that. You know me, I'm I'm a sucker for Oh
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  yeah, absolutely. Okay, So what's next after that? After they talk
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  about the loom and what needs to be done, there's a quick little there's
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  a quick little fun scene about like who's gonna go and put on the suit
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  and walk outside? And look? He's like wait, why does it have
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  to be me? And Mobius like Mobs is like, well, I already
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  did it and it's not me, you know, and like there's a figure
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  doesn't look like me. Yeah, it's a and and they're kind of setting
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  it up for later, right, How how it's going to be important who
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  goes out there? Basically is what they're kind of telling us in that scene.
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  Right, it's actually important, you know, who's actually going to be
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  the way to go out? Right? So but then from there, correct
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  me if I'm wrong. But the next thing is Moby is going to get
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  Pie, which is like Joe's dream because Joe's Joe has been so enthralled with
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  the time pie. What's with the pie? It up? You know what
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  you're you're not You're not the only person who's mad, because Sylvie was very
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  pissed that Mobius is just like how can you go get pie? Uh?
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  Calling him calling him out for getting mad at him for getting pie in a
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  time like this and also like calling him out for not looking for his life
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  on the timeline and and how could you not want to know? And all
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  these things, and yeah, it was just like so uh so funny because
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  she's basically just you know, enjoy your pie and like storms out of there,
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  can I I want to make a quick comment on Sylvie. Yeah,
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  please, I so for for the record, Sophia di Martino is a wonderful
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  actress, and I think every time she is Sylvie, I think she always
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  has a really interesting performance. She she can very much focus herself or to
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  be the focus of a scene, right. I think she can command a
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  scene really well. I have notes on I can't remember her name. I
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  will look this up. Shame on me. The actress who plays her,
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  Vona rents Layer, I have, I don't feel the same way about her
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  anyway. I bring up Sylvie because I freaking kind of I feel like this
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  is actually kind of one of the low points of this season so far from
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  me. Is is Sylvie? Because like, I feel like all we give
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  Sylvie to do is to just be mad. Like every scene Sylvie is just
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  so mad. I'm just I'm just so mad, right, and like the
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  character should be mad, right, Like there's so much to be mad about,
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  but like it's almost all we've given her to do this season? Is
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  it just me pissed off? And like I just want to be left alone.
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  But like also like I'm sort of interested in what's going on. I
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  don't know, I'm hoping we can see a little bit more of her because
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  like I mean when I say here, I love her performance. I want
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  her to be able to expand more on it, hopefully in episode six.
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  But uh, yeah, like you said, Sylvie's just passed, right,
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  Yeah, So we had that that quick thing where Sylvie's getting mad at Mobius
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  because he wants to go get high or whatever, and she's like she storms
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  off. And then the very next scene is Brad and Docks and they're holding
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  Cell with the rest of the team that was trying to destroy the branches and
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  you know, did a pretty good job at the end of episode three,
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  and they're having a conversation about what to do, right, Like Brad's like
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  very on edge. She wants to you know, get out of there,
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  and Docs just kind of feels very like at ease, and she's just sitting
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  there like waiting or whatever. And eventually uh B fifteen walks in and BE
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  fifteen's purpose is to try to convince Docs to join them in this new TVA
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  so that Docs and her team can join join B fifteen with with how the
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  TVA is progressing from here forward, and she gives her this nice speech and
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  they have a good conversation, and then BE fifteen just you knows, like,
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  think about it. I'll come back, right, and so BE fifteen
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  leaves and leaves UH leaves Docks and Brad and the rest of the people in
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  there to discuss what they're going to do if they're going to join the new
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  TVA or revolt basically, And at this point in the in the in the
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  show, I think we're switching back and forth a couple of times because we
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  don't get the next scene in that holding cell. Yet we go back to
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  Loki and Sylvie, I believe, and this is the scene where like I
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  don't know where Mobius went, but Sylvie, like Loki is still in the
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  room with the pie, the pie room, right, and Sylvie this I
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  think the scene opens with Sylvie walking in. It's just like, oh,
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  I took a wrong turn, didn't plan, didn't plan on coming to pie
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  Land, that's what she said. And this scene is really cool because we
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  get like a real heart like heart to heart between Loki and Silvery, and
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  and Loki's trying to convince Sylvie that, like fixing the problem is important,
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  and it's like a brilliant like speech basically to try to like make Sylvie understand
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  that, like she needs to be part of helping to fix the problem,
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  not just running away from it basically, And and and we get this really
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  cool line where Sylvie is like essentially saying like, you're we're playing god like
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  like we shouldn't we, you know, no one's no one's allowed to play
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  god, like it's not possible. And then basically Loki looks at her and
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  just says we are gods and walks on, which is like an awesome scene
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  because when when it happened, like after Sylvie said like her last line,
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  I was like, yeah, well LOOKI is a god. And then I
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  was like, wait, she's a Loki too. I was like, they
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  are gods, like like I was saying. At the same time, I
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  thought that was a really cool little piece of information. I actually really enjoyed
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  that line too. The line itself is just a really cool line, right.
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  But I think what I enjoyed more about it is to two things,
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  the line delivery and the direction on the camera action. Because the line delivery,
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  like like that could be like a really proud moment for someone or like
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  like a very like glorious purpose like moment for someone, right, like we
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  we are God's right, like, and it's not delivered that way. It's
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  delivered in like a tired and frustrated manner. Right, It's like we are
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  God. It's like you know, like like he like feels like that weight,
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  right, and I love that. Like the camera is not like zoomed
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  in on on either Loki, right, it's like it's far away and like,
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  you know, you don't see Tom Hilson's face really, you see his
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  body language, right, And I thought that that was such a great idea
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  it considering like how he delivers the line. Right, it's not a glorious
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  purpose, it's a I have to do this, you know, because it
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  is what we're born to do, Like I don't want to do this,
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  we have to do this. And then he walks out of the room,
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  right, Like awesome direction scene, Yeah, yeah, super cool. Speaking
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  of direction, I wanted to bring this up. So we've talked previously and
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  I want to make sure I get this right. Yeah, okay, cool.
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  So we've talked previously about the direction on this show, specifically episode one,
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  where Episode one had such a paranoia horror esque feel to it, and
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  one of the things that are what was responsible for capturing that was the direction
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  the directors, Justin Benson and Aaron Moorehead, who we've said, you know,
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  was responsible for The Moonnight Show, where that feeling of paranoia and like
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  you don't know what the heck is going on, you feel like you're being
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  chased all the time. Like they're responsible for that show and capturing that feeling.
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  They returned here in episode four, part of the TVA, and I
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  think you can just tell that there's this over there's this looming sense of doom
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  and dread throughout this entire episode, and these guys just know how to cap
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  that. I'm looking at the credits right now. So Benson and Moorehead,
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  they did episode one, they weren't around for two or three. They're back
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  for four, and they're here for the rest of the season. We see
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  them again in five, and they're here for the finale. They I think
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  that this is a combo, like a name combo. We're going to start
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  to see in Marvel a lot more, especially with four ending the way it
• 26:26
  was and like having the critical reception that it got. Yeah. This sort
• 26:30
  of reminds me of like when the Russos took over the Captain America series with
• 26:36
  Winter Soldier and like the reception that that got. Yeah, And then of
• 26:40
  course, like Marvel started relying more and more on the Russos right into like
• 26:45
  their ultimate project, Endgame. Right. I don't know if that's where their
• 26:49
  career goes. I'm pretty sure we already know the directors for the upcoming Avengers
• 26:53
  movies, one of them being the Sean Chi director if I recall it correctly,
• 26:57
  which is really interesting. But I think Marvel really likes these guys works.
• 27:03
  These are names to remember, We're gonna continue to see them. I
• 27:07
  feel like, yeah, I think that's a great call out, Like they've
• 27:10
  been phenomenal. So it's been so good, so I'm excited. Fig usually
• 27:15
  makes the right decision with stuff like that, especially when the reception is really
• 27:18
  good. So it'll be interesting to see what their next project is and how
• 27:22
  this season ends. Right, Sorry, hold on a second, I think
• 27:27
  I might have to sneeze. Don't you tease me with no false sneeze here.
