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#2212 What Are My Results Saying? - Bobby Cappuccio · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Can I team, It's Craig Anthony, It's Roberts, It's Tiffany.
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  Speaker 1: What's your middle Roberts, Roberts? What is it?
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  Speaker 2: Fuck? What?
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  Speaker 1: Robert Joseph? Of course Tiffany, And sorry I know that
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  Speaker 1: so well. Hi tiff Hi Harps, how are you? I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty good things. You just took your top off, not
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  Speaker 1: her whole tops, but just the no, she's not sitting
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  Speaker 1: there with a no, that's not happening, but she's wearing
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  Speaker 1: a singlet. Is it a bit of hot over there
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  Speaker 1: at cook Central?
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  Speaker 2: Is it? Yeah, just because I've got the heat of
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  Speaker 2: crankin And I was like, yeah, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: turn it off though, because my feet are very cold,
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  Speaker 2: feet warm. But I also had a hot winter jacket on,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, this is not working for me
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  Speaker 2: very well.
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  Speaker 1: Singlet on heater on the ego. That's a tiff thing.
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  Speaker 1: Think about that, Bobby. Is it starting to get a
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  Speaker 1: little cooler over there? You're coming out of summer and
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  Speaker 1: into fall or whatever you want to call it. I
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  Speaker 1: was saying the same thing with doctor Bill yesterday. What's
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  Speaker 1: it like where you are?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're we're situated here in the wine
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  Speaker 3: country of southern California, just a nice, comfortable eleven kilometers
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  Speaker 3: from the sun. So right now, it's.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little bit off.
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  Speaker 3: During the day it cools down like in September. In
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  Speaker 3: the evenings it will drop quite a bit. The evenings
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  Speaker 3: are manageable, but it can get up to about forty here.
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  Speaker 1: See what are we from the sun? Is it one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and ninety three million miles or is that the moon?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Ninety three million in miles. It's ninety three million approximately.
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  Speaker 3: You can't take you a couple of moneys roight in there.
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  Speaker 1: So how are you both? Tiff? What is news? What
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  Speaker 1: is going on? Bobby? What is news? I said, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: we have no plan and uh so we're just going
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  Speaker 1: to see where we go. What's going on with you? Cook?
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  Speaker 1: Good things, bad things.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit of everything really like three parts insomniac,
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  Speaker 2: three parts slam champion, sleeper, slampy, and cheaper. I was
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  Speaker 2: going to say, whatever that is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as your dyslexia traveling, as your list dexia traveling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much of that pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, sometimes it depends what day you get me.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes good, sometimes just walking asleep?
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  Speaker 1: What's your average? Like, I'm sure it peaks and troughs,
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  Speaker 1: but what do you reckon you get on average per
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  Speaker 1: night of quality sleep?
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  Speaker 2: I think these days and fairly consistently for a while
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  Speaker 2: now I do get seven hours, but lately, and it's
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  Speaker 2: funny because sometimes I go, oh, sleep's been terrible, and
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  Speaker 2: I'll look at the data that I sometimes look at
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  Speaker 2: too much, and then I noticed that across the board
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  Speaker 2: really over the recent years, it's it does even out
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  Speaker 2: quite stable. But I'll have these, you know, like three
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  Speaker 2: hours and twenty two minutes or something. The night before
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  Speaker 2: last where it was just wide awake until two and
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  Speaker 2: then bright and bushy tailed by five thirty in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, we should probably shoudn't wake up just yet.
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  Speaker 2: We only just got to sleep. But then I'll have
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  Speaker 2: a big night, a big night sleep the next night
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  Speaker 2: and it even starts to even out. But it's very
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  Speaker 2: it's hard. It's hard on you know, training and lifing
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  Speaker 2: and recovery and trying to figure out how you how
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  Speaker 2: and when you compensate for a ship night's sleep. I
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  Speaker 2: think it makes recovery difficult. From that standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: It's like sleep is interesting, like food is interesting, like
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  Speaker 1: recovery is interesting, like training working, like because there's no
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  Speaker 1: everyone wants a number, what's the number? How much sleep
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  Speaker 1: do I need? Well, one, there's no number. There's even
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  Speaker 1: for you. There's no number because your number will vary
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  Speaker 1: depending on what you've done the day before, how much
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  Speaker 1: sleep you had the night before and the night before that.
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  Speaker 1: So your number tonight could be eight and a half
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  Speaker 1: or it could be seven, you know, and Bobby's number
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  Speaker 1: could be five or it could be ten or so this,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is this whole thing of interroception, is
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  Speaker 1: trying to understand our body and work with our body
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  Speaker 1: and read the signs and signals and build a relationship
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  Speaker 1: with our body so that you know, we actually understand
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  Speaker 1: what it needs, because it's telling us rather than googling
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  Speaker 1: fucking how much sleep do I need, which it cannot
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  Speaker 1: tell you. All it can do is give you a
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  Speaker 1: range of maybe what is normal. Maybe, But that yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think like all the AI staff, all the you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the at our fingertip stuff that we've got is good.
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  Speaker 1: But I think in the middle of all of that,
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  Speaker 1: we've disconnected from our own biological intelligence. You know, where
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  Speaker 1: your body's going, hey, mate, just fucking drink some water.
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  Speaker 1: Looks like fucking fanta for God's sake, get hydrated. You
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  Speaker 1: haven't had a Pooh since back in June. Eat an
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  Speaker 1: apple you come. You know, it's like this, this is
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  Speaker 1: the basic science. So what about you, mate? How are
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  Speaker 1: you working?
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  Speaker 3: I don't sleep. I don't sleep at all. I sleep
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  Speaker 3: like three hours and eight four if I'm lucky. Earlier,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, what's your middle name? I was like, shit,
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  Speaker 3: I know this. I know this with a J. I've
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  Speaker 3: said it. It's on my LinkedIn profile. Wait, maybe I
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  Speaker 3: should look this up real quick. Well, Tiff and Craig notice, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so my brain and body I'm completely fucked.
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  Speaker 1: And what is the underlying thing or things that you
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  Speaker 1: think drive that lack of sleep?