• 27:32
  We're bitch unbelievable, all right, so let's go. Let's go promise
• 27:41
  now if you're sneezeless, Oh my god, calm down. We gotta we
• 27:47
  gotta talk about the time cube and we got to talk about next. Brad,
• 27:52
  Cool, Yeah, that's next anyway. That's because like we're skipping in
• 27:55
  this middle part of the episode. We're kind of skipping back and forth between
• 27:56
  like a couple of people. Before we were like cutting get into what's gonna
• 28:00
  ensue next. But yeah, the next part now is rens Slayer. Miss
• 28:06
  Minutes show up in this holding cell with Docs and Brad and the rest of
• 28:11
  the betrayers, and uh, this is Renslayer basically trying to convince Docks and
• 28:19
  her team to join rens Slayer to take back control of the TVA and make
• 28:25
  it run like it did before. At this point, Docs has decided that
• 28:30
  her and her team are standing with the B fifteen and the new TVA and
• 28:36
  they won't work for Renslayer. Brad is having existential crisis because Brad doesn't want
• 28:41
  to die. Brad is a very selfish, selfish person. He had a
• 28:45
  life on the timeline. He was loving it. He wants to go back,
• 28:51
  he doesn't want he doesn't care how. He's gonna do whatever it takes.
• 28:56
  Like he was a movie star, like either actly his movie star.
• 29:00
  You know, he's got no he's got no morals and uh so Brad is
• 29:07
  the only person who decides to go with Randslayer. Basically, and the next
• 29:11
  thing that happens is I wrote down gruesome, my goodness, Disney in my
• 29:21
  notes, I can't believe they did this on a Disney TV's TV show.
• 29:29
  This actually might be the most shocking thing that happened in the entire episode.
• 29:33
  This is so disgusting and it's amazing, like and it's and it's a testament
• 29:37
  to the directors, as you were just saying, because they didn't show us
• 29:41
  anything, but they used every other possible detail with the sound to get us
• 29:47
  to feel as disgusting as possible. I'm so glad to bring this up.
• 29:51
  Yeah, it's unbelievable what they did. It was so well done and basically,
• 29:55
  so you know, rand Slayer uses this what is this machine called?
• 30:00
  You have? The machine has a name, but the setting that they use
• 30:04
  as a time cube time cube, right, and this is basically puts everyone
• 30:08
  in this time cube and it's essentially, you know, the time cube is
• 30:11
  just shrinking slowly, right, And it gives me flashbacks to a New Hope
• 30:18
  when Hans Solo and Lea and and Luke are stuck in the garbage compactor and
• 30:22
  it's just the walls are closing in, right, So this is this is
• 30:26
  what's happening to the Docks and the rest of her team, and they all
• 30:30
  know they're about to die. They're very weirdly quiet about it, you know,
• 30:34
  they're all just like, yeah, this is just our fate. And
• 30:38
  all we get is shots of Renstlayer's face, Miss Minister's reaction and Brad's reaction
• 30:45
  as this is closing and as you can just you can hear the bodies crunching
• 30:52
  together and and then you hear like the blood dripping through the floor, which
• 31:00
  is so disgusting. I'm still in shock. I watched this episode three times.
• 31:07
  I'm still in shock that they did that, like unbelievable, and and
• 31:11
  missus Minnutes's face was like hilarious, hold on, miss Minutes, sorry,
• 31:18
  she doesn't want to miss minutes's face was like, she's crazy. She is
• 31:26
  the scariest ai that I think because she was. It was joy. It
• 31:33
  was joy, It was pure joy. Do we have another like villain in
• 31:37
  the m c U Like, is that sadistic? No? I don't.
• 31:41
  I don't think not openly. The only the only thing, the only person
• 31:48
  like I can compare that to weirdly is actually this low key Remember like that
• 31:52
  moment where he's like ripping the eye out of somebody in the movie. Yeah,
• 31:56
  and he's like he's like smile, right, Yeah, I can't think
• 32:01
  of another villain who like took that much pleasure out of watching suffering. Yeah,
• 32:07
  totally insane. And Brad Brad is like totally freaked out and disgusted,
• 32:13
  but he'd rather but he's glad he's not there, right, He's glad he
• 32:15
  he did My man, Brad is a survivor from a survival perspective. He
• 32:20
  made the right choice, right of course. So yeah, real quick,
• 32:25
  are you getting this just occurred to me? Are you getting executioner vibes from
• 32:31
  him? The executioner from thor Reagenerok? Oh my god, Like now that
• 32:39
  we're talking about I'm kind of getting executioner vibes from him. Yeah, it's
• 32:43
  like the same, right like, yeah, morally like doesn't feel great about
• 32:49
  it, but prefers to live and just going with the devil at the moment,
• 32:54
  who was going to keep him alive? Right like? And it's actually
• 33:00
  incredibly similar now that Yeah, it is very similar. This is a great
• 33:05
  that's a great. H that's a great point. It's very similar. I
• 33:07
  wonder now now it's making me think, like, is his what's his character?
• 33:12
  Does he have like an actual character arc? At the end? Is
• 33:14
  he's gonna have like a a redemption? It's possible, although although I don't
• 33:22
  like him as much as I did the executioner, So I hope he doesn't.
• 33:25
  He doesn't deserve one. He doesn't deserve one. Like this execution was
• 33:30
  funny, right right exactly? He was funny. Yeah, yeah, Brad,
• 33:34
  Brad bread sucks especially he made mob Is mad and like that makes me
• 33:38
  mad. Yeah, Movies is a good boy. Yeah. Okay, so
• 33:46
  let's what's next. Let's get uh there's a lot happening here in the last
• 33:51
  like twenty minutes of this episode, Like we're not even like close. This
• 33:54
  is crazy, Okay, So we have this gruesome scene, and the next
• 34:00
  thing that happens is this whole This is when the episode really kind of like
• 34:07
  picks up. So the next thing we cut to is Victor and I think
• 34:15
  it's Mobius and and Ob and Casey and they're building this thing for fixing the
• 34:22
  loom, and Mobius walks in with a hot chocolate. Mobius walks in with
• 34:28
  a hot chocolate from the hook coco machine, and Victor is completely enthralled.
• 34:32
  He is just like, what are you drinking? Where did you get it?
• 34:37
  What do you mean there's a hot coco machine? I have to see
• 34:42
  this basically right, Like, he's like so shocked. And one of the
• 34:45
  guards, whose name I don't have written down and sadly doesn't really matter because
• 34:50
  he doesn't last very long, he's like, I can take him, Like
• 34:55
  I guess he's just bored sitting in that room, and he's just like,
• 34:58
  I'm okay if I can walk one hundred yards down the road and get out
• 35:01
  of this area. So Moby's is like, oh, okay, you know
• 35:06
  sure, So he takes this guard, takes Victor to this hot cocoa machine,
• 35:10
  and we get this weird scene where like Victor like makes a hot coco
• 35:15
  and then he's giving it to the guard like a sign that like I think
• 35:17
  he's giving it as like a sign of friendship, but also like you drink
• 35:22
  it first, so I know that this isn't gonna kill me. It's like
• 35:25
  such a weird scene. It felt so creepy. Yeah, it was creepy,
• 35:30
  but then it was sweet because the guard was like, oh my god,
• 35:32
  this is delicious, thank you so much. And then he gets prune
• 35:38
  and it's Brad because Renslayer and Brad have escaped the holding cell, of course,
• 35:44
  and and Brad is now a murderer. What a wonderful way to be
• 35:47
  taken out of existence though, you know, like you're you're like, thought,
• 35:52
  is hey, delightful delightful hot coco. But of course we know that
• 35:55
  he's not out of existence. He just goes to the end of time where
• 35:58
  I imagine there's no howt Cooke go. So it's a little bit bridle.
• 36:01
  He goes to the void to be the void, Yes, he goes to
• 36:06
  the void anyway, So so then we get this, you know, obviously
• 36:14
  now we have a problem because Victor has now been kidnapped by Brad and is
• 36:17
  now in rent Slayers in renst Slayers hands. I'm looking at my notes to
• 36:22
  make sure that I'm in the right order here and this stuff. But yeah,
• 36:25
  so so, yeah so so now Brad and Renslayer and Victor Timely are
• 36:30
  in the same room and and rents Slayer Miss Minutes want to know everything that
• 36:35
  Victor does and knows, and Victor is beginning to take them on a brilliant
• 36:40
  story to to basically kill time and and install and uh. The next thing
• 36:50
  we get is this scene of everyone gathering around the hat Coco machine, where
• 36:54
  you know, Mobius and Loki and Sylvie are realizing that Victor is missing and
• 37:00
  it must be Renslayer because B fifteen walks in and says that Dox's team is
• 37:04
  all dead, and so they realize that, okay, Renslayer and Miss Minutes
• 37:07
  are here for Victor, and Loki is like there, he's They're not just
• 37:13
  here for Victor, They're here for the TVA. So we know that they're
• 37:15
  here still. They haven't left because their mission is to get the TVA back.
• 37:20
  And a very quick little thing about the scene, the prune stick.
• 37:25
  Does that have a name? It does? And it's escaping me right now,
• 37:30
  Okay, well we're gonna call it. It's definitely not it's not we'll
• 37:34
  call it a prune. We'll call it a pruning device. Let's called a
• 37:37
  pruning device. That sounds better, the pruning device. Brad left it on
• 37:40
  the floor when he when he so like for whatever reason, but I can
• 37:45
  only imagine, because he looked like he had a look of disgust within himself
• 37:50
  after he did that prune. So I think that maybe he left it because
• 37:52
  he was a little bit upset with himself for doing that. Is if I
• 37:57
  have to give a reason, I don't know if there is one, except
• 37:59
  that we need Loki to pick it up for what happens next. So Loki
• 38:02
  picks it up. Loki picks it up. It's very important that he picks
• 38:07
  that up. And also so the second he picked this up, I was
• 38:12
  like, oh my god. I was like, I think Joe, Joe's
• 38:15
  right, Like it was that moment I was like, I think Joe's correct.
• 38:20
  And then the next thing that happens is Loki and Sylvie get in the
• 38:24
  elevator, and the elevator like freaks out, and then Loki gets out of
• 38:31
  it real quick, and then the doors close on each other and it's just
• 38:35
  Sylvie stuck in the elevator. And when that happened, I was like,
• 38:37
  oh my god, Joe's correct, We're we are now in the moment of
• 38:42
  episode one from this season where Loki is jumping back and forth between time ah,
• 38:50
  and I think I think you might want to take it away from here
• 38:53
  since it was your call out. I wish I could say I was I
• 38:59
  was the only one from what I saw online this was this was a popular
• 39:02
  theory, but like it just felt right right, like that the person who
• 39:07
  was responsible for saving Loki was Loki, right, Yeah, and we get
• 39:13
  to that moment. I was also very excited as soon as I saw him
• 39:15
  pick up the uh the pruning stick. It was like, oh, here
• 39:19
  we go. We're here. Yeah, I'm I'm super interested though, like
• 39:23
  what this is ultimately going to mean, because like we do get some like
• 39:28
  there's no immediate answer as to when this is happening, Like the significance of
• 39:34
  this necessarily like, yes, he's saving him, right, Like that's significant
• 39:37
  for episode one, right, right, But but we're in episode four and
• 39:43
  and the scene of like Loki like understanding like, oh, I'm supposed to
• 39:49
  be here right now, so I can save me for all of time basically
• 39:53
  right right, And like there's this weird like clarity that like comes over him
• 39:59
  and like I'm pretty sure like we're all on the same page there with like
• 40:02
  what he's realizing. M hmm. What It does feel like there's something more
• 40:07
  to that scene that we don't quite understand yet, and like he even says
• 40:13
  to like Sylvie like I promise you this will all make sense right which,
• 40:16
  like obviously that's like a quick little joke to him and her, but I
• 40:20
  almost feel like that's a line from the writers to the audience, like I
• 40:22
  promise this will make sense right soon. Yeah, that's a great that's a
• 40:27
  great call. M h And the other thing to mention in the scene too,
• 40:31
  is we finally get an answer for who the hell is calling this random
• 40:35
  ask and the TVA like it's been bothering me since episode one. I was
• 40:38
  like, oh my god, please answer the phone, like and it and
• 40:43
  you know what, It's like, there's a lot going on, and he
• 40:47
  has taken his time to pick this phone up like it's just gonna ring forever,
• 40:52
  you know, Like I'm like, you know, phones typically have an
• 40:55
  answering machine, and even if they don't, dude, like you have bigger
• 40:59
  things going on right now, why are you taking your time to answer this
• 41:02
  phone? Like it's gonna be a problem on the other line, Like it's
• 41:06
  a phone call, like he's he's approaching it like it could be a bomb
• 41:09
  that is going to explode if he answers, like like pick something? What's
• 41:15
  the reason for the suspense? Right, like yeah, what so, man,
• 41:21
  I bet you anything? Okay, So sorry, I have to go
• 41:24
  back to your whole thought. Okay, So I just realized, like why
• 41:29
  like Benson and Morehead are directing this episode because it's all tied together with episode
• 41:35
  one, and episode one and four are basically like the same episode. Yeah
• 41:38
  right, they have to direct both because like they set that up so they
• 41:43
  have to come back to it. Yeah, it's a great call. Yeah,
• 41:45
  so, which that might be the reason why they're doing five and six
• 41:50
  too, Which that's writing. That's brilliant writing to begin with, because like
• 41:55
  they knew that they could get a different direct they could get different directors for
• 41:59
  two and three. Mm hmmm based on the strip. Yeah, yeah,
• 42:02
  they're different stories. That's like so brilliant, right, right, how they
• 42:06
  could like anyway, Yeah, I love I love stuff like that. The
• 42:09
  writers are are fantastic for this, for this series. So what I was
• 42:15
  gonna say there was like the thing about the telephone, Like I still don't
• 42:19
  really quite understand the thing with the telephone, right, it's oor boros and
• 42:22
  like that's kind of like a joke a little bit, right, but like
• 42:25
  a why is why does she know to like call that location? Like I
• 42:29
  feel like there's still something about that that like like missing. Like he knows
• 42:32
  that he needs to call a phone, he knows which phone. First of
• 42:36
  all, I guess there's tons of other phones, but it's weird that there's
• 42:39
  a phone there. Okay, like put the phone there. Why is there
• 42:43
  a phone next to an elevator? That makes no sense to me? But
• 42:47
  yeah, but but the fact that then it's ob on the phone after all
• 42:51
  that suspense is just was really funny because he's just like, oh, hey,
• 42:54
  finally, like you know, there you are and uh. But they
• 43:00
  have this conversation that's kind of really important, right because Miss Minutes has control
• 43:06
  of the system and they need to find Victor timely. But they can't do
• 43:13
  that because they're being slowed down by Miss Minutes sabotaging you know there are pathways
• 43:19
  to find him, and Obi says, well, I can reboot the system,
• 43:23
  but it'll take the entire safety system offline, including the dampeners for Magic
• 43:30
  and Loki. Loki and Sylvia at the same time, they're like do it,
• 43:35
  because they're like, are you kidding me? We can use magic if
• 43:37
  you turn off the damn system, Like why have you just done it automatically?
• 43:40
  Like to them, it's so obvious because if they if they can use
• 43:43
  magic, like this thing will be over very quickly, which is what happens.
• 43:46
  Ob reboots the system. We have this like Miss Minutes shutdown. That's
• 43:50
  really really creepy and kind of cool, Like it almost was like they were
• 43:53
  going through older versions and in a way it looked like and I think we
• 43:59
  see like the earliest iteration of Miss Minutes at the very end before she like
• 44:06
  completely just when she was just a chess a eye and she was just a
• 44:09
  yeah, which that was a really cool little thing. Also very creepy because
• 44:14
  her last words to Victor where you'll never be him, so she's like got
• 44:21
  an obsession with he who remains It is wild. But then then she fades
• 44:27
  and it's in he remains right like right there, right, then we see
• 44:30
  he remains his face. Yeah, and then like Victor is staring right at
• 44:32
  him and it's just like what a weird like brain like brain brain fog or
• 44:39
  whatever it's like for him. I want to I want to go back to
• 44:44
  the telephone for a second. Oh sure, yeah. So, and this
• 44:49
  is going to be a lot more relevant in the fifth episode. But I
• 44:52
  feel like, either I looked this up earlier. The writer for the majority
• 45:00
  of the season is Eric Martin, Right, so either Eric Martin or Benson
• 45:07
  in Morehead. Somebody is a big fan of Lost, someone is right,
• 45:15
  And the telephone thing really makes me think of Lost in a lot of ways.
• 45:21
  Right, and again episode five, I think this is way more clear.
• 45:27
  But the telephone call with or Boros something about that I don't know about
• 45:31
  you, Nick. It makes me think back to like my favorite Lost moment
• 45:36
  where Desmond and Penny reconnect over the phone and she's his constant and like he
• 45:40
  can suddenly like be grounded in that point of time. Right, Like I
• 45:45
  almost wonder if there's something similar going on there, right, and this it
• 45:50
  feels like it's it's important right, and this is supposed to be important,
• 45:52
  but it's a joke, right, Like something's going on there. It's wild,
• 45:55
  right, because we there's a lot of like we're talking about a lot
• 46:00
  during this series. Yeah, man, we have to go look that up
• 46:04
  before we are episode six episode because there's got to be something there. So
• 46:07
  we'll we'll look into that. We're gonna we're gonna go back. Let's watch
• 46:10
  the constant. Even if there's nothing, it's the best episode of Lost.