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  Speaker 3: Probably cats? Mostly cats at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 3: It's like three o'clock in the mornings, like ah, like
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  Speaker 3: a question. It's like, shut up, whether they want to
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  Speaker 3: go outside or they want to like be on the bed.
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  Speaker 3: But in between one.
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  Speaker 1: I know how to fix your sleep. That's really fucking interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It involves the cats are roll, So.
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  Speaker 3: You're just stained for cats is disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't disdain them. But this don't.
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  Speaker 4: There's such thoroway creatures for you, although they do make
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  Speaker 4: good moccasins. But I mean other than that, No, that don't.
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  Speaker 4: Look I'm kidding. I do like cats, but I do
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  Speaker 4: love dogs. I think cats are a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them can be great, but the ones that
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  Speaker 1: are like dogs.
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  Speaker 2: It's what I said when I got a cat. I
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  Speaker 2: wanted a cat, it was a dog, and I got bear.
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  Speaker 1: No, for everyone who thinks I'm a cat hater, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not really. But other than cats, I know you're kind
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  Speaker 1: of taking the piece a bit, but other than cats,
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  Speaker 1: be serious for a minute, Like for you, surely there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of h underlying kind of anxiety and overthinking
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  Speaker 1: and rumination.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, there's a bit of that, but that only
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  Speaker 3: kicks in once they've been woken by one of the cats.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fine. Then I get woken up, and then I
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  Speaker 3: lie awake ruminating. And then I go ahead and I
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  Speaker 3: tell people things like how to journal all of their concerns,
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  Speaker 3: to do lists so you can cognitively take that out
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  Speaker 3: of your head and displace it into another location, so
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  Speaker 3: you could fall asleep. Do I do that?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: I just scream at cats all night long for about
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  Speaker 3: a feel like hours, and then I stumble into the
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  Speaker 3: world like half brain ded.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we all feel like fakes or frauds
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  Speaker 1: or impostors at some stage. I definitely do at times.
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  Speaker 1: But is there something that for you comes up where
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  Speaker 1: when you're teaching people, or you're sharing or you're coaching,
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  Speaker 1: where you feel fraudulent because you're not doing it, or
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  Speaker 1: you feel a bit unworthy of saying it because you
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  Speaker 1: think I don't even fucking walk my talk when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to this particular thing tip, there's something that you go,
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  Speaker 1: I'm full of shit because I'm telling them to do
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  Speaker 1: this thing that I don't do, or I don't do enough,
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  Speaker 1: or I don't do well.
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  Speaker 2: I would say for me less so that version of
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  Speaker 2: I feel like a fraud but more and this is
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  Speaker 2: a really relevant one for me at the moment, is
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  Speaker 2: when I learn something new that changes my operating system
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  Speaker 2: and mind and relationship with something so much it makes
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  Speaker 2: me reflect on everything that I think I know and
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  Speaker 2: how I might teach it or recommend it or influence
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  Speaker 2: people with that belief or understanding. So the latest one
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  Speaker 2: for me is my nutrition because I'm building my app
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  Speaker 2: and I started you using a nutrition tracker. I've never
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  Speaker 2: tracked nutrition. I don't really love the idea of that
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  Speaker 2: level of being fastidious over everything. But when I did it,
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  Speaker 2: I've uncovered that I've just grossly underfueling carbs and always
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  Speaker 2: I think I always have, and I find my natural
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  Speaker 2: style of eating doesn't and that's a performance macro nutrient.
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  Speaker 2: And so I reflect back at times on conversations I've
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  Speaker 2: had or how I viewed nutrition, and I notice how
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  Speaker 2: when I look at a menu when I went for
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  Speaker 2: breakfast the other day, and I looked at a menu
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  Speaker 2: and observed myself and how I scanned it and read
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  Speaker 2: differently about what was nutritious for me and what I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to have in that breakfast. Crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's when you talk about when you talk about observing yourself. Sorry, Bobby,
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  Speaker 1: it's like that's a kind of awareness that is hard
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  Speaker 1: to achieve, Like you know when we were spoken about this,
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  Speaker 1: but like when you analyze yourself, it's you analyzing you.
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  Speaker 1: You cannot possibly be objective, but it's I guess even
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  Speaker 1: taking that knowledge into the Oh, I'm not objective, but
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  Speaker 1: rather than judging these things, I'll just identify these things
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  Speaker 1: without placing any good or bad value on it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just going oh, forget good bad, forget self love, self hate,
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  Speaker 1: forget you know. But here's things that I am currently doing. Now,
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  Speaker 1: When I just put that on a list and I
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  Speaker 1: look at it, I can reasonably objectively ascertain what is good,
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  Speaker 1: what is bad, what is helpful, what is hurtful? But
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  Speaker 1: how do you, Bobby, how do you have that? Oh sorry,
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  Speaker 1: tif you're going to talk. How do you have that
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  Speaker 1: in the moment awareness? How do you? How do you
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  Speaker 1: operationalize that knowledge?
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  Speaker 2: What it makes me think straight away is what now?
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  Speaker 2: What are my blind spots? Because I'm now I'm drawn
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  Speaker 2: to processing of different angle of you know, what I'm
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  Speaker 2: perceiving through this information. Well, now one are the blind
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  Speaker 2: spots because they come up and I'm trying to be
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  Speaker 2: aware of them. Before I just developed this new relationship
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  Speaker 2: with that's important to me. Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Does that makes sense?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a lot better reflection as well, where I
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  Speaker 3: think in the moment. Sometimes when you're stressed, when you're overwhelmed,
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  Speaker 3: when you've slept three hours because of bloody cats. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's so the emotional regulation and making certain choices becomes
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  Speaker 3: a bit more complicated, but I'm really good at reflection.
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  Speaker 3: Like at the end of the day or the next they
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  Speaker 3: going okay, well what exactly happened? And the key is
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  Speaker 3: don't tell yourself stories. Become a behavioral architect, don't become
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  Speaker 3: a critic. So it's not like, oh, it was such
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  Speaker 3: a lazy sloth or you know, oh god, I'm so fat,
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  Speaker 3: I always grab that ice cream. Well sometimes I say
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  Speaker 3: that to myself, but most of the time, it's like what
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  Speaker 3: happened behaviorally where if somebody came in and they had
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  Speaker 3: a camera and they took a photograph with their phone,
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  Speaker 3: if they cannot capture what happened, it's just a story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So like what happened like like right before you went
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  Speaker 3: to the fridge and you grabbed the hogandols instead of
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  Speaker 3: the salad, Like, what went wrong there? What were you
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  Speaker 3: feeling there?