• 46:14
  Yeah, that's fact. There's gonna be a lot of people who might hear
• 46:17
  that, and we'll be like, uh, not pennies boat, Not pennies
• 46:22
  boat. That's such a sad that's so sad too. Though. Anyway,
• 46:27
  we don't I don't want to talk about Charlie stuff. Please don't don't make
• 46:30
  me, don't let me visit it. I'm gonna break up. Yeah,
• 46:37
  that's fine, keep going, all right, So we're going and so yeah,
• 46:42
  mismanage shuts down, and so very quickly Loki and Sylvie are able to
• 46:47
  get this done. Brad is sent out of the room to try to go
• 46:52
  and reboot the system, and very quickly he gets possessed by Sylvie and then
• 47:00
  in turn Sylvie, you know, possessing Brad has Brad with this pruning device
• 47:05
  walk back into the room with Victor Timeley and Renslayer, and Brad's acting a
• 47:10
  little bit weird, but rens Slayer doesn't know why, and you know,
• 47:15
  Brad moves Renslayer away from Victor Timeley says something. I forget exactly what he
• 47:20
  says to Renslayer, but the point is he prunes Renslayer. So Brad prunes
• 47:24
  prunes Renslayer and sends her to the void, which is awesome, and we
• 47:30
  I assume maybe this is for good, but not probably not forget, I
• 47:39
  mean, who knows, We don't know, but sends her to the void
• 47:43
  without miss minutes, which makes it a little bit more possible that Renslayer might
• 47:46
  not be seen again during this series. We'll see. And yeah, so
• 47:51
  low Kei and Sylvie come in to get Victor Timely and then they leave the
• 47:53
  room and then Brad gets unpossessed, and he's just like, what the hell
• 47:58
  just happened? And that's the last we see Brad for the moment. And
• 48:02
  so this is where like this is like the last five minutes the episode.
• 48:06
  All right, this is like everything is like really really heating up. They
• 48:08
  go back to the They go to the room with Obi and Casey and B
• 48:16
  fifteen, Sylvie, Loki, Victor to try to fix the loom, and
• 48:25
  we finally get the scene where Victor puts his head to get scanned and and
• 48:34
  to give them full access so that they can actually, you know, try
• 48:37
  to fix the loom and the computer, which I think is just a little
• 48:39
  funny thing. She's like, welcome, he who remains when when when Victor
• 48:45
  gets his space scanned? And yeah, So we get this quick little scene
• 48:52
  about who's gonna wear the suit and Loki volunteers. He's like, I'll do
• 48:59
  it, you know, or whatever, And right as Loki's about to walk
• 49:04
  down the stairs to put the suit on, Victor goes, wait, it
• 49:07
  should be me and explains that something could go wrong and he's the only one
• 49:13
  who knows how to fix it on site if something goes wrong on the bridge.
• 49:19
  This kind of makes a lot of sense quickly, and Loki, I
• 49:24
  think, realizing that it makes a lot of sense, but also selfishly not
• 49:28
  wanting to go out there anyway to begin with, kind of just doesn't argue
• 49:31
  with him, and Obi is like, we don't have any time anyway.
• 49:35
  So Victor go downstairs, gives him a quick speech on what to do and
• 49:40
  is there anything you want to say before we move on to this last part
• 49:44
  of episode four? No, pretty good? Right? Yeah? Yeah,
• 49:47
  yeah, okay. So Victor goes down, puts on the suit, he
• 49:52
  grabs the device to take out to the bridge, obi opens the doors.
• 49:58
  He's like, you gotta run really fast. You gotta you know, you
• 50:00
  got a hall ass or whatever. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta hoof
• 50:04
  it, you gotta hoof it. Victor takes a deep breath, takes one
• 50:08
  step outside of that door, and just gets absolutely shredded and turned into spaghetti.
• 50:15
  He's just completely gone, unbelievable. And at that moment, I'm just
• 50:21
  the look on my face is like complete shock, and the look on everyone
• 50:24
  else's face in the room is complete shock, and they're all just like,
• 50:28
  what happened? What happened? And nobody knows? And all LOOKI can say
• 50:32
  is he doesn't know. And then all of a sudden, we cut to
• 50:35
  the scene and we're looking at the loom, and the loom is just imploding.
• 50:38
  It just starts to rip itself open and explode, and the last thing
• 50:44
  we did get is a headshot of Loki, like's face getting brighter as this
• 50:47
  explosion is coming closer and closer, and then cut the black episode ends.
• 50:52
  Complete shock, just complete shock, and that's it, like we don't know,
• 51:00
  like and that moment, everything is gone and nothing exists anymore and they're
• 51:07
  all dead. And I think one of the coolest things is that Marvel wiped
• 51:15
  the Instagram page of Loki, deleted everything except for miss minutes. Really awesome,
• 51:28
  quick little marketing move. And so for a few days it was just
• 51:30
  that, uh, and then they reased, you know, they released a
• 51:35
  trailer for the last two episodes, but that was like, that was really
• 51:37
  cool. But yeah, I don't I don't really have anything to say about
• 51:43
  the ending that we haven't said already, just completely. I'm going to say
• 51:47
  one thing about yeah, please go ahead this just again. I'm going to
• 51:52
  bring up lost in the episode five. But just something else just occurred to
• 51:57
  me right now as we're talking about it, this ending, because I was
• 52:00
  gonna say, dude, how wild would it have been if this was the
• 52:04
  ending of the of season two? Right right? But then as I was
• 52:07
  thinking, and I was like, wait, that's how Lost season two ended
• 52:10
  when they don't turn, when they don't push the buttons right and like they
• 52:15
  do the fail safe and then everything fades to white. It's literally how Lost
• 52:20
  season two ends, when everything's imploding, right, dude, this guy must
• 52:23
  have been a director for Lost, Like, how do we not know this?
• 52:27
  I feel like someone here loved Lost because episode five there's a lot of
• 52:31
  Desmond similarities. Anyway. Yeah, like you said, total shock and awe.
• 52:38
  Could not wait for episode five as a result of this. I mean,
• 52:43
  there's really nothing else I can say. It was just such a great
• 52:45
  ending, you know, Yeah, an amazing TV ending. Yeah, incredible
• 52:53
  and definitely like the most shocking ending since the than out Snap and Marble.
• 52:58
  Definitely the And this is why this episode was probably the best TV episode they've
• 53:01
  done of all the shows so far. Just an incredible amount of detail and
• 53:06
  like shock and awe, it was it was so well done and now like
• 53:10
  an episode five is the most anticipated episode in a while for me of a
• 53:17
  TV series, purely based on how four ended, and and it was excellent.
• 53:22
  I don't think it disappointed at all. How do you want to how
• 53:24
  do you want to tackle episode five? Do you want to read the summary
• 53:28
  or should we just get into it. Oh, let's let's just go right
• 53:30
  in. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a quick quick summary. Episode five,
• 53:35
  we're rejoined with Loki at the TVA. Everything is spaghettifying. Loki's freaked,
• 53:40
  but as he's wandering around, suddenly he begins time slipping in and out of
• 53:45
  different places of the TVA, and he sees himself time slipping in and out
• 53:49
  of the TVA. Very interesting. But then Loki starts time slipping out of
• 53:55
  space. He starts space slipping, if you will, time space slipping,
• 54:00
  and he's drawn to different iterations of his friends or maybe these are the variations
• 54:08
  back in their proper places from when they were picked out of time in place
• 54:12
  in the TVA. It's unclear. As he's time slipping, and he comes
• 54:16
  across Casey Mobius and be fifteen. Eventually he time slips into ob who is
• 54:23
  a failed science fiction writer apparently, and has decided to help Loki because everything
• 54:30
  Loki says makes total sense. Tobie and like, bless his heart, like
• 54:35
  he's just so here to be helpful, and he is. He's pretty helpful.
• 54:40
  Masters time pad technology in about eighteen months. Thanks to the handbook that
• 54:45
  Loki supplies him with, we come across Sylvie, who is still not quite
• 54:50
  on board with everything, but for some reason, has retained her memories of
• 54:53
  the TVA unlike the other variations. Eventually we time slip back to where Ora
• 55:00
  Boros is, where we've gathered the time vengers as I'm calling them, and
• 55:07
  Sylvie's on board and helping because her reality has just been spaghettified. But as
• 55:12
  they're getting ready to take charge, it's too late and the reality therein spaghettifies.
• 55:19
  But then Loki time slips back into the same moment that they were just
• 55:22
  in moments before, and he realizes how to control his own time slipping,
• 55:28
  which is something Ora Boros had encouraged him to do. It's not about what,
• 55:31
  it's not about how, it's about who. Loki has made his full
• 55:35
  transition into doctor Who, and that is where we are left off. As
• 55:40
  Loki decides, I can I can rewrite the story, and he takes himself
• 55:46
  back to the moments before the TVA is spaghettified. Yeah, which is we'll
• 55:52
  get to that, but that it seems like, why would you go to
• 55:55
  that moment right before? Because like what else could possibly done in that moment
• 56:00
  to change it. So that'll be really interesting. But I guess we'll just
• 56:05
  we'll go from the top right and and we'll try to hit the more important
• 56:08
  points and maybe not go scene by scene, although it's tough because like I
• 56:12
  feel like every scene is like super important. But as you as you said,
• 56:15
  you know, the beginning of the episode is, Look, he's back
• 56:17
  in the TVA and he's time slipping again, but this time he's by himself,
• 56:22
  and there's a fail safe mode that's been initiated, and you know,
• 56:25
  there's a there's a couple of fun there's like one or two fun little scenes
• 56:28
  where he like talks to himself, like he says hello to someone, and
• 56:31
  then he realizes later, oh, he was saying hello to himself. And
• 56:34
  this is a very important moment because he had picked up the TVA guidebook at
• 56:37
  the very beginning in the TVA and that's super important for later. So the
• 56:44
  main part part of here is that he has a TVA guidebook on his person.
• 56:47
  He's got one with him. TVA turns into spaghetti. He time slips
• 56:54
  to a branch timeline in nineteen sixty two at Alcatraz for of all places where
• 57:01
  Casey is a criminal in this timeline, and Casey's breaking himself choice for him.
• 57:07
  Yeah, it's so funny. He's breaking himself and two others out of
• 57:09
  jail, and uh yeah, so like he you know, this is like
• 57:17
  the quick flashback where he sees where he sees him and during these scenes,
• 57:22
  he's he's he's time slipping to a bunch of different branch timelines where all of
• 57:28
  these important people are. And the one point I want to make is there
• 57:31
  is one place that he time slips to that we don't see again. So
• 57:38
  all the places that he quickly time slips between, like he does it slowly
• 57:44
  and he does it quickly, right like you know, the Alcatraz where case
• 57:47
  he is, the jet skip Shoper Mobius, is the doctor's office where the
• 57:52
  fifteen is. But there's one place he time slips that we don't see again,
• 57:54
  and it's this room with a red ball and a number five. You
• 58:00
  remember this, you might have to go. If you don't remember this,
• 58:04
  you're not. And the only reason I wrote it down is because I watched
• 58:07
  this episode like back to back. I watched it twice back to back,
• 58:12
  and so the second time, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna take
• 58:14
  a little bit more detailed notes. There is a there is a roomy time
• 58:16
  slips to really quickly. It just has like a red globe in the middle
• 58:20
  on a table and the number five in the background. And we don't he
• 58:22
  doesn't go back there. Yeah, he doesn't go back there. It's the
• 58:25
  only place he time slips too. That doesn't have a correlation to one of
• 58:30
  the people from the TVA. Right, it's right. I did think that
• 58:34
  this was random, right, we have no idea, but it can't be
• 58:37
  random. It can't be random. He's important, right, it was important.
• 58:40
  I don't know if if the room holds more significance than this, but
• 58:45
  it was important because he drops that information to oh B and Ob tells us,
• 58:51
  well, you can't time slip in and out of something that doesn't exist
• 58:53
  anymore, but you did, so therefore it's possible. And look, that
• 58:59
  didn't make it. He says, He's like, this did. Would you
• 59:00
  like me to explain it again? Ye? Yeah? And so so there
• 59:05
  is this on there is this room that we're like, I'm assuming we're gonna
• 59:08
  it has some significance for episode six, but right now, we have no
• 59:12
  clue. But anyway, so he's he's going out of these different branch timelines,
• 59:15
  and so you know, like B fifteen is a doctor in twenty twelve,
• 59:22
  Mobius lives in Cleveland in twenty twenty two. I thought that that was
• 59:27
  going somewhere because that was a very interesting date and time or excuse me,
• 59:32
  date and space that they chose is New York twenty twelve. Ah, yeah,
• 59:38
  that's just before the Battle of New York. Ah. But it's a
• 59:44
  branch timeline. It is a branch timeline. But it is wonder what the
• 59:47
  significance of that, but it is interesting if there's going to be something about
• 59:51
  that later. That's a very good point too. But yeah, Mobius is
• 59:55
  in a branch timeline in Cleveland in twenty twenty two, And so none of
• 1:00:01
  those are really very important. The most important person that he finds and is
• 1:00:07
  able to actually talk to is Ob because Ob is the one who can actually
• 1:00:09
  get together. So I think it's probably good what we just kind of jump
• 1:00:15
  into there and then we'll get to the others. Right. So Ob is
• 1:00:19
  it on a branch timeline nineteen ninety four, Pasadena, California, And the
• 1:00:23
  first we see of him is he is picking a book up off the shelf
• 1:00:28
  in a bookstore and he goes to the counter to buy it and it doesn't
• 1:00:32
  scan. And he's like, oh, I can give you cash. It's
• 1:00:35
  okay, and in the cashier is like, no, no, like it's
• 1:00:38
  weird that doesn't scan. Like some for some reason, know opens the book
• 1:00:43
  trying to like jog her memory. I've never seen this book in here before,
• 1:00:46
  Like what is this? You know? The backfold is a picture of
• 1:00:51
  Ob and he's the author. And turns out that Ob is a science fiction
• 1:00:54
  writer that nobody cares about because nobody's reading science fiction then and or on that
• 1:01:00
  timeline. And he's basically put his own book on the shelf to try to
• 1:01:06
  get sales going. And the shop, the shop owner comes around the corner.
• 1:01:10
  It's just like you again, like you got to stop putting your books
• 1:01:14
  on the shelf. No one wants to read these. It's so sad.
• 1:01:16
  He's such a sweet boy, and so he picks up all his books that
• 1:01:22
  he's like been like stuffing on the shelves there, trying to get, you
• 1:01:27
  know, people to buy, and he leaves, Yeah, he's trying to
• 1:01:30
  generate buzz and he leaves, and we get the shot from above from from
• 1:01:35
  Afar and above of this like really cool warehouse in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:01:38
  And it turns out that this is like Obie's workshop, and Obi is actually
• 1:01:43
  a physicist that wants to be a science fiction writer, which is really funny.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah he's a successful physicist, yeah, but a failed science fiction writer.
• 1:01:52
  Yeah. It's like such a failure. Yeah, it's incredible, hilarious.
• 1:01:57
  Yeah yeah, and I love how they bring that back later with the
• 1:02:00
  handbook. I assume we'll get yeah yeah, yeah. And and the cool
• 1:02:04
  part here is like Obi is the only person that Loki is like, come
• 1:02:10
  to see that's taught You know that Obi doesn't think Loki's talking crazy. This
• 1:02:15
  is like the moment that this version of Obi has been waiting for his entire
• 1:02:17
  life. He's like, what this is amazing? Like this is this is
• 1:02:22
  science fiction but it's actually happening, like literally when I wrote Yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:24
  I write book one of my characters and uh and Obi's mentioning this book
• 1:02:32
  thing and look, he's like what is this. He's like, oh,
• 1:02:35
  only my most popular book of all time. It's like joking that He's like
• 1:02:39
  the most popular fiction writer speaking speaking of books, I am wondering if this
• 1:02:45
  is something Marvel is intentionally doing now for marketing reasons. Uh, where they
• 1:02:51
  introduce a book into like a movie or TV show and then they do it
• 1:02:58
  to then sell that item later in the real world. For example, like
• 1:03:02
  Scott Ling's biography. Uh, that's a that's a book that's like out there
• 1:03:07
  now, Like nice, buy that book. That's cool. So like when
• 1:03:10
  the TVA Handbook got introduced, I was like, I wonder if they're gonna
• 1:03:13
  do that with the handbook, And now that OB's got like his own science
• 1:03:15
  fiction book, I'm like, I feel like they're setting that up to actually
• 1:03:20
  sell that. I'm sure that you could. There's definitely gonna be a handbook.
• 1:03:22
  It would be really why if they actually have a science fiction book,
• 1:03:25
  if they have a if they partner with a writer to actually write a science
• 1:03:29
  fiction book, I will I will buy that. I don't. I don't
• 1:03:32
  really I won't probably buy the TVA handbook because like it's a cool thing,
• 1:03:37
  but I don't. I'm not gonna like I'm not a collector on that sense,
• 1:03:40
  but like I would actually buy the science fiction book to read if they
• 1:03:43
  partnered with the writer for that, that'd be wild, especially if like Loki
• 1:03:47
  like mirrors like a character in Obi's book. Yeah, that would bete.