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  Speaker 1: Right? So what was the what was the scenario?
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  Speaker 3: What was the environment? Like if I could do that again,
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  Speaker 3: would I have made that choice? If you have great, well,
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  Speaker 3: hogandas is awesome. If I wouldn't have made that choice, well,
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  Speaker 3: what would I have done differently? And what within my
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  Speaker 3: environment would help that So for me, I'm pretty good
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  Speaker 3: around reflection, and I understand that sometimes in the moment,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not exactly as resourceful as i'd like to be
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  Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the time. And get back to
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  Speaker 3: your earlier question. I think that when I'm teaching people,
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking one or two frames. One is I'm not
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  Speaker 3: telling you anything to do. I'm just saying here's what
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  Speaker 3: the research says. I'm making an assumption that you're all
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  Speaker 3: here trying to solve for this problem because the title
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  Speaker 3: of the workshop of the seminar kind of addresses it.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm assuming you're here for that and make your
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  Speaker 3: own decisions. The other side of that, and this happened
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  Speaker 3: last week at a webinar, I don't like taking high
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  Speaker 3: status when it comes to behaviors where it's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: if you would do this, and if you would be
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  Speaker 3: better at this, and if you'd be more like this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel that that's useful and I don't feel
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  Speaker 3: that's respectful to an audience. So the fact that I
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  Speaker 3: am imperfect everything that I teach, or I say like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: i've gotten great results with this I've used I may
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  Speaker 3: not use it all the time like that journaling thing
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  Speaker 3: I was making a joke about. I used to use
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  Speaker 3: that on the road all the time, because while I'm
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be sleeping, I was running through my opening
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  Speaker 3: story in my head. It's like, hey, dude, just all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff down close the journal. And I was able
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  Speaker 3: to fall asleep knowing all my concerns about the next
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  Speaker 3: day's work. It's going to be there at four thirty
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  Speaker 3: in the morning when I wake up. And that was amazing.
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  Speaker 3: But I can say, yeah, hey, you know what, last
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  Speaker 3: week I meant to do this, but I did this instead,
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  Speaker 3: and wow, have any of you ever done that? And
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  Speaker 3: instantly you're on equal status with your audience. It's not like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I've got my shit together.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what you need to do. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's good. I think that anyone who stands on a
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  Speaker 1: stage or gets on a podcast, or runs a workshop
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  Speaker 1: or seminar and essentially, either literally or metaphorically is finger
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  Speaker 1: pointing at people telling them you should do, you shouldn't do,
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  Speaker 1: you must start, you must stop. I mean, that would
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  Speaker 1: have to be a dumbass if they don't realize that
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  Speaker 1: creates more disconnection than connection. For a start, But I
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  Speaker 1: think even with this show, I don't maybe I'll do
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  Speaker 1: every now and then, but I definitely don't inten to. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I never prescribe anything. I never direct anyone to go
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  Speaker 1: and do something. But I think in that that's why
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  Speaker 1: a conversation is good, because we're talking about things and
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  Speaker 1: we're not we're not putting on anyone in the direction
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  Speaker 1: or recommending a thing, but rather going this is what
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  Speaker 1: I would do and it didn't work, or this is
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  Speaker 1: what I did do that did work for me. But
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind, you are not me. I am not you.
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  Speaker 1: I want to come back to tracking and apps and
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  Speaker 1: you know what is increasingly being adopted and adapted in
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  Speaker 1: the general population, which is embracing some of the I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to put an asterisk next to it, but the
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  Speaker 1: science behind the behaviors where we now you know, I
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  Speaker 1: know tif for you, you were tracking your blood sugar with
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  Speaker 1: a monitor which proved to be somewhat problematic, and not
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  Speaker 1: only was the monitor and the reading inaccurate, that caused
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  Speaker 1: you psychological, emotional and physical issues. And you know, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, first tell us about that, and then
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  Speaker 1: I have a follow up question.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you've raised that because you'll be delighted
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  Speaker 2: to hear I'm about to get another one and try
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  Speaker 2: it again.
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  Speaker 1: Great. Great, But formerly I've.
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  Speaker 2: Tried them twice. I got a two weeks with a
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  Speaker 2: glucose monitor and threw them into a tailspin because it
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  Speaker 2: was showing every night that I was hypoglycemic with chronically
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  Speaker 2: low blood sugars. And then my response to that was
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  Speaker 2: kind of a very tiff response of like, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 2: and then I was feeling fatigued and rubbish and crazy.
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  Speaker 2: But then when I tested with a pricktest from the chemist,
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  Speaker 2: it was showing different readings, and I don't think it.
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  Speaker 1: Was showing you were in a good range, not a range.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was showing a difference at the
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  Speaker 2: same time. So I was like, oh, well that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't work. But it happened on two pieces. But
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  Speaker 2: the reason that I'm getting another one and gonna put
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  Speaker 2: it on is just out of interest of since I've
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  Speaker 2: changed my diet with carbs carb intake, I'm very interested
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  Speaker 2: to see if there is any relationship or if it
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  Speaker 2: just behaves exactly the same. And if it does, I
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  Speaker 2: won't I will disregard it again. But if it happens
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  Speaker 2: to show a difference in my blood sugars overnight, I
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  Speaker 2: might assume that there was something there happening.
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  Speaker 1: Just I've got a question for you, Bobby. I want
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  Speaker 1: you to think about this question while I'm finishing with TIP.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to think about the cons of apps,
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  Speaker 1: like using all the tracking things. We know the good,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to think about the bad or the
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  Speaker 1: potential bad. So while you're talking about, you know, upping
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  Speaker 1: your carbs, right, there are some people who and I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's respectfully totally understand carbs are different. Carbs can
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  Speaker 1: be high or low glycemic index. They can be absorbed
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  Speaker 1: more quickly or more slowly in the blood and affect
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  Speaker 1: blood sugar in the blood quicker. And even though oats
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  Speaker 1: are carbohydrates, so is apple juice, you know, so are
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  Speaker 1: lollies or they contain a lot of carbohydrates slash sugar.