• 1:03:52
  That would be really awesome if they did that. Anyway, So we get
• 1:03:59
  the awesome scene right like where Loki explains the whole story to Obi and Obi's
• 1:04:08
  asking him, you know, all these questions and he's trying to help him
• 1:04:12
  control his time slipping. Where we kind of get this like, you know,
• 1:04:16
  like it reminds me of like any superhero story, who like an origin
• 1:04:23
  story of a superhero who's trying to learn how to control his powers. Right,
• 1:04:26
  it's like kind of we kind of get that scene where always trying to
• 1:04:28
  help him control his powers and he's just like trying to time slip. He
• 1:04:32
  looks ridiculous and he doesn't do it. And then we got Obi doing like
• 1:04:36
  experiments on Loki, like electrical shocks him, tries to scare him. He's
• 1:04:41
  like, oh no, fight or flight, Oh okay, And he's like
• 1:04:43
  writing down stuff trying to figure out what triggers is time slipping. And this
• 1:04:49
  is when they're having like no luck getting Loki to control his time slipping.
• 1:04:54
  So Obi has another idea and he suggests getting the band back together, which
• 1:04:57
  is everyone has a temporal aura. If you get everyone back together in the
• 1:05:01
  same room, I can read the temple or and we can get coordinates for
• 1:05:03
  where we have to go, which is pretty it seems like on paper,
• 1:05:10
  it seems like a really good suggestion to figure out like what the next move
• 1:05:13
  is. And it's a good plan because they don't have any other plane really
• 1:05:15
  right now. But after Obi suggests this, Loki asks Ob if he can
• 1:05:25
  build a TemPad. And this is a really cool scene because this is where
• 1:05:29
  the importance of Loki having the guidebook from earlier in the episode comes in.
• 1:05:33
  Obi doesn't know how to build a TemPad, and Loki remembers that he has
• 1:05:40
  a TVA handbook, and the TVA Handbook is written by Ob, and so
• 1:05:48
  the variant of Ob is like shocked by this, and because Loki's like,
• 1:05:55
  yeah, everyone has one of these, like everyone has a has a has
• 1:05:59
  a Gude book, and we get the sweet little line where Obi's just like,
• 1:06:02
  so I am going to write a best seller because it's like the most
• 1:06:06
  popular book in that in that version, right, And but this is cool
• 1:06:11
  because now Obi has a guide book for how to build a TemPad. He
• 1:06:15
  has the directions that a variant of himself had written, which is a whole
• 1:06:18
  nother or borus like in itself. It's is just like mine bending. Yeah.
• 1:06:26
  Now we got at least two of them going. Yeah, so now
• 1:06:29
  we got to at least two going. And the next thing that happens is
• 1:06:32
  Logi time slips and so Obi Han Loki hands the guidebook to Obi and like,
• 1:06:42
  right after that happens like Loki time slips any time slips to Mobius's house
• 1:06:49
  and uh, which is like, we get a quick little scene where we
• 1:06:56
  realize that Mobi's has two kids and two ways who seemed to be a pain
• 1:07:00
  in the ass, right, He's got two young kids. We find out
• 1:07:03
  that, you know, his wife is gone, Like presumably she passed away
• 1:07:06
  unexpectedly, is what it kind of what we're led to believe, I think
• 1:07:10
  is the way that we're supposed to read into that. So he's a he's
• 1:07:13
  a single father of two exhausted, and Loki shows up at his house and
• 1:07:23
  Mobius recognizes him from the shop earlier when Loki like had arrived but was only
• 1:07:28
  there for a second before uncontrollably time slipping again and at first Mobi's is like
• 1:07:32
  okay, like it's weird that you're here, but I'm going to try to
• 1:07:35
  sell you a jet ski because I'm a single father of two and I don't
• 1:07:39
  need two jet skis and I really need the money. Basically is the vibe
• 1:07:42
  that I got from that, and they were the way sorry, hey,
• 1:07:51
  it does correct form and function, yeah, which was really funny that Loki
• 1:07:58
  says that to him, and uh, they have a conversation and this is
• 1:08:04
  like the weird part here is like Loki's like, how am I gonna explain
• 1:08:08
  to this guy that his life isn't real and that he needs to come with
• 1:08:15
  me and that we need to save the world. It's like totally like it's
• 1:08:18
  like an impossible task that Loki is like trying to to do right now.
• 1:08:23
  It's like explain the unexplainable to a regular guy from Cleveland, Ohio, right,
• 1:08:30
  and like it not possible truth Like even like even he doesn't totally like
• 1:08:33
  understand it, right or like he has to try and sell that which he
• 1:08:36
  doesn't understand. But you know, he makes the brilliant play of like hey,
• 1:08:42
  like look, I know you like you're gonna miss out in your kids,
• 1:08:45
  but we can bring you back to like the same spot. But discounters
• 1:08:46
  with like, yeah, I would know what that I was missing though,
• 1:08:49
  and Loki's like, yeah, but you don't do this no. But before
• 1:08:56
  that, like before that conversation, Loki's trying to convince him without any like
• 1:09:01
  proof that what he's saying is real. And this is the moment where ob
• 1:09:05
  shows up with a with a portal. He shows up with a portal.
• 1:09:11
  Yeah, like Obi shows up with a portal. He walks out of the
• 1:09:14
  portal with a like a big TemPad, right, like a nineteen ninety four
• 1:09:18
  version ten pad because the technology isn't isn't good enough. It's like, yeah,
• 1:09:24
  this is a pomp pilot, but it's a pomch it's a huge TemPad.
• 1:09:27
  It's a computer sized TemPad because the technology isn't there for the smaller version
• 1:09:31
  that we're used to. And this is funny because he shows up He's like
• 1:09:40
  to Loki, it was only like he thinks it was really fast because in
• 1:09:44
  Loki said he just saw be like you know, an hour ago, and
• 1:09:48
  Obi goes, what do you mean quick? He's like, this took me
• 1:09:51
  nineteen months. I lost my job and my wife left me. So it's
• 1:09:57
  been it's been eighteen or nineteen months in Obi's world since Loki had left him
• 1:10:04
  this guidebook to build this ten patent to Loki, it's only been like an
• 1:10:06
  hour. So we get this really cool like time juxtaposition here. It's like,
• 1:10:12
  but this is very good that this is when Obi shows up, because
• 1:10:15
  it helps Mobius understand a little bit about taking a leap of faith and like
• 1:10:19
  believing what Loki is saying because he just saw a man teleport into his garage
• 1:10:26
  and then they teleported them to like the other side of the street where they're
• 1:10:32
  looking at Mobius's house, and this is where the conversation you mentioned comes up
• 1:10:35
  where they're trying to convince Mobius and he's like, no, you don't understand.
• 1:10:39
  We can bring you right back to this moment in time and there won't
• 1:10:42
  be a problem. And so the speech works and they convinced Mobias to go
• 1:10:49
  to go with him, and basically the next couple scenes are you know,
• 1:10:55
  Loki recruiting the rest of the band, right, so be fifteen the time
• 1:11:00
  vengers be fifteen casey, But the most important one they get back to the
• 1:11:06
  room. They get back to the warehouse and we're still missing Sylvie and this
• 1:11:11
  is like it's like, oh is that. Everyone's like no, there's one
• 1:11:13
  more and this is like this was a cool scene and it makes sense.
• 1:11:19
  But basically Loki. Loki takes the TemPad and goes to Sylvie's branch, which
• 1:11:27
  is what we're used to. She's back at the McDonald's. She's getting she's
• 1:11:31
  just getting off work, and she puts her food on the back of the
• 1:11:35
  truck and we see that the food turns into spaghetti and evaporates, just like
• 1:11:44
  the TVA did at the beginning of the episode, and so yeah, to
• 1:11:47
  happen immediately, we're like, okay, there there is a problem still here
• 1:11:51
  with time and Loki shows up and he's expecting to have to do this whole
• 1:11:59
  crazy speech, but Sylvie has full memory of what happened and knows who he
• 1:12:04
  is and like, I want to I want to talk about that. Yeah,
• 1:12:11
  Loki shocked that she knows who he is because no one else does.
• 1:12:14
  But to me, I wasn't shocked because she's a Loki. Like to me,
• 1:12:18
  the reason that she remembers everything is because she is also a Loki and
• 1:12:23
  there is a special aspect there, but what do he's what do I have?
• 1:12:29
  I have two thoughts on that. Well, Like it could go one
• 1:12:31
  of two ways, because like, yeah, they they've created a distinction there,
• 1:12:34
  right right, And I think I think it's either a I don't feel
• 1:12:40
  as good about this one, but it is a possibility that we have to
• 1:12:43
  consider. I think it's either a that because she is technically she who remains
• 1:12:49
  right, like, you know, she has like the ultra time pad,
• 1:12:54
  you know, the one that he who Remains had, Because she has that,
• 1:12:58
  like there's something special about her right where she can remember moments before like
• 1:13:03
  this big getification happens right right, or and this is what you were saying,
• 1:13:11
  there's something special about being like an as guardian or like specifically a god
• 1:13:15
  right right where. I think that's going to come into play of like the
• 1:13:19
  difference of someone like Loki one of the Loki's walking outside to go take care
• 1:13:25
  of what needs to be done, right. I think that's what they're trying
• 1:13:29
  to tell us. I think you're closer to the point. Yeah, And
• 1:13:32
  but also, like you brought up a point about her having the TemPad,
• 1:13:34
  which we didn't know until the end of the episode, right like at that
• 1:13:38
  moment, we don't we don't know. No, we've no, we've known
• 1:13:41
  she's had it since episode two. Okay, so she showed it at the
• 1:13:45
  McDonald's. I just I think it's one of those things though I think it
• 1:13:48
  was easy to forget them. I think maybe it is maybe for sure,
• 1:13:51
  right, because I forgot she had that. But it also brings up another
• 1:13:55
  point because she has that, like we don't know that she doesn't use that
• 1:14:02
  at the end of episode four. Yeah, I think it's actual psychical,
• 1:14:10
  right, because maybe she actually uses it when we're close up on Loki and
• 1:14:15
  everything's about to implode. It's possible that she uses it to go to that
• 1:14:17
  time on right, because based on how episode five starts, like episode five
• 1:14:24
  starts essentially kind of where four ends, and instead of there being like an
• 1:14:29
  explosion, it's more like obviously like the TVA goes into failsafe mode from four,
• 1:14:39
  So it's not like it just like all evaporates immediately, right, It's
• 1:14:41
  it's more of a slow process. So it's very possible that she time hopped
• 1:14:49
  to where we find her in episode five instead of like you know, the
• 1:14:54
  loom sending her there right blasting her there. I think we have to assume
• 1:14:59
  so save we might get it. Yeah, we might get a I wonder
• 1:15:02
  if they'll clarify that. They might not. Maybe it's just a fun,
• 1:15:05
  open to interpretation thing, but it's definitely, Yeah, it's it's an important
• 1:15:10
  point. So look like, look, he's obviously had a day and they
• 1:15:18
  go to the bos. Sylvie's like, let's go have a drink. So
• 1:15:24
  they go to a bar. They go to a bar and they have this
• 1:15:27
  this conversation. One thing I wanted to ask you about is is they showed
• 1:15:30
  a game, an arcade game in the bar Zaniac. That does that mean
• 1:15:36
  anything to you? Yeah, Christ, isn't that what Brad stars in like
• 1:15:47
  his movie? Oh maybe that's what it was. I think it is.
• 1:15:53
  I did not catch that, but I'm that's what's ringing the bell. It's
• 1:15:56
  an arcade game called Zaniac. I'm pretty sure that's the movie he start.
• 1:16:00
  It's one of those things that they put in an episode and they like they
• 1:16:03
  zoomed then on it to where it was like it's like a fun thing for
• 1:16:05
  them to include. So I was like, I wonder what that was,
• 1:16:08
  And I think you're right about what it is anyway. So they had this
• 1:16:12
  heart to heart and Sylvie gets through to Loki basically saying that Loki only wants
• 1:16:19
  to save everyone because he's scared of being alone, and Loki's like admitting that
• 1:16:24
  that's the reason, basically, right, And so he goes back to the
• 1:16:28
  warehouse where the rest of the band is because Sylvie has decided to stay where
• 1:16:32
  she is because she wants to live there in peace and not worry about it.
• 1:16:38
  And Loki's like acting like realizing he was being selfish, and he's trying
• 1:16:42
  to tell the band that okay, never mind, like this isn't happening,
• 1:16:46
  and this is when we get like this, we go back to Sylvie and
• 1:16:49
  we get like probably a cool scene of the episode, right, Sylvie walks
• 1:16:55
  into a record shop and she just wants to like, you know, relax
• 1:16:57
  at the end of us long ass day and look for a record and put
• 1:17:00
  a record on. And she gets handed a record from the shop owner and
• 1:17:08
  it's a record by Velvet Underground called Loaded, and she puts the record on
• 1:17:14
  and this is like a really cool One of my favorite scenes and shows and
• 1:17:17
  movies and stuff is when like they put records on and you notice that the
• 1:17:26
  record is on side too, and I'm always like, oh, I wonder
• 1:17:29
  if they dropped the needle in the right place, And she drops the needle
• 1:17:35
  like at the beginning of side too, which is which is a song?
• 1:17:39
  I believe it's supposed to be called Hands Held High, or I might be
• 1:17:43
  a little bit wrong. I don't think that's the correct title. But anyway,
• 1:17:48
  it's not the song that plays. The song that plays is Oh Sweet
• 1:17:51
  Nutting, which is also on that side of the record, but it's the
• 1:17:54
  last song on that record, so the needle isn't dropped in the correct spot,
• 1:17:57
  which, like, if you're a music buff or like whatever, that's
• 1:18:00
  a cool little detail, right, like that they don't actually the song that
• 1:18:03
  plays is not actually where the needles dropped on that side too. This man's
• 1:18:09
  playing Galaga. He thought we wouldn't notice, Yeah, but we did,
• 1:18:13
  well, we did. But so it's a fun little blurb for the music
• 1:18:17
  buffs and the music people out there like me. But that song that does
• 1:18:21
  play is a really fantastic song and it's perfect for the scene. Right.
• 1:18:29
  It's like Sylvia is just like unwinding after this long essay, and behind her
• 1:18:34
  we see her world, her timeline start to disintegrate and turn into spaghetti,
• 1:18:41
  and the shop owner tries to like like yells her name, and she turns
• 1:18:45
  around and she sees this happen, and it's just like everything goes black because
• 1:18:48
  this world is now this timeline is now gone. And this is when the
• 1:18:54
  TemPad comes back in and we realize, oh, yeah, that's right.
• 1:18:56
  She has this like all world tempat She can go wherever she wants. And
• 1:19:02
  she goes to Loki in the warehouse after he's got done saying that you know,
• 1:19:09
  everyone, it's fine, you go back to your lives and whatever.
• 1:19:14
  And she shows up and she's like, no, it's not going to be
• 1:19:17
  okay. We have a huge problem and I'm trying to get to my notes
• 1:19:25
  now. Oh so, the thing about the TemPad that bothered me that she
• 1:19:30
  has this all world TemPad, like she didn't even bother to go look for
• 1:19:34
  everyone else. She she wants something to do with them. She yeah,
• 1:19:39
  the fact that she was like she had all of her memories like Loki,
• 1:19:45
  and she just like wanted to live her life on her timeline. She didn't
• 1:19:48
  give a shit about anyone else. She didn't care to look at all she
• 1:19:54
  was totally happy. I was like, talk about selfish. That's insan.