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  Speaker 1: So as does basmati rice which is forty GI versus
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  Speaker 1: normal white rice which is eighty to ninety GI like,
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  Speaker 1: and even a ripe banana like the same thing changes
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  Speaker 1: GI over time glycemic index. I'm talking about everyone. Where
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a ripe banana, sorry, not a ripe a what's the
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: opposite of unripe, unripened banana, like one of those green fuckers.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: They're like a GI of twenty or thirty. But when
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: they're super ripe and going a bit brown, the GI
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: is about eighty Because the volume of the banana, the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: water in the banana kind of dehydrates. The weight and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: size of the banana comes down, but the sugar content remains,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: so the GI goes up. Blah blah blah. So it
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: just when we go carbs, people go carbs bad or
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: carbs good. Well, carbs is a big conversation right when
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: you talk about carbs, increasing carbs specifically, what are you increasing?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm increasing rice? Potatoes?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: What kind of rice? What kind of rice?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I ate? Brown rice, brown rice, eat keen one, lentils, chickpeas,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: some sour dough like, well, these are all things that
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I just didn't eat a lot of. I ate a
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: lot of veggies, but they're cruciferous vegetables in there. I
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: wasn't eating a lot of a lot of potatoes and things.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I was eating a lot of cookies. Is plenty of
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: carbs there. So I never avoided carbs. And what's interesting
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: is years and years ago I went to a seminar
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: on and there was someone speaking on the low carb,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: high fat diet, and I remember I was back boxing
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: at the time. I remember leaving that seminar and going
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that showed some really compelling stuff and I like what
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: it seems to do for health, but as a boxer,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I couldn't. That is bad for me. I need that injury.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So I'm saying that, And at the same time, unbeknowns
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to me, because I have never tracked macros, I simply
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: wasn't eating enough carbs consistently, not for how much I
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: was training, And I think that's gone on all my
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: life or for it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So interesting are the eyes around carbs and protein and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: it's so misleading And anyway, another conversation. So, Bobby, we're
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: talking about tracking all our data and our sleep and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: our food and our body comp and our blood sugar,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and we know that the benefits. Is there a downside
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to doing any of that? Do you reckon?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I think anytime you have a toil or as a
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: face where there are a market upside and benefits which
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: you know arguably there are several, being more aware of
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: what you're doing in and of itself is an enormous
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: value for behavior change, but there are also going to
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: be potential limitations or liabilities.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: One that pops into my head is the research conducted
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: by Ibrahim Sene at the University of Illinois and his colleagues.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: It's fascinating. I think Tiff and I have talked about
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: it from a different perspective with affirmations. So where people
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: were primed with, you know, I will, I will do
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: this around originally around enneagrams, and then that became a
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: little bit more expansive how they utilized that declative declarative
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: language versus will I, more interrogative language, and what they
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: found was the performance and the outcomes for the will
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I people were greater than the I will And you
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: would expect like stating something in affirmative through a strong
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: declaration would produce the greater outcomes, and it didn't, like
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: in multiple different forms of this study, so that was duplicated,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: and I think one of the things that happens especially
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: you got to take a look at two things. What
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: is my level of regulation versus disregulation and where am
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I within a process of behavior change? So let's take
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: a look at disregulation, because right now there's a greater
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: number of people who are in danger of burnout or
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: they're currently experiencing burnout. And if I'm completely disregulated and
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I have this declarative task, like I will start.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: To monitor this.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to monitor that. You know, I'm gonna eat
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: this and not eat that. I'm gonna get up and
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: go for this run. You know, I'm gonna, you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: take some type of drink. I'm gonna make sure it
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: has tumoric in it. And then I'm going to journal,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: do yoga and do an ice bath. All these things
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: start to become tasks. It's like, so and I might
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: be adding more cognitive load and putting myself into a
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: greater state of overwhelmed rather than just what are some
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: of the big boxes behaviorally that I could focus on?
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: So that's one potential liability and number two, what do
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I do with this information when I have it? So
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: it's like, holy shit, I haven't taken ten thousand steps today, right,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: So that's my arbitrary marker, and maybe I'm at five thousands.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: So I start going for more walks. I start going, ah,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: you know what, let me park a little bit further
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: because it's exciting once I'm habitually doing ten thousand steps
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: every day, what do I do with that information? What's
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: the next step in the process, because I might stop
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: utilizing that app and maybe experience a bit of recidivism,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: So that behavior has to be attached to something meaningful
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: and hopefully progressive. And then when you come into what
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: stage of change that you're in, I would imagine that
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: people who if you look at like, there are six
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: stages of change Quincho transfer model, and how you can
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: simplify that is the first stage is I won't or
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I can't. Right, I'm just not engaging either because I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: completely disinterested, can't be asked, or I have completely no
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: sense of self efficacy. I'm convinced it's not even worth trying.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: But then when you move into contemplation, it's kind of
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: like a you know, I might do this, and then
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: you get into preparation I will, and then I am right,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: you've been doing something for a bit. And then maintenance
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: is of course, I've been doing this for a while,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: and then termination is it's this isn't what I'm doing,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: this is who I'm being. I'm just this type of person.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I live my life like this. But If you're someone
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: who is at the fourth stage, I am well, then
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: your challenge and like optimizing physiology and taking a look
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: at some biometrics might be highly motivating, where in the
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: beginning it might be highly discouraging. If everything is a
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: pass or a fail, I didn't do this, so my
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: story about myself must be there in the early phases
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: of change. I think subjective measures around behaviors are a
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: lot better than let's say, objective measures around outcomes. So
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: if you're taking a look at how many steps am
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I taking, that's a behavior. Yes, I did this number
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: of steps, but there also has to be leeway between
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: that what am I actually doing versus what have I
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: not done? So it's all a matter of how you
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: engage with it. For me personally, all this stuff would
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: make engaging and well being practices for me just so
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: much less enticing and fulfilling. Like I'm always going to
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: go out and exercise a few times a week.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: If I had to.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Start tracking and optimizing, I might not be as motivated.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Eighty percent of the time. I'm going to make food
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: choices based on how I want to feel. If I
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: was if I was monitoring my blood sugar it would
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: become more additive and I would probably not make the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: same choice as I'm making dietarily in a constructive way.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: So I'm one of those types of people. I don't
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: want to optimize everything. I just have certain habits that
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I feel good engaging in.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: One of my challenges is because I can be Thank goodness,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't open the drugs or alcohol door, but I
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: can be quite obsessive and addictive, and so my challenge is, well,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: obviously I didn't do a good job when I was
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: younger because I was completely fucking obsessed and addicted to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like you were. Maybe I'm not sure, but training and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you know, there's pretty much nothing or nobody that would