• 1:19:58
  That was like I was like, mad, this is ridiculous. So but
• 1:20:03
  she goes. Uh so she gets back to the warehouse and this is like
• 1:20:11
  Obi's like, so it was a fiction problem because she's coming back. She's
• 1:20:18
  coming back, and he's actually, yeah, it was like actually, like
• 1:20:23
  everything's going to hell, like we do need to do something about this,
• 1:20:26
  and Obi's like it was a fiction problem. So anyway, and then at
• 1:20:30
  this moment, like the real quick blurb about this is when they all realize
• 1:20:35
  that they're turning into spaghetti, like like Casey turns into spaghetti and like disintegrates,
• 1:20:40
  and then be fifteen starts to Mobius has a reaction that I think is
• 1:20:45
  really important, and that version of Mobius just wanted to go back to his
• 1:20:47
  boys. And the reason this is important is because the Mobius that we know
• 1:20:51
  him back at the TVA doesn't want to know what his life was on the
• 1:20:55
  timeline before. He's happy with where he is and with doing important work at
• 1:21:00
  the TVA, and so it's really it was really cool to see that version
• 1:21:04
  of Mobius, like I'm not glad you brought this up. Yeah, no,
• 1:21:08
  I'm glad you brought this up because because there's a very specific question that
• 1:21:12
  I don't remember if it's Sylvie or Loki asks him of this, I want
• 1:21:15
  to say it's Loki when he asks him about like aren't you curious? Yeah,
• 1:21:19
  And look, one of the questions is one of the questions is aren't
• 1:21:24
  you curious about who you left behind? Right? And like that's going to
• 1:21:28
  be like the anchor to this character, right, Yeah, not to like
• 1:21:30
  a spun there, but yeah, that's that's ultimately gonna come back. Yeah,
• 1:21:34
  And so I thought that was a really cool thing that they showed about,
• 1:21:38
  like how this version of Mobius is reacting, right, and so that's
• 1:21:42
  definitely an important thing to remember for later probably. But anyway, so everyone's
• 1:21:46
  turning like everyone's dicentegrating now and they're basically like the last two people left are
• 1:21:54
  Loki and Sylvie. And then Sylvie starts to also to integrate because time is
• 1:22:00
  finally caught up, and she she says there's nowhere left to go because she
• 1:22:03
  must have checked before she went to see them with her ten pad. She's
• 1:22:08
  like, there's nowhere else. This is the last moment basically in time and
• 1:22:13
  when Loki sees Sylvie disappear, he he ends up being able to control his
• 1:22:20
  time slipping, and he time slips right back to the moment right before when
• 1:22:27
  Sylvie came to the group in the warehouse and said, no, like,
• 1:22:30
  there's a problem, and this is like in that moment, Loki's like,
• 1:22:33
  he turns to Obi and he says, I can control it and realizes that
• 1:22:39
  it's not there's not a why or how, it's about who, and I
• 1:22:42
  can imagine it's about Sylvie, right, like losing the connection they have that
• 1:22:46
  we saw in the first season with the portal opening to save them from this
• 1:22:49
  world that they weren't to be able to get out of. They have a
• 1:22:54
  connection that is really important, and this is the thing that helps him control
• 1:22:59
  his time. I'm slipping is losing Soley basically, at least that's what I
• 1:23:04
  got from it. Yeah, And that was his that's his constant. That's
• 1:23:10
  his constant is that and so he can control it, and he time slips
• 1:23:17
  right back to the end of episode four, where he's standing on top of
• 1:23:24
  the stairs at the TVA watching Victor Timeley walk down, and he says,
• 1:23:30
  I can rewrite history, all right, no, I can rewrite the story.
• 1:23:34
  I can rewrite the story. Sorry, I can rewrite the story.
• 1:23:38
  That's that's very important. That's a callback to here remains. Yeah, and
• 1:23:46
  it's fascinating, right because there were moments in this episode when they were collecting
• 1:23:50
  the guy, they were collecting everyone, where he was getting the band back
• 1:23:54
  together, and I was like, wait, am I right? Is he
• 1:23:57
  going to re start the TVA? Because I remember at there episode three,
• 1:24:00
  I was like, what if Loki's the one who actually like the one who
• 1:24:05
  created a TVA. And I don't think that's actually the case now after watching
• 1:24:09
  this episode, but there was moments where it was very interesting. But then
• 1:24:12
  at the end where he's like, I can rewrite the story, it's like,
• 1:24:14
  well maybe technically, my I don't know. It's there are so many
• 1:24:19
  Horrbores situations right now in this in the show. It's quite fascinating. It
• 1:24:25
  is. But that's the end of the episode. Record for the for the
• 1:24:28
  record, just real quick on that. The reason why I kept talking about
• 1:24:31
  Loss was like this episode in particular reminded me so much of Loss. The
• 1:24:36
  constant right where Desmond's mind is time slipping everywhere, it's the same exact concept.
• 1:24:45
  Someone's definitely a fan of loss. That's all I'm saying. Yeah,
• 1:24:46
  I think you got And then of course the thing that like Ancherson back is
• 1:24:49
  a person, right, very interesting. The last thing that I want to
• 1:24:56
  talk about is a point that you made that I want you to make on
• 1:25:00
  on the on the call. You need to talk about the similarities between each
• 1:25:04
  episode of both seasons. Yeah, I think it still stands for five so
• 1:25:12
  two. I think you can make an argument. So I want you to
• 1:25:14
  make those points real quick because they're super important before we end the before we
• 1:25:17
  end the episode. So what Nick is talking about is we were on the
• 1:25:23
  phone one day. We don't talk about anything else except this. This is
• 1:25:27
  what we live for. This is what we live for. Yeah, it's
• 1:25:30
  Glory's purpose. And I was telling Nick I had this thought that I realized
• 1:25:34
  there's a lot of weird parallels between the first season and the second season if
• 1:25:39
  you go episode by episode, And what I mean by that is if you
• 1:25:42
  take a look, there are certain beats that are the same. So like,
• 1:25:46
  for example, like in episode one of both seasons, we start with
• 1:25:50
  a Loki who is on the run from the TVA. Episode one starts this
• 1:25:54
  way as he becomes unstuck in time. Episode two starts this way as again
• 1:25:59
  he's unstuck in time and he's being chased. Right. Season two episode one
• 1:26:03
  starts the same way. Sorry. Season two episode one, Yeah, just
• 1:26:06
  unstuck in time. Yeah, time slipping back and forth, right, TVA
• 1:26:10
  is chasing Episode two. Of both episodes, we have Loki now working with
• 1:26:15
  the seasons both seasons, and we are looking for the variant Sylvie in both
• 1:26:21
  seasons. Episode three. I think this one's a little weaker for this argument,
• 1:26:26
  but I think there I think it still make it work. We have
• 1:26:30
  Loki and Sylvie who are opposed to each other in both of these episodes,
• 1:26:34
  but by the end of both episodes they are now on the same page.
• 1:26:39
  They are now working together right. Episode four is where I felt really confident
• 1:26:44
  about this theory. Episode four ends with both Lokis both Season one Lokian Season
• 1:26:50
  two Loki basically getting wiped from existence, or at least the way we knew
• 1:26:56
  existence right. Episode one ends with him being pruned by RASONA season one episode.
• 1:27:00
  Season one episode four, thank you for fact checking me on that ends
• 1:27:04
  with Ravona pruning him. Season two ends with of course the loom exploding and
• 1:27:11
  him being wiped out. R right, So you follow these fascinating Yeah,
• 1:27:15
  yeah, we're we're hidding the same beats. It's almost like yo, time
• 1:27:19
  repeats itself. Yeah, and of course episode five, episode five, we're
• 1:27:25
  in the void. Episode five of season two, we're not on the void,
• 1:27:30
  but we're also kind of like in this weird time limbo where Loki's dealing
• 1:27:34
  with being pruned out of existence and now trying to get back to what was
• 1:27:40
  right. Right. Yeah, the parallels for each episode are like so on
• 1:27:45
  point, and that's such a great it's such a great call by you to
• 1:27:48
  notice those two the parallel for each episode. It's like really fascinating, Like
• 1:27:55
  this is a it's totally awesome. So yeah, that's a great, totally
• 1:27:58
  great points. But again, yeah, that's the last thing I wanted to
• 1:28:00
  talk about. Uh, something for everyone to think about. What's your projection
• 1:28:05
  for six based on that parallel? What six is gonna be like? Right?
• 1:28:10
  Because episode six we meet he who remains in season one, and so
• 1:28:18
  I wonder what's gonna happen here in the last episode of season two? How
• 1:28:23
  is that parallel? This is a good question Okay, So, like,
• 1:28:27
  so, no matter what happens, we know Jonathan Major's is gonna be in
• 1:28:30
  this last episode because we know he signed for three episodes, So right away,
• 1:28:34
  I think that means we, well, we're definitely gonna see Victor timely
• 1:28:39
  again. But for the parallel, I think we're definitely going back to the
• 1:28:42
  end of time, and I think it's definitely gonna end with somebody is on
• 1:28:46
  the throne at the end of time. There will be a new he who
• 1:28:51
  remains, and I get in the vibe. I'm kind of getting the vibe
• 1:28:55
  it's either Sylvie or Loki. I mean, maybe it's Ravona. It would
• 1:28:59
  make sense if it's Hut, But yeah, that's that's what I'm going There
• 1:29:02
  is a new they remains, it would be It would be so wild if
• 1:29:09
  it ends up being Sylvie because the whole reason, the whole reason that we're
• 1:29:14
  having this problem in season two is because Sylvie was impatient and killed he remains
• 1:29:18
  and didn't listen to Loki. I think that Loki would be the most likely
• 1:29:24
  no, but I think he's too important of a character to just have like
• 1:29:30
  chilling at the end of time, right Yeah, So it's gonna be interesting.
• 1:29:34
  It's fascinating. So I have no idea. I really your prediction is
• 1:29:39
  better than I could have come up with, like, so it'll be interesting
• 1:29:42
  to see what happens next. Yeah, that's it. We'll see We'll see
• 1:29:46
  you guys in a week with the updates on six. But until then,
• 1:29:53
  mayther of you be with you. Its