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: get in the way of me getting to the gym.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It's like to the point where it was irrational at
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the time, it made sense in my warped brain, but
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: looking back, I'm like, fucking hell, I had a problem,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: and I feel for me And maybe you don't know
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: about ut if you'd have to tell us, But for me,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I've really had to always manage this space between being
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: disciplined and focused and being obsessed because they are about
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: fucking three millimeters apart for me. And then beyond that,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: being addicted to the point where I would get angry
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: if someone or something stopped me from doing or inhibited
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: me from doing the thing that I was addicted to doing,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: even though that response itself is completely fucking unhealthy. Yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I've always had to manage that. That where you know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I went through one of my many obsession slash addictions
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was despite my background in strength, was running and I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: spent there was probably a five year period where I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: ran every day of the year, three hundred and sixty
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: five days. And I remember coming to the States once
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and I figured out how I could not miss a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: day so still run within the twenty four hour period
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and I had to stop over at Lax and I'd ran.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Literally the last thing I did before I drove to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the airport was run, got in the car, went to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the airport, flew to Lax, got changed, went for a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: run around the airport so I could. I mean, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: was completely fucking ridiculous. But the thought of it, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: know this, this is a very unimpressive aspect of me,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: but you know, get in the queue. There's a few Yeah,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And it took me a it was literally like overcoming Well,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I've worked with addicts, and I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: think my addictions were not that far away, you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: not as destructive of course as many other things. But yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: what about you cook? Do you feel do you ever
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: strut all between that discipline, self control and being obsessed.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I remember back when I worked in hospitality years and
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: years ago, one of the regular customers dubbed my motto
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: if and this was this was food behavior everything. If
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a little bit's good, a lot must be better. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: he used to always say, tiff, if a little bit's good,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: not always is a lot must be better. Like chili
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: on every you know, like the amount of chili I'd
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: put on food is I would have tears, My eyes
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: would be bleeding from chili. But yeah, and I think
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: part of the problem is when I start something, there's
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: there has been with boxing, there's been an end goal.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: But some then I can move into an activity and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: we don't have an end goal or this picture of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the reason or the destination. We don't have a specific
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: dose to kind of measure by it. So it's yeah,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: up and run every single day. What are you running for?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, just because I'm running because that's what
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I do. Now what's the purpose? Do you to get faster?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Do you want to get further?
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Do you like?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: How old are you? How much you need to do this,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: how much energy do you have, how much time do
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: you have? What does the end result need to be?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And that would drive I'm doing that now. Like writing
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: a program for other people in my age bracket has
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: made me go, how many times a week should you train?
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And what should that training look like for you? And
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: what should your cardio look like? Now we have to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: review that and it's been really interesting.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I think the healthy kind of space in the middle
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of you know, trying to in the old days, people
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: were even me probably at times, like it's all about
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: fucking discipline, self control, willpower, fucking white knuckling. You can't
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: do that, right, you can't. Or it's about motivation, and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's sometimes it is, and it's definitely been
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of willpower, discipline, et cetera. All good, but you can't
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: rely on that state being in that state for the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: next forty years, right, So that's one end. The other
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: end is now I'm completely obsessed and I do it
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: all the time, but it doesn't actually produce a psychological
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: or emotional healthy outcome because I'm this crazy person who
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: is addicted to this behavior, which is that's not good either.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: But in the middle, I think is this space of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I have created healthy habits which are not obsessions. But
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the fact that it's a habit means I don't need
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to get pumped, excited, focused, determined every day because it's
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: kind of hardwired into who I am. You know. Now
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that's not always a perfect paradigm or operating system, but
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: for me, that thing where I go, well, these are
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: my habits. This is what I do every day. You know.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I go to the gym every day. If I can't go,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that's fine. If I can go, I will go. Do
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I need to sit at home and get focused and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: motivated before I get in the car? I do not.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Do I walk out of the gym feeling like I've
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: just made a massive accomplishment. No, I don't. But it's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: just that, how do we build an operating system where
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: our behaviors are consistent and consistent with who and how
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: we want to be, but not in a way where
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: one we're obsisted or at the other end of the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: scale too, we have to be perpetually disciplined, which is
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: just inconsistent with being a human.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: When I listen to to Tiffany, like every time you
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: speak about how you engage with anything in life, I'm like, wow,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: we have so many similar behaviors. Like the way tiff
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: engages with the world, it's kind of like the way
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I engage with the world. A lot of times. For me,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: it's not a matter of getting myself to do something,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: it's how do I not become so pathologically obsessed with
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: something that I can't stop myself from doing it. I mean,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: hence all of my physical issues and my severe osteouthritis
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: in most of my joints at this point. So there's
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: definitely a cost to that, especially when a lot of
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: your quote unquote behaviors are behavioral in nature, and on
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: the surface they're socially acceptable, even socially encouraged. That's kind
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: of a little bit different. But I think you hit
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the nail on the head. You're not going to be
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: any one state. I think motivation as a reason for
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: doing something or behaving in some ways critically important. Why
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: would I dedicate a decade or the rest of my
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: life to doing something with no reason for doing it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: But if you're going to do something sustainably, you have
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: to set the structures and the systems and the environment
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: that facilitates that behavior, because everything else will fail. You're
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: not I mean, when you're low in blood sugar, you're
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: not going to be nearly as disciplined as you are
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: when you're not. And that's a physiological thing, that's not
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: a character thing. So at the end of the day,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: what can.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: You rely on? You can rely on how.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: You set up your environment. So I open my fridge
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: or my my freezer and I'm looking for that hogined us.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: But all I have and there's vegetables, Well, can I
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: still get hogined us? Yeah, but that's gonna be a
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: lot more deliberate, intentional steps in that process in order
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: to get it. If I have certain structures and rituals
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: in my life, they just set me up. They set
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: up my day, and they structure and guide me through
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: my day in a way that supports certain outcomes and states.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: And who do I believe I am or who do
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I believe I'm not? My identity is pretty critical. So
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I think those three things, over time do more to
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: drive your behaviors than anything you tell yourself a story
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: about or anything that you're emotively experiencing in the moment.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: To if you ugan to say.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Something, yeah, I was just say I'm thinking about how
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: luck that the tracking and measuring pace. I think if
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: we have a timeline on that, look, we make a
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: decision to do this, I'm going to walk ten thousand
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: steps a day. But what we normally do is do that,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: and then in thirty days we're like, oh, yeah, great,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that worked. I'll keep doing that, and then I'll do something,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: and then we have this layer upon layer upon layer
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of things that are obsessively in our consciousness that we're
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: tracking and thinking about instead of going I'm going to
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: track my sleep on my watch for the next thirty
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: days and I'll have a look at it, and then
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to track, and I'm going to hold
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that and I'm going to try and maintain the behaviors,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and maybe in three months I'll put the watch back
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: on for sleep and I'll see how where I've landed.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And then we're not holding onto the tracking and thinking,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: and they're like cognitive land mines. I reckon because then
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: sometimes like I'll get invited to something like this Friday,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: We're going to see a gig and I go, oh,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: eight pm start, and it's like, that's not a beautiful
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: vantage point to view your excellent social life of seeing
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: a gig that you love is going Oh but me
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: sleep mean what?
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Time.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I think all these things are tools, not solutions, like
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you're the solution, like, because ultimately change, growth, improvement, learning
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: comes down to behavior and the thing can't behave the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: things just a tool that you use around your behavior
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that tracks your behavior or your outcomes or your physiological
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: output or whatever. But it's yeah, I think it's even
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the relationship that we have with those things. You know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: where we you know, where we go. Oh my god,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I left home without my whatever. I've got to go back.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I can't leave home without my fucking step count. I've
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: got to you know. And it's like and yeah, yeah,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: The Times's kind of the analogy for me is health
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: is like oxygen.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It's a good thing, it's critical.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: You can't live without it, but it's not the purpose
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: of my entire existence. Were just talking about, you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: optimizing sleep versus I remember I made that decision where
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I had a chance to go see Leonard Cone and
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: concert love Leonard Cone. I was like, nah, I've got
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: to be up early for work. I've got to get
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: a good night's sleep. And my friend Joe, she was like,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: are you serious right now? I was like, yeah, that
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: would be irresponsible for my clients. And he passed away
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: a short time after that. I was like, okay, wow,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: like twenty years from now, I'm not even going to
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: remember what day that was that I went to work
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: or what happened. But I definitely would have remembered being
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: at a Leonard Code concert right before he died. So
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: it's like, really, what do you want out of life
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: and just making those decisions? Now, if you've see in
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: a concert every night, that's a problem. But like it's
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: just like.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Here's my version of that. It's fi less glamorous. So
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I was living in Western Australia place called Bunbury, which
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: is south of Perth. I was nineteen years old. I
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: was working on a construction site called Worsley Aluminium Refinery.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I was working in a gym called New Image Health
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Studios and I was bouncing in a pub three nights
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a week. Anyway. I was out one night, which I
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: never really went out, but I was out with some boys.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: We're just hanging out drinking beers. I don't drink beers,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: so I was drinking fucking mortar or whatever. I was
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: drinking diet coke if it was around then. And we
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: ended up talking to these There was four of us,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: four girls. They're all very nice ladies, and they say,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: why don't you guys come back to our place? And
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the other three guys are like fucking spinning their wheels
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: getting out of their chairs right, They're like fucking running
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: out the front door. So mister fucked in the head
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: looks at his watch and I go, ah, it's ten o'clock.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to train at five. I go and they're
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: like what. I go, yeah, I've got to And all
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of my mates are like, what the fuck are you saying?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I liked yeah, sorry, I got it. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: need I've already. It's too late, already, I can't go
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: back to you. Yeah, So Captain Excitement went home I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: can have a little sleepy poop, and the other three
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: went back. I'm not suggesting anything would have happened everyone.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about and I know you you're all thinking, Craig,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you made the right decision.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Especiale could have been three kids.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: You could have went back to missus Harper's house that night.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, well we'll not.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: But I need to google this. Carry on, I need
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: to google something.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: At least my squats were good the next morning, you know.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Because you think about the hierarchy of you know, like
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: human needs and loneliness is social life is number one.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't ever get like nothing goes through that lens,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: does it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, and I'm not saying this is I'm not proud
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of that. Like I was. Nothing would get in the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: way of training, nothing would get in the way of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: what I needed to eat, Like I was just an
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: obsessed bodybuilder in life.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: You know what, though, like not to be contrariant, but
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I think when, especially when, that does a lot for
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: your mental stability and well being to be that structured
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: and that regimented and care that much about something going
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: back to someone's house with a couple of girls versus no,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: this is who I am, and I'm waking up to it.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Like sometimes I I think that is the better choice.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Like as you were saying that, I remembered how many
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: times I went home when I had a chance to
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: hang out, and there were a lot of people there
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: and I might have had a lot of fun, and
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think I went out. I went home because,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: oh my training. That was just my excuse. I went
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: home because there was girls there and I was afraid.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: So I was like, Okay, I don't know, I don't
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: know anything about girls training. I feel comfortable there. I'll
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: go to the gym. But it's kind of like I
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: feel sometimes that structure helps. And by the way, diet
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: coke came out in nineteen eighty two. I just had
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: to look that up. I thought I thought it came
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: out out in like the nineteen fifties. I was like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: what is he going on about. I don't know if
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: dia coke was invented, but yeah, just right around World
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: War two, right before the war started, we were hanging
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: out on the construction site.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Well this no, But ironically or interestingly, the year I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: was there was nine to eighty two. I was nineteen.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I was born in sixty three, so.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: You might have been high a day at coke.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you another weird story. This has got
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the show. This is no self
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: help value whatsoever. This is going to help nobody in
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the world anyway. One other night, I was at the
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: same pub and there was you know, a few girls
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: around straight one eighty harps drink and his diet coke apparently,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and this young lady who's quite attractive, ends up sitting
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: on my knee and just at a table. It's like
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: there's people everywhere. Nothing was happed. She's just sitting on
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: my knee and had her arm around my neck and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: we're all just everyone was talking. I'm nine en years old.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking a bit special needs in the relationship department,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you know. I'm like just anyway, there was lady sitting
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: across from her, who was also attractive, but older, and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: she introduces me to the lady sitting opposite and whatever
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: her name is Donner. She goes, this is my Donna.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: This is Donna, my mother in law. And I'm like, oh, hi,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: how are you and she goes, yeah, good. And then
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, like I said, not super sharp. I'm like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: mother in law, mother in law. I go, she's your
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: mother in law. I go, you have a husband. She's like, yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: we have an understanding. I'm like fuck, and I don't
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: get off. I was not a word of a lie.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what who lives like that? Who does that?
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: So she went out sitting on Bloke's knees or my
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: knee and Bobby boo, that's what makes the world go around.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: And I left fucking burn together. And you decided not
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: to become a private investigator.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, shut up, shut up, stop making fun of me.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Well tell me one. Let's finish with this one thing
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that you've changed your mind about or done a one
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: ady on in terms of personally, not just general thinking
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: about something, but that you've stopped doing and started doing
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: something different, Like a thing you used to think that
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: you don't think anymore. That's led to some kind of
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: significant behavioral lifestyle whatever, nutritional training, but some kind of
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: decision or behavior that you've done a one ady on
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: pretty much for you.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Tiff, every almost everything about both how I train and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: how I eat now like and that's just still an
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: ever evolving process, but huge one eighties.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And so give us a snapshot of how you used
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to train versus now.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Well back obviously years ago boxing like crazy person box,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: lots of high intensity boxing, but every thing outside of
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: that I did was high intensity and explosive. I loved it,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: felt great, you know, like box jumps, plier metrics, anything
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: explosive where I was pushing to one hundred percent. There
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: was an aversion of training that I did it a
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: nice conversational, steady state, which is now part of my
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: plan with doing some cardio training is sitting in that moderate,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: easy space. And when I was doing it the other day,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: sitting on a piece of equipment just between clients, I
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: was like wow, Wow, Like I had to be conscious
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: of not pushing because my mind was like, well, if
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: we're doing this, it's not doing anything unless we're pushing
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: ourselves to let's.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Do some intervals while we're on here.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Fuck it. Yeah, So that's a big one for me,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: and I guess maybe also my relationship with food. You know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: there's still has been a very much a relationship between
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: moving and eating, and if you're eating, you've got to
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: be moving, you know, Like there's that tool with that,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: you know. So I just had a dload work out
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: of rest week where I did very little training, and
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: when I did train, it was fifty percent of volume
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: and weights that I would normally use just to recover.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: But I kept eating like I would eat every other day,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and I was like, this is I mean, this is
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: one week so for the body to refuel and recover.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: So normally I would think there would be something in
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: my mind going, we're not training, so you're better, you know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: like like everyone does. We're not training, so you be
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: not eat much and judging It was like, this is
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: one week, mate, give your body some for fuel.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: What about you, Kapuch, Well, there's a lot of examples here,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: but I think what I'm noticing is I'm going back
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: to a selective philosophical practice and being a little bit rigid.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: So going back when I was younger, I feel like
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I was hard to be around for a lot of reasons,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: and a lot of that was like I was a
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: walking self help book. Everything for me was about thinking optimistically, right,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: thinking wrong, thinking, the winners in the world versus the
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: losers of the world, and like like what we would
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: call signal versus noise. I had very little patience for
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: the noise. But what I didn't realize is a lot
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: of that noise really does facilitate the power of the signal. Anyway,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: So what I started looking at or my colleagues around me,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and not my immediate colleagues because they were amazing, but
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: my colleagues a couple of degrees of separation from me
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: that were kind of harsh with people, and I was
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I got into a couple of conversations with my clients
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: set me straight, and it created this openness where I
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: think meeting Paul Taylor was kind of one of the
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: influences that pushed me over to this where it's like, dude,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: you don't know a single thing about human behavior, why
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: people do what they do, chill out with people. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: then it became well, I'm not going to believe in
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: something unless I have sufficient empirical evidence to embrace this.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: And now in my old age, I'm going, yeah, you
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: know what, when you have certain practices and when you
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: were really hard to be around, like Boydy used to
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: tell me, dude, you got to get better socially. It's
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: not enough to be really good at your job, because
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: these students, like they come up to you in the restaurant,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: in the bar, and they saw you on stage, they
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: want to meet you, they want to get to know you,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: and you freak people out because you have zero social
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: skills whatsoever.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: You're awkward.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: It's like, you got to get better at that. And
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, ah, yeah, I kind of do. And
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I was on a couple of tours where I was
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: not the social and you kind of needed to be.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: And I became so open around why people do what
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: it is that they do. And I think in trying
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: to be open and compassionate and lead with empathy, I
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: forgot that sometimes rigidity as long as you are aware
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: it's rigidity, and you acknowledge that, and you don't close
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: yourself off to ideas on other people, but you hold
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: a certain certain set of rules for yourself more tightly.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I love to living like that.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: That was give me another give me another word, give
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: me another word for rigidity that sounds less negative I feel.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I feel I was highly structured, but not just in
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: my behaviors and practices, within my philosophies and my beliefs,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: and there wasn't much wiggle room outside of that. And
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't like how that touched other people. So I
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: feel at this stage right now, I find myself elf
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: working to hold that level of awkwardness for others, but
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: get back into that structured philosophy and way of being
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: in the world for me just a little, because I
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: don't think that can flex with being a free spirit.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Or freedom. I think that's mutually reinforcing. I think that
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: structure facilitates that a little bit.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks. That's been what's shifted for me. Yeah, it takes
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: so much courage to articulate that, but it also takes
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: so much courage to own up to the shit that
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you naturally do that doesn't work or the way you
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: nat you know, like where you go and it's not
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: self loathing, its awareness again, but we go this is
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: how I typically am around other people, for example. It
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't work like that takes courage because you want to
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: be right. We want to be right. It's like a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: human desire. We don't want to be wrong. Nobody wants
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: to be wrong. Everybody wants to be right. Wanting to
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: be right, but also capable of being wrong and being
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: okay with it and being able to acknowledge it and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: just see it as a thing that you can get
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: better at or change. Is that's I mean, that's almost
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: at the top of the list of real personal growth,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: human behavior, self how whatever we want to call it.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, if you are not willing in this journey
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: of personal growth and self development or whatever, if you're
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: not willing to go, these are the things that I
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: believe or have believed that are wrong wrong, or these
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: are the things that actually do me a disservice, not
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: a favor, or these are the things, these are my limitations.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I don't hate myself because of it. There is no
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: self loathing. I'm just acknowledging it and I'm going to
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: work on it. I think that's the because actually changing
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: yourself is not some mystical, magical, beautiful, enjoyable, fun fucking process.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: It's a cunt. It's like it's I'm going to get
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a T shirt. Self help is a cunt. Like the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: business is great, but the actual process of change. People
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: who go, people who don't tell you that it's actually
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: a motherfucker, they're just lying to you because the majority
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: of it, it just sucks the fatty you know, and
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: then you know, but it gets easier and you get better,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and then the thing that sucked it doesn't suck eventually.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Oh so many things.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: And then there's that realization of what's right for you,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: because I understand that the conclusions I arrive at might
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: not be right fundamentally across the board or for a
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: lot of people, but what is right for me? And
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I think to borrow from a Star Wars analogy with
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Anakin Skywalker. Sometimes you gotta have to go all the
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: way over to that dark side to find out your
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: power when you're try really balanced.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Well, ironically, things come to light often in the darkness,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: So I don't think the darkness is always the enemy's.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: If you're going to say something.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was now, but I want
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: to know what your latest thing is. What have you changed,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: what do you believe? Oh?
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: What have I changed?
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I guess if we look historically, the need to lift
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: heavy all the time, but obviously I changed that quite
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: a while ago, Like I wouldn't like I didn't have
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: easy workouts, I didn't have light days. I didn't really
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: periodize my training, and that was all about my bullshit.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: That was nothing to do with logic or science. Yeah,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: and I guess, like I've never I used to run
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: all the time. So the idea of going for a walk.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I can't even say what I thought about walkers because
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: it's terribly insulting, right, Like, fucking walkers, What are you ninety?
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: If you're ninety, okay, but if you're going from a
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: walk and you're younger than ninety What the fuck are
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: you doing? That's what I used to think. Now I
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: fucking walk all the time, So I've certainly changed my
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: practice and my thinking around that. But for me, like
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the walking, just getting the steps done every day is good,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: But the greater benefit for me is my mind. Because
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just out doing, I'm either listening to nothing or
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: listening to something I enjoy, and I don't give myself
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: that space when I'm in inverted commas at work, which
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: is home, home is work, work is home, or as
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: in I've had my office from home. But yeah, and
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I completely got walking wrong. I completely because I was
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: looking through a certain lens. And then now that I
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: do that, I like, after I had coffee this morning,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I walked seven k's, so I've done my ten thousand,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: give or take, you know, but there was nothing in.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: It sharper like I find it makes such a difference
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: for my mood and my cognition when I'm out in
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: the world moving.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Bro. And also I try not to,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: but every now and then I have meetings when I'm
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: out walking, I crush. I crush those meetings so fucking good.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Because I'm out my mind's clear, I'm not glimpsing or
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: glancing at other shit. Nothing else is taking my focus. Yeah,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: and I try not to. Yeah, because I live on
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: a main street, I always head kind of back inland,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: so I'm just walking through quiet streets. Yeah. Anyway, we
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: got to do.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Like a walking podcast, the three of us just just
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: walking about.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Imagine if we did a walking workshop and we met
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: at the beach near my joint. You'll have to wait
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: till you're over again, and we just went for a
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: ten k walk and while we were walking, we're all
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: just sharing and reflecting and a bit of teaching, bit
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: of coaching.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: So that would be amazing. And I thought I was
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: going to get one of those workshops every week. I
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: was just going to take you out for a walk
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: every once in a while and just let you gotta
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: get like a free walking workshop, Craig might cost you,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: might cost you.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: A bit to uh to fly out here each wake.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: No, I was talking about when I thought I was
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: going to be out there for like two to four years.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right right, Yeah, that whole thing I just
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: want to say before we go, Like the Anakin analogy,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: like that was just an analogy. I think Anakin took
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: it too far, you know, with the choking and the
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: thing that happened with the younglings and taking that job
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: working for that complete asshole Palpatine. I just want to say,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: it's just, it was just.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: You have an amazing gift for pulling defeat out of
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the jewels of victory, don't you, Hey a tuck, And
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: now you were going so good to then so good.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, how to lose to go to
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: the art side, Like that's going very very dark.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: That's that's an extreme dark side. Now, I feel like
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Star Wars is not a female dominant audience. I could
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: be wrong in that, but we have a female dominant audience.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: So maybe if now I get in trouble, I don't know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: let me know. Let me know on the Facebook page.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And women in.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Geeks like me. On your show, what are geeks talk about?
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: We talk about Star Wars and Comic Box and being
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: scared of going out with girls when we were younger,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: so we had to make excuses that we had to
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: be up at the gym. So that's what you get, like,
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: you got nobody to blame it yourself. Ops.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Hence sports you'll be known as Sheldon and Tiff can
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: be Penny Penny all right? Everyone? Thanks, thanks Bubby, thanks,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: thank you, thanks